The Young Turks - Whine Mom

Episode Date: October 26, 2024

Trump claims America is “like a garbage can for the world.” The final Times/Siena national poll finds Harris and Trump deadlocked until the end. A recent poll shows half of Americans see Donald Trump as a fascist. Hillary Clinton continues to complain about James Comey “kneecapping” her when asked about Kamala Harris." HOST: Ana Kasparian (@anakasparian), Cenk Uygur (@cenkuygur) SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE ☞  https://www.youtube.com/@TheYoungTurks FOLLOW US ON: FACEBOOK  ☞   https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER  ☞       https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks INSTAGRAM  ☞  https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK  ☞          https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕MERCH  ☞      https:/www.shoptyt.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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3rd and So, you know, I'm going to be. Drop it like an election. All right, welcome with the young Turks at the student. at the studios here, Polymarket Studios here in LA, Jake, Hugo, John Adirola, Wazney-Lombay, amazing power panel for you guys. And we've got a lot of exciting news for you guys.

We have new polls out, exciting, but is it in the right direction? Well, there's a lot of conflicting numbers, and you gotta see them all before you figure out what the hell's going on in this election. We've got to stop to voting until we figure out, what the hell's going on? Okay, now don't stop the voting, keep voting, okay? So, and then of course, an exciting news, Trump bracket's conclusion today. Somebody going to win $1,000, okay? Let's do it right now, go.

We're a dumping ground. We're like a garbage can for the world. That's what's happened. That's what's happened to a, we're like a garbage can. You know, it's the first time I've ever said that. And every time I come up and talk about what they've done to a country, I get angry and angrier. First time I've ever said garbage can, but you know what? It's a very accurate description.

No, it's not. America is awesome. I love it. But we're in a situation where everything is topsy derby. So now, if Democrats had said this before, Republicans would be like, they're trashing America. How dare they call us a garbage can. Leftist hate America. But then on the other hand, the Republicans used to be against the Russians.

Now they're like, oh, we love Russia. Russia's our best friend, right? And they used to be against communist dictators. And they're like, Kim Chagoon, fell in love, fell in love. We love communist dictators. What's going on here? Okay. Now, you're not going to be surprised to find out that the context of that was he was calling

immigrants trash, and that they were such trash, they're turning the whole country into trash. Seems like such a swell guy. Here you go. When Kamala came in, she deliberately dismantled our border and threw open the gates. She threw them open. The gates to an invasion of criminal migrants from prisons and jails from insane asylums and mental institutions. She has unleashed an army of migrant gangs who are waging a campaign of violence and terror against our citizens. No person. who is responsible for so much bloodshed and death on our soil can ever be allowed to become the president of the United States.

Okay, so let's know a bunch of things here. Like, can you believe? Koppel. Harris called Donald Trump a fascist? Can you believe it? He's like, this person responsible for so much bloodshed and death all over the streets. We can't elect you. She's just in words.

Bloods and death. So what happened? You guys don't mind that. We don't mind that. By the way, you know who calls Kamala Harris fascist? Donald Trump does. And Republicans are like outrageous if you say it about Trump. But if he says it about Kamala Harris, great. If he says it about immigrants.

Just last night, I debated seven conservatives. Overall, I'm like great. You guys check it out on YouTube. But they're constantly like, oh, no, no, he doesn't call immigrants criminals and rapists. Are you serious? First thing he did. It's literally the first thing he did. He just did it again and again.

And it's not guys, if he's talking about gang. Well, we got in a fight with leftists because we think that there really are Venezuelan gangs in places like Aurora, Colorado, et cetera. And we have to be careful about that. But he's not just talking about gangs. Whenever he's talking about it, he doesn't say, oh, the Venezuelan gangs like we do, or you know, MS-13 or whatever. He's like, the immigrants are all coming from lunatic asylums and criminals, and they're

going to kill you all. And oh, what? He's not on hinged, he's not on hinge. Are you insane? Anyways, I was on another conservative show today, and I talked to them about the winner of Trump brackets. Ooh, we got a winner today, okay? So we had hundreds of submissions by you guys. Then we narrowed it down a 64 to play like March Madness-style Trump Madness.

And we had the final four, and finally we got to the finals earlier in the week, and it has been decided. The votes are in, what is the, according to a TYT audience, what is the worst thing that Donald Trump has said or done? That is a hell of a contest, right? But you got a drum roll or anything? Here we go. Well, it's coming, you need a suspense on this one. You can't just jump right into it.

Then I'll bring in John and Wallace to discuss this. And if somebody won a thousand dollars, I'll tell you about that too. Sometimes we play these fun games, we might play one on election night where you guys kid win so it also a drum roll on which TYT member won okay oh because we have a winner today too okay and the winner of Trump brackets the very worst thing that Donald Trump has said are done called for the termination of all rules regulations and articles in the Constitution I wholeheartedly agree to me you know obviously the fake elector scheme was a final four is

didn't make the final four but it was in my final four to me saying that his vice president deserved to be murdered. That also didn't make the final four, but I thought it should have made the final four. Those are the top three for me, but terminating, wanting to terminate the constitution, yeah, number one. And I said it on the conservative show today and they're like, no. And if you guys saw it last night, when I told one of the conservatives last night that he wanted to terminate the constitution, he's like, no. And by the way, Democrats, why didn't you get out. Why didn't you get this out? He literally wrote on true social. It is inarguable. Oh, because he lost the election, he wanted to terminate the Constitution.

