The Young Turks - UPDATES On Midterms And Republican Backs Down Before Anyone Casts Vote

Episode Date: November 7, 2018

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Is that what you are? Okay, so this is the regular show, regular show if you will. day, and then we've got election coverage starting in two hours, and it's going to go for God knows how long, buckle up, and this time, Republicans, brace for impact. Okay, so I've got a thousand things to tell you. Edwin, our stage manager, predicted when we started it at 10 in the morning here at Pacific time that after 12 straight hours, I would run out of time. And so far exactly on schedule.

Okay, so dramatic announcement to begin with, polls have closed. In Indiana and Kentucky, at least half of Kentucky, Kentucky's confusing. Yeah, I'm not even sure that in Indiana. Yeah, it's polls of close somewhere, okay? We were pretty sure it's Indiana and Kentucky. Half of Kentucky closes, according to NPR, half of Kentucky closes at 6th, and that includes a bellwether race. That includes a race that everybody should be paying attention to, the incumbent

Republican in the 6th District of Indiana, Andy Barr, and Amy McGrath, the Challenger. So that's a race that could be a side of good things to come or another catastrophic night. Well, we're going to have to see when Lexington comes in. And will Yarmouth seat be safe? Although it is point, it is, yeah, I think he's, it's important to, this is a competitive race that everybody should pay attention to, it is in a district that Trump won by 15 points.

Yeah. So if Amy McGrath is defeated in that district by a couple of points, no need to panic. Yeah, and don't panic, don't panic. But if she wins, Republicans, go ahead and panic, that's right, that's right. Now, at 7 o'clock, and in about an hour, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia, all closed. 7.30, North Carolina, Ohio, West Virginia, closed. So look, if you're in the 48 other states other than Indiana, well, 48 and a half other states other than Indiana and half of Kentucky, I do need you to panic. Go out and vote, okay? We're massively in favor of voting. This is the point when normal media organizations say, now we don't care who you vote for a Republican or Democrat. We do, we do. Do not vote for Republicans. And there are no moderate Republicans. It's not a thing that's real. I know I was one. I left with my hair on fire and so is every other moderate from the Republican Party. So go out and vote for progressives. If you can,

can, Democrats if you can. Okay, and by the way, the good news is, as we're going to show you throughout the night, there are tons of progressives out there, which is not a sentence I could have spoken often before this election cycle. Okay, so that's point number one. Point number two, before I get into the breakdown of who's likely to win and not, and we've already got some calls, it's action-packed, action-packed. Okay, I wanted to first point out one of the fun things we're doing about the Young Turks here and why we could put together this whole entire day for you guys, it's membership.

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I'll take either one, I'll take either one, okay. And okay, there it was in the beginning right there, 27661, how's that for a memory? Okay, that was on Labor Day, okay? That was Labor Day of this year. This year, that's right. All right, so now let's see where we were this morning. 34,090. Now we're trying to get to 100,000.

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outs to you guys as we go along tonight for those of guys buying those sponsorships, okay? And I want to give out shoutouts later to the people who are streaming the young Turks in different parts of the country, Denver, Hawaii, Washington, but we'll do that later because I gotta tell you some of the lay the land for what is gonna happen today, okay? So we have all of the different sites that have made predictions for today, including the Youngters here. I did that at the end of last week, okay? So there's three particular things.

The ballot measures are not numerical. You can't track how many the Republicans or Democrats have won. We will talk about those tonight. But let me start with the House, which is the one that is the most talked about for a good reason because the Republicans now control it. And almost everyone, in fact, literally everyone that tracks the numbers believes that the Democrats will gain control of the House. The question is by how much. So at 538, they are the most aggressive.

They believe that the Democrats will pick up 39 seats in the House. So right now, it's about when you're taking the vacancies into account, it's about 240 Republicans and 195 Democratic seats. Okay. So 39 would be a huge swing in favor of the Democrats, and they would obviously. hold the house. Sabato has it at 34, real clear politics is the lowest at 27, CNN has it at 32. These are their best educated guesses based on the polling. Uger's got it at 38.

38 seats that the Democrats are going to pick up in the House. 23 is the number needed to gain control. Yes, so we all are past the 23 number. Can I add my number? Of course. Well, you know what you didn't ask, I'm not going to do it. Have I mentioned how good your hair looks? So I've decided to go with the number.

I was fiddling right around your number. I was at like 40, you know, I wanted to be optimistic. And I feel optimistic. The numbers ticked in the right direction in that last little bit of polling. I do not believe the level of enthusiasm is the same, just using old school political instincts, right? Like you can measure it, you can tell me some numbers, those numbers are worthwhile. If Democrats aren't more motivated than Republicans in this sense.

election year with this president, then that's an unpredictable thing, right? So Trump's the 45th president, I'm gonna go strong, I'm gonna go 45th. Wow, God bless your heart. You see, I put the range on Thursday between 38 and 50, I said, and I think, and so this is what I explained back then and I wanted to double down on. There's an X factor we're gonna find out tonight that's gonna be really interesting that I do not know and we're all gonna discover together, which is, How big is the hidden wave?

How much is the polling off from likely voters versus the voters that actually show up? How much does energy matter? How much does enthusiasm matter? How much does turning out your base matter? Because right now, if you just look at the polling, it's 26 to 38 and I put, or maybe 39 now, with Nate Silver moving into 39. And as I looked at the numbers, I arrived at 38. My gut says way higher.

