The Young Turks - Washington Post Publishes Last Jamal Khashoggi Column And Horrific Details Of His Death Leaked

Episode Date: October 19, 2018

The Washington Post has published Jamal Khashoggi's last column. The Turkish government is slowly leaking details of Jamal Khashoggi's alleged assassination, and his torture and death are horrific. Get exclusive access to our best content. http://tyt.com/GETACCESS Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Okay, now with that all out of the way, let's get to the news. All right. Okay. The Washington Post has published the final column written by Jamal Khashoggi. It was written by Khashoggi, but his assistant has published it. And the message in this column is incredibly important. important because he is specifically calling out the lack of freedom of expression in Arab countries.

And it gives you a sense of what his thoughts were not only as he was living in self-exile here in the United States, but as he was entering that consulate, the issues that he had, you know, in the back of his mind when it came to the very country that he was from. So I want to give you a few excerpts from his column and then we'll discuss. So in one portion of the column, he says there is only one country in the Arab world. And here he's referencing a 2018 Freedom in the World report. He says there's only one country in the Arab world that has been classified as free. That nation is Tunisia.

Jordan, Morocco, and Kuwait come second with a classification of partly free. The rest of the countries in the Arab world are classified as not free. So as you can notice there, he does call out Saudi Arabia as not free. It's not listed as partly free or free. And then he says, a state-run narrative dominates the public psyche, and while many do not believe it, a large majority of the population falls victim to this false narrative. Sadly, this situation is unlikely to change. So he's specifically referring to the state-sponsored propaganda in Arab countries.

And Saudi Arabia is certainly no exception. Saudi royals want to control the narrative and the messaging that the Saudi citizens consume. And so that is the main reason why someone like Jamal Khashoggi, who was highly critical of the Saudi royals, decided to live in self-exile here in the United States. Yeah, look, obviously this is incredibly powerful because it comes from the grave. And they noted in the Washington Post that they did not want to run it because they hoped he was still alive. But now that hope has basically been extinguished.

So they're running posthumously. And I want to call out one other thing that he said in the article that I think is really important. He mentioned Salehulay al-Shehi, who's a prominent Saudi writer who's now he said serving an unwarranted five-year prison sentence for supposed comments. contrary, the Saudi establishment. Now, of course, we now know that Jamal Khashoggi was very likely murdered by that same Saudi establishment.

I say very likely because you have to, but we know what happened. And so I noted something that I have not seen elsewhere, but I hope that others are pursuing this. My guess is human rights groups are, et cetera, that Saleh is still alive. So if you want justice for Khashoggi, a very small step in that direction. but a good step would be to release him from prison. That's the bare minimum that the Saudi government can do. Exactly.

So other portions of his piece that I wanted to share with you, he says, Arab governments have been given free reign to continue silencing the media at an increasing rate. There was a time when journalists believe the internet would liberate information from the censorship, but these governments have aggressively blocked the internet. And I appreciate that he mentioned that. And he specifically goes back to 2011 when there was this emergence of people who were protesting and really challenging people in positions of power in the Arab world. And there was that glimmer of hope.

I remember that. And then it just kind of faded away as those movements got co-opted by terrorist organizations, as the leaders in these countries became even more aggressive in censoring speech, censoring non-state sponsored media. And again, this is exactly the type of commentary that would get him murdered in Saudi Arabia, which is why he came here to the United States and became a U.S. resident. So the part about the Internet is really important. And I really hope that VPNs are successful in getting around these restrictions.

Because if you don't know what a VPN is, it allows your computer to go to another computer so they can't tell that you're, and one outside the country. So you can actually access some of the websites that are banned in places like Saudi Arabia because it appears that your computer is in the Netherlands, not in Saudi Arabia. Now, this is really taking off in China, and I hope it does so more, even more so in all those places to get around the censorship of these oppressive governments. But I didn't want to breeze past the first part of that sentence. He said Arab governments have been given free reign to continue silencing the media at an

increasing rate. I mean, and that turned out to be his last column as they silenced them in the most extreme way imaginable. And so as I read that portion, it was haunting that he was warning about silencing of the media, and they literally beheaded him. Also, I mean, he says Arab governments have been given free reign, given free reign from whom, right? By whom? By whom? Yes. And it's the US, exactly, and that's exactly what's happening right now. I mean, the narrative that we're seeing from the Trump administration, and later we'll also talk about some conservatives in the United States who are part of the media, like, they're making excuses for what happened, and they're protecting the Saudis and what they did.