Okay, anyways, love the people who put Trump brackets together. That's you guys, our audience, you guys are amazing. So we wanted to play a game here where you guys filled out the brackets just like March Madness and whoever got the most right would win a thousand dollars. So we have that answer to. Bart, you ready again? 18, Holly. Okay, Holly, the winner. Nice job. Excellent job, Holly. Thanks for playing along. Thank you to Operation Hope volunteers who came up with this game and orchestrated. You guys are amazing. Everybody joined Operation Hope at 2.it.com slash hope. All right, so let me bring in John and was here. A lot to talk about, John, you got the immigrants are turning America into garbage.

You got terminating constitution thoughts. Yeah. First of all, it's deeply strange to be sitting at the desk and have you throw to me for comment. That's not how this goes. But anyway, yeah, so I hate it and I hate him. I know that, you know, I'm supposed to not be biased or whatever. I think people probably suspected where my heart lay, but I despise everything about him. He is utterly grotesque. He's a terrible, terrible person and he cannot fade from public awareness fast enough.

And I really hope that him losing the election is a big step in that direction. This is disgusting. It's not wholly different from what he normally says about people who weren't lucky enough to be born inside of the United States, or more importantly, and let's be clear, lucky enough to be born looking kind of like him. He says stuff like this quite a bit. And by the way, it's not that different than what a lot of Republicans say. Tucker Carlson said immigrants make us dirtier.

By the way, deeply fascistic language. The idea that we need to be worried about our cleanliness and purity, and it is these mongruly from outside of our country that come in and they taint our purity. That has been a hallmark of fascist movements. And Donald Trump has invoked it from time to time Tucker Carlson does. The others do too, the idea that migrants are not some people perhaps that have committed crimes or might, but generally at lower rates than native born Americans and a lot of people who are struggling to have a better life as virtually every wave of migrants that has

ever come into the United States that's long history have is disgusting. He has convinced millions of people that every one of them is a criminal and thus they deserve no consideration, no empathy, no human rights. You can put them in camps, you can send them out by the millions. And perhaps if they're injured or died during this process, you really shouldn't worry about it because they're all insane murderers. It's disgusting, and by the way, repetitive, he was at an event today and he went off on a long rant about the garbage cans again. That's just a thing that he's gonna do now. And so

there was a lot of hyperbolic language about the Madison Square Garden rally that he's going to have and a lot of people are saying simply because he's going to Madison Square Garden, it's the same as the Nazi rally of decades ago. And I thought that was going way too far. And I think it probably still will, but can't wait to see what he rolls out for that event. I have a feeling the garbage can talk will be a significant percentage of it, but we'll have to see. Now, Watts, I got layers of questions for you, but I mean, and almost everybody in America is an immigrant of some sort, but your family and my family are more recent immigrants. And back in 2016, he ran against Muslims saying we should do a total. complete shutdown on Muslims. So that's me. And this time around, he said, Haitians are eating

cats and dogs and dirty. And it said, and that's you. So how do you? I mean, let's start with the first question, which is, you know, how worried are you about Donald Trump as an immigrant? I mean, I just think the rhetoric that he's using, obviously nobody agrees with that. We don't need to even debate the merits of it on this panel is vile and it's, you know, pretty racist in its nature. I think it's a mistake on his part, honestly. I think it hurts him more than it helps him. And we've talked about this before up here on the show and that Republican politicians oftentimes have more contempt for their constituents than pretty much anybody else in that He genuinely believes that like calling immigrants pieces of garbage are what his audience want.

He thinks he's serving them up red meat because he thinks they're foaming at the mouth racist when generally, I think if he just came out with a message that was like, look, we're a sovereign nation. We get to control our border who's coming in and there should be a process and we should enforce it and it should be orderly. I think most people is specifically within his coalition and be like, that's exactly how we feel that he feels the need to take it this far. I think he feels a little bit insecure. And I think, you know, again, it just shows what he actually thinks of his audience. In terms of what it might, what his potential presidency might mean for immigrants, like I'm not convinced that even some of the most strident Republicans. actually want in practice to see the military or local police or however or ICE or whoever to, you know, go into the restaurants that they're eating in, haul people out, force them to show their papers.

And if they don't, put them in vans and do this to tens of millions of people across the country, like, and have that play out in the public square. Like, nobody has the stomach for that. I really, I really truly believe that. Some people might think I'm naive in that thought. But I just don't see one, how that would happen. And I think another thing quiet is kept, man, that people don't understand is that a lot of the undocumented workers that are here are here at the behest of our oligarchy. They love underpaying the hell out of these people for their excellent work. And I really do have a hard time believing that Donald Trump is going to overrule the oligarchs of our country and kick every single undocumented worker, documented worker out of our country.

Yeah. Can I respond to that? Yeah. So look, I agree with you that he definitely proposes things that it's hard to imagine how they could pot like like you you can't collect 20 million people like that's that's literally like that's Nazi party stuff. You cannot set up the machinery of something like that. It's just too much. I also don't think that it means that he wouldn't do anything. I mean, we saw his willingness in 2020 to to use the military to use the National Guard. like, you know, they were black bag and activists off the streets of cities. There was that that one guy, I forget if it was Portland or Seattle. Portland, yeah.

