THEMOVE - A Masterclass in Teamwork | La Vuelta a España Stage 2 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: August 23, 2026

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down Visma's perfect team tactics to deliver Matthew Brennan his first career Grand Tour stage win while Tadej Pogačar successfully defended his overall race lead against an aggressive Ethan Hayter. They discuss how a few GC contenders lost time on what should have been a straightforward stage and predict tomorrow's Stage 3. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Ultra Pouches: Ultra is the ultimate guilt-free pouch — delivering instant focus and mental clarity, without nicotine or caffeine. New customers can use code THEMOVE to get 15% off at https://TakeUltra.com. After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them. PLEASE support our show and tell them our show sent you. Eight Sleep: Use code THEMOVE at https://eightsleep.com/themove for up to $350 off. 30 days to try it at home. Free returns if it's not for you. Tifosi Optics: Use promo code THEMOVE at https://tifosioptics.com/discount/THEMOVE

But yeah, what to say about Visma? You know, Visma today was, I think they wrote the perfect race. They had a plan A and a plan B. I mean, probably, probably three plans, one of which we didn't work because I think, I think, you know, we're going to talk a little bit later. I think about Ethan Hater, but, you know, they did not manage to get Ethan Hater back from that breakaway to sprint for the bonuses and eventually try to get in the red jersey for Wobon Art.

But yeah, Valak said clearly in his interview that the plan was for him to attack there at that point, which he did. And Pogacar went after him and then that didn't work out. And then the plan was to sprint for Matthew Brennan. Beautiful teamwork, by the way, by Christophe Lapporte. That was a huge lead-out for him. But I think Vizma today was impressive. They wrote the perfect race. and they deservedly have the stage with.

Everybody, welcome back to The Move. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Brunel. We're breaking down stage two of La Vuelta, a one by Matthew Brennan. It was a reduced, extremely reduced, very hard sprint finish, slightly uphill sprint finish after a 202 kilometer day

that left to Monaco and went through the hills of Provence. Matthew Brennan wins over Palmeckel from Bahrain, Victoria's, coming with Tadipagotra coming in third, picking a four bonus seconds. Can't wait to pick your brain about why exactly he did that, Johann. With Mads-Petterson, fourth, Hugo Hofstetter, fifth, kind of a mix of versatile sprinters, GC riders in this top 10 with some GC riders missing out, some riders who wanted the overall, like Ethan Hater, who got into the early breakaway, invested a lot of energy all day up there,

got the intermediate sprint points and most importantly time bonuses, which had him in the virtual race lead. All he had to do was finish on the same time as the leaders and he was distanced, lost 31 seconds in the final kilometer, which shows us how hectic and important positioning was there. Now with the GC Tadipagotra leads, Wildman Art by nine seconds with Matthew Brennan, his teammate, and third, 10 seconds back. Leo Besu, 12 seconds back and fourth, Finn Fisher Black from Red Bull Borahanskrow in 5th at 14 seconds back. But Johan, what was your 8th? sleep move of the day. And before you answer, let's just say a quick thing about eight sleep,

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yeah well my move of the day has to be matthew brandon spencer the the way he won that sprint confidently you know that display of power compared to a guy let's not forget you know he was when he went to you matt's peterson was on his wheel and he just blew him up blew him out of his wheel. That was incredible. It made me think a little bit. I was thinking about a stage I saw from him, and I checked it.

It was last year for stage one in Welta, Catalonia, where he kind of did the same thing. He was, I remember he chased down Tibor del Grosso. And with 500 meters to go, he was basically leading out Caden Groves from Tibor de Grosos team. And he just, when he caught Tiwolde Grosso, he was also a drag uphill. And he just went to the line and King Groves just died in his wheel.

Yeah, I mean, that was, that was impressive. And impressive display of power. And probably not the last time we have seen a stage win for of Matthew Brennan in this wealth up. No. First participation in an underground tour. First opportunity straight away wins the stage. Yeah. That's, that's only big talent.

who can do that. Yeah, it was, yeah, what, two, two day old grand tour career and he gets his first stage win. Not, not too bad. I mean, the guy is 21 years old. He has 20 professional wins. Not too bad. And this is a down year for him. He won 12, he had 12 race wins last year, only has eight this year.

Maybe he can get that back up to 12. He had kind of a funny spring where I don't know if we said on the podcast or just privately between each other, but it's like, oh, you know, you know, kind of a weak spring from Brennan, but then when he looks back through, he won in Kern Brussels Kern, and then he had that great lead out for Walt Van Art at Perryou Bay going to the Arnberg Forest. But then, you know, then he wasn't, I would not say at the level we expected for a few months after that.

