The Young Turks - Why Chris Cuomo Was Right

Episode Date: August 14, 2019

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Welcome to the Young Turks. Jake Uger, John, I'd roll out with you guys. So I'm particularly jazzed about today's show, particularly jazzed. I thought you might be. Okay, so Chris Cuomo gets in a fight. You're gonna be shocked to find out we're gonna defend him. Or at least I'm gonna defend him. I don't know what you're gonna say.

Are you perspurching my Italian nature? Oh, that's right. Because my people are a little bit fired up these days, okay? All right. What am I thinking? over here. You're gonna go against Italians? So we'll get to that obviously in a second.

And then a little bit later in the program, Bill de Blasio is on tonight, live. So check that out at 8 o'clock Eastern right here, t.com. And then, and I'm gonna ask him why he's so unpopular in Manhattan. I'm just keeping it real, okay? So that, but wait till you get the full numbers. It's fascinating. Obviously he's running for president, mayor of New York. And then later tonight for the members, you'll get to watch live.

Ron Perlman is going to be doing old school with Ben and I, okay? So Hellboy slash Sons of Anarchy slash 28 other shows and movies. So it'll be great. So that's at 9.30 Eastern tonight. But there's so many great stories in today's show. So I want to get started. So John, what's up? Yes.

You're going to have a problem. What are you going to do about it? I'll ruin you. I'll throw you down these things like a punk. So there you have Chris Cuomo. I apologize for the delay. I didn't realize that JR had put in his head as the bleeping thing. So that's CNN's Chris Cuomo and he was apparently accosted over the weekend by a couple

of individuals who were filming him. It's not clear if he knew that he was being filmed, it's very, it's much below his line of sight. So I have to imagine he didn't know he was being filmed. But he responded in an aggressive fashion, as you can probably already tell from the beginning of there, they come up, they call him Fredo, he's not a fan of that. And he'll expand on that in this next clip. I thought that I thought that's who you were.

No, punk-ass bitches from the right call me Fredo. My name is Chris Cuomo. I'm an anchor on CNN. Frato is from the Dodfather. It was our weak brother. Isn't that your brother? And they use it as an Italian aspersion. Any of you Italian?

You Italian? It's an insult to your people. It's an insult to your people. It's like the end word for us. Is that a cool thing? You're a much more reasonable guy in person than you seem to be on television. If you want to play, then we'll play. You got something you want to say about what I do on television and say it.

But don't be going to call me your fucking song. What? What's the problem? You're going to have a big problem. What's the problem? It's a little different on TV. Don't insult me like that. I don't insult you.

It's like I call you punk bitch. You like that? You want that to be your nickname? I didn't call you that. You called me Fredo. I thought you need was. You did not think my name was Frato. Don't you know.

You want to be a man. Stand up like a man. I'm standing up, man. You want to be a man. You want to be a man out here. They know what you said. Hey, then on what you said. Listen, man, I don't have a problem with you, man.

You're gonna have a problem. What, what are you gonna do about it? I'll fucking ruin you, I'll throw you down these stairs like a fucking pump. Please do. Why, so you don't want to do it? So you can sue? Well, why don't you do it? Go take a swing.

Take a swing. Watch your hands. I'm not gonna say this. Watch your hands. Take a swing. No, no, come up, boy. Come up, boy. So you want to call me, call me, call me.

Hey, listen, man, I'm right. I'm not doing anything. I'll fucking wreck your shit off. You didn't know what you were doing with you? Okay, so I have a thousand things to say about this, but let's start with the fundamentals. If you're not used to it, our senior producer, J.R. Jackson, puts his face when there's a bleep. I've never noticed that before. His face was on pretty much constantly near the end there.

There was a lot of cursing there. And so I'm not going to get to say my favorite line completely because we can't curse here, but I'm going to ruin your, let's say, crap. Okay? That, oh my God, I'm gonna be telling that to everybody I'd run into. Anyway, so the other person that, from our staff that, of course, I was reminded of there was Anna Kaspari, because I knew it and she texted me as soon as she saw the video. She's like, I love that. And she's like, a lot of people are defending Chris Cuomo.

She's like, what do you mean defending? I think what he did was awesome. What's there to defend? She didn't view it as a negative that had to be defended. She viewed it as incredible positive. I think there's one significant negative that we will get into, of course. Hold. But I get what you're saying.

Yes. The part, of course, that really got her was when he said, if you want to play, then we'll eff in play. That's such an Anna line. That's her line, yeah. He also stole her line where she always threatens to throw people down a flight of stairs. He took that from her. Yeah, yeah.

Well, now, remember the other guy who threatened that, I think, was like the Italian legislator from New York, so it's getting to be a little bit of a theme there. So Italian thing. Okay, John, I don't know, John's Italian, I'm Mediterranean, he's Italian, right? So, and look, we're gonna talk a lot more about this, but the guys that taped this, and we know this because the first place the video showed up, what is on a right-wing YouTube channel. So they were right-wingers, and they were trying to provoke him.

Yeah, that's the first point that I want to make. So the way that this first got onto Twitter was a right-wing media figure talking about his source on this story. So he had tweeted on 81119 in Shelter Island, New York, my source that sent this in says he was just asking for a photo and thought his name was Fredo from being an avid listener of Rush Limbaugh. And that's the thing, we really, really need to stop pretending that this is a country where where we disagree about things.

That's not the biggest issue we're dealing with. It's that some of us have an attachment to having what we say and do be reflective of truth and reality, and some people are just liars. That guy did not think that his name was Fredo, the right wing media person who tweeted that doesn't think that the guy thought his name was Fredo. They're just lying, that's all it is. And the issue is that the incentives are all wrong because their audience, whether it's for whoever's going to end up seeing this video or the person who follows his Twitter person

does not care if they're lied to fundamentally. Yeah, so look, I'm gonna get into the Yuga response rule in a second, which is gonna be fun. But first, on that point, the reason, you might be wondering why they're right wingers. They say all sorts of outrageous things all the time, why are they bothering to pretend that they thought his name was Fredo? What a weird lie, everybody knows that's not true, everybody in the right wing knows that they didn't really think his name was Fredo. Because it sets up their ability to do a feigned offense. Yeah. Like, oh my God, I'm so offended.