Yeah, they just sent people and gunned him down in the streets. And I'm not saying that that happened constantly or anything like that. But I definitely think he would be interested in experimenting in this area. And also, I think even more so than him like just ordering, no, the Marines are storming Springfield or whatever. He said in a rally in the last week, he said the migrants have taken over. time square. They have guns, they have weapons, the military doesn't even have. And I don't know what the hell that's supposed to mean or if any of this is based on anything. And then he said

there are people who'd like to go in and deal with them and they're going to be able to go in and deal with them. I think he would use like the National Guard of the military or whatever, but I think more so he would rhetorically and legally free up his mobs to do what they want. I think that you would definitely see a rise in hate crimes and murders and effectively modern day lynching of people who either are migrants or suspected of being migrants because of the way they speak or the way they dress or, oh, you happen to look Haitian, you know, in this city or whatever, that's, my fear is a little bit more broad base than just what he would direct from the top.

Yeah, I hear, I think you're both right. I don't think he's going to take out 20 million people, but John's right that it's going to be a mess and bad things are going to happen in that regard. So I want to go to two of our members here. I'm going to save the end. I'm going to save one of the comments for the end because it's so amazing. So I'll get to that in a sec. But first, Winter Scoop made this point.

Then I want to ask, was one last question here. Winter Scoop said Trump is still so stupid. He thinks asylum seekers are literally asylum patients. That is true. That is true. That's why he keeps saying they're coming from asylums. He's so painfully dumb. A reporter has to ask him that.

Yeah. And so, so look, waz, we got asylum seekers being, coming from mental asylums, we got the termination of the Constitution. We got them using like old school fascist language about poisoning the blood of our nation with immigrants, et cetera. And you and I are too frustrated progressives. The Democrats currently tied or losing to them. How frustrating is that? Yeah, it's hard to like recount the amount of things that I find frustrating. I think the painful thing for me is that, you know, I just last week got my absentee ballot from New York because I still vote in New York. And, you know, it's the same week that Kamala Harris is on the road. And she is bragging about Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney's endorsement. And, you know,

like part of me is it's sad but part of me wants to see that type of politics lose like that's where these people have put me man like obviously I think Trump is a disaster obviously I don't think that guy should be at the top of our government he's he's ill-equipped I think he has bad intentions I think he's incompetent I don't think he's very smart I think the people around him are such you know, power hungry, you know, little D.C. bastards. And he's the kind of guy who the last person he talks to can have an inordinate amount of influence on his decisions. I think all of that stuff is dangerous for our country. But when I look at Kamala's campaign, man, like the Cheney situation is like, like, where is

this Dick Cheney-Lis-Cheney constituency? I can't see the usefulness of this. On what planet does aligning yourself with literally the wing of the Republican Party that has no constituency? You can say there's people that don't want immigrants in here. You can say there's people that don't want their taxes raise. You can say there's people who are Jesus freaks and God botherers and go nuts about stuff like abortions. Like you can say there's legitimately a good amount of people who believe in that stuff and who will vote on that stuff. You cannot tell me there's a constituency for neocons, you know, American hegemony abroad and want to turn the Middle East into a shopping mall. Like, nobody likes this.

And this is who Kamala Harris wants to align herself with at the end of her campaign. It's maddening, dude. Yeah, you see, look, I know why. And it's because they're in D.C. And they're in that bubble and they can't see straight. because look, I've gone now on dozens of conservative shows. I haven't seen one Republican in favor of Dick Cheney in over a decade. I'm sure that they exist somewhere in those magical suburbs that the Democrats are always talking about.

But if she thinks she gained more Republican voters over progressive voters that she lost for backing Dick Cheney, and now we're worried that Liz Cheney might be the Secretary of Defense, she's crazy. That's not, like, but the reason why they can't see straight on that is because everyone in Washington loves Dick Cheney and loves Liz Cheney. So they're like, what, what, they don't, none of them know a single progressive, none of them know a single populist. So they're like, what, doesn't the whole country and all the Republicans love Dick Cheney? Last time I checked in several decades ago, that's what Republicans were. Man, wakey, wakey, you guys are a disaster. Anyways, so they're tied.

We're talking. Yeah, we're gonna definitely dive more into the polls later on. I would say I it sickens me every time I see it. I understand on some level that these are supposed to be proxies for an earlier Republican Party. I think they've chosen the wrong proxies for that. I think I mean, Liz Cheney's bad. I guess she was good during the impeachment or whatever. Dick Cheney, you do not have to give it to Dick Cheney. You literally never have to in any context. I think that I don't know what the number of Republicans she's getting in Pennsylvania versus the number of progressives she's turning off.

I assume that the cold political calculus is the progressives have no other choice. And that they're looking at all these different subcategories. And each one of them is a sponge with a certain amount of water in it. And you can squeeze it and you can squeeze it harder and harder and harder. And eventually there's diminishing returns on that. And I think that there's probably considering the $1.2 billion they'll have spent by the end of this. They think we just can't squeeze these sponges any harder. But maybe there's a drop of never Trump left.

And if Pennsylvania is going to come down to 5,000 votes, then maybe that's what we need. That's not my strategy. That's their strategy. And I still don't think that Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney are the right people to sell that. But I guess Nikki Haley didn't return their calls. Yeah, so look, if at the end they find a fine. a poll, I don't know how they would do this, that supporting Dick Cheney cost them make up a number, 10,000 votes, 100,000 votes.

