THEMOVE - A Fatal Blow in the Battle for Green? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 17 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka “The Professor”) break down Jonathan Milan's sprint victory—his second stage win of the 2025 Tour de France—which further solidifies his lead in the Points Classification. They discuss how Milan’s Lidl–Trek team expertly controlled the stage, thanks in large part to the strength of Quinn Simmons, and how they navigated the dangers of a high-speed bunch sprint in the rain. The crew also welcomes Michael White from The White Line to talk about the legislation the organization is currently working on to make roads safer for cyclists across the country. Before signing off, they preview tomorrow’s brutal Queen Stage in the mountains and take a few listener questions. Roka: THEMOVE listeners get 20% off. Just go to https://ROKA.com and enter code THEMOVE at checkout. LMNT: Get your free 8-count Sample Pack with any LMNT purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/themove Be sure to try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water. The Feed: You heard it first on THEMOVE. A better morning for only $3.99 and our listeners save 20% today. No code needed, the discount is automatic. Go to https://thefeed.com Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove JOIN: Your #1 cycling training app. You can now test JOIN 30 days for FREE! Download JOIN today and improve your ride. https://Join.cc/themove Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

Does Poguchar need to win all these mountain stages in order for that math to play out? Or does he just need to get a lot of points? He would he would. He would need to win both mountain stages, assuming he does not take intermediate points, which that would be a little aggressive. And when we after the after the break, we'll go through the break down with the profile and see where the actual sprint is and what are the chances of him actually being up there going for them? How bad do you think he wants the screen? I can't imagine. I mean, I think he wants

all three. But thinking about you guys, you would not even consider being of course. We're never even in a position. Just on Bernadino, he won twice on the Champs-Elysees in yellow, 79 and 1982. Wow. 1979 and 1982. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Wow. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Move podcast, brought to you each and every day by Keek Don't IQ.

I'm joined right here to my left by Sir Bradley Wiggins. Got a lot of spottings around town, sightings around town of you're just chilling in the short shorts. Yeah. It's a big hit. It's a big hit. By the way, we are in As shorts. Yeah. It's a big hit. It's a big, by the way, we are in Aspen Colorado. It's a small town. So I get. And we get people that watch you walking by

and watch other people's reaction. They watch you walk by, they go, who the hell is that? Like in awe of your stature. Short shorts. Tats, yoked, short shorts. Retro Jordans. Aspen will never be the same.

Yeah, dog. Also, George Hincapie. Mr. George Hincapie over there. I gotta say something about George, because we started earlier in the tour talking about Love Island. Man, my man watches Love Island incessantly, it was all breaking news, I didn't know this 20 years later,

more than 20 years, was in the running to go on The Bachelor, right in the middle of a seven year run of winning tours, the guy was like, how is that gonna work out? Johan would have been thrilled. Johan would have loved that, Johan would have loved that. Johan, the guy that wouldn't let you take a computer or a phone to Tour de France.

He would not have been pleased. George is a little behind on his fitness. He has been on set of The Bachelor each and every day. You stayed pretty fit during Stars on Mars, though. You know, like I said earlier, and you brought that up earlier, I said I haven't barely recovered from that. So that's not nice to bring that back up again. But what I was gonna say about Love Island is now I'm stuck at home with my almost 15

year old daughter, who she has it on. Like I can't even walk through the living room anymore. It is all Love Island. It's unbelievable. Also the professor, Spencer Martin right over there. Wait, where were we? Stage 17, Jonathan Millon, extending his lead in the green jersey.

But before we talk about that, Alan, we got a two parter forain today. Obviously, each and every day, Alain tells us where we start and finish. We also have a second clip of Alain clarifying the pronunciation of yesterday's stage winner. So Alain, where'd we go today? Stage 17. Stage 17 from Bolin to Valence. From Bolin to Valence. And then of course yesterday on Mont Ventoux, what a ride. All 114 pounds of him. That still blows me away. As we would say it, I don't know, Valentine, As we would say it, I don't know, Valentin, Porey Pantreau, something, but Alan, thank you for sending this in.

How do we say it? It's Valentin, Pare, Pintre. Valentin, Pare, Pintre. We messed that one up. Yeah, we screwed that up here at the move. Le move. Porey Pantre. Nasty, nasty finish in the rain. I didn't watch a whole lot of the race, I'd be honest

with you, but weather seemed to be good and then the rain rolled in and as soon as that happened it got my attention. I'm like, this is not good. And sure enough, it had an impact on the finish and made Jonathan Milan's job a lot easier. Yeah, it was a sketchy finish. A lot of slippery, a lot of. Yeah. Yeah. It was a sketchy finish. Sketchy. A lot of slippery. A lot of roundabouts. I'm surprised there wasn't more crashes actually. I agree. And then the crash happened where we least expected it. I think with K2GO, was it right at the banner there? And at first I thought it might have been the barriers and the way

the barriers came in at the K2GO that caused it. But from the overhead shot we saw the FTAJ rider was quacking with the coffee disc guy with it and how in between and they went down but the luckiest man today I thought was Tim Merlier just a oh if you want to replay that crash I mean it was insane his bike handling skills are incredible not just not to over break not to panic and just avoid the guys bikes flying right into him just super impressive. But to go back for 25K to go, 30K to go, when it starts raining and the directors are yelling