No, I mean, look, I'll just mention it briefly here. I asked yesterday, will the Magar guys rally to Donald Trump defend? a Muslim fundamentalist government dismembering someone. We got our answer today, yes. So now conservatives are starting to attack Khashoggi, the victim, calling him a radical Islamist. So the smear job on the victim has begun. We see that here in America all the time. You know, young unarmed black kids killed, it's time to smear him and destroy his reputation

after you've already killed him. So now they've started to do that to Khashoggi. So let me just ask a quick question. what type of radical extremist would want freedom of speech, freedom of press, wouldn't a radical extremist want censorship? Wouldn't they want to prevent messages getting out there that counter whatever it is that they believe? But look, you know, I'm going to offend people as usual here, but this is why I call those

extreme Republican voters stupid, because there's nothing that they won't buy. All you have to do is you have to have an official propaganda outlet of the Republican Party tell them, oh, yeah, no, no Muslim fundamentalists beheading people and dismembering them is now great. Now you are to bow your head and say that that is wonderful. And here they are. Now all over the internet going, well, Khashoggi this and Khashoggi that's smearing him, et cetera. All lies, by the way, all totally out of context lies. And so they've decided, yeah, we're the right wing in this country.

That said, all Muslims should be banned. Now think Trump covering up for a fundamentalist Muslim dictator beheading someone is a good thing. I would hope that they would read this and learn something from it, but they're not going to learn anything. They'd have to read. They'd have to actually take the time to read something instead of sitting there and watching whatever propaganda they've been consuming, including Fox News. It's easy to sit there and just buy whatever it is that they're selling. But look, just for a second, take the Muslim component out of it and think about what this means.

He was a U.S. resident, okay? He was living here in the United States. He was murdered, likely murdered, when he went to that consulate. What does that mean for journalists who practice free speech in a country like the United States, who take advantage of our First Amendment rights and share their opinions? put out, you know, their articles or their news content. So we're just going to give certain countries a pass if they murder journalists just because we have cozy ties with them, just because we have financial ties with them.

Where's all my right-wing free speech advocate friends? Free speech on Berkeley's campus. Oh, you beheaded a guy who was speaking out against the Saudi government. No problem. Let's cover it up. Trump told us to cover it up. Let's cover it up. So, boy, you must be really proud of your free speech.

speech philosophy. Well, the New York Times has more details on how Khashoggi was likely murdered. And I want to share these details with you guys so you understand the severity of what happened and what the Trump administration is planning on doing to cover this all up. All right. Turkish officials and investigators are slowly but surely leaking more details about how Khashoggi was allegedly murdered by Saudi officials. Now, Jamal Khashoggi was of course a U.S. resident who was writing columns for the Washington

Post. He was living in self-exile out of fear that the Saudi officials would come after him and murder him. And if we are to believe the Turkish investigators, Saudi officials did murder him as he was going into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Now, we're learning more details about how this murder was allegedly done, and it's It's very gruesome. According to the latest report in the New York Times, Saudi agents were waiting when Jamal Khashoggi walked into their country's consulate in Istanbul.

Mr. Khashoggi was dead within minutes, beheaded, dismembered, his fingers severed, and within two hours the killers were gone. To me, the most troubling part, I mean, every part of his horrifically troubling. They couldn't tell if his fingers were severed while he was alive or after he was dead. The head and the other limbs, that's what they brought the bone saw for and presumably to be able to carry him away easier and conceal it. But the fingers, there's no reason to cut those after he's dead. Likely they cut him while he was still alive.

So the Turkish authorities say that they have audio recordings of what happened. And so as a result, they can hear who was present and what they said. Now according to the New York Times, after Khashoggi was shown into the office of the Saudi consul, the agent seized Khashoggi almost immediately and began to beat and torture him, eventually cutting off his fingers. Again, we don't know if they cut off his fingers while he was alive or dead. Now, the consul was present, according to these audio recordings, and objected. He allegedly said, do this outside, you will put me in trouble.

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all at the same time. Remember, they're going to scapegoat somebody, right? Because the guy who very, very, very, very likely ordered it is the leader of Saudi Arabia, Crown Prince, Muhammad bin Salman, or now apparently Bonesaw Salman. And so they're not going to turn around and go, yeah, the monarch did it. That's not how monarchies work. So they'll have to say that they took stern action once they found out who the rogue killer was.

So I don't know if they'll pin it out on the console because he objected for like one second in the middle of the murder about where they killed him, not whether they should kill him. or they'll pin it on somebody and right now everybody on that 15 person team has to be incredibly nervous because somebody's going to get scapegoated and likely they'll kill that guy too because they don't want him hanging around even if it's in a Saudi prison because he knows the real story. And remember, as we spoke about on a previous show, both the New York Times and Turkish investigators identified several of the 15 Saudi officials who were present and so if people

know who they are, and they also know that these individuals have close ties to the Saudi royals, who knows what's in the future for them? And it is a scary thing to consider. So another thing to keep in mind is that one of the people, one of the Saudi officials who was there and who was ID'd was a Saudi doctor. He was a medical professional, and as the agents cut off Khashoggi's head and dismembered his body, the doctor did have some advice. He told them, listen to music as he donned headphones himself.

