The Young Turks - Unbreakable Bondi - October 7, 2025

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

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The guy! Welcome to the Young Turks, Jake, you're Anna Kasparan with you guys. So look, there's a lot of fascinating things afoot. So the first story about Marjorie Taylor-Greeton flipping on an economic issue is unprecedented. Is she the new mommy? No, no, okay.

Okay, guys, I'm half asleep right now because I flew in from New York this morning, didn't get much sleep last night. So if I say crazy things, please don't hold it against me. Okay, so well, that goes for the entirety of the Young Turks for the last 20 years. Okay, so, but I think, look guys, I'm gonna hit you with a lot of hope tonight, okay? Oh, come on. So I'm sorry, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna hit you with hope, then later I'm gonna hit you with joy. I'm gonna hit you with joy, okay, then see how you like it. So I'm, I'm in a mood for bold predictions and bold actions.

When are you not, Jay? When are you not? No, no, no. There's some dark days, but and the story of Venezuela, there's so many amazing stories in today's show, but the story on Venezuela has my favorite line, because it's such a hilarious line that actually reveals what we're actually doing. So I don't want you to miss that. So lots to get to, Casper.

Well, we start with Marjorie Taylor Green. This story is, I'm not gonna lie, it's pretty shocking. So let's give you the details. Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green has shocked the world with a statement about wanting to do what Democrats want to do in Congress. So what I'm referring to is the effort by congressional Democrats to extend the subsidies for the Affordable Care Act. without those subsidies, without the extension of those subsidies, premiums for many Americans are set to double. And shockingly, and I say shockingly, because this is uncharacteristic of a Republican lawmaker, Marjorie Taylor Green is worried about that and wants to do something

about it, Jenk. Guys, this is a huge story. Real populism might have started today, because this is not about Epstein files. She agreed with Democrats before on that. We're getting some tiny amount of agreement on Israel said, this is not economic issues. She's defending Obamacare. No, she's not defending Obama care. No, in a sense, she is, she is. So we're going to give you all the details. So you're going to see, oh, she takes shots at this and that.

There's plenty we don't agree on. But the very core of it is her agreeing with Democrats on making sure that Obamacare is not messed with by the Republicans. So because, but why is the most important part. So let's tell you what she's doing, and then I'll tell you why I'm so excited about it. Okay, I'm gonna be on my best behavior and give you guys accurate and measured information. Oh, come on. And so when Jenks does the thing that Jenk likes to do, which is exaggerate the optimism, I'm not saying discount that, but just try to balance it with with me.

No, yeah, but just real quick Anna, look, she's gonna give you the facts, that's what we always do on the Young Turks, and then I'm gonna interpret those facts, and then you're gonna agree or disagree, so let's have fun. Fair enough. So let's start with the fact that Congresswoman Green did state that she is not a fan of the Affordable Care Act. In fact, she wrote, I was not in Congress when all this Obamacare Affordable Care Act BS started. I got here in 2021, as a matter of fact, the ACA made health insurance unaffordable for my family after it was passed with skyrocketing premiums higher than our house payment. Now look, for some that might seem like an exaggeration, but that is actually an experience that I've heard repeated by many people, including some of my close friends, who went into the health insurance exchange and realized, oh my God, I'm actually going to end up paying

more for health insurance than I previously was. Sorry, I'm going to interrupt for a second, but there's no, no, there's a reason why. I just want to explain to people before we brush past that. It's an aside, but part of the reason was because preexisting conditions were not covered before. So once you cover people with pre-existing condition, which is almost everybody, yeah, your premiums go up a little bit. There's still plenty of things wrong with Obamacare, like the mandate and basing it on private insurance. But understand that's why that phenomenon happened. So she says, let's just say as nicely as possible, I'm not a fan.

And you know what, fair enough, okay? And there are flaws with the Affordable Care Act. We've talked about them in detail on this show before. There were also wonderful parts of the Affordable Care Act, including the fact that people's children can stay on their health insurance plans up until the age of 26. You can't get rejected for a preexisting condition. But the fact that there weren't adequate price controls baked into the Affordable Care Act, the fact that there was no public option, that those are some of the big flaws.

And she's referring to that in her statement. She also made it very clear that she does not want any federal money to go to health care for undocumented immigrants, writing that in all caps, no funding for illegals and any benefits for them. So she's very clear on that. And she added one more caveat before she talked about the importance of extending the subsidies for the Affordable Care Act. She said, also I think health insurance and all insurance is a scam. Just be clear. No, that's ridiculous. There's of course a reason for insurance. No, hold on. I don't think the concept of health insurance is a scam. I think the way

our health insurance programs are set up happen to be a scam. Yes, so that's why as we get into the interpretation in a second here, you'll see like this is way more nuanced than you think it is. So if she means we shouldn't have any insurance of any sort, that's insane. If she means our current system sucks, which I think you're right is what she means. Yeah, then she's right. Yeah, okay. So despite all our hang-ups, Congresswoman Green stated that young Americans are facing some pretty enormous financial pressures,

And if these subsidies expire, and they are said to expire, the problem will only get worse. She says, I'm going to go against everyone on this issue because when the tax credits expire this year, my own adult children's insurance premiums for 2026 are going to double along with all the wonderful families and hardworking people in my district. Okay, I'm gonna pause and comment on that because it kind of reminds me of what eventually led to widespread acceptance of gay people and gay marriage. It was the fact that people were coming out to their families as gay, and that helped to humanize the gay community. In this particular case, our broken health care system is obviously personally affecting Marjorie Taylor Green. Honestly, this made me think about Tucker Carlson as well, because while some might argue,

oh, his economic populism is all fake, I actually don't think that's the case. He's got a ton of kids, and his kids can't afford to buy a home, even though he himself grew up, you know, very affluent and all of that. The fact that his own children are having difficulty, you know, hitting the milestones that his generation easily, easily hit is part of the reason why he feels motivated to talk about our broken economy and how we need to do something about it. Now Green also referred to one of her signature policy positions, no more money for foreign wars, which I am 100% in favor of.

