The Young Turks - Wolf-PAC Meeting Gets Surprise Visitor And Trump’s New Plot To End Humanity

Episode Date: December 5, 2018

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You're listening to the Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. All right, welcome to the Young Turks, Jake, Eugger, John. Ida roll it with you guys. We've got a thousand things to do today. But I'm going to do a correction first, and then we got white nationalists.

We got Donald Trump making an ass out of himself as usual. We got a lot of papers, we got good news, we got everything, okay? Whoa, that's fun. I didn't even see this until just now. Okay. And wait until you get a load of the network after this show ends. Okay, what do I mean by that? On Rebel headquarters tonight, two fun sets of guests.

First guest is going to be trying to convince me to become vegan. That'll be fun, okay? Who's the guest? Uh, in animal rights, activists, and author. Okay, but the second set of guess are the leaders of the Justice Democrats. Oh, so they will unveil some of their new plans for the next two years on Rebel Edwards, right here on T.I.T.com slash live, okay? And then, uh, for our members, they will then stick around for the post game and tell us how they found Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the first place. Damn.

That's a super interesting story. Some of you might have read it in one publication, but I think most of the folks don't know that story, and it's a really, really interesting one. So that's for our members, t-y-t.com slash join to become a member, or while Anna is out, there's a good opportunity for me to catch up. t-y-t.com slash jank is a great way to sign up and become a member. By the way, we are also doing free trials this week. So, probably the easiest way.

Let's keep it real. You're going to get a week free to try it out if you go to tuit.com slash holiday. Okay. So a week free trials, t.wit.com slash holiday to make that happen. I don't know how long that's going to last, presumably through the holidays, but I don't know. Okay, you never know. Two years, actually. Yeah, you never know.

Okay, so check that out. It's a good opportunity to do that. Okay, so here's the exciting news. I just realized, meet the press has been sold. What? Is this going on? Oh, there is. A whisper of a firework.

Okay. T.y.com slash Amplify. We're getting it to John Iderola lookalikes all over the media. Oh, I knew you were going to say that. J.R. is a horrid, man. Yeah, I don't even believe it. I don't even think it's true at all. But I know that it bothers you, so I enjoy that part.

So, meet the press now getting TYT membership, not just Chuck Todd, but the staff as well through TYT.com slash Amplify. The Intercept also getting TYT membership. And so look, we try super hard to get it to these folks after you guys buy it for them. But with the Intercept, we will have great luck. I know a few people who might be members already, actually. Yeah, and so we will definitely get it to them. So Glenn Greenwald, Jeremy Schaill, Ryan Grimm, et cetera, Lee Fong, Zedgelani, some of the, I would argue I just named five out of the top 10 or 20 writers in the country.

They're all at The Intercept. And so t.t.com slash Amplify. Thank you for making that happen. Oh, let me give credit to the folks who did it. Meg Hopley is the one who bought the meat the press package. So Meg, you're the best of the best. Really appreciate it. You can use it.

Yes. Thank you, Meg. And I will find out who bought The Intercept and share that with you in the next break. Okay, a couple of a correction and then a fun story. I have a quick correction for you guys. Yesterday when we're covering the Neil deGrasse Tyson story, yeah, I was a bit moved by that story. And it was the last story that we did on the show, so John did not get a chance to correct me

as we ran out of time. I mentioned Pathios being a faith and spirituality blog and assume that they might not agree with Neil deGrasse Tyson in the story that they covered about the three women who have made accusations against them. That was an incorrect assumption on my part. First of all, Pathios covers a variety of different beliefs, including no belief, and atheists, et cetera. And in fact, the writer of that piece, David G.

McAfee, is a journalist and author of No Sacred Cows, Investigating Myths, Cults, and the supernatural. He is, to the best of my understanding, not a religious person. He writes about science, skepticism, and faith, and his blog is No Sacred Cows, that's also on the Pathios Network. Now, now, the comments on the actual story, both, you know, the women's allegations and Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Stan, there are no factual errors there. and we did report what David McAfee wrote.

It was when we moved on to the part about analysis such as it was in that particular case where I made the mistaken assumption about Pathios and the writer, which I clearly should not have done. So my apologies on that, and I wanted to make sure that we corrected it at the top of the show today, okay? And I'll let him know on Twitter that we corrected it because I forgot to let him know. Okay, so now let's go to a quick question. fun story.

So guys at Wolfpack sent me a picture about a year ago from West Virginia. Richard Saffel is our leader there. He's literally noted as Wolfpack Saffel. That's how often he goes to the state legislature and he's awesome. So he took this picture of a solid get-together that they had had in West Virginia. Let's take a look at it right here. And that's his big face right in the front. I recognize someone.

Wait a minute. appears to be someone in that picture that you might recognize. Sure, Sapple's also famous, but the guy in the right hand side is a one senator, Richard Ojeda. Remember, he's a state senator in West Virginia. Now, he was, you know, had come to the meeting. This was when he was running for Congress, but a state senator, Wolfpack's having a meeting, and here come Ojeda.

Now, I talked to Richard Rojetta about a year after that picture. And I said, you know, this was off the air. And I said, you know, tell me about the different things you want to do about money in politics. On the air, he told me he wants to put body cams on lobbyists, which is super fun. Then he announced for president after his race for Congress and said that he would cap all income for people who work in Congress at $250,000 after they retire. And they'd have to give up everything but a million dollars. Heads exploded.

Now, the thing is, they think he's not going to win, so they're not taking it, making a big deal out of it. But if he does win, he'd be the most dangerous man in Washington. They'd be like, no, how could we only make quarter of a million dollars? But when I talked to him off there, he said, well, look, I supported this group called Wolfpack. I was like, Richard, do you know who started Wolfpack? And he's like, no. I'm like, I started a Wolfpack. He's like, well, I don't think I can say it on there.

