The Zach Nichols Podcast - ZNP Special Traitors Review EP. 4-6

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

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We're rolling, bro. Get it started. Holy shirts and pants. Holy shirts and pants. It's a hell of an organization. It is. Yeah, man. Anyways, welcome back to the Zach Nichols podcast. I'm here with Big Perry.

Yeah, Uncle Perry in the building. Yeah, he must have gotten a hold of Josh's stylist because he came in here, wheeling and dealing today. Yo, Josh Martinez, you know you got to give me a call, man. I've been waiting for your phone call. Really? Yeah. Trying to do some business with Josh.

Well, don't hold your breath because he didn't show up to my wedding either. You got no Kyle, no Josh at your wedding. Even RSVP, dude. Give those fucking, give those fucking invitations to better people next time. Let's see, I got some shoutouts. Give a round of applause for my co-host Zach Nichols, please. Act like you've never done this before, G. But why?

All right, you got some shoutouts. Got some shoutouts. First one, shout out to my beautiful wife. We're giving birth this month. Round to pause for Jenna Capono Nichols, please. She's ready to drop this one. Oh, yeah? She's ready to go.

Uh-huh. I feel like she's not like as physically big as I see a lot of pregnant women. No, she keeps it nice and tight. I see that. She works out. She's like, yeah, she's. You saw that stair stepper that she got up, man. I saw it, right when you walk in.

Yeah, equal parts, beauty and pregnant. And I guess I would have to also give a big shout out to Brittany Palmer, formerly known as Brittany Thornton. She's also with child. That's right. Big shout out for Britney. She's glowing. She's actually one of the real ones. Yeah, one of the real ones.

Oh, dude. She's one of my favorite people that I've met from the challenge. Jenna as well. We both, we adore her. She showed up to our wedding. Another MTV kit through and through. She, oh gosh. She's the definition of MTV Kid. She's awesome.

Yeah, yeah, a big shout out to her. Yep, get a round of applause for Brittany Thornton, please. Thank you, G. You know how we talked about, like, companies and things that we were going to help endorse or whatever? We did talk about that. You got someone to talk about it? Yeah, so in, it's right on M59, M59, or U.S. 23, it's a coffee shop. It's called Thread Creek Coffee Coffee Shop.

It's where I get all my coffee now because the owner doesn't take a profit. He pays his employees. He pays his bills. Sends the rest to fight child trafficking and human trafficking. Oh, wow. That's really nice, man. What is it called again? The Red Creek Coffee.

The Red Creek Coffee. It sounds awesome. We should do a fan meet up there. Well, what I like to do, what I have to think is like you hear about these things that are going on in the world. And you're busy, but you're like, I wish I could do something. Well, this dude did something and made it easy for everyone to do something. So now if you want to do a good deed, all you got to do is go buy some coffee. Go get some coffee.

Is it good? Is it good coffee? So, yeah, of course. It's delicious. Here's the thing. I don't even... Trying to make sure. Well, I don't like the taste of coffee.

Oh, okay. I just drink it because it fires me up. It fires you up. Yeah, it gets me going. Jusies. So it's a legal way to stimulate your senses, right? Mm-hmm. It's the dad way.

Exactly. So I go straight espresso, but... Thread Creek coffee on M-59. Is there a city attached to that? It's like right in the heartland. Right in between the heartland. Hartland and Howell. Our stomping grounds, basically, Kensington Valley Conference.

810. You know it. Yeah, so, yeah, I've been getting my coffee from there, and it's great service. They have cool T-shirts, too. Oh, that's sweet. Well, we'll plan a fan meet up there at some point, maybe sometime in the summer, where if you guys want to, if you're not coming to the live show, which, you know, I know is expensive, and obviously that comes with a guest, but that'll be a way for us to meet us.

Or it's just something, like, if you're like, what can I do to help, you know, be on the good side of things. Of course. You know, buy some coffee. Absolutely. Maybe we'll throw some merch over there. Maybe we'll do a giveaway. We'll do something with them. You know, for sure.

I mean, I do stuff there all the time, buying coffee. There you go. Beans, man. Buy your coffee. Thread Creek coffee. Yeah. You guys have been asking us to do another trader's review, and we've been wanting to, but we're trying to get things figured out with our sponsor, Peacock, who we did a little deal

with. We've been fun to do that. Yeah. We haven't really heard anything from them since. But you know what? I do like talking about traders. It's awesome. It's a fantastic show.

I've really enjoyed seeing. you know, gamers and non-gamerers play. And one of the biggest players who traditionally wasn't in a game show is Pete. He's been doing his thing. And I, dude, I was hating on him so hard. Me too. Here's the thing. Pete's making moves, but he's not playing to win right now.

He's playing to expose traders. So like he had to do a fraction of what he's doing. He needs to do. But if they didn't have the opportunity to ask Pete to be a traitor, he'd be the next one going home. He'd have to be, even though it's actually a pretty obvious move for Pavardi to do.

Ask him to be a traitor? No. To kill him. Yeah. It's like this, but this is her only move to keep herself safe. You know what I'm saying?

You think her name's the hottest right now? Now that Dan's gone. Yeah, for sure. Okay, well, we got three episodes to cover, so we're going to fly. Yeah, we're going to through them. We're going to fly through them. Chevy,

but they were three great episodes. I'll give you that. They're all great episodes, honestly. Pierre just took a Jeffrey. Let's see if I can make it. Is the trash can in the frame G over there? No, it's not. Okay, well, I'm going to see if I can make that.

Oh, I was close. Pick that up later. All right, you ready to rock? Yeah, that was a terrible hook shot. Relax. Speaking of basketball, we played last Wednesday. Keep reminding them. We were kicking their ass.

