The Young Turks - Woman Killed By Racist Paramedic?; Trump Talks Tough To The Koch Brothers

Episode Date: July 31, 2018

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And there has been some investigation into this already. And it seems that there is some wrongdoing by these medics. And I'll give you the details on that. But first, let me give you the whole story. So Nicole Black alleges that her granddaughter gave her a call and said that she was worried about her mom. Her mom had become very sick. Her mom happens to be Black's daughter.

So, she lives nearby, she runs over to her daughter's home and finds that her daughter is extremely sick. She's, you know, bend it over toward a toilet, her lips are swollen, so she immediately calls 911. So since she lived a couple doors down, she immediately ran down to her daughters. There she found Crystal Galloway, that's the name of her daughter, slumped over the bathroom with her lips swollen, drooling from the mouth. Black said that her daughter was only kind of alert and had passed out.

She had recently given birth to a baby boy and had a C-section. And so the, you know, mother thought maybe these are complications from the C-section got to call the cops. Well, the dispatcher actually quoted the incident as a stroke and also noted that the individual is a transient, which is strange. So weird. Yeah. So- They're going to her house.

They're going to her house. And so there were a lot of mistakes made. And the question is, were these mistakes, were things done intentionally? And you know, we're gonna give you all the facts you guys can decide. And again, this investigation is ongoing. Now the fire rescue units arrived 12 minutes after being dispatched. Rather than put her in the ambulance, they put her in Black's car. They put her in her mother's car and the mother drove off.

The crew said it went back into service immediately. So the whole conversation, according to Nicole Black, as the EMS drivers put my child in my car was this was what was best because we couldn't afford an ambulance. That's what she says, the people who arrived told her, hey, don't worry, just take her in your car, you won't be able to afford the ambulance because it's $600. It's $600. Now, the story gets worse. CNN spoke to Black, and here's what she said about the whole ordeal.

They didn't take any vitals, they didn't take any blood pressure, they didn't check her temperature. The whole conversation, as the EMS drivers put my child in my car, was this was what was best for us because we couldn't afford an ambulance. This is a woman's mom that you're hearing from, Nicole Black. She said she called 911 for her daughter, and that's the picture that you see here. Her daughter just recently given birth via C-section. Galloway was hospitalized, but fell into a coma and eventually passed away. Let's talk with our senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen now about what should happen when you do call 911 there is protocol. I would think medical protocol. I mean, first of all, take the person's vital signs, right? I mean, that's really important. And that's what this inquiry that's going on. That's what these medics are charged with. That first of all, they didn't take her vital signs. Second, they said that, you know, the mom just drove away with the daughter. Well, if there was a refusal to get a transport to the hospital, there should have been a signed form, right? The patients should have signed that refusal and there is no signed form and then afterwards when

they were coding what happened in this whole thing they coded it as a canceled call the medic said it was a canceled call which is not what happened okay so there's these are extremely serious allegations so as i was first reading the story and CNN broke it originally and it didn't say in the headline that she had died ora had got into a coma when i saw she went into a coma It was like a gut punch in the middle of the story, and then it said she died. And I'm like, oh, no, she died. Because at first I thought it was an outrageous story of making assumptions about this poor person and not getting them to the hospital in time.

But it turns out they had a helicopter or out because as soon as they got her to the hospital and actually took her vitals, they're like, oh, my God, you're in a lot of trouble. We've got to get you out of here and get you to a place I can treat you. She goes into the coma and days later dies. So look, who's right, who's wrong? Because the medics say, oh, no, no, they wanted to go in the car and we were trying to help them, et cetera. They claimed, let me be specific, because they had to help this woman down flights of stairs to get her into her mother's vehicle, right? Into her car.

And so they're alleging, no, no, no, we didn't take the vitals inside the home because the home was too small and too dark for us to do that. And then they claim that they tried to do it outside, but couldn't because Nicole Black, the mother, rushed off to the hospital. No, but you guys helped the woman into the car. Yeah, no, no, there's a lot in their story that doesn't add up. First of all, you take the vitals right away. There's no such thing as a house too dark. And too small, yeah.

And too small to take vitals? That's not a thing. I mean, you can take vitals anywhere that's a preposterous thing to say, what if someone had passed out in a closet? I mean, hopefully you can move them out. But otherwise, you take the vitals because you got to go. You got to figure out what's wrong with them, right? That sounds incredibly made up.

And then the idea that you call it, they said it was a canceled call. That's how they reported it later. Well, it was not a canceled call. So what's going on? Why are you saying things that aren't true? And then Hillsburg County Administrator Mike Merrill at a press conference, and he is very skeptical about the EMS version of the story. But look, even if you're in that camp of no, I think for whatever reason the family's lying

and even though their story seems to match up a lot better, I don't know why you're in that camp. But okay, even if you're in that camp, look at the society we live in where whether it's the EMS or it's the patients themselves, a woman was stuck under a train the other day and didn't want anybody to call an ambulance because she was afraid she was going to pay too much. Look at how brutal the system is that everybody's worried about, oh, you can't pay, you can't pay, I should let you die, or you figure out if you want to die, or take a 10% chance of dying, or a 25% chance of dying. These are the calculations we make while we're either about to go in a coma or stuck under a train, because we have a brutal system. The rest of the developed world has universal health care so that if you're passed out or under a train, people come to help you. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-The-Republic, or UNFTR.

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So search for UNFDR in your podcast app today and get ready to get informed, angered, and entertained all at the same time. Because it's their actually humane and decent society. By the way, they also pay less for their health care than we do. They do, and I want to note one other thing. So the victim in this story had just given birth, she had a C-section, and there's a pretty big chance that there were complications from that C-section, which is why she got so sick.