Do you think the Democrats would then learn the lesson? Oh, maybe we shouldn't be neo-a-cons war markers. No, no, what they'll learn, what they'll do is they'll say, these goddamn progressives, I can't believe, I can't believe they got Trump elected. They should have loved Dick Cheney more. They should have loved my strategy more. You're not going to have that poll. The poll that you, I guess, would have is you would look in Pennsylvania, what percentage

of the Republican vote did she get versus Biden in 2020? And ideally, it's a couple percentage points higher. Yeah, and by the way, of course, it's not just Liz and Dick Cheney. And guys, I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris, okay, because Trump's a madman. I'm undecided. But it's the whole, hey, I'm going to support Israel's wars no matter what. I love the military, the military talk, et cetera. Look, every time I talk to folks in the establishment, they don't, you have to understand

this context, especially if you watch the young Turks. They don't, they don't, they're not aware of any of this. They think wrapping herself around Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney's a genius idea to get those seven Republicans in the suburbs. They think that it has no bad effect at all, at all, okay? And that's just stunning to me. All right, finally we go to our last member comment here. And remember guys, we do the show with the members, hit the join button below on YouTube,

or go to t.com slash 24, be part of our community on the website. And that's where we had the winner, Holly, who won the Trump brackets, and then she wrote in. And so Holly Barry 84, already a funny handle, wrote in and said, oh my God, I won. L.O. L.A.L.A.L. L.A. Okay. See, Holly, look at that. So I said, you guys are going to get $1,000. Wrong. Wait, why wrong? She wrote in, TYT. I love you so damn much. I would like to split the winnings with TYT so you can keep doing this amazing work. My dog was just really sick with pneumonia, and the $500 will finish off. paying her vet bill. Thank you so much. No, thank you, Holly. You're unbelievable. I love our

members so much. Who does that? Who does that? Right there with you, Bart. Well, can I actually mention someone who does something similar? So we did the Dragonathon earlier this year. We were trying to have gifted memberships. That was like a competition. Everybody's competing to gift the most memberships. And we had a lot of really generous people. Gabby Mathis, a longtime member who might be watching now, won. And we wanted to put together this like big like gift package of like merchandise and stuff. And she was like, no, actually give that to a couple other people in the top 10 who had gifted rather than getting it for herself. Like so selfless.

It's amazing. Yeah. Open minds, open hearts. That's what Young Turks is all about. I love this community. All right, come join us at t.com slash 2024. Holly, you're the best. And everybody check out John's show.

That's what he's talking about damage report and the dragon squads, his viewers. so I love those guys. So, and I only have about 18 Dragon Squad t-shirts. Okay, guys, we're going to take a quick break here. When we come back, we've got polls for you guys, who's winning, who's losing? We'll be right by. Our final national poll of this 2024 race, and what does it show in this stable race? A tied race. Dead heat among likely voters, 47% Harris, 47% Trump.

It obviously doesn't get closer to that. Yeah, multiple polls showing that it is as close as it can possibly be. There you've had CNN reporting. The final New York Times, CNN poll. looks very similar. The numbers are technically different, but as you'll see, it's an irrelevant difference because they've got it at 48, 48. Now look, you can look at that in a couple different ways. That's way better than Biden would be doing right now. I don't even want to speculate about where he'd be at. The eight might still be there, but I think there might be a three in front

of it. But regardless, it's also worse than she was doing in that same poll just a couple of weeks ago, she seems have lost a few points. And importantly, because the vast majority of America's voters are irrelevant to this process, the swing state polls also show a very close race. Kind of better in that she's leading in four out of the seven, including a very narrow, less than one point lead in the critical, particularly for Harris state of Pennsylvania. But all of them are super close. Arizona, he's got a two point lead. I guess that's what counts for a great lead these days, but it is just super, super close, which is, I think, frustrating and difficult to imagine for a lot of people.

We've provided as much context as we can throughout this entire process. Obviously, you have the legacy of Joe Biden, you have the fact that things were very difficult for a number of years across a number of issues. And obviously some of these numbers look much better now, the number of, you know, if you're motivated by immigration, the number of migrants crossing the border is as low as it's been since back into the Trump administration. Inflation is as low as it's been since before Biden came in. Those things obviously take time to get out there and soak into the public consciousness.

And we've only got another week until the election. So we're probably stuck when it comes to that stuff. But anyway, we have to take stock with the fact that this thing is a coin flip, at least going by the polls. And we can bring up a graphic as we discuss this that shows the gap between them on some of the top issues that people cite that will motivate their vote. But, Jank, what do you make of the polls one week out? Okay, so top line is disaster, but when you dive into the numbers, it gets a lot more complicated and there's a little bit of hope in those numbers.

So the reason top lines of disaster is because, as I've told you a hundred times, Biden barely won to electoral college when he had a four and a half point lead in the popular vote. And if you're tied in the popular vote nationally, oh boy, that is not. a good sign. Okay, that's a very, very bad sign. But, but why? Because you went a lot more in California and New York and other blue states. And then you're worried that that means that you're not picking up enough in the swing states, right? But in this case, it's possible that they lost some votes in California and New York, the Democrats did, because of some overreach on crime, it's immigration, et cetera. So it's possible that you don't need four and a half votes because when you look at the swing states, that's the only thing that matters and

they're just close to tide as you can be, right? Now remember, that's just one poll. Now, the other day I did a video about who's going to win and I told you six out of the last seven polls in Michigan has Trump winning. The seventh was tied. I forgot to come back and tell you, but the last one, Quinnipiac, a very legitimate poll, had Harris winning by four. So impossible to tell, impossible. And now Trump's got a bunch of things going in his direction. The Democrats are very worried, John's going to tell you about that in a second, but I want to give you two giant rays of hope. I don't want you to get overly hopeful because my intuition says Trump, when you take in all of the different numbers. But these are very hopeful.