Wait, gee, if, let's just say me and Pierre are on a team and on the other team is one or two or two college players because Jack and college players. For sure. And two varsity high school players. And we only get one of them. per game and we play three games. What's our record? What do you think?

Me and Pierre are on the same team. We get one of those athletes, but then that means we won two out of three. Yeah, she was here last week when you told me. Oh, did you hear that? Okay, how about this? Do you think I dunked last week? Damn it. He slammed it hard.

No, it wasn't hard. I wanted to post it on the Instagram, but he gave me the judge of the hill, like, no. Yeah, because I'm barely getting there anymore. Nah, man. Well, we're going to, I'm going to secretly film it one day. But we'll go. Anyway, let's get back to traders. Let's get into it.

Okay. So, episode four picks back up with a Povardi kind of handing the chalice to Ekin Sioux, right? The slow acting poison. Dude, I wouldn't, that's like, that's a bad spot to be in as a trader. Now, did she have to do it because she was the new trader? I can't remember. I think she, I'm pretty sure she volunteered. Yeah, or were they like, since you're the new.

Yeah. I think it was kind of like new kids on the block. Yeah, your thing, dude. This is your thing. And Chinese food makes me. sick. If you don't know that, she's too, if she doesn't know that she's too young for you, bro.

90s. Yeah. So in that room when she does it is Pete, Bergey, Dan, T, Chichelle, MJCT and Janelle, no one notices or remembers. Because they're drinking. Well, I always forget that because I don't drink,

but like, how do you not, how do you not remember the person that's like, cheers, cheers, like no one remembers. I mean, I got to, I got to imagine with all those housewives. and all the different people there that there's some drunken stupidness going, listen, Trichelle's there.

Trichelle is like drinking with your crazy aunt, let me tell you. I would love to be in that room. In retrospect. I wouldn't actually. Trishel's crazy. No, I'm just kidding. No, Chishel's actually killing it.

She's either killing it or making a lot of awesome mistakes. But anyways, you're in that room. I don't know what you're saying, but at the same time, I've been at a house party. You've been at a house party. Gee's been to more than any of us.

And we all know that when the drinks get flown, and you just get having a conversation going like people get tunnel vision. True. And although for the camera being right on you, that's very obvious. But like I'm sure if you turn the camera to any other conversation going on,

there was very similar interactions. Right. Where everyone is just really like tuning everything else out. I'm here with you. I mean, I can sue never once said that she remembered that interchange. No one did. Like literally no one.

It was obvious for us. Big props to Pivardi. Yeah, that was executed to perfection. In retrospect, It looked like a smart. She needs a Dundee for that. Yeah. She does need a Dundee.

Do you think there was a better target or I can see the perfect target because she was so oblivious? I don't know if she, like, I mean, she's in the group, though. I'd attack the Bravo group because there's so many of them and it makes it look like an inside job. So I think she was the perfect target. Okay. And she seemed to be pretty stupid. She doesn't know anything that's going on. Dude, how awesome is Kevin?

Kevin? Kevin straight and chills. He's like, dude. I have to have been poisoned. I consumed everything. I ate the couch cushion. They fried my sneaker and I ate that. I have to be poisoned.

Yeah. Kevin is the man. He's growing on me because he started off being like a little bit whiny. But then I like he's calling everybody out. He's like, dude, Chanel, you're freaking loudmouthing over here. And, you know, I think it's great. Obviously, after that one, after that one dumb move that him and Pete did, I feel like they both turned their games around a lot. And in fact, for Kevin specifically, I thought Dan's only.

way to last another week was to kind of push it on Kevin, or Kevin, because people have been talking about Kevin a little bit, a little bit. And I thought he had a chance to go home, but he didn't. What did you think of Deonté while they're leaving? And is he mentally weak for not being able to handle it?

100% mentally week. I can't believe it. Did he last it a day and a half? Well, they didn't give a reason why he left. Yeah. So from the day's events. Basically, my girlfriend, Pepperment, took off. So he was so distraught over peppermint, not being able to share her story that he had to go home.

Heck, dude. Or he could have had a deal where it was like that was part of his contract. Like just get some viewers in, get him hooked and then send him home. I can't imagine like when you're... I liked him. I liked him in the show because he was saying like, hey, you're this, you're that. The reason why I'm mad that he left is because I think it exposes CT. Mm-hmm.

It makes CT like the alphaist man there. Well, it happens in this very next roundtable. Larsa gets very defensive and says it has to be an alpha. They're taking out all the big strong players. And CT's like, bro, why? What the fuck? What did I do? C.T. is killing it.

He is killing it. It's obvious at breakfast that Bravo is really strong. And Larissa thinks that she's the link. She's like, oh, I'm the real reason. I can sue. I think she's good at catching people. Yeah. And then this is where Larsa introduces her theory that it has to be an alpha male

because the strong competitors are the ones leaving, all right? Because who else would take out her, Marcus? He's such a threat. Besides, Scotty. the long nose He probably called a while there before Like, yeah, do me a solid Yeah, Scotty could

Smell that from Chicago Smell that move Just the move Do you think she ever babysat, Marcus? I know we probably touched on this, but be a lot cooler she did There is a 100% chance that she babysat Would you do that?

Could I? If you're Marcus, could you do that? Not in public. She'd be like the moped. Yeah. You always want to ride the moped, but everyone knows you don't want your friends to see. Yeah. Yeah, you're a duse if you're riding the moped in public.

But you know it's fun of shit. Have you ever not had a good time on a moped? Yeah, I do. Bro, I love mopeds. They're awesome. Right. Yeah, they're incredible, dude. You're speeding down the road.