I'm just, you know, innocent guy stumble upon Chris Cuomo. I don't know who he is and I thought his name was Fredo. And all of a sudden, this guy is yelling at me. So everybody makes sure that you attack Chris Cuomo, even though I purposely provoked him. But me, I didn't purposely, I am so innocent. And God, I am so offended by what Cuomo is. You're not offended, get the hell out of here. The whole thing is a scam.

And this is how disingenuous this is. I mentioned this on the damage report this morning. So these guys would have you believe that they recognized him, Chris Cuomo, but don't know who he is because they don't watch his show. They thought his name was Fredo because that's what Rush Limbaugh calls him. So they visually recognized a person they don't know from a radio program. I mean, do we have to bother? But the thing is, we kind of do because the mainstream media won't say it.

The right wing lies on a regular basis as a matter of course. That's their modus operandi. So for, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I can't call the right wing liars, I have to call it even. No, it's not even. He's lying about not knowing his name, everybody knows it, and it's done on purpose. It's a provocation. And by the way, again, it's not neutral.

The right wing does provocations on a regular basis. I mean, if you think Fredo's bad, you should get a load of one. they call me. And I'm so used to it that I'm not easily provoked, but sometimes some guy will wander onto a set that he doesn't belong on and trespass, et cetera. And so I'll get into the Alex Jones example in a second as well. But understand, and media, look, if you're calling it even, you're actively being misleading to your audience.

One side does dirty tricks, way more than the other side, almost exclusively. One side purposely lies almost exclusively. You can disagree with the left, but I don't see anyone doing organized campaigns to try to take people down, lie about it, run these scams, et cetera, on the left when there's a thousand of them on the right. And if you're a real reporter and your objective, you would say, oh, you know what, Jake, you're wrong, maybe I found two on the left, and it turns out 980 on the right. But instead, you do a false equivalency, and it lets them get away with stuff like this,

as if it's Cuomo's fault, as if it's the person who's being attacked who's at fault. Which actually, look, gets me into the Hugo Responsible. Once somebody agitates you or provokes you on purpose as part of an effort to get under your skin, to attack you verbally or otherwise, you don't get to hold the other person responsible when you started the altercation, okay? So now, there is a limit to the Yuga response rule if Cuomo had pulled out a gun and shot the guy in the head. I'd say, okay, he went too far.

You shouldn't have done that. What if he pushed him? Look, I know we're gonna, it's a fair question and there are lines. I'm not saying there aren't lines. And guys, please, please, trying to make sure that it's not physical. I mean, it took every effort I had not to punch Alex Jones in the face when he broke onto our set. Miraculously, I didn't, okay? I was surprised you didn't actually.

But so we try not to cross that line, but even if I had, no, look, don't do it, don't do it. But what drives me crazy is everyone loses focus of the guy who provoked him because he's not a name. So they send out these little minions, like almost literally, right? These little minions, henchmen running around, eh, ha, ha, ha, trying to provoke everyone in the left, the center, anyone who's sane, rational, et cetera. And then as soon as someone is provoked by the original agitation, everybody forgets the original agitator because he's not famous. So he's done, or even if he is famous. And all they do is fall for the right wing scam of, well, we should blame the guy who was attacked.

So stop it, stop blaming the guys who were attacked. Have you ever been attacked like that, forget physically, verbally. Like maybe a couple of times your life, maybe a bully in high school, et cetera. Now imagine every single day, imagine the worst time you were ever bullied. in high school. Again, me, I don't mind, man, I used to kick bully's ass over all the time. In high school, I've told those stories in the post game for our members, et cetera. So they're coming up, barking up the wrong tree when they come from me.

But if you're, especially if you're a person who hasn't dealt with that 24-7 and somebody is attacking you and attacking you and attacking you and provoking you and provoking you, then you're supposed to say things that are perfectly rational. You're not supposed to make any mistakes when you're at your most agitated. And if you make a single mistake or you say something wrong, we're supposed to hold that against you for the rest of your life? My answer to that is, hell no, hell no. Yeah, I don't have it held against you.

I do think that keeping it together to the extent that you can is in your best interest, not only because I strive to be a literal Vulcan, but also because I don't want to give them what they want. And so I've been in situations like that. I've had cameras shoved in my face and people trying to like get under my skin and everything. And I didn't want to have to deal with more of it, and so I just didn't give it to them. Yeah, I hear you, that's the ideal. Yeah, Cuomo probably gets it a lot more, I would imagine.

I imagine most of the times when he goes out, there's some, you know, like the aged frat boy who's getting in his face just like that guy. And by the way, his family was with him. And that's a whole other level, man. So one time some guy started saying and doing things to me when my kids were there, man, that's it. And then you're going to say, oh, Jake, you reacted poorly? No, no, no, no, no.

Don't come at me with my little kids next to me. That's insanity. No, it is 100% your fault. I'm not having a conversation about whether it's our fault or not for how we reacted to you being a douche. Yeah. Now, we'll get back to defending him, but I want to add a little wrinkle, and it starts with his sort of semi-apology on Twitter.

So he tweeted this, appreciate all the support, but truth is I should be better than the guy's baiting me. This happens all the time these days, often in front of my family, but there's a lesson, No need to add to the ugliness. I should be better than what I oppose. And he did get a lot of support, not just from people on Twitter, there was tons of responses to that, but a spokesperson for CNN said Chris Cuomo defended himself when he was verbally attacked with the use of an ethnic slur in an orchestrated setup.

We completely support him. And that's why let's just stop off briefly for my criticism, which I think I can give since I am Italian, it's not an ethnic slur. I mean, it's adjacent to an ethnic slur, but it's not. And that's how they pitched it by CNN. He said in the video, it's like the N word for us. It's not. It's not anything like the N word for us.

It's not even the worst thing people call Italians. I could name at least a couple of things that I've been called as in Italian that are way worse than Afraido. Don't do it. Don't do it. No, I'm Italian. I can say it. It's like the fifth worst thing you could call an Italian. Yeah.