She says our country spent $30 billion or sent $30 billion to Israel in 2024 alone, killing countless innocent children and sent hundreds of billions to Ukraine in the past few years. All our country does is fund foreign countries and foreign wars and never does anything to help the American people here here. And she also called out Republican leadership, meaning members of her own party for failing to have a plan in place when it comes to helping Americans out after those Affordable Care Act subsidies expire. She says not a single Republican in leadership talk to us about this or has given us a plan to help Americans deal with their health

insurance premiums doubling. And she even took it a step further, everyone. one. Okay, she said that both, not both, but she says that health, auto and home insurance have all become unaffordable. And she seems like she wants to do something about it. Luckily, there is a congressman on the other side of the political aisle, Rocana, who is willing to work with her. And to her credit, she has said that she's willing to work with anyone to find solutions to these very real affordability issues. Rokana says, yes, unaffordability is the issue Marjorie Taylor Green, let's do something bipartisan to bring cost of living down.

So look, that does give me a little bit of hope because for the first time, probably in my adult life, I'm seeing a real genuine effort of members of Congress across the political spectrum attempting to find solutions to problems that we've been dealing with for decades in this country. Let's see if it actually comes to fruition because we still have many partisan brained, self-interested narcissists in Congress. That's why Congress has such a low approval rating. But who knows, maybe this could actually spark a new era in America where our public

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Yeah, here comes a nuclear blast of heart. Okay. Okay. So first to Anna's points, the overall healthcare system is a debacle. Every other developed nation has universal health care. They don't let people die in the streets because they couldn't afford insurance. It just, and they find it unconscionable. They can't believe that America has a system this bad, especially when we're the richest

nation on earth, right? So Nina Turner responded to Marjorie Taylor Green and said, you're right, the whole thing's a mess, we should actually get universal health care, correct. Rokana responds. Now look at this, Anna is also right about this. 98% of Congress is a wasteland, just owned completely by the donors. But now all of a sudden, a couple of champions have popped up on the left and the right, okay? So Tom Massey's championing, you know, real conservatives on the right and say,

no, we said America first, we met America first. Roe-Connor is just introducing every relevant bill in Congress, reaching out exactly when he should, etc. He's been an unbelievable leader from the left, and he's saying the same thing. This is about real people and their actual problems, which is affordability, right? So now, why is Marjorie Taylor Green in this group? Because historically, she's been a huge warrior. I've been a huge warrior on the left and she's on the right, right? So why are we beginning to find common ground in ways that are totally unexpected,

even on economic issues, right? Number one, the power of the donor class has diminished with some Congress people. The reason why 98% are still corrupt is because they're totally hooked like with an IV to the donor class. Like, oh yeah, oh, Big Pharma, hit me again, hit me again, big forma, right? Oh, big insurance, oh yeah, hit me again, hit me again. I'm mixing a lot of drug analogies. Anyways, Big Pharma should appreciate that. So, but now the folks who are beginning to wean themselves off of the corporate cash,

Rokana has forever been free of corporate PAC money. That's why he's always been one of the leading figures fighting for what's right and fighting for the people. So that's development number one. Now some Republicans and more Democrats are getting off of corporate pack money. And foreign government pack money, huge development. Number two, Fox News's power has diminished. Before Fox News and mainstream media, but Fox News is for the mainstream media of the right, had an assembly line of talking points.

And that's all anybody ever heard them in Rush Limbaugh. And they would always say the same thing. And so every time I talk to a right winger, it would be a conveyor belt of the same exact predictable talking points. Now Fox News is less important. There's a whole range of opinions on the right now on a number of issues later on the show. We're gonna talk about Israel and how there's this giant rift on that, right? Why? Because the shows are not, don't all have to serve Rupert Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch, for whatever reason, is insanely pro-Israel as an example. But also massively pro big business. He is big business, right? So the talking points are big business is great. Corporate rule is the best.

You better say that otherwise we're going to say you're gay. Whatever, right? This is the kind of weirdo things they do and they start the culture wars. But since they're not controlling right wing voters anymore, right wing politicians are now more untethered from them. And finally, the real world effects, especially on economic issues, are inescapable, right? Maybe you don't know that your money is being sent to Israel. And it doesn't have a daily effect on your life, right? And I can say that about so many other issues.

But when you, the premiums on your health care double, there's no way of BSing around that. So the corrupt politicians can go, oh, yes, of course. And by the way, this is the policy of the entire Republican Party minus Marjorie Taylor Green at this point. And they can say, oh, yeah, you're doubling your premiums is better. It's better if you give to big health insurance companies. You should have less money and the health insurance companies should have more money. Otherwise, you are Marxist Maoist, socialist, right? Well, that crap's not working anymore.

So that is three huge phenomenon. And despite all that, we have just the tip of the iceberg, right? Let me, let me, okay, I want to be fair, because that's not what Republicans argue, right? They don't argue, you know, your premiums are going to double and you're going to like it, right? No, but they don't, I literally think that's what they're arguing, so tell them. Okay, well, you're being unfair. Okay, and by the way, I disagree with the Republican argument, and I'm going to explain why. I'm going to give you their actual argument and that I'm going to explain why I disagree with them.

They argue, no, no, the problem that we have in our health insurance system or health care system is that we are not allowing for real free market capitalism, right? They're so full of crap, okay, I'll explain why. Jake, just let me make my point. Come on, go, go, go, go, go seriously. Okay, so they argue like there isn't enough free market capitalism. But okay, let's look at the pharmaceutical companies. The argument here is if you just allow for competition to happen, competition will happen. Except that hasn't occurred in literally any other private industry in this country,

including, by the way, our media industry is a good example of, you know, monopolizing and all of that. You look at the pharmaceutical industry. What happened with the EpiPen? Especially when Joe Manchin's daughter was the head of the pharmaceutical company producing the EpiPen. Well, when the patent was about to run out, and when Pfizer was developing its own generic version of the EpiPen, she hit up the CEO of Pfizer, this is well documented by the way, and colluded with him to prevent him from putting out their own generic version of the EpiPen, which would be obviously a lot cheaper, and said, here's what I'll do, I'm going to increase the price of the EpiPen.