It's not exactly street legal. Let it flow. You probably would love a moped right now. Look at that flow. Look at that flow. got it's um it's like a jet ski but on the street downtown okay you kind of got that little michael jackson look going dude someone over the weekend someone that most of you guys know said i looked like jesus over the weekend dude i don't want it come on man no we ain't talking about

you're sick yeah listen gee do you have that pale that you pop popcorn in but also pukin when you're really hung over let me get him on get this guy at pale um so in this episode um dan makes in my opinion a crucial mistake hitching his wagon to Poverty instead of Fadre. Look, it's obvious now that he made the wrong move, but why do you think he chose to essentially invest in Poverty over Fadra? And how did he invest in Povardi more? Like, that was one, the girl that he chose? Yeah, I think that was the one where he's like, hey, like, I can't win this game alone.

So like, let me trust Favardi. And in this episode, he's like, we got to give, he literally says it. We have to give them some blood. In my opinion, this is the perfect time. to give him Parvardi. She just poisoned. And if he was like, if he was like, hey, who's the one that was like, wasn't someone like holding up a cup?

Like, I just can't. I just don't understand exactly, but I just don't understand why people think that like, I want a gamer to do this. Because isn't that what everyone expects is it to be a gamer? I think that's what's keeping Fadra out of everyone's hair. And she's likable or out of everyone's radar. Now, the thing is is it's because. because she's so people don't think like, oh, she's not a gamer.

She probably didn't want to be a traitor. They probably didn't choose it to be a traitor because she's from Bravo. They're not giving enough credit. So Dan, at this point, if he was some real mastermind, don't you think at this point he would think, why would I want someone who's proven themselves in a game of competition, lying to see? Why wouldn't I want someone who, you have to see that no one is even suspecting her? 100%.

So why are you hitching yourself to someone who people might already suspect just because of her history. Same reason why I'm sure he didn't choose Janelle to be a traitor in the first place because Janelle is a gamer. And gamers are going to get called out which is why CTs lasted this long. Because he's not a traitor and he can get away with actually

not being a traitor. He has nothing to hide. Yeah, it's obviously that he's not a traitor. If you're a gamer, you don't want to be a traitor. So like, listen, unless you're Surrey Fields. She's the only person that I think can handle it like, listen, Dan, you're known for your big extravagant moves. The last thing

you should have done has been wanted to be a traitor and I had more I had a lot of hope I had a lot of hope that he could do this but I just think he might have been retired too long a hey you said it I mean I was going to say my damn here's the thing but I got to get it in go listen you're going to get it in but my whole thing that I have to remind myself is like he was really great at big brother in 2012 but a lot's happened on reality TV since 2012 a lot of money's been stolen backstab lied fill in the blank Josh Martinez has happened he changed the way big brother's played. He made himself the biggest target in the house and won by doing that. Dan, these big like my funeral type of things aren't going to work anymore.

Not for me. Grow up, Peter Pan. Count Chocula. I'd like to be a pimp from Oakland. Cowboys are Halloween. But look, he, he knew, he, he thought he knew that in this game, you can be low key. But if you're not vocal helping the faithful, you're a target, dude. You're literally obvious. And she says it. Janelle says it in this episode, the next episode. You're an obvious traitor. No one is buying anything else. I think that they're almost like this one's an easy one. So let's everyone is kind of thing. Let's get pushed to the end to the side because he's an easy one. And what's crazy is it's like we, he came in and he's like, oh, like the biggest big like big, like big brother

player ever. He keeps saying. But guess what? People have been doing that for a while now. Nicole's probably the best big brother player. What about Cody? Cody did the exact same thing. He's got a one and a two. You're not the best anymore and you did it before reality TV was really like savage and now it's super savage and you came back and you've been riding that wave from 2012 and sorry to burst your bubble but you got a tsunami coming your way you got a tsunami is called hydra oh man he she embarrassed him she embarrassed him i'm gonna i'm gonna do my dan ran i was saving it but i'm gonna do it right now really wait okay you go first and then i'll i got to this is what i got i got dan you've been exposed for being an incredibly selfish player i don't know why people

crown you the king because your game was obvious It was weak. It was soft and cowardly. You lost on your own accord. You're not a good actor. You tried to ruin Fadra's game. And your ship was sinking and you're a wuss for that. Even the 90s was.

So it was. And she embarrassed the fuck out of you. Said it. That being said, buddy, we asked Dan to come on the show. We asked Dan to come on the show. And he told us that he could stop by Friday at 530 for an interview about we don't do film. We want him here for like the whole show. Yeah.

We want to get to know who Dan is. Yeah, I think, to be honest, I might not. I think he kind of was like, yeah, I'll, like, I'll zoom you if I have time at 530. And we're just like, nah, that's not how it works over here. No, like, we want to talk about your big mistakes. Yeah, dude. And how you're getting eviscerated on here. Actually, spoiler, I heard from some, like, I don't know if it's true or not,

just some from, like, some spoiler account that as soon as Dan got eliminated and walked out, he went up to all the producers and asked him if he let them down. But really? That's the word. on the street. That's the tea. That's the T. That's the sleazy. I mean, I don't think he let me down as a viewer. I think it was entertaining. I just think that we

expected more. I think everyone did. Yeah, we expected more. Yeah. You know, too soft too soon. And with all that being said, Dan, you're more than welcome to come on the show and rebutt all anything that we're talking about. But I had to say what I had to say because you were going down based on your decision not to be as vocal, not to help the faithful.

Do you remember when you made a couple of crucial mistakes? Remember like middle school when like a girl wanted attention from you and she'd be like, I got something to tell you. Yeah. But I can't tell you right now. And you're like, that's what Dan was doing with like grownups. Again, grow up. Like what?

Like I, if someone said that to me, I'd be like, all right, loser. Weirdo. I think I give a to know. I really, really don't. I really, really don't. When he's like, I'm definitely focusing on one person who I've been watching the whole time and I'm going to let you guys know. Yeah.