The mortality rate when giving birth is incredibly high in the United States. In fact, it's the highest in the United States compared to any other development. country. In fact, more than 50,000 women suffer from severe maternal morbidity and from childbirth each year and 700 to 900 women die each year while giving birth. That is the highest number of all developed countries. So look, this story is outrageous because for God's sake, help her, don't make assumptions about her a financial situation.

By the way, they had insurance, they were fine, get her to the hospital, okay? But the part two is the outrage at large in the whole country. So the right wing keeps saying, we're number one. Number one at what? Not in healthcare, we're literally number 37. Not an education. We pay twice as much as countries like Canada and Japan. We have worse results, we literally lead shorter lives.

We have the worst material death rate during birth of any development nation, as Anna just told you. So where's the number one part? And on top of all that, we are in a constant terror dome of are we going to get sick? Are we going to be able to afford it if we get sick? If we get into an accident, can I afford it or should I just take a chance to die instead? That's insanity. And all this, for what?

Because we want to pay less? No, we pay more. We pay more. It makes no sense at all. So who makes all the money? The middlemen. And they're not government bureaucrats, the right wing has lied. to you your whole life. And unfortunately, a lot of the media aids and abets them. No, it is the

corporate bureaucrats. It's the middlemen of health care insurance and all the marketing costs they have, et cetera. That is totally unnecessary. They double the cost, put it in their pocket, and you're stuck under a train wondering if you're going to live or not. Well, I feel like the arguments in favor of a Medicare for all system or universal health care, those arguments fall short. And a perfect example of that is the next story that we're about to do. So let's get right to it. A Coke-backed organization commissioned a study to try to prove that a Medicare for all system

here in the United States, a proposal that Bernie Sanders has championed, would be a complete and utter disaster when it comes to our economy and that it would just simply cost too much. The only problem is the findings of the study actually indicate that the United States. United States would save a lot more money if we had a Medicare for all system. In fact, we would save about $2 trillion over 10 years if we shifted from the current system we have now to a Medicare for all system. So Bernie Sanders responded to this, and before I get into all the numbers and the specifics

of the study, this will give you an idea of how complimentary this is toward Bernie's proposal. Take a look. Let me thank the Koch brothers of all people for sponsoring us, that shows that Medicare for All would save the American people $2 trillion over a 10-year period. A Medicare for All health care system would save the average family significant sums of money. It will do that by substantially reducing the administrative costs now taking place as a result of the billing, bureaucracy, and insatiable greed within the insurance industry.

Here is the bottom line. If every major country on earth can guarantee health care to all, achieve better health care outcomes while spending substantially less per capita than we do. Please do not tell me that the United States of America cannot do the same. So I want to give context here. Every study that has looked at Medicare for all has shown that it saves money, doesn't cost money. So every time you see both bad actors and good willing people with good intent, ask the question of, but is it practical? Understand that there, the question is completely wrong.

It's like saying, well, you've got a great stake, but it costs less. Is that practical? Yeah, by definition, it's practical. It costs less, right? It makes no sense. And look, even Trevor Noah on The Daily Show. Why? Because the group think of New York and Washington is all progressive programs are not pragmatic

or practical. They cost more money. When in reality, it's the tax cuts and the wars that cost trillions of dollars. So now, there's different ranges for how much Medicare for all saves us for the entirety of health care in the country. One study has it at $17 trillion. Okay? Now, the most common one is the one that's $2 trillion, the one that Bernie referenced.

The one that the Koch brothers did, they're like, oh, Medicare for all. That looks out for average Americans and not billionaires. This costs so much money. And they meant to do debt great damage to. They're like, do you know how much you have to raise in taxes? this, it costs 32.6 trillion dollars. And then they, people, experts pointed out, the current system costs, cost 33 trillion dollars. This is over a decade, both of them are over a decade.

So you would actually, even under the Koch study, under the worst case scenario, we would still save $400 billion. Like, oh. At least $400 billion. That's kind of uncomfortable. Yes, I think the two trillion number is the one that, that most of the studies are landing on, right? So I think that's a fair one to use.

But it ranges from $400 billion to $17 trillion, the savings, not the extra money. What we save for a better system that covers all of us. Because look, this is the thing. I think the $2 trillion figure underestimates the savings as well. And I'll give you the exact reason why I think that. So look at how health care is handled in Cuba. Now I'm not saying that Cuba's perfect, however, Cuba doesn't have the resources to to effectively treat people who have illnesses that have progressed, right?

So as a result, Cuba has the best preventative health care of any country. I mean, it's incredible, like doctors go door to door and ensure that people are getting the preventative health care necessary to ensure that they don't get sick to the point where they can't help them. Now with that said, if you have a Medicare for all system, what are people likely going to do? They're going to go to the doctor for preventative health care. don't go to the doctor for preventative healthcare because they got to deal with, you know, the co-pay, they got to deal with deductibles if, you know, the doctor discovers that there's

something wrong with them and they need treatment for something. I mean, people are afraid to go to the doctor and get their annual checkups in the country. So if we had a system where that fear ceases to exist, I think people are going to go to the doctor and make sure that they're getting the health care they need so they don't get so sick to the point where they're being sent to emergency rooms and things like that. So now, I know what the right one is. Oh, you guys want us to be like Cuba? But no, the whole point is that even in a country where so many things have gone wrong

that is really, really poor and that is in otherwise disastrous shape like Cuba, even their health care is better than our health care. I mean, that is mind blowing, because almost everyone's health care is better than our health care. And for what? And you think, well, Jen, Anna, you guys can't be right. How could we save money and it covers everyone and it's better health care and it gets better results all across the world, there's something's not adding up here. So what's the catch?

