The Young Turks - TYT Hour 1 - November 8th, 2019

Episode Date: November 9, 2019

Reports suggest billionaire mayor, Michael Bloomberg, is preparing to enter the 2020 presidential race. Cenk Uygur, John Iadarola, and Maz Jobrani, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Okay. We fete. Good to be back. Uno mas. One more. Okay, so we got a great show ahead for you guys. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. That's coming up.

Fun for everybody. Okay, second hour, we got another fun special guest for you guys, Cal Penn. He's gonna host a show with us in the second hour. I'm also gonna talk to him in the conversation. We don't normally have the conversation, that's our interview show that we do as part of the third hour of The Young Turks. We don't normally do it on Friday, but we will today. And that'll be with Cal Penn as well.

So obviously he'll host a show and then we'll have a conversation with him about his career and his new show. Okay, and don't forget, I started telling you guys about this yesterday, massive announcement sometime next week. Massive, okay? The return of the common rule. So so far everybody I've told, I say that and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I tell What it is, they're like, all right, so that's next week.

Don't miss the shows next week, obviously. Are you gonna announce that you were on the phone call too? With the Ukrainians? I'm not saying anything. I can say it for next week. First-hand knowledge. Could you imagine? Turns out, I've been in the White House the whole time.

He's the whistleblower. He's the whistleblower. The call is coming from inside the house. Red dots appear on his shirt. Yeah, actually we have a story about anonymous today. And it's a hell of a story. Okay, so that's the person who wrote the New York Times op-ed and has a book coming out. All right, so let's do it, let's get to it. Bloomberg, go.

Okay, this has been a big week for the point 0.0001% of you have been saying, I want more billionaires in this Democratic primary because we might have one. On Thursday, the New York Times first reported that Michael Bloomberg is flirting with the idea of a presidential bid again, noting he has dispatched staffers to gather signatures in Alabama, a state with an early filing deadline and calling up prominent Democrats, including, by the way, Harry Reid, who's apparently still very important. Is that clear whether he's again threatening to run or if this time around he'll really go through with it?

But we, I think it's safe to say that pretty much everyone is assuming that this is a serious move that he's making. Yeah, it looks like it. And he's got to decide in a couple of days because there's more filing deadlines next week. So are you in or are you out? He's been doing this for a long, long time. When I, the news broke in the middle of the show yesterday, it was confusing. It was like, because, you know, we're doing the show and during the commercial break,

I get a thing says Bloomberg files in Alabama, I'm like, he's running against Pete Sessions? So, because Pete Sessions obviously announced yesterday that he's running for the Alabama seat. So I knew that wasn't the thing, but what I was mainly worried about, guys, is the most important part of this story is I immediately scoured through this, the story to see is he running as a Democrat or is he running as an independent? Because that's all the difference in the world. So he is running as a Democrat in the Democratic primary, at least for now, okay.

He says supposedly that he will not run as an independent. Yeah, I need that to be nailed down with a billion percent certainty. So if you're gonna run the Democratic Party, the one thing that everybody should pledge, and so they ask the progress this all the time when it's never been an issue. But I'm much more concerned about the Bloomberg's of the world. You will not run as an independent. If he's, if that's a hundred percent certainty, then the water's warm, come on in, Mike. It's gonna be great.

Look, I think the Democratic primary voters are clamoring for a billionaire to save the day. I'm sure of it. Well, especially if it's a billionaire who's also generally out of line with Democrats in issues like bank regulations, stop in frisk policing, and the Me Too movement. He has criticized it in the past. He's singled out Elizabeth Warren on her push to break up big banks. And generally when it comes to that area and that industry, he's going to have positions that are unlike many voters, I would assume.

I wish more billionaires would do like Richard Branson and just go parasailing with presidents as opposed to running for president. You know, I guess when you got this much money and you're 77 and you're bored, rather than starting a ban, you just run for president. Yeah. Although that would have been equally, well, we're actually more shocking, been fun, though, if you started a band, that I would listen to. That's what I'm talking about, right?

The Bloomberg 5. Yeah. I saw a tweet that just said, Mike, just buy Fox News. Like, yeah, why not? Well, I mean, there's a million other things you could do that would actually benefit the world, but why this is so. I mean, I guess they say, what was the tagline for the social network? It's like you can't get to a billion friends without making some enemies.

We can't get to $53 billion without losing complete touch with reality. Like to think, I'm looking out across the American thinking, I'm the one that they want. Well, you know, in the article that talked about how he felt that, you know, Biden's going to be the centrist guy, and now that he feels that Biden's not doing that, I'm going to come in and be the centrist guy. This makes me question why so many people are so afraid of the progressive side. Like, why are, it seems like people that should be happy with getting health care and free college education are convinced to vote against themselves and get pulled back towards

the center more. Whereas I think like let's go long, let's go for it. Let's push the, let's push ourselves into the more progressive side and unfortunately you get more guys like this or like, no, no, let's come back in the middle, but let's go. If we're gonna lose, which hopefully we won't, but if we're gonna lose, let's lose big as opposed to losing in the middle. Well, so I wanna touch on something that you both said.

First of all, why don't I mind Bloomberg being in the race? To the point that John made, I'll add one more thing that he's conservative about. He's very open to charter schools. So like anyone who thinks Mike Bloomberg has a real chance of winning the Democratic primary, honestly doesn't know anything about politics. And so you say, oh, Jake, that's not fair. You have to keep an open mind and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and he has billions of dollars, but la-l-l-l-l-l-l-l.

Totally utterly irrelevant. No way these primary voters are voting for a guy. who targeted blacks and Latinos with stop and frisk, and who is a giant, not just that he's a billionaire, I don't care that he's a billionaire, I don't know that others do, maybe they do, I don't care that he's a billionaire, I think he could be a wonderful guy and be a billionaire, but that defends Wall Street with like a frenzied passion, like, oh, we don't need to regulate Wall Street. Now remember, he made all of his money by selling the Bloomberg terminals to Wall Street. Okay, so he is Wall Street through and through.