How about in the traitors? In the traders meeting. Yeah, I'm asleep on it. Yeah. He wouldn't even tell the traitors. Like, he played, he tried to play zero game in that. It was so far to one way that. It was so obvious.

It was oblivious. He was pathetic. Yeah. It was pathetic. And I'm saying that. It was very Swift-esque. Yeah. And I'm saying that very, Taylor Swift?

Brandon Swift. Brandon Swift. I had no idea what's really going. It was like, almost like we had an ASOF on. Oh, man. He was this mastermind, but he got played. After everything I said, that might have been the worstest. They would.

They would play. the game like he's a saw he was delusional he kept saying well i'm ready to make a big move and i took a game like traders how about no one asked you to be on any other shows like like like like like like like like like like like to a game like traitors i can say that too like oh yeah i've been retired because my kids no they're not asking me you know like not really in demand yeah well that hasn't been the case before the zag nickles podcast uh yeah well i mean you know you don't know what they're calling me saying i might not i just don't bring you everything you now they're going to get mad to me

okay we'll keep going look so they go through this mission which is the funeral they walk they find clues was anything fun or interesting about this whole situation or no I mean the shock factor was great yeah how about all those people are 50 Kevin looks great for 50

and Fadra she looks really hot for 50 um what else I don't even listen the only thing I know is like why does Bergey always look like he sharded and he needs to find the nearest restroom. Doesn't he always look like he doesn't know whether there's shit in his pants or not?

His face is like beat red. Like the lights. He's like, oh, dude, there's shit in my pants. I hope no one smells it. I got to find a bathroom. He really does look like he doesn't want to get caught. He literally says he sharded 24-7. He's had some confidence in the last couple episodes.

Love it. I love it. Yeah. I'll talk about Bergey for a little bit, man. I can't. I really haven't. I mean, besides him going along with Pete, He's really, I mean, he is Pete's sidekick.

He is. Yeah, he is. He's Pete's Roll Dog. Yeah. How about how happy he was when he walked in with the shield? Like, he guys, they tried to kill me, man. I got the shield. He still looked like he needed a wet nap.

Seriously, dude. Oh, my gosh. All right. Let's get back on track. Okay. So in my opinion, like I said, in retrospect, I think Dan would have been able to stay much longer had he used his influence to say Pravardi, using the cup as obvious evidence. and giving the house some traitor blood that they've been yearning for,

and he'd act like he'd helping the faithful. Crucial mistake. We talked about a little bit, but if you want to add any thoughts to that. I feel like in this game, you have to go against your instinct. So if your instinct tells you to work specifically with one person, maybe that's, you should do the opposite of that. Because maybe, like how Pete said that Dan's doing everything that I would do if I were a traitor. Yeah.

And I think, Dan, if you think that this is the right move, maybe do the opposite, right? And I think also where Fadra, what makes her such a great traitor is she has, first of all, an amazing poker face. Breakfast, she kills breakfast every morning. I would, I don't know if I think at breakfast, I would just be extravagant and out of control. Because then everyone would just be like, whatever, you know, like, you must have not taken it. But would you, though? I don't think I've ever seen you act that way on a show. I feel like that because everyone would expect me to have a poker face.

I'd have to just be like out of control. Yeah, that's the opposite way. That's what I'm thinking is the secret to it. I think with Fadra, what makes her so good is that she lets, we talked about this last week, but a couple weeks, she lets everyone else do the work. She hasn't made one move herself. So she's not emotionally attached to any of these moves. Do you think also?

Except the Tamara. She did kind of choose Tamara. But do you think also the more plastic surgery you've had, the better you're at this game? Because, like, if you can't make a reaction with your forehead, like, that's kind of like steroids and traitors. Like, you won, but you've had like 7,000 units of Botox in your forehead. I don't even know if that's a thing. I know Botox is a thing and I don't hate it anymore.

Jenna helped me to understand it. But like, I personally haven't had any. And I think my face tells you exactly what I'm thinking. Whereas sometimes and I've had people show me like, look, I'm trying to smile with my forehead. And they can't. So that's kind of like steroids and traders. Like if I were to do traders, I'd be like, ha, ha, he gets shots everywhere. Can't move my face at all.

Just numb. I hang on, head out. Oh, my gosh. Okay. All right. I'm going to allow the Fadra slander, but... It's not just... There's a lot of Botox in reality TV.

I think she's absolutely gorgeous. There's a lot of plastic... Dude, listen, I have no issues with it. I'm saying it helps you in the game. It does. I think if it helps you... I think it's a great thing. I don't dislike it.

On a real, real tip, whatever gives a woman confidence, I'm for. No. I'm not hating on it. I'm saying it's a... I would be at a disadvantage. No, we're allowed to clown it, but in general, in general,

I think that, you know, you're right. A lot of people get it meant to. For sure. Yeah, no, a lot of people get it written to. I don't know. I think I wouldn't recommend it for anyway. That's just me. Okay.

All right, we'll get back to it. So at that roundtable that day, Larsa gets defensive. Kevin doesn't agree. She thinks, MJ thinks it could be Kevin. A bunch of BS happening. They vote to banish Larsa. She's obviously a faithful. So, yeah, I, honestly, I could do without her.

Yeah, bittersweet. Here's to you, Mrs. Robinson. Does she still go by last night with the last name Pippin? I think she does. It's amazing. Scandalous. Do you think that she'll hyphenate when they get married? Larsa Pippin, Jordan?

No, she doesn't go straight to Jordan. Names Larsa. Larson. Jordan. L.J. LJ. No, I'm not signing a pre-nup. This is she, I guess she'll get her own sneaker, the Larsa one, Larsa two. Comes with a knee-bracing and...

That's hysterical. No, I'm serious. The Larsa 1, Larsa 2. Throwback Larsa. LRSA. Retro. The L.P.1. Okay.