in these guys' ears, like it's raining at the finish, the stress that brings on the peloton, almost three weeks into the Tour de France, where you may have not had crashed yet, you're like, oh man, I gotta try to get a result here, and there's a good chance, probably 50-50, I'm gonna crash. And that's what's going on. Also, you get half the peloton straight away, switch off and go, right, I'm done.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's right. I remember in our day when it would start to rain, I mean, I think we would even preempt that. I mean, immediately our question was, is it raining at the finish? Yeah. I mean, it sucks when it rains any time,

but you don't wanna come into a... And back in that day, it was 1K. So if you only had 1K before the finish line that you were safe in terms of crashing. Now it's 5K, which is a lot better rule. It brings up an interesting point because imagine back in the day if it was 1K because this crash happened right there.

Guys, I think we're still sliding through the 1K banner. I'd have to go back and watch it. We've actually had that. I was still sliding. I get same time. I was sliding. I don't know if you remember, and Spencer probably can look it up,

there was one year we crashed hard. We came into the narrow section barricades that were, and you got stuck behind the crash. I was on the floor, and all of a sudden we look up, we're right underneath the 1K banner. So we're like, we're good, we don't have to worry. We don't have to rush to the finish line.

We're not gonna lose any time. And now they have this rule, if there's no crash, you have to be more than three seconds behind for there to be a time split. So three seconds at 40 miles an hour, that's like 50 meters probably. I didn't know about that rule. Yeah, so GC riders could actually ride pretty far back yeah and be pretty safe without the risk of a

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for the Prince of Darkness to pass. I will never forget, I went, me and my buddy John Boggan, we're in Plano, we drove over to Fort Worth in 1987 to see Ozzy. And it was an amazing night. And the opening act that night, 1987 for Ozzy, was a small up and coming band, Metallica. Think about that show.

1987, Ozzy, may you rest in peace. Loved it. You said he just played 10 days ago, right? He played a show July the 5th in his hometown of Birmingham. He definitely was, you know, he had to sit, look tired. Nonetheless, played in front of tens of thousands of people. And Liz, before we got on here, asked, I think Liz assumes I've met everybody in the world, which I've met a lot of them, not everybody.

Ozzy is one person I never got to meet. But I have been asked many years or many times over the years of my other show, The Forward, if there's anybody you could have on the show, like who's a top three guest? Ozzy Osbourne was always a top three guest. This guy was nuts, but he also reinvented himself a dozen times. And anyhow, sad to see. Take care of yourselves, folks. On that note, let's talk about a bike race. I grew up a metal kid.

I love metal. I still love metal. I grew up a metal kid. I love metal. I still love metal. I'm going to keep going. Yeah. I think you don't. No. I mean, like I listen to Sirius Ray XM and I have the presets. Like a lot of people have presets on the radio.

Ozzy's Boneyard is one of my presets. I go The Spectrum, Classic Vinyl, Classic Rewind, Chris Stapleton Radio, and Ozzy's Boneyard. And The Bridge. I mean, how's that for an eclectic mix? That's perfect. I mean, who jumps between The Bridge, right, we're talking about James Taylor,

Hall & Oates, no Latino music in that? Zero, zero Latino music, and then one click over is Ozzy's Boneyard. We're going Pantera, we're going Metallica, we're going Ozzy, you know, Megadeth, we're going, you name it. I'm a well-rounded. What's on your playlist, Bradley? Bit of everything.

Yeah, bit of everything. Any Latin music? No, no. Because with those short shorts, you're going around town. Hey, I have video of him dancing in town Cool, and you probably have it somewhere. So Jonathan milan wins the stage. Yeah, spencer's like I need to finally, uh, you know, I can finally I got something against uh, Encyclopedia like you said there's no way they can control a break I think they did a phenomenal job in letting for really strong guys go But not panicking keeping them within two minutes. Quinn Simmons, MVP

of today's stage. What an incredible ride. Bradley, I don't know if you agree with me, but I was in shock of how strong he was today. It's his job, isn't it? You know, it's like praising the mailman three weeks into the Tour de France. It's like praising the mailman for delivering your mail. It's Tadej's job to win Flanders the tour. it's not, you don't have to praise him for it. He's just doing his job.

Look, it's his job, but not only is he controlling the breakaway, he's going after the breakaway, the counter attacks. He's attacking himself and then he's going back on the front and pulling. I was extremely impressed with his job. I think the team, it showed when the team came across the line with him today, just how much they valued his efforts. Exactly. Because they did a really good job. They let a group go, locked it down. They all blocked the road. The road was small enough that they could do it. And then it got dicey. Garrett Thomas, your friend, was winding it up on the climb. Jonathan

Milan dropped mid-stage and then Quinn has to like weld it back together after that. Then he's holding it together in the finish when Wout Van Aert's off the front. So I thought it was pretty impressive for me. Super impressive. It must be getting tired. Like it's- It doesn't look like it to me.