So that is never, ever, ever going to win on the Democratic primary side in this cycle. Like that you have to be, you have to know nothing about politics to think that. Yet most of the major media, I mean, they are taking him so seriously. They're like, oh my God, this is a formidable entry to the race. If he does, formidable with who? Why don't we show that, actually? Because the thing is, it's not like he actually went around the country talking to activists and regular voters, let alone progressives to find out if they'd like him.

He talks to a limited number of people, the power brokers in the party, people in media. And what do you know? Some of those people actually like him. And so take a look at a little bit of what Chuck Todd had to say yesterday after the announcement, or at least the leak came out. Guns and climate. Who's to his left? Well, Beto was to his left on guns, but he's not going to be a factor any longer. Right? I mean, so. Also the governor of, of, uh, you can make an argument. Lutberg has embraced the green new. I don't think he's embraced that. I agree. That's one area where he actually is more to the center than she is. In the smoke-filled room, you'd say, on paper, Bloomberg has the right balance of what you

want to win a broad election, maybe not a deep election, but if you're trying to win the ex-suburban Republican, which, by the way, Michael Bloomberg's an ex-suburban, arguably an ex-urban Republican, and at the same time, you care about these core progressive issues like guns and climate, it ain't just somebody buying an election. Oh, that's such a bad take in so many ways. But listen, guys, I was just in New York, and I was at a conference that had both bankers and media figures. We talked about on the post here yesterday, t.com slash join to get the fuller conversation.

But I'm gonna tell you, they live in a billion percent different bubble than the rest of us. I mean, and the bubbles think, everyone in the room's like, oh, yeah, Biden, he got this thing nailed. I mean, a little worried about Warren. And Warren, she would destroy capitalism. She would immediately destroy their economy. Oh my God, hey, we're on fire.

And they think, well, and she would obviously lose, obviously lose. We would all vote against her. She would obviously lose. You guys are 1% or 1% or 1%. You don't know anything. You don't know anything about the rest of the country. They're talking about, like, I said to one guy, wages have been stagnant for 40 years. He says, so what?

Look, even if you don't care policy-wise, in terms of politics, that's 99.9% of the vote. voters, they care. That's the answer, they care. So a guy who is so out of touch with the person, and look, but so why I'm telling you that is not just because I'm, I guarantee you, I mean, I would bet any amount of money and give almost any odds that Mike Bloomberg has, will not win this Democratic primary. But I'm telling you that because Chuck Todd lives in that bubble, and it's a weird, ironic way of almost offending him.

in that bubble, all they ever hear every day, 24-7 by everyone around them, by 99% of the people around them are like, oh, no, no, Warren and Sanders can't possibly go. And if people don't like populism. Trump just won, he just won in 2016, and they're still all going around like, oh, we hate populism, right? Everybody hates populism. No, populism isn't going to work. You need a really establishment candidate who loves billionaires.

Well, that was Hillary Clinton, she lost to Donald Trump. But nope, nope, nope, that facts cannot penetrate that bubble. So everyone on TV thinks, oh, Bloomberg, Bloomberg, oh hey, could be Bloomberg, it could be Bloomberg. You guys are nuts here, come on. Any person on cable news, name the price, name the odds, I'll take the bet. And also, it would be one thing if it was just Chuck Todd talking to his audience who he knows they're not composed of progressives and saying, I like him as a potential alternative

to Biden. He's got a bunch of money, I like that. It was the gaslighting that, no, the reason he'll win is because of core progressive values. Who's to the left? Who's to the left? He doesn't support the Green New Deal. Well, yeah, but other than that, on the climate, who's to the left? What are you talking about? That's where the party is at. That's where the left is at. They reformed all of what the Democratic party thinks about and is planning when it has to do with climate change around that policy. He completely rejects that. But no one's to his left on that topic.

Everybody is to his left on like four really significant topics. Like literally everyone, even the most conservative Democrat, is to the left. Joe Biden, it seems like a wild-eyed progressive compared to Bloomberg on Wall Street and on stop and frisk and criminal justice reform, right? And then on the issues he's supposed to be good at, hey, I don't begrudge him that. If he wants to help on gun control and on climate change, I'm super happy to take his help. But if he thinks being moderate on those positions is good enough to win a Democratic primary and have people support him for president, he's nuts.

and everybody who thinks that is nuts. But I wanna make one more point about what Maas said. Look, everyone in media drills into everybody's head that the establishment Democrats are more likely to win. It is the exact opposite of the truth. You just saw it with your own eyes. So don't, it's not where me versus the rest of the media combined. It's your own eyes, facts that you know to be true versus the rest of the media combined. Hillary Clinton did in fact lose.

I don't know if you guys know that. She's not president. She was an establishment Democrat. Biden is an establishment Democrat. Bloomberg is an establishment partly Democrat. So they're not more electable. So every time you say that, they're like, no, no, it's because of the weather and James Comey and the Russians, blah, blah, blah.

Otherwise, the establishment never, no, Bernie Sanders had a 12 point lead on election day, 12 point lead, I don't know if you know this, but they would have run a campaign against and they would have had negative ads. Oh, really, Mr. Sophisticated. I didn't know that. Yes, but a 12 point lead would have been a nice cushion, right, as opposed to what we had, which is someone who lost to Donald Trump. So I'm positive beyond anything I can describe to you that Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders

have a far, far better chance of winning than Joe Biden or preposterous Mike Bloomberg. Do you think they're going to rally the whole country because they're like, oh, no, guys. Okay, we now have a billionaire who's mainly right wing. So, hey, everybody go vote for lower wages. Yeah. That's not planet Earth. That's not this country. These analysts unfortunately know nothing. Yeah. But we want to be fair. And so when someone launches, we want to show you the side from those who support him. And it's been a little bit difficult to find supporters of his, but we showed you one. Chuck Todd seems excited about the prospect, whether he's going to endorse him or not, we did identify another supporter of the Bloomberg run.