Obviously, looks back to his best tier. That turn of power was insane. The gap he had over the others. That was, I almost look like a, like there was a lag on the TV. He looked like he was sprinting at a different speed than everybody else. what did you think about pal McKell from Bonre and Victoria getting second over Pagacha

or Pagotcha third? I didn't see that coming. No, me neither. Me neither. That was a surprise. But obviously, you know, he has to mean, we've seen him sprints, you know, he's a sprinter who, you know, obviously can go pretty good uphill also. I remember him vaguely from a few years ago

at the Vuelta being up there in the top five in the mix for the sprints, but I think he was on Ken Farma then. Yeah, that was, that was, I first, I took me a while to see who that was from Bahrain, victorious, but that was a really nice result for him. He never had a chance to win, of course, but to beat, I mean, let's not forget, you know, I think it's even more impressive, says to the victory of Matthew Brennan that, you know, he was sprinting against Matt Peterson, who had the whole team lined up the whole day for the

stage win. And by the way, I think it's clear that what he said before the race that he's not going for the green jersey is probably true, at least initially, because he didn't contest the intermediate sprint for the sprint points. So that meant also that he was all in for the stage win, Pedersen. And yeah, for Paul Mikhail to beat Peterson and Pagatja, Pagaccha was third finally, that says a lot about the quality of this. rider. It's going to be great for his confidence. And maybe, you know, Bahrain Victorious will have some motivation now to make some of these stages where it potentially can be a sprint to make them hard in the final to drop some of the other sprinters. The problem is, will they be able to drop Matthew Brennan? Yeah, I mean, printing could, we obviously don't know how any of this is

going to play out, blow for blow, but you just look at the profile of a lot of this welton and you think that's pretty good for Matthew Brennan. And on a flat sprint, maybe he gets beat by someone, but he looks so fast today. Like, is a flat sprint going to be any different? Like is...

Yeah, I think, I think so. I think so. But, but yeah, I mean, I think before the Veltan, you could read in the interviews that,

you know, initially I thought, you know, this, Visma is going to be all in for World Van Art. Then I saw an interview of Brennan. you know, he transmitted a lot of confidence, personal ambition. And then Van Arte also said, you know, that they have two cards to play in the sprint stages.

So obviously Van Ard knows and knew definitely before this Velta how strong Matthew Brennan is right now. I mean, let's not forget he won two stages in Turgoburgos recently, so shows that he's in top form. But yeah, what to say about Visma, you know, Vizma today was, I think they wrote the perfect race. They had a plan A and a plan B. I mean, probably, probably three plans, one of which we didn't work because I think, I think, you know, we're going to talk a little bit later. I think about Ethan Hater, but, you know, they did not manage to get Ethan Hater back from that breakaway to sprint for the bonuses and eventually try to get in the red jersey for

Wavon Art. But yeah, Val Ard said clearly in his interview that the plan was, for him to attack there at that point, which he did. And Pogacar went after him and then that didn't work out. And then the plan was to sprint for Matthew Brennan. Beautiful teamwork, by the way, by Christophe. That was a huge leadout for him. But I think Vizma today was impressive.

They wrote the perfect race and they deservedly have the stage win. Yeah, we should definitely give them credit because a lot of teams would have had a hard time with this because Leport was four seconds back in the G.C. So there's a world too where you think, well, Leport, he goes for the stage win. He wins the stage. He's in the overall lead. But or, you know, Wout Van Ard, he's Watt Vinnard. He should be sprinting for the win, you know, in the leaders jersey at this race.

And you could imagine on a different team, those three guys are sprinting against each other and they get like second, fourth and sixth, right? We could easily imagine that. But the fact they got everyone on the same page, they had wild. attack 2K out, then Laporte follows an attack at 1K to go, leads out Brennan. And then Brendan wins the stage. Clearly they pick the right rider there to have sprinting because it wasn't even close. I think he would have beaten anyone on that team.

But just super impressive. I mean, especially we should talk about how they controlled the breakaway and what hater being up there meant for them. But do you want to take a quick break and then we'll talk about that? And the riders who kind of lost out in the final there. But we'll be right back. Everybody, this Volta, Espania coverage is brought to you. Ultra Pouches. If you're someone who needs a coffee every couple hours just to feel normal, you know the tradeoffs, the racing heart, the crash, the wrecked sleep score. That's why I've

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Okay, Johan, we are back. I'll talk about some GC riders did lose time, some high profile GC riders like Felix Gall. But the first one I want to touch on is Ethan Hater. Kind of clever move, surprising move. I was surprised when the TV footage came on and he was in the breakaway. But he gets those time bonuses. He's in the virtual race lead. Looks like everything's going perfect.