That's right, but I agree with Bradley, like, okay, right, of course, that's your job. But he's been at the front of the bike race more than pretty much anybody. I mean, if they, at the end of the bike race more than pretty much anybody. I mean, if they at the end of the tour, they will reward somebody with most aggressive rider or hard to argue against him, but he's human, right? So he's seemingly not getting tired, which is pretty, that's beast. According to Johan, that was his specific job to come to the tour to do.

That was the whole part of him coming to the tour was on the agreeance that he does that job. Yeah. Which is why when he was in the break two weeks ago now, was it two weeks? Best part. They weren't best pleased with him apparently. Because they, well, and we should say, so that was super important work. They probably were worried about it because they knew they would need him for this.

Yeah. Milan gets 11 points at the intermediate sprint because I believe he was fifth and then 50 points at the finish. He now is a lead. We have a listener, a mathematician that sent me a model. So we can model out the green jersey battle. That shows you how, I mean, that's how big time we are. Yeah. I mean, we're just chatting live with mathematicians. And basically, assuming I think it's going to be hard

for Milan to score points from here on in, maybe until Paris, but if it really comes down to like, if Pogacar wins these mountain stages and wins in Paris, he wins green. If he doesn't, he doesn't win green. So it was a big day for Little Trek. And we were trying to find the last person to win the green jersey at the points jersey,

the Chiclamino at the Giro, and the green jersey at the Tour. In the same year. at the Giro and the green jersey at the tour. In the same year. In the same year because a lot like Mark Cavendish won it in adjacent years, same with Peter Sagan. We could not find a single person that's done this so it would be super impressive. It would be history. History making. And that's the way I see it. You know, Pogacar didn't go all in for winning in Mountain Ventoux. He didn't go all in for winning in Hatakam. I think he's going to go all in for winning in mountain Ventoux. He didn't go all in for winning in Hautecombe. I think he's going to go all in for winning Paris,

in my opinion. And then I think there's going to be a chance of a breakaway in the next three days. Who's the last yellow jersey? You like that, right? Libertas? Think about how iconic that would be. Ino?

Maybe, I don't know. I think it was Ino. I'll like on the sprint on the Champs-Elysées. He broke away. That's pretty bad. I mean, it's pretty cool. I mean, I think you can say that word. OK.

We have to check with our friends over there. But I think we can say any word. I think we're just really being professional and mature. And we're being ourselves. I don't know about that. We're being 90% of ourselves. You should have seen the pre-show. You should have seen the real me.

Because I was fired up about something that I'm thinking about talking about. And I'm looking at my North Star, so Bradley, and he's, we're gonna have a talk. I'm just, yeah. And George over here is like, nah. Nah. I don't know if we should talk about that.

Do I talk like that? Maybe you say that for the Tour de France fam of ex-Zwev. Is it exactly what you said? Not the way that sounded. Can I say, back to the mathematician who you're chatting with over there, based on his math, we were talking about him before the show too, does Pogachar, that's a whole nother discussion,

does Pogachar need to win all these mountain stages in order for that math to play out? Or does he just need to get a lot of points? He would need to win both mountain stages, assuming he does not take intermediate points. Which that would be a little aggressive. After the break we'll go through the break down with the profile and see where the actual sprint is and what are the chances of him actually being up there going for them?

How bad do you think he wants the screen? I can't imagine. I mean, I think he wants all three. But thinking about you guys, you would not even consider being of course, not that we're never even in a position. Twice on the Champs- Elysees in yellow 79 and 1982 Wow Wow So and by the way to this

You know Jonathan Milan missed the crash today, but these crashes coming He was you know a couple bike links. This changes the whole equation in conversation. He's out of green. Tim Merlier is on the ground. Not on the ground, but certainly misses out on the bunch sprint. You're just that close every day to. Every day, and what's interesting about it,

Little Trek is one of the most dominant teams this year. They control the whole race today, but both times Jonathan Milan's won the stage of the Tour de France, he's by himself in the last 2K. bumping and grinding, doing his own thing. Super impressive that he's able to pull those wins off. We're going to go to a little break here for Peacock right quick. But when we come back, our friend Michael White from the White line will be with us

to talk about, we had him on the show last year, obviously the terrible tragic death of his son Magnus, but a lot of updates there, a lot of potential legislation. Folks, this should matter to each and every one of you who rides a bike, listening to or watching this show, because you're out there, you're out there every day, whether you know it or not, risking your life, right? You're interacting with cars, we're gonna hear from Michael and I'm looking forward to that,

right after the break, two and 32. All right, everybody, welcome back to the move. As I said, right before the break, we are joined by Michael White. Michael, I think you're here on Zoom with us. Yes, I am. There he is. Hey, how are ya?

All right, all right. Challenging year. Challenging year. It was so moving having you on the show last year. I think for me, just as the host of the show, we get so many questions about American talent, up and coming talent. Obviously, Magnus was was on that list. And just as a reminder for for the listener,

Magnus killed outside of Boulder on a train ride, which just as a parent, unspeakable, unimaginable. I guess the updates are you guys had the trial took place. You can give us a snippet on that. But I think moving forward, you've just been in kudos to you and your wife and everybody around you for being so active in Magnus' honor and making sure that... And as I said, going into the break, I think it's safe to say that most people listening to this show ride their bikes, they ride them outside, they interact with cars. I think we all know that it can be dangerous.