This one even more supportive. But to explain that, we have to catch you up, and that involves launching into another episode of when rich men cry. I care. So that individual there is billionaire Leon Cooperman, who was brought to tears while doing the a media appearance after being asked about Donald Trump potentially being impeached, and they were also talking about a wealth tax. He just doesn't like it because he cares so much.

Turns out that while the week started off pretty bad for him, it got better once Bloomberg announced because he just said, I'm a huge fan of Michael, I know him personally, it's a breath of fresh air, unless he changes his stripes, he will have my unequivocal support. Oh, he's gonna rally all of the, what, 400 billionaires? 542 billionaires, like that are? Well, I mean, look, 542, that's not a bad number. I mean, there's 330 million people in the country, but it's a good start. So yes, I agree that if the election was held with only billionaires voting, Mike Bloomberg

might win, and by the way, in the past, that was basically what it was, because they would just give him all of the money, and in this case he doesn't even need. it and he would just buy the election. But it's modern politics. Over the last two years, we have shown you that doesn't work anymore. Over the last four years we've shown you, that doesn't work anymore. And where it works the least is in presidential elections, where there's a ton of free media. You can't buy your way out of free media.

So you go ahead and get all the billionaire voters you want, but nobody else is interested. In fact, just don't take my word for it, here's a one poll, it's a Fox News poll that was done. So they asked Democratic primary voters, by the way, the Fox News polls have been relatively accurate. That's why Donald Trump is losing his mind every time he shows that he's getting killed by every Democrat in the race. And Sean Hannity attacked the Fox News poll recently too. Yeah, that'd be like me attacking a TYT poll.

Yeah. It's so stupid. Anyway, 6% of Democratic primary voters said they would definitely support him, which I'm actually astonished at how high that is. I don't believe that number, but okay, it's a poll and I'm giving it to you. We'll get real polls in his second when he's, if he actually enters the race, because this was a theoretical, hypothetical poll of him entering the race when he actually does, and when he makes appearances, when he tells what he is.

But anyway, 6%. I don't know if you know this, but that's not a high number. How about the people who said they definitely would not vote for him? I mean, if Chuck Todd is right, was that 2%, 1%, 0%, because everybody's interested in Mike. Maybe 6%. Oh man, oh, then that would be, ooh, then he'd be just even, right? would never ever vote for. Six to 32.

I'm not great at math, but I can tell that that's not a good number for it. Didn't he run as a Republican once? Is he run already? Yeah, yeah, as a Republican mayor, not for president. Okay, okay, okay. But I mean, it just, it feels like he's so easy, it's so easy to target him. I mean, look at what Kamala Harris is going through right now because of some of the policies that she's supported.

Now, she's already, we've cut out the gate. People thought, oh, maybe she's the one, and now she's suffering. And so if he has on record, the stop and frisk, he's, he's, He's got the Me Too comments. I mean, there's so many things you can go after him for. And then in the debate with Trump, it just doesn't feel, because Trump is Teflon, right? So whatever he says, his supporters just follow whatever. You say the logic shows that this guy's done X, Y, and Z.

They go, well, whatever, he's doing it for the country, right? But it feels like somebody like Bloomberg in a one-on-one, to me would get his butt whooped. You know what I'm saying? It just feels so easy. Even though in the, I guess there was, I just, I heard him in the Democratic convention. National Convention, he said something along the lines of he was calling Trump a con man and people were cheering him on.

He's up, great speech, but go one on one, you're gonna get, you're gonna get whooped. So I just, again, it feels like you said, I hope he doesn't get, he doesn't take a look and go, okay, you know what, I gotta go independent, because then we're screwed. Yeah, and look guys, last things about that, because it's such, so many good points that Mon has just made. First of all, Kamala Harris got beat up in the Democratic primary because she went after truancy. That was I considered too tough on crime.

And I agree with that. But I mean, that's your standard. Stop and frisk is like a billion percent worse than what Kamala Harris did. He would get slaughtered in the debate. The only thing who likes his past on that is Pete Buttigieg. He's like, Sammy next to him. Focus on him for those topics. Yeah.

And so guys, I'm not against ex-Republicans, I'm an ex-Republican, right? But the dude was a Republican until Trump. So he's like, oh, Bush and Cheney, fantastic. He ran as a Republican, not like, hey, I kind of think like the Republicans from afar. He ran as a Republican and he's like, oh, Bush, Cheney, torture, the Iraq war. He was on for all that. God damn it, do you not follow politics at all? There's no way he could possibly win.

But to that point, I want to come back to the most important part of it. Look, the real threat here, guys, is not that Bloomberg is going to run in the Democratic primary. that he's gonna run a Democratic primary as a pretense to then later run as an independent. Well, you know, I ran as a Democrat, I gave it a fair chance, but you know, these Democrats, these, they're terrible and extreme. I had no choice but to protect my billions of dollars by running it as an independent and just taking, even if he could at most take two percent, right? At most in a general election that's different than a Democratic primary, right?

But even if he took half a percent, it might be enough to put Trump into office instead of Warner Sanders, and then he'll go, oh, golly gee, now he says, if you ask him, he says that we need to finish the job and ensure that Trump is defeated. He's an unprecedented threat to our nation. But Warren and Sanders are an unprecedented threat to his wallet. So he'll find, look, what I'm worried about is that guys like him will find any excuse to be like, well, I mean, I didn't want to do it. I read into Democratic primary, I didn't want to do it, but I mean, I had to.