He's like, really? He held you up against the wall and said, do you lie to me? Because I'll knuckle up. That's funny. No, but what I love about that story is that he didn't have to go to a wolf pack gathering of activists to get money out of politics in the middle of West Virginia. And sometimes state legislators do. We had a state legislator from New Hampshire join our volunteer call the other day, just

randomly. Like, hey, who are you? I'm a state representative. Oh, cool. Okay. So, but it doesn't happen that often. And OJETA at the time doesn't know he's going to run for president, doesn't know, like, you know, he's not doing it for politics, he showed up because he wanted to get money

out of politics. Yeah. And he's like, if you guys are trying to get money out of politics, deal me in, right? So great credit to OJETA on that one. And if you want to do like OJetta and join Wolf-Pack, Wolf-Pack.com slash join. that happen, you might run into Ojetto one day, or he might run into you. Damn. You know, when I asked him about money in politics, you know what he said?

I can't accept that. I almost had the sound board ready, but I didn't. I can't accept that. And when I asked, how do you feel about people taking money like Caramiller? How dare she? By the way, if we combine two of the things you talked about, so you're going to have the heads of the Justice Democrats here, and you're talking about, you know, meeting up with Richard Ojeda at one of those meetings.

You go to one of those meetings in your own area. You might not meet Richard O'Jetta, but you might meet one of the people that's going to be running as a Justice Democrat and become a congressman next time around. Those are exactly the sorts of people that will be running again. That's right. That's right. Wait till you get a load of our plans for the next year. I'm not saying anything.

I'm just saying. One last one. Hey, Senator Ojeda, should lobbyists come by your doorstep? They need not darken my doorstep. Stick around with the young Turks and Wolfpack and Just Democrats. You never know who you run into. Hey, that's John's absolutely right. If you'd come to a Just Democrat get together in New York, you might run into one Alexandria

Accio Cortez before her election. And so come along, come along, we're going to go fix the country, so join up for a little bit of change or maybe just a lot of change. Okay. TikTok, TikTok. That's right. Not really. It makes it up things.

Okay. Okay. Why don't we talk about some news? Yeah, let's do it. Yesterday the true political leaders in this country, Bernie Sanders and others, including Alexandria Ocas de Cortez, had a climate change town hall in D.C. and talked about the severity of the threat that we're facing and what we need to do to meet it. And that same night, Donald Trump and his administration decided to move in exactly the opposite

direction. This is economic advisor Larry Kudlow announcing that they would be cutting, they plan to, all subsidies for electric vehicles and renewable sources of energy. That same night that there's this enthusiastic coming together of climate activists and all that, they're looking to cut those subsidies. Larry Kudlow specifically said, as a matter of our policy, we want to end all of those subsidies and by the way other subsidies that were imposed during the Obama administration we are ending whether it's for renewables and so forth as a matter

of our policy what that's a duplicate there now bear in mind we could have known that this was going to come since Donald Trump tweeted just a few days ago this very disappointed with General Motors and their CEO Meribara for closing plants in Ohio Michigan and Maryland nothing being closed in Mexico and China the US saved General Motors and this is the thanks we get we're now looking at cutting all GM subsidies, including for electric cars, and then he goes on. So once again, I know that we like to write off Donald Trump's Twitter, but sometimes he tweets something crazy, and then that becomes the crazy official policy of our government.

So I don't know if Larry Cudlow agrees with this policy for the same reason that Donald Trump does. I don't know if it's purely about they're mad at GM, so they decide that they're going to hurt American car manufacturers. But cutting those subsidies is significant. It means that fewer people will buy those cars. Those cars won't sell as well. Companies will invest less money in research and development to produce more efficient cars,

building on the technology over time, and we will be less well prepared to deal with at least that component of the emissions that are contributing to climate change in this country. But very casual change for them. Yeah, so a couple of things about this. Number one, interestingly enough, they have decided not to end the subsidy. on oil or natural gas or coal. So the fossil fuel subsidies will continue. And there are literally so many fossil fuel subsidies that even experts have a hard time tracking

all of them. And so the range of how much subsidies the fossil fuel companies get range from $4 billion a year to $24 billion a year. So the most reliable number, to the best of my knowledge, was $14 billion. But I'd take all incoming facts on that issue. But it is an enormous amount of subsidies for an industry that does not need it at all. They've had subsidies for over 100 years. Subsidies are supposed to be for a young industry to make sure they can get up off their feet.

Do we think oil's gotten up off its feet, you know, has it stabilized yet? And so, and of course, that's just corruption. They're the most profitable companies in the world. They're literally the companies that need subsidies the least on the entire planet, little on the fact that they're destroying the planet. Even if they didn't have terrible consequences and harm that they were causing, they still wouldn't need the subsidies. It would still be a crime to take our money as taxpayers to take money to you give in taxes

and they give it to Exxon Mobil. But they're not ending those. They're ending it for renewable energies that actually create jobs, save the planet, and actually those are companies that do need it because it is a nascent industry. And the subsidies that they gave earlier led to a lot of those companies stabilizing, getting their feet under them, and now competing with fossil fuel. So fossil fuel sends in their lobbyists using this GM thing probably as an excuse to go and destroy renewable energy.

That is called crony capitalism. It is the definition of it, it is not the free market, and so understand what Donald Trump is doing. As usual, he's messing around with the free market if he actually cared about it and he wanted to be principled. I don't agree with ending the renewable energy subsidies, but at a bare minimum, you all have to agree even if you're conservative, maybe particularly if you're conservative, that he should have ended all the subsidies including for oil, gas, and coal, but he didn't.