So when you're looking at the people who are already mailing their votes in, are they coming from registered Democrats or registered Republicans? Now, Democrats are supposed to have a big lead in mail in, and we're getting conflicting information. We're getting information from Nevada from the top reporter there, John Relson, saying, oh boy, tons of rural votes that are more Republican, more Trump, and he's saying that Nevada's in a lot of trouble for Kalma Harris, okay? So Trump more likely to win there. We got a report yesterday, Miami-Dade. More Republicans have sent in votes than Democrats. That's a Democratic county. Okay, now Florida's not in play, but we're talking about the Senate. Yeah, there's a Senate is relevant. Now you got some Democrats running like ads

where they're kind of cozy up to Trump in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Bob Casey is now losing the Democratic senator. Those are all bad. But here's the good news. So so far nationally, and this is why it's such a mystery, Kamala Harris, meaning Democratic mail, now some Democrats might vote, Republican, et cetera, you don't know how they actually voted, but it gives you a good enough sense. She's leading so far in mail-in votes 59-40.

That's a big lead. That's a 19-point lead. But then some folks say, yeah, but what Trump has to do is get, 33% of the mail-in vote, but that's the Republican position. I don't know that that's true at all, but that's what Republicans are saying. So, and then finally, this is actually maybe even better news for Kamala Harris. About 15% of voters are still undecided, according to the New York Times-Syno poll, which is a giant number. I'm shocked that it's that large.

I don't quite believe it. It doesn't match other polls. But anyway, that's good. You want them undecided, especially when you find out that group is leaning 42-32 in, favor of Kamala Harris. If she has a 10 point lead with undecided voters and 15% of voters are undecided, that's great news for Kamala Harris. I'm a little skeptical about that based on all the other polling that I've seen. But so if I didn't see those two facts that I just shared with you, the lead in the mail and vote and leading with undecided voters, I'd be close

to calling the election, right? So, but that still gives me a ray of hope that Kamala Harris can win this thing. And the polling is so all over the place that you know how much I love polling and I believe in polling. But when they're going like this, I don't know what to believe, right? So that's the crazy situation we find ourselves in. Was, what do you think? It's been about six weeks of this of this being a dead heat. At no point, pretty much since Kamala got in the race, she kind of narrowed it to like 47 percent. damn near, you know, automatically. And then, you know, there's times where she's inched forward and in times where she's inched backwards in the race. And now we're just basically like this

thing is dead even. All indications are showing that this is going to be the closest election ever, or at least in our lifetimes. And yeah, I'm not sure what anybody could do to reverse this trend. It feels like we're going to be waiting for probably a week or so. after election day to tally all of these votes. I would just encourage the viewers to buckle up, be patient. Don't panic. Don't listen to anybody who's telling you they know with certainty that Trump is going to win or they know the certainty that Kamala's got this in the bag.

We're in for a long, excruciating close election here, folks. Yeah, there is one possible. exception to that, though, was, because if he's really leading in Pennsylvania, and in this poll he wasn't, Kamala Harris was leading by a point. In other polls, he is leading in Pennsylvania, it could be over in an hour. Like, if he wins Pennsylvania, it's over. Like, yeah, maybe she wins North Carolina, but Democrats have almost given up on North Carolina. So that's your blue wall, she's got to win Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. If he wins Pennsylvania, all of the hoop law about what about the violence? What about weeks long this and all that? No, it could be

over before you know what hit you. So, but that's not at all guaranteed. And there's a billion things like, I don't know, I get it. And there's tons of anecdote, not tons. There's some anecdotal evidence that there are secret Kamala voters. And remember, there were secret women voters, meaning unlikely voters. They're not actually secret. They're not. It just means that they're unlikely voters not showing up in the polling that did show up in 2020. and a special elections for 2023 and made a difference for the Democrats instead of the Republicans. So nothing is certain, but- There are the ballot measures?

Yeah, and so maybe the secret Kamlo voters pull out a win for her. But if anyone, but if one side is going to do a landslide, it's looking more likely that it's Trump. Yeah. I just want to briefly mention before we close out this topic, we've already begun. Normally you'd see this like in the aftermath of an election, but it's because it's to the Democrats and they always do this. They're already starting to like fight amongst themselves about who made or lose even though she hasn't lost yet. I think they like rather than focusing her attention and stopping her from losing, they're just backstabbing each other. And so Axios has this report of a bunch of top Democrats, including top Democrats in the Harris campaign that seem to believe that this thing is lost.

Again, the polls are 50-50, but they're one top Democratic official texted another saying going down question mark, which is just such a strange way to signal your surrender. But anyway, Democrats apparently fear she's made too many different cases against Trump and still hasn't fully revealed herself to voters who crave to know more. She is who she is, one long time Democratic strategist said, let's hope it's enough. I don't know who she is. I mean, I don't know that anybody knows who she is. But anyways, keep going.

Democrats say Harris faces a maddening double standard as Trump threatens to jail adversaries and strip broadcast licenses. Van Jones says he gets to be lawless, she has to be flawless. That's fair. That's funny also, it's well worded. But anyway, and apparently in private conversations, two Axios reporters, top Republicans seem shockingly confident. So that's fun.

Yeah, last things I'll say is normally both sides are confident and one side, I always look good luck guys okay and and you know we've been pretty spot on with stuff like that and in this case for a long time both sides were enormously confident weirdly confident like over the top confident one side all of a sudden is not and remember they also have internal polls that we don't have so those I don't know what those internal polls are showing but on Sunday on October 20th I got the same feeling of doom that I got the weekend before the 2016 election. And, you know, is that anything? It might be absolutely nothing, right?