In fact, I said 38 to 50, I don't know, but I'm doing, it's very uncharacteristic of me. I'm pulling things back because if you remember a couple of times I said, I think they can get all the way up to 250, right? 250, that would be a 55 point swing, 55 seat swing. That kind of thing has happened, but gerrymandering has made it difficult. Yeah, but you know, as I looked at the range that Nate Silver had at 538, it's actually wider than my range. And he has it from 21 seat pickup, in which case they would narrowly miss gaining control of

the house to 59. It's actually not, that's not even, you're not even, I must say, with all due respect, you're not even quite reading it right. That's just where he capped it as in the 80% range. But the fact is slightly beyond 59 is not really any less likely than 59. 60 or 61 or 62 is infinitesimally. So the range is really in that, you know, that's his box right there. So if you expand it, it could easily be 18 to 65 easily.

Yeah, now, so having said that 55 is how much you would need to get to 250. So my original prediction, however many, many, many months ago was 250 for the Democrats. That'd be 55, that's actually on the board tonight. It is possible. It's on the board. But in terms of what you, you know, what are the range of outcomes, as you remember from 2016, if you guys watch that, we said the range of outcomes was about 35% chance that Donald Trump could win, which we said was a very real possible.

And Nate Silver had it a little lower than us. And he had it, but it was like around 30. But it was right around 30. Yeah. He was around 30. We were around 35. And then everybody else was, you know, Huff Post is the one that really stuck the sticks out of my mind.

They had it at 98.4% chance that was going to win. New York Times was about 89 to 11. Yeah. And so we thought that was off and we thought, hey, 35% is possible. But now remember. So, Nate's got it at seven out of eight chance that Democrats are going to regain the House. We've got this range. But it is a range, and that's real.

So meaning if it turns out Trump's strategy of going over the top of the rallies and getting his, because Trump does not believe what the establishment Democrats believe. I don't mean policy wise, I mean strategy wise. The establishment Democrats have a strategy that Ryan Grimmett to intercept summarized nearly perfectly in his last article, along with Brianna Gray, it's called a Whole Food Strategy, and he didn't name it that the Democrats did. They're looking to flip rich Republicans in the suburbs where there are whole food stores. They believe that's the right target for them.

They're looking to flip people. Trump does not believe in flipping people. What he believes in is, I'm gonna get my guys out, I'm gonna get him angry, I'm gonna get him afraid, I'm gonna get him emotional, and I'm gonna get them to show up. He believes in flipping people off. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Those are two different strategies.

So maybe that works. I actually believe strategically that getting your own base to turn out, the Trump strategy is a smarter one, is a more accurate, correct one. The Democrats have a, again, if it doesn't work, then it's a sign that it won't ever work. That here you can flip people and get your base out. That's what they're thinking is that there's really nothing we can do to get people more interested. I mean, the number of people, just in little anecdotal stories that I just, you know, and I'm a big

disbeliever in general in paying attention to that. But there's so many people who are coming out to those. One woman in Texas, great story. And she took her, hold her oxygen machine along with her, and she brought her oxygen machine, and she opened up her coat, and she had a Beto t-shirt underneath, like 77-year-old woman in a wheelchair with her oxygen. And the reporter's like, you brought the two things. You brought your Beto shirt, and then she came.

And Beto showed up while she was there, same district, right? So it's in El Paso, and she was like, and he was like, why does Beto mean so much? and she said, because he's everything Trump isn't. Yeah. You know, so, I mean, there's- That is symbolic of the democratic strategy in a sense. This way they might be able to have their cake and eat it too, because the base hates Trump so much, plus you could maybe reach out to the Whole Foods guys.

Now, having said that, I believe in getting people out to vote. That's why I'm really worried, not about the House as much, but about the Senate, where they are running some candidates that I think de-energize the base rather than energizing them. Hyde Camp, but to be Fair Mansion, who's got a nice lead, so. Bill Nelson, certainly is not energizing. The interesting thing. But he's lucky because he's got Gillum in the state.

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of, yeah, read a great stat yesterday that in every election since 1978, there is no, when there are competitive races in the Senate, the, like, split, their toss-up races. Only one time has the number even been as low as one side gets two-thirds, 67%. It's always more than that. They never split them, right? So there are nine Senate toss-up races. Republicans would love right now to be like, hey, they win four, we win five.

Or they win five, we went four, we'll take it, right? Because then they're guaranteed to hold the Senate. Almost always, every side wins all but one. Hmm, well, that is, that's a giant mystery for that. tonight? The last three times, I think it's three, there have been nine toss-up seats. One party has won eight of them, and there are nine toss-ups. Wow, I did not know that.

I didn't know anything that that rule is going to be broken, it's tonight. Because so many of the Senate seats are basically tied as we go in. Missouri's tied, Nevada's tied, Arizona's tied, Indiana is basically tied. So you've got four ties going into tonight, plus the others are also close across the board. There's only a couple of blowouts on the Senate side. So as you look at it, almost everyone that I listed there, Sabato, Real Clear Politics, Nate Silver, they all agree that the Republicans pick out one seat in the Senate. It's only because of the way the map is.

A lot more Democrats are up for reelection than Republicans are, and it's mainly in red states. Now, next time around it will be completely different. It'll be the exact opposite of Democrats will have a huge advantage. In a normal year with a normal president with an economy that most people see is doing well, given the playing field Democrats are on in the Senate, you could, it would be reasonable that Republicans would gain five or six seats with a president, with a solid economy. I got it, midterms are usually a strike against the president. But in a booming economy, they should do well given this horrific playing field.

Yeah, and by the way, 538 says that they could pick up as much as four seats. So Republicans could actually have significant gains in the Senate. I said that the Democrats would pick up one. It'd be 50, it would, the final conclusion would be 50 Democrats, 50 Republicans in their respective caucuses, and with Pence, the Republicans would barely hold on. But we're applying, we're trying to flip Pence. Oh, yeah, good luck with that one. Just to, again, since there's no, we might as well try to feel good now, right?