And in lieu of a generic version, obviously Americans have no choice but to buy the expensive EpiPen brand name version, and I'll do some profit sharing with you. That's the kind of stuff that actually goes on. So unless you have, you know, proper regulations in place, you actually enforce antitrust laws. And we already know that there are already huge issues with that because you have all these corrupt government officials coming in and doing favors for these corporations. This whole idea of the free market capitalism never actually works out the way that these Republicans say that it will work out. No, then we agree. I know, we do agree. I'm just saying I want to give the actual argument they make instead of like mischaracterizing.

No, no, no, Anna, we're not, I'm not mischaracterizing it. I'm going to break it down right now. So first of all, we're talking about Republican politicians, not Republican voters, okay? Republican voters actually have their premiums doubled and they're not happy with it. They're like, oh, thank God for free market capitalism, because that's a lie. Republican politicians say free market capitalism because they know that's what appeals to you. It's a talking point that sounds pleasant and good and all American, right? So we broke this down back in the day when they were trying to get rid of Obamacare.

And they said, oh, free market will lead to deregulation through the states. And then you look more into it. And what that means is, it's a race to the bottom. So that would allow them to find one state that will let them do anything they want without any regulations. And so then it'll seem like, oh, that's a cheaper plan. But then it doesn't cover anything. It brings back preexisting condition bans. It brings back all the terrible things of a system that was even worse than it is today.

So they're trying to trick you by calling it free market capitalism when it is no such thing at all. Those are the same politicians, now 99% of the Republican Party, but also like 80% of the Democratic Party who say, oh, we shouldn't not negotiate drug prices. Well, there's nothing worse for a free market than not allowing negotiation. Yeah, that is the very opposite of a free market. So I just want you guys to understand that politicians use gimmicks and talking points and propaganda. So they could save free market, but the result of that in this case is it does double your premium. So the Republican politician is trying to get you to believe that doubling your premium is somehow great for you because of free market. Brother, you can use that word and that phrase, but it doesn't make it true.

So that's why I'm saying we agree. Yes, technically they are claiming it's for free markets, but in reality it's not for free markets at all. It's to help their donors get richer and richer. And yes, your premium will double. That's a fact. Okay, and then final thing I'll just say about this, look, I am, along with Marjorie Taylor Green apparently, in favor of extending the subsidies for the Affordable Care Act. But I want to be very clear about something.

The fact that we need to subsidize the Affordable Care Act in order for it to be somewhat affordable for Americans is a problem. It's a big problem. That shows that the policy itself is so utterly flawed that we the taxpayers have to fund subsidies in order to help our fellow Americans afford their premiums. So look, I know that there are a lot of Democrats who watch this show. I can see every time we do a video where we criticize Democrats, we lose subscribers. But you guys have to acknowledge this is a flawed program. Democrats promised, especially back in 2016, when Bernie Sanders as a Democratic candidate in

the Democratic primary talked about his policy of Medicare for all, all you heard from all the corporate Democrats was no, no, no, no, no, no. We can't do that. All we need to do is approve upon the Affordable Care Act. Have they done that? Had they even attempted to? What happened in the last election cycle? How many times had Kamala Harris talk about improving our health care system. Yeah, so but Anna, let me apply the same principles to the Democratic Party that I was just talking about with the right wing. So when you say, you know, sometimes when we're criticized Democrats, we lose subscribers,

instead of that's true. But why? We don't lose the core progressive or populist audience. They already know the corporate Democrats are a disaster and they work for the donor class, et cetera. They already know that Obamacare was actually written by the Heritage Foundation, the same people who wrote Project 2025, okay? So, but a lot of the old school establishment Democratic voters were bewitched, bedeviled,

bamboozled by mainstream media, MSNBC, etc. Oh, Obamacare is the greatest thing in the world, but the problem is totally solved thanks to the wonderful Democratic leadership. And they never even point out, every other country has universal health care, and by the way, on average, it costs half of what ours cause, half. Why wouldn't we want to get better coverage for half? But our biggest opponents when we go into that fight is not Fox News. It's MSNBC because they'll rally the troops.

Oh, no, bow your heads to democratic leadership. But Anna, now that's breaking down too. It has finally begun to break down for the same exact reason. Those MSNBC viewers and voters and CNN guys are starting to come online. And yeah, they're going to some shows that are like, Democrats are gods, right? But a lot of them aren't. And then you see it in the polling. When you ask about Democratic leadership, now Democratic voters go, I'm now also untethered.

And I don't give a damn what you think. I care that my premium is doubling and you're not doing a damn thing about it. But in this case, to be fair, Democratic politicians are pushing to do something about it. It's a rare case where they are. I'll take it. I love it. I'm really glad Marjorie Taylor Green joined. And lastly, guys, tomorrow night, because our paying members are wonderfully generous folks,

They've decided, like a three quarters of them said, don't make it just for members. Let's organize the internet, the bonus episode we normally do, make it public for everyone. Let's try to unite the left and the right and show you how to do a peaceful revolution and bring our democracy back. You know me, I'm a true believer. And I don't mind failing, but I'm going to try. So tomorrow night on the Young Turks at 8 o'clock Eastern, after the main show, 6 to 8 o'clock is the news show. At 8 o'clock, we try to crowdsource a revolution, organize the internet, and actually try to get our democracy back. So if you're hopeful like me, just even if a smidge of hope, you don't have to be as hopeful as me.

Just a smidge of hope. Come and find out, and let's try to do this together. All right, Pam Bondi answering or refusing to answer questions in front of the Senate today. We'll give you the details on that and more when we come back. All right on TYT, Jank, Anna, Veronica Tarriquez, Sala Aldeen Yeager, just joined. You guys who are awesome. And Eddie Jameson upgraded through the join button, you can do that. I have a controversial opinion. Uh-oh.