That was what he did to ease the tension when doing such work, the doctor explained. And so the doctor had published work in dissection, so maybe that's what he was referring to there. But either way, it's just incredibly gruesome. And to know that the U.S. government is going to try to cover up for the Saudi officials or for the Saudi royals is incredibly discouraging and terrifying. So a couple more things here. First of all, in the doctor, I don't know what, you don't get picked to be the doctor.

on the 15-person assassination team by accident. So it might have been autopsies he was referring to, or it might have been other beheadings. It's not like the Saudi government doesn't do beheadings. They do beheadings. They do real fundamentalist version of Sharia law. There's actually a lot of different variants of Sharia law, and some are benign and some are terrible. And the Saudi government practices a terrible kind, the same kind that ISIS practices.

And we go, oh, we have to start a war with ISIS, and defense contractors got to get paid, and we've got to cause chaos in the Middle East. Well, Saudi Arabia has very, very similar conduct as ISIS in terms of fundamentalist Sharia law, beheadings, public torture, et cetera, right? And oppression of anyone living under their rule. Incredibly similar ideology. But hey, they're an ally and they got oil and they back Israel and us against Iran. Wow.

So understand what you're dealing with here. This is not likely to be the first time that a beheading has happened under the rule of Saudi Arabia in this particular reign. Okay, secondly, Anna mentioned the Turkish government doing slow leaks here. Why? Now, this is what other outlets can't really talk about. This is our analysis, but we'll give New York Times credit for getting as close as they can. It's because the Turkish government has not received their end of the bargain. So I told you what the American government has gotten so far.

The Turks gave us Pastor Brunson. The Saudis gave us $100 million that we asked for help in Syria. They all happened at the same time. And that's all we're told that there are coincidence. It's of course preposterous. There are deals being made behind the scenes to assuage the situation. But apparently the Turks have not, and I said yesterday on the show, so far publicly, we haven't seen what the Turks have gotten.

And they need to get something and they're holding the audio recordings in their back pocket as leverage. You can see the yesterday's show. You can see me saying that. And today, they're leaking stuff because apparently they didn't get their end of the bargain. So I love what the New York Times said about it. They talked about how the investigators in Turkey are actually very well respected and so is their intelligence organization.

But the press, unfortunately, is not very free in Turkey. It used to be, but not under this current government. So then they explained the quote, so the resumption of disclosures about Mr. Koshoggi's disappearance is more likely to reflect a decision by the Turkish president than a burst of muck-raking zeal. It's exactly right. It isn't like, wow, we somehow got the leak. No, Erdogan office comes in and goes, all right, they didn't give us the money we wanted

or whatever it is that we wanted. Leak this part, leak that part. Tell them about the fingers. Tell them about the beheading, because they have the tapes. Right. Okay. And they're holding onto the tapes as their last card. Look, if the Saudis don't give us what we want, whatever it is, we release the tapes.

So that's the negotiation that's happening behind the scenes. And finally, there is one other negotiation going on, independent of this, but related to it. Our own TYT investigative reporting team broke the story that the State Department is actively seeking U.S. contractors to aid Saudi Arabian prison officials. Wow. Oh, boy. And so apparently this is for the female prisons. I hope we don't teach them to sever fingers while the people are still alive.

I hope we don't teach them that any of this torture is acceptable. We've done torture in the past. I'm sorry, enhanced interrogation. Right. I guess Dick Cheney would also call this enhanced interrogation. You know, very enhanced interrogation what happened to Khashoggi. So check out that story. We'll have a link down below for another great job by Ken Clippinsign on TYT Investigates.

But if we are giving aid and comfort to the Saudi government, whether it's in executing a war in Yemen in covering up this crime or training him on prisons, we should at a bare minimum reconsider that and for sure make absolutely positive that we're teaching them the right things. I mean, as I say it, it sounds preposterous, they're not going to listen to any right things. It's a dictatorial government, but somebody's going to make money off this contract. That's what's going to happen. We have to take a quick break, but when we come back, we will give you an example of a conservative

commentator who is dragging Khashoggi through the mud and just making things up about him. Hey. Hey, how you doing, guys? So some divergent opinions on the Washington Post story. math and magician me thought that they should not publish it, that it was profiting off of his death. I don't agree.