Because it just might be impossible to feel good later. So think of it, like Republicans have a one in eight shot to control the House. And Democrats have about a one in five shot to control the Senate. Yeah. And so, and then finally on the governors, Sabato says 10, it's actually the most aggressive, 10 Democratic pickups, 538 says eight Democratic pickups. So the governor's races are very, very important because after the 2020 census, you get to redraw the congressional district lines.

So the governors affect the House races for a whole decade. So winning those governor's seats is monumentally important. We'll see if they actually do pick up that number of seats. Yeah, we've got to have the state legislatures too, but theoretically if you're going to gain that much in the state house in the year likely to do it with the state legislatures as well. Also, whatever the number of gubernatorial pickups there are, that's the number of new governors who will run for president in 2020. Yeah, yeah, they're all excited about that. They will all talk about it. They will all think about it.

Yeah, and so bottom line is, if the wave is real, these numbers will all be on the bigger sign for the Democrats. If it turns out that the Democratic Party found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, the numbers will be significantly lower, and it might be because of whether they turn out their base or not. But so far in the early voting and all indications appear to be that the numbers are much larger than previous midterms. So the base and the energy does appear to be there for the Democrats.

So in just a couple hours, we'll find out who was right and who was wrong. Okay, now, some of the results are already in. And the first race that was called this morning was called by a Republican against himself. So this was a little strange. It's Darryl Issa, it's 49th District of California. He's one of the most loathsome Republicans. He ran so many investigations against Obama with no merit whatsoever. He's not running because he knew he was going to lose.

I'm not the only one saying that. Basically, he said that this morning. Listen to what he said on Fox. What is your sense about today? I mean, you're one of these districts that could really flip toward Hillary Clinton. What gives at the end of the night, do you think? Well, to a certain extent, you have to write off some of California. My district was never in play this cycle, and so it was never funded.

Quite frankly, we know the results already, and there will be a Democrat representing La Jolla and Salana Beach for the first time in a number of years. But I have to remind people, I took that part of the district from a Democrat, and someday it'll be taken back. But for now, California is leaning very hard to the left. So I'm sure that the person who's running in his seat now as a Republican did not really appreciate that Issa basically declared that they have no chance of winning today. But it's true.

It's got about a 96% chance of going to Mike Levin, the Democrat, in that race. That was a hotly contested primary on the Democratic side. Colonel Applegate, who was a just Democrat, almost beat Issa last time. It was the closest race in the country. So Issa basically knew that the handwriting was on the wall. He wasn't going to win, so he ran. Later in that interview, he said, oh, well, I mean, I believe in term limits. And, you know, I've certain, you just said you knew you were going to lose.

Yeah. You don't believe in term limits. You believe you got term limited because you were going to get your ass handed to you. So Levin will very likely pick up that seat, and so Issa is right about that. It's a rare sentence for me to say, but one more thing from Issa that I found in music. Let's watch the second part. I think the net gain is one. There's only been one seat that wasn't defended.

All the other seats have been vigorously defended. We've been outspent, two or three to one in a number of these seats, Dana Roerbockers, Mimi Walters and so on. But there's been enough money to get the message up. Okay, I'm really amused that Darryl Issa and the Republicans are now complaining about being outspent. Yeah, that's great. Oh, is money in politics a problem?

Oh, I, well, Ben, did you know that? No. No, that's a very big news to me. And what is the complaint that they have about Soros, other than his religion and ethnicity? It's that, oh, well, he's a donor, he's giving money to all these politicians. Yeah, I know, that's why you should get money out of politics. So, but now it's, it's very ironic and rich for the Republicans to complain that there's too much money in politics.

And so many, and the fact is so much of the money came from candidates who are not taking any back money at all, that almost, the overwhelming majority of their donations came from regular people giving money. Yep. So, Issa, it was not nice knowing you, but it is great to see you leave, although, of Of course, a nice cushy landing, the White House announced that the president has nominated ISA to lead the United States Trade and Development Agency. At least we traded him out of his congressional seat.

And that was not voluntary. Yes, that was definitely part of the blue wave. All right, when we come back, more Democratic victories, I can already tell you six other ones that are going to happen, and then it's election day, so the Republicans, some Republicans, some right-wingers can't help themselves. So, of course, they went full racist. So we'll explain when we were talking. All right, guys, back on a young Turks.

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tonight, which we're grateful for. All right, so now, let's go to some victories. So very likely what will happen as soon as the polls close in their respective areas. is that we will have six new progressive champions in the House tonight. So you might recognize the first one, it's Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. So this will be part of the first wave. She defeated, of course, Joe Crowley, who's a Democrat, who was the number four Democrat in the House, and he was part of this, what I would call the establishment wing of the Democratic

Party. He raised a ton of money through corporate lobbyists. Cassio-Cortez was corporate PAC-free. She's a just Democrat. She had a stunning victory. You've probably heard about it. Now, the others, I'm not sure you have. If you watch the Young Turks regularly, you might have heard of most of them.

But if you haven't, here are the other victors from today that will happen. Rashida Taleb in Michigan's 13 district. She was slated to be the first Muslim American woman in Congress ever, except for the fact that it'll be a tie. because Ilhan Omar from Minnesota's fifth district will also win. The reason I say that is because all three of those are in very, very blue districts. In fact, all six are. Rashida Taleb was in John Conyers' old seat. He obviously stepped down, and she won that in a very tightly contested primary.

But again, no corporate pack money, just as Democrat, beat her establishment Democrat opponents to win that seat, Ilhan Omar, taking Keith Ellison's seat. Same exact situation, Justice Democrat, no corporate pack money, and the fact that she was not corrupted made a giant difference in that victory. Iana Presley in Massachusetts 7th District ran against Capuano, who was a good progressive, but did take corporate pack money. People preferred the uncorrupted candidates. So that is four Justice Democrats that are going to win tonight. So Ianna Presley will also win. So that's her right there.