Well, the catch is our system is more corrupt than other systems. We allow for legalized bribery of our politicians. So what do all the health care companies do? Most of all, insurance companies, because they would literally go out of business. So they spend tens of millions. Overall, up to billions of dollars when you combine the whole health care industry just literally bribing politicians. Now, it's legal in this country. And I know if you don't live in America, that seems amazing. No, you can't just give money to politicians. Yes, in our country, you can just give millions of dollars to politicians, and that's not called a bribe. That's called a campaign contribution or an independent expenditure. So they bribe

all of our politicians to maintain their profit at our expense, sometimes at the expense of our lives. Yes, and that includes pharmaceutical drugs that cost way more here in the United States compared to other countries like Canada. And also, look, and people get on me when I mentioned this. But it's the truth. It's happening. It's happening left and right. We all know it, right? The system that we currently have also leaves a lot of room for abuse. So to give you an example, you know, a family member got an MRI. And then we got billed because we didn't realize that this doctor wasn't in network for $12,000. $12,000 for an MRI. Come on. Come on. Total nonsense. It's highway robbery. Look, I'll give you the last example here. And this Medicare

for all debate is settled. If you actually care about policy, you care about the average American, there is now no debate left. It costs less. It covers everyone. You know the 15.5% of the country is totally uncovered. If they get sick, they're screwed. They either die or they go bankrupt or both. They die and their family goes bankrupt. It's madness. It's the terror dome we live in. Okay. Now, in terms of the example I was going to give you. The drug companies, which are the number one donors to politicians in America, even more than the oil companies, more than the banks, they drive more corruption than everything else. They made Bush, Obama and Trump, all of them, oh, I'm not gonna do it, I'm not gonna do it,

I'm not gonna let them get away with it. Obama even did an ad about it, so did Donald Trump. They get into office, they're like, oh right, you guys bribe me more than anyone else does. So just kidding. So what's the law that they all agreed to? The United States government cannot negotiate drug prices with drug companies. At TYT, we frequently talk about all the ways that big tech companies are taking control of our online lives, constantly monitoring us and storing and selling our data.

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Because just like everyone else, he's totally corrupt. And he said, oh, the drug companies give money to Republicans, then forget it. Let him rob us blind. We're not even allowed to negotiate. He just charges whatever the hell you like. That's why Americans pay so much more for their drugs than any other country because they bribed our politicians. The corruption is record breaking and the corruption and we'll actually have decent policy in the country. And Medicare for All is a no-brainer.

And by the way, it also pulls over 60%. So this is, look, my anger is bipartisan. The Republicans are 99.8% corrupt at the federal level. None of them serve you. If you're under that delusion, you're just not accurate. It's just not true. They take don't, they're the party built on donor money, okay? Now, why is bipartisan?

Yes, maybe 20% of Democrats are not hooked on the donor money. That sounds like a high number. Yeah, it does. Okay, now it's growing because of Justice Democrats and Bernie Sanders, et cetera. Now people are saying they're not going to take corporate bank money. So at least there's a little base within the Democratic Party that is not corrupt. So thank God finally after all these years. But overall, look at Obama, he did the same goddamn thing.

They even killed a public option. They did the Heritage Foundation plan and put a pretty face on it and said, voila, we fixed your healthcare. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. And the Democrats play along with the same exact donors, and they've also agreed to this system where we all get crushed. I'm sick of it. And by the way, the Democratic Party fights to keep money in politics. harder than the Republican Party does.

I know that because I founded Wolfpack at the state level, no one fights harder for the corruption than the Democratic Party does. Nancy Pelosi, so-called progressive groups like Common Cause and all those Washington groups, they're like, do not do change, don't do a convention, that would actually bring change. That might give us amendments. No, we maintain the corrupt system. That's what the Democratic establishment is. That's what the Republican establishment is.

So politically, we have to get, we have to steamroll them. We have to do whatever we can to crush them and move on politically. We fight legally, we fight politically, we fight constitutionally, and we're going to win if we, you know why? Because are literally, it's a matter of life and death. We know what the right policy is. But, and last thing, Democrats, you go Medicare for all. It's a no-brainer, and it's supposed to be a progressive position. The overwhelming majority of Democrats are still like, oh, that's impractical.

That's a Republican talking point. Why are you saying that? It's because you're corrupt. You take donor money. Anyone who's not for Medicare for All who's a Democrat, flat out corrupt, period, period. So just so you know. Republicans, at least they're honest. They go, I mean, relatively speaking, they go, we're for the rich.

We're going to do another round of tax cuts for the rich and only for the rich. It's capital gains cuts for the big drug companies. Of course we're in their pocket. We're the corrupt party. The Democrats lied to you. The establishment Democrats say, no, no, no, I'm on your side, right? Oh, Medicare for all. No, I'm going to help the Republicans crush that.

And I'm going to use the same talking voice. Diane Feinstein going around saying it's a complete takeover of health care. No, it's not. It's taking over health care insurance. Not the whole industry, not doctors, not hospitals. Why are you saying that? You know why? A week later, she went to a fun.

Thrown by the health insurance companies, because she's fundamentally corrupt, systemically corrupt, end the corruption, wolf dash pack.com, or get involved in any way you can, because we've got to end this. This is weird to follow that epic rant, which was awesome, but I just wanted to do a quick correction of myself, because in the first story that we did in this segment, I misread something and said that the woman who was supposed to go to the doctor by the medics was listed as a transient, no, it was transient ischemic attack, which is essentially a stroke. So I didn't know that medical terminology, I apologize for that.