The name Veronica is hot. That's what I was going to say. Right? Yes. And Vanessa. Yes, that's what I was, I'm the king of saying Veronica and Vanessa are hot names. You see? No, I'm sorry, but it's just true.

Those are by clearly the two hottest names, Vanessa and Veronica. Yeah. Sorry to everyone else. Sorry. Okay, but now we got Veronica on our side, so we're gold. Okay. All right, let's get to a pretty spicy hearing that took place today. Attorney General Bondi, why did you publicly claim to have the Epstein client list waiting

for your review and then produce nothing relevant to that claim? Senator Durbin, if you listen to my entire clip on that, I said I had not reviewed it yet, that it was sitting on my desk. Our memo in Epstein clearly points out that there was no client list, our July 6 memo. And, you know, Senator Durbin, I find it very interesting that you refused repeated Republican request to release the Epstein flight logs in 2023 and 2024. That's true. That's true. What Pam Bondi said there at the very end is absolutely true. But let's keep it real. The United States Attorney General continues to be haunted by the fact that she is part of a massive Epstein files cover up. And she had to contend with that fact today

during a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Now, questions about the Epstein files in particular made her real defensive. So Senator Dick Durbin, who you just heard from in that clip, questioned Bondi about reports back in July suggesting that FBI personnel were instructed to flag any records in the Epstein files that happened to mention President Donald Trump. Bondi responded the way someone part of a cover up would respond. Let's take a look.

Who gave the order to flag records related to President Trump? To flag records for President Trump? To flag any records, which included his name. I'm not going to discuss anything about that with you, Senator. Eventually, you're going to have to answer for your conduct in this. You won't do it today, but eventually you will. I yield, Mr. Chairman. And her refusal to answer questions was,

the main theme of this Senate judiciary hearing. So I have more clips, including her exchange with Sheldon White House and even some Republican senators, but before we get to that, jink. Yeah, so two quick things about that. Dick Durbin's asking good questions. I appreciate it, but God, they're so soft, right? So she says, I would not answer that. I would have said, oh, okay, so you're covering it up.

That makes sense. That's why I asked. Somebody's looking through the records, trying to cover up all of what Trump is doing. And you're the person responsible, so I'm asking you, and you're saying that you're going to further cover that up. Okay, duly noted for the American people. I know, but you're awake. I know. I mean, Senator Dick Durbin looks like he's half asleep.

Yeah, that's because they're all like 98. Anyways. But good questions. And then she says throughout, oh, yeah, how about Reid Hoffman, who's a Democratic daughter, huh? And how about the flight lines? Right back at you, sister. You said there was no Epstein clients. So why are you talking about Reed Hoffman?

Why are you talking about the flight logs? If there was no clients, why are the flight logs relevant? Because I think there are clients, I think they are Democrats and Republicans, and I think you're covering it up. So it's kind of ironic when you go, look at the flight logs and Reid Hoffman and look at all these Democratic clients that don't exist. Okay, got you. So Senator Sheldon White House, another Democratic senator, also grilled. also grilled Attorney General Pam Bondi, specifically in regard to the hundreds of suspicious activity reports, also known as SARS, related to Jeffrey Epstein's bank accounts, which of course

were sent over to the DOJ. Once again, even in this line of questioning, she appeared to get a little defensive. How many of those Treasury SARS did you or Director Patel investigate? Senator, I'm not sure if you're concerned because you took money, I believe, did you from Reid Hoffman, one of Epstein's closest confidence not only once but twice in 2018 and 2024, if that's correct. But Senator, did you ask Merritt Garland any of this over the last four years when he set before you? This investigation has been going on. This investigation. This investigation was closed. Did you ask Alex the cost to that?

And Patel came to office. You said you would look into this. There were hundreds of suspicious activity reports. Some people would deduce from the fact that they are called suspicious activity reports that there might be suspicious activity. And yet you seem to have looked at zero of those suspicious activity reports involving Jeffrey Epstein accounts. While I have no love for Merrick Garland, just keeping it 100, Merrick Garland didn't spend months dangling the Epstein files above voters and just trying to entice people with the potential release or the impending release of the Epstein files. Pam Bondi, though, that's a completely different story.

Cash Patel, though, that's a completely different story. They were the ones who were enticing Republican voters with the possible release of the Epstein files. Should they have these positions of power? Now they find themselves in these positions of power, and what are they doing? Okay, what are they doing? Embarrassing themselves in these hearings? I just, and by the way, I don't, I can't stand the partisan brain nonsense. sense. Oh, but what about the Democrats? They didn't release it. Okay, yeah, you're right.

They didn't release it. Two wrongs don't make a right. You now find yourself in this position of power. Why are you part of a cover up? Yeah, so I was going to quote one of our members embedded dude on t.com who said pretty much same thing. We don't have to release the files because Biden didn't release them. So there, case closed. No, if Biden was wrong for not releasing the files, logic would indicate you should release the files even more, not less. So you see how wrong Biden was for not releasing the files. So that's why we're doing the same exact thing. What? And did you notice who she blamed there? Why didn't you ask Alex Acosta? I would love to have an interview with Alex Acosta. I would too. Oh wait, who was Alex Acosta

labor secretary for? Oh right, President Trump. Why don't you ask Alex Acosta? Well, there's more from White House because later in this hearing, he brought up some of the alleged photographs featuring President Donald Trump. He wasn't president at the time, of course, but Trump, well, photos of Trump in Epstein's possession. Take a look at that. There's been public reporting that Jeffrey Epstein showed people photos of President Trump with half-naked young women. Do you know if the FBI found those photographs in their search of Jeffrey Epstein's safe or premises or otherwise? Have you seen any such thing? You know, Senator White House, you sit here and make salacious remarks once again trying to slander President Trump, left and right.