Now, two other victors that were not just Democrats, but also wonderful progressives and ones that we've talked to you about before, Deb Holland in New Mexico's first district. She will win tonight, and she will be the first Native American woman in Congress. That might also be a time, but she's pretty much guaranteed. And then Johanna Hayes, Connecticut's fifth district, told you about her very early on. same exact story in all of these. An upstart, progressive challenger to an establishment candidate, and people did not give her a chance. She's an incredible fighter, Johanna Hayes, and she won

as well. Now, it just so happens that those six that are guaranteed victories all happen to be women of color. So they thought it might be the year of the woman. It has certainly started that way. And so that is, in a lot of ways, what scares the Trump voters. So, So to us, that looks like wonderful diversity, that looks like America, and to the Republican voters who vote for Trump, that looks like a new face of America they are not comfortable with. But whether they're comfortable or not, here they come. To many Democrats, the best way to take on Trump is with a sort of a middle-aged businessman, very business friendly, former Republican who switched parties recently.

That's right. Again, Ryan Grimm at the Intercept wrote about this. The ideal candidate, according to the Democratic establishment, he's reporting on it, right? He talks to the Democratic consultants, lobbyists, congressional leaders. They love people who are business owners, who are veterans, former Republicans, and the cherry on top is if you're a former prosecutor. So that is their go-to move. Now, what they never ask is, what's your policies?

Right, I mean, I'm all four. There are groups recruiting veterans to run. I'm all for veterans. I imagine that I'm for the veterans who don't want to make other veterans, right? And of course, as we've seen now, hopefully there'll be a lot more prosecutors because as we've seen lately, there have been some really good prosecutors elected who are rethinking what it means to be a prosecutor, and I would be very happy if down the road those people entered Congress.

Well, Wesley Bell beat McCullough in St. Louis, in Missouri, and he's a wonderful prosecutor, and he's actually going to look out for everybody in that community. So there's some great prosecutors out there that are going to do criminal justice reform. Veterans, prosecutors, businessmen, Christine Holquist, would be the first transgender governor in American history in Vermont. She's a former CEO, okay? So, but do I care that they're a CEO or a veteran or a prosecutor? No, I care about their policies.

So, hey, I'm a veteran means nothing to me. Hey, I'm a veteran who's gonna fight for you means everything to me. So, I mean, you saw, of course, you guys know how much we care about Richard Ojeda. Why do we care about him? It's not even his policies are the most progressive, I've said that a thousand times now. It's said he has a fighting spirit and he's a populist. Now, he's a veteran who doesn't mind fighting back. They challenged him because he doesn't want as many wars.

He's got 16 medals. And he went and did an ad where he said, I got the, my friends who I went to war with who didn't make it back. I got their names tattooed on my back. You're going to challenge my military record? He's like, no, I'm going to fight. I fought for this country and I'm going to fight for you. How dare she, Carol Miller, okay?

I love that ad. That's a veteran I love. It depends. What is your policy position? All six of these women won because they ran uncorrupted and really strong progressive. There's an interesting, just, you know, Harley Ruda is the guy running against Dana Roerbacker in the 49th District of California. And Harley Root is a businessman.

He moves his arms super awkwardly, right? When he says he's a, he was a long, he's been a Republican almost all his life. He gave money to John Kasich in 2016. I know. Now, that said, he said he's the only Republican he says he's voted for lately because they're friends and he gave money to him. It's a little tough to believe. But he claims to want free tuition at public universities and Medicare for all.

Yeah. So, okay, well, if that's what you're campaigning on. Yeah, he came in here, he came in the studio, we talked it out, and no, he's running as a progressive. Look, all I care about is policy. So look, one part of the jury has definitely come in. The rest of the, we're gonna see tonight. So there's a question about, is it better to run a progressive populist or one of these corporate Dems, you know, the profile we just laid out for you guys in red districts? We argue better to run as a populace like as Ojetta has done.

Whether he wins or loses tonight, he closed a 49 point lead. That is near miraculous, right? Kara Eastman, wonderful job in Nebraska, I can go on and on. We think it's way better to do that in red districts, but we're gonna find out. But in blue districts, they had no case to begin with. They said, no, no, no, even in the blue districts, we should have really corporate Democrats. Why? That makes no sense at all.

In blue districts, we should have really progressive congressman and representatives. Like in the, you know, the race that they intercept reported on that had the audio of Steny Hoyer pressuring the more progressive candidate to get out to make way for Jason Crow, former Army Ranger, law firm partner. And it's a district, Mike Kaufman is, I think it's his second term, but like he's been, Mike Kaufman has scrambled, like he's just, all he does is flip-plop. And he's like, I'm totally against Trump. I mean, I gotta stand with Trump.

He's my guy, but not all the time, right? But Hillary Clinton won that district by nine points. Oh, why are you flip-flopping on Trump? Hillary won the district by nine. Any old blue just won't do. It should have been Greg Edwards. Anyway, so bottom line is right now, based on their wins already, the jury's in on blue districts.

Blue districts are going to go to real progressives that are uncorrupted, whether the establishment likes it or they don't. It has begun that wave against the Democratic establishment is here, it's already on shore. So, and there's pretty much nothing they can do to stop it. So I love that. That is mission accomplished. Now we move on to red districts.

One percent of the districts reporting in Indiana, I guess the polls did close. Yes. And Joe Donnelly is only down by 25 points. Oh boy. Okay. Whatever, it's 1%. No, it doesn't mean anything, but you know, as we say over and over again in these, nights. It doesn't mean anything until it does. Yeah, I mean, it's not, he's down 25 points.