Oh, God, gee, did I take one and a half points and that cost the Democrats' election and Trump is back to giving me trillions of dollars in tax cuts? Well, I guess that's what happened. Oh, silly me. So that's the real threat from Mike Bloomberg. And if he does that, he will be a villain for all time. I mean, there's no recovery from that if you try to aid and abet Donald Trump in an era like this. He's going to Jill Stein it.

Yeah, and by the way, he won't get any of the crap to Shiga. Yeah. Like when it was Jill Stein, they were like, oh, third party, you're going to be it's Bloomberg. Well, Bloomberg, the reasonable, moderate, maybe he could win, maybe he could win. I think that's a great point. I would love to see Hillary Clinton say that Michael Bloomberg is grooming himself to run as a third party candidate right now.

Yeah, that's a great question. Are the Republicans grooming him or the Russians grooming him? How come we're not having that conversation? So far as I know, he said he's not going to, I guess. I want to see great assurances. Because Hillary was attacking Tulsi Gabbard. Tulsi Gabbard said over and over and over again, she's never going to run as a third-party candidate. So here's how you can give an assurance.

My trust fund that I was going to give to X, Y, and Z. If I run as an independent, we'll now go to the young Turks. Okay, well, that would be a guarantee that you're not running as an independent. Okay? Let's see that happen. First break? Yes, all right, when we come back, the person inside of the White House that has wrote the devastating New York Times op-ed has a new book out. And boy, are there, you know,

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course of your lifetime. So search for UNFDR in your podcast app today and get ready to get informed, angered, and entertained all at the same time. All right, back on the Young Turks, let's go to the comments. Is that Blue I see, writes in, can't believe I get to watch the live show. Yeah, anybody can do that. It is, of course, every day 6 to 9 p.m. Eastern on t.com's lives live. The left first writes in, I only want more billionaires in the race if it means they break down in tears often. Hashtag I'm with Hannah.

A guy writes in, if Bloomberg wants to throw his money away, I'm willing to alleviate him of that affliction. That is mighty Christian of you. Wow. Really fat, Bloomberg, just like help Mitch McConnell get beat. Like, there's so many better ways to spend your money. There's almost every better way to spend your money. Although guys, I forgot to mention this in the story, keep in mind, this might actually help us.

I mean, if he takes a couple of points away during the primaries, it's gonna be from Biden. So be careful what you wish for, he just might get it, right? So Big Doc D. Nice says, first and foremost, thank you for. for the birthday wish to my wife, D. Nice. She really loved it. It made it seem like I have juice. That's funny. Jank, I often disagree with you, not funny or interesting. Okay? And, but the smile on my wife's face, as you wish her happy birthday, we will always be good. Thanks. All right, thank you guys. You're members, we love you. You make the show happen. One on Twitter. John, I'd do anything to get the literal shirt off your back.

Where can I find one? Hashtag the squad. So go to John's one shot here. So yes. This just came out on shop tyt.com, shop tyt.com. I realized I was wearing one earlier today. Dodged the bullet there. John and I always wear the same shirt on the same day. Anyway, so I changed in this one. But you know, if you switch to order, it spells Aria, okay, if you had Ilhan before Iyana. And it's not the way that Aria Stark spells their name, but they're all making a list.

If you switch it again, it can be RIA, which I think is a regulating body of the government. Okay, not as interesting, but okay, we'll take it under advisement. Possible sponsorship thing we can work on. Okay, all right, okay, anyway, shop dy.com. Oh, speaking of websites, if you want to see where Maas is going to be performing, which is all over the place, mazjabroni.com. Mazz jabrani.com, definitely check that out. And there it is, okay, and last one is their YouTube super chat, we always enjoy. where you use YouTube Superchat.

In fact, on Monday, we're gonna do a special post game where you guys can ask us anything if you're on YouTube super chat. So the way you do that is simply on YouTube.com slash TYT. It'll be in the 8 o'clock hour on Monday, this upcoming Monday, and go ahead, comments, questions on that. But for now, I'll take two right now. Peter Hamby says, so Bloomberg who has a lot of money wants to spend a lot of money to save a lot of money, sounds counterproductive to me, not another centrist.

Okay, alright, I hear you on that. And Louis Hentsoff says, Anna, I'm sure there's not a new suggestion, but it would be amazing if you were the guest, if you were a guest to the view and correct their co-hosts and all their misinformation, we need progressives to go on that show. So every once in a while we'll get suggestions like this. Some shows don't want us on. Yeah, it is what it is. And it's not like it's, sometimes it's spiteful, Billmore, okay.

And sometimes it's just, you know, they're like, oh, I don't know, it's an online show. No one in power has ever gone online, right? So that's just the reality of it. But thank you for the suggestion. All right, John. Agreed, okay, let's have a little bit of fun, sort of. The author of the anti-Trump insider account of the White House, the anonymous official, is now out with a book, a warning, and there's a lot in it that Donald Trump is not going

to like. So first of all, it is, as I said, anonymous. It was anonymous when it was an editorial. This person is not unmasking himself or herself now. But this person explains why, saying, I have decided to publish this anonymously because this debate is not about me. It is about us. It is about how we want the presidency to reflect our country, and that is where the discussion

should center. Some will call this cowardice. My feelings are not hurt by the accusation, nor am I unprepared to attach my name to criticism of President Trump. I may do so in due course. We have a lot of crazy stuff we're gonna launch into for just a minute. But do you think that it might have been more effective or more powerful if we knew who it was? I think perhaps the due course is right now when it would make a difference.

A year ago? Or, you know, like, I mean, like, we're literally in the middle of impeachment. I don't know if this person, like, as he's wobbly. Or she? No, no, I'm saying as Trump is wobbly. Oh, he, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that he or she who's anonymous, Kelly on Conway. Anyway, I don't know, I don't know.