The Mrs. Robinson, Larson special. They come back from the roundtable to have their traders meeting. And right away, Fager to Povardi, who said in there, hey, I think it could be one of the housewives. That's not cool. That's not cool. Parvara apologizes and Fajra accepts it immediately, which shows she made her point, but then she had some great. I can't get enough of Fager. She's the best.

But yeah. So. I feel you, dude. I can tell me. I can feel the, and I'm saying I can feel the love that you have. I just, I just feel.

It's warm on the couch, man. She's the type of person. She's the type of person, like, if I was in the game, she killed me and I'd call her, and I'd be like, that was fucked up.

When are we hanging out? Like, like right away. If she kills you? Yeah. Like, I'd be like, that was really messed up what you did.

What can I bring you? Do you think, do you think it's, What kind of champagne do you want tonight? Do you think it's the loneliness or do you think it's the horniness? For me? You know, I've satisfied one of those this weekend. That scene of the, from the officer, he's like,

damn, it's not the loneliness. I just got down watching the office. So that's where all these, probably all, where most of my jokes are coming from today. But anyways, like you're saying. Yeah, well, there's a lot of depth in this stuff. So if you're in that traders meeting, you don't, like, you don't want to be the first trader to go after another trader. You know what I'm saying?

No, you don't. And if you do, you got to, you got to let the, you got to plant the seed and let everyone else grow it. You know what I mean? That's why I thought the Pravardi thing was such a mistake by Dan. You had an opportunity to plant a small seed. Plant a small seed. But like, wasn't Parvardi? Like, you don't have to do anything else.

It'll grow on its own and they will naturally, and even now her name is out there. But it'll naturally grow from that. And that way you give them traitor blood. They're cool. That was my point. Right. No. So, I mean, that's a risk that he wasn't willing to take.

Yeah. But if you do that, though, and let's say it doesn't spread as fast as you want, and then it gets back to her that you started it, now you're in the same spot anyways. So, I mean, he was necessary. He's either way, he's home. So, yeah. He should have tried something else. Yep.

Shouldn't have bought the scratch off. What did you think of the choice to kill Tamara? It was Fager's choice. And then I think it was, Fager had to get some blood. on her hands. She had to take someone that was in her group, and I think that she was the one that people cared the least about. There's some of that. I think Sherey is the right choice because it's the one over Tamara? Yes, and I'll tell you why. I thought it could have gone either either way. Yeah, I thought it was Shiree, and I think like it's the only one person or team can win.

So unless Shiree is going to end up being a traitor, which she would have to take some convincing of either Pervardi or Dan, whoever it would be if she got to that point where they should nominate one. But even if that's your friend, they both can't win. Might as well take her out now. And no one is going to suspect it to you because that is your best friend. Everyone knows that. So you thought Sheree before Tamara. 100%. I see that.

I mean, I didn't even think about that. For Fajra. Yeah, I think Fajer wanted to go close, but not the closest. Yeah. You thought you find that to be a, you thought that wasn't her best move. If it was a game of teams and it is, it is a game of teams. But if it's a game of teams where you choose them or you're aligned in some way, that's friend or no friend. You both can't win.

Now, maybe Tamara was less controllable. control a bull for Fadra. Okay. That's a great point. So maybe it was Fadra kind of she can tell Sheree whatever she needs to, but maybe Tamara's kind of more

so like a free spirit. Because Tamara does kind of seem to vote for who she wants. She doesn't go with the group. That's true. And Sherey definitely goes with the group. Right. So maybe Fadra was like,

I got her wrapped around my finger. I love that. I think it was, I think she... That's the only thought that I have when I think, I see where you're coming from. She played it too emotional.

Friend or no friend. It's not a game where you guys can both win. So like, bro, send her home. And then the target is 100%. It was already off you. But like in this situation now, if she sent home Shiree over Tamara, then it would be like, wait. Way further.

Because that's her best friend. Well, I'm going to send away my best friend. Are you joking? I mean, but here's the thing. If someone says to me, I'd be like, yeah, if you're a traitor, you would do that. Like, this game is, it's all. This game is a mental. It's all contradictions.

Okay. We know the truth. But do you think Janelle has shown traitor characteristics to this point? because Kevin keeps calling her out. Yeah, I think that there's a certain way people may expect a trader to behave, and that's constantly being the one throwing a name out to deflect from you. And I think, I think Janelle could have towed the line a little bit more with that, but at the same time, that's not who she is.

And I think that she thought if she was, I think Janelle wanted to, she thought if I'm going to get taken out of this game, it's going to be by a traitor and not by the group. So she was, I don't think she realized how far going, like, always throwing, See, always throwing out a name and being wrong is the worst thing possible because it makes you look like a traitor. Yeah. So that's why I wouldn't always want to throw a name out all the time, but I would always want to be in the conversation. Yeah, there's a good balance, though. You have to have a good balance.

Yeah. And so I think while Dan's doing too little here, Janelle is too far here. Yeah. So if they kind of like, if she kind of like brought it more like she threw a name out and then was like, damn, I was wrong. Like I need to recalibrate like and I need to hear some other ideas. I think she'd still be there. For sure. And here's the other thing. She was very vocal. I mean, she sniffed Dan out right away. Mm-hmm.

And this guy, Kevin, he said something funny. He's like, I think she's, either she's a sloppy traitor. Which he was. Or a Foppy Faithful, excuse me, or a bet or a trader. And like, when he said it, when I watched it back, I'm like, bro, he's so right. She's very, very sloppy. Right. I mean, she said Kevin was stupid.