I mean, it's not, I mean, there are, he's now down barely less than, I mean, there, there have been 48,000 votes cast. It's not like, it's not like no votes have been cast. They've counted and he's down 28,000 to 16,000. So, look, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I can't stand the way Joe Donnelly ran that campaign. And, and I've also said this a hundred times. If Joe Donnelly, if I lived in Indiana, I'd vote for him because he's, at least is relatively socially liberal, although he's economically, disastrously conservative, you ask me. So there is a difference between him and the Republican.

But you have to go and find a difference, whereas you would do way better if you explain the difference and got your side of the vote. All right, before we ran out of time, I want to do one more quick story here. So in Georgia, we've got a very, very important governor's race, Stacey Abrams versus Brian Kemp. We've talked a lot about this race, partly because Brian Kemp keeps change. beating, and he's a notorious liar. And now in this case, it's not Kemp, it's an outside group that is deeply racist.

Hold, I know the right wing loves to cry, oh no, you can't call people racist. If you don't think this robocall is racist, then you're definitely 100% racist yourself. Now that's a big statement, so but now you're gonna listen to it. This is the robocall that went out pretending to be Oprah Winfrey, I mean, which is hilarious as you'll see in a second. Because Oprah Winfrey backs Stacey Abrams, the Democrat in that race. And here's what the robocall that went into Georgia said. Watch.

This is the magical Negro, Oprah Winfrey, asking you to make my fellow Negro Stacey Abrams, the governor of Georgia. Years ago, the Jews who owned the American media saw something in me, the ability to trick dumb white women into thinking I was like them, and to do, read, and think what I told them to. see that same potential in Stacey Abrams, where others see a poor man's Aunt Jemima, I see someone white women can be tricked into voting for, especially the fat ones. And so I promise that every single person who votes for Stacey Abrams, we're going to get a new car.

So you get a car, and you get a car, and you get a car, and you get a car, and you get a car, everybody gets a car. And as far as the race to wear whites who are in the way, don't worry about them. Like I said in that famous interview in 2013, white racists just have to die. I have a very tough time. First of all, I don't think that was Oprah Winfrey. I don't know. I don't know the minds of racists, but did he think that anybody was going to think that was Oprah Winfrey?

No, I think that's just a, that's an attempt at a joke by a racist. Right, no question. There's no, because I don't, what's the purpose of that? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out. But you're intent that somebody's going to hear that and think, oh, Oprah supported Stacy Abrams, I'm out? Like, who's getting that call? Yeah, I think that's-

Yeah, I guess that's who it is. Yeah, here's my best guess. So it's a real site, I don't want to give you the exact web interest because I don't want to promote them, but it's basically a call road to power, okay? So, and the Anti-Defamation League tracks them, they are unsurprisingly, deeply racist and deeply anti-Semitic, as you just heard. And they have been for a long time. So it's a real group that did this, and their attempt is to actually defeat Stacey Abrams.

So I think that what they think is, they make the same mistake everybody does, plus a lot more. The one that everybody does is look at things from their perspective. So I think they think if we get this to conservative voters in Georgia, they'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't want that, in his words, negress, Stacey Abrams winning. And that's what these Democrats think, that everybody gets a car. if we elect Stacey Abrams. It's just handing out money to black people. Right.

And so we'll turn it. We'll get some people to show up to vote because we'll make them realize through this. Yeah, I think he thinks he's good. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's pretty clear. But I heard on, I was listening to POTUS radio, I know we got to take a break, but today, it's very easy to do that to set up. And the guy said, by going to the dark web, I've never been. I haven't been invited.

And I don't like to go places where I haven't been invited. But you go into the dark web and then it's very easy to set up a robocall. And your computer just blasts it out. Well look, I went to the dark web once and I said, oh, so you think the darkness is your ally. I was born in it. Okay, no, but I wanted to share with you guys that Oprah responded. So let's watch your response. I heard people were making racist robocalls in my name against Stacey Abrams, who I am 100% for in Georgia.

I just want to say, Jesus don't like ugly, mm-mm, and we know what to do about that. Vote. Tomorrow, show up and show out and vote. They are. record turnout in Georgia so far in early voting already. Some guy said he waited in line four and a half hours to vote. Yeah, well, there's two reasons for that. One, because Kemp made it extremely difficult to vote in Georgia, especially for people

who are more likely to be Democrats than African Americans. Secondly, it didn't work. So people are like, you're trying to suppress my vote, not on my watch. Real quick, the same thing. 70-year-old guy said he waited four and a half hours, never waited that long to vote in his entire life cast his vote for Stacey Abrams for governor. When asked why, he said, because Trump is an a-hole misogynist, racist. So they showed up, and I hope that Kemp is thrown out.

And so we're going to find out later tonight if the force of darkness in case of the dark web and the racist win and Kemp wins. And I put him in that category not because he's as racist and anti-Semitic as that robocall. He didn't do that call. And he condemned it later, okay? But I put him in that category because he did something worse in essence. That's right, much worse, yeah. Yeah, instead of making a call, he made a real difference in the world.

He tried to make sure that less black people and less Democrats could vote when he runs that election. He runs his own election because he's the current secretary of state. And denying people to write the vote is worse. And that's what he did. And we're gonna see tonight if unfortunately that worked or if enough people said not on our watch, we're gonna stay here as long as it takes to make sure that that you don't get away with it. Okay, we gotta take a quick break when we come back. More hosts are joining us.

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You got superheroes tattooed on your... Oh, I like that. Green Lantern. It's like TYRT Lantern. All right, so let me read a couple comments and then we got another story for you guys. And Ben will give us updates. You got an update right now? I got an update.