Would deliver the knockout blow, okay? That's all fair. But if you wait till after Trump has gone and go, to-da, and do course, now I collected all the money, now I'd like to get credit for criticizing him, but I didn't do it publicly when it mattered. You will get no credit. In fact, you'll get the exact opposite. No, you did hide like a coward if you come out after Trump has already gone.

I just don't know how in this day and age, this person. I mean, it's one thing to be like, I'm going to write an op-ed piece and then go, okay, I'm not telling anything. Then to write a book, I'm like, how do you get, like, how does that even happen that we don't find out who it is in this day and age? Maybe like, you know, you've ever sent an email and one person that wasn't supposed to be on there was on there. You're like, oh, no, I got to pull it back or a text or something. I mean, there had to be, there's got to be, like, this person is either living in the most heightened level of security and paranoia you can imagine. or there's, I mean, it's, it's bound to come out. It's got to come out.

There's got to be, because if I tell you, they got to deliver the paperwork to somebody, right? You know, and you got to tell your publisher, so now you both know, and you might be at a dinner one time, a little, you know, boozed up, no offense. But then, you know, what I'm trying to say is, I can't, I don't know how they're getting away with a whole book out under Anonymous, because then what that's letting the White House do is this, what's her name, the press secretary? Terry, Stephanie, whatever. Christian. Christian is saying, oh, exactly, a coward, and this is all made up and you gotta get your fact check and blah, blah, but if we knew who it was, if it were Mattis or if it were Pence or who, I know, the joke being Melania, like you said, I mean, whoever it is,

then it's like, okay, now we're face to face and we gotta test their credibility. Well, I mean, I would have released my identity, but maybe they're worried that it'll affect the voting for dancing with the stars, I don't know, I'm not really sure. Anyway, I do want to say one last thing about that, guys. Look, if, how do you not know who it is if you're Trump? Because now, to your point, it's a book, right? It's not just one op-ed. So that person had to be in all of those different meetings, and you can't figure out who

it is. Wouldn't you have to read it though? Exactly. The person who wrote this book knows that Trump is so stupid, he still won't be able to figure it out. No, no, he won't. So let's figure out what can we learn from? this official.

He says the author describes Trump Corrini from one self-inflicted crisis to the next like a 12-year-old in an air traffic control tower, pushing the buttons of government indiscriminately indifferent to the planes skidding across the runway and the flights frantically diverting away from the airport, which corroborates what we've seen. But that was an inside view of him doing that, not understanding. And by the way, you can find out more by reading the book, but also even just from the descriptions goes more in a depth about the fact that he has no idea what different government officials, what job they have. So he tells the Secretary of Defense to do stuff that the Secretary of State

is supposed to do. For a lot of things, he just tells Jared Kushner to do it. He tells the AG to do things that the head of the FBI is supposed to do. He honestly doesn't know, and despite his assurances before his election, he refuses to learn. And that is why it's difficult for him to respond to crises, because he has no idea who he's supposed to actually coordinate with. So that's why you hear I'm in the Ukraine call in the semi-transcript that was released, saying, William Barr will reach out to you and Giuliani. Giuliani is your personal lawyer, what does he have to do with the government? And Barr is the attorney general, what the hell does he have to do with Ukraine?

No, if anybody were to reach out on official state business, it'd be the State Department. But he doesn't know anything. He's like, I don't know, I'm gonna pick random names out of Manhattan, they'll reach out to you. And Barr, when he saw that, he's like, what did you do? Why did you tell him I would reach out? Yeah. So, and now, you know, at least with that sentence, it's not anyone in the Trump family. But you know what they do?

Because that sentence was way too sophisticated for any Trump to write. You know what they do again is the support he gets. And he said this in the election, and I talked about this in my stand-up special where I said, it's the one place where you go, you want, I want an outsider, I'm an outsider, you want an outsider, you want an outsider, go in there and clean it up. But no, we don't want an outsider. We want somebody who does know how government works, you know what I'm saying? I mean, maybe some level of outsiderness, but to be this guy who has been living in,

the best example I can think of Trump is he's our Omar Gaddafi. He has lived in this world where he's just been having yes people around him forever. Momar Gaddafi got to the point where he had these, like, he'd be like, I want a hot woman guard with a bazooka guarding me. And he had all these women in like a gold airplane guarding him. That's what Trump has kind of grown up with from the time he had yes men his whole life. And now we're like, go to the White House and go run this country. And as you said, he's telling the guy who's like, you know, the Department of Agriculture

to go do the defense thing and my Giuliani's going to get in touch and my assistant will call you. He has no idea what he's doing and no, we don't want an outsider. We want somebody. You know how stressful it is because every day I wake up waiting for that headline to say he left. Just so I can breathe. Whether you like him or not, it's like we're walking on eggshells.

You know, I heard Mark Maren talk about this. He said, when Obama was in power, he goes, I didn't really like know what was going on, but I felt like it was in good hands. But now you feel like at any moment, anything could happen, and it is. And you see the inside this book telling you. And the problem is this book, when you read some of the stuff the guy's talking about, you go, yeah, this sounds like, yeah, this sounds about right. This sounds like, you're not doubting it.

You're not going like, no, he's making it up. Or I used to say, sorry, I'm ranting here a little bit. I'm getting inspired by you, Jay. No, when the thing happened, remember when the, in Hawaii, they said that there's bombs coming from Korea and they had the bomb threat and everyone was freaked out. And I thought to myself, I go, my God, we're living in this era right now where with this current president, I believe that North Korea was bombing us because he said something at some point. Yeah.