When you're the one who was taking money from one of Epstein's closest confidence, I believe, I could be wrong, correct me. Heid Hoffman, who was with Jeffrey Epstein on multiple occasions, and the senator sitting right next to you tried to block the flight logs from being released. Yeah, you're grilling me on President Trump and some photograph with Epstein. Come on. If we're going to play this game, Howard Lutnik was Epstein's next door neighbor, and apparently had a nice cozy relationship with Epstein as well. This is such a nonsense way of handling, a situation in which a man along with his disgusting

groomer recruiter girlfriend, Galane Maxwell, who Trump was asked about pardoning again yesterday, and he's like, I have to look at it. You have to look at it? You have to look at it. You have to look at it. You already moved her to like the club med of prisons. You know what's amazing. These people are so disgusting. Even Laura Lumer's like, bro. Don't even bring up that disgusting hag. No, no, I know, but like she's like, don't move like, don't pardon to her. And she's like, you'll blow our cover.

Okay, she didn't have that part. I'm interpreting that. Notice another Reid Hoffman reference. I thought there were no clients, Pam. Okay. Who cares? Out Reed Hoffman too. I don't care.

We don't care at all. I don't care. I don't care. I want justice, I want to know how many pedophiles are running the government. I want to know how many powerful people who happen to be, I don't know, judges actually end up to be disgusting perverts who probably shouldn't be in that position of power. That's what I want to know. That's what I want to know. But in essence, she's saying, I'm not just covering up Republicans who are on Epstein's list.

I'm also covering up Democrats who are on Epstein's list. You must be so proud, Pam. No one asked for it. Yeah, well. Well, the perverts probably there is one organization that asked for it. Anyways, you mentioned the Howard Lutnik. Interestingly, there twists, video B5 here. Senator John Kennedy, a Republican, also asked about Lutnik.

Let's watch. Commerce Secretary Nuttnick goes on to say, quote, that's what his M.O. was. You know, get a massage, get a massage. And what happened in that massage room, I assume, was a video. This guy was the greatest blackmailer ever, blackmail people. That's how he had money, end quote. Is that true? Senator Is our July memo said we did not uncover evidence.

This case has gone through three administrations as well as former U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta. that, Pam, but have you, have you interviewed Secretary Lutnik? No, Senator. Do you plan to? If he wants to talk to the FBI or the FBI wants to talk to him, that is more than on the Don't you think you ought to talk to him after this interview? Senator, if Howard Lutnik wants to speak to the FBI and if Director Patel wants to speak to Howard Lutnik, absolutely.

Okay. Maybe we ought to get Mr. Lutnik in here too, Mr. Chairman. Oh, God, Pandy. Yeah. Pam Bondi disgust me. Absolutely freaking disgust me, you're a woman and you are providing cover for one of the most well known and widespread perverts, pedophiles, sexual predators on the planet. And, oh God, I just, these people disgust me, all of them, all of them, all of the people who are part of this cover up, Democrat, Republican, I don't care. They are not fit to serve this country in any capacity.

So she said over and over again, you saw it in that clip too. You know, this case has gone through three different administrations. Yes, Pam, but who's in charge now? Okay, if you want to blame the other administrations, great. Sign me up, okay? But they're not here anymore, you are. So what you're actually saying is, I agree with the previous administrations who covered it up,

and I'm covering it up along with them. That's not the win you think it is. I would like to go to the final video here, here because, you know, usually when you're cornered, usually when you don't have any real answers or any way of defending yourself, you lash out and start attacking people. And that's what our attorney general did during this hearing. Take a look. Senator, I would be more concerned if I were you when you talk about corruption and money that when you pushed for legislation that would subsidize your wife's company. I wish you love Chicago as much as you hate President Trump.

You're sitting here grilling me and they're on their way to Chicago to keep your state safe. Madam Attorney General is my job to grill you. Did you take money from Reed Hoffman campaign donations? Who was a huge Epstein friend? What became of the OPR investigation of prosecutorial misconduct by Emil Bovi? Yeah, Senator White House, to correct you for one moment, that would be the honorable judge Amel J. Bovay, the third to you. And I'm not going to be lectured to you about. another topic by someone who lied about being in the military just to be elected as senator.

Hurt dogs holler. That's my final word on that. My final word on that is if you're going to mention Reid Hoffman about 28 times, why don't you investigate him? I mean, he's a Democrat. You hate him. You brought it up a hundred times. You tell me that there are no Epstein clients, but then you seem to be implying very heavily that Reid Hoffman is one, good news, you're the attorney general and you're a Democrat, so they

would be, I mean, he's a Democrat and a big Democratic donor and you're a Republican, so there would be no downside for you, right, Pam? Isn't it super weird that you're not even investigating him? And of course, the reason she's not is because she's not investigating anyone, and she's never going to, because she doesn't work for us. She works for whoever organized the Epstein saga. I know no one organized it, no one participated, there were no clients, and we're supposed to believe this, nah, everybody's getting caught, it's a whole new day in America.

You could try this BS for the rest of your life. But every time she goes out there to speak, people not forget the left and independence. We already were clear on Pam Bondi. More and more MAGA despises her. How could you not? I mean, she's obviously part of a cover up. She's not even good at, like, defending herself during this hearing. It's just very clear.

It's clear as day. So you literally have to be so, like, in the bag for the Trump administration to just completely ignore what's slapping you right in the face with this hearing. Yeah, super last thing. If you're Maga and you're disgusted by her obvious cover up, you should get to know Pam Bondi. How did she even get into that position? When she was Attorney General in Florida, taking campaign contributions and then dropping criminal cases was Pam Bondi 101.

She works completely for the donors. In fact, she was going to do an investigation of Donald Trump's charity. Trump donated to her, she immediately dropped the case. But it's not just about Trump. There's a million stories just like that. Pam Bondi isn't the Attorney General despite corruption. She's the Attorney General because of corruption because she's so wedded to corruption. All right, when we come back, we'll talk a little bit about this huge revelation from Candace Owens in regard to where Charlie Kirk's headspace was at prior to his assassination.