Yeah, it's a little, I mean, it's fairly meaningless. But in the 6th District of Kentucky where the polls did close, it was a big lead for Andy Barr. He was way ahead. And now Amy McGrath has moved ahead by about 1,000 votes with still almost nobody voting, 1,000 votes in, but it's just fun to... Yeah, but on the other hand, here comes Amy McGrath! Yeah. Okay, the bar might be low, but it might be about...

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Oh, is that right? Yeah, he's only down 28 points right now. Jesus Christ. I got it. Whatever. There's no Indianapolis is where all his votes are. But I got it. It's still 2% in and he's down 17.

30,000 votes, 62%. We might as well furthering this sports analogy. Does he have a 20 left? He needs to call a 20. I think she's like Phil Jackson, let them play through it. Just play through it? No, no. Yeah, there's no time off right now.

All right. All right. Okay. So, let me just read a couple of folks from our member section. Rev. Susie 321 says, being from District 3, West Virginia, where Ojetta is running, I just get a kick out of every time Jenks says, Carol Miller. I just have to laugh out. loud.

So guys, we're gonna run those famous OJeta ads for you guys a little bit later in the show. We're gonna run the Cruz ad that we ran on your behalf a little bit later in the show as well. And you know what else happens a little later in the show? We find out if Ted Cruz lost. We find out if Ojeda won or if Carol Miller won. In which case we'll say, how dare she? And we'll say, am I, are we angry?

That's an understatement, okay. So, man, like, so those moments, guys, and it's going to happen real soon, just a couple hours, when those results come in and it's over, and you either get a damn it, or yes, and there's a lot of them waiting out there. There's Gilman, Florida, there's Stacey Abrams in Georgia, there's James Thompson in Kansas, and I could go on and on, I can give you hundreds of them, right? And we are going to give you hundreds of them in a little bit. So far, just Indiana and Kentucky have closed and others are on the way.

Obviously at 8 o'clock, we have a ton of closings, which is in a little bit past an hour, okay? But Gabby Marita says record turnout in Georgia, but also record cheating on the part of Republicans. So it's a tight contest in a sense there. Last one, Matt says, what? I've over thought I had America figured out and then I hear that robocall. I can't believe that in 2018, it can actually be a thing, very sad. Well, we hear you, brother. We'll try to read more of your comments as we go.

along. Now, I, we have another story for you guys, okay? So, Sean Hannity was very clear before a rally last night that Trump attended, right? It was Trump's rally. Sean Handy was going to go there and interview Trump, and he did. And he put out a tweet ahead of time saying, in spite of reports, I will be doing a live show from Cape Girardue, I think that sounds pronounced. Gerardo.

Gerardo, because you're from Missouri, you know. I was going to go with Girardu, but I was pretty sure that was wrong. Okay, Gerardo, and interviewing President Trump before the rally. To be clear, I will not be on stage campaigning with the president. I am covering final rally for my show, something I've done in every election in the past. So- Has to be clear. He was very clear.

Okay. So color would be surprised when I saw this. By the way, all those people in the back are fake news. Mr. President, I did an opening monologue today, and I had no idea you were going to invite me up here. And the one thing that has made and defined your presidency more than anything else, promises made, promises kept, four and a half million new American jobs, 4.3 million Americans off food stamps, four million Americans

out of poverty, and we're not dropping cash loads and cargo planes of cash to Iranian mullers that chant death to America. Mr. President, thank you. Mr. President, thank you. I will not be on that stage. To be clear, he

wasn't up there. He was not up there. He was not up there on the stage. Also, one thing is defined to your presidency. Promise is made. Oh, look, there's a sign that says that there, too. And it's, of course, the most ironic statement of all time. There's never been a person in American politics that's lied more than Donald Trump. That's a fact and it's been documented. You know that it's, he averages eight and a half lies a day, according to fact checkers.

It's amazing. So now, and I can get into the Mullah thing. So obviously it's funny that he showed up on stage when he was supposed, when he said he wasn't going to, you know, all of it was full lies. Jared, you were saying that it's trying to praise. Well, yeah, as soon as he said to the fake news back there, you guys are all fake, and he looked over at his, I don't know, there's many names that just came in my head. And I'm not going to say, but his parental figure.

And he said, did I do okay there, Donald? Yeah, kind of. Did I do okay, Donald? The biggest smile, like, I need this approval. There's been always supporters of presidents and political figures all the time. There's rabid supporters on our side. But I'm not sure, I'm even, I get uncomfortable when I see people that are, that are progressive, that look at someone that's a progressive figure, and then go, okay, you're like, is that what you

want me to say? Like, calm down, be yourself. That's the point. This is free. Like, it's okay. There's a silent demand of constant toe bootlicking. Yeah, because they're from Trump and his supporters. Part of it is because they are authoritarian in nature, so they look up to them.

You know who was in the back there? Uh-huh. Reporters for Fox. That's right. In fact, Kristen Fisher, a Fox News reporter, was among the people that he pointed at. Later, he said, well, I didn't mean her, I meant all the rest of them. Literally, he said, they would do great work. I couldn't respect them more.

I'm honored and privileged to be working with this great group of journalists in Fox News Channel. Yeah, now having said all of that, let me now shock the world and say, I actually don't think it was a big deal at all. If you follow the actors, you're not going to be overly shocked for reasons I'm about to explain. But Sean Hannity appearing there, Janine Piro, also a Fox news host appearing there. Rush Limbaugh appeared that that's his hometown. Don't care at all, I don't think it's a big deal. In fact, I think the outrage over it is annoying.