We gotta take a break. All right, when we come back, I do have very, very good news for you guys, which is that now an actual civil war started within the Republican Party. Not the fake ones that MSNBC celebrates, that actually helps them. This one is actually going to hurt them. So I will explain when we come back. All right, back on a young Turks, Jenkin Anna with you guys. Let me read two tweets first.

MellyBitch writes in, my mom passed away in 2010. I don't think it would have helped, but I didn't call 911 at first, because I knew she'd be upset about a large bill. Oh my gosh. I knew she couldn't afford. They probably wouldn't have helped, but now I'll always wonder and went on to say in another tweet, I'll fight to the death for Medicare for all because no one, no one should feel the way that I do.

My mom was my best friend and I still miss her every day. We live in a brutal country man. I mean, I did a little ode to America in the beginning, but that's the idea of America. We must fix it. We must fix it, okay. So whatever it is, Justice Democrats, Wolfpack, get involved. I swear to God, we can make a difference. Look at what happened with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

And by the way, happy to announce she will be on the power panel on Friday. So she's going to be here, she's going to do the first hour with us. We can make change happen. We've done it together before. Let's do it again, okay? By the way, another so-called progressive group, Emily's List, now put in $634,000 to defeat Brent Welder. Are you serious? Because he's too liberal for Kansas.

They're, they're bragging about how the person they're supporting was a fellow in the Obama White House. The part they left out was she was also a fellow in the Trump White House. And she stayed in the Trump White House and did not leave. They're spending $634,000 to defeat a progressive in Kansas so that someone who served in the Trump White House can get that seat. insane. By the way, they got a new website, win with welder.com.

Go to win with welder.com, go to t-y-T-Kansas.com, go to whatever you want. But make sure you help Brent win. If those fake progressives take that seat by just buying it like that, it'll drive me crazy. It's gonna be a crime if that happens. All right, anyway, look, I'll do a fun tweet for you guys. Sixth Ream Puppet says, I prefer countries that weren't. weren't captured by corporate insurance interests, and we all do. Go to the YouTube super chat, Chip Walter says, always take the ambulance.

If you have no insurance money, it will trigger the hospital to seek to put you on Medicaid, which might help you, right? Julie Risto and Kamali Rose corrected us on the transient ischemic attack. But thank you guys, Anna did correct that in the last segment. Hugh Edwards says Jesus was homeless, true. to YouTube super chats here. Drew Wilson says, miss watching your show.

It's tough being a progressive in the military. We actually have a lot of people who watch this in the military. Spread the word. Spread the word in the military, too. You'd be surprised how many people agree with us, especially once they start watching the show. And then the last one is G-Love, says, Jenk and Anahit.

Did you know that Cuba has lung cancer vaccines? It's true. Look it up. And I agree with you, too, on Clinton and Obama. All right, well, thank you guys. We appreciate all that. All right. What's the next story, Anna?

All right. The Koch brothers have made it abundantly clear that they will no longer support members of the GOP who they feel are not living up to the Koch brothers' expectations. Now these are Republicans. They have been supportive of the very tax cuts that the Koch brothers and their supporters have been calling for. But apparently there are other issues that these donors are looking for these Republicans to take care of, including tariffs.

They hate the fact that Donald Trump has engaged in this trade war. So as a result, during their Colorado Springs get-together, which they do every year, here's what they had to say. They're saying that Representative Kevin Kramer from North Dakota doesn't do enough to further the Koch's policy issues to warrant their help. Okay, so to give you some more details on that, apparently this network is also currently not supporting Senate candidates in two other key states. Indiana and Nevada.

I'll get to them in just a second. But this has led to a feud between Donald Trump and the Koch brothers. Now, Trump has handled it the way he handles every other feud. He's gone after them on Twitter. But it's really fascinating because remember, I mean, corporations got a gigantic tax cut under Trump. Republicans overwhelmingly, Republicans in Congress overwhelmingly supported it, voted for it. But it's still not enough for the Koch brothers.

It's still not enough for these donors. They want more. So, there's a lot of different parts of this story and angles. Who's right? Koch brothers are Donald Trump, oh boy, right? Number two, this is a fight within the Republican Party, usually the kind of thing that MSNBC celebrates and is irrelevant. But this one is not irrelevant.

This one is very, very relevant, and it has potentially really positive ramifications. But the things that have been said are significant. Donald Trump called them a joke? Do you have those quotes? I do, I do. So let's go to Graphic 22. Here are the two tweets in reference to the Koch brothers. The globalist Koch brothers who have become a total joke in real Republican circles are against

strong borders and powerful trade. I never sought their support because I don't need their money or bad ideas. They love my tax and regulation cuts, judicial picks and more. And he also says, I made them richer, which is true. Their network is highly overrated. I have beaten them at every turn. They want to protect their companies outside the U.S. from being taxed. I'm for America first and the American worker, a puppet for no one.

Two nice guys with bad ideas, make America great again. So, yeah, there's a lot to break down there. Because while I actually agree with Trump on the whole issue of sending, you know, their jobs abroad or not wanting to be taxed, you know, offshore tax havens, like all of that stuff is true. And Koch brothers want to maintain those benefits. But Trump took advantage of that as well. Like Trump is lying to the American people when he pretends as if he's not also benefiting from that. Ivanka Trump up until just recently was benefiting from that by, you know, shipping jobs to other countries rather than manufacturing clothing for her line here in the United States. So first, let me do a breakdown of how different media handles this, right?

Fox News looks at this. Who's right? Trump or the Koch brothers, they say both. because that's their bread and butter. Those are guys they've supported their whole lives, right? So CNN looks at it and goes, I can't tell. He said, she said. I'm not going to tell.

