The Young Turks - TYT's 2024 Election Coverage New Hampshire Primary

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

The Young Turks give their reaction as results of the New Hampshire primaries roll in. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to the Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Welcome to TYT's coverage of the New Hampshire primary. I'm Anna Casparian, joined by Jordan Yule and John Ida Rola. you guys doing? Excited for election night. Yeah? You know, I prefer ones that seem more immediately consequential. And I like it when there's, you know, an active, vigorous primary allowed on both sides. But we've been denied that. So we're gonna make do with what we've

got. We have in fact been denied that on the Democratic side, of course. Joe Biden's name isn't even gonna appear on the ballot. And Jordan, I feel like you'd do a good job explaining why that is. The undemocratic actions that were taken by the Democratic National Committee, tell us more about it. Yeah, they wanted to give South Carolina the first primary. This is a kick back to Jim Clyburn, who holds a lot of power in the party. And despite New Hampshire not really obliging, they're just kind of charging ahead as is, but it's non-binding. It doesn't, It doesn't really count. So they are just continuing with what they would do otherwise, and South Carolina has

the first official primary. So they basically have to write in who they prefer, right? So there's a write in campaign on behalf of Joe Biden. There are other candidates involved as well. You can write in Marianne Williamson or Jake Uger. He's also running in the primary. So on the Republican end of things though, this really does come. come down to Donald Trump and Nikki Haley.

And you know, it appears that so far, this primary election in the state of New Hampshire between Nikki and Hayle, sorry, Nikki Haley and Donald Trump is closer than we thought. It did. Oh, the numbers have changed, tell us more. Dramatic news. But hold on, is it like, oh, 5% of the precincts reporting or is it more than that? Well, however many it is, it's enough because it's over. Really?

Okay, tell us more. It is over. And I think it's like really over, not just, oh no, it was the AP who called it. So, you know, everybody pumped the brakes. No, I'm sure that they consider that there's enough in. Donald Trump is projected to win the state of New Hampshire in what was probably the best case scenario for an early state for Nikki Haley. He's currently at about 54%.

So she's, she's only running a point or two behind where the most recent polls in New Haven, New Hampshire had her, but it is not expected that based on particularly coming out of Concord, the sort of area that has a lot of Democrats who might be voting as independence, where you would expect that to benefit her. She wasn't doing it strongly in those areas as I think they expected she would need to be to have some sort of comeback. So the expectation is that Donald Trump has won this thing. In 2016, when we were still holding out hope for Bernie Sanders, did we seem as delusional as the people who are holding out hope for Nikki Haley? No, I mean, look, I could if if I needed to, and you know, we have a special, so we probably should.

If we wanted to speculate as to possible roads, it's not impossible to come up with a scenario where with an infusion of hundreds of millions of dollars she has some kind of a chance. I would argue there were better reasons to believe that Bernie Sanders, a guy who in those early states in 2016 was still a somewhat relatively lesser known figure on the national stage, who was not running against a Donald Trump, someone who had already had a stranglehold on the party for multiple years, had already served as the president for four years, there was, I think, a lot more roads for him. And look, in 2020, he ended up doing very well in the early states up until Super Tuesday. So look, there were people who at a certain point kept the faith alive in a way that was maybe disconnected from reality.

But especially at this point, no, there was every reason to believe that he had a chance. And he did well in some of the early states. He did, he certainly did well. And her team has made it clear that they're not going to stop. They're not going to drop out after today no matter what. They're hoping for a close second, that's their win tonight, despite changing the rhetoric. In December, Sununu was on ABCs this week and said, well, this is a lock for Nikki Haley. She's going to win this state.

And just a couple days ago, he's out there saying, best case scenario, what we consider is a win is a strong second place finish. And maybe they'll get it if they can chip away some of these margins. But earlier today, her team put out a memo saying, it doesn't matter what happens tonight. They're staying in it. And the path to victory that they see, we don't have to believe in this idea. But they think Virginia, Texas, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, and Vermont are all favorable states for them.

Interesting. That is, that's what they say. What about her state of South Carolina? They left that one, they left one that one out oddly enough. Trump's got a massive lead in the polling in the state of South Carolina. And endorsements. And endorsements, of course, yes. So I, it is, look, it's interesting to see how much Republicans in the primary were fighting for second place.

And Nikki Haley has remained in the primary fight and she is in second place. Earlier this week, of course, Governor Ron DeSantis decided to drop out of the race and endorsed Donald Trump. And so we'll see how it plays out. But if I were to be completely honest with you guys, it just feels like this is a bit of a waste of time. It feels as though Trump is gonna be the nominee, so why are we wasting our time with all of this?

Okay, tell me more, tell me more. I like that you disagree. Well, first of all, because she has signaled that she will stay in no matter what, and no politician has ever said they'll do something. in an election and then done otherwise. Never. That's never happened. You know, like Ramoswamy and Ronda Santis were definitely days before they dropped out being

like, I'm probably not gonna stick around. They were being very honest and forthright about it. But no, assuming that she is intending to stick around as long as she has that strong second, well then looking at the numbers actually matters. Does this rank as a close second? I mean, I don't think anybody doubts that if Trump performed better than expected, if, you know, so many of the Ronda Santos supporters of his eight or nine, that he was polling, New Hampshire went to him, that suddenly Nikki Haley is at like 15 points,

then she's probably going to drop out, and that's probably it. But if right now she's at 45%, and he's at 54%, that's a pretty strong second. I mean, you know, so I think that that probably buttresses her argument that she should stick around. And that means we're going to have months more of campaigning, months more of her testing out, maybe trying to actually attack him. And that's, that's going to affect things. But I would say the more important, reason that it matters is she now has an incentive to just stick around beyond the normal one. The normal one is, hey, you never know what will happen. Maybe Super Tuesday will go my way, maybe some of the southern states will swing my way or whatever. But she has the secondary

root of, I kind of want to be the person who's still standing if in one of these many cases, he just found guilty and is suddenly hit with, oh no, you're going to prison or whatever. Like that's not easy to conceive of considering all of what he's gotten away with in his life. And we also have to bear in mind that just because he goes to prison doesn't mean that he won't be the nominee. But if they see sense and if he's going to be in a cell, then she wants to still be standing. If she drops out in three weeks and then in two months he goes to prison, it's not necessarily Nikki Haley. At that point, it could be Ron DeSantis or it could be whoever, insert a Republican governor or something. She wants to be that person who gets to be the runner up if the legal system does what it almost

certainly should do. Yeah, I mean, look, I think I think that's a really good point. I think I've become so cynical about any real consequences for Donald Trump that it's hard for me to imagine that he'll ever serve a single day behind bars or, you know, do I think he might get convicted on some of these indictments? Maybe, probably, right? But do I think it's actually going to translate into real political ramifications? I would be shocked, but that's just me being cynical, I could be entirely wrong, just a prediction. But, you know, let's talk a little bit about what this all means for the strategy of the Democratic Party. I get the feel that there isn't really much strategy taking place at all.

There are some rumors swirling that the Biden camp might consider dropping Kamala, which I find inconceivable. That would lead to, I mean, I don't think she would go quietly. I think that that would cause a lot of problems. So I've kind of dismissed that rumor. But I do think that Biden is an incredibly vulnerable candidate up against someone like Donald Trump, who has been consistently leading Biden in the polls. So what do you guys think? Do you think Biden has the possibility of turning this around and potentially beating

Donald Trump in the general? It depends. I think there are some things to look into in Trump's performance, or the closeness of this primary and what we might see in future primaries if as long as Haley continues to stay in. Because the reporting on the ground shows that people who voted for him in 2020 and definitely 2016 are getting tired of them. There are Republicans out there who are concerned about his long list of crimes and alleged crimes and legal challenges. All these things are a factor in people's minds. Could that lead to depressed turnout for him? It could be just who has the worst depressed turnout among their base.

That's not a great game for the country for any campaign to be in, but certainly it's a problem on the left. It does seem to be a problem on the right, even though that's not really a primary narrative around Trump's campaign. That's such a good point. And it's funny because Nikki Haley went on Fox News and complained that Fox News had already chosen who the winner is, and was kind of giving them a tough time for that. I actually really enjoyed watching her push back on Fox and hold them accountable for the way that they've been covering the primaries. But aside from that, just going back to the Iowa caucuses, not a huge percentage of people in Iowa, Republican voters in Iowa caucus on behalf of Donald Trump.

It was actually a pretty small percentage. I don't remember the exact numbers at the moment, but that gave me a little bit of hope, right? Because I think we've kind of bought into the narrative that the Republican voter base is just completely dominated by people who are loyal and devoted to Donald Trump. But that's not necessarily true. And I think that there is some truth to what you're saying here, Jordan, about how people are kind of getting exhausted with the circus, right? I'm exhausted with the circus in general, not just with the Republican Party. And it's like, can we just get some people who actually want to lead and pass legislation and fix some of the problems we have in this country? You ask too much.

I guess I do. And I want to return to your thing about possible VP picks, but on that point about what signals this sends about Donald Trump, I mean, look, if you want to have hope or if you don't want to have hope about the possibility that the Republican Party could morph at some point into a slightly less deranged version of itself, I think there's evidence for both. I mean, look, when you look at the national polls and he's lapping Haley, well, then that doesn't look very good for reason. But people did not seem super excited to support him in Iowa in terms of raw turnout.