You know, you don't think you go, no, no, it's a false alarm. You go, it could be happening because this guy could have said something. So that's what you get when you get an outsider to go. go in and run do the most important job in the world. With an IQ, approximately 42. Yeah, the missiles are in the air and his response is, dear God, someone wake up Ben Carson. No, that's not, no, not a ham, you idiot. Anyway, okay, so in response to finding out, I believe this was in response to judges initially

striking down the Muslim ban that he tried to put into effect, he apparently was quoted as saying, can we just get rid of the judges? Let's get rid of the expletive judges. There shouldn't be any at all, really. There shouldn't be any judges at all, really. Okay, I mean, look, if you still support the guy, whatever, there's nothing I can do to help you and you don't understand America at all and you'd love to live in a tyrannical government. Yeah.

There's no judges, how do you have any law? He said he was a party of rule of law and law and order. How do you have law and order without any judges? He's a total unbelievable moron and a criminal. You know who doesn't like judges? Criminals. Yeah. So sort of related, it has to do as discrimination.

The author alleges that Trump attempted a Hispanic accent during an Oval Office meeting to complain about migrants crossing the US-Mexico border. Trump was quoted saying, quote, we get these women coming in with like seven children. They're saying, oh, please help, my husband left me, they're useless. They don't do anything for our country. At least if they came in with a husband, we could put him in the fields to pick corn or something. So was the Mexican, was the Spanish accent when he said, oh, please help me, my husband left me? Is that when he did a bad?

I'm assuming the whole thing, I don't know. So guys, look, the bad accent, to mom's his early point, no one's surprised. And that wouldn't even make news at all. Yeah, exactly. But they're useless. If you are a Latino mom, he finds you useless. The only way that he would find you useful is if he could use your husband to pick corn. Wow. Yes. Now, in terms of what might have happened to radically change the face of government,

the anonymous author provides two things that came close to happening, but didn't. One was senior Trump administration officials considered resigning in last year in a midnight self-massacre to sound a public alarm about President Trump's conduct, but rejected the idea because they believed it would further destabilize an artery already teetering government. Yeah, look, what you're supposed to do when you have a mentally unstable, an incompetent president. I don't mean incompetent overall. We've had unfortunately several incompetent presidents, including George W. Bush, who now is feeling

like he's on top of the world because he's cleared the lowest bar in history. But what you're supposed to do is when the president is mentally incompetent, incapable of holding the office and executing his duties. We have something in the Constitution for that. It's called the 25th Amendment. You convene the cabinet, and you say, yeah, the president is mentally damaged, so let's do something. You don't just, like there is, there's a method for this and you really should.

They should have done it from the get go when they all realize every one of them knows it. And now they're out of the administration and you see your Mattis, you hear his former chief of staff, John Kelly, talking about like, well, you know, John Kelly said, I'm worried that I shouldn't have resigned because I knew he'd get impeached if I resign. Why? Because he's obviously a criminal and somebody has to stop him from being a criminal and he's He's obviously mentally incompetent and everyone around him is a yes man. And so everybody knows this.

Everybody who works with Trump knows that you're all following a madman, okay? The only people who don't know are the idiots in the red hats. So the Republican Party knows it, they're just, they're worried about the guys in the red hats and they're worried about losing their own seats. But we all know he's a lunatic and an idiot and all these horrible things. But you know, but the comment about Latino women coming in, I just... Just as when you think you can't get any lower, you're useless, you're useless, and your husband could be useful if he was a servant of ours.

God damn it, and if you support him after hearing that, and then don't get surprised when we say you're racist, like, I can't believe you call me racist, I think the only thing that Latinos are good for is picking corn, otherwise they're useless. Okay, if that's not racist, what the hell is? So it's not just him, it's his supporters that are the problem, because they enjoy following this maniac. But also it goes deeper because it's not just him denigrating these people, it's the fact that we need immigrants in this country, and we're losing, because he keeps saying I want

the best and the brightest. As an Iranian American, I know for a fact, because of the travel ban, a lot of very smart Iranian students in Iran who've been accepted to top universities here have had their visas revoked and not been allowed to come here because he's playing politics. And the same thing goes for people that are trying to come here through asylum. We need those people. And instead of coming here, they're going to end up in Canada and Europe and other places. So even if you're defending him on the other side and go like, yeah, we want the best and the brightest

or they should come here and do some work and whatever, they do come here and do work. They do come here and add to the economy. We need them in the economy. This dude is crippling us in the future with what he does. And they keep going to things like his son saying things like, you know, well, you know, the economy's good and the numbers are better. And therefore, you know, I know he's got kind of a crude mouth sometimes. How far are we willing to go?

How far are you willing to give up your own integrity to say that the economy's good? Which, by the way, that's debatable as well. What caused the economy be as good as it is? Is it as good as it is? We're not sure. Are people getting the benefits that they were supposed to? We don't know. But how low are we willing to go?

How many people are we willing to put in cages? How many times are we willing to denigrate families that are trying to come here for a better life? Because you think that your stock prices are a little bit higher. By the way, you know, you say that about Iranian immigrants, and I guarantee you the MAGA guys watching are like, I don't care how smart they're. I'm glad they're not coming. They're from Iran. And then they don't get that that's a racist thing to say.

Yeah. Like they literally don't understand that. How could they help our economy? They're from Iran, man. Nobody from the Middle East is going to help our economy. Well, there was an immigrant who had a son here. He was from Syria. Ugh.

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just protect Donald Trump from consequences for his crimes. And he finally thought he got it with William Barr. You probably remember when the Mueller report was about to be released, Barr had his little press conference where he effectively lied about what was actually going to be inside of it, and that distracted the media for a couple of days. But there apparently was a line that Barr was not willing yet to cross unprotecting Trump when it came to Ukraine. We learned just about a day ago that President Trump asked that William Barr hold a news conference to declare that he had broken no laws in a telephone call with Ukraine's president that is now at the heart of the Democratic

impeachment inquiry, but Mr. Barr declined. And apparently that wasn't the only way that Barr has sort of generated some friction with Trump during this scandal. Mr. Trump is apparently angry with the coverage that he's received so far, but also with Mr. Barr for urging him to release a reconstructed transcript of the telephone call with Ukraine's president. Again, it's not a transcript, it's sort of a summary. But there's, insiders are saying that that was Barr's idea to release that. It was a horrible decision.