But we can do more, right? We can do more to help protect cyclists, not just in Colorado, but all over the United States. And so just to maybe bring us up to speed on what you're working on, and certainly how we as a show and we as an audience can help. Yeah, so we're actually coming up on the two-year mark, which is next week,

because he was hit on July 29th, 2023. It was his last ride before leaving for the World Championships and in mountain biking that went to Scotland that year. And I just said, yeah, we did go through the trial. That was the end of March. It was a week-long trial. They found the driver guilty of felony vehicular homicide,

and she was sentenced July June 13th to four years in prison. And, you know, what came out of that, obviously, last time I was on the show, we were promoting the ride for Magnus that we were doing. And that really kicked off a lot of our legislative efforts. We had Representative Joe Nagoose from Colorado come speak, and he pledged to bring a bill about automatic emergency braking and he did and he introduced it at the end of last year and reintroduced it in May this year. And for those of you that aren't

familiar with it, it's named the Magnus White Cyclist Safety Act. It's House Bill number 3649. And so is that a state bill or a federal bill? This is a federal bill. Great. We were just in DC all last week meeting with representatives and congressmen to get their support behind the bill and what the bill does is it requires automatic emergency braking and all new vehicles to detect pedestrians, cyclists, motorcyclists, and scooter riders like Lyme scooters. There's a current National Highway Transportation Bill, it's a, not bill, but ruling that requires new cars to protect pedestrians, but that's not a law, that's just a ruling. This would be a law

and it expands it to protect everybody outside the vehicle like that. And a law, that's just a ruling. This would be a law and it expands it to protect, protect everybody outside the vehicle like that. And you know, coming from what we learned in the case, you know, Magnus was hit from behind at 60 miles an hour and the driver passed out and that's why there was a criminal element. There's criminal reasons why she passed out. You know, this could have saved Magnus's life had she had it in her car.

And this technology exists. We know it exists in Europe and in Chinese vehicles. Yeah. I mean, that's, I did a hit with Malcolm Gladwell not long ago talking about this very thing about autonomous vehicles, self-driving vehicles. I mean, there is a future, right? Where none of us drive, right? Or certainly we might drive a little,

but we're helped a lot. But that's, so anything, I guess my hope here is that any acceleration of that is just, again, it's funny, I get asked all the time, do you ever get scared out riding on the roads? And I do. Like I spent most of my career being followed by a car, being protected, not really worrying about

what was coming behind me. But now when I go out, I'm just an old guy riding my bike and I get terrified. And I know that everybody watching or listening to the show has that same feeling a lot of times. Now it depends upon the road you're on, or you feel safe on a shoulder, or you're in a protected bike lane.

But this is, we don't need things, we certainly don't need our children being taken from us, our greatest hopes in the sport of cycling being taken from us. But just as participants and as lovers of the sport, we don't want to go out and worry about that. So this is this is God's work, man. I appreciate you doing it. Yeah, thank you. There's, you know, there's not enough bike lanes that can be built. That's right. And we know infrastructure is being cut left and right right now.

So, you know, this is one way that, you know, this problem has to be tackled many ways. This is one way. And then the average life cycle of a car is 10 to 13 years. So within 10 to 13 years, all these vehicles can have AEB systems in them. And then death rates and crash rates can go way down. And just a reminder for the folks listening, this happened basically in Boulder, Colorado. If you didn't know any

better, you'd say this is the cycling capital of America, for lack of a better, I mean, a couple other spots, but this didn't happen in some redneck town in the middle of nowhere. This is Boulder. So if it's happening there, it's happening everywhere. Tanner Iskra You know, with a huge shoulder too. So you would, if you're riding on that road, you'd think, oh, I'm on the shoulder, I'm fine. But it's happening everywhere. Yeah, with a huge shoulder too. So you would, if you're riding on that road, you'd think, oh, I'm on the shoulder, I'm fine. But it's like straight road as well. There was just an Ironman, you know,

a couple of weeks ago on the same road. So it's a very popular cycling route, designated bike route. Yeah. You know, I don't know if you've printed out, but I handed you a list and we went with the senators and congressmen last week, death of every cyclist. And what I said, you guys was in the Austin area, Lance. And so your representative, Mike McCall, we met with, we met with him as well.

And there were 454 fatalities of cyclists and pedestrians from 2001 to 2023, just nine mentions in the media. So no one really is aware of how big this problem is. Whereas, you know, Magnus, he's a big story and he's got, has so far to date over 6,000 news articles written about him and the work we've been doing in his name. And so if we can use Magnus we can use magic to change things, we can use them as a catalyst.

Beast. Yeah, let's do it. Well, give us a call to action. I mean, I wanna make sure folks are, you know, I mean, this is such a, you're learning the game fast. Oh yes. The game of dealing with politics and politicians and legislation and how it all works. But if there's anything, I mean, I think this kind of comes down to individual listeners

being made aware and just sort of either flooding the phone lines or just making sure that their representatives are aware that this matters to them. So if there's anything the Move listener can do, then then please let us know. We have lots of Democratic co sponsors on the bill. We have the companion bill that's going to be sponsored by Senator Hickenlooper and Senator Andy Kim out of New Jersey. But what they can do is we need the first Republican to get on. We met with a lot of Republicans out in D.C. and they're all supportive of it.