I begrudgingly agree. It's not like the N word. Nothing's like the N word, stop saying things like the N word. He's agitated, I get it, but it's not like the N word. So look, John, you're right, but it falls under the Ugo response rule, which is, okay, he says something a little out of bounds when directly provoked and completely agitated. So was it the right thing to say? No, do I give him a 100% pardon?

Yes. Yeah, that's because I'm a Vulcan and you're a Kling on. We get how this goes at this point. So that's where I just briefly want to be like, you only lost me there. Other than that, I get it. And in fact, I love it. Yeah, I mean, Ben then was joking around with me on text and Ben Manquit's one of Marcos. And he called me Kamal, like as in Kamal Ataturka, a Turkish name, right?

I was like, I could list literally a thousand things that I've been called that's worse. But you have to remember it that what Cuomo is agitated about is not the particular name. And now people are all digging up any time that anybody said Fredo on CNN and blah, blah, they're like Fetticini Alfredo, does that count? Okay. It does, actually. Yeah. No, that's not the point.

The reason that Cuomo was so exercised is because they were trying to provoke him. And he knows that. He's like, he's with his family, he's on his own private time, and here comes these right wingers trying to agitate him and get in his face and purposely mock him. And that's what set him off. Yeah, that's true. Right. And in that moment, he has that response.

In fact, so let me just finish the thought here on the Alex Jones example. If you guys didn't see, although at this point it's a little hard not to have seen it if you live, if you've ever got on the internet, when Alex Jones busted on there are set in the RNC and the Republican National Convention, he was trespassing on the set. It was actually Google said we were doing the show on and he brought Roger Stone with him. And in the beginning, I'm like, okay, this is annoying, but it's, you know, what am I going to do, right? And security doesn't exist, the Republican National Convention. It backs the thugs. And we literally called security because then they got physical, et cetera, and the cops are like, they're Republicans.

I don't care. They didn't even kick them out. So anyway, then he put up this really offensive shirt, and that's what set me off, et cetera. And in the midst of that, I yelled at him. Again, shockingly didn't do anything physical, although we got close. Anna said something to him that she quote unquote shouldn't have said and the people have been criticizing her ever since. And they're like, are you going to make her apologize?

There is less than a 0% chance. Never, never, never, never, okay? We were shockingly diplomatic. One of our members actually offered him iced tea. That's right. That's right. Jimmy Dorr offered him the iced tea that was in his mouth that wound up on Alex's face. And they're like, well, I mean, are you going to make him apologize for that?

Hell no. Never, never, never. Nope. Okay, look, conservatives think that if someone steps onto your property, you're allowed to shoot them dead. And then they're going to pretend that they're offended, that this guy busts onto our set, breaks the furniture, basically, throws stuff around, puts incredibly offensive stuff on our live on our air. And then you're offended? Somebody called him the wrong word or, or, you know, let go of their iced tea on his face. You're not offended.

It was just a spit tank, classic spit tank. Yeah, if a liberal had done that and somebody had shot him, you'd defend him 100%. You'd be like, hey, you're trespassing, he was trespassing, stand your ground, stand your ground, right? That's what you would do. That's what you would do. So please, spare me your BS so-called outrage. I do have some BS outrage for you, though. So if we want to turn now to Chris Cuomo received quite a bit of support after the video

that's been leaked obviously, but not everybody was a big fan of him as a result of it, including one of the biggest babies in the country. Donald Trump tweeted, would Chris Cuomo be given a red flag for his recent rant, filthy language and a total loss of control? He shouldn't be allowed to have any weapon. He's nuts. No, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. We'll get to the fifth language in a second.

But you're talking about a guy who's easily triggered and shouldn't have weapons. You almost nuked the country because someone called you a dotard. You remember Kim Jong-un insulted him before they became lovers? And he was like, oh, my button's bigger than your button. I can press it at any time. You were talking about how Cuomo was triggered. You, of all people, you can trigger Trump with saying almost anything. Any famous person can say anything slightly negative.

Hey, you know, your hair's a little out of place. Oh, nook you. I can do anything. That's you, you orange clown. Okay, and you're talking about not having access to weapons. You have access to nuclear weapons. That's why they should do the 25th Amendment immediately and remove you from office. You're a mentally unstable fool to get even, see, to show you how stupid he is.

This is not the fight you want to pick if you're Donald Trump. You want to fight on your moral high ground. This is your moral low ground. I know if you could ever find it with Trump. But God, this is your particular weakness out of many weaknesses. But like you get easily triggered. Everybody knows that. Do you want to see some examples?

Yes. Well, first of all, I would say if anyone has lost control, in the context of this video, it's Donald Trump who's already selling the t-shirt, Fredo Unhinged. You can take a look at this. They're already selling a t-shirt. And the crazy thing is somebody's going to buy it, even though in three days nobody's going to be thinking about this. Who would wear that shirt?

You look like a madman, but that's their supporters. So let's go back. We're going to show you some historic examples of Trump losing control, getting triggered, and some recent ones. First of all, he was so bothered by how few people. people attended his inauguration that he literally ordered the crowd photos to be edited, and they were edited, in fact, they were cropped to make it look like the audience was bigger, but he got over it, except that he didn't, because he still brings it up to these days.

He brought up the crowd sizes, not that crowd, but a different crowd size to the people who just survived a terror attack like a week ago. In El Paso? Yes, exactly. Child. Look, I'm gonna get to Fredo in a second. Yes, at one point, John Oliver criticized him a couple years ago, so he tweeted this. John Oliver had his people call me to ask me to be on his very boring and low-rated show.

I said, no thanks. Waste of time and energy. John Oliver doesn't even have politicians on his show. It's not a guest show. It never happened. But he lost his mind. He lost his mind off over Broadway. He said, the cast and producers of Hamilton, which I hear is highly overrated.

No one's saying that. I think it's very well-rated. But should immediately apologize to Mike Pence for their terrible behavior because they were rude to the vice president or whatever. A play triggered him. A play's never triggered anything. So you got that, let's see. He got made fun of on a show that, in his defense, doesn't generally mock politicians.