But it's not just a feeling of like coming out of the blue. No, it's after looking at all of these numbers, all the data, all the anecdotes. And historically, what is more likely to win? And but it did manifest itself as this feeling of doom that Trump was going to win and we were going to have four more years. So look, it's unlikely that Kamala Harris will blow him out unless she's got this massive unlikely voter base, which again, did happen recently. So it's not impossible. But it's either going to be super close or, you know, he might even win the popular vote. They're tied nationally.

And that is astounding. But if he doesn't, the electric college, all he got to do is win by a little bit and it looks like a blowout. So he could come in there and say mandate. And I just guys, it is time to grab your seat belts. You might not need them, but you should put them on. And I just want to quickly say, first of all, I know that like if you join us for election day and if Trump wins, we're going to respond, the rights can be like, they never saw it coming. And obviously we've been saying for literally weeks that he could win.

I mean, we've been saying for like two years that he could win. So I, but they're going to say whatever they're going to say. By the way, they all reject that there's literally any possibility that Trump could lose. So, but anyway, and let's also just acknowledge, like, it's, everybody just thinks it can't happen here. Surely we're too enlightened to fall to an arrogant, blowhard, clownish demagogue. No, I mean, other countries have fallen. Other countries in difficult economic times have had someone who cares more about themselves than the national welfare.

And they've come in and they've given people, you know, an easy scapego of, uh, carry migrants from El Salvador and the Congo or whatever and works them up into a frenzy, a two year hate, and dispatches them and gives them this mythical idea of prior national strength. Like this has worked in other places. There's a reason that demagogues do what they do. And so we can't be too shocked. Obviously it's gonna be a dark time and we're gonna need each other to get through it.

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We appreciate you. John. Okay. Let's have some fun. You can't even define fascism. I challenge Kamala to tell us what it is because a majority of the country doesn't know the word. She needs non-college educated blacks, whites, and Hispanics to turn out for her. And she is smearing her rival as with a mid-20th century European political philosophy.

Okay, Jessica. You can people don't know what Hitler is? She's calling him a fascist. Go out on the street, ask 20 people what that means, Jessica. Okay, send Johnny on the Hitler patrol. I will. Okay, I understand that we're all in our own head, and it's easy to assume that simply because we do not understand a thing that other people do not.

Jesse Waters, I think you need to know your own limitations. Other people seem to have an idea of what it means. Do I think that people could explain it in a fully encompassing academic sense? Perhaps not. But I think people understand at least a little about it. And that's despite the fact that Fox News has had as one of its motivating drives from the very beginning to take words that have a meaning and just make them mean whatever you want. Which is why you can come to a point where Donald Trump routinely calls Harris a fascist,

which never seemed to bother Jesse Water for some reason. But regardless of his concern about the educational attainment of the average American, According to a new ABC News poll, almost half of Americans think that that label does apply to Donald Trump. 49% of registered voters in this survey say that Trump is a fascist. Here's the definition they provided. A political extremist who seeks to act as a dictator, disregards individual rights, and threatens or uses force against their opponents. I think that that's less than half of what it actually means, but it's true enough in its own way. And I think it's good enough for the purposes of this.

And by the way, fewer than half as many, 22% see Harris as a fascist by this definition. And to those 22%, please read a book. I'm begging you to read a book at this point because that's insane. Call her a communist if you want. That's diluted too. But at least it's like in the right direction, I suppose. And in any event, the most important thing perhaps other than the fact that half of America

has been convinced by a decade of Donald Trump to think that he's a fascist, is that that survey was done before all the recent fascism thing. This is before the Kelly comments about Donald Trump pining for Hitler's generals and all of that. And it's even before Harris herself weighed in on this in clips like this. Quoted General Millie calling Donald Trump a fascist. You yourself have not used that word to describe him. Let me ask you tonight, do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Yes, I do. Yes, I do.

And so, you know, those numbers perhaps could tick up in the wake of that. But what do you think? Yeah, I mean, look, the brother said that we should terminate the Constitution. He encouraged a riot against the Capitol. And then when he found out that they were trying to murder his vice president, he said he deserves it. He said that we should use the military to shoot protesters. He says that there's an enemy from within and we need to attack the Democrats and lock them up. What charges would you bring?

Did they break any laws? Doesn't matter. We're locking them up. And so maybe he doesn't do those things. Cross your fingers that he doesn't mean it when he says all those fascist things. But if you ask me what would a fascist say, those are the things that I would pick, right? And the only other thing that I could imagine, you know, given that the most famous fascists in human history were the Germans and they added the anti-semitism, maybe he, the fascist candidate would also say things like Jews have not been loyal enough to me.

Oh right, he said that too. Okay, so I mean, I don't know what else is left. I mean, if this isn't at least at a bare minimum of threatening to be a fascist, what is? What would get you to say, oh, yeah, okay, I see it. Like, would he have, does he have to say, I'd like to have my political opponents murdered? Would that be? Oh, right. When Paul Pelosi almost was murdered by one of his fans, that's Nancy Pelosi's husband. He laughed about it and said, yeah, it was probably his gay lover. If you laugh about how your political opponent's husband might be murdered, you might be a fascist.