Now granted, it was as cold as like the movie Snowpiercer there, but they could have come out. Like many of them were being asked by Trump to vote even if it killed them and many of them would be eager to do that. And he only got slightly more than half the vote anyway. Here he's getting slightly more than half the vote. In fact, she's kind of gained a little bit. She's at more than 46%. He's only up by 6.3% right now. Granted it's New Hampshire, granted you of independence potentially modifying that result.

But I think that you could see more pushback to him. And I think that some people are sick of, you know, they want him to accomplish these big goals of like banning Muslims or building a dome over the United States. I think that you can only take so many days of his Twitter feed, you know, or his true social feed being full of him talking about how E. Jean Carroll's cat is named vagina or whatever. Like he's not accomplishing huge conservative goals with that or talking about how the missiles go Bing bing bop boop, like that's not, that's not bringing home the policy bacon. So I don't know, like I think with that, and I think that as more of the details of the cases come out, you could see it tighten up a little bit. I don't think that anyone is currently positioned to surpass him as a leader on the Republican

party, but they might not have to again. If he gets knocked down, you know, legally as a result of the many crimes he's committed, then maybe it could be Nikki, I don't know. You know, the media also isn't covering Trump as obsessively as they did in 2016. He got a lot of free advertisement by CNN just showing his empty podium. I mean, that did end up helping him. And the media coverage is a little different this time around. I mean, there's a lot of other stuff to cover.

Luckily, that kind of takes the attention away from Trump. But have you noticed that, Jordan? And do you think that that's going to impact Trump negatively? Well, I was thinking about that yesterday, but from a different perspective. Because because they're a lot more cautious, I guess thankfully, they aren't really covering some truly deranged things that he's saying and doing where he's having these moments where he just doesn't seem coherent. He's just rambling and very distinguishable from just his signature tangents that he would go on in 2016. He was much more coherent then. He doesn't

make sense. He's misidentifying people. He's talking about things that didn't happen, all while saying Biden is the one with all of these mental issues. And Democrats are trying to capitalize on that. Like there are like the New Hampshire Democratic State Party chair was talking about like Trump is projecting on this issue specifically, like you could see it in his comments. So yeah, they aren't covering him that much. And while there might be a little bit of a softening effect on his political prospects, I think the consequence really is that we aren't seeing, we're only seeing on social media, people who only consume broadcast news or only consumed through legacy media aren't getting a full picture of who he has become.

That's a really interesting point. And I think that there's definitely some truth to that. Well, we gotta take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to talk a little bit to talk a little bit with Michael Shore, who's actually in New Hampshire. He's been interviewing Trump supporters there, and some of the supporters he's spoken to are actually not at all the on the fence Republicans that we've been talking about on this panel so far. So we'll get to them, we'll get to Michael Shore, and more when we come back, stick around.

Welcome back to TYT's New Hampshire primary coverage, Anna Casparian, Jordan Yule, and John Ida Rola with you. We have our very own Michael Shore over on the ground in New Hampshire, and we're gonna go to him in just a moment. But before we do, I think it's worth watching a conversation that Shore had with an avid Trump supporter. It's important to understand what goes through the minds of those who are so devoted and committed to Donald Trump.

So without further ado, let's watch. we're seeing is we're seeing an awakening in this country and a returning to godly principles, godly morality. We've, we've, we have no more tolerance. Tolerance is not a virtue in the Bible at all. Tolerance means to simply turn a blind eye to the conviction she once held. And that is going to be gone. We're not going to be tolerant of sin. We're not going to be tolerant of the woke agenda of the radical left. And Donald Trump will be the 47th president of the United States, that's very clear. People like, well, Bernie Sanders, Ocasio Cortez, Ilion Omar, who's supposedly a Muslim, but all she does is vote in

favor of democratic legislature that is antithetical to biblical values. You have individuals like them that are definitely opposed and have an agenda to destroy Christian liberty, freedom, and the church. Second Amendment is in place for us to take up arms against a tyrannical government. Joining us now is Michael Shore who looks like he's nice, warm and toasty over in New Hampshire. Michael, thank you so much for joining us. Because you can't see my toes in them. The, you know, it's, you know, these are, you know, as you know,

a sample of the types of people and types of opinions we get waiting in line with them for any kind of Trump event behind me just over my shoulder is the hotel here in Nashville, New Hampshire, where Trump will be later tonight to accept what what seems to be a victory in New Hampshire. The early returns and calls have gone his way. And so the people that are coming here tonight are the people who have volunteered for him, have worked for him and have been invited here and entered lotteries to get tickets to be here tonight. So these are the types of people who've been spending a lot of time with.

Now so far the numbers indicate that Trump is very likely to win the state of New Hampshire. But I am curious, did you come across any Nikki Haley supporters? Yeah, sure we have. I mean, we've seen that we, to be frank, we've been going to these Trump events to talk to them about what motivates them to come out for the former president. So we haven't spent a lot of time following Nikki Haley around or any of the other candidates. This has been focused on talking about this sort of MAGA movement and what goes into the MAGA mindset. But there are people both who have been open to Nikki Haley and totally close to the possibility of her winning a primary. But what you're seeing out here and talking to these people is there's a belief system in place, like we just heard from that gentleman who I spoke to last night in Laconia, New Hampshire. People believe that Trump will win unquestionably. And they're not even paying very much attention to the rest of the primary. Remember, New Hampshire voters of all stripes can vote in a Republican primary.

So there's some here's the former UN ambassador now. Some of these Democrats and independents push Nikki Haley. over. In my opinion, Nikki Haley would have had to do really, really well tonight to make a difference in the race. And she did earlier today. Her campaign manager said they're in it for the long haul, but winning tonight would have been a better way to start that. So if she comes in at a strong second, do you think that she should continue running in this primary? And what do you think about the possibility of her being the nominee should Trump be convicted and put in prison? Yeah, I mean, those are two heavy questions, Anna.

I mean, the first is, look, she can do what she wants. I always think that it's good to have competition in a race, especially when there is not an incumbent. But at any time, I think competition is good. It makes the leader better. I don't think that this campaign, the Trump campaign, is really acknowledging any of the substance coming from Mickey Haley. So I don't know. And I think that if Donald Trump can't stand for election, I've maintained this for a while, that I didn't think any of the seven or eight people who were originally on this,

the stage we're going to be the nominee should he not be able to go in there so i don't think it's going to go to and also ran but i understand why that would keep haley in the race and if i was advising her i would say i would say to stay in certainly until your home state of south carolina which is coming up on february 24th for the republicans but in terms of whether there's a viable path for any of them if it's not going to be donald trump i think it's going to be someone whose name has not been on any ballot yet and that would be decided at a convention of Republicans, I would look at someone like Governor Brian Kemp in Georgia, maybe the governor here, Chris Sununu in New Hampshire, maybe even Christine Nome in South Dakota, who could

stand a good chance of being Trump's running mate if he is allowed to continue running. So the gentleman that you were talking about was like talking about these supposed religious beliefs that are driving his politics. And you talked about how a lot of the Republicans, like they believe this is kind of a foregone conclusion that Donald Trump is going to win. So I wanted to ask you about the feeling that you've got about some of the beliefs that have become quite common amongst Republicans in New Hampshire because it has this aura of being a sort of more reasonable, slightly less extreme state when it comes to conservatives. So in terms of like buying the narratives about the results in

the 2020 election or the legal challenges to Donald Trump or the E. Gene Carroll, you know, guilty verdict effectively that he already got, do they buy any of this? Are they just basically trusting whatever Trump is telling them? Like, Like, has anything seemed to get through and make some of them question aspects of these storylines? The closest we've gotten, John, is to some of these people saying, well, you know, if he is convicted of any of these things, I would think about it. Think about not supporting him. Maybe along the way, a couple of people have said, yeah, they wouldn't be able to support someone who's convicted. But in great part, these people know that that's built in. They think this has been a complete persecution of the former president. They think that these are unfounded.

Many of them say the first thing he should do when he gets to office is pardon all the January 6th people. So you're dealing with people who are on the other side. Remember, as independent a streak as New Hampshire has, it was always a very conservative state for conservatives, right? So you look back at people like Gordon Humphrey, you look back at Bob Smith, who served as very conservative senators. John Sununu was the governor here.

Back when conservative meant something that it means, that doesn't really mean as much anymore. But here today we had somebody who was vilified. neocons. And neocons used to be as conservative as you could get. Our memory isn't so short that we don't forget that from the Bush administration. So I think that you're looking at a flavor of republicanism that has taken hold of this party for now, as we all know and you know better than anybody. And I don't see that having done away here. And look, they're not looking at these indictments as anything more than part of the play between the two parties. They think it's all political persecution. And there's going to be very little that moves them off of that. You know, what's amazing to me is the disconnect between the gentleman that we heard you interview earlier and the hatred for neocons and the love for MAGA, because neocons were more representative of that Christian conservatism, the social conservatism that came along with, you know, the neocon branding of Republican politics. Whereas MAGA tends to be less socially conservative in some ways. I mean, certainly their leader, the leader of the MAGA movement loves sin. I mean, he bathes in sin, he brags about sin.