It's called SNL. Nothing funny about Tired Saturday Night Live on fake news NBC. Question is, how do the networks get away with these total Republican hit jobs without retribution? Likewise for many other shows, very unfair, it should be looked into. This is the real collusion. He accused a sketch comedy show of collusion with who? I don't know.

I honestly don't know. When you get triggered by comedians doing jokes about you when you're the president of the United States, you don't get to go around talking about how other people are triggered. So now let's talk about the Fredo comment. So Frato in the context of the godfather, not the slur, okay? You know, people are now saying, hey, Don Jr. tweeted about it. And isn't that ironic? Although with Eric in the picture, there is a real battle for the Fredo title.

Yeah. Okay, having said that, you know who the real Fredo is? Donald Trump. Donald Trump was the dumb sibling. And Fred Trump knew it. His father was vicious but successful and smart and savvy business person. And Donald Trump couldn't manage his way out of a wet paper bag. So his dad had to constantly bail him out, give him money, rescue him.

him, six different bankruptcies, but on top of that, I remember that story where they admitted it, they confessed this and they had to pay a fine, where he, Donald Trump was so broke, his father went out and got millions of dollars from one of his casinos and then didn't gamble it, just so basically gifted him several million dollars, which is illegal, you can't do that, you've got to pay taxes on it, and they paid a fine on it later. But that's what he had to do, he's like, my bumbling, stupid son that I can't get rid of. What a baby, how sad. That's why Trump always says, sad, baby.

Remember when he used to tweet that all the time? Because that's what his dad called him. His dad thought he was Fredo. And he's like, oh, he sent his lawyer, that go down to Atlantic City, bail Fredo out again, that dumb, poor son of a bitch. And so that's what your dad thought of you. He thought you were pathetic. That's why he has such thin skin.

That's why he gets triggered so easily because he knows he's Frado. And so that's why Trump's like, oh, no, no, you're sad. You're the baby. Not me, not like daddy said, not like daddy said. You loser, your dad gave you $413 million and you squandered it. You threw it away because you don't know anything because you're a dummy. Okay, you're talking about other people being Fredo. You're lucky your family didn't have a lake.

Oh, I get that reference. Okay, so let's turn to the filthy language because that was, I think that was his principal issue with what Chris Cuomo said. Donald Trump doesn't like dirty language. So in that tweet, he said it was filthy. Let's jump ahead to the last video. J.R. Jackson put together a little mashup of some of our president's language in recent years. A country's going to hell.

It's going to hell. What the hell are we doing? Knock the hell out of them. My tax proposal cuts the hell out of taxes. I don't give a damn. He gets the nomination. They're going to sue his ass off. We'll beat their shit out of them.

Let them beat the shit out of ISIS also. They're ripping their shit out of. the sea. We're going to knock the out of ISIS. Going to knock the shit out of it. Whoever the hell brought this mic system, don't the son of a bitch to put it in. I'll tell you

shouldn't pay the best. But it's political bullshit. She said he's a f***. And you can tell them to go themselves. You're not going to raise that price. You understand? This in your filthy language.

Come on. Look, I don't care about curses at all because we're not hypocrites and we're not little cry babies like the right wing where when Donald Trump did, oh, that's a tough guy way to use curses and get the lips, you're living Fred free inside their heads, yeah, right? And anytime anyone liberal or otherwise, just everyone they have, anyone who's not a monster they have in the liberal category, okay, for the rest of the country, anytime somebody uses the slightest little curse word, they're like, I have the vapors, I have the vapors, they use That's the curse word.

Yeah, he said hell, okay? Which one is it? Make up your mind. Yeah. Look, I don't know how you live with yourselves being so incredibly stupid all the time. Like literally, they will watch a Trump tape of him cursing, be like, attaboy, they'll watch a liberal cursing, I mean, even a much lower curse, I'm like, this is why the country's ruined.

Nobody's listening to the Bible anymore. This is why the country's going to hell. Oh, oh no, oh no, oh no. How do you live with yourself? I said it again. God, how do they not see the hypocrisy? I guess that's what happens when you're not that bright. Perhaps.

Just don't swear about it. Okay, I think we should probably take our first breath. Oh, I think so. But I'm just getting warmed up. Yeah. Yes, we'll return with Godfather 2. All right, we'll be right back. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-Fing the Republic or UNFTR.

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Thomas says, here's the headline, right-wingers cry over Chris Cuomo's swearing. That would be a more accurate headline, that's right. Jesse 22, Ray says, Cuomo has become a Casparian. It's a great day. I like that. Pork Chop Express says Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity versus Chris Cuomo, Jane Hugar. Ding, ding. I'll do that rhetorically.

I'll do that verbally and kind of have. Yeah, or physically. Yeah, the only exception here is that Sean Hannity actually defended him. He did, he did. Although we have to acknowledge that, although I'm not a telepath, I think the only reason Sean Hannity defended him is because Sean Hannity harbors some sort of fantasy where somebody a person gets in his face and gets to shoot them. So that's the reason I think.

But he did defend him in his defense. Yes, I'll leave it at that. Amira, Amira writes in, seeing John as a Vulcan and Jank as a Klingon clarifies so much. Church! What were the, I keep, I don't know why I'm blanking on this, I'll constantly want to call them the Kardashians in Star Trek. I'm not a nerd. I don't know what the Cardassian Empire, I mean.

Cardassian, that's what it is. So I think that in that equation, Anna would be the Kardashians. I'm not to think about that more. Okay. Anyway, Michael Napin says, John isn't a Vulcan. he's a crusher, hashtag boy on the bridge. As in Wesley Crusher, get that boy off the bridge. Okay, that's a deep Star Trek reference.

Okay, that's basically as a nerd, that's like calling an Italian Fredo, basically. Don't call me Crusher, okay? I'm going to throw you down a turbillift shaft. I'm going to find a Jeffrey's tomb, and I'm going to... Okay, all right. If you actually did that when you were actually agitated, that would be the greatest thing that ever happened. Like, I think that's the most intimidating a person could be.

Yeah. That's, thankfully, not the truth. I will go warp drive on you right now. But that's not anywhere near as good as the ones you did. Open up a can of transwarp conduit. Okay. You want to talk about some animals? I think I've done enough damage to myself.