But D.C. is politics. And we got to play that game. And they have to play that game. So we really need the first Republican to get on. And then it'll be a truly bipartisan bill because it is life and death in a situation is not partisan. Yeah, and then go to the website to help support or to get information. Yeah, exactly.

You can learn about the bill there and go into details. It's not an incredibly long bill, it's only one page long. Is that the whiteline.org, Michael? Yes, yes, the whiteline.org. All right, folks, so that's it. So it's the whiteline.org. That's all you gotta know. And that'll kinda help you navigate.

George, you know all these Republicans. Yeah, George. George is from South Carolina. He knows all these. I'm from Texas, I should talk. Yeah. Michael, thank you so much. And as always, just so, it's a horrible story.

Horrible story, but again, you're doing great work and Magnus' honor and we will always support that. So thank you for coming on. Thanks for the, for just the incredible effort. You bet. Thank you guys. Thanks, brother. Yeah, thanks Michael. Bye bye. Yeah, that's just, I'm serious.

Like when I go ride in Austin, like y'all just go check out my Strava. Like, you see me. Like you gotta zoom in. I'm fine in sidewalks, back road alleyways, go early. Like it freaks me out. I get freaks, I do. I mean, you probably still ride with like a follow car

and like bottles of food and George out there training. No, no, no. Doing a four to twenties, you know, he's got the team behind him. I'm just an old man. I mean, I'm serious. I ride with a light on my, I'm, dude, that's why I love the mountain bike.

Yeah. No cars, like it just freaks me out. Speaking of mountain bike, George, being a strong army yesterday, to go ride with him again. And I said, yeah. You remember, you text me, I said yes. I said yes.

I was kind of shocked. I wasn't expecting it. He's like, wait, is this the right number? And we had a fun ride. We had a fun ride. So we're out there ripping around. And we come up, we're in Sky Mountain Park, which is just not far

from the studio, great single track out there. And I know they police this Sky Mountain Park for e-bikes. I did not know that until yesterday. And you see the park rangers out there a lot. So we come up at the top of Uline trail and there's this park ranger sitting right there. And I had a rule that if we're gonna go out, I ride in the front on the single track

so I can dictate the pace and not suffer too much. Just a little suffer. And we all know Lance is very unsociable, so I started a conversation with the park ranger. So we get up there and I say to Lea, I say, ma''am you need to check this this guy's I believe he's on an e-bike. I said to the park ranger and I'm not sure if she's figuring it out yet but she says you know we catch a lot of people up here on e-bikes.

And I said oh I know I've heard and she said well you guys were coming up really fast and I know I've heard and she said well you guys were coming up really fast and Yeah, I almost fooled me. She said I didn't know if it was a Max Tam or Lance Armstrong at this point. I'm like, oh boy. It's time for us to get going And uh, and of course George like well, this is Lance Armstrong I Didn't know I I don't know if she knew or not anyhow She says oh, that's funny. She said I ticketed two ladies last summer in Sky Mountain Park and

Their excuse their only excuse was that Lance Armstrong told me I could ride my e-bike up here That's what they said And I'm like, you know, that's pretty perfect for cycling. Yeah. Let's just blame it all on old lands. That's pretty clever. Like that's good excuse making in the moment. You get caught and you just like got to come up with some. They still got tickets though.

I remember a story, speaking of Boulder, and I don't know if this, you live there Spencer, but this is going back 20, 30 years ago, but if you went down to Boulder PD and you know, cause guys, people would back then ride with no phone, no ID and you, whatever you run or roll a stop sign or whatever, you get ticketed the amount of unpaid tickets in Boulder County for a certain Eddie Merck's was like astronomical. These guys get pulled over and be like,

I don't have my ID, my name's Eddie. I don't know if that's true. I heard that story a long time ago. A lot of them are yours, don't they Spence? You can actually roll stop signs now in Boulder. You don't have to stop. You can roll them here in the city of Aspen. It's nice.

I didn't know that. Yeah, so now all these cranky people, hey, you didn't stop. I said, yo, I'll have to stop. We gotta do that in South Carolina. Yeah. Just make sure there's not a car coming. South Carolina, they're still driving around

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Tomorrow. Tomorrow's stage. No, we were kicking it around before the show. Every grand tour has what they call the Queen stage. The wealth of the tap arena. The Giro, I don't know, whatever the hardest. This looks to be perhaps the Queen's stage. 5,400 meters of climbing, three HC climbs.

On the shorter side too, right? Look at that, 171K, that's, I mean, and we could go down and break. Well, that's not shorter because those climbs are long Well, you've got a hundred but total up the HC's you've got a hundred seventy one total kilometers of the stage 2140 you've got 66 kilometers of it going uphill It's pretty nasty and that's that's the hardest climb I've done in Europe. That cold little Alos, I did it last year. I don't know if Gabrielle's got pictures. Well, let's break down, let's look at Glandon first,

because it's not exactly, it's a stair stepper, but. Ooh. Ooh, yeah. So you get some relief at certain times. This is just a little warmup. And then you hit the second climb of the day, the Meadowland, there's no reprieve at all. Almost 20 kilometers long at 8%. And then to the climb you just referenced, George.