Look, this is I guess number, what is this, the 70th story like this that we've done in the past two years where when you put climate deniers and people who despise the environment and love oil and coal, when you put them in office, this is what you get. And so every week or so, every two weeks at max, we have a story like this where we are screwed over when it comes to our environment and our climate that we don't have time to be screwing around. We don't have a bunch of years that we can just afford for them to be driving us off a cliff as fast as they possibly can. But this is what we get. We get this, we get getting rid of Obama-era CAF standards, we get the destruction of the methane regulations, new oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, more oil drilling offshore. I mean, I could honestly go on for this entire hour, and we actually did a couple of videos

where it was just a listing of the many regulation changes that benefit coal and oil and natural gas and fracking and harm our ability to deal with the threat of climate change. But this is what we get. And there are some, there are other proposals, I'm not going to go through them. It's just, it's distressing to see in a 24 hour period we have people who are serious, whether they're activists or politicians, and we saw both in DC at Bernie Sanders climate meeting, who take this threat seriously, who want to institute something like a Green New Deal, who want to deal with climate change while generating millions of jobs and renewed economic

activity and all of that. And then to know that best case scenario, we get to wait about two years. Unless we are more successful than we could possibly imagine in convincing the Republicans to go over to our side, we still have to wait a couple of years because of this ridiculous, unnecessary suicidal detour we've taken as a country. All right, last couple of things. One, it might be a lot of hoving and puffing as usual with Donald Trump. He cannot by himself do this regulation according to experts.

Now, how many times has he broken the law, so I don't know that he cares about that. But the Democrats are coming to the House and they will not allow this to go forward. Because it's a component of the tax law, that is the idea. That's right. But we'll see. By the way, we say the Democrats will not allow this, but they are Democrats. Yeah, I find it to be unlikely. I find it more likely that he would just do an executive order and say, I don't care what

you say, I'm going to do it. Yeah, and I don't care what the law is, et cetera, and which he's done on many occasions. But now I'm going to give him a tiny bit of ironic credit. The idea that corporations are people and patriotic and we should just beseech them is preposterous, I've said it thousands of times. So here, Trump is not beseeching them, he's trying to punish them. Now you can't punish one particular company, you can't single it out, and they realize that. And Larry Cudlow, his chief economic advisor, seems frustrated by that piece of, you know, law

again. So you can't do that, but he is trying to put consequences on companies for, you know, back on jobs and leaving the country, okay, but can you please do it in a smart way and a non-corrupt way, right? So there's a thousand different ways that you could have gone after GM and other companies that are doing this, but why did you choose to just kill the renewable energy part and target their electric vehicles in specific? It seems like, no, that's the corruption part.

The oil companies ask you to do that. And then you use the GM closing down their plants as an excuse to do the bidding of the people who gave you campaign donations. Yeah. So it's like a kernel of like, hey, if you're gonna be a tough guy, I'm actually gonna back you up on that. I know not a lot of other progressives believe in that kind of stuff, but I do. You know, I'd push them around, that'll be fun.

Can you imagine from a progressive perspective? That would be amazing, right? But at the end of the day, Donald Trump always comes to the same conclusions, in competence and corruption. Yeah. And he did it again. Yeah. And you also have to bear in mind that we might not have had some of this closing down

of these plants if he hadn't put in the tariffs that have cost them something like a billion dollars on steel and aluminum and supported a tax bill that incentivized corporations sending jobs overseas. So if you're going to do both of those things and then act, you know, shocked and chagrined when some of these plants closed down, that's a little bit disingenuous. Totally agreed. John Iderolo is correct. 2.it.com slash John.

Look at that rare- It's got a break fast. Rare magnanimous act by me to join up. Okay. He might just catch me. Doubt it. I doubt it too. Anyway, all right, guys. Apparently we have to take a break.

When we come back, Donald Trump makes up a whole other thing. But this one has a really important twist because today the market crashed a little bit because of it. And I think the epiphany that the market had is really, really important. So let's talk about that when we come back. All right, back on the Young Turks. Normally we go to members' comments first, but I'm going to go to Twitter first in this case. Ecclectic mistralania says, kudos to jank on the correction about Pathios.

Everyone gets something wrong sometimes, and it's great that you guys let off with it instead of burying it somewhere like they do in the newspaper and online articles. That's another reason I trust TYT. Thank you, brother. We appreciate it. And importantly, I don't think that it would have necessarily. change much of any of your analysis. Yeah.

I mean, it's important to correct it. Yes. But it didn't change what you thought about the fundamental story. Right. And that's why we're going to keep that video up. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-The Republic or UNFTR. As a Young Turks fan, you already know that the government, the media, and corporations are constantly peddling lies that serve the interests of the rich and powerful. But now there's a podcast dedicated to unraveling those lies, debunking those lies, debunking

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And Amaria writes in, if Janko's vegan, I'll up my subscription to an activist level, and I'll use his name on the campaign. Yeah. All right, I hear you. Really important to note, climate change, industrial agriculture, I mean these are things that we have to start talking about. In fact, we are going to talk about it on a rebel headquarters and Mark Thompson is not part of the host thing, but you know who else? There is one other vegan in the staff that is actually part of the host competition for signing

up more members. Mariguana. Mariguana. You turned your back on that iguana. It'll take a bite out of you. No, I believe it is actually vegan. Oh, maybe. So, t.com slash mariguana, good luck spelling it.

Okay, but a lot of you have, because he's like in six places or something. That's amazing. Okay, so Mermaidum writes in along the lines that you're talking about, John, and from the member section this time. So put pressure on them to stop subsidies to animal agriculture via the farm bill. Dairy and meat production are not. profitable and we bail them out every year. The whole industry is a huge contributor to climate change and making people pay the real price would change habits and put a huge dent in our impact on climate change.