So it's just hilarious to hear this guy that you're talking to call out the sins that are being committed and how he's going to be intolerant towards sin while he's, you know, incredibly boastful about how he's supporting Donald Trump. I mean, how do you explain that disconnect? Well, I mean, part of it is that one thing that we forget is that built into religion as much as they criticize sin and they cast out the sinner is they also welcome the sinner back, right? Forgiveness is a big part of religion and they make amends for that. And Trump himself has done his almost confession with a lot of the evangelicals that we saw in Iowa and a lot of religious people here for whom. I mean, the gentleman we just played before I came on the air is someone who prior to that moments prior was leading the line of people waiting to get in in a prayer.

He's someone who after our interview, and it was an exhaustive and long interview, he gave me a big hug, you know, and said, call me when you're in Iowa City. You know, so that's part of this whole mindset that's here. But when you get down to what it is that motivates, I mean, you heard him talk about guns. You heard him talk about religion, about tolerance. not being in the bible that was one of the things that really sort of irked us he said there's no tolerance in the bible he said that we should not have pistols we need machine guns for when the tyrannical government comes after us so these sort of strong tenets are there and the other part of it you talked about the neocons you asked about the neocons Anna is that neocons are a part of the

swamp as it were there are people that have been there for a very long time and you'll you'll recall and you'll hear ad nauseum for the rest of the year about draining the swamp again And they frame it differently now, but they say the same words. I love the idea that Donald Trump has ever or would ever apologize for anything that he has done in his life. But anyway, I am curious, as you've been having these conversations with them, you mentioned the possible, like I guess Christy Nome has come up, Governor Nome has come up as a possibility. Have there been other standout figures that have driven conversations about who he should choose? Is it Ramoswamy? Is it Marjorie Green? Like, who's actually generating some enthusiasm? Yeah, I mean, I think that there is a recency bias and there's a geographical bias.

So out in Iowa and South Dakota, you hear a lot about Christyneau. You hear people who have just come to Novibake Ramoswamy, who say he would make a great running mate. Some people say, hey, Lee, because she's been there in sort of governance before. You hear Tucker Carlson. Haven't heard too much about Marjorie Taylor Green, but we're going to be heading south. I've heard Tim Scott recently as well. So you can hear the names. And yeah, there has been some carry weight and no question that that name has come up.

And then they say, oh, well, and of course DeSantis came up. And then when I tell them that we can't be from the same state, two running mates can't be from the same state. They'll say, oh, I didn't know that. And they'd pick somebody else. But I do think that there is, you know, the normal as any party in any candidacy would have. And I think what either you or Anna were asking earlier about who would come in, should he not be there, is a more fascinating conversation than who the running mate would be because we do that with all candidates every, every cycle. And we really don't know. But I do think that Christine

Nome is somebody who's high on his list when people have spoken to who would know better than I. That's super interesting. Michael, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us. Stay warm and we'll talk to you in a little bit. We will. All right guys, thanks. All right, let's take another break. When we come back, I think it's worth discussing the VP drama on the Democratic side, what would happen if Joe Biden decided, Kamala Harris is kind of dragging my campaign down. Maybe we need to have a different running mate. We're gonna discuss that and more coming up.

What's up you five people? You're watching at TYT's coverage of the New Hampshire primary, Anna Casparian, Jordan Yule, and John Ida Rola with you. I wanted to read some member comments because members are awesome. They help support the show, and I love that you guys are watching and sharing your perspectives on all of this. So the throat goat dragon, who has my favorite handle, not a fan of Nikki Haley. Nikki Haley has the personality of a forgotten, overgrown Confederate grave. She can go in the dustbin of history where she belongs with a clapping emoji.

So strong, strong opinions there. Mathias writes in and says, I suppose he could get the delegates but lose the popular, meaning the popular votes, it's possible she would break even if she lost the delegates. I'm having a hard time deciphering exactly what that means. But yeah, I don't know exactly how it would break out. I mean, one of the issues with the Republican side compared to the Democratic side is the Republican process has way more winner take all states. So it's much harder for that to happen on the Republican side than the Democratic side. And good old red beard Dragon says, the entire system has been set up and manipulated for someone like Trump to do exactly

what he's doing. I have zero faith that America will actually hold him accountable. Conviction or not, he'd win from within a prison cell, be immediately released, then go full blown dictator. But he'll- Just on day one. So okay, let's actually just briefly address that. Because sometimes I try to take myself out of the left-wing bubble and really question. whether I've like bought into some of the corporate media fear mongery. Like don't get me wrong. Like Trump tried to overturn the 2020 election and he tried to do it in a horrible way. Not just through the January 6th riots.

That's what gets all the attention. But there was a plan in place with fraudulent electors. And that is what he's facing indictments for as we speak. But some of the stuff about him wanting to be a dictator and how democracy will be lost forever in America if he gets elected. Do you guys buy into that or do you think that our institutions will hold? Yes and no. I think there are ways that Trump has really tried to totally break the system in ways that the media really wouldn't cover.

And that's through like the administrative state, the bureaucratic state. Things like that, totally dismantling agencies and maybe potentially, Vivek was pretty open about it, but just wanting to completely gut the federal government. You know, there are people who do essential thankless work in the federal government, Whether you see it or not, that they do impact your life and whether it's appointing people and hiring people with brazenly pro-corporate stances that can completely disrupt industries, make your life worse. I think that's a way that Trump would be really, really effective and totally dismantling the government that the media just doesn't cover. Yeah, I think that's such a great point. And I'll give you a local example. You know, because of the coronavirus pandemic, there were workers shortages in like government agencies in in Los Angeles, for instance.

One of those agencies is sanitation. And you see the result of that issue, right? Like if that government agency didn't exist, if it ceased to exist, we would experience a complete another disaster when it comes to like literal trash all over the place in L.A. So it's something you take for granted. You don't really think about it because it's a service that's being done. Yes, your taxes pay for it, but it's easy to take it for granted when you don't know what it's like when you don't have that government agency doing the work that they do. So that's a really good point.

But John, did you want to weigh in on that? Yeah, look, I don't know, some of the stuff that he's, you know, he's really making a focus of his campaigning seems pretty scary, like talking about sending 300,000 soldiers to the border and setting up like, you know, just internment camps along the border. Like that's, I don't think I need to exaggerate how bad that is, it's pretty bad. And also, he does a good job also talking about how he's going to use his term to retaliate against his political opponents. He's pretty obsessed with that. Yeah, look, and that doesn't mean that he'll instantly succeed in all of that.

I mean, they say, what they're saying about the charges he's facing is it's all just political, it's crafted from nowhere. So the idea is that you could just do this. He thinks he could, he talks about doing it to Joe Biden, but the thing is, like, you still need to convince a prosecutor, you need to convince a grand jury, you need to convince a judge. It doesn't actually work the way that he seems to think and that many Republicans seem to think. So some of the stuff he's claiming I'm not too worried about. If he wants to spend the rest of his life investigating Joe Biden, he can do that. It only matters if Joe Biden committed crimes, really. And Joe Biden's not my uncle, I don't care what happens to him.

So I'm not worried about that, but I am worried about the fact that there is thus far no precedent for him going peacefully when his term is up. Yeah. And look, next time around, he won't technically be able to run again at all. So that's a norm that he would never violate, maybe. And he didn't look, admittedly, he didn't succeed the last time around. But the last time around, he hadn't really gotten the quality of loyalists, anti-democratic, fascistic loyalists that he wants. He'll have those people next time around.

So I don't know, I don't really want to roll the dice on it. I know that. I hear you, I totally hear you on that. Well, I would argue that regardless of what we want and how little we want to roll the dice, The dice is being rolled by the person who just insists on running for re-election. And that's Joe Biden, an incredibly vulnerable candidate to go up against Donald Trump. Yes, he won in 2020, but he won in 2020 with the support of young people who really showed up. Young people who are now disillusioned with Biden.

He has also lost support among black and Latino voters. He has lost support among Arab American voters in swing states like Michigan, where they represent a pretty significant Democratic voting block. So I am concerned about all of that. And then there's also the issue of his age. And what it would mean if, God forbid, he gets reelected and he doesn't make it through his term, then the VP is going to be president. And people aren't really loving Kamala Harris. I'm just going to say it. And so there have been some rumors swirling about the possibility of him replacing Kamala Harris. I would be shocked if he does that. But in let's just, let's just have fun. Let's just say in this hypothetical situation where he's looking for a stronger running mate?

Who do you think he would consider? I've been trying to answer that question since you raised it as a possibility. There's, there are different questions you could ask, you'd ask, who should he replace her with, which is a very different question than who might he replace her with? Might he replace her with, well, if you're gonna go to the trouble of replacing your sitting VP, which isn't the easiest thing in the world to do, and she would not be happy about it, then you would want to choose someone who's going to fire a people. people up who might give you a chance of winning a particular state that you need.