And then later in the show, we'll talk about how we are going to go to war with Venezuela. It is insane. So stick around. We'll be right back. all in clear out. There's nothing more chill than financing an award-winning Nissan for just 0%. Enjoy the soothing relaxation of zero stress, zero worries, zero indecision. Hurry in because once they're gone, there will be zero left. During the Nissan All In Clear Out, get 0% financing plus up to $500 bonus on some of our best-selling models. You have zero reasons to wait. Conditions apply. See your local Nissan dealer today. Back on TYT, Jank, Anna, a number of American heroes, Gendigo, and Talija, which is also a really cool name.

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So many people were racing to establish that his legacy was anything but Catholic, Catholic, right? Like he was super de-duper, Judeo-Christian. It registered to me like more of a cult. So Charlie's faith and what direction it was going into would actually matter, right? It would actually matter if Charlie, and I never said he was going to, decided one day to become Catholic. It would have financial implications. So Charlie writes in this group chat just lost another huge Jewish donor. Candice Owens is at war with the very people that she believes are misrepresenting her late friend Charlie Kirk and what he was experiencing in the final months of his life. Now let's begin with Charlie's religious beliefs, which I felt and thought were firmly in the evangelical camp. And as we all know, evangelicals drink the Judeo-Christian Kool-Aid, this whole idea of, you know,

the importance of the modern nation state of Israel to their religion. Catholics do not, though. Catholics do not believe in this idea that there will be like a second coming of Christ. And through that second coming, those who have, who believe in Christ, those who believe in God, or and those who have converted to believe in God will be saved and everyone else, including the Jews, by the way, will perish. Okay, apparently Charlie Kirk was moving away from evangelicalism and moving toward Catholicism, which is what Candace Owens believes. She had made that claim before. Now, he didn't convert. She, she's clear about that, but he was kind of headed in that direction. And she had made that claim before. I thought it was a little suss because you need

to see some evidence of that. There was nothing that he said outright or did publicly that made me think that there was anything to bolster the claim. But now she has the receipts. Take a look. Was he becoming Catholic? No. But he really loved Catholic Mass. He loved the ritual of it. He loved the beauty of old Catholic churches and the stained glass. And him and Erica would go sometimes. Yeah, well, Erica's a cradle Catholic. You can go check the videos out, him debating with Michael Knowles, you know, in good fun. I mean, they were dear friends, but they loved kind of debating the whole Protestant versus Catholic thing.

So many people were racing to establish that his legacy was anything but Catholic, right? Like he was super de duper, Judeo-Christian. And ironically, it was Judeo-Christianity that I was challenging him on. personally, like privately. And I was speaking to him about the political pressures of it, the way that I felt because of last year that it registered to me like more of a cult than a true theology or a religion or a religious aspect rather. And it was back in February of this year when out of nowhere, he's the one that actually messaged me and said, I'm sorry, and said Catholicism is sounding better and better in February of 2024. This is kind of when we

started having that discussion, we should chat soon, Catholicism is looking better and better, okay? We should chat soon, Catholicism is looking better and better. So she shares that text exchange with Charlie Kirk. Look, there is this interesting rift happening amongst Christians and Catholics in America right now, and it's over the idea of dispensationalism, which is what evangelicals believe. It's what you've talked about on the show before, Jank, about why evangelicals find the nation state of Israel to be so important to their religion. But just based on what Candace Owens has been

saying and some of the evidence that she showed in that text exchange, it does seem like Charlie Kirk was at least questioning some of his religious beliefs. Yeah. So we're gonna get to a super relevant part of this in terms of Israel in a second. But a rabbi once told me, Judeo Christian heritage, it's like we really could have used that in the 1940s, right? Meaning like, no, this thing's made up from like yesterday. And so who made it up and for what purpose? I mean, it's not such a bad thing. Jews and Christians getting along.

I want that, that's wonderful, right? And if that's the direction they took the Judea Christian heritage that they made up a minute ago, great, wonderful. A new tradition that brings people together. That's not what they're using it for it. They're using it for only one thing. Hence, you must bow your head to Israel. And now I am hearing from a lot of preachers and pastors,

literally, okay, saying, I think we got hood. right like what is this and then they starting to look and they're going wait a minute these books came out when right and who wrote these books and for what they're not in the Bible none of this stuff is in the Bible right so there's a great awakening happening at this time and so meanwhile everyone in power is like shut up shut up stop reading the Bible go back to the books go back to the books okay the books we gave you those the correct position is you must love the nation state of Israel where it's Benjamin in Net Yahoo in the Bible?

Is he in Leviticus? Is he in Luke? Where is Ben Gavir? Where's like, where's the Knesset? No, that's just, guys, I don't want to get into the history of where the Israelis came from. I don't really, I'm not a religious person, so I don't really care. So, but what I do care about is people waking up to, oh, maybe this was not what we thought it was. Not people who are like trying to get you to love Jesus more and do good things in the world and love the Prince of Peace.

Instead, it might be the Prince of War who they're asking you to back because you think the Prince of Peace wanted a genocide? Come on. So it's getting absurd. Now Candace Owens, we're all supposed to condemn her because she said some absurd things. We're going to get to that in a second and we'll see whether we condemn her or not. Okay. Yes, okay. So let's get to the biggest revelation from what she shared on her program yesterday, which was, well, how Charlie Kirk was actually feeling about the pressure he was receiving from pro-Israel Zionist donors to Turning Point USA and how he felt about the notion of essentially cutting certain people from the conservative movement off and no longer being

friends with them. Take a look. So Charlie writes in this group chat just lost another huge Jewish donor, two million a year because we won't cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candice. Somebody writes, oh. Charlie writes, Jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause.

And somebody writes, so donor writes, please do not invite Candace. That might feel good short term, but it's not good long term, in my opinion. Like all groups, you're going to get a wide variety of opinions, that nasty free will thing that God bestowed on us makes life frustrating at times after the dust settles a bit, maybe. So again, this is 48 hours before Charles was assassinated.