Well, that's a terrific point. It's a big portion. So I am an omnivore, so I would wind up paying more. Well, that's called Sad Day for me. And if I don't like it, I could stop eating meat and drinking milk. Okay. Well, interestingly, on this, to some extent that sort of subsidy system is going to be kind of already in there. Apparently, on average, vegetarians spend about $750 less on food

each year. And long term, in terms of medical bills, they probably save quite a bit of money there as well. The vegans are carrying us. They're doing pretty well, yeah. Yeah, the vegetarians are carrying the rest of us. Anyway, so, and by the way, I, the hilarious thing is I actually believe in the free market, but we don't have the free market. It's so corrupted by all the money in politics. And so I actually think that, hence, it's a long way of agreeing with the commenter that, yeah, of course we should pay the real price of milk and eggs and steak. It's preposterous to subsidize them. Why are you guys subsidizing my fat ass? That makes no sense at all, right? So those are the choices I'm making anyway. Well, technically, chicken is a newer industry

than oil, so we do have to keep subsidizing that. I'm pretty sure the chicken industry is Pretty ancient. Okay, anyway, I just need you guys panic about one last thing, which is ShopTYT. This is the last day that you can guarantee delivery by December 25th. So go to shopty.com to get that delivery. Nice. And so go for it. Make sure that you get your shopping in now.

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Yes. And also, it was launched while you were gone. If people participate in the Amplify program and give at least three memberships, $150 level, the t-shirt that they ended up choosing is an amazing design. Oh, I don't even know which one they chose. Oh, and it's just available if you do Amplify. How good is that? Oh, I love that.

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one of those. Okay. Well, then you're gonna have to do the Amplify program. Isn't it? Okay? We'll have to see how that works out. All right, excellent. Thank you guys.

Thank you for designing it too. And Jen, let's get the name of the person who designed that one. I want to give that person credit to too. All right, what's next, Jen? Trade time. Trump ended his time at the G20 summit by announcing what appeared to be an absolutely massive concession by China on their trade with the United States. He tweeted, China has agreed to reduce and remove tariffs on cars coming into China from

China from the US, currently the tariff is 40%. So they're gonna reduce and remove the tariffs. I would argue that those are mutually exclusive. Like you're either reducing or you're removing them and it seems pretty significant, which it is, but look, it's obviously one of those. I mean, he just met with the leadership of China. He must know what he's talking about. It started to seem a little bit dicey later on that same day.

Yahoo reported it's unclear whether China would reduce its car tariffs immediately or as a result of a broader deal. In a briefing in Beijing a few hours after the tweet, China's foreign ministry spokesman declined to comment on any car tariff changes. So they were being very close-lipped about it in comparison to Donald Trump, who instantly posted on Twitter and Snapchat and Insta about it. But he also gave more information since then about the future of trade between the U.S. and China, saying on seeing whether or not a real deal with China is actually possible, if it is, we will get it done. China is supposed to start by. buying agricultural product and more immediately.

President Xi and I want this deal to happen and it probably will. But if not, remember, I am a tariff man. When people or countries come in to raid the great wealth of our nation, I want them to pay for the privilege of doing so. It will always be the best way to max out our economic power. We are right now taking in billions in tariffs, make America rich again. And he just didn't have enough room for the estimation point. So yes, if they're gonna, he's a tariff man, capitalize.

Just like Scott Furry was yesterday. This is an amazing guy. So, look, big progress apparently with China. We've been worried about that trade war. It's serious, hurting a number of our different industries. Partially might have hurt GM, caused some of those factory closures. First of all, I do want to give him credit for citing that a great song by Elton John. Tariffman.

Okay, so he loves nicknames. I thought you couldn't get any goofier than George W. Bush on nicknames. he named things folks such names as tall guy I'm not kidding okay budget man

that sounds like a Bush one okay and no no yeah stretch was one of his favorites if you weren't tall guy you were stretch yeah okay it's more clever I guess and of course my favorite he

gave the nickname Pooty Poot to Vladimir Poot It's unbelievable, I guess. How do you give him a cutie name? Anyway, why don't you just call him cutie putti? Oh, no. Okay, even Trump didn't do that. But Trump has found a way to out dumb George W. Bush.

And he's like, okay, so he called Kim Jong-un Rocket, man, I get it. Call yourself Tariff, man. Like, is that, that's worse than when Costanza tried to name himself T-bone. Oh, poor T-bone. I think he ended on cocoa, actually. Yeah, you can't do that. There is a problem with Tariff Man. As someone pointed out on Twitter, the kryptonite to Tariff Man is market forces, which he doesn't

seem to understand. And he also doesn't understand a fundamental thing that we have been talking about literally since the debates, when he started talking about these tariffs. If he puts up tariffs against their goods, it's not China that pays us that money. It's our, we pay that money. We pay higher prices for those goods. Now yes, long term, you could say it's trying to change the calculus and maybe that'll cause them to lower the tariffs on the other side, blah, blah, blah.

But in the short term, tariff man is robbing you for all the steel and aluminum and all of that, the products that are made from these raw materials, the soybeans, everything. Tariff man also took a lot of your jobs away because since the companies are paying higher tariffs, they decided, I don't want to produce it here anymore. I'm gonna go to other countries where I don't have to pay those tariffs. So that's part of the reason GM left and the 15,000 jobs went along with it. So tariff man's a bit of an anti-hero. He's, I guess he's a villain, right?