Yeah, yeah. Kevin just doesn't care. Yeah, no, he doesn't at all. All right. Now, they do this bird mission where some people have to stay inside. some people have to stay outside and then they have to like decide who goes outside um dan didn't fight to go to compete for a shield i think that was a big mistake because it's like if you don't feel like you need one bro you're obviously a traitor i mean i don't think he realizes how much people

have a finger on him yeah i think he's i think that's what's so crazy to me it's like every time he doesn't do something like that i'm sitting there thinking you are so stupid like you're trying to play it just so like you're not doing anything you have to do something right that was my thing with him where it's like, do more. You got to do more. You can't do nothing. And you've done nothing for either side. Yeah, you have no motive to be seen as a traitor or as a whatever.

Like, no, there's no, actually, whatever, but there's no motive for anyone to think you're faithful at all. He has not shown any single faithful strategy whatsoever. Yeah. He has never gone for a shield. And he's like, oh, I don't really, no, you should fight for it. Yeah. You should be saying, I really need one.

My name got set up. I want to fight. Exactly. There we go. I also think that Janelle. always going for that should have been a dead giveaway too. Yeah. Like,

that's true. She was always going for the safety. I mean, people didn't, I mean, I guess like from my perspective, watching her play big brother, it's like if she knew she was safe,

which when she knew she was safe, she didn't always go for the win. But when she needed the win, she always got the win. So I would look at it like she's definitely a faithful. But that's also because I've done my homework. Yeah. A lot of these people didn't do their homework.

Well, that's a great point. Her being authentically herself means that she's going to say a name every time, but when you look at it, you being authentically yourself isn't what you should have done. You should have suppressed a little bit of that. You know against what you think you should do in this game. It's a great point.

I shouldn't be giving away like the handbook on how to win this game. I mean, or you should and then go out and play it. Who knows? No, I can't do that. What have you thought of like these games slash missions so far, given like everyone's skill level? I think they're okay. I don't think these missions are necessarily supposed to always push them to their limit

because I don't think this is the cast for that. I don't think we want, like, let's be honest. that came down to a CT could win any physical challenge there. Yep. No one holds a flame to him. It's more about... I don't think. It's more about...

No, you're right. It's more about being revealing and showing intentions. But, like, you know, they're fun. They're fun. They maybe could be a little better, but I think they're great. So, all right, we'll move on. Peter, he devises the plan to say, hey, these three teams that were out in the open, we're not going to tell anyone who gets the shields.

And then when I go in, I'm going to tell three people that I suspect, Pavardi, Dan, and CT. What do you think of that move? And what do you think of Peter's game so far? Up until this point, like, I think Peter's been kind of getting up to speed. But I think that when he sees who's going for the shields, I think this is actually one of the most brilliant ideas we've seen in a long, ever in a long time. Yeah.

You know, it's really smart. You just have to trust that the people that you're telling, you have to trust that they're not going to say anything. Because if they leak that around, then, anybody, right? It gets around to the whole house. Like, then, you know. Then they know you don't have it. Well, then you also, like, like, let's say C.T tells five people. Now, you know, eight people know. And you don't know which one it was, but because they all didn't say anything. But what the other great thing about this for Pete is, is if it does work, he could instantly tell the morning, the next morning,

because if he, like, CT, for example, was like, well, yeah, you told me. And then you see Dan was like, oh, yeah, well, you told me, too. Boom, guilty. Guilty. Like, CT was like, it was easy for him to be a faithful there because he actually was a faithful, and that's how a faithful would react. And instead of Dan going with how he should,

like, I shouldn't say anything, I shouldn't say anything, you should say something like, yeah, you told me, because if you offer it up, you don't care. Beautiful move by CT, whether it was because it was just knee-jerk reaction or he would knew. But then when Dan was like, oh, yeah, well, you told me, I was like, ugh. Yeah.

Povardi, too. Not the best look. Not like smart gameplay, which that's why I'm so shook that everyone thinks that he's so good. I just didn't see it this season. I really didn't. I didn't see it at all. And like, that's the thing, though, is like if Dan, so if that was me and I did that and I knew that P had set me up, the first thing I'd do is be like, damn, Pete, like that's crazy.

Yeah, boom, throw it out there. I'm like, oh shit. Attack it. Yeah. Yeah. Attack it. Go forward because at that point, that shows that you have less to lose. Yeah.

And it shows that you're smarter enough. to understand what he's doing. It's like, if you're going to call me out and then like do it behind the shadows, let's talk about it now. Let's have a pre-round tape. But I also think it was a little bit suspect too for the traders to throw, to try to kill Berge. Yeah.

What if you put it on, what if you put it back on Pete? Be like, of course you knew he wasn't going to go in. You're the traitor, brother. That would have been a good move. Exactly. But here's my thing. I think if I would have killed someone who, if I'm in that position, I would have tried to kill someone who wasn't, didn't have a chance to get his shield.

Yeah. Yeah. Kill someone inside. And that was Provardi's suggestion. Right. Because when they, okay, so as soon as what's his tits, the host. Yeah, Alan. Yeah.

It was Alan. Which, by the way, like, I don't. Do they do his hair first or they put the hat on then the hair? Because it all works together. I don't understand. But anyways, I think he bigs out as his outfit for his sex convention and then he just shows up in the chair. Do you think he chooses which strands of hair are going to come out of the hat?

Or do you think a stylist does? Because there was almost the perfect. portion of them. Would you be afraid if a guy like that walked up to you in the bar and wanted to fight? No, I'd be more afraid if he walked up to me and wanted to... Anyways, he's not like super intimidating sitting at the top of the hell with his dog under a blanket, but anyways, I forgot where I was even talking about because that one, that threw me way off.

I keep thinking about that tuft of hair folded out over his blue painter's hat. So, Alan, what's his tits? I forgot where I was even talking. You got a little sidetrack. All right. I'm usually the side track. In that trader meeting, Provardi suggests, bro, why do we go for someone with the show? Right.