He was very clear and he was very explicit, and he did not back down out in that Hampton's meeting, which they're all lying about, nor in this text thread. I'm not going to reveal the names of the other seven. And actually, you know what, I disagree with myself four seconds ago. Let's just throw in Josh Hammer for funsies. He's on this chat, okay? For those who are unfamiliar, Josh Hammer, I believe, was the guy who Dave Smith debated

at Turning Point USA's event earlier this year on the issue, on the topic of Israel, of course. And the reference to the meeting in the Hamptons was the meeting in which basically Charlie Kirk It's been kind of described as an intervention by Bill Ackman, who's a huge Israel supporter. Apparently, he took issue with the fact that Charlie Kirk had Dave Smith debate Josh Hammer and invited Tucker Carlson to give that speech in which Tucker Carlson talked about how Jeffrey Epstein very likely was a Mossad asset. So Israel not really loving that. Israel supporters, huge donors to Turning Point USA, not huge fans of that.

So that's why they call that intervention to basically tell Charlie Kirk, like, you better tell the line. And Bill Ackman's version of that story in the hemp is- I don't believe him at all. Okay, but it's totally different. He says it was Kumbaya, they got together, he was barely involved, and they were just trying to help Charlie, et cetera. So we've given his side now, okay.

That's been my experience with Zionists here in the United States. They're actually very friendly and they just want to, you know, politely make their case. They don't smear you as an anti-Semite. Never. They don't go after your family members and try to get them fired from their jobs. You know, they don't bully, they don't act like thugs at all, at all, go ahead, Jay. Okay, so let's note for the record, interesting, there's donors who were giving $2 million a year for pro-Israel positions at a minimum. He had a hundred million dollars budget.

That is unbelievable. And remember, that's not revenue. That's just people giving you money, okay? And so, and you know what, and now that we see the messages from behind the scenes, I gotta say you gotta give Charlie a little bit of credit for having the courage to say, I mean, I don't know that he knew anything about what was coming, obviously not, right? So I'm not referring to that. Just having the courage to say, no, I don't want your $2 million.

That's pretty admirable, okay? Another end, he was taking it in the first place and had a very pro-Israel stance for a very, very long time. So it's a mixed bag, mixed bag, our job is honesty, okay? So now- Hold on, I gotta just do one more video before you share your points, because some of you might be thinking, Anna, are you really gonna trust Candace Owens? They could be totally fabricated meeting the text exchange. Well, it turns out that Charlie Kirk's producer, Andrew Kovit, has come out to talk about

the veracity of these messages. Let's take a quick look at that. Start of this show to address some of the things that have been going around on public, namely about a group text chain that has been made known and released by Candace Owens. And I just want to dress it head on because that was a text grab, a screen grab that I had shared with people. So it is authentic. So there you have confirmation that the messages are not fabricated, they are real. Go ahead, Jank. Yeah, so, look, Charlie in those messages says they're

confirming the stereotypes, right? So now I disagree with that. I wanna make an important distinction. So they're like the problem with stereotypes is that they're applied in a blanket way to everyone in that category, right? So for 99% of Jewish Americans, Jews, et cetera, Mossad's not calling them, Bill Ackman's not calling them,

they're not part of any propaganda outlet, et cetera, et cetera, right? There's just normal people going about their lives. But is there a group of folks who are pro, Israel Zionist zealots in this country who do bully, intimidate. And I think they're actually using the tropes as shields. They're thinking, I'm gonna go do that thing, but I won't be, I can't be criticized for it. Because if I'm criticized for it, I'll just say you're an anti-Semite and you're saying it about all Jews.

So I'll use other Jews as human shields. And so I'll just do every one of the tropes because you're not allowed to criticize the tropes. Now the other 99% aren't doing that at all. Okay, so don't take it out on them, right? It's just the billionaires in America. Yeah, but kind of. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Larry Ellison, Bill Ackman, et cetera.

Yeah, it's the Ellison's snatching up, you know, social media platforms, CBS, installing Barry Weiss as the editor-in-chief of CBS News. Are you kidding me right now? You think we don't see what's happening? You have David Ellison now making a play to buy CNN. Yeah. You probably didn't like Jeremy Diamond's reporting. Did you?

Anyway, it's disgusting. What's happening right now is so utterly disgusting and so brazen. But we're supposed to sit here and pretend like it's not happening. Oh, it's a trope. It's a trope to acknowledge this is happening. Okay, great. I guess I'm repeating an accurate trope about billionaires in America, violating the rights of Americans, the free speech rights of Americans,

destroying our already super questionable media, news media. It's just pathetic. pathetic, okay, but let's do the throat clearing so no one calls us bad names. They're gonna call us the bad names anyway, Jank. Yeah, I 100%, but look, it's the last thing on that, then we'll get back to the main thing. So I've talked a lot about my Jewish friends, family, et cetera, your best friend's Jewish. They don't care. No, my point is, did Larry Ellison or Bill Ackman or Netanyahu call her and say, hey, are you okay with this?

Larry Ellison can tell me how my ass tastes. Yeah, how about that? Yeah, so. weird oracle founder going around talking about, like, yes, we're going to surveil everybody. Everyone will be on their best behavior. Yes, you're a freak, you're a total creep. Okay, all right, so my point is do not put Larry Ellison's actions on our friends. No, I don't. I don't because I'm not an idiot, okay?

I don't conflate a nation state with an entire group of people who have no say in what's going to. going on in Gaza, no say over what these disgusting billionaires in America are doing. No, I don't conflate the two because I'm not stupid and I'm not hateful. That's exactly my point. So they want to treat everyone like their idiots. Oh, if you say I'm doing something wrong, that means you're saying millions of Jews are doing something right. No brother, we didn't say that. We said you're doing something wrong. Stop deflecting and say, not me, them, attack random Jews. No, we're not gonna do it. I don't care what you're I don't care what you say.