Well, here's what I would say to that. I think you're half right. I don't think it's a big deal either, but the outrage and Fox's response to it, the issue to, it's been taken care of, we don't approve of this. It's sort of, it allows Fox to, again, continue to maintain this ruse that somehow they have journalistic standards, and we all play into it done by, no, he's a propagandistic mouthpiece for the president, and he showed up in a rally. That's what they are, and that's what he is.

Yeah, so, and I actually think that, look, for reasons that are, will be clear to you in a second, if you didn't know, I went to rallies for Bernie Sanders. What? You guys know. And I opened for Bernie Sanders. I thought that guy just looked like you. And so, to me, so by the way, let me just, obviously I'm laying out that corner-in-goal bias, but the difference between us and them is that we're honest.

That's why I'm more annoyed at the fake outrage than I am as Sean Hannity for doing it. Rush Limbaugh going and opening for Donald Trump, does anybody under the, was anybody confused as to whether Rush Limbaugh supports Donald Trump or not? Have you ever seen any of Janine Piro's broadcast? I hope you haven't, but if you have, you know that she's basically broadcast from inside Donald Trump anyway and then same with Sean Hannity and so like this was anybody like like oh I wonder which side Sean's gonna go on right so now let me give you the rest here and then I'll say even more we Hannity then said about his appearance

what I said in my tweet yesterday was 100% truthful when the potus invited me on stage to give me to give a few remarks last night I was surprised yet honored by the president's request this was not planned I believe that I believe that too So he planned to broadcast, he planned to praise Trump on Fox News, which is actually more powerful, right? That reaches three million people. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. Okay.

It's not important. It's totally not important. Yeah. I'm surprised he was surprised that he called him up, because I do believe he was surprised, because there's small things like when he got out there, Trump says, yeah, go, go do it. Is it really okay? I'm not sure if they would have planned down to that moment to be like, let's make it seem like you didn't, I didn't know.

No, no, I don't think it's that orchestrated. Same with Janine, she was on the side and he said, come up and she goes, really want me to come up? Like, they're excited to do it, yes, let's keep it real. So Fox News put out that statement that Ben's referring to. Fox News does not condone any talent participating in any campaign events. This was an unfortunate distraction and has been addressed. And they talked about their so-called reporters.

I'm sure it's been really aggressively addressed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so now CNN's reporters Oliver Darcy then talked to some people that work at Fox News off the record, and this is the part that I'm actually most amused by. Fox News employee said, I'm a guest, as are a number of other people. Come on. And another one, senior Fox News staffer said, it disturbs me to my core. I am so effing mad.

To your core. To your core. And then finally, Fox News employee says, continues to make the task of the new side all that much harder. Quit. Quit, quit. Quit. It's the only principle thing to do.

Again, I don't know, man. I don't know if I'm the weird one, but I believe, I don't know who the senior staff But other employees at Foxman, I'm willing to believe that a certain percentage of them were like, why would you do that, Sean? Because they believe that there's this down the line, some of them, a down the line approach that they have to because they think that they're just on the right side. When you went and, sorry, no, when you went and spoke at that Bernie Sanders rally, I was like, oh. I was a guest. I wasn't going, I can't believe, Jake, did it. And if someone asked, I was like, I don't know he was going to do it, but did you expect something different?

I don't remember even give it a second thought. I know a couple of some people who work at Fox in the news site, right? And they, right, but I mean, you know, I mean, they edit stuff and they were producers and they ran over Shapp and for, you know, Brett Baer. And they, you know, they do what you imagine the people in this situation would do. They just tune it out, right? So, but they're not aghast now. I guarantee you those people, I guarantee you, they're like, yeah. Of course, Sean went up there.

And you don't use hairspray? No, I do not use airspray. What do you use? I use a foaming cream from American crew. Oh, is it like a pomade? No, yeah, a little bit. It's not as thick as pomade. Oh, okay.

That's viscous? Yeah, no, I don't like a viscous. I don't like it to get stuck in my fingers. It's got to be able to. I don't like to have to wash my hands afterwards. Why, were you aghast of his hair? I was aghast. Okay, maybe a gas.

I'm always comparing hair. I have used hairspray probably 25 times in my life. Sometimes before, like if a piece is falling down and you absolutely have to get it to stay up. But I don't, I don't own a hairspray. I just like it would use my life. And you're not going to get the plugs? No, why would I get plugs? I have one of the 15.

So we believe in truth in this network, Jimmy. Get plugs. Okay. I should donate plugs. I would like so. Because I'm going to get them. Yeah. So, look, guys.

So bottom line on this Fox News is, situation is, if they just said, look, we're a conservative network, all of our hosts are conservative, dude, does it look like we hired any liberals, right? But our news side, look, the editors are also conservative. Yeah, they're also, they're not- But like the editors are editors and the producers are producers and we try our best. I'd be like, and we're done with it. They're a conservative network, who cares?

Part of their propaganda scheme is to muddle the issue, is to have a show like Shep Smith's at a show like Brett Bears. That's why they have Shep Smith? That's not going to be my question, why do they have Shep Smith? I think that's exactly why. And that's why I wanted to go to the core of this, because Shep Smith gives them plausible deniability. That's right.

And what Hannity just did is took away plausible deniability. And that's why they're aghast, right. Yeah, I got that. And so just be honest about it. So at TYT, we call ourselves homo progressives, we don't hide the ball, we're all We have a wide range of progressive on the network, right? And you guys have all seen that with your own eyes. They should just be honest.

Just be honest about it. Over the dog whistle. Just be honest. And look, we got an investigative team and they do objective journalism. They're TYT investigators, check that out. But we explain clearly that that is distinct. So in our case, we do much more commentary. We do much more perspective analysis opinion.