Ben isn't watching, is he? Oh, my God. Just would not be good for me. No. Okay, let's talk about some animals, actually. Okay. And not targs. Anyway, the Trump administration's war against animals continue, this time targeting endangered

and threatened species. On Monday, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced they were pushing through changes to the Endangered Species Act that will, in effect, weaken protections for species and possibly give industry more leeway to develop areas where threatened animals live. So this, to me, reads like the onion, but it's true, and they're doing it. They're coming after the ESA, the Endangered Species Act. And I want to give you a little bit of history on the act, what it's intended to do,

and what the American people think about it so far. It was passed back in 1973, and since then it's been credited with helping the rebound of the bald eagle. Literally the bald eagle. Who needs it? The grizzly bear, the humpback whale, and many other species living throughout the U.S. About 83% of Americans, including a large majority of conservatives, support the act. And according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the act has prevented the extinction of 99% of the species it protects. So it is successful, it is popular, and so obviously it must go.

If dogs were on the Endangered Species Act, Trump would be impeached. Oh, you should watch this morning as the damage before. I went through all of the different dog metaphors he uses. He thinks that, I don't know what he thinks dogs are. The way he talks, people have been fired like dogs, choked like dogs, begged like dogs. They do beg, that's the only one. Yeah. So look, I'm gonna have a surprisingly nuanced look at this.

I'm gonna give you two parts of this, that one that go in two different directions, and then I will get back to bald eagles and grizzly bears. So on the one hand, one of the outrageous parts of this is they're saying that you should not take climate change into account when deciding if some species is endangered. What? Why not? listen to 99% of the world's scientists when we're trying to figure out a science problem. Hey, we're going to do math. I don't want any mathematicians in the room. Okay, see,

then you might be a little bit against the math that's going to, and the results that you know is going to come out. On the other hand, the current law does not allow you to reference possible economic or other impacts that the rules have. I don't think that makes sense. Now, do I trust the Trump administration to do that calculus right? They're like, oh, economic consideration. My buddies get to do drilling on public lands and it kills the grizzly bears. Well, I save five bucks, good enough for me, right? I know that they're not going to do that right, but I think it's, I don't think it's right to never consider economic considerations.

What if saving one small species or the potential of saving one small species causes a trillion dollars? Yeah, one small species, one stupid Lorax, you know, why should we consider these things? No, I hear you. But I think that we should have the full range of considerations, economic and obviously environmental, scientific, and all of those. And by the way, it's not just about animals if you're one of the few Americans who don't care about animals at all.

And that really is a tiny minority because people, like, you touch their dogs that you're done for, right? That's the third rail, right, if you talk about people's dogs. You can talk terrible stuff about people's families, themselves, their kids, that's all fine and fair game. Well, they shouldn't have brought the kids here, it's their fault. Yeah, that's right, we should crush the kids. But you talk about their dog, hey, hey, not my dog, right?

But it's not just about the animals, guys, it's also about us. If the bees go extinct, we're screwed. Now, look, the bees are not in imminent danger of extinction, but they're in a lot of danger overall. We have massive problems with the bees, but the problem is talking to people who aren't smart. So you talk to the right way. It's go, what do I care about the bees?

Well, how do I help you if you're an idiot? You don't understand how science works, life works, biology works, and how we're all connected. And if the bees don't spread the pollen, we're all screwed. What do I care of the bee? We're not talking the same language. So for example, look, now back to the animals. I think if you told people about, hey, you know, do you want the bald eagles to be extinct? They'd be like, hell no, that's the symbol of American pride, etc.

Grizzly bears, no, what would know? I'm sure they'd be shocked that there's even a possibility. But look, John already gave you the numbers. It's not complicated. 83%, 83%, they don't even know the specific animals support this law. He's going to go against it anyway. But when you talk about, for example, the new ones that are potentially on the extinct species could go on it. Polar bears, people like, no, that's in Kocads, I like polar bears.

I don't want them going extinct. Seals, I know seals, no. Whooping cranes, guarantee the right wing will take whooping cranes out of the list. You'll see it later. Oh, yeah, the lips want to protect whooping cranes. They're causing your jobs because of whooping cranes. Like, I know because I already saw this movie. When it was a caribou that was in trouble, they're like, caribou.

I don't know the movie, actually. Yeah, not the movie. Oh, okay. Is that a movie? No, I remember Rush Limbaugh talking about, oh, they came about the carapute. Yeah. By the way, if you just called them deer, they'd be like, whoa, that's Bambi, no, no, no, we've got to protect the deer. So I don't know, maybe we'd just dumb it down so that the right wing can understand it.

Trump is going to go after Bambi. Yeah. So I would also say, I think that this is a great example, and I'm just going to go a second over, this is a great example of where we've gotten into a position where there are They're passionate environmentalists, passionate pro-animal people. We feature them on the damage report all the time. But it's not a mainstream position and neither of the two parties has really taken it seriously at all. Even after portions of the green movement were incorporated in the Democratic Party, it hasn't

been pushed. We're now like the centrist position is defending the ESA, which is legislation from more than 50 years ago. That's not like, yay, let's save the ESA, the ESA should be the ground floor that we build far more bold proposals based on. I don't want to just stop them from expanding the areas that can be infringed by corporations. I would make massive national parks throughout the U.S. I would blanket it with new trees to help absorb some of the carbon and help mitigate some of the effects of climate change.

I would go way, you wouldn't be able to see the ESA from where I would end up if I was in charge of the legislation, but nobody has really been pushing for anything on top of the ESA for literally decades in elected government at the very least. And so that's where we are, where we've just been hanging on to these veterans. of the environmental movement from half a century ago, and now the right wingers have taken over and they get to shred it in the pursuit of corporate profits. So last thing on this is important context. You know who passed the Endangerous Species Act back in 1973?

Richard Nixon. Yeah. Now, Richard Nixon was a little right of Attila the Hun. So why did he pass it? He also founded the Environmental Protection Agency. Was it a huge environmentalist? No, he hated environmentalists. He did it because back then progressives were so strong that we bent Nixon to our will.