Did I ever do that? Because a lot of- You've done Corchavelle, but there's a new road the last six kilometers, or four to six kilometers is a new road that they just built a couple years ago and there's ramps of like 14 15 percent super wide open it is really and the altitude is very high yeah very high and now yeah but you go back to the profile because i'm pretty sure when i did it

last year yeah like the actual climb starts and it's like a 25k climb but before that you climb like 5k to get to the actual climb so it's insane. Officially the final climb is 26.4 kilometers which is a long way. Yeah. And there's like gradual 5k climbing before you get to that but go back because I also want to point out the other huge race that's going on is the green jersey race and if you see like it's not that far to say 23 kilometers into the stage. A guy like Jonathan Milan goes full gas to get this. He may not make the time cut.

So this is going to be interesting because the climbers are going to be going. Yeah, because he's one of the first guys getting dropped right now. So if he goes all out for that point sprint, which he might have to. I mean, he might not make the time cut. So it's going to it's going to be very interesting to see what happens. Now, if it's whole team waits for him and they kind of pace them throughout the day, he might not make the time cut. So it's gonna be very interesting to see what happens. Now if his whole team waits for him and they kind of pace him throughout the day, he'll make it, but it's gonna be very tough.

And if they enforce the time cut. And if they enforce the time cut. We finished at Courchevel in 2005. Yeah, Valverde won. Yep. But not all the way up. Not all the way up. Yeah.

And George, you remember when it was like Vindigard was gonna win, but the Moto stalled and Felix Gall won, and George you remember when it was like vingard was gonna win But the moto stalled and feel us call one and they finished in court They like descended into course of LL from Lowe's was the opposite side of this. I'm pretty sure is the opposite side. Okay Yeah, so this side you go up through the all the courts of L villages It's beautiful like cool town and then you get up the last six days like middle of nowhere steep ramps 15% I did it with our boy Poppy last year. That was very impressive.

Very impressive. By the way, two Courchevels is like the Aspen of France. That's where all the... I don't wanna go skiing there. I'm sure you do. Anybody has a place in Courchevel, hit me up. I'm America's favorite house guest. The man's being serious.

Part B and C to that. Part B, Jizzy's accepted. Please. And part C, go find me on my new bike too. Correct. I was thinking how nice it'd be just final stage Sunday, just walk across the street, get into Jizzy to go home. That'd be pretty nice.

I finally got the appeal of the private jet Envision that that would be nice. Are we still 15 teams without winning a stage? Yeah, cuz it little truck still 15 teams without winning stage tomorrow It's gonna be a madhouse again that breakaway, but a lot of these guys gonna go in it Lenny Martinez He's got to get in there to get the the K1 points K1 points Gonna be if you have fun stat to look up Lenny Martinez has got to get in there to get the K1 points. Going to be interesting. They have fun stats to look up because you can see you just look forward for the next few days through Paris.

I mean, you can kind of predict which of these certainly almost predict which riders will win, but you could certainly start to predict which teams will win. What's the record for amount of teams that did not win a stage in any tour to France? I mean 15 is gonna stay 13 14 15 so that that seems like that might be a high number if we've juiced it a little bit because there's an extra team This year they added an extra team to last second. So But still even if you discount that so and we we've gone the whole tour without a French team win, correct? Yeah.

So, Frontier des Jeux, Decathlon, Kofidis, Total Energies, Arkea. So five teams without a win is very important. Who was the team they added on? Was it? Would it have been? Do we know? Maybe Tudor. It was Tudor.

It was Tudor. And it's weird because isn't Tudor the official timing sponsor of the Tudor fans? That's not actually weird at all. Strange. I have a question for Sir Bradley. Because there was, and you guys will remember this, in our generation, the teams were nine rider teams.

Which makes, you try to win a yellow jersey, defend a yellow jersey, it just makes it a little bit easier. Of course, years ago, they went down, probably in order to allow yet another team into the race. They took it down to eight riders per team. Thoughts on that? I mean, it makes it a lot more difficult, doesn't it? Yes, it does. if you take out your GC

guy that means you've got seven riders, if you've got a sprint from there you've got six guys that can control the race. I prefer it with nine races. I agree. It's funny going back to 1995, the first the year before Bjarne won the tour and of course Telecom's then dominance for the two years with Bjarne as well. In 95, ZG Mobili merged with Telecom for the Tour de France. They had three riders for Telecom and five, six riders for ZG Mobili that year. It was the only time they've ever done it. They'd combined two teams. Well, didn't the Colombian national team do that with another team at some point? In the 80s.

In the 80s. Fabio Parra and all those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't they merge with a, I feel like they did or did they have a full squad? And Parra won a stage. Parra won a stage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't they merge with a, I feel like they did or did they have a full squad and power or one of stage power one stage? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I roomed with his brother, even part of the tour with coffins. Think these French teams not winning, probably not going to win it for being completely honest. Like what stages are they going to win? Yeah.

But like, did you notice who the last man standing was today? Jonas Obrerhundsen. Like it's always the same aggressive people. Like I'm trying to be diplomatic with this. Is there a mentality in these teams where it's like, oh, poor us. We're just here riding along. We don't stand a chance versus like, why don't you get out there like you? Well, as I said, I think there's too much pressure on.