He said that on Twitter. Ecclectic miscellania had a different idea, completely different idea, writing in the member section. How tragically ironic that Khashoggi's last piece was calling out the repressive nature of countries like Saudi Arabia. Remember, I'm sorry, yes, and news outlets around the world publishing the controversial the Muhammad cartoon after the attacks in Paris that the Charlie Hebdo attacks. And wouldn't it be great jester if news organizations around the world published the last

article by Khashoggi to show we are all united for free speech. That would be amazing. I love that idea. I think that's a much better idea. Just real quick, I want to respond to mathematician. Look, under that logic, then it means any publication that has an obituary section is just profiting off of people's death. I don't see it that way.

I think it's important to report these things. And I think that the message in Khashoggi's final column was an incredibly important message. And it's especially important given the way he's being slandered by conservatives right now in America. Last comment is Gabi Marita says, why do we keep calling them Saudi agents? Call them what they are. Assassins. I have on several occasions called him assassins, but I agree, Abby.

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All right, Anna, what's next? All right. John Miller is a White House reporter for CRTV. CRTV is a conservative online streaming network of shows, including Gavin McGuinness, who also has a show. Now, John Miller went out of his way to slander, a journalist who was just murdered by Saudi assassins in the Saudi consulate. in Turkey. He's probably doing this because of the fact that it's become abundantly clear that the Trump administration is going to help cover up this death for the Saudis because of our financial

ties with Saudi Arabia, but more importantly because of Donald Trump's financial ties with Saudi Arabia. Now with that said, I want to give you a sense of what John Miller had to say about Khashoggi on his show. He said, Miller referencing or referring to Istanbul as Constantinople. said the media is not telling the truth about Khashoggi, he then derided him as a radical activist. Fascinating. Yeah, let's stop there.

So the least offensive part is calling Istanbul Constantinople. It's silly, who cares, right? But I do want to, so I had a Greek friend in high school, and we were talking about he used to call Istanbul Constantinople, and he'd kid me about it, and we had a great relationship. And then, but he said, yeah, like Greeks regularly do do that. And then I was like, Constantine, unsurprising that his name was Constantine, I was like, it hasn't been Constantinople for over 500 years. So can we call it the thing that the people who live there call it?

He's like, that's fair, I'm calling it Istanbul from now on. Okay, so that's what a reasonable person does. Okay, again, not that important. Yeah, that's a tangent. Yes, the important stuff is what they're saying about Khashoggi. Now, don't, as Anna Riju, the propaganda that CRTV is putting out there. And so she mentioned Gavin McGuinness, a guy who calls for violence and, you know, white and and Western pride.

So that's the kind of station CRTV is, so you understand. But now, since then, this is exactly what I expected. Everything that Anna's going to read you is bouncing around the internet. It has begun. So now the right wing and the MAGA guys have decided the Saudis dismembering people is awesome. and so they will now smear the victim. So I'm going to give you exact quotes from the show. John Miller said the following.

We know he, meaning Khashoggi, had ties to the radical Islamic groups. They're not reporting that. We know he made calls for violence against Israel. We know that he has dedicated, he was dedicated to transforming Saudi Arabia into a more regressive state. And maybe that's why he didn't come out of that consulate. So this is three things here at a minimum, four actually. Maybe that's why he didn't come out of the consulate.

In other words, he had a coming. They should have murdered him. That's what he's implying. It's unbelievable, okay. Number two, he was pushing for Saudi Arabia to be a more regressive state. Not remotely true, 100% the opposite of the truth. In what way was Saudi Arabia able to get more regressive? I mean, they decapitate people.

I mean, they will decapitate people. And they did it to Khashoggi? They did it to Khashoggi. But more importantly, I mean, they have incredibly extreme laws, and especially toward women. If anyone is caught having an affair, if a woman is even caught seen with a man who's not her husband, I mean, how much more regressive can you possibly get? There's no freedom there, no freedom of press. And besides which, Khashoggi was murdered because he was fighting to open up Saudi

Arabia for liberty and for freedom and for freedom of speech. His last article published today by the Washington Post before he was killed, before he had any idea he was going to be killed, obviously. Talking about how Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries have to be open to freedom and liberty, but the Republicans use freedom and liberty as a punchline. So now they've flipped it on his head and lied about his record. And then point three, calls for violence against Israel. Now, I told you ahead of time, I said, at some.

point, people are going to start to say, hey, remember, Saudi Arabia's allies with Israel, who cares who they murder and behead, etc. So now these are code words. Hey, remember, we're on the side of Saudi Arabia. And so they wanted to decapitate this guy. Well, he, well, he was against Israel. He was against Israel. Well, is that even true? No, I'm sure that he criticized the occupation as almost every single person in the Arab world has done, right? And as any rational person would do. Is the occupation great? Are you happy about the occupation? Anyway, and then the last part, and the most important one. Radical, his ties to radical Islamic groups. Now we're going to have more quotes about that. But now, it's easy. Oh, right, he's Arab. He's a Muslim. Let's just call him a radical.