Now, Trump wants you to know that it was his horrible decision. He has said that since, he's been asked. But insiders are saying that it was in fact Barr who told him to do that. Well, now we have this report of insiders saying that Trump is mad at Barr for making that wrong decision. What happened? I thought it was a perfect call. Why would you be mad about releasing a perfect call?

If I had released a perfect call, I don't know that such a thing exists, but if I was part of a perfect call, I'd want it released. I'd be like, look at this, guys, it's perfection. So obviously they know that it was not a perfect call. And now they realize, oops, why did we publicly admit a crime? And now Barr, even Barr, who defended him through thick and thin and who made up things that Robert Mueller didn't say and said it on national television, who was willing to do all of that stuff is like, back, pedal, back, pedal, back, pedal, back, pedal, back, pedal.

If Bill Barr is backpedaling, this is really, really bad. Yeah. Barr is apparently mad at Trump too. We'll get to that in one second, but related to that, let's say this is true. Let's say it was Barr's idea. I can sort of see how Trump would read that transcript or be told what's in the transcript. Received the bullet points of the transcript and think it's okay. But Barr is corrupt.

He's not stupid. How could he read that transcript and not think that that's going to confirm what everyone already believed it happened? You know what? Since he refused to do the press conference saying, see, there was nothing wrong. I, John, I thought the same exact thing, as I was reading the story, I thought, is this Barr's way of saying, look, man, I didn't have anything to do with it? And I want him to release the transcript so that people know I wasn't doing a cover-up.

Because if I'm hiding that transcript, and he says in there that I'm supposed to call the Ukrainian president, maybe I get in trouble, right? But if he releases it and I convince him to release it, then I get to say, hey, listen, man, I didn't call the Ukrainian president, and I'm the one who released a transcript. It might have been Barr in some ways throwing Trump under a bus. Well, apparently Barr was bothered that Mr. Trump on the call lumped him together with Rudy Giuliani, like interchangeable parts of his personal defense team. But to be fair, the reason Trump did that is because he considers them to be interchangeable

parts of his personal defense team. He thinks that the attorney general is not our lawyer, it's his lawyer, that's what he's there for. And supposedly, the two remain on much better terms than Trump was with his first attorney general, Jeff Sessions. The president has apparently given Mr. Barr extensive leeway and largely deferred to his judgment, apparently on releasing that transcript. Mr. Barr has spoken with pride about how much Mr. Trump relies on him and treats him as a confidant. But potentially implicating him in this scandal might have been a bridge too far.

And the thing is, like, whether our recently put together theory is true, Barr is a part of this scandal, one that it infuriates me that the Democrats haven't made a bigger part of this. When the whistleblower tried to go through the normal channels to raise concerns, Barr quashed it. He ended it there. That's the only reason the whistleblower had to go to Congress to try to start to communicate with people like Adam Schiff.

It's because Barr tried to cover it up initially. Well, Barr seems to be one of these Republicans who feels he's getting what he wants policy-wise, Therefore, he's trying to protect Trump. Because I can't imagine Barr's not walking away from meetings from Trump and going, what an idiot. I mean, you just know he's doing that. But he's also saying, well, I'm getting whatever I want, whether it's the judges or the conservative policies or the deregulations or whatever you want. Because Barr also, I was listening to this thing yesterday about how he's very religious,

anti-secularist, you know, has made statements against LGBTQ. He's very conservative. So he's one of these guys who's a smart guy. what he wants, trying to protect Trump, but as you said, doesn't want to get in the middle and say, I was also, you know, part of this quid pro quo. And Trump is this paranoid conspiracy theorist. So even if you're on his good side, at some point, you're going to end up on his bad side. Yeah, yes, yes, 100%.

Look, I guarantee you that a lot of people say this after the Trump administration is over. And I don't know if Bill Barr will be among them, but I'm pretty sure he'll think it. which is, they'll say, look, I agreed with him, and I was happy to serve him. And Bill Barr, Maz is 100% right, is super conservative, unbelievably conservative, right? But what they're going to say is, but I didn't know how stupid he was. Like, you can't be prepared for that until you're in a meeting with him, and you're dealing with him day to day. Like, it's stunning how stupid he is. So that's why he doesn't understand things like the attorney general is not your personal lawyer.

But I've got to give you a couple of quotes here that are devastating. Trump tweeted out recently when the Washington Post broke the story about how Barr didn't want to do the press conference. Quote, we both deny this story, which they knew before they wrote it, garbage newspaper. And then New York Times adds, Mr. Barr, however, did not publicly deny their account. So they are not on the same page. And of course, Trump didn't check on that before he sent the tweet out. And finally, John Bolton. So I want to give you two quotes here.

He said he is willing to defy the White House. According to a report came out today, willing to defy the White House and testify in the House impeachment inquiry about his alarm at the Ukraine pressure campaign. So here comes Bolton to Ramsey or otherwise to stretch out Donald Trump and perhaps deliver some vengeance for his own firing. But apparently Fiona Hill backs up Bolton as being not part of this and opposed to this what he viewed to be a criminal undertaking in the Ukraine call. Here's her quote of Bolton. She's saying Bolton said this at the time. You go and tell Eisenberg that I am not part of this drug deal that Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up. Whoa.