They put too much pressure on themselves. And it starts building as the tour goes on, particularly with a Frenchman winning yesterday who's on another team. That doesn't help the cause. Yeah. But you see, they call it a lottery pick like UnoX, they're affecting the race. So in hindsight, they deserve to be in. But you could even, I mean, Arkea, I mean, Vakalan has been a factor.

I mean, he's been in the race, so okay. Team like Kofidiz, I don't know. I mean, every now and again, you'll see him on TV, right? Yeah. Not affecting the race. It caused a crash today. If we go back, there's stages in the first week. No, I think it was François Dijon.

Well, both of them then. Both of them, yeah. There's a program that's got some answer to do, right? Francais Dijouga, I was struggling to think of another, I mean, that's a team that I couldn't even think of it. No. This is a long running team led by a complete blabbermouth, Mark Matio, who must just be going,

just ripping at these guys every night and but they're not having anything to do this bike race at all. Yeah but there's stages in the first week where they're not in the breakaways. It's like look at Uno X it's just like always on the front foot. Tudor as well. Yeah. You know yeah with a Frenchman in Julien as well he's played a big part he was there yesterday. I feel like they've been in the race. They have been. Hershey was trying again today. Yeah. Always yeah. Yeah like they had a in the race. They have been. I'm totally... Hershey was trying again today. Yep.

Always, yeah. Yeah, like they had a good ride on bond too. They didn't win, but they're just there on the front. Had two guys in the break the other day, gave it everything. I mean, I'm down with that. Totally cool with that. If people really want to get into the weeds, Picnic Post-O'Neil gets third today on the stage.

Lot of UCI points. So now they're like, they're the last promoted team and then Cofidus is out of the promotion zone and the relegation zone. Right. I now they're like they're the last promoted team and then co-produces out of the promotion zone and the relegation zone. Yeah and they're gonna get points at the with Oscar Omley at the finish. Yep. A lot of points I would imagine. Yeah. Maybe ends up fourth or third, fourth, fifth and on GC. It's a huge amount of points. Right. Yeah. There you go. Time for the Ventum Daily Trivia. Yesterday's question.

2016 race leader and eventual winner, Chris Froome famously ran up a portion of the slopes of Mont Ventoux. Big controversy here on set. Why was he forced to run? This is not a tricky one. Answer. His bike was badly damaged in a crash involving a moto and crowded roads. That does happen. Yeah. That does happen. Yeah.

Shouldn't happen. And our boy, Thomas from Demetrov, was in the car following him for his 50th birthday. That was kind of a special day for him. Wow. Stage 17 question, the Rhone Valley, location of stage 17, is known for peloton breaking winds. What formation

do riders form to try and combat the winds? This one, even I know that one. It's a peloton. No? That's not a peloton. That one's a Dia, that one's a Lilisi on the easy side. We're just giving money away. What is the formation they formed to protect themselves from the wind? I do get a lot of questions about the wind. Yeah, wind is, do you guys want to, the rule is a rider is not allowed to advance on the course without their bicycle.

Yeah, that's the UCI rule. I would invite anyone to watch that footage and tell me if that happened or not. Hmm. I'm gonna go, I'm flying to Switzerland tonight. We need to. No, you're not. But you to, I'm going to go, I'm flying to Switzerland tonight. We need to, no, you're not. But you actually, I, you've got another 10 days. I dug into this, 12 days.

Kitty, kitty. I dug into this last night and apparently Sky had a spin doctor who went, he's like now like a political spin doctor. Like the old band, the one hit wonder? Yeah. And his line was, you have to give the commissars the, you have to solve the commissars problem for them, give them the answer. And so like after the stage, they all go in and they're like, they're probably like, Oh my God, what do we do? Who was that? What was that guy's name? Alistair Campbell?

Yeah. Yeah. So he was Tony blares back. Yeah day. Yeah, yeah. I knew Alastair a long time ago. So it's just kind of like a club of a little funny backstory to that where it's like giving them a simple solution that solves the problem of the disaster. In other words, hypnosis. Yeah, kind of, yeah. You will do what we say. But that also shows that the sophistication that Ineos or Sky was operating at versus FDJ probably doesn't have that. Any questions? Well, first question for you guys, what happens tomorrow? This is from Spencer in Boulder.

Who wins tomorrow? I'm going to say it's just some renegade climber that has nothing to lose and is going to get in the breakaway and hopefully get a big time gap. But at the same time, it's very unpredictable. It's very unpredictable. I mean, Jonas is going to want to win a stage. Is he? I think so. He's going to want to win a stage. Yeah, and it's going to be very hard to control. And by just by the route, if a breakaway does get away the field still

has to go really hard because they're not gonna go easy up these climbs so I can't imagine a breakaway getting a lot of time and that last climb is like I said the hardest climb I've ever done so even if they breakaway arrives there with two three minutes we saw what's happened in the past the field with GC favorites can catch them. Here, here's the question. Does Jonas Wingergaard, does he care that much about getting second? Because for me, I wouldn't care, right?