We'll just call him a terrorist sympathizer. Easy. And so the MAGA guys go, yeah, the guys who beheaded him are not the radical Muslims. The guy who got beheaded is the radical Muslim. It doesn't matter. He's a Muslim. Who cares? So he continues to say, Khashoggi was an Islamic activist who was tight with the Muslim Brotherhood, he was an extremist guys, or at least I should say an extremist sympathizer because you know he didn't want to do the bombs himself. Okay, again, nothing but lies. There's really no evidence at all to back up any of what he had to say.

Again, he was living in self-exile in the United States writing for the Washington Post because he feared for his own safety because of his criticism. of Saudi Arabia and how the royals refused to open the country up, as Jenk mentions. They refused freedom of speech, they refused any type of progress. Now, the Saudi Crown Prince recently gave women the right to drive, but that's a trick. I mean, it's a good thing to allow women to drive, but you have to pay attention to what he's doing in the backdrop, right? Because that was a way of putting up a facade, making it seem like he's trying to be more

progressive, when in reality, that is not what's really happening. At the same time, he imprisoned the women who fought for that freedom. Exactly. That's who a bonso Salman is, and the guy that these conservatives with no conscious whatsoever are defending today. Man, there is no bottom to this barrel. There's just no bottom. I don't know how anybody stays a right winger.

Is this the way he would respond to, I don't know, someone on the right who was targeted by Nicholas Maduro? Is this how he would respond? If someone on the right who is a harsh critic of Maduro was murdered by Venezuelan assassins, is this the way you would react to it? No way. Of course not, because you're political hacks and you don't care about principle at all. And Anna made a point yesterday about how when Alex Jones attacked us during a live show

we're doing at the RNC, he was yelling about how we like Saudi Arabia and I yelled back. Are you insane? You've never watched the show. Can't stand the fundamentalist government, the dictatorial government of Saudi Arabia. Well, guess who lived up to their principles and who didn't? So we're criticizing Saudi Arabia as fervently as any show on the planet. Right wing, where are you? Oh, you're defending them.

Funny how that turned out. He also said Khashoggi was a longtime friend of Osama bin Laden and wept when the al-Qaeda founder was killed. So, let's clarify that statement, okay? Khashoggi did in fact cry when Osama bin Laden was killed, but not because he was Osama bin Laden's friend, but because of what Osama bin Laden had become, okay? So Khashoggi had interviewed bin Laden in Afghanistan in the 1990s when both were allied with the anti-Soviet Mujahideen, okay?

If you thought that Khashoggi was wrong about that, so was Reagan, Reagan was the guy who who armed Osama bin Laden at the time. Take it up with Reagan. After 9-11, however, Khashoggi wrote, and this is his writing, these are his words. Osama bin Laden's hijacked planes not only attacked New York and Washington, they also attacked Islam and a faith and the values of tolerance and coexistence that it preaches, okay? So clearly not in favor of bin Laden after the Mujahideen fight against the Soviet Union, 100% against them, saying he was the exact opposite of what Islam needs to be,

and then the context for the tweet about crying. All right, so here's the full context about the crying accusation. Here's what Jamal Khashoggi had written. I collapsed crying a while ago, heartbroken for you, Abu Abdullah, that's a nickname for bin Laden. You were beautiful and brave in those beautiful days in Afghanistan before you surrendered to hatred and passion. So he was saying when we were fighting the Soviets, along with Ronald Reagan, you were great. And then you surrendered to hatred.

And that's why I cry for what happened to you. Okay. Funny that they, conservatives left that part out. It's almost as if they want to deceive their audience. They will do anything, anything to protect Trump. Even knowing that Trump is only acting the way he is out of his own self-interest because he wants to protect his financial assets, his financial relationships, that's really like you're going to go out of your way to help Trump protect himself and enrich himself? What are you getting out of it? Because what you're getting out of it is protecting this new precedent in response to journalists who question power and authority.