All he's got to do is finishing the top. Let's see, the top 42 riders on the day, but he loses the wheel in the final K and loses 31 seconds. And it's exactly, I think you talked about this on the podcast recently where he's not really, the gap is not 31 seconds, but the gap from Brennan to him is 31 seconds because there was a split in the group. That's the risk of being too far back. But what did you make of this? Yeah, well, first of all, it was an impressive performance because he was 150K or so in the breakaway, then when he saw that the break was coming, they came, I think when Armireal was pulling on one of those clams, they came to 12 seconds. And then he attacked from the breakaway,

did another time trial, basically to that intermediate sprint and got there with about 30 seconds. So he got those bonus seconds, was virtually in the lead. And yeah, I thought, I thought, I mean, a guy with the engine and the power of Ethan Hater, although it's, true that he must have been really, really tired of these efforts being so long out in the breakaway. But, you know, nobody can tell me he cannot stay in the top 40, especially if it's a drag. So I spoke with somebody on his current team actually two days ago. And his name came up. And I asked him about Eaton Hater and this person said, you know, he's a good writer. But it's a shame he can he is really really bad in positioning he can he's not he can't

rate in the ride in the bunch which is strange you know it's he looks uh i don't know if it's if he's scared or obviously today i think it was a combination of you know he's not great in the bunch and then on top of that obviously he didn't have a lot of strength left but you know any rider who who has some skills to maneuver and fight for position even if you're tired you are able to stay in the top 40, especially a guy with the power of Ethan Hater. So I think that's obviously a disappointment because what he did, that effort he did to get to that sprint point, what was impressive. That was really impressive.

Yeah. And then to, you know, he did say, however, he did say, however, that they were held up in the final by a crash or an almost crash. and you know the half of the peloton came kind of to a standstill but that's obviously also a consequence that you're not in good position right um i mean i don't know i don't know but even even more um i mean this and this is a guy who's writing for a contract spencer strangely enough he hasn't renewed with siddar quick step it doesn't look like they want to keep him he's on the market still uh doesn't have a signed deal yet for next year. I'm pretty sure he's going to get a contract. I mean, he's

strong. But there must be something with that guy that doesn't really fit because, I mean, obviously, being strong and not being able to ride in the bunch is a problem. I think it speaks for itself. If you look at all his last victories, it's almost all time trials. Yes. I mean, you know what's weird about, and we were poking around about this. Like, how could this guy not have a not of a contract and one of the answers we got was not great at writing the bunch. Weird thing about it, though, he used to be a stage racer, Johan. He has won a world tour stage race. So you've got to be pretty good at positioning, right?

Which one? Which one? Tour of Poland. And he won two of Norway. Yeah. Yeah. Does it like, you know, that was in 2021 and in 2022. Yeah.

And I think, I mean, I may, I don't, I don't know. I seem to remember initially when he came onto the scene that he was actually also, he's pretty fast. He's pretty fast and he was actually up there in some sprints. So I don't know. Something must have happened. I don't know what it is. We are nobody to do. I'm just going off what I see and what I hear. I've been told from people. But it would be it would be a shame that a guy like that doesn't, I mean, he will find a contract. The question is, you know, now at the end of the season, obviously most of the teams have their spots pretty full. and it's a matter of teams that are looking for a bargain,

which now Ethan Hater is on the market and it will be a bargain for any team because it's late in the season. So, I mean, obviously it's yesterday, he got close to winning today, today almost in the red jersey. He's going to find a team, right? I'm not doubting about that. The question is which team and under which conditions. So, but he's in good shape, man.

He's in great shape. And Spencer, what do you make? I wrote this down here. I have to talk about this. His kit today. Did you see that? Apparently, also, Ethan Hader, in his first full season as a professional, Volta Algarve, second, Andalusia, seventh, tour of Norway, first, tour of Britain, second,

first in the national championships time trial, third in the road race. That's in his first year as a pro. someone should sign that guy so apparently i don't know if this can be true this seems unbelievable apparently the organization said hey here's your skin suit he said well this is an extra small and they said that's all we got how could that be possible and so it was too small and he had to cut the legs yeah so he put it on and then they did it during the race actually they cut it during the probably probably was dying right if you're not feeling good yeah so so you know, his, in his interview, he said that, you know, he was, he was offered to actually not wear the jersey because he's, you know, he's in second in the points classification, um, behind, uh, behind Pogac, today at least. So, uh, he was wearing it on behalf of Pogacar. And the organization apparently said that if, if he wanted, he could, he could use his normal team kit, which honestly, I would have done. Uh, you know, if you're not, I mean, it's, you're not, you're not, you're not leading it anyway. I'm

I'm surprised that option was given because isn't the whole thing that they sell the sponsorship and they have to have a rider wearing the jersey? So if this is true, if this is true, which I have no reason to believe why it would not be true. I mean, then I question, you know, ASO, you know, that how, so I'm trying to think what happened. So normally, normally when you're, when you're, you get the jersey that you have to wear in the. evening after the stage. Okay, yesterday was late, it was a late finish, so maybe it didn't get there. Then they bring it to the start.

And obviously they give you the option. You know, you could also wear, I mean, that's another thing I couldn't. Just wear the jersey, right? You understand, you know, jersey and your team shorts, right? You can always do that. But obviously he wanted to wear a skin suit. But then I also started thinking, okay, wait a second.

Can ASO only have an XS if the biggest possibility, is that in the first two stages, this jersey is going to be worn by either Walt Vonart or Matt Spaterson, who are two really strong big guys. You know? So I don't know. I don't know what. I mean, listen, it's strange.

There's no reason to not believe what, what haters said, but it's a strange, a strange situation. It didn't look great, though. Maybe we'll host a fundraiser for ASO. Yeah. We'll get them some