He was afraid of, you know who he was really afraid of? Ralph Nader, I'm not kidding, look it up. Yeah. So that's why he did OSHA to protect American workers and their safety because of Nader's raiders. Now, why were progressive so strong back then? And now since then, as John pointed out, we haven't been able to add on to it at all. And we've been going constantly playing defense and going backwards. Because in 1976 and 1978, the Supreme Court said corporations can give money to politicians.

And then we were done for. It's the corruption, stupid. That's the answer. Why would someone take away a law or damage a law that 83% of Americans are in favor of in a democracy? Because we don't have one. It's the corruption, stupid. They bought off all of our politicians because of those two Supreme Court cases.

You've got to amend the Constitution to go above the Supreme Court, wolf dash pack.com. You know what, ironically, that would also protect the wolves. That would be a win-win. There you go. No wonder we called it Wolfpack. All right, we got to take a quick break. When we come back, we have so much more for you guys, including mainstream media going after Bernie Sanders.

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saying government tree planting programs have been very successful in the past. They can give citizens jobs and benefit the environment. I love seeing the giant rows of uniform trees in northern Michigan from one of these programs. I want to see that. And you're not alone. Remember the guy who loved the trees in Michigan, Mitt Romney. Remember he had that funny comment about how all the trees in Michigan. Oh, yes, vaguely. Yeah, I barely remember. But he said something about how they're all the same height or something.

So, or maybe he wasn't wrong. Remember when Mitt Romney seemed like a radical Republican? Anyway, Norris Valcari says, can I just say John has never been sex here? Hashtag nerd life? That might be true, but that's still sad. Yeah, it's a low bar. Low bar. Okay, anyway, hammer dances.

I know Republicans are currently endangered. Maybe that's the motivation. But then they would want to protect the Endangered Species Act. But still, I like the way you're thinking. I love this one. Theater goddess says, Trump going after the law that protects bald eagles is personal. It's payback for the one that attacked him. That is true.

That gives been going around a lot lately. That's right. Okay. Okay, Onja, you're exactly honest, she writes, or this person writes, how many times is that iPad going to fall? It's happened a lot. All right, anyway, if anyone didn't know that Tiffany Haddish presents, They Ready, show that Ida did an episode of premiered on Netflix today. That's right. And so it dropped today, and as everyone but John knows, Netflix, all of them appear at the same time.

He's talking about it off here. I'm gonna come up with an example where that's not true. Okay, anyway, Ida is episode number number. number three, okay? Make sure you check it out. It's fantastic. Very funny. Yeah. Meanwhile, one of the thing I want to tell you guys is vote for us on the streamies. Please vote every day. This one you actually can do voter fraud. It's not voter fraud if you vote every day. You're supposed to vote every day. It's an audience award. It judges the strength of your audience, and I believe ours is a little too strong. So we're Young Turks for News, happy

half hour for comedy and the conversation for podcasts. So the main thing to go to is t-y-t.com slash T-Y-T-Streamies. T-Y-T-Streamies, okay? So please check that out. All right, John, what's next? Okay, let's turn now to immigration. If you've been watching developments in the Trump administration immigration policy over the past few years, it's very easy to see that in this story, we know who the villain is at this point. But they're not satisfied. And in an attempt to reach cartoon supervillain levels, they're taking issue now with even like sympathetic poems about immigrants. Ken Cuccinelli, who's currently the acting director of the USS Citizenship and Immigration Services, was asked about the, you know, the famous poem at the base of the

Statue of Liberty. They give me your tired, your poor, and take a look at his spin on it. Would you also agree that Emma Lazarus's words etched on the Statue of Liberty, give me your tired, your poor are also part of the American ethos? They certainly are. Give me you're tired and your poor who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge. That plaque was put on the Statue of Liberty at almost the same time as the first public charge law was passed. Very interesting timing. Although you mentioned the American Dream is built on this idea that this is a place where you can come and build a life. It's part of it. Oh, only a part of it.

I didn't know that. So he just literally rewrote the Statue of Liberty. As long as you're not gonna be a public charge, you know, costing us money. So all of you suffering from the potato famine, go back to Ireland where you belong, okay? Go to your asshole country where there's a famine. Here, we don't want the government taking care of anybody. So no poor people, only rich people from now on. No more Irish, no more Italians, right?

Cuccinelli. Oh, right, you're Italian. and your ancestors, very likely, would have been kicked out under your rule. Do they really come over wealthy? Are they one of the lords or barons of the old empires in Italy? Probably not, probably your parents were poor, right? And well, maybe we should think about deporting you and your entire family. We'll have to say, hey, you know what?

Let's get into the family history of everybody. Because apparently if you're not rich enough, this country doesn't want you, according to the Trump slash Cuccinelli rule. In fact, you know, the last half hour of the Young Turks is just for members, and members make this show happen. And so in that, we're gonna bring on Steve-O, he's one of our hosts here, one of our employees here, and his family's Korean, when they came over, they were dirt poor, and yes, they had taken some government assistance while they were on a green card.

And the Trump-Cuchinelli law, they would have been banned from ever being citizens. You wanna see somebody rage? Watch today's last half of the young thugs in order to do that, t-y-t.com slash join. Members get an extra half an hour. Now, back to Couchinelli. Look, this guy's deplorable through and through. If you don't remember his history, when he was in Virginia, his main law that he tried to pass unsuccessfully, but that he was known for was to outlaw oral sex.

No, surely just, you know, in a group that he doesn't like, right? overall for everybody. Everybody. It didn't matter whether you're gay or straight, sodomy of all forms, including oral sex. He was trying to make it illegal in the state of Virginia. So if you had sex in that way, which I imagine is an enormous percentage of Virginia, given that it is theoretically for lovers. 7% and 9%.

Okay. He would have arrested almost the entire state because he's a religious fundamentalist nut job. And now- And it sent them to jail for one to five years. Could you imagine, Your Honor, it's true, I received oral sex, guilty, go away for four years. So insanity, insanity. The only person who other than him who was excited about that law was DJ Khalid was going to move there, but it didn't end up happening. Well, you know, back then there weren't insults.