Okay, and finally, when you look at what these guys have done and you say, well, Jank, that's not fair to say right wingers in general, so, well, then I'll apply your own principles. You say about Muslims, well, hey, the moderate Muslims have to speak out, which, by the way, they do. After every attack, every Muslim American organization puts out a statement condemning it, and then they go, where are they? Well, didn't you put out the statement? You didn't read it. So in this case, so where are the moderate right wingers calling out these, you know, abhorrent comments by other parts of the right wing, calling out CRTV, calling out Donald Trump for an obvious cover-up? Are you guys vociferously attacking Donald Trump and criticizing him saying, how dare you support

that fundamentalist dictatorial government in Saudi Arabia? How dare you not stand up for someone who is a Washington Post journalist who is, living here in America and who was beheaded and tortured. Are you doing that, right way? Oh, no, you're not, huh? Funny. Funny how that works. We've got to take another quick break.

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My buddy told me he was voting for Cruz, so I called his wife ugly and his dead father a criminal. He promptly knocked me square across my jaw. I don't know if this is true, but it's an amazing story if it is. Okay. After I got up, I said, now let me tell you something about Cruz. He changed his mind. Wow. Okay.

That's taking one for the team, brother. You know, one of my favorite things of me is it takes courage. It doesn't take courage to throw a punch. It takes courage to take a punch. Well, you took one for the team. I'm like, but everyone put yourself in that position, right? Imagine the person you love the most. Like, I'm thinking of my husband.

someone insulting my husband and then later me tucking tail and doing their bidding for them just because I want that Mercer money so badly. And writing glowing things about it. Oh, not in a millionaires. And calling people and saying he's really great. The guy who called my husband whatever, fill in the blank, he's a great person. Oh, no. Ted Cruz, pathetic.

Anyway, Keith says, I would assume this type of killing was an accuracy to Saudi by U.S. prior to his killing, intelligence agencies would have picked this up. Certainly Israel would have known as this event was happening. All right, Keith, no, half true, but be careful there, okay? So the U.S. intelligence did know that the Saudis wanted to target Khashoggi, and they did not warn him, and that is abhorrent, and we're not talking about it enough. They did not know, as far as we can tell from the leaks, that the Saudis wanted to kill him. So they thought maybe just kidnap him, and we didn't warn him, right?

And in terms of the Israeli intelligence, we have no idea what they knew or didn't know, okay? So don't get too carried away on, you know, on, that's too much speculation. Okay. So Chris writes in, you know what disgusts me most? Why is it that other news outlets aren't calling people like Miller out for his atrocious and malicious propaganda. He's a White House reporter. Isn't that amazing?

I know. A young Turks is considered two bias to be in the White House. Not just by the Trump administration, by the Obama administration as well. But he's a White House reporter. And Chris continues, there's a reason why I watch TYT every day. It's the only place I know I can get current news and trust that it is relevant and the most important and honest news of the day. What is CNN talking and posting about right now?

John Bolton and John Kerry get into a heated shouting match. Come on, who cares. Now, look, people might care about that story, et cetera, but what the cable news guys do is they take one story that they think is hot, and they talk about it for 24 hours. You've got 24 hours. Talk about other things. Yes. Right?

So the last one is from Twitter. Bipolar Colbert writes in, the Christian right wing in the U.S. is just jealous of the Saudi government. They wish they could institute religious law. Well, that's kind of literally true. Yeah, they push for it all the time. They say they don't want a separation of church and state. Oh, Saudi Arabia, is their dream come true?

Okay, what's next? The New York Times is catching a little bit of heat, actually quite a bit of heat after publishing a profile piece on Gavin McGinnis. He is the founder of the Proud Boys, and they have been caught in a number of violent altercations throughout the country. One of the more recent altercations happened in New York following an event at the Metropolitan Republican Club. By the way, the Proud Boys were invited.

to the Metropolitan Republican Club to speak, and it all ended in violence when they were approached by Antifa protesters following the event. Now, I want to give you a few excerpts from what the New York Times wrote in its piece about McGinnis, and then I'll explain why they're getting criticized for it. So first part of it indicates that at the center of the fray on Friday night, this is referring to the altercation after the Metropolitan Republican Club event, was Mr. McGinnis, the founder of the Proud Boys, and a former Brooklyn hipster turned far-right provocateur.

So the concern here is that this piece profiling McGinnis is normalizing his behavior and also making it seem as though his behavior isn't out of the ordinary, essentially whitewashing it, when in reality he has called for violence on various occasions and we're going to show you examples of that. Now they also include this portion, Deborah Coughlin, the president of the Metropolitan Republican Club said that she welcomed Mr. McGinnis because there had been no trouble when he spoke at the club last year. Coughlin explained that the club considered Mr. McGinnis' political views to be on the spectrum

of conservative civil discourse. She also noted that during the event, his followers were quiet and respectful. Now, after the event, they kicked the living crap out of people, as they've been taught to do. But hey, during the event when they were all in agreement, everything was fine. And by the way, the part that is not mentioned often enough is what McGinnis was talking about that day. He went to go celebrate the murder of a Japanese socialist. Civil discourse, Jank.