You're gonna say AOC, aren't you? No, I don't know, because I don't believe that there's any chance that he would do that. Also, I haven't heard much from her recently, but, but anyway, look, I think that that would be a good way to reassure young voters that, hey, you know, I'm pretty old and I fall off bikes sometimes, maybe she'll be president, that would be something. He could do that, I don't think that he would. I think that he would probably choose a governor from a state where he thinks it would make difference it would be someone who almost necessarily by definition would be

younger than him ideally like I'm hoping he wouldn't just go like a Gavin Newsom or something he would go with you know like a younger like woman or a person of color or something you know I don't have an easy answer to that though if we would choose that there were randomly some headlines today about like ooh Gretchen Whitmer right I was just gonna say Gretchen Wintmer they they are clearly setting yes right fits all of those those characteristics and they had setting her up over the past few years for a prominent position within the Democratic Party. And I think rightfully so. She is a likable person. She's a proven winner. She governs a

trifecta right now. People seem to like her in that state. And that's a state that Biden is not looking great at. He's really struggling in Michigan. His poll numbers are declining. You have a huge Arab American population and Palestinian population in Michigan who are rightfully furious with how this administration is handling the war in Gaza. So what better as a an olive branch in addition to actually changing your policy, that could be one way if they did it. But I don't think that they're actually going to. I agree. I find it hard to believe that he would do it just because it would lead to conflict and potential backlash. Look, I remember in 2020, Kamala Harris had like a very loyal group of people that were terrorizing anyone who said

anything mean about her on Twitter. I don't know where they all went. Are they still around? Kayah is still a thing I think I don't know if it's as fired up but but she remember like she's in the sort of position that you would want to be in if you still harbored hopes that you could run in four years so I'm sure there's some people who have they're keeping that torch burning you know for her yeah she see and Buttigieg probably oh he's just salivating as a chance to win her to run so I was telling John during the break I listened to the fight of his life by Chris Whipple a couple months ago and in it it's like one of those palace intrigue books about about the White House and he talks about Kamla's frustration because she's just kind of been sequestered as vice president. Every once in a while they'll send her out to some random part of the country to talk about an issue but doesn't really have any tangible impact on what the administration does and that's bothering her. And while she might be frustrated, they might be frustrated with her. There are definitely tensions there. But you also have to think about the optics of replacing her with someone like Gretchen Whitmer, even with all of those

things that we just talked about like that would look so because he made his whole thing like I'm gonna I'm gonna pick a a black woman as my running mate and originally also in this book they talked about he never intended that the plan was never to say black it was just to say yes in he was the plan was never to say it was just to say a woman and they said he said a black woman on stage I gotta read this book yeah it's really interesting yeah but if they replaced her with Gretchen Whitmer or any white woman I think that there would be backlash from a broad cross-cut of the party, not just the k-hive, because it really would look bad. That's possible, yeah. I mean, I would also bear in mind in terms of, like, theoretically,

if you wanted to continue their sort of like, we're the defenders of democracy, they're the violent fascists or whatever. Gretchen Whitmer, of course, was the target of a kidnapping plot, like she has a story that I think could resonate in that area. But I do agree, look, they could try to nuance the politics and have, give Harris some other position or the promise of a position down the line and have her come out and be like, you know, it's the campaign's just too rough, want to spend time with the family. Like they could try to make it seem like a voluntary thing, but I do agree they would be worried about those optics. Yeah. Well, even though the DNC effed around with this New Hampshire primary, there are, you know, there's a possibility of

people writing in a candidate, even though Biden's not even on the ballot. So with that said, are there any updates on that? It's done. Okay, the thing has been called. Or Joseph R. Biden Jr. Okay, his name is on this iPad, even if it is not on the ballot. Yeah, so he won with a dominating 1.6%. Of course, look, what it means is that they have done an actual analysis of the 72% of the votes that are unprocessed right-ins or whatever. And they have estimated that the percentage that's going to Biden is such that no one can beat him. But we've been talking about who else and what else might appear in those write-ins.

write-ins and I really hope I feel like they do off like Axios will come out with an article of like the top 10 things that were written in because they don't have to be names by the way you can write anything you want and there's a lot of political issues that I think someone could want to write in there but I would also point out that Dean Phillips did get more than 20% now it's unique circumstances with the write-in thing but but he got 7,000 votes I mean that's that's definitely something and I would not have expected that he would have so outperformer Marianne Williamson he is a sitting congressman

But considering the, at times almost comical trouble he had in generating audiences, like, you know, it sucks, but he did have that meet and greet that nobody came to be greeted at. That's tough. He's still got 7,000 votes in New Hampshire, so I would not have expected that. Let's talk about the future to wrap up this hour before we bring in the new panel. Is there anyone in democratic politics that like specifically excites you guys? Because that was something that I had been struggling with until today. Are you okay, John?

AOC, right? And I'm just sad. No, theoretically. Not theoretically, definitely. No, no, no. But again, look, I was just having a conversation with someone about the, either the lack of attempts to or the ability to break through and drive political conversations of people who formerly had like Bernie Sanders has popped up occasionally now, you know,

on some topics. He seems to have heard the criticism of his commentary about Israel and now he's being a little bit more fiery about that. But look, we had the Federman thing fall apart. You know, Bernie doesn't wield a lot of power inside of the Democrats in the Senate. The squad members aren't really driving a lot of conversation, particularly since the Democrats lost the House last time around. And so we're just at a period where there are not a lot of high profile aspirational figures that are inspiring, I think, a lot of hope. It's not to say that there's nobody, there are some good governors passing some good

laws and vetoing some bad ones and things like that. There are a few people who are doing some good things, but it's tough times. And I try to remind people that while it really sucks to have an election cycle like this, where you don't have the enthusiasm of a 2016 or a 2020, this hope that Burrush, Bernie or someone else could win, Joe Biden, like Trump, technically cannot run again. And then all bets are off. And look, that means that a ton of centrists are going to flood in. And Buttigieg is going to have his followers dancing on TikTok and everything.

And like it's going to be really unbearable in a lot of ways. But it also means that all sorts of different progressives can make a national play too. And that's four more years of Gen Z moving in and becoming a more dominant part of the electorate. There are already more than 40 million Gen Z adults who are a voting age. going to be significantly higher in four years. And so it sucks to be biting our time right now. And it really sucks to have the DNC stamping out even the possibility of something like a primary, a few debates or something.

But next time around, anything can happen. What about you, Jordan? So a specific person that excites me is probably Summerlee. Okay, I just grew up just outside of Pittsburgh across the border in Ohio. And I think that's somebody who represents like the best of that. that area and also represents the vision that we want for a progressive future. This is somebody who is to, you know, just identifies an underrepresented portion of the country in Congress. So I think someone like her with her platform and her politics,

her bold stances, just taking on a democratic machine in that state and winning. I think that's really exciting. But to your point, John, I think we haven't even seen the people that we're going to be excited by. Yeah, 100%. There's just there are going to be new names emerging over the next few years or several years, that will be the next Bernie, the next AOC, the next summer leave, the next Cory Bush. I hope some of them are watching and take action soon, please, soon. There are some problems that we need address very soon, but I think they're out there. I can't wait to learn about them, support them, donate, canvas, do whatever I can.

Yeah. Yeah, so I'll wrap up with something that happened on the main show today. that did excite me. I don't know if the speculation that was mentioned in our segment is actually going to come to fruition. But recently, the head of the United Auto Worker, Sean Fane, was speaking at a UAW event and a conference. And Jake made a really good point about how his speech seemed very, he didn't say presidential, but it did seem like he was like stumping or like, you know, it was a political speech. he'd be a really, really good leader, like, because he's a fighter.

He has progressive values, obviously, but like, his focus and emphasis is on workers. And I think that that has, that kind of message has the potential to maybe even sway some, you know, working class Republican voters who have bought into the populist economic rhetoric that Trump loves to put out there, but doesn't really put any action behind. 100%, I mean, I grew up in the Rust Belt, and one thing I heard from talking to people in that area during 2016 was because of the Clinton's association with NAFTA and because of Clinton's association with the TPP, Obama's trade deal, that's a big deal to auto workers. It's a big deal to union workers all over the country. So Trump did make inroads, unfortunately, with organized labor from the Midwest, mid-Atlantic in the south, because of those associations, because of those trade, policies, he can win those people back.

Totally, totally. All right, we gotta take a break, but have no fear. Our New Hampshire coverage isn't over yet. When we come back, we'll have a new panel, new discussions. It's gonna be great, don't miss it. Welcome back to DYT's New Hampshire primary election cover. I'm Francesca Fiorendini, that's still Jordan Ewell, that's not John Idaurola, that's Wazni Lombre here, taking you guys out.

You know, we were planning for a longer night. I don't know about you guys, I obviously am wearing a diaper and just a, you know, this just a cliffhanger of a knight who is going to be the Republican nominee and incumbency. What? That doesn't, it's Biden and Trump people, if you haven't. are just tuning in. Obviously, it pretty much what? Jordan, you were live within 10 seconds of polls closing.