Now that there's insults, they might be excited by it. Oh, then no one else gets to have it do. Okay, so this is the kind of low life that Trump finds and fills his government with. And now, but the whole point, and one of the reasons, I love to bring up that law because it's so insane. But the second reason is he did it because, hey, I'm really religious, and I'm going to impose my religion on you. Well, I'm atheist, I can get old or any kind of sex I like. No, no, no, no, no, you got to listen to my religion. Why? Because we live in a free country?

Okay, but now, Mr. Religious, all of a sudden, Jesus said if you're rich, you have better chance of passing through a camel passing through the eye of a needle than a rich man yet. into heaven, Jesus was literally against the rich. Now Couchinelli's like, if you're not rich, you're not getting into America, okay? It's the reverse of the Jesus rule, reverse, and he's like, well look, Jesus loved the rich, and he only wanted the rich to come into the sacred land, okay? You don't believe in Christianity or religion at all. All you believe in is hate and supporting the rich donors that gave you the goddamn money in the first place.

I think they think that the miracles that Jesus performed were like going up to a person with 20-20 vision and minorly increasing their acuity. Like that's not what he did. No. He's helping out the least among us, literally going to the prostitutes, the lepers, and all of that. That's who he was a fan of. No, no, no, you don't remember the parable where he goes and makes a millionaire, a billionaire? Mm-hmm.

That's their insane view of Jesus Christ. Read the Bible. Read the Bible. And really, I know you want to talk more about the Bible and that's totally fine, but I want to talk a little bit about pop culture because I sort of alluded to this, I joked about it, the intro where whenever in like usually sci-fi, whenever they want to really shock your consciousness, they take an iconic symbol of America and they pervert it in a little way.

In the Handmaid's Tale, they take the Washington Monument, they turn into a cross. In the planet of the apes, they put an ape on the Lincoln Memorial. And here he's taking the perhaps the most iconic poem that serves a function in American politics in society and turning it as some sort of like attack against people who can't stand on their own two feet, like people who need a little bit of assistance. That is that level, it's like it's dystopic the way that he's approaching U.S. government. And he's in charge of it, this isn't a pundit, this isn't a candidate, this is the guy in charge of that process.

And it's also Orwellian. So I'm gonna end on the actual poem. because they've turned it on its head about, hey, don't, but we don't want any of your bums, right? So the actual poem is, give me your tired, your poor, give me your tired, you're poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these the homeless tempest tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door. That's America, that's America, not Cucinelli's version, where it's a religious theocracy

only for the rich. That's gross, and that is un-American, and that's exactly what Cuccellany and Trump are. Yeah. Okay, let's go to Bernie. Let's turn to a slightly more positive politician. The media coverage of Bernie Sanders candidacy seems very reminiscent of the 2016 media coverage of his candidacy, and it's finally gotten to Bernie, and he's responding to the way he's covered, and also the general lack of coverage that he's experienced so far.

Here he is talking about one particular outlet. Anybody here know how much Amazon paid in taxes last year? I talk about that all of the time, and then I wonder why the Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos, who owns Amazon, doesn't write particularly good articles about you. I don't know why. So he was immediately attacked by the Washington Post. What a twist. I didn't see that coming.

They're biased, though. We attacked him. So they had a headline, Sanders accuses the post of biased coverage due to his criticism of Amazon cites no evidence, and then like two lines then they say you cite no evidence. So Martin Barron, Washington Post executive editor said, Senator Sanders is a member of a large club of politicians of every ideology who complain about their coverage. Contrary to the conspiracy theory the senator seems to favor, Jeff Bezos allows our newsroom to operate with full independence as our report.

orders and editors can attest. Okay. So as one example of what he's talking about, and this is not just the Washington Post, but it's a lot of mainstream coverage. Someone put together a list of all of the polls recently and how Bernie didn't it. And they showed how many media stories were written about each one. And as he did worse in the polls, the number shot up. So if he did pretty well, one or two or even zero stories were written about it.

There was one where he did really badly, 47 different articles were written about it. Let me give you specifics on that exact one. It was a Quinnipak University poll. And there, Biden was beating Sanders 32 to 14. That's a big range, obviously a big difference. Biden significantly leading in that one poll, 47 stories written about it. Okay, look, look, let's be fair. There was a democracy core poll right around the same time, these polls fluctuate.

That one was way closer, 31 to 22. In fact, that has Biden dropping Sanders gaining. He did really well in the debate last time around. And in fact, the polls indicate that he rose on, when you go to a real clear politics average, the average of all the polls, he rose by two points. So Sanders clearly rising after the debates, that's a fact, right? And so Democracy Corps is more close to the average of the polls where he's closing in on Biden, 31 to 22.

So how many people wrote about that? Was it 45? Was it less than the 47? Like 30, high 30s? Maybe 49, maybe more people wrote about it. You know how many people wrote about that? Two. Two articles about that poll, 47 articles about the poll where he's not doing well.

And they claim that they're like, what bias? No, we criticize all the politicians. Now, really, if you're a mainstream media reporter, editor, publisher, it doesn't matter. And you can't see that the coverage against Bernie Sanders is more negative. Well, it's like asking a fish, how's the water? And he says, what water? How's your bias? What bias?

How can you not see that? How could you not see that? It actually proves your bias. Here, I'll give you another data point. Look, I love Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. I think they're both wonderful progressives. Anybody who watches, T.Y.T, knows that I think that, right? And knows that that is 100% the case.

Yet, I could objectively say that they have received different coverage. In the beginning, Elizabeth Warren was criticized over the nonsense racist attacks against her by Trump. Pocahontas, etc. But since then, her coverage has been good to arguably great, which I'm thrilled about. I'm thrilled about it. So you don't see me coming out here and going, I like Warren, but damn it, they're being unfair to her. No, because they're not being unfair. Thank God for the first time in my lifetime they're treating a progressive fairly. I think that if Bernie Sanders was in the race, that might be a different dynamic. But that's the case. But I can see that clearly and objectively, even though I support her.

On the other hand, almost every article, almost everyone about Bernie Sanders is negative. Once every once in a blue moon, like literally once every three months there'll be a positive article. And we'll come on here, be like, oh my God, somebody wrote a positive article about Bernie Sanders. That's unbelievable. Yeah. Like breaking all records. And Barron, who's, look, otherwise a good editor and Washington Post does some good journalism. They do.