Civil, very civil. Yeah. And he brought a plastic sword with him and dressed up, including with racist Asian eyes that he did for himself, okay, celebrating the person who murdered a socialist. Civil discourse. Civil discourse. So anyway, there's more that I'm going to give you guys in just a minute. But there was also a video that went viral in response to this New York Times profile. And it's essentially a compilation of the type of civil discourse mainstream Republicans have

now accepted. So let's show you what that is. I started this gang called The Proud Boys. The Proud Boys? The Proud Boys. What's Proud Boys about? We will kill you. proud boys in a nutshell we will kill you we look nice we seem soft we have boys in our name

but like bill the butcher and the bowery boys we will assassinate you now part of the reason i agree to do the talk is because i'm allowed to bring all my guys and we can fight our way in and fight our way out i think it's our job to do it and the cup to turn a blind on if you're wearing a maga hat as Sal is right now. Sal's in the studio, folks. Oh, my God, it's Sal Cepola. Where are you from? On here.

Wow, you came along with... During a MAGA hat, and some guy with a slightly punk demeanor comes up to you, and says, hey, are you, Sal, or are you pro-Trump? Choke him. Trust your instincts. Don't listen to what he has to say.

Choke him. If I do a video where I say, how about we start throwing bricks? Is that legal? You can't call for violence on a specific person, but can you say they're throwing bricks? should throw bricks. Can you call for violence generally? Because I am. Fighting solves everything. We need more violence from the Trump people. Trump supporters choke a mother, choke a bitch, choke a tranny.

Get your fingers around the windpipe. I want violence. I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough. Get a gun. Get ready to blow someone's head off. I've even killed people in my dreams. That's how awesome my gun is. Get in trouble, get arrested, get fired. Let's all getting this together. They can't kill us all. I got green tips, man.

Those will go through at least three bodies. Oh, beautiful. Plop. I love the way he falls on his ass. They said, you want to go? I said, yeah, I want to go, and I punched them in the face. And then Colter emailed me later, and she goes, Conservatives never punched anyone in the face.

Finally, he's turning around. And then Mousbord goes, you're not advocating violence, are you? And I go, I absolutely am. It's a wonderful, effective thing. This is a . I started this gang called The Crowd Voice. Civil Discourse. The New York Times said provocateur, and my particular favorite, they described him

as an angry nerd aesthetic. Oh, now he's a nerd. Oh, he's an innocent little nerd with an aesthetic, with an aesthetic, which is take your guns, kill people. I'm calling for violence. I'm calling for violence. They punch them in the face, throw the bricks, et cetera. You just saw the tape.

You just saw the tape. New York Times journalist thought, yeah, on the other hand, I'm supposed to call everything 50-50. That's right. Because people like Kevin McGinnis yell at me and call me liberal media. So instead, I'll go and pleasure them. I'll talk about how they're Brooklyn hipsters. Oh, they're having a little bit of cheeky fun.

Oh, they said, oh, they get together and do private jokes. Oh, they're just joking around. And in another instance, they talked about how he gets close to the line but walks it back, just enough room to declare it all a joke. You just saw the tape. Did any of that look like he was joking? Did it look like he was there enough room there when he talked about murdering people? But New York Times, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not liberal.

We're not liberal. Okay, New York, right way, wonderful, awesome, great. You're an intellectual dark web, you're a wonderkin, you're this, you're that, Kevin McGinnis. You're not a fascist, you're not talking about killing transgender people, you're not talking about killing liberals, no, we're gonna cover up for you just so you don't call us liberal. That's what the New York Times is. Honestly, they're cowards. So look, the New York Times also, because we're fair, and we actually analyze things without

what the right wing does, they have nothing but propaganda, they're nothing but lies. But the New York Times does some great reporting. And they have so wonderful reporters and wonderful editors, and they bring us incredibly important information. But they are cowed by the right wing. They had an article about Donald Trump before the election that showed Eric Lick-Blough, a great reporter, that he had him, Trump's server, talking to the Russians, talking to Alfa Bank. And not only did they not run that piece initially, but when someone else was going to beat

him to the punch, they wrote a piece with a headline saying the opposite, that the FBI had clear Trump, but that's a lie. Why? Don't call us liberal, don't call us liberal, whatever you do, don't call us liberal. So what will we do? We'll lie to you, and we'll call it even. We'll call everything even. They're calling fascist even. That's what the New York Times is doing. So look, I'm not for Antifa going at and throwing water battles as they did in that. I'm not calling for violence. Yes, I'm angry. I don't know if you could tell.