I can't tell, right? MSNBC looks at it and says Coke Brothers. Morning Joe loves the Koch brothers, fawns over them. Joe and Mika go to Coke Brothers get-togethers and retreats and come back. And all the establishment people on MSNBC is say Donald Trump, Trump is wrong and the Koch brothers are wonderful Americans, okay? So I don't agree with any of that. So what's the TYT stance?

First of all, they're both wrong, okay? So that's, no other network will tell you that. They pick sides or like CNN refuse to pick sides even though things are obvious, right? And then the second part is more important, which is, well, it depends, what conversation are we having? Why are we against Trump? Why are we against the Koch brothers? Based on substance.

So the Koch brothers professionally bribe almost all the Republican Party. Sometimes some Democrats are corrupt enough that they might bribe some- Hyde-Kamp. Yeah, some Democrats as well. But overall, they're in the business of bribing Republicans. So they're wrong in the corruption that they do, and they say they do for a libertarian principles, hilarious. No, every one of their positions lines up with their business interests.

So on that, Trump is correct. They don't like the tariffs because they have companies that make things abroad. And they don't want that. They do want to open borders when it comes to trade. By the way, the Koch brothers are right that the tariffs are not going to help their economy. Right. So it depends. What are we talking about?

What are the facts, right? Overall, when you weigh all the different things that they're right and wrong about, in this particular case in this story, Trump is more right than the Koch brothers are. Fascinating. Yes. Yeah, and by the way, I just want to add one more facet to the story that I think is important. Look, the reason why Trump is, you know, boastful about this on Twitter, and it doesn't seem to be afraid of the loss of donor money, especially when, you know, the blue wave is coming

in the midterms, I think is because the Republicans who refuse to speak out against the trade war understand that they have a political price to pay if they go against Trump. Because remember, Trump's base is still very loyal to them. And so that's why they're choosing sides with Trump versus the Koch brothers. What's the point in bringing in Koch brother money or their campaign donations if voters are going to reject them for going after Trump? So look, I know what Trump is doing. And he's not really thinking it through because he's not bright enough, but it is, it's in his nature, right? He's accumulating power in just one person, which is what fascists do.

He doesn't like the distributed power of even the oligarchs like the Koch brothers having it. He says, no, I am now in charge. It's like Bain and Batman when he puts the hand on the business executive and goes, So you think you're in charge, right? So, and that's what he's doing. So I don't like that he's doing that. But are the Koch brothers part and parcel of the corruption in America? Absolutely.

He's totally right about that. But I did not get excited by that. Why? Because Trump flip-flops all the time. And remember when he said, oh, NRA, you know, they could intimidate other people, but not me. I'm going to get tough. And then three days later, they're like, hey, schmuck, you know how much they give you? And he goes, oh, never mind, we're not going to do anything that I said earlier.

The NRA is awesome. I've killed all my proposals. In fact, I shot them, okay? So I was waiting for him to do that with the Koch brothers because he doesn't know what he's doing. He tries to do the alpha male thing. And then the Koch brothers are like, do you know who you work for? And I thought two days later, he'll flip-flop because he's Trump.

That's what he does. But then, this is a really interesting development that just happened. Steve Bannon came out and said that the Koch brothers are, quote, a total scam, a Ponzi scheme. And then this is even more important, not just random insults. He said, no one ever knows who their donors are. Now, that's true. It's not just the two Koch brothers. They bring some of the richest people in the country into their retreats at Palm Springs

and other places. They do it a couple times a year, and since a lot of it is dark money, we don't know who those incredibly rich people bribing our politicians are. So now, here comes the right wing going after them. Bannon says, we are going to find out who they are, referring to the donors. We're going to identify people who the coax back. Okay, no, but that's real, man, because look, on the left, we're the only ones who would dare go after the donors. This is so much fun. Now, wait a minute, we are having fun.

Yeah. Okay, because this is, for the first time I've ever seen the right wing be genuine. Because most of the time, 98% of the time, whether they're politicians or their pundits or they're in the media, all they do is take donor money, billions, billionaire money, and do whatever they tell them to do. They're all puppets. But this is not what a puppet does. I'm being fair, credit where credit is due. And you know the right wing's way more vicious. So when we target the donors, we're the only ones, right, on the left.

Everybody else on the left is like, not the donors, not the donors, our beloved donors. The so-called progressive groups in Washington are totally in bed with the donors. So, but they're never gonna touch them, but if the right wing turns on their own donors. Those donors are about to get kebombed. Okay, so now that's a civil war that makes a difference. So, I can't stand this when MSNBC does this. And even their prime time shows, which I like from time to time, God, when they do this, it drives me crazy. When they're like, oh, do you know that the Freedom Caucus is pushing John Boehner or Paul Ryan

and they're having a fight within the Republican Party? Ha ha ha. No, you schmucks. That's pushing the Overton window to the right. It doesn't hurt them. It allows Paul Ryan to go, oh, what could I do? The House Freedom Caucus twisted my arm, and I just had to give the rich more tax cuts. That's a shell game.

You don't celebrate that. This is a real war. With Koch brothers versus the right wing in the form of Bannon and Trump, unless Trump flip flops, which could always happen, okay? And Bannon is not fully back in the fold. If he does not flip flop and they actually go to war and the right wing starts exposing right wing donors, then the battle is joined. As atrocious as they are, if you remember, Republican voters actually hate the corruption.

And the Democratic voters hate the corruption. We're trying to fight against the establishment on both sides. I've never seen right wingers be genuine, except take back our Republican, a couple other groups that are really, really conservative, and I disagree with them on everything else. But there are a couple of people who are genuine in actually trying to get free and fair elections. But if they are joined by this big faction of the right wing that actually fights against the donors, game on. Yeah, game on. And also, we hopefully at some point we'll get back to a place where we are legitimately debating ideas.