But on the other hand, they also have one attack after another, certainly all of their editorial section, right? From the Never Trumpers to the conservative Democrats, to the establishment Democrats, to the right wing, to the Trump people, they all are unified only around one thing, how much they despise Bernie Sanders. If as an editor you can't see that, you're so, your bias is deeper than any other bias that I've ever seen. So it's about damn time Bernie fought back.

I love that he's fighting back. Yeah, and we're gonna play, he responded to the criticism of his criticism. Really fast I want to mention, though, the difficulty is when you say like the media is biased, it's very easy for members of the media to be like, well, I'm not biased, maybe other people are, I'm not. Even Washington Post, that's a lot of different people, they would rebut the charge. But we know even at the individual level, how difficult it is for these people who are, you know, fine, professional at their job for the most part to see their bias.

And I think you interacted with him today, actually. Nate Silver was tweeting a ton about Bernie. He really does not think that he's biased against Bernie Sanders, even though it drips from every one of his tweets. And you like Nate Silver? I generally do. Nick Silver likes numbers and nobody else does anymore, so I kind of like that. Aside from the fact that I can see that he's clearly biased against Bernie Sanders.

I generally am a fan of him. I like his website. I follow their live coverage from time to time. No, but the irony was built into the tweets that Nate did today about that. He's like, oh, he thinks that the media is biased against him. Eye roll. Ridiculous. Bernie Sanders sucks.

You see how we're not biased against them? Nate, look at your tweets. I'm paraphrasing, obviously. He didn't say the sucks part, but he did do the weird eye roll thing. Yeah, he did the eye roll. But no, but the second tweet was full-blown criticism of Bernie Sanders while saying, I can't believe he thinks we're biased. Yeah.

How do you not see it? You just wrote it if I look, I don't like Joe Biden as our nominee. It's not about, it's not personal as a person. He's probably a decent guy, but I call him status quo Joe. But unlike the establishment media, I don't go around pretending to be neutral. I call him status quo Joe because I don't think he's the right candidate and I'm a progressive. Whereas they go, oh no, no, no, I'm neutral. My opinion is the correct opinion, hence it is objective.

And if you disagree with me, then you're biased, but I by definition. I'm not biased because I think the establishment is awesome and I write positively about almost every establishment candidate and I despise Bernie Sanders and I spit on them three times a day, but you're the one who's biased. What? So look, finally, even that same Washington Post article, look at the framing. At the end, they compared him to Trump. Yeah.

Yeah, I wonder, right? And by the way, look knuckleheads, these guys, these media reporters and publishers and stuff, and there's a lot of good guys there and they do a lot of good jobs. journalism, but when it comes to politics, they just literally cannot see how the bias they are. That cloud is so thick, that group think is so, so thick in front of them. But guys, if you do this without the context, and it's not like we don't see when you say, hey, Joe Biden made a gaff, and they're like, oh, but I guess you ignore that? No, we don't ignore that.

We see it. Like, stop patronizing us when in reality you're the biased ones and can't see straight. Oh, did you know we also once criticized Gillibrand? Yes, of course we know that. But we're asking you to look at the full context. But then you'll also write positive things about Joe Biden. You will also claim without any evidence that Joe Biden is more electable. Why?

Well, he appeals to the same people as Trump. But Trump's polling in the 30s, right? So that doesn't make any sense. But you'll say it as a matter of fact, as a matter of course, without disclosing your bias. And then finally, in that headline, they say, Sanders says this, citing no evidence. Wait, wait a minute. First of all, there was two different events.

There was the call that John was referring to led by his campaign where they cited evidence, including the polling, how much coverage received, et cetera. So you can't say they didn't cite any evidence in the call. So I guess you've selectively chosen to ignore where they made their major point and take that 15 second clip out of Bernie Sanders talking about the Washington Post. But you know that's in the middle of a speech, and if you ask them for evidence, they can give you reams of evidence, the famous 16 headlines in 24 hours that the Washington Post did in 2016. And I covered it when Bernie made his announcement this time around. Four articles about Bernie Sanders in the Washington Post, all four deeply negative.

Some of them were editorials, some of them were articles, but I read you the exact verbiage, and it was scathing. So to say in the title cites no evidence, as if there is no evidence, and that he's a loony tune that's just making stuff up like Trump, and then saying, see, I'm not biased against him, is preposterous. Well, two can play that game, because the title of this video is going to be, Amazon says he cites no evidence, but cites no evidence. Aha. And guys, we're not like the right wing.

We know that Bezos owns Washington Post, not Amazon, and it doesn't have to be that Bezos comes into your newsroom and goes, okay, hey, John, you're going to write this, and Sally, you're writing this. And remember, protect libertarians, and we want to pay no taxes. But in the choices that you make, and the people that you hire, who gets to select the people writing the articles, who gets to select the editors, who gets to select the op-ed writers, on and on and on. And you think that doesn't filter down? And then they mentioned, And, oh, Bernie's being conspiratorial. And then sometimes I'll say, could it make a difference that your multi-billion dollar organizations,

now, Washington Post, to be fair, is not worth that much. But overall, most of the media organizations are worth a tremendous amount of money and mostly owned by corporations. Now, in this case, Bezos owns it personally. But I say, well, their profit motive in terms of the advertisers, drug companies, oil companies, et cetera, defense contractors that advertise on cable news and the other media outlets. That could influence you. And then reporters will turn around and go, that sounds conspiratorial, like corporations

want to make money. Really, do you hear yourself? Do you hear yourself? Yes, multi-billion dollar corporations want to make money. And yes, their advertising might affect them. And maybe, just maybe, you should keep that in mind while writing headlines and picking editors so that you're more careful, not less careful. Yeah, great.

All right. Ah, we got to go. But there's so much more show, okay? When we come back, Julian Castro takes a shot of Donald Trump on Fox. I love it. And evangelical voters, have they tired of Donald Trump or are they still completely on his side? You're going to be fascinated by that story. We'll be right back.

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