That doesn't mean we call for physical violence. We do everything to make sure our side does not do that. I say if you're a progressive, it is your, by definition, wrong if you do anything physical or violent. But then they'll take this and then, you know what they'll do? Just because they are cowards in the media, they will go and say, oh, well, that's That guy's angry about the fascists, that they want to murder people. That guy's angry, and he calls for a political answer to that.

I'll call him the same as the monsters on the right who tell people to kill people. That's what you're gonna do, aren't you, New York Times? Go ahead, write it down. But you won't even do that. We did an analysis the other day. They have over 500 articles about the right wing, like specific right wing outlets in one month. You know how many articles they wrote about Amy Goodman?

A wonderful progressive who is very popular and does a huge show, zero, zero. Of course. Yeah, progressives. That's what New York Times thinks about progressives. And then they get called liberal media. When you ever cover progressives, when are you ever fair to progressives? All I ever see from the mainstream media is spitting on Bernie Sanders and any other progressive. When did you cover Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez before her victory?

No, you thought she was a joke, right? until she won, and all of a sudden you turn around. But when it comes to the right wing and fascists who want to murder people, oh, provocateur, an angry nerd, what do they, aesthetic, please, why don't you go pleasure another right winger? You sicken me. Am I clear enough? So obviously you have an establishment political organization, a Republican organization, normalizing this behavior and calling it civil discourse.

And the problem is we now have a major newspaper that is helping them make that argument. And I just want to read you one final part and then we'll call it a day with this story. No, I'm gonna say it more because- Okay. Yeah. All right, so this is again from this very New York Times piece. By the way, Alan Fuhr is the name of the writer here. And so again, I want to emphasize that there is incredible journalism being done at the New York Times. But there is this fear of being called out by conservatives for being too liberal.

And I think that we see this play out more often than not in the profiles that they write on people like McGinnis. So here's another portion. McGinnis, a fiscal conservative and libertarian, calls himself a champion of Western values and reserves a burning ire for the political correctness of people on the left whom he describes as busy bodies who have lost their sense of humor. So were we supposed to laugh when you talked about choking trannies, grabbing them by the windpipe? I mean, I don't know, I don't really find that funny.

And then they will, these are the same people who will then turn around and look at undocumented immigrants, Mexicans, Muslims, other minorities, and accuse them of being violent. They'll accuse them of being criminals. They'll accuse them of wanting to come into the country and destroying our values. No, no, no, McGinnis, I don't care, you know, what your race is, you destroy our values. So New York Times and the rest of the mainstream media and the corporate media, when you call things even, you know what you do, you help liars. Because your job is to be objective, your job is to get to, at the truth.

But when you equate lies in the truth, you say, well, Republicans say this and Democrats say that, right wing says this and left wing says that. Oh, I mean, how do I know? What am I a reporter? And when you just leave it at that, what do you do? You've equalized the truth and lies. So what did you do? You helped the liars by calling it even.

That's terrible journalism. That means you're terrible at your job, okay? Now in this case, you're helping fascists by calling it even, by calling it even. Okay, here I'm gonna read you another quote, and I know there's not a lot of Indians in this country, so I'm sure that most people don't care. They're like, oh, casual racism and bigotry towards Indians, Asians, Muslims, transgender people. Oh, angry nerd aesthetic, right? So I'm going to read you a quote from McGuinness. It's not, so he said we brought roads in it, referring to white people, we brought roads

in infrastructure to India and they are still using them as toilets. Our criminals built nice roads in Australia, but aboriginals keep using them as a bed. So you don't know any Indians and you think, ah, I'm making fun of Indians. He's just joking. He's just joking. By the way, some of those clips are on the Joe Rogan show. Oh, let's bring him on. Let's just joke around about how much we hate transgender people.

Oh, you don't have any sense of humor, man. Really, are you friends with Indian people and you guys are ribbing each other? No, it doesn't look like it. It looks like you're making fun of them because you hate them and you celebrate being white, whatever that means, okay? So anybody who enables these guys, including the New York Times, understand what you're doing. You're helping fascists by not calling them what they are, which is what you're supposed to do as reporters. What you do is you're dressing them up and making them seem much nicer and kinder than they actually are, which then helps them gain legitimacy and then have speeches at official Republican outlets and encourages the spread of their violence and

hatred. Congratulations, New York Times. You must be so proud. Let's take a quick break. When we come back, more news for you, including white supremacist, chugging milk, because they think that makes them better than everyone else. Thanks for listening to the full episode of the Young Turks. Support our work, listen to ad-free, access members, only bonus content, and more by subscribing to Apple Podcasts at apple.com at apple.com slash t-y-t. I'm your host, Shank Huger, and I'll see you soon.