Because he takes away your jobs, charges you more, screws up the economy, which leads me to explaining what actually is going on. John's kidding around about how he solved it and stuff, right? So on Monday, he basically puts out the congratulatory tweet, we're done with this, and I've got, and China is going to roll back the tariffs, and the market goes up. And it was like, yes, finally, oh, thank God, right? And because the companies are thinking, okay, then I don't have to pay as much of a tariff, I'm going to make more money, and I'm going to sell more products because they're

not going to be as expensive. It's a double win, right? So for the companies. And so then today, they went and asked the Japanese, I'm sorry, the Chinese, and the Chinese are like, uh, not so much, right? And they're like, what? But he said it in a tweet, we're like, and then I could just see like both the guys, the reporters and the guys in the market going, oh, what have we done?

It was a Trump tweet, why did we listen to it? And then CNBC calls J.P. Morgan and J.P. Morgan's like, no, none of this is true, okay? You want some of the J.P. Morgan quotes? So J.P. Morgan is telling investors that Trump's declaration this week that China will immediately drop all tariffs on American cars. It's no basis in reality. Let's just pause there.

No basis in reality. JP Morgan is not a bunch of good guys. They're a bunch of greedy bankers, right? And they were looking forward to the tariffs being lifted and everything was going to be great. And then they're like, no basis in reality. Yeah, no, that needs to stick. It needs to be Trump 2020.

No basis in reality. So let's talk about what they told the investors. They sent a note saying that investors should have valid reason for caution when it comes to investing on the hopes that Trump is on the verge of a major breakthrough with China. They said it doesn't seem like anything was actually agreed to at the dinner, and the White House officials are contorting themselves into pretzels to reconcile Trump's tweets, which seem, if not completely fabricated, then grossly exaggerated with reality.

So CNBC broke this story. I'm not a huge fan of their anchors. They tend to be very right wing. But they give credit where credit is do it. So I went to see NBC this morning to check it out. And it felt like the whole website was like, it was before the market's open. And it felt like a huge, whoa, okay, here comes the crash, dot, dot, done. And so we did have a crash today.

It's not, I don't want to mislead you, it's not like a recession-style crash, not a 2008 crash. But all the gains from yesterday gone and then some. So we got hit pretty hard, over 500 points. So, but I think the most interesting part and relevant part here is not that Trump lied in a tweet, he does that almost on a daily basis, that he made up policy of both the United States and China, he does that on a daily basis, and it's not that the markets dip. They've continued to dip for quite some time now, and Trump's getting frustrated by it. He can't figure out why.

Note to tariff, man, look in the mirror, okay, that's why. Anyway, but the most relevant part of this entire story is the markets are no joke. They got to get it right. There's lots of money on the line. And today was basically the markets realizing in mass, oh, no, this guy doesn't tell the truth. What were we thinking? And they did. They largely had not realized what a gigantic liar Donald Trump is.

So, for the markets, again, in mass to really go, don't, right, why did we ever believe him? And so I'm not saying that the crash was like a macro look at Donald Trump, and now that we realize he's been lying all along, we're going to downgrade everything. No, but it was in specific to this. And of course, there's other market forces as well, but it seemed pretty clear that it went up yesterday because of the tariff comments and went down even more so today because they realized that none of it was true. But I think that it could have going forward long-term consequences as the markets finally wake

up to who Donald Trump is. That's a deeply unstable, unreliable leader, which is not good for the markets. Agreed. Do you want to take the second break or do you want to move on to the next story? You know what, let's take a quick break. The Epstein story is gigantic. So, and, you know, JR, at least in my experience, I'm sure he's not the first one to recognize it ever in history, but about a decade ago pointed out in the middle of a story, hey, Chang, did you realize that all that the Republicans do is projection, that whatever they accuse liberals of, they themselves do, right? And my God, that has been the best observation in TYT history.

And so the Epstein case is a story of essentially Pizza Gate, child pedophilia involving the elite, except it's real, it's not out of a pizza parlor, it's out of a mansion, and a yacht, and a jet, literally, and it involves people like Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz. Now, whether they all did it is a different question, okay, but it's a real question. And we're gonna tell you what happened today, but there's a doozy of a twist in the original non-prosecution agreement. I mean, it's potentially world changing. When I saw it in the Miami Herald, I was like, what? Why in the world did they put that in?

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once again avoided a full public accounting of the many charges of sexual assault that he has faced over the years. We're going to run you through this. It's a complex story involving a lot of different elements, very dark as well. So first, an overview. Jeffrey Epstein could have gone to prison for life. He was accused of sexually abusing dozens of underage girls at his Palm Beach mansion between 2001 and 2006. But as Julie K. Brown reports at the Miami Herald, he ultimately got just 13 months in a county jail, sort of, thanks to a deal signed by Alexander Acosta, then the U.S. attorney for Miami,

and now President Trump's Secretary of Labor. Flash forward to today, he has reached a settlement, actually, in a lawsuit in which some of his accusers were expected to testify, avoiding yet again the prospect of facing the women in court. So what they would have said, we don't know, because of that settlement early today. Now, overall, he has said that any encounters he had with his accusers were consensual and that he believed that they were 18 at the time. You can believe that if you would like. Let's talk back to, go back to the original time that he spent in jail, how we got to that point rather than some more drastic sentencing. When authorities began investigating Epstein way back,

he assembled a team of private investigators to dig up dirt on the girls who accused him and the police and prosecutors working the case. Then he and his team of powerful lawyers, including notably Alan Dershowitz and Ken Starr, were able to convince prosecutors to go easy on him despite disturbing allegations by a growing number of women and girls. When word finally reached Palm Beach police of Epstein's criminal behavior, Acosta bent over backwards, At the request, then the insistence of Epstein's high-powered lawyers to ensure that the millionaire received minimal jail time and even less publicity. Worse, Acosta appears to have violated federal law by keeping the deal a secret.

Epstein's young victims were never notified of the agreement, therefore they never had a chance to challenge it in front of a judge. So we don't know what effect that would have had if the judge had access to all of the information of all the people involved in these acts, but they did not get that. Now give you a little bit more details of what he is alleged to have done. He is accused of assembling a large cult-like network of underage girls with the help of women who were, quote, recruiters to coerce into performing sex acts at his pink mansion in Palm Beach. One of the victims said he was insatiable.

It was always, get me more girls, get me more girls. He made the girls massage him, watch him masturbate, and allow him to penetrate them. Many of the girls, poor or from troubled homes were lured to the mansion by money. He would pay them about $200. And that same reporter for my Emmy Herald apparently identified at least 80 women, possibly more, who say that they were molested or otherwise sexually abused by Epstein. Now, there are some complicated factors I know, Jenk, that you're interested in in particular, but pretty dark case, and to go to jail, a county jail, for such a short period of time,

very noteworthy. So let's break this down into a couple different categories. First is the travesty of justice that happened to Epstein in how little justice was served to him, okay? And then we'll get to Alex Acosta, the current Labor Secretary, then we'll get to the high-powered figures like Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, and Alan Dershowitz, who were friends with Epstein. So on Epstein, the guy gets 18 months. The FBI had started a probe, as John just told you, there were allegations of over 80 women.

They had already identified three dozen. So 36 women, they already knew. And I say women, but actually a lot of them were girls as young as 14. And they magic, they could have gotten a life in prison. Magically goes away for 18 months, but the part that you're- 13 months actually. Yeah, no, he serves 13 months. The sentence is 18 months, he serves 13 months, but did he really serve the 13 months? They let him out during the day to work.

And sometimes he would come back to jail at 10 o'clock at night. Yeah. That's not prison, it's just not. Can I build on that just briefly? So he was let out, this is six days a week, 12 hours a day, basically prisons like your apartment, you just don't spend much time there. And specifically in Palm Beach, their sheriff's department, it prohibits work release for sex offenders.

So he never should have been eligible for it to begin with. Now, it's just an unbelievable injustice. And he trafficked these girls through the country, throughout the country in New Mexico, according to the charges, in Florida, in New York, and perhaps internationally. Do you know what Alex Acosta's job is now? So he's the labor secretary, but you might not know what that entails. The labor secretary is in charge of stopping sex trafficking. So the guy who allowed the sex trafficking of Epstein is now in charge of preventing

sex trafficking. Yeah. So they dropped all the federal charges and refused to look into it for the plea agreement of a so-called 18-month sentence, that was 13 months, that was actually nothing. He just, it was a hotel room that he went back to in Palm Beach, okay? Private wing. A private wing, what is he, Pablo Escobar? And in a sense, he is.

He's America's version of it. And so the corruption is despicable here. He had sex with underage girls and trafficked them to his powerful friends. So these insane Republicans with their crazy theories about pizza gates, et cetera, and it turns out the pedophilia is right under their nose. It's done by Epstein and his powerful friends. It's not Hillary Clinton, it's not people in a basement, although it does potentially affect Bill Clinton, we'll get to that in a second.

But who covered it up? The government covered it up under Bush and now Acosta is rewarded by Trump and made the labor secretary. Okay, and what he did was flat out illegal. I don't mean Epstein, that's obvious. I mean Acosta, the federal law that he broke is the Crime Victims Rights Act. You must, as a matter of law, tell the victims if you're going to do a plea deal. He didn't.

Not only did he not tell the 36 victims that at least that they already knew about, the FBI knew about. Remember, he's a U.S. attorney down in Miami, so he's at the federal level. But he stopped the FBI from any further investigations to find any more victims or any more perpetrators. Acosta should be arrested. I'm not kidding, at all. I mean, the guys, aides and abets a pedophile ring and breaks the law to do it, labor

secretary, no, no, no, no, no. They should immediately do a case on Acosta. Do we have rule of law in this country or don't we? This is the worst of the worst, a child pedophile ring, and it's real. Okay, so that's Acosta and Epstein. So why am I worked up about his powerful friends? Get a load of this. Not only was Epstein given a light sentence, but his four accomplices in the agreement also

received immunity from federal criminal charges, but then they put in something very unusual into the immunity. They granted immunity to quote, any potential co-conspirators who were also involved in Epstein crimes. Wait a minute, but you don't know who those co-conspirators are. I've never heard of a case where you go, hey, if anybody else broke the law here, they are definitely free to go. Who puts that in an immunity deal?

No prosecutor would ever do that. What the hell? How is that even legal? I don't know that it is legal, but it's, but one, it's absolutely preposterous, it's another obstruction of justice and, but most importantly, it's a giant red flag going, look here, look here, we're saying everyone who it was involved with Epstein gets out of jail free card, okay? So now, who are Epstein's friends?

Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, and a slew of other people, Alan Dershowitz, who then later became his lawyer. You know what Dershowitz did as his lawyer? He did research on the underage girls, went to there, back then, MySpace account, to try to find incriminating evidence against them. And then Epstein's thuggish private investigators would go and intimidate their families. And do you know that in the plea deal at the state level, they called a 14-year-old girl that he had sex with a prostitute.

And they say, it's okay, he's pleading guilty to having sex with an underage prostitute. No, by law, a 14 year old is not a prostitute. She is a victim of sex trafficking. She does not consent to anything, she's 14, okay? They called the victim of sex trafficking a prostitute. And Dershowitz made that happen, and he'll say, oh, well, I'm a lawyer, I'm a lawyer. Hold, two things about that. Number one, nobody made, well, I was going to say nobody made Dershowitz to take the case,

but it turns out maybe Epstein did, I'll get to that in a second. But you didn't have to take the case. There's a billion lawyers. It didn't have to be you. You did it for money and maybe self-protection, okay? So that's who Dershowitz is. And now you see him defending Trump all over the place. Well, now we see, huh, they're involved in the same case here.

I don't know if that's why he's doing it or if he's just a pathetic, pathetic man, looking for some attention in the national media, Dershowitz, right? I would buy that. Yeah, but it turns out, according to the investigators, Dershowitz also received massages at Epstein's mansion. And Dershwitz admits that he did receive massage, but he said it was a therapeutic massage. I'm sure it was. Now, another witness says Epstein had cameras all across the mansion.

Why? Because he wanted to have blackmail material on his high. high-powered guests. Now, remember, he's a Wall Street speculator. That's how he made all his money. That's how he has the mansion, the yacht, the jet, et cetera. And get a load of this extra cruel joke. The prosecutors claimed that one of the reasons they were taking it easy on Epstein

was because he gave them valuable information on another case. That case was the case against two Bear Stearns executives during the crash. Well, that sounds good. They went after two bankers, right? Epstein was a giant investor in Bear Stearns. So he turned in two guys who ruined his investment. Wow, what cooperation. Very, very bold.

Oh, yeah, that's so magnanimous of you. I can see why the prosecutors cut you a giant break from your pedophile ring, right? Wouldn't he have done that anyway? Of course, he would have done that anyway. Those are the guys who ripped them off, and of course, since they're bankers, they were acquitted anyway. So what on God's green earth did Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, and the other high-powered people do with Epstein? You know, Trump talked about, oh, Epstein loves the girls, you can't stop him. He likes him a little younger than I do.

Yeah, but Trump was married during all of this time. And so was Bill Clinton, so was everybody else. So who are the unnamed, quote-unquote, potential co-conspirators that got blanket immunity? They should reopen this case immediately. Now, good news on that front is there's a second lawsuit that was. was ongoing. John told you about the first lawsuit. He claimed that one of the lawyers representing the girls had, you know, said bad things

about him. Not nearly enough, apparently. So now they settled that case because the victims were about to take the stand in that case. So before they got to the portion where the case would actually begin and they would hear witness testimony, Epstein, and Miami Herald, wonderful job. This is journalism. He looked his story, did a terrific job with it. So he sees it in the papers, they're about to go to trial, the witnesses, the girls are about

to go on the stand, and Eppsie's like, okay, never mind, never mind, never mind. And he settles the first case and included in that as a profuse apology to the attorney, okay? That was involved in that case. But there is a second case. And the second case involves the women who at the time were underage saying they never told this they were settling this case. I never got my day in court. This guy ruined my life.

Looked me as a 14 year old, 15 year old, and then not only had sex with me, but peddled me to his rich and powerful friends, giving me out as a sexual favor. And I never got my day in court. And they say something else powerful. They go, look, a lot of the Hollywood actors and actresses and celebrities on TV got some justice in the Me Too movement, that's great. But how about us? We're just regular people.

And so some of them now work at restaurants, bars, hotels, et cetera. One of them worked at Mar-a-Lago. He says, how about us? Where's our Me Too? And they robbed that of us, and they never even told us they were settling these cases. So that civil lawsuit could be world-changing. Who are the co-conspirators? And you knucklehead Republicans, you believed all this nonsense of QAnon and Pizza Gate of things

that were imaginary. This is the actual pedophile ring and involves the most powerful people on earth. Again, I'm not saying that Trump and Clinton did it. I have no idea. All I'm saying is they were definitely friends with him. They went on what was called the Lolita Express. That was his private jet. That could mean anything.

Yeah. That was there. It's unofficial name. I don't know that they participated. We know that Dershowitz got a therapeutic massage, okay? Who else got therapeutic massages? And Acosta should be investigated immediately and should be removed from office immediately. Hashtag fire Alex Acosta and everything else we need.

But do we have a justice department? We're going to find out soon. Because if we have a justice department, this is as big an injustice as you will ever see. And they need to get on it immediately. I mean, imagine how Trump would interfere if they did, if they do reopen that, if they start to really dig. I mean, you saw his obstruction of justice in plain sight earlier this week. about Roger Stone and about Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen. I mean, he feels completely unfettered by any restrictions from not tampering with witnesses

and all of that. Yeah, are you kidding me? If today the Justice Department said we have an arrest warrant for Alex Acosta, the Labor Secretary, first of all, they would never do that. Because the elite have different rules. Look at Epstein. Yeah, he'll go to private wing. Yeah, they have to, if you had sex with a 14-year-old girl, you know what would happen

to you, very likely life in prison, okay? If not that, at least minimum, minimum 20 years. And then you'd go up and tell the judge, yeah, but I'd like to get out during the days and take 12 hours off. Oh, you'd like to get out of prison every day for 12 hours, would you? Okay, which regular citizen gets that deal? They didn't think to ask. No, if they only they had hired Alan Dershowitz and Ken Starr, Kent Starr, who probably

prosecuted Bill Clinton for sex? Now, Epstein's a pedophile, and he's like, yeah, right in, where's the money, where's the money? Oh, you actually raped 14 year olds, where's the money? That's who Ken Starr is. That's who Ken Starr is, okay? The minute they can get fame and money, they'll do anything for it. They were not court-appointed lawyers.

They made a ton of money by defending this pedophile. Okay, let's do one more story. Okay, let's do it fast then. ACLU has filed a lawsuit against a sheriff in Florida for allegedly trying to deport a U.S. citizen. So let's talk about who this person is and what it is that alleged to get them involved in this, where this sheriff was trying to get them deported. We're talking about Peter Sean Brown, who is born in Philadelphia and has lived in Florida for the last 10 years. That was his first mistake. Brown reported to the Monroe County Sheriff's Office in April for violating his probation for a low-level marijuana offense and was subsequently detained longer than was required at the request of ICE.

ICE believed that he was, in fact, a Jamaican undocumented immigrant of the same name and was intent on deporting him. Despite his repeated pleas that he was a U.S. citizen with a birth certificate and a Florida's driver's license, Monroe County jail officers told him he was being sent to a country. he'd only been to once on a cruise. Peter Sean Brown said, I am and have always been a citizen of the U.S. I did not even realize what ICE was at the time. And reading through it, I realized it had something to do with immigration. And at that point, it made a comment of there must have been a mistake.

And so he goes in there for his low-level marijuana fence. This is the system they've set up. They get people into the system for stuff that should never be illegal in the first place, and then they abuse them in a million different ways. And they mix up the names because it's Peter Brown. super specific, so I can understand why you'd be sure that it was, in fact, the undocumented immigrant. I mean, how many Peter Browns could there possibly be in the country?

And then he is like trying to get them to at least investigate, to look into it. He's saying, I have a birth certificate, I have all this, I can show it to you, I can prove it, and they're not interested. In fact, it goes beyond that. According to Brown, ice officers mocked him with a Jamaican accent, telling him everything is going to be all right, Mon. After he told the ice officers he was from Philadelphia, they mocked him with the fresh prince of Bel Air theme song.

I don't even don't understand what direction they're going with that. Do you think he's from Jamaica or do you think that he grew up watching First Prince of Bel Air? Maybe the show was big there. I don't know. And so the issue is they didn't listen to him and they didn't care enough about the fate of this man to actually do any research whatsoever. The sheriff's office ignored all the indications that it was legally detaining him.

It didn't investigate. It simply held him in violation of his constitutional rights. And after he was entitled to release under state law so that he could be picked up by and deported from the country where he was born and who has lived his entire life. And thankfully, the ACLU and the Southern Poverty Law Center is on the case and trying to do something about this. And thank God, by the way, the back when he was being held, one of his friends actually faxed in a copy of his birth certificate, because if it wasn't for that, he might be stuck in

Jamaica right now. So let's break down the several things that the Florida's Sheriff's Office did wrong here. One is the crime of stupidity. I mean, really, to John's point, it didn't occur to you, there might be a different Peter Brown. That just didn't occur to you. But I'm gonna, the third one is corruption, and that's gonna explain why they would, I mean,

what a monstrously stupid thing. Oh yeah, Peter Brown must be the right guy. We got him, everybody. Oh yeah, everything's gonna be all right, Mon, like he's not Jamaican. He's like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm from Philly, all right, Peter Brown's from Philly. What are the chances, right? I mean, if that's all there was to it, they're the dumbest people in America. So that's your best defense.

Good luck with that. Okay. Number two is, you know, at first I read the story and I'm like, Peter Brown, why did they assume that he was an immigrant? And it didn't occur to me until I read further and they thought he was Jamaican. I'm like, oh, the guy's black, of course. If it was a white Peter Brown, you think they're gonna assume that he was an immigrant? Yeah.

Of course, they're not gonna assume that. So, sprinkling a little bit of racism. Yeah, top of the morning tell ya, head back over to the homeland. Yeah. They don't do that. Yeah, we got Peter McDougal, obviously we're sending him back. That's happened, never, okay, back in the day when the Irish were the main immigrants probably did happen a lot, but not today.

And then now we get to the real answer, corruption. Turns out ICE is paying 50 bucks ahead. Oh, God, damn it. That's insanity. God, so now, by the way, they will take Peter McDougals and white people and whoever and send them back to random-ass countries, right, because they're getting 50 bucks ahead. No, don't incentivize them like that. You think the local yokels in Florida's sheriff's offices are going to be like, no, guys,

let's make sure we got the right Peter Brown. Yeah. No, they're going to play Fresh President Bill there and destroy a guy's life because they wanted to get 50 bucks. And the amazing thing about that amount is, it is enough money that if you are crazy and racist and stupid, you'll do something immoral to get it. But it's not enough money that like you really like care if they are actually the person. So it's like not like, well, I want to be really sure about this. Yeah, so look, I have to confess that even though it was just Democrats and Alexandria Ocasor-Gortez that started abolished ICE, I was a little skeptical in the beginning.

But look at this. Now, this is a pilot program that ICE has that gives these bounties for the local cops to hold people that might, might be immigrants, okay? So how many guys are they gonna hold to make money? I mean, this is part of the problem with the forfeiture laws, right? And so once we told the cops, hey, if you think that somebody's smoking marijuana, you could just take their car, you could take their house. You can live in their house, you could drive their car, you could sell it, and they

use it to buy yourself giant big screen TVs and video games and tanks and whatever toys that you'd like, they're like, fantastic. I think that's marijuana. I think that's marijuana, et cetera. And the last three presidents before Trump, all smoked marijuana, the same violation as this guy, is Peter Brown. Are they all being deported? Where we're going to send Bill Clinton back to?

Where we're going to send George W. Bush back to? Because I'd like to send it back somewhere, okay? Don't give Trump the idea of deporting Obama. Okay, he might try. Yeah, and so, and by the way, just because they weren't dumb enough, ICE claimed that Peter Brown, the immigrant they were looking for, was seven foot tall. This Peter Brown was five foot seven. And the guys in Florida are like 50 bucks? Yeah, he's seven foot tall.

We got the right Peter Brown, and we're done with it. Welcome to the new America. Have we made it great again? All right. All right, super frustrating, that's for sure. $50. $50. Okay.

And then they say, why don't people trust the cops? I can't tell. Okay, so we got to take a quick break here. We got a lot more news for you guys. Unfortunately, another story of cops doing something wrong, this time in Alabama. Remember that guy they shot in the mall? They had the wrong guy. He was actually a veteran.

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