So there's a thousand reasons why. And so the Republicans look, man, I talk to them all the time. There's a bunch of things that I agree with, right-wing populist on. But I'm never going to agree to things that aren't true. And so if you're crying about, oh, no, I can't believe you're calling. him a fascist when he's such a lovely normal person no no hard no no way he's not anywhere near normal he's totally unhinged was um i happen to actually more agree with what the general direction of what jessey waters is saying in the sense that i think people have come to understand

like fascist is like the worst version of whoever your opponent is right like we don't we don't rock with the right wingers, and the worst version of that is now called fascists. I don't think it's tethered to any actual, like, definition, you know, that comes out of, you know, Mussolini's government or Adolf Hitler, right? Like a context after World War I were a bunch of these disaffected, you know, PTSD-addled, ex-veterans were really angry, and they were down with these fascist movements. It's like, that's a big part of it. It's like a bunch of these guys went to war in Europe for these imperial powers for absolutely nothing. They get back home and they're freaking destitute.

And, you know, these strong men come around and be like, yo, it's these people's faults. It's a xenophobic messaging. And they build a movement out of that. I don't really think Donald Trump's thing is like correlated to that. But I think fascism, like woke, is just. a descriptor now. It's not tethered to any, like, actual definable thing. Donald Trump, yes, he feels dictatorial. He feels authoritarian. He feels pretty scary in those instincts, for sure. I don't know what makes him more fascist than, you know, some dictator in Nicaragua

or Argentina or any other place. And we just never used those words for those people, for whatever reason, we just seemed, you know, we seem satisfied to just call them right wing sort of authoritarian dictators. I just don't feel married to the term fascist in terms of its description of Donald Trump. I'm not really sure why we got to reach for it all the time, honestly. You know, I have an answer to that. It's because dictator wannabe is too long. Well, that's fair. Right? It's fair. It's tidier, for sure. Yeah, I look, I don't expect that everyone is going to have gone to like, you know, grad school for Polly Si or whatever, but as someone who did do that for a few years, I think, I think, I think, a lot of people use it to mean I don't like this politician. It's why

one in five Republicans can apply it to Kamala Harris in a way that makes literally no sense whatsoever. At the same time, I think that it does make sense. And it doesn't make sense to apply it to Donald Trump because he is in all ways exactly like Mussol. and Adolf Hitler, but when you look at the actual scholars of fascism from the last century, they will give you a list of six to 12 characteristics of fascist movements, encompassing the relationship between the government and businesses, the hearkening back to a mythological earlier period in that nation's history, the trying to mobilize some sort of prior masculinity, the hyper focus on cleanliness and the demonization of sexual perversion. The, as you pointed out,

the xenophobia and the constant focus on both outsiders as well as the enemies within that are taking down society. In some cases, it's supposed to be Jewish people, in some case it's supposed to be gay people. There's always a focus on that. The hyper veneration of the military. There are a lot of characteristics of this and I don't think that Donald Trump has just happened into some of this. I think he has people like Stephen Miller, who I think are very consciously, they're going

back and they're mining fascist speeches to give him new talking points, I think that a lot if it does cross over, I don't think that most people need to think about literally any of this. I think it's a pretty pointless academic endeavor. But I can only speak for myself when I use the term, it's because I think it applies to him. It does not apply to plenty of politicians that I don't like. I don't like Nikki Haley, I don't think she's a fascist, you know. And so like, I didn't like, I don't, Mitt Romney, I don't think he's a fascist. I think in this case, I think Donald Trump is trying as hard as he can to apply those characteristics

to himself. And more importantly, I think, were you to list the different characteristics of a fascist movement and present it to a Jesse Waters, I don't know that he'd have a problem with any of them. He doesn't like the term because we consider a bad. But I don't think he doesn't like the term because he doesn't like the movement. I just think he wants it to be rebranded as something else. Yeah, and trust me, they'll rebranded. Like maybe like harkening back to an earlier time, like make America great again. Something like that. They'll probably something like that. All right, look, last things here. The problem that Waz is pointing out is in some ways is that Democrats cried Wolf so many times on fascism that, you know, Bob Dole's not a fascist, okay? So that when we actually got one, people don't quite believe it. And so that's a giant problem for the Democratic Party. But I agree with John. I think he matches that description to a T. That doesn't mean that he's going to put people in gas chambers or that he already has. So when you think, fascist you think Nazi you think gas chambers, right? So that's why people, well, that's super

extreme. No, but before they got to the gas chambers, they took many, many, many steps. And these were kind of the steps they took. And then finally, I got into a social media fight with Stephen Miller, the guy you mentioned. And he said, oh, you guys are in the party of Dick Cheney now. So you know, you guys are pro-war. I said, okay, great. So are you going to promise that Donald Trump is not going to back? Israel's wars or pay for them? And he's like, well, you guys have Dick Chain. No, no, no, that wasn't the question, brother.

Are you going to back Israel's wars and are you going to pay for it? He said, well, you were for peace and Trump kept everything safe and the Middle East will be fine under us. You didn't answer the question. No. Okay, are you going to pay for Israel's wars and are you going to make us fight him? And there's a reason why he's not answering that question. So look guys, they're not anti-war at all.

They're very militaristic and often very proud of that. So I think a lot, but I think his base is anti-war. So if he wins, I'm super curious what happens when some portions of his base realize, oh, he wasn't any of the things that we wished he was. And we did wish, you know, like, we just hoped that he was these things that we are. Oh, but it turns out he's not, he's just a crook, he'll do anything for donors and has obvious fascist tendencies. He didn't speak like a fascist because he was kidding. He spoke like a fascist because he is a fascist. Yeah. Yeah, and remember, we already had four years with him.