Second place, first place loser. I don't care. So, and if you believe what you hear and watch them say in the post-race interviews, well, the quote is something to the effect of, well, we have to try something. If I think back to 2001, early in the stage, of course, later in the stage, we went over La Jouplan, but early in the stage, Pantani goes away. I mean, in that seven year run, there was only one time where in my mind I was like, uh oh, what do we do now?

Right? And that was, and you would have, if you could listen into the race, our radio communication, I was like, what is going on here? What do we do? My point here is if he doesn't, if he cares about getting second, he should just follow the wheel. If his only goal is to win the tour or get 17th, doesn't matter, you have, it's all in for the win.

Then is there not a world where he goes on the metal end? I mean, and what does Tade do? Yeah, well, I mean, we saw yesterday, he definitely. It's just a scenario, I'm not, I mean, but if, but. It has happened before. We have seen it. Remember the Tourmalet? Of course we have. We've seen it. Puntaniet. Of course we've seen it.

Puntani did it in 98. But I think there's no doubt he's going to try something and he's going to send his team to go in the breakaway early on and he's going to try the same sort of zero tactic. Well, this waiting to the end. Yeah, you can't do that. With the best rider of all time on the Tour de France and maybe in the sport and or in the sport.

That's not going to work. I mean, now you're just praying and hoping for a bad day, which seems lame. There might be a scenario that he sends it early. Well, in 2023, he attacks over the Tourmalet, like a long way from the finish. Pogacar follows him, just the two of them. Wawenar's waiting. Oh my God, this is amazing. And then Pogacar waxes him on the final climb.

So they're, yeah. It only works if he gets away. Does that happen in cycling anymore? I don't know. Like are the, if they're climbing at six watts per kilo on these early climbs, can you get away? Well, Jonas is saying he usually gets stronger the third week.

We saw his performance yesterday. He was right on par with Poetjar. So maybe he takes tries to take advantage. Maybe Poetjar's illnesses creeping up on him. I know it's, but we'd love to see some more exciting racing. I think it's really clear. I think if they mean what they say that quote unquote, we have to try something and all they care about is winning.

I'm sort of assuming on that one. Then you got to mix it up. And maybe I'm saying this selfishly because it would make for incredible TV and make for a hell of a race to watch. And on the climb like Von Two yesterday, if they were to turn around at the top, come back down and do it again, would you have the same result or does Jonas drop him? I mean, I don't think he does, but I don't think he does. You know, multiple climbs. He's got to start early. Yeah. The problem too with their strategy is when they have these guys wait, like on bone two.

Yeah. But the problem is Benut's pace is letting Pagacha rest. Exactly. So you have to get away from Pagacha and then get to your teammates. Man on man. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I'll see you tomorrow. Yeah, we should. The YouTubers will chime in on that one.

Here's one. Just sometimes we should. The YouTubers will chime in on that one. Well, here's one. Just sometimes we we we lose contact with the common person. So Debbie wrote in, I think this is a very good simple question. George loses contact with the common person. Everybody else on the set here is a man of the people. George asked me what a grocery store was. He was years ago. No, years ago homeboy.

Wait, Spensino's jumping on the van wagon. The Crested ZZ van wagon. It's funny as where neighbors not in the least fancy. Years ago, all of a sudden, I didn't even know they delivered groceries. This was like early, early days of grocery delivery. And George, like this just like 18 wheeler pulls up with groceries.

And I was like, what the is going on here? And George is online ordering groceries. Anyways, go ahead for Debbie. So for those of us who pop into the sport, only to watch the Tour of France, it seems odd to have Tade sitting on the wheel of Jonas and others for the whole race, and then sprints at the end to win.

With this strategy, it seems like Jonas is just being a great teammate for Tade, pulling him the whole way. That's not a bad point, Debbie. Can you explain why Jonas doesn't sit on Tade's wheel and follow the same tactic? Why would that not work? Well, she's figured out the Tour de Friends tactics was what Liesman's doing wrong.

Yeah, Debbie's a special advisor to- She's right. She's right. She's right. She's right. But just keep in mind, we are talking about the GOAT. And it's his game. And people got to play by his. He's that good.

It's hard. It's easy for us to sit around and kick around and other people to ask about. But it's hard to defend. This just goes back to what I said a second ago. Mix it up. I don't know. Well, and if you sit on his wheel, he's just going to ride a pace that's comfortable for him. He'll

never get in trouble. Yeah. Visma has to try to make him uncomfortable so they can drop him. Because UA will ride Pogatro's pace whatever he wants and they'll be even more control. Yeah and he still has a team that can support him. There's other teams in the race that are going to be supporting their interests right. Whether it's fight for the podium team GC fight for the top 10. You're always gonna find folks that These aren't individual time trials every day. There's always politics and posturing that goes on within the Pell time. Yeah So an interest and they have to keep trying. I mean we like we're I don't want to make it sound like we're clowning on Visma. It's like they've got to try something. Yeah. Yeah. And let's see. That's what, that's what they'd start for. That's weird. That it? That's it. Debbie's the last one. All right.

Well, we'll be back tomorrow for the Queen stage. 50, almost 5,500 meters of climbing nasty. Thanks for tuning in. See you all tomorrow.