So John Ramsey, Bolton. Bolton coming in to say, apparently, and hopefully soon in Congress, yeah, it was criminal. I knew it and I tried to stop it. Wow. Who needs binge watching when you got this administration that just keep coming out? The characters, Fiona Hill was the one that was under Obama, right? And then right, am I right or am I wrong? No.

Who was the one under there was no, no, Yates? That was Yates. Sally Yates. It's getting confusing now. But every day there's a new person coming out and then every day the administration He's trying to find new ways to denigrate them or defame them by saying, you know, with Vindman was that, whether they were saying, oh, he speaks Russian, so he's got to be, you know, or Ukrainian, whatever, you know, Ukrainian, so he's got to be his allegiances elsewhere.

And who knows where they're going to go with, I mean, I don't know what they're going to do with Bolton. I don't know what their move would be if he actually comes out and says something. Maybe they're going to say. They're going to call Bolton a liberal. He kind of looks like one with that mustache. I mean, he looks like a professor. Like, I would think of him as like a liberal professor. Yes, sir.

Yeah, I can't wait. That's gonna be the coup de gras of their alternative facts when they called John Bolton a progressive. Yeah. They called Sondland a never-Trumper. He gave Trump a million dollars for his inauguration. Yeah, that should have just broken truth. Ridgamous.

Oh, and by the way, found out just recently, people have been pushing PBS to play the impeachment trial publicly as they did under Nixon, and it turns out as of today, they are going to do that. From gavel to gavel, the entirety would be broadcast fully. Okay, so really fast, let's move on. Don Jr. has a new book that he intends to paint the left as being crazy. But the person who comes out of the accounts in the book looking the weirdest is actually Don Jr. Take a look at one section. He says, President-elect Trump and the new first family were at Arlington National Cemetery, where Trump was to lay a wreath on the tomb of the unknowns. Don Jr. says, I rarely get emotional.

if ever. Yet as we drove past the rows of white grave markers in the gravity of the moment, I had a deep sense of the importance of the presidency and a love of our country. And that, if I were his editor, is where I would have ended the story. But unfortunately, his editor didn't, it went on. And he said, in that moment, I also thought of all the attacks we'd already suffered as a family and about all the sacrifices we'd have to make to help my father succeed, voluntarily giving up a huge chunk of our business and all international deals to avoid the appearance that we were profiting off the office. So you soldiers who stormed the beaches of Normandy, yeah, that ain't nothing.

I wanted to expand a golf course in Scotland. Can I quote hauling notes on this? I'm out of touch. I'm out of touch. Donald Trump Jr. is out of touch. I think they kind of summed it up. I think so.

I didn't think we were going that direction today. Okay, so if you remember Donald Trump after the 9-11 attack, went on the radio immediately thereafter, and they said, well, how do you feel about this tragedy? We just lost thousands of Americans in the city that you live in and cherish. And he said, well, now I have used to be the second tallest tower, and now I have the tallest tower in Manhattan. Yep. By the way, also not true.

But that he bragged about now he has a tallest tower in lower Manhattan, okay? And then listen to all the things that Don Trump, Jr. says, even before you get to the atrocious stuff, he says, no, I rarely get emotional, if ever. What a weird thing to say? Watch the view. Yeah, I don't like, that's true. But like, what kind of a sociopath never gets emotional? But to the Republicans, it's like, yeah, I have no empathy, I have no emotion. Congratulations, really appreciate it.

Thanks for letting us know. And then you gotta remember, of course, this is in the context, and this goes out stupid, he is and his dad are. Oh, I just went to Arlington National Cemetery and all those poor people who died so that my dad wouldn't have to go to Vietnam because he lied about his bones spurs. Yeah. Like if your dad is the coward who got five deferments from Vietnam, and I'm not saying everybody who got a deferment, it was a coward.

But he was, Trump was, because it wasn't just for school afterwards. He had his daddy, write him, a note, a doctor that owed his dad a friend. favor, and the New York Times broke that story, wrote a note for him pretending he had bone spurs. And when Trump was asked, which foot did you have the bone spur on? He's like, maybe both. Okay, so that's your dad. And you're writing about him, visiting Arlington National Cemetery. He ran, and those people died for him.

Okay? And then you're right, but on the other hand, we did not get to do the international expansion of our multi-billion dollar empire like we were planning. Yeah. And the only thing that makes it worse is that they still did all of that international stuff. He's also lying there. Yeah. But this is, this is what the family is. It's delusions of grandeur, it's a god complex. Them not being able to get, like they wanted a hotel in Mexico City or something is the same as a soldier dying. Trump's impeachment inquiry is a lynching. No one, no president has, Trump Jr. went on the view yesterday to say that no president

has received anywhere near the attacks that Trump has, which was news to the Kennedy family. Like, it's just, they're all crazy. But there is just one little fun angle on this, and that is that Donald Trump, his book is triggered how the left thrives on hate and wants to silence us, because if you're a conservative, you're obligated to release a comedy special or a book that's called Triggered. But anyway, the way they designed the cover, you'll notice that's not what the name of the book is, that's because the design is very easy to Photoshop. And so some group went in and replaced the covers with Daddy Please Love Me.

Everything I do I do for Daddy's Love. Oh my God. Which, by the way, could have also been the name of Donald Trump's senior's book. And so, but finally, my favorite part of the book is they go to the Tomb of the Unknowns, as John told you, and Trump goes, who are these guys? I'm kidding. No, that's funny. But you thought it could be true, right?

That's my whole point, that you really believe that. Yeah, we're shutting it down until we find out what's going on with these unknowns. They couldn't afford to get their names chiseled on the thing, on the tombstones. All right, guys, everybody check out Monsrabani.com so you can figure out where he's touring. Okay, everybody, check out Damage Report, John's fantastic show. And when we come back, we've got Anna Kasparian and Cal Penn. Okay? Right back.

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