Biden was obviously deemed the nominee or the winner of the New Hampshire primary. And then of course, Trump maybe, I don't know, five minutes later, maybe seven minutes later. Nikki Haley, honestly, within striking distance, 33% of the votes have been counted. She's not, obviously, she's not the winner, but 45% of the vote to Trump's 50, almost 54% at this point. We do have some clips of a good old Nikki Haley speaking to her supporters, acknowledging that she didn't win this time, but she's not giving up. Let's take a look. With Donald Trump, Republicans have lost almost every competitive election. We lost the Senate. We lost the House. We lost the White House. We lost in 2018. We lost in 2018. We lost in

And we lost in 2022. The worst kept secret in politics is how badly the Democrats want to run against Donald Trump. They know Trump is the only Republican in the country who Joe Biden can defeat. You can't fix the mess if you don't win an election. A Trump nomination is a Biden win and a Kamala Harris presidency. Shots fired from one woman of color to another. That is not lost on me, of course. So that wasn't what I wanted to play, but just some reactions to that, going kind of hard

in the paint against Trump, not wrong, really? I mean, it's kind of weak sauce, honestly. They've had months to go after this guy, and by they I mean his opponents in the primary and the official Republican Party, just the establishment. Nobody's kind of lifted a finger to help anybody else who wasn't Trump. And so this idea that he hurts your electability is making that argument when Joe Biden is as weak as any president we've ever seen. So it's just strange to make the electability argument when the guy that he's going up. against is clearly diminished and clearly vulnerable. Yeah, she would be better suited if she rolled out this attack and her attacks on his mental fitness day one.

Yeah, even week one. I mean, she's now just talking about his mental aptitude. Like, she's just trying that. Like, he's been on decline for years. We've seen it, we watched it. We had to live through it. Yeah. So now you realize that? Okay, I guess. I mean, she's, I think this tack, though, is good, though, because she's actually calling him a loser. Straight up calling him a loser. This is Donald Trump is a loser. He's lost us the Senate. He lost us, well, I don't know, didn't lose him Congress. He lost to Joe Biden. There's an admission there that, yeah, he did lose to Joe Biden. But I think you're right, she could have come out stronger from jump. I have thoughts on Nikki Haley, but before that here was what she really said, this acknowledgement. Nope, she didn't win New Hampshire, but there are more states,

including her home state of South Carolina. Now you've all heard the chatter among the political class. They're falling all over themselves saying this race is over. It's not over! Well, I have news for all of them. New Hampshire is first in the nation. It is not the last in the nation. is far from over. There are dozens of states left to go. And the next one is my sweet state of South Carolina. Which might in fact be the last state for you, girl. Like likely. Although, and I do want to do a little bit of Nikki Haley, not post-mortem. But yeah, New Hampshire post-mortem about Nikki Haley.

Because it is interesting that given what we heard from Michael Shore recently, given what we hear from Nikki Haley, going a little harder on Trump, also given some of the whispers from that centrist group, no labels, that maybe they're recruiting mansion, maybe they're recruiting even Nikki Haley, that she might not, she probably won't be the pick for Veep. She's probably already burned the bridge with the MAGA base and Trumpers too much. She might even in fact potentially run third. party. I don't know, I don't know what you guys make of this or her potential threat, which would be a threat honestly, probably more to Joe Biden, but to both Joe Biden and Donald Trump. I think she would have issues running as a third party and continuing to be a Republican, right? Like you can do that if you're Joe Manchin because you're going into retirement and one last backstabbing of the alleged party that you are supposed to be loyal to and it's not a big deal. However, if Nikki Haley wants to have any life or career in, you know, public office under

the Republican Party banner, she can't run as a third party candidate and just cook Donald Trump. Like, like you can't do that when the presidency is on the line. Yeah, I think her loyalty to the party supersedes that. She wouldn't do it. It doesn't really, she doesn't seem like that type of a person. She's a traditional conservative, she's a neocon, and she definitely wants to be. be part of that party apparatus, it'd be the final nail in her coffin if she did that.

She could join just the hall of the Liz Cheney's and Adam Kisinger's, you know, I don't know what we call them. But you could distinguish those people from her, they explicitly and openly hate Trump. She only just started being critical of him a couple weeks ago. So I think she would really need to, but she's served in his administration, right, as they were criticizing him. So she would really need to hate Trump to actually consider something like that. So I don't think, I don't think she will. I did want to turn a little bit to the Democratic side because do you guys know that 21 candidates were on the Democratic ballot and none of them were Joe Joseph Robinette Biden somehow the president because and this is the politics of the whole thing right like the DNC

wanted them New Hampshire to not go first for a number of reasons obviously New Hampshire's incredibly white not representative of the country but also Joe Biden did really poorly in New Hampshire in 2020. So it's like, hey, let's start with North Carolina. And New Hampshire was like, no, we're not. And what's crazy is there might be repercussions for what they did, like later on in the convention, they might be bar delegates, they might be penalized. But knowing the way Democrats are, that won't happen.

In fact, there will be no repercussions for them not saying, not agreeing to go second or third or whatnot. But he did just want to say, this is a very successful writing campaign, look, and we'll We'll talk about other writing campaigns, but it also is reminiscent of the fact that apparently President LBJ also won the New Hampshire primary in 1968 as a writing candidate. And then he dropped out of the race 19 days later. So we can hope people, there's still a chance. Obviously things were very different then, but one of the reasons that there is a lack

of enthusiasm for Joe Biden, not one of the reasons why he wasn't on the New Hampshire ballot, but is his handling of Israel's assault on Gaza, 25,000 people have been killed. And Democrats are pissed, right? Largely Democrats want to cease fire, they don't believe in us sending blank checks to Israel on top of the, what, $3 billion we give every single year. And in New Hampshire, this has taken the form of a different kind of a different kind of writing campaign. In fact, they're writing in ceasefire now. So this, and in fact, some of former Bernie staffers, Bernie folks in New Hampshire have been leading this charge.

And I wanted to sort of just, because we'll get into exactly what happens, but those votes are going to be counted. We'll look at that. But here was their pitch to New Hampshire voters, Democratic voters, and maybe Republican voters, but anyone who was like, you know what, no more of this war. Take a look. President Biden, the voters of New Hampshire are sending you a message by writing in ceasefire for president on Tuesday, January 23rd. We need you as a president to do everything in your power to press for a ceasefire now. We need humanitarian aid and a peaceful just solution that respects international law and human rights for all the people of Palestine and Israel. This is what Democratic voters demand.

Voters you need if you want to return to the White House next year. On Tuesday, January 23rd, write in ceasefire for president, and let's end this war now. So there you have it, voters in New Hampshire representing what 80% of Democrats around the country believe, which is we need a ceasefire. They urged supporters to write in ceasefire and to vote ceasefire. Here is a shot from Dave Weigel, a political reporter with Semaphore who took this photo of right in ceasefire out in the snow there. Do we have that shot? No, okay, it's fine, imagine. Okay, there it is.

So this is, look, New Hampshire is not necessarily more progressive on Palestine. Just to know, 48% of New Hampshire voters say they sympathize more with Israel, while 16% say they sympathize more with Palestinians a conflict, and 15% say they feel similarly towards both groups. But I think it is interesting. Yeah, 15% is like who? I don't know anything about anybody. Do they have covered bridges?

But I do think it's interesting because they're representing, I think what a lot of voters around the country are feeling, which is like, no, we have to actually tell Biden who is, I mean, we're telling him every which way we can. He's not listening. People are interrupting every single campaign speech he's been given. That we want a ceasefire. I'll kick it to you guys, but I did want to play this video where,

you might think, what is, what good is this? This is silly. There are so far like 28,000 outstanding unprocessed write-in candidates. Maybe most of them will go to Biden, but there might be a lot of ceasefire votes. And here is what one supporter of this campaign said in terms of why it's important to write this down anyway. No matter what, President Biden's delegates have already been decided for New Hampshire. So raiding and ceasefire won't do anything to change that.

But it will send a powerful message to the Biden administration. And the vote ceasefire campaign received word today from the New Hampshire Secretary of State that all ceasefire votes will be tallied, counted, and reported, although it might take a little while. So I, for one, I'm hoping that ceasefire gets more votes than Vermin Supreme, at least the guy who just like has an actual boot on his head. And maybe more votes than, I mean, who knows? Paperboy prints, there's a lot of weirdos on this. ballot but you guys what what do you make of this effort knowing especially like this is not going to take away from by the Biden delegates i mean the democratic delegates are already pledged to Biden yeah it's we've talked before about how you communicate to Biden and what he's receptive

to or in many cases not receptive too but like there is utility in going about it in a way that he would recognize you know we they're the ultra left the super progressive probably won't have as much sway influencing Biden on foreign policy because he doesn't really consider them as key parts of his base. That's just the reality of how he sees the world and how his team sees the Democratic Party. But if you continue to remind that team as they as they pour over these results, they look at where he performed and how he performed in each different county and they continue to see this pop up. It's a it's a continual reminder that this will be a liability in Michigan throughout the country in November.