And then Dan suggests. Incess, yes, that berg. When Dan was, or when the, what is Alan? When Alan was like, do the people with the shield want to admit it? As soon as they said, no, we don't want to say it, I'm not trusting a single person in that group and I'm killing Kevin. No, I'm killing John. Yeah. John should have been dead weeks ago.

He should have. Because he's useless. Him? He's so useless, they let him do the useless part of the challenge and then cheer for him. The catapult boy. Let's call a spade a spade. When you do a physically intense challenge like that and you get to the top of the hill and they're like, okay, blow the candle out, like or something like that, they never tell the guy that did all the work to do the easy job. They're like, okay, they felt bad for him because he probably wasn't contributing.

So like, here, John. Let's have John do it. Yeah, it was like Make a Wish Foundation, dude. That's a loser. What a scrub. Yeah, total scrub. Okay. Clearly, Bergey was a dumb choice.

I know who I would have killed, but who would have you have killed? John. John, right? Yeah. All right. I like that. I think for me, it wouldn't be either Sandra or CT. I think that...

Well, yeah, if you kill CT, then Janelle's called him out. And who else is called CT out? Mm-hmm. Well, Janelle. And, well, Larsa before. Larsa before. There's no... Like, so if CT gets killed...

Yeah. To me... Damn. It makes it go... You know who it looks bad on is Fadro. Yeah, it does. Because that's her role dog. Yeah, it does.

And it might be one or the other. It might make her look like more safe because it's like, hey, why would Fager kill him? But it also could be like, oh, he knows too much type of thing. So there's a lot of going on here. But just, I mean, this is a difficult game to play. Very hard. Very hard. And honestly, like, I'm glad you said that.

Easier said than done. We're over here on the couch talking about it. But John is being obvious. And hopefully if we have someone from the show come on here, maybe they'll tell you, no, it wasn't that option. Well, the only reason why I say John is because I haven't really had any, seen any game talk from him really. Yeah. He kind of just like floats around.

So it's like trimming the fat. Yeah, trim that fat. Yeah. What's the weirdest animal you ever milked? Do I count? The correct answer is goat. Goat media, baby. You know where we at.

Okay. So they go into that last round table and they get Dan out. He makes his. extravagant move to try to expose Fadra and say that, oh, I've been watching Fadro since day one. Bro, no one believes you. You did not have to put her name out there for no reason. And she made you look silly.

And everyone came to her defense right away. She's like, she's literally done nothing suspicious this entire time, which is a little suspicious. But he tries to like outsmart everyone by being like, okay, first, everybody raised their hand if you've, if your name is not. It was as, I think he was already going. And I think he went for the Hail Mary, which made him look worse.

whereas he should have maybe played it off like I haven't been instead of people letting them get away with being like the best big brother player ever which I still don't think is true I don't but I think that what he could have done has been like it's been too I haven't been on TV since 2012

I am I this this speed of this game is way too fast for me I have no idea what's going on I personally am as faithful as they get and the only other person that I could think of that could be at this point is anyone else other than... Kevin would be a good person to throw in

because... Or John, be like, you could even throw John there and be like, why wouldn't he be the best traitor? He's the oldest guy. He can get away with everything. I would have gone for a Hail Mary there in hopes that it saved me and that I could still work with Pedro.

Yeah, he needed traitor blood. That's why I think that not going for Provardi was the biggest mistake. Right. That was the big. mistake but I would just have a hard I personally wouldn't go for another trader unless the only way to go for another trader is how Surrey did it wait for all the votes to go to that trader and then pile on because it's like at that point if I don't now you have like you

have to understand that if I don't pile you're going home anyways and if I don't pile on to put the target on my back you got to understand that yeah that's the only way in my opinion that I would ever go for another trade I'm so critical of of him and his game just because, like, dude, you lost. Like, if you would have, if you would have, like you said, call Pete out for his call out right away, turn the tables on him, brother, of course, of course you knew that he was going to come back with a,

you set that up. Yeah. You gave him the shield and then you voted him in. So that way no one would ever think you're, you're the traitor. Right. And then here we go. You know what I mean?

Then you get it. All it is is plan the seed. Just the same thing we've been seeing Trichel do all season long is Trishel is always planning to see like, oh, someone offered me a drink. I can't remember who. Boom, not her. You know what I'm saying?

She either plans to see for someone else without actually saying that or she just does it to reflect away from herself. She's playing a great game. I don't think anyone's giving her enough credit because, you know, she's had a little shaky past the last couple shows she's done. But, I mean, she's doing really well. For sure. No, I agree.

So we go back to the traders meeting. No more, Dan. It's just Fadra and Pervardi. They have to make a choice. Who would you have selected to be your trader as a game? Oh, yeah, sorry. Who would you have selected? to be your partner as a trader.

If I'm in their shoes, who am I? Am I, Povardi? That's a great question. Let's start with Pavarty. Let's start with Povardi. If I'm Povarty, I'm going to be honest with you. Like, the obvious choice is Pete. But at the same time, so many other people want you gone.

But he's going to leave the charge against you. So I think you either have to, wait, so were they, they choose him, but we don't know if they kill anyone that night. Right. He has to accept. I don't think he can, I think he can not accept and stay a faithful, right?

So I don't know if, is there anyone that Povardi could choose? Because like, here's the thing I would want to do is maybe choose someone else and then have Fager promise you to kill him. I don't know because I think that he did such a good job exposing her and Dan that I think that she feels like that's her only option.

But now I'm in my head. I'm like, well, maybe since that's what I think is right, maybe it's wrong. but I'm trying to put someone else in that position. So the only one that made a little more sense to me was CT because I think he can control. Well, and he's already been a target as a trader. So I think that that would help put a shield in front of her as well. That's a good idea.