That would be amazing. Right, because look, I love the idea of debating ideas. But right now we're in this corrupt system where nothing is genuine. We can't even agree on the facts because everything is corrupted by the money. Look, I want to leave this story with Sam Nunberg's tweet because I think that it kind of summarizes this whole story perfectly. Graphic 24, he says, quote, the Cuck brothers better check themselves before they wrecked themselves. Wow, so Numburg's off to sauce and back on Trump.

Okay. I just thought that was a nice use of the word, nice use of the word cuck and also check yourself before the record. Yes, well, it sounds like a cucktastrophe is on its way. way, but one that might actually help the American people. Last thing for me is, look, the fake progressives, the establishment Democrats will look at this story and our coverage of it and they will say, how dare you? How dare you agree with Steve Bannon on anything or Donald Trump on anything? You're supposed to oppose them no matter what. We live in the black and white

world and the resistance means that, I mean, unless they're helping the rich, then we agree. But other than that, right? And there are donors too. That's fine. We agree with that. But other than that, you're supposed to blanket disagree with them. No, it depends. And so in this case, if they are genuine, and that's a giant if, and Bannon and Trump go after some of the donors, Trump won't go after all the donors because they're his donors. But if Bannon is legitimate and there's a real right-wing faction fighting against the donor class, that is an excellent turn of events.

All right, we've got to take another break. when we come back some foreign policy news for you, including what North Korea has been up to. You're right in the middle of this podcast. We've got another great segment coming up for you. If you'd like the full show, which is actually five segments, go to t-y-tnetwork.com slash join. You become a member, you support the show, you support independent media, and you get the whole two-hour show ad-free every day. Let's go do it now. All right, back on the Young Turks, Jen and Anna with you. Daniel L. writes it on Twitter, AP has a headline, study, Medicare for All projected to cost 32.6 trillion.

They say it's from a, quote, university-based libertarian policy center. But you have to read past the headline to get that. Are there numbers wrong or just sloppy reporting? God, I'm so glad you tweeted this in. Okay, so that's exactly what's wrong with the mainstream media. And we are going to put the TYT army on that immediately tonight. Okay, so let me tell you about TYT Army in the context of this. What I want you guys to do is to help us find reporting that's wrong like this and then go address it, okay?

So I'm going to start doing Facebook lives to tell you exactly what our projects are, and then you're also going to get emails about it. The way that you get the emails is TYT.com slash army, okay? So you join up by going to TYT.com slash army. Now, why? Because look at how terrible. Associated Press does not mean harm, and we're going to be polite about it, okay? But look at how terrible and misleading that headline is. It tells you that it costs $32.6 trillion.

What it doesn't tell you is it saves $33 trillion. Yeah, that's kind of a giant thing to leave out that it actually saves money. Yep. It makes it seem like we're adding $32 trillion of costs that don't already exist. That's, look, I want you to be polite, but that's terrible reporting. That is, and then to take your Koch brothers group, yes, it's based out of a university, but to frame it as university-based libertarian policy center without telling you who's funding the study and for what reason, terrible reporting.

Look, I want to be, and I don't think that I'm wrong or being conspiratorial when I say this. Look, the people who make it big in mainstream media, they're not like us, right? They're not like us. The hosts, the anchors that you see on CNN, MSNBC, all of the mainstream. They have millions and millions of dollars in contracts to do what they do. You think that Trevor Noah is immune from having the same issues with taxation that wealthy people do? He's wealthy, I'm sure he's a great guy.

But at the end of the day, he doesn't want to be taxed more. No, no, I hear you. But you don't even have to go to bad intent. They're in group think. Everyone they know doesn't know and think, hey, well, doesn't healthcare cost money right now? Are we really adding 32? No, in Washington and New York, everybody goes, oh my God, goddamn Bernie Sanders, he's gonna have $32 trillion, he's gonna increase my taxes.

Yep, right? Yep. So, and it's not necessarily because they're bad people. It's the goddamn group thing. That's why I want you guys to break through that group thing. I want the Associated Press to issue a correction. Sorry, wrong title, should have said it saves $2 trillion. And in this day and age, the headline matters just as much, if not more, than the body of the article.

Because people just read the headline, and they make their decisions based on that alone. And I'll read the story. I'm getting this from a tweet, obviously. But look, but that is what I want you guys to do, because we can't do everything here. And we're not the young Turks, you're the young Turks, right? So I join the army and be part of the guys who find the bad articles and then because you guys can be the research team and then you could be the action team, et cetera. Together we can make a difference. So already there's been projects about the New York Times, CNN, et cetera.

We can do this one too. Okay, so let me keep going though. There's too many things here. I just got to say, I'll just do two from YouTube super chat. Moon Sun for Life says, greetings from a proud TYT insider from Canada. You guys are awesome. Keep up the great work. Thank you. Appreciate it. Asking you is okay to support us from Canada. Yes, yes. You can't support politicians, but you can support TYT from anywhere, okay? Home of progressives, you like what we're doing. You've got to be part of the team here

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Don't forget, we're in Kansas, we're also in Hawaii. The establishment is trying to destroy Kanyella Ng. And almost all of them, the Democrats in that race, are blue dogs or lobbyists. One is a lobbyist for the private prison industry. Come on. So in that case, we already raised enough money. But if you want to help more, great. But what we need is volunteers to call.

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All right. What's next, Anna? All right. U.S. intelligence has discovered that North Korea is building new liquid fuel-powered intercontinental ballistic missiles. Now, the distinction indicating that these are liquid fuel-powered is important because if they are liquid-fuel powered, that means that the weapons need some lead time in order to be deployed.