And the biggest difference is, overall theme, and this is true, no matter of across the war with this current wave of conservatism, I didn't even like you calling them conservatives, right? Because they're reactionaries, right? But they would describe themselves that way. But we want you to read newspapers and articles from, and read The Intercept and read, gather as much information as you possibly can. And we want you to listen to professors who spent their lives studying things.

And we want you to believe scientists and read and listen to it. And they call all those people fake and liars and that they're distorting information. So there is no comparison whatsoever to what happens here. And even no matter what you're over to what happens at some of the MSNBC shows and to what happens at Jimmy's show, there's a difference. This is a, at least despite the disagreements inside of it, a basic community that would like you to gather and interpret as much information as possible from as many smart people. They don't want that.

There's some consequences to that. There's some consequences to that. So that's the part about being principled and doing what you believe and say, you're going to anger some of your audience members and go like, how could you say that? That's not true from this aspect. That's not true progressism, that's not true conservatism. But if you're head nodders, which most of them aren't Fox News, then you'll do whatever it is that person in power wants to do.

So when we heard Brian Kilme at one time say, yeah, I don't think Trump should keep doing this whole enemy of the state thing and enemy of the people thing, everyone went, oh my goodness. But again, when President Obama was in office, and we talked about his horrible foreign policy and the drone attacks and all that stuff, people didn't go, oh my God, they went against Obama for a minute, right? No, because that's happened sometimes. Yes, the vast majority of the time, there's support for President Obama, but when there's something that folks on the network disagree with, they'll say it, and people won't go, oh my goodness,

but there will still be somewhat, hey, you guys shouldn't bash Obama, there's a problem right now, you know the kind of opposition he's up against, and anything that goes against won't really help us. And there's that perspective, and those people maybe didn't like it. But that's the hard part about principle, your principal approach. You believe what you believe and you say what you believe. So I'll say the last thing on this, which is that, look, there's a difference between partisan and principles, right, so in policy.

So partisan is, I'm a head nodder, as J.R said. Did you make that up? I like that. I like it, too. Yeah. I don't know. I take it something good. We're going to give you credit from now on.

I like it. He invented that word. So where you go, okay, that's the person's on my side. Look, I called out Sanders when he came on here, when for a little while he was trying to say that superdelegates should vote from. I said, you were against superdelegates all along. So we did that. I called out Elizabeth Warren for other things when she came on the program. Jesus, you should see, look at my interview with Joe mentioned or many other Democrats, right?

We're not on team Democrat, and we're not, but we are progressives and we're honest about it. And so, and that's a giant, giant difference. So whereas Fox News, it appears that there is an orthodoxy, and then you've got a little bit of plausible deniability, but everybody has to be on that team. And so those guys are embarrassed to admit that, embarrassed that that game is revealed when people like Sean Hannity go and do these rallies. They're the propaganda arm of a reactionary, far-right administration, it's a terrible place to be.

They should be ashamed. There's just no, that this is, they're not what, they're not even what they were 10 years ago. And if a moderate, if a moderate conservative, a moderate Republican administration comes in, they'll be on the moderate line. They'll be as far as the people in power will be. They go through where it is. If there's a helpful, somewhat useful Republican administration in office, Fox News will be okay with it, because that's where the power is.

So, but did you, do you fall into this, or do you find this happening that when you, you criticize the press, which is what, you know, it's right in your wheelhouse to do. Do you find people using the defense, which I do, that hey, you sound like Trump. That's what Trump says about it. So now people are using the fact that Trump's over-the-top criticism now negates any actual criticism. So that's a great question. We gotta end on that.

So look, when he says fake news, that's another difference between us. So I say, he says the press is biased in favor of liberals. I find that hilarious. But that's a perfectly valid opinion to have. That's his opinion, right? We say the press is bias in favor of the establishment of the status quo. And we can disagree about that as long as we're all honest about it. But then he says the press is fake news, that they're making up news.

That isn't true. So you can say they have a bias, they have a perspective, and that's a really legitimate debate, right? But when you say they get into a room and they just make up stuff, well, actually, first of all, we caught Fox News, being you have stuff left and right, maybe that's why you're doing projection, but that part isn't true. So we try as hard as we can to bring you the truth. Nobody's got a monopoly on the truth, but we're trying hard and we're certainly 100% honest

with you, whereas they go and make stuff up and then accuse the press of making stuff up. And see, that's why I don't think it's an honest actor. But is it legitimate to criticize the press in a Trump rally? It depends on how you do it. I did it. I did it at the Bernie Sanders rallies. I think that they do have an established demise.

I just did it at the National Press Club. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But when Trump says they're the enemy of the people, well, that encourages violence against them. So there is a line, they often cross that line, but it is not wrong to criticize the press. Yeah, but you were- And it's not wrong to say which side you're on. Your effort here is to make the press better. It's a significant, he wants the press to do what he says, right?

It's a very different thing than calling them the enemy of the people and calling it fake news, which I know what you were saying. But when you criticize the press, it's because you want them to dig deeper. You want them to get at the truth more. You want them to sort of shed their notions of how government should work and do their job more aggressively, because you recognize the necessary value in a free society of having an aggressive, honest media. 100% right. And that is a colossal difference between the two.

It makes them not even in the same. It's not even a worthwhile comparison. We want them to do a better job. They want to just tear them down. We need a vibrant press in this country. We wish they would do the job better. All right, we gotta take a quick break, guys. We got a lot more results for you guys, especially because now more polls and states have closed.

We'll start to give more results as we go along here and some more stories as well, including some, if we get to it, I really hope we do some data on what is real, real numbers. We'll show you, it shows you who's right and who's wrong, conservative. are progressives we'll be right back thanks for listening to the full episode of the young turks support our work listen ad-free access members only bonus content and more by subscribing to apple podcasts at apple dot co slash t yt i'm your host jank huger and i'll see you soon