So now, is it, was Charlie going to leave the pro-Israel cause? I don't know, that's what the text says. And the text is authentic. So now you could say, okay, that happens 48 hours before the shooting and it's irrelevant. It's just a random coincidence. And that's perfectly fair. We don't know yet. We, you know, the government says they have evidence on Tyler Robinson, et cetera,

and then some people are questioning it. I'm not that expert, I don't know. And I know for the other people, right now they're already typing at anti-Semite conspiracy theory. Brother, if you say to me, you must agree to the official government position, otherwise you're an anti-Semite and a conspiracy theorist. I don't give a damn, man. That stuff's not working at all anymore.

You could tell me to bow my head to the government and the donor class that runs the government, I'm not gonna do it. I don't care how much you yell at me or smear me, and the entire internet doesn't care anymore. I know, I know people have a difficult time separating things, right? But let me just be very clear, unless I see hard evidence tying Israel to Charlie Kirk's assassination, I am not for a second going to believe that Israel was behind it, okay? There's plenty to criticize Israel on that we actually have evidence for, and assassinating

Charlie Kirk is not one of those things. So put that aside, for me though, what I find super interesting is what is percolating right now with the conservative movement, because the young conservatives who were followers of Turning Point USA, who were fans of Charlie Kirk, were consistently challenging him to his face on the topic of Israel. So he had to defend Israel knowing that young conservatives are not on board, and he needs to keep this coalition together, right? That's the whole reason why Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA exists. But at the same time, he's forced to defend the indefensible because of

the Zionist donors who fund Turning Point USA. To me, that is a super interesting story, super interesting. I mean, there's also this thing, though, they're like, you have to say Israel didn't do it. Do I also have to say Afghanistan didn't do it? And Paraguay didn't do it? Why is that a requirement? What a weird requirement? Let's let's have the trial. Let's figure it out. Let's also acknowledge the reason why you don't have to say that about Afghanistan or any other country is because right now the public perception of Israel is in the garbage.

Let's just keep it real. The fact that there are so many Americans who literally just believe straight out or straight up that Israel assassinated Charlie Kirk. Whoa, tons. And that's not good for Israel. So for Israeli civilians, Israeli citizens, check your government, because your government is destroying your country. Yeah, Anna, it's okay, they're going to fix all that with Tatas for Israel. Oh, hey, I love Israel. Can we cover that yesterday?

$7,000 a pop. Okay, now the most important part. Look, folks say, well, you know, Candice Owen says that First Lady or France is a penis. So you have to denounce her and never believe a word she says. Okay, so if she says the sky is blue, do I have to say that it's green? If she says the grass is green, do I have to say it's purple? Like, do I have to hate vegetarians because Hitler was a vegetarian? Or can we use our own mind to go, I agree with her on that?

I do not agree with her on that. In fact, I don't agree with her on this, this, this and this. But hey, that's an interesting point on that. No, no, no, no, condemn, condemn her in entirety. But here she's not, I don't care about her opinions, she's showing a text, an authenticated text from Charlie Kirk. You have to ignore it, otherwise you're an anti-Semite. Well, we're not going to.

We're not going to ignore it. What a weird request. Yeah. What a weird, weird thing to say. And no matter what happens, like the answer is always you're an anti-Semi. Okay, no guys, we're super tired. Like not even tired, we're now amused by it, like it's gotten to a comical point. No, I'm not amused by it, I'm super irritated by, I'm actually furious about it because while you and I are strong and we're not gonna, we're not gonna cower, even when we're being threatened, even when our family members are being threatened, there are so many people in this country who do cower, who do just hang their heads, walk away, and refuse to say anything critical of what's been.

been going on because they're afraid for their careers, they're afraid for their families. In some cases, you know, it might be too paranoid, but even afraid for their lives. It's ridiculous, we live in America, we are Americans, we're talking about a foreign country, and we have the right to be as critical of any foreign country, including our own country, as we want. And anyone who tries to take that right away from us should be seen as the enemy. end a story, either you love this country, you believe in our constitution, or you don't. And if you don't, I've got no interest in you. You can call me whatever you want because I don't

value you as a person. Okay, I'm an American. You know, it's so crazy because I was never jingoistic. My entire life, I was never like this. I was never like, oh, I'm a big patriot. But you don't know what you have until you realize it's gone. And realizing that we don't actually live in a sovereign country, it just makes me angry and it makes me want to fight. Yeah, so Jewish Americans have been heroic in the fight for civil rights, protecting our constitutional rights throughout American history, right? Now when you have a couple of pro-Israel zealots pretending to speak for everyone, now they've gotten to a point that is so comical, Anna, that if you say, I'm for the First Amendment, they say anti-Semite. No, guys, no. We believe in freedom of speech. And like, by the way, an overwhelming majority of 99.9% of Jewish Americans.

So this idea of like, if you don't bow your head to Israel and never criticize it, you what do you mean? Of course you're allowed to criticize America. Who cares? Okay. Israel, you better not. Then okay. If you say you're against the first, like anyone who's for the First Amendment and says yes, we should be allowed to criticize Israel is an anti-Semite, you're, I don't think you realize you just escaped from a mental asylum, right? Yeah. And so these guys are totally nuts, but unfortunately, they have an enormous amount of money in power, and they use it to intimidate, not just all of us, but as we've covered over and over again on the show, also Jewish Americans. They're just self-hating Jew. That's a take his rights away. What happened? I thought you cared about protecting Jewish people. No, you only care about protecting your beloved Israel, a foreign government, not Jewish people. They had a problem with Dave Smith.

Well, he's, I don't think he's actually a practicing Jewish, you know, doesn't practice Judaism, but he was raised Jewish. Like, they wanted to ban him from being at a turning point event because they don't agree with his take on Israel. Like, it's just gross. Anyway. So if you don't ban the Jewish American, you're an anti-Semi. It's ridiculous.

How can you not think it's comical? We got to take a break. When we come back, I'll talk about how we're going to go to war with Venezuela because Marco Rubio has a hard on for it, it's insane.