He didn't start any new wars. He also inherited several and didn't get us out of any of them and escalated them during his term. And you're right. I don't think there's going to be gas chambers. He has promised massive concentration camps from migrants, though. I may agree with Waz that I don't know how practical that actually is, but he's certainly trying to use it to appeal to his base. But anyway, I think we can fit in one more quick story. I have a feeling Jenk is going to have thoughts about this. Why don't we jump to this video? What do you think Vice President Harris needs to do, in your view, to avoid a

repeat? Well, first of all, I don't think she has Jim Comey in the wings waiting to kneecap her. So that's good. And I'm very grateful for that. Jesus. Time is a closed loop. And we will always talk about the exact same things until the end of days. But anyway, look, that's Hillary Clinton. And look, I get it. That was bad that that happened. And maybe it had an effect on the election. But it's, If it did, it was many years ago. You don't have to bring it up every single time you're on the news. In any event, she, look, she, it's semi-joking, she's joking, but all jokes have an element

of truth and it clearly still bothers her. But that said, she's worried about what happened, or she's concerned about what happened to her, she seems to think that Harris has done what she needs to do. She went on to say, she had, she's shown the kind of element. empathy and concern about there, the voter's problems, that she'd come forward with her ideas, her suggested policy. So I think she's doing what she needs to do. And from my perspective, you know, that's not only her job, it's the job of all of us who are supporting her. And so she's, yeah, maybe a little bit nervous. Maybe she's worried about something like that happening.

I don't know that Congress is going to launch an investigation of Harris with one week to go or whatever. But it just, as soon as I saw the headlines that she'd brought that up, I had a feeling that it would probably rub you the wrong waging. Yeah, I mean, first thing I'm going to say is, let it go, let it go. So, guys, look, did it cost her the election James Comey coming out right before and go, oh my God, I got to restart the email investigation? Probably, it probably did. But I played team sports, I played individual sports.

And when I was a kid, I thought if the ref made a bad call, I'd get obsessed about it, the injustice, it's not fair, etc. Then I grew up, and I realized you have to win. enough so that a bad call or three bad calls don't affect you. It's your job, your personal responsibility to win, period. You can't be like, oh my God, I had something popped up at the last second that could hurt me. Yeah, of course, it's an election. It's called an October surprise, right?

We know that a thing can pop up that could affect you. It might have helped if you went to some of the swing states. That might have helped. It might have helped if you didn't blow a billion dollars in advertising. And right now the Democrats are saying one of the reasons some of the Democratic insiders are starting to become despondent is because they hit Trump with a billion dollars of ads and it didn't work. It didn't move the numbers at all because people don't believe your ads anymore. So it just, anyway, you were going to say something? I was just say it didn't give her a lead.

That doesn't mean it didn't move the numbers. It's possible that had they not done that, he'd be up by five or six points because Americans are frustrated by years of inflation and all that. It seems like it didn't move the numbers. Like, remember, because her surge came in the beginning when she's like, Tim Walls, price gouging, housing prices are going to be lower. It was like, yeah, yeah. Then she's like, didn't mean it. I love corporate CEOs. I love Dick Cheney.

Don't worry, nothing will fundamentally change. I was the change candidate, but I don't want to be. Why? Why? Change Kennedy was good. You gained like, Biden was down by eight. She wound up getting up by six at one point, 14 point surge. And she's like, oh, I got a great idea.

Let me change strategy completely. I only went up 14 freaking points. I agree, yeah. It's so dumb. Anyways, but that goes to the Hillary point. Come on, Hillary, you had a billion chances to make a difference. You're still complaining about James Comey. And that's the one thing that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump share.

Their hatred of James Comey. I mean, poor James Comey, man. If either one of them wins, okay, that guy. guys have to slammer either way. Okay, so, and here's who cares about Jim Comey coming out right before the election with that, you know, devastating news for Hillary Clinton, which turned out to be a nothing burger. Hillary Clinton, that's the only person in the country who cares.

No one else, why are we talking about something that happened eight years ago? Why did you bring that up? Baran was. Yeah, she's never going to let this go. She's going to die on this Comey Hill. She's gonna die being bitter, and as I've said many times already, especially with these elite Democrats, we see it with this election. They're lining up the black man to take the fall for Kamalist inevitable defeat. For Hillary, it was Comey and the Russian bots when, you know, shouts to Ken Clippenstein.

He like did a nice little report about like election foreign tampering. It's crap. They're not doing anything that moves a needle whatsoever, but that didn't stop Hillary from using that as an excuse. And, you know, as always, the Democrats, people like Hillary Clinton can never fail. They can only be failed. And that's more of the same that we're going to see. And I guarantee you winner if Kamala Harris loses this election is going to be that same damn blame game all over a game. And realistically, to me, if anybody's to blame, is Sleepy Joe Biden.

refusing to let go of power and doing this thing at the 11th hour that, you know, shoehorned Kamala Harris into this race. And, you know, here we are. Yeah. And the funny thing is some of Kamala Harris people agree with you. It was like, wasn't us. It's Joe Biden's fault. So that kind of blame game will go on for eight years from our Kamala Harris will be on a television show going, if it wasn't Biden, you know, leaving too late, I would have won. Wasn't for those dastardly kids.

I would have been in the White House. Anyway, I hope she wins. It's not over at all, at all. It's a very close race, as far as we can tell. Everybody check out Wazni Lombray, senior staff writer at the ringer. Everybody check out John, almost called him Jank. That was weird. Unsettling.

Check Jank out too, man. We got to keep checking you out, Jank. Come on now. Okay, but for now, check out, John. I'm Damage Report, great show. So when we come back in the next hour, Trump goes on Joe Rogan. I mean, that is one of the few things that could actually cost them to election. So let's talk about it.

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