It's not going to change things now, unfortunately, but they might recognize long term down the road, hey, we might suppress turnout if we don't change course. There are people who voted for us in 2020 that were key parts of our coalition to beating Trump in 2020, who now are fed up and are sitting out. You can't risk that kind of apathy going into the general election. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you kind of wonder though, right, especially when you read any any reporting that you read from these DC insider types who have an idea about Biden's

thinking in regards to his foreign policy, specifically in the Middle East, I've read that the guy fancies himself as a Middle East expert, Joe Biden that is. Of course, he said many times in public that he's about the biggest Zionists outside of Israel that exists. He said that. And then outside of that, when you just think about the larger foreign policy apparatus, our buddies, the Saudis and the Emirates, bombed the hell out of Yemen for years indiscriminately with our help, with our weapons, with our sort of management, nobody ever did anything about it. Obviously, we're still selling weapons to Israel as well, and I just wonder, oh, and no, and sorry, sort of lastly, you know, obviously now we're bombing the Houthis

because that's, you know, the, the new, yeah, trade, allegedly. And they asked Joe Biden about this and he said, is this going to do anything to hurt the Houthis? No. Are we gonna stop bombing him? No. So like, this is their mode of operating. And again, this is a guy who said when he was campaigning that he was going to stop these forever wars. Bombing the Houthis for no reason with no strategic aim sounds as much like a forever war as anything else does. So I have no reason to believe that these guys are going to shape up. in regards to this freaking war.

Just today, a couple hours ago, it was reported that the U.S. bombed Iraq. They bombed Iranian-backed militias in Iraq. So on the Forever War point, we're still in it. We're back, baby. Yes, I would high-five you. I would high-five you, but I'm too sad. Yeah, I mean, it's wild too, because especially you've got a week where, no, B.B. Netanyahu basically said, there is no two-state solution.

I'll tell you, oh, you want to win the war is done? I'll tell you when the war is on, you'll know, you'll know, you'll know. And you're like, uh, right? Meanwhile, Biden's working very quietly, very quietly, very. He's everyone, always being real strong behind the scenes, really because he's weak in front of the scenes. Right. Is that your strategy?

Weak on camera, strong off camera. Like I'm not really sure like which politician does that. So what I'm trying to say is I think Jordan's right and I, you know, I wonder, you wonder that, you know, Biden officials and administration are basically saying, don't worry, this is all going to be wrapped up, you know, by November. Will it? Will it? You know, like, what is, what are the, what's the scope of this bombing campaign of the Houthis? What is the scope of the endless assault on Gaza?

What is that end, right? Like, how does this end? Nobody has any idea. I mean, the Israelis have an idea. The Israeli government has an idea. It is pushing all Palestinians into this Sinai desert and having them basically be subsist on, UN food aid and then the re I mean why do you clear out cemeteries it's because you want to build a golf course of course so anyway it's it's I will I will be

hard pressed to see how he turns this around but we have to keep trying obviously and I think folks like you saw there and just shout out to the ceasefire New Hampshire the ceasefire write-in campaign for the work that they're doing and you can definitely follow them I'm trying to find this, hang on, give me a second. Give me a second, my computer's old and slow, but please follow them at vote ceasefire. And there's other ways to do that.

And I think, Jordan, you might be right. Like, if he sees that vote ceasefire, got some votes, okay, you know. We do have a comment though saying next to YIT reporter, obviously, I'm writing in Jank Yugar. Who? I'm sorry. He's a vlogger, I think. Yeah, he's a vlogger.

He's a vlogger. He's a vlogger. Comey poison blood vermin, which truly a great name, said Johnson was decent enough to be crushed by hey, hey, LBJ, how many babies did you kill today? Biden hugs the baby killer, he funds. That's true, that's the first thing he did. But that is, you know, part of the mishandling of the Vietnam War was why LBJ was like, peace, I'm out.

I mean, then we got Nixon, so there is worse. But I don't know, you know, we'll see, Michael Shore, who we're gonna speak to actually in If you guys aren't members, be a comma member, be a comma member. So we're gonna start just swearing like sailors, Michael Shore is gonna be live, he's gonna be doing snow angels, and it'll be crazy anyway. He's gonna be sick. Yeah, he's gonna do one of the polar bear swims, but like in a frozen fountain in New Hampshire, it's weird. But I lost my train of thought, yeah.

But anyway, all to say that, Jordan, what were you gonna say? I was just thinking about Michael Sher down the snow angels. down the snow angels. I know. He promised us though. I know. Is it snowing in New Hampshire? It's just generally snowing in that part of the country.

Like all year round. Always, yeah. Yes, it is always snowing. But yeah, so we'll see how things shape up in, you know, on February 3rd, in South Carolina. Also we'll see like in terms of turnout for Biden, right? Like, meanwhile, have we heard from Cornell? I'm supposed to know this, but I haven't heard from the Cornell. OS campaign.

I was thinking about that like a week or two ago. Just nothing. This thing has always kind of been pretty haphazardly handled from the start. God bless Brother Cornell. I'm a big fan of his and his politics, obviously. But the way this thing was lined up to people's party, the green party, the pants party, it was just, it was a mess from the start. And honestly, I'm somebody who just thinks.

somebody who just thinks he should have just ran as a Democrat from the beginning. He would have got no institutional support, obviously, because they're chicken crap and, you know, weasels. Yeah. But I think it would have made way more sense to run as a Democrat and really put some pressure on these folks. I think so too. I mean, I think that was the point.

And like speaking of Jank, like that's the point of his campaign as well. So pressure Democrats to jump in the race to actually have a real primary. And of course, the DNC and Joe Biden are not interested in a primary. And what's so crazy now about not being interested in a primary, now that there's really an issue to push him on, which again is this potential hot war in the Middle East after supporting a genocide, is that before everyone was talking about his age. Oh, but he's old, right? And meanwhile, I feel like progressives were the one who were like, what?

No, okay, okay. I guess, you know, like it's like David Axelrod was one who's like his age. And now that there's a legit reason why he's unelectable. I feel like all the centrists are like, what do you mean? We love Israel, please don't fire me. You know, like that's... So I don't see his age as divorced from all the other concerns. Because as you noted already, Fran, he looks weak.

Yeah. He does not look strong. He looks feeble. Yeah. And when people look at him, they're reminded that this guy was elected in the freaking 70s, okay? Like he's old is dirt. Yes.

It's true. He's older than the state of Israel. And guess what? If he was out there with all this vigor and all this campaigning and he was constantly selling his ideas and his wins and his policies, people would be like, come on, this guy can go forever. But just look at the guy. Just look at him. But he's the jog. There's that jog sometimes.

So to me, his weakness on Israel and Palestine, can't be divorced from his age because the perception that he's not leading it's all tied into one thing I think it's all of a piece yeah yeah agreed and I think in terms of the the warrants in terms of the Houthis like Saudi Arabia is the one arguing for caution they're like can you like we really loved all those weapons that you gave us when we were bombing the Houthis for those 10 years but yeesh you know it's like when Saudi Arabia Maybe as the one who's arguing for restraint, you know you're on the wrong side of history.

I do think, and I wanted to ask you guys, what do you think about New Hampshire? New Hampshire is an open primary. Any, you could switch parties, go in, come out like Grandpa Simpson, you know, like, do you know. My kind of party. Huh? Yeah, it's open party. Yeah, it's open party.

Okay. Anyway, the point is, I'm not sure what we're talking about anymore. But no, but I'm curious because in South Carolina, there's not. not an open primary, I don't know if Nikki Haley is going to do as well even in her home state because of that. Whereas if there was an open primary, people could flip, people who are like, you know, otherwise Democratic voters or whatnot. But if people are locked into the Republican party, they're voting for Trump. Yeah, her team has made it clear that that's the strength of their path forward. It's open primary states. They listed a few. They think that's

where they could make gains. But I'm under no impression that they have a possibility of winning, but that's why they're staying in the race. Yeah. They're going to stay in the race at least to Super Tuesday. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what they had said. I'm interested in why she would get crushed in South Carolina, which obviously it has a reputation for probably being one of the most foaming at the mouth, MAGA states that there is. They're just like, give me more Trump and give me all of that. But this is also a state that's elected Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham, who superficially, I mean, they're the same type of milk toast country club Republicans is.

Nikki Haley, right? So I don't know why she would do so much worse in that state than, you know, her people do. But I guess, you know, those folks probably think Trump has a better shot against Biden like everybody else does. They're really doing this. I love how you see the Fox News commentators all coalescing. And all I think is like, you guys are really doing this.

You're really running this guy again after everything. Okay, let's go. A few comments before we head into. to members only the WAAS, great Jordan and Fantastic, I hear by W, Power Panel. Thank you. It is very late in the evening for Power Panel, but I take it. Franny Jordan and Waz in person, all three of them at the same time, has it ever happened before?

Either way, I'm loving it. No, it hasn't. This is our first time. And not only that I've never met either of you in person. Yes, it's the first time we're doing this in the flesh. Yeah, really sure. I'm big. I love them. They're great. I haven't given Jordan a hug yet, but wasn't I had a good hug.