Exactly. He can do two things. He can control Pete possibly. And number two, if people do get on him, it's like, oh, well, you know, yeah, he was a traitor this whole time. No one ever knows he just got picked up. Let's see. Yeah, that's a tough point because I think. C.T. would have to take it because

you'd be afraid they'd kill you. And he could help control Pete a little bit. But that means that... You could see him be like, no, I'm available, man. Yeah, just... I'll always be available. Yeah. I don't know. I think she feels like that's her only option is Pete. Look, I haven't asked you for any help on the Z&P guest getting side, but I think I might have to have you call CT. Dude, I respect him too much.

Just kidding. I don't know. One day, if he... One day, one day, he's, you're going to talk to him. Just say, like hey man slide in yeah i would love to have ct eventually we'll see um so yeah so that would be one and i think yeah i mean it's gonna be it's gonna be tough triselle is on to fadra a little bit okay if you're fadra who do you pick i think if you're fadra you let pavardi pick yeah because i think that you're doing so good right now like staying out of the everyone's radar that you just continue to let everyone else make the decision brilliant and ct would be obvious choice for pavardi to pick but like you know i'm sorry for fager to

pick so like maybe that's not the best option well yeah no I mean I don't even know I might have picked burghie I mean there's there's who knows that there's I think there's no wrong answer for fager really yeah because anyone coming becoming a traitor isn't isn't really gonna affect her you know what I say if anything it's going to put a target on them so I don't think there's a wrong answer for fager I just think that Pabardi's got to make some serious moves and maybe getting Pete off I think getting Pete might be her best choice because it gets at least one vote away from her. Because no one,

the only reason why I remember, he was the only one that voted for her because everyone else was going to vote for Dan. Yeah. So Pete, you're saying, yeah. Yeah. So maybe that one vote if Pete doesn't do it again or if he doesn't leave the charge again,

now she'd have to ask him a solid though, you know? Yeah. So. Well, is Pete willing to take the target off her back? That's going to be my next question. Does Pete accept the invitation?

I think he has to because if he doesn't accept, he knows he's dead anyways. See, he has to too, but he might think he's a little shady or smart by saying, okay, well, this confirms it's Pavarty for sure. So let me just take her out and then

maybe all this. This is the only way that he advances in the game because he's dying regardless. That's a good point. Povardi's coming for him regardless, so, and Fager's going to let her do it because it's again, everyone knows the beefs between them too. And then again, she looks like she's still just a faithful. Let me ask

you something. I thought of this during the game, but I just didn't know. You watched season one. I haven't. Yeah. So if they thought, see, like, I thought they put out the rumor that Janelle and he had the shield. But if you have the shield, can you still get banished? Curious.

So if you win the shield, you're, they, I don't think. You just can only not get killed. I think you just can't get killed. That's crazy. If someone won the shield and still got banished, like, they didn't bring that up at all. And I thought it was so peculiar because, because he had said, he had said, okay, we told C.T. Parvardi and Dan that, whoever,

ever had the shield, you know, like I have the shield with Janelle. And then they kick out Janelle, but she's, she dies. So I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, I think I'm going to figure something out. But no one, no one brought that up. I'm curious as to why that's not a topic of conversation. That's a good question. We're always thinking out here, guys. Now I'm all confused too.

This game is, you know what I mean, though? Am I making sense? Yeah. I'm just one, like, so wait, so they. So Pete told CT and he told. Well, they didn't do it. So they didn't do this. So I think the shield was only good for that night.

So, but they want, that's the week, that's the day that they won the challenge. Then they went back to the house. And then they went back to the house and they went to the roundtable and Janelle gets killed. Yeah. So like if she had the shield, I don't know, maybe the shield does protect you from me. I don't know. I don't know. Because like, maybe if you get banished and you're in that and you have the shield, you're like, hey, I got the shield.

But no, everyone knows you have the shield. But no one knew they had it though. Right. You know what I mean? Well, they thought they knew who had it. Yeah. So that should reveal Pete as a liar. or the house.

If that was the rule, we don't know the rule on that. Yeah. I got to clarify that, guys. I can't remember an instance. Yeah, Peacock got to clarify that. Because there's a lot, there's a lot that that would reveal.

And I'm watching it thinking like, okay, cool. She's going to say, she's going to say, I'm a faithful and I don't have a shield so I'm dead. And then everyone's going to be like, oh, you were lying.

Well, the people, the traders are going to know they were lying. I don't know. There's just a lot that could have happened. And I was just, I wanted to know. So if you don't know, then I'll call Peacock

and I'll see what they got to say about it. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I think that what you're saying makes sense. I just think we would have to know what would happen. I don't think we've ever seen someone get banished that has the shield so we don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's a good point. We'll find out. Anything else you want to talk about before we wrap up this traitors review? I don't know, man. I don't know either, man. Busy week. Very busy week coming up. Busy time of year.

We got a monster guest coming on the Zach Nichols podcast. challenge review this week and we got the live show next week we got like bunder's about to do it and we want to play golf to play golf on saturday it's supposed to be nice this week yeah so in the 40s yeah yeah dude how's uh how are the kid sleeping i mean they're sleeping yeah they're sleeping i mean anthony i mean anthony seems to the night there you go anthony yeah beans not so much yeah she's wake you know two or three times a night still she'll get screaming she'll get there pissed pissed at the world she's got it good though he's where She lives life.

She doesn't know she has a good idea. She'll find out. All right, y'all. Thank you for listening. We're out of here. Enjoy traders. I want to know what you guys think. Get in the comments.

Talk to us who you think is in the lead. Talk to us about, like, give us some stuff to work with. We want to talk to you about traders. Challenge, you know, we do our own thing, but we can use your input on traders. Yeah. It's a tough game.

It is a tough game. It's hard. It's hard. And let us know if you want to see this guy on it. All right. We'll see it.