But it still indicates that North Korea is continuing on with developing weaponry that they were supposed to stop developing under this so-called agreement with Trump. Now the satellite imagery gathered by US intelligence agencies indicate that North Korea is building these new ballistic missiles factory, ballistic missiles at a factory just outside its capital, and that's according to reporting by the Washington Post. Korea is also working on one and possibly two liquid-fueled ICBMs at its San Udong facility on the outskirts of Pyongyang. So this is now additional evidence indicating that they are continuing on with their programs.

And we haven't really heard much from Trump on this, but we have heard a little bit from the fine people at Fox. You know, the same people that were applauding Trump and saying all these great things about him after the summit. Remember, right after the summit, Trump said, quote, just landed, this is on Twitter, a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong-un was an interesting and very positive experience. Okay. Okay, I got to say, look, we said it at the time, but now that we know that they're developing

missiles, it takes on even more urgency. Only a very stupid person would come out of the first talks where you have nothing concrete in writing and no agreements and no factories taken down, no missile sites taken down, and say there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea. Yeah. Because then you just took away all incentives for them to continue in that process because you already declared the whole thing over. I mean, if you're on the other side of that negotiation, you've got to be thinking, how did we get this lucky. This schmuck says, and now it's his ass on the line, his political ass on the line

that it, and so he has to back us up if we'd continue to make nukes, because he already said that it was already done. Right. So it is such a terrible negotiation strategy. Art of the deal, are you kidding me? There's no strategy. Yes, so dumb. So this is so bad that even Fox News had to admit it. Take a look. North Korea could be working to build new despite its pledge to denuclearize. The Washington Post reports U.S. spy agencies are seeing signs that the rogue regime is working on up to two missiles capable of hitting the United States. This satellite photo reportedly shows production at a missile facility.

Not great, Steve, down to you. Wonder who at the spy agencies is talking to the Washington Post. Okay, so that was Ducey. I love how Ducey's only take away from that was, oh, I wonder why the intelligence community talking to Washington Post. Really? That's your commentary on this story? Amazing. Yeah. So for all the, I don't know if they're bots or whatever they are, because I tweeted about this earlier today, right? At Jank Yugar, good luck spelling it. So, and of course people pour in, they're like, oh, so you just want war with North Korea. All right, so for the billionth time,

of course we don't want war. In fact, we supported Donald Trump going to talk to Kim Jong-un without preconditions more than any other show. You know, where the mainstream is like, well, I don't know, he's celebrating a dictator. We're like, screw it, go talk to him. Who cares? I don't want preconditions. I want dialogue, which leads to peace. That doesn't mean that I have to agree that he had a great result.

Right. I wish he had a great result. I was rooting for a great result because I don't want war. The North Korea is deeply unstable. The very, very last thing I want is a war with North Korea. But you can't come out of the negotiations and say, I did it, I did it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, when you didn't do a goddamn thing. That makes more likely, not less likely, because now Fox News is even embarrassing you.

So now God knows what the orange buffoon is going to do in retaliation. No, that's why you should be careful and actually use diplomats who are smart unlike your dumbass. Yeah. All right, moving on to other news. Donald Trump indicated that he would be in favor of having talks with Iran with no condition set ahead of time. Well, Fox and Friends seems to be very supportive of this, even though they were not supportive of Obama when he had said the same thing back in 2008. Now, let's hear from Fox and what they think about having a conversation with Iran. Well, I believe in meeting. I would certainly meet with Iran if they wanted to meet.

I don't know that they're ready yet. They're having a hard time right now. He said that Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran were the main threats to U.S. security, those four nations. So let's think. All right, Russia, he's met with Putin. China, he's met with Z. North Korea, he's met with Kim Jong-un, and now the last one is Iran. What's he going to do with that? Keep in mind, there were some fiery tweets last week, just as there were last year with Little Rocket Man. Yes, I mean, the big difference between those four countries is Iran is a regime run by radical Islamists. I think he's been successful meeting with people. You just, you've got to go in clear-eyed with someone like the folks in Iran.

They are visceral and cultural enemies. They hate Israel. They want to wipe it off the map. It's a whole other league are the Iranians. You'd have to go in tough. You have to go in tough. But if you want change, sitting down with them might be the way to do it. How have Trump's talks with other adversaries gone well, right?

So, oh, you know, he met with Russia. Did that go well? Did you think that went well? Really? Oh, we'll talk to Kim Jong-un. Did that go well? I mean, there's now more evidence indicating that they've continued on with their nuclear weapons development.

Like, what went well? Can you give me an example of how those talks went well? Yeah, so before we go on to their hypocrisy, I got to make a couple of notes on that clip too. But you got to go in tough. Really? Like he did it with Putin? Come on.

Even you don't think that, right? And Pete Hegseth with, but Iran is different. Iran is different. Why is it different? He said they are visceral and cultural enemies. What does that mean cultural enemy? What does that mean? How is anyone a cultural enemy?

What is the definition of a cultural enemy? And he said, unlike the others, they're radical Islamists. But wait a minute, the North Koreans are the most radical people on the planet. So what are you saying? I know what you're saying. You're not worried about the radical. You're saying, Islam, cultural enemy. Now remember, we hate Muslims, so we have to treat them differently.

Even though North Korea is running concentration camps. Like Iran, the mullahs running Iran is a disaster. I don't want them to run Iran. I want Iran to be free country, okay? But is Iran in better shape than North Korea? It's not even close. Iran is in way better shaped in North Korea. North Korea is a terror state.