It's fun. Have you guys met in person? No, this is our first time. Yeah. I love it. Love, love, love. Okay, um, oh, Brett Campbell. This pandemic relationships are becoming real. We're consecrating these things finally. You know? Yeah, it is, it is ridiculous. Any final words before we head out into our, into our bonus members section where things are going to get wild, I promise. You know, I have been getting a kick out of the change in rhetoric from Haley's team. Yeah. So December it was we're gonna win New Hampshire. A couple days ago, it's we've always been expecting a strong second place. So I just want to congratulate you on

your strong second place. You came in second out of two way to go. I mean, you know, as embarrassing as it is that Trump is going to be the nominee again, I'm just say that just as a country that like this is what it's come to. At the same time, we kind of get the democracy that we deserve, like, at the end of the day, like the people want this guy, you know, or enough people that can win him a primary, which is going to basically give him a 50-50 shot at becoming the president again, right? And so I think as people who were opposed Trump's presidential bid, which obviously the three of us on this panel are, I think we should do less like, you know, crying about just the idea

that this guy would be nominated again and, you know, just get about the business of beating this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, for some reason I find like that's really easy. If I was like, it's basically like being like, oh hey, there's a fire coming right for you, run. We're like, okay, that's easy. Like we could run in a week, you know, and I know that's not how campaigns work.

I know that's a very stupid idea to say we could run in a week. But if I'm there saying, y'all, we need to vote, vote, we got it because we got to run away from this fire, I feel like that's easier. But I still, I have to say, as boring and like predictable as this campaign cycle feels like it's going to be, I still think, and Michael Shore, who we're going to talk to in our bonus episode live, he planted something in my head around who Trump's running mate It could be, and were he to not be able to serve or be elected because of all the criminal indictments, because of the court cases, because of everything prohibiting that, like,

who could step in? I'm curious, maybe he'll have some more thoughts on that after, because I think that's what he was saying, saying Christine Nome might be a good choice, you know, or someone else who's fully MAGA, not Nikki Haley, who like doesn't want to ban abortion federally, you know, like that kind of stuff. Anyway, before we go, shameless plug, guys, if you're in San Francisco this weekend, holler at me on Saturday. I'm doing stand-up live at the Lost Church with Nato Green and Dialect Shemina Ryan and Karina Dobbins, three other political comics.

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Bye. Welcome everyone, everyone to the member's portion of Election Night, Primary Night, New Hampshire. If you're just joining us, yeah, Donald Trump clinched the New Hampshire primary, he won. Now 43% of the votes in, he's got 53.2% percent. of them, Nikki Haley, 45.7%, which, so this is like a 10,000 vote difference. Honestly, not enough to, if you're like a Maga Psycho to be happy about that, right? Like not enough of a distance between the two. And as evidenced by one of the greatest Maga Psychos, there is Marjorie Taylor Green, who I believe is very upset that Nikki Haley even got on the board.

take a look. These are fake numbers. Nikki Haley does not have this much support. She's going to come out and claim that she's rising in the polls. All these fake news media people up here on this platform are going to claim that Nikki Haley is rising in the polls. It's a total complete lie, absolute lie. Tonight, Nikki Haley was defeated.

The problem is she's going to be dumb enough and she's going to be a fake candidate and She's gonna keep going, and we're going to destroy her in South Carolina. Well, there you have it. What's funny about that clip is Marjorie Green clearly does not watch any actual news media because the line isn't, ooh, Nikki Haley's rising in the polls. She's the only other one in the effing race, like, or fucking there, I said it. Like, of course she's going to be rising in the polls. And that's not the takeaway, the takeaway.

Oh my god, CNN is chomping at the bit to just be like, can we cover Trump, Trump, Trump, can we just do Trump? Like nobody wants to cover Nikki Haley. So now all vote tallies, numbers, margins are fake. Even if you're losing. Even after you win in a Republican primary, it's fake news. The results, if it isn't utter total Trump domination is fake. Yes. Even this is fake to a sicko like Marjorie Taylor Green. That's incredible. That's a crazy pivot.

I mean, it's kind of anti-feminist. There's like not a lot of solidarity. I just want to be a good ally. Cat fight. Yeah. Well, I think so much of this is about how you spin going into the next week. Haley's team recognized that by the memo they released today talking about the states they see next. Yeah. Well, their path forward, why they're staying in it. in the strong second language, it's all about spin.

They want, whatever it's going, however this shakes out, they're going to try to spin it as this is a close race, because you've only really had two elections. So they're going to continue fighting and the response to that is, well, okay, it's not real. That's like what you're talking about. It's delusional, that seems to be the extreme rights response. Okay, but there are an expected 300 some thousand people who are going

to turn out in this primary for Republicans today. They're expecting record turnout. Yeah, in this primary. A 10,000 vote difference should actually be concerning. At least to some extent, you're probably safe, but it's not the blowout that Trump was guaranteeing and that a lot of people were expecting. Yeah, yeah, 100%. And it's not gonna happen, but it'd be so nice if a Republican kicked him out of the race.

It won't happen, but I would love that, just a bigger fish. And one in heels like Dick Cheney, you know, or Cheney in heels, I don't know what the line was, I gotta say. Rudy Giuliani, he's, yeah, he's got an affinity for the stilettos. Like who, there's no one even left for the Trump administration. Like, no, they've all been burned through, they've all got their book deals and are in court. Okay, well, let, you know, Michael Shore's been on the ground, he's been doing this hard work of listening to people. people who honestly maybe shouldn't have microphones in their face, let's be honest.

And he talked to one New Hampshire voter, although can we say for sure that this man turned out? Take a listen to what they say. I think they should bring public hangings back and hang people like Joe Biden. I think they should give every American an assault rifle and a handgun inside of their home. just in case a home vater or a child predator comes in their home, then they can shoot them right in the forehead like it was intended. I truly think he's a child predator, honestly, after some of the things that I've seen on TV, not even like videos on Facebook. I mean like on live TV while I'm watching him speak, the things that I've seen and heard him say, especially when children are on TV, is just unbelievable. I can't believe we have not hung him from our light posts or something.

All right, cool. I think the fourth time you say child predator during an interview, you are the child predator. I'm pretty sure that's how it works. But Michael, sure, you're here with us. You're still there, thank you for being here. That's a pretty scary thing. And you heard some from other kind of like violent and sort of very MAGA supporters. And yet you said recently that they were actually interpersonally very chill with you.

They were like, hey, come by my house. I'll put the roast on. Yeah, some of them have actually invited me to their homes. One of the people last night gave me a big hug afterwards. Generally, they are pleasant people with very, very sort of far out ways of looking at what's wrong with the country or what's right with the country. I think that the guy last night, the guy who was saying those things, you do run into some of these people who are really, you know, saying things that are not representative of the whole. whole. However, they're perfectly accepted by the whole. It is a community of people that come out and are together. And many of them reference the fact that just being together is part of the

reason they're there. And it's why I ask some of them if this is a little bit of a cult, right, with a cult leader like Trump and a lot of sort of similarities between the way that they forgive that cult leader as well as unified behind him. I don't, I'm not expert enough to say what a cult is or isn't. But it has a lot of the markings of that and a lot of these people have these very extreme views. Yeah, absolutely. If it walks like a duck, etc. We just heard from Marjorie Green very upset that Nikki Haley would even get on the board, as we were saying, even come within, I guess now 11,000 votes, 46% of votes in. But yeah, as Jordan said, it's not great when

there's this massive voter turnout and you're within a 10,000 vote difference. How much of that What do you think is attributed to the open primary process? Do you think that folks switch to vote for Haley or what is your sense? Well, look, I don't know. It's hard to tell and we'll get that with exit polling presumably in the next few days. I don't think this is a good night for Nikki Haley. She was as close to as two or three points in a poll maybe within the last month anyway. She also had her chief rival, Ronda Santis, drop out of the race, Vivek Ramoswamy dropping out of the race,

Chris Christie leaving the race, which should have impacted Haley because he was polling at 10 or 12 percent. And presumably all of those people would have gone to Haley or many of them because a lot of the Christie vote was in Christy support was all going against Donald Trump. So I think losing by this much, even though it's like you said, 11,000 votes, not a huge number of votes. But this was a place for Nikki Haley to make a stand. All of the possibilities for her were as good as they could be with Democrats coming over to potentially vote for her, independence as well. She's going into South Carolina on the 24th of February as a former governor there. That should be a place where she could do well. But you see a lot of South Carolinians going against her from Tim Scott, who endorsed Donald Trump.

He had been in this race for a little while before. Nancy Mace, the sort of moderate-ish member of Congress from the Charleston area. which is a bluer part of a, or certainly a purple part of a very red state, endorsing Donald Trump. So a lot of that had to, it required some momentum coming out of South Carolina for her to really stake a claim. I think this is not a good night for her. I mean, I disagree with Representative Taylor Green because I do think, I do think that, you know, competition is fine. And as one of you said that the notion that it's that even with a pretty big win, that you could question the winning results means they're never going to accept any result in the election, that wing of the party. Yeah, yeah, she kind of just swallowed up all the not Trump voters. Michael, it's Wes here.

As you're talking to these primary voters in New Hampshire, specifically for the Trump voters, what do they think is the dividing line between a Trump vote and a Nikki Haley vote. You know, the people that we speak to to be fair was that these are people that are coming out for Donald Trump. They've been coming out for Donald Trump before he even declared for re-election. It's again, and it speaks to the cultishness that I referenced before. And they've just been talking about how great it was when he was there and how bad it is now. And that's what unifies them, right? They think that the prides of gas has to do with the president in a way that it doesn't. They think that we are, we need energy independence. They think that wars that were started by Putin and Hamas, however much they were independent acts at that time

would not have happened under Trump. They happened because Biden was president. There was weakness there that they knew they could take advantage of. And this is, I mean, it's not unanimous, but it's pretty overwhelming the similarities with which they look at this. And I would say as far as what issue is there, it's the border. And they think that Haley wasn't tough enough on talking about the border. And they think Donald Trump is the only person who will actually close the border. These are people who still want to build a wall. Yeah, good old New Hampshire, bordering Mexico. I did want to pick up on a thread that you threw out there earlier, which is some of the concerns from voters if they, if there are like criminal, you know, if these

criminal charges stick and he's, Trump has found guilty on one of the many, many charges that he's facing in many, all of these court cases. And then you were kind of floating the like, look, the Veep really matters because that Veep might have to step in and become president soon after or before or whatnot. But it won't be Haley. I was, I, you know, I just hadn't thought about that for very long. So could you like reiterate that and maybe expand on it? Yeah, I mean, I'll say in a few different ways. Yes, it's very important. We also, the timing of it is important. Should he get indicted beforehand? Or if something comes to light that makes it seem like an And I'm sorry, should you get convicted before, like a conviction is imminent, the Republican Party, which there's no indication that it will, may turn to somebody different.

I'd happen not to think that's going to be Nikki Haley. I don't think it will be any of the people that he vanquished in the primaries. I think that they get to the convention. They think that a Trump candidacy is either legally untenable or just as a party. And again, these are not likelihoods. But the type of people that would step in and become candidates are not any of the people, in my estimation, were on the stage. But when he's looking for vice president, I do think that he's looking and voters will be looking at that eventuality. If it is an eventuality or certainly a possibility.

I think you also have two older people who are going to be the nominees as far as we know right now. And because of the age of these nominees, the vice president matters in different ways than it ever usually does. And I think, again, Mickey Haley doesn't seem to be rising to it. And there's somebody who's like Mickey Haley and Christy Dome, the governor of South Dakota, who has been a trumper and has not run against him or challenged him. As a matter of fact, endorsed him in South Dakota at a rally we went to. So I think that there are other people, Tucker Carlson's mentioned, I think you hear mentioned. Well, yeah, there, I mean, there's there not a lot of names that I could put out there that won't make the panel grown. But that's what you are looking at. I just don't think Haley is

one of them. I think there's disdain for Haley. I think these are people that appreciate loyalty. And among the MAGA crowd, they look at her as being disloyal. And if you're disloyal, then you're out of the club. I just want to have one final question then we'll let you go, Michael. Thank you so much for sticking around is about female voters. Speaking to women about reproductive rights, how has that hit in New Hampshire, if at all? Well, it's certainly different than it was in Iowa where the vote is informed by a huge evangelical swell among Republicans in Iowa. And it's really what put legitimacy behind Trump originally in 2016, because they said they were able to bite their tongues.

vote for him but they got what they wanted from him i think in new hampshire again you're not seeing the religiously motivated as much as you would see in other places but certainly uh we spoke to pastors and we spoke to people uh for whom the the dobbs decision was a high point of the trump administration and there are people that are coming uh that are staying with trump because of that and and look i also think that it's tough to gauge in a republican primary these are issues that you know even even in new hampshire you can't say that this is this is really row territory uh when it's a republican primary but they are certainly going to have to do something as a party to as we've seen in 2022 and even in 2023 in smaller elections to woo those people back to their fold women uh you know

the the Biden administration's obviously trying to do as much as they can the Biden campaign is going to be doing as much as they can to hold on to the female voters women who are outraged by what happen with Dobbs. I don't think you're feeling that yet here. You're hearing hints of it, but you're not feeling it in the big way. Right. Although Nikki Haley does stand out and saying like, well, we can't really ban it federally. I want to, but I don't think it's feasible. She does, but yeah, yeah, exactly. And people are going to look at her record as governor and see, no, I don't think they're going to because I don't think she's going to be there. But if she were there, they would look at her. I think women would look at her record as governor and the thing she said about

reproductive rights in the past and see that she's not a whole lot different from the three justices that Trump nominated to the Supreme Court. Yeah, not at all, not at all, which is anyway. Michael, you have a good night. Thank you so much for sticking around. Thank you, brother. Have a good one. You got it, you got it. All right, we'll see you later. Bye. And we have, we've raven the cold. That brother is working. I know. Are you kidding me? I don't know where I want to ask him exactly like what were people coming out of, like, well, I saw a few red hats walk by in the background, so they got the gear ready. I saw a Tesla, which I was like, that's a Nikki Haley voter right there at one point,

you know. Does Tesla have four-wheel drive? Because it's snowing pretty bad out there, man. Oh, no, it skids like a hard on a leg, you know. Yeah, you got to keep those things on the West Coast, seriously. We do have a little bit from good old Tim Scott, who's just. really eager to support Donald Trump. Have we felt this girlfriend yet?

Washington Post couldn't find it. Have I found her? Yeah. Oh, she AI? Well, he claimed to have a girlfriend and they sent the reporter literally to be like, all right, like, you guys said it, like, just produce a woman. I'll go back home. They didn't do it.

He just lied about having a girl, yes. But he proposed to her. Yeah, he's like a photo. Oh, he got a new one. Oh, I guess since he did. Okay. Recently, he did propose to his girlfriend and was sort of resoundingly mocked for doing for by Trump. But of course he'll take it because that's what Trump does.

Oh, okay, so he did find her. From the victory rally, Donald Trump in New Hampshire, here is Tim Scott. Real excited. Did you ever think that she actually appointed you, Tim? And think of it, appointed and you're the senator of his state. And she endorsed me. You must really hate her. No, it's a shame.

It's a shame. Uh-oh. I just love you. No, that's why he's a great politician. My Lord of mercy. So pathetic. Jesus Christ. Wait, wait, wait, okay, so someone explain.

I feel stupid. But what is he saying that she appointed you? Did she supported me? You mean he supported me? I don't. I don't think he got it messed up because Nikki maybe but Nikki Haley no we're not he would have endorsed him in 2020 or 2016. I think he's implying that because Scott endorsed Trump even after everything that they have been through together over Haley in this moment he's implying that he hates

yeah yeah yeah just okay and then he got his pronouns I mean for the right caring so much about pronouns, I get him right. Oh, God. And then I just, he got on the mic. Not to say anything funny or interesting, just to turn to a big smile. I just love you. Viewers who've seen the movie Django and Samuel Jackson's character will recognize that scene right there. That big old smile.

Yes, a boss. Like, yeah, that everybody will recognize that. I just love you. view. Yeah, so Brett's telling me, which makes sense, because I guess he did. So Nikki appointed Scott to the Senate to fill a vacancy. That's what happened. Yes, right. He's disloyal to Scott. That's what Trump is saying. Like, this guy's a snake. Thank you. He's calling him a snake to his face. Yeah. But because this dude doesn't know how to stop thobbing and buck dancing and breakdancing for the man, he went up dancing. He loves Donald Trump. He wants the world to know that.

I mean, Trump also needs you to be like a like a little bit of a person. You're not allowed to be around if you don't do that. Yeah, but you have to, you can't be too like too brown nosy. Like you got to, you gotta step back from the booty. You gotta like, you gotta be around the diet, this sort of smelly diaper that is Trump, but like not full face in it. I'm sorry, this is so gross. But I feel like Tim Scott's too far up the butt, you know? What if you guys had to start every single TYT segment by saying, just so everybody knows,

I just love Jane. I love them every segment. We let's now let's get into the news guys. My rate would change. I love that man. I just love you. I just love you, Jay. I just love you.

I just love you. I mean, obviously it wouldn't be a lie. No, yeah, it is. So weird. So sad. Yeah, the kiss in the ring part, but I gotta give Trump the credit, he makes everybody bow down and it's a power move to everybody who's a supporter of him that he can subdue and basically put down every single challenger and not only does he put them down, like they go

on TV, you know, he calls Ted Cruz's wife a Gremlin, then Ted Cruz is on TV phone banking for this guy on his behalf. We're going to see worse out of Ronda Santis. He will be in heels as stipulated by the Trump team. Yeah. Making calls, right? Like, this will be a whole, the kink, the kink is very strong. Everybody bows down.

That is just a powerful imagery, right? Like all of these guys that tried to take him down, they're now standing behind him and just yucking it up, smiling, and yes man, yes, boss. And this is why, and we have to wrap, but this is why, like, you know, having a dictator-like figure in political movements the world over, it might be good temporarily. But if you actually want to build a movement, if you want your legacy to endure, your only option is to remain in power forever. Because you are not actually mentoring or cultivating a new crop of Republicans who are strong, who can stick up for themselves, who can have. have like, you know, their unique policy positions or who can he even respects. So it is, that is just a facet of dictatorship, a facet of, you know, the Caldillo, whatever

personality, you know, that happens right, left all over, and throughout history. This is what happens. Now, the Democrats obviously have an incredible crop of Democrats. Oh, young up-and-comers, they're just going to kill it in the future. shitless about running at all. They're just little scared little boys and girls being like, oh wait, my turn will be eight years into fascism and then I'll do something about it. Jordan Yule, Wazni Lombre, why I almost forget your name.

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