I mean, they live in a state of terror. They also support terrorism across the world. So the only reason you would think that Iran is worse than North Korea is if you're a bigot, like Pete's haggseth, and say that they are a cultural enemy. No, flat out bigot. If he said it about Jews, he'd be run out of town and he should be. He says it about Muslims, everybody moves out like, oh, it's no big deal. Yeah, of course.

Well, of course we hate Muslims. But they're different. They're different. Really? Pete, how are they different? So, as you can tell, they're in favor of Trump having talks with Iran. And by the way, just to clarify, I would also be supportive of Trump having a dialogue with Iran rather than, you know, going to war with them or, you know.

Basically, making the situation worse than it already is. Well, Fox just historically has not been in favor of American leaders, American politicians, having open dialogue with the Iranians. So I'll give you an example, and this is video showing their take on it since the 1980s. He'll talk to the Muller's of Iran, the new president of Iran, but he want to jump in. Go ahead. Wouldn't you? No, not really.

When you hear the president, when you hear Ms. Pelosi talking, is she talking about the Iranians? Is she talking about the Syrians? Is she talking about Mr. Putin? No, no. They're talking about the Republican. The president says he doesn't need to talk to anybody. He'll talk to Iran and Syria and Vladimir Putin. President says, I'm going to negotiate with a murderous anti-Semite group in Iran on a nuclear policy that they've waged throughout his entire presidency. They're on the brink of having a nuclear weapon in Iran and says, well, he has sent out some nice Rosh Hashanah tweets after a history of anti-semitism. The president's posture has been not even to talk to you guys. He has time for the mullahs, though, in Iran. And now this is...

You did the math right, Sean. You did the math right. Well, their message is clear. The president and his fellow Democrats will not meet with Republicans to discuss and negotiate over the debt limit. But the president may take time to meet with Iran's president. which is a country, of course, we haven't had official relations with since the 80s. No, but I don't know how to talk to the right wing anymore because they don't use logic and they don't care about facts. So how do you convince them? You just saw the two videos. They're obvious hypocrites, gigantic, glaring hypocrites. When Obama or Democrats say, let's talk to Iran,

they say, oh yeah, it's time for the mullahs. Would you talk to them? No. When Trump says it, genius. You got to talk to your enemies. I mean, he's talking to all of us, all of our enemies. That's what you got to do. That's what you got to do. You got to go talk to the molas. Yeah.

Can you get any more hypocritical than that? On the other hand, we have been consistent all throughout. So should Trump, should Obama have talked to the mullahs? Yes, because you don't negotiate with your friends. You negotiate with your enemies. When Dick Cheney said that he wouldn't even talk to the Iranians about a peace deal, I went ballistic. I want a monstrous, stupid thing to do, because it's purposely meant to lead to more war, right?

Obama came in and said, yes, I will talk to the Iranians, great. When Trump says he's going to talk to the Iranians, great. That's what we want. We want dialogue. We want peace, not war. The more you talk, the more you do diplomacy, normally war is less likely. I mean, Trump is a serial bungler. I mean, what he did in North Korea and Russia has not been great, but I would still vote for dialogue over conflict.

Yeah, look, I agree with you on that. I would vote for dialogue over conflict any day, even if it's Trump engaging in that dialogue. But I also want to add that giant caveat because that caveat is important. Look, it's incredible how Fox can take the exact same issue and use it to their political advantage, regardless of who the politician is, right? We hate Obama, so if Obama wants to engage in these talks, we're going to rail against him. We love Trump, so if Trump wants to engage in these talks, we're going to support him and tell everyone that they should be in favor of that, right?

But the thing is, at least Obama wasn't stupid, right? So Obama is not, whether you agree with his policies or not, and I hear you, he was flawed just like any other human. You have to at least acknowledge that he wasn't an idiot, and he wasn't easily manipulated by other world leaders. Someone like Trump is so easily manipulated, and if he's not being manipulated, he's incredibly thin-skinned and offended immediately at something nonsensical. So yes, we should have diplomatic talks, but I do, you know, I am skeptical of what will come

out of those talks considering the person who would engage in them. So look, I hear you, Anna, and I'm not gonna change my position on it. I still, I think it's a net positive for him to go talk. But the things I'm concerned about is when he goes to talk to North Korea, there are other forces within the US government and within the Republican Party saying, we don't really want to go to war with North Korea, there's not any oil there, there's a great number of reasons why that's a mess. And we don't want that.

And some of them just because some Republicans are not as stupid as Trump, and they realize that millions of people would die and that's terrible, right? And there isn't much money to be made there. In fact, if you lose South Korea, it could start a tailspin for the world economy. So when you go to Russia, you don't have to worry about Trump, he's not going to war with Russia, okay? That's not an issue. When you go to China, we have so much trade with China, military is not an option at all.

When you, when Trump goes to Iran, almost all of his advisors will be like, go get him, show him how tough you are. Yeah, push him, push him, push him, push him. Oh, you got to push the Ayatollah around and insult them and spit on him and do whatever you need to do. Because Bolton wants to go to war, his national security advisor. A lot of the establishment wants to go to war. The neocons want to go to war. And so you're going to send a guy who doesn't know what he's doing, backed up by a lot of war mongers into that kind of a situation. I hear you that it is precarious, but still a little better than not talking to them and just

going straight to conflict, which is, that seems to be their plan A right now. Yeah, it's terrifying. All right, let's take a break. When we come back, what Trump thinks about collusion, is it legal, is it illegal, he is a hot mess. He did it, he did it. It's so obvious when we come back, it'll be even more obvious. and I'll tell you an amazing interactions I've had with people who still don't believe. All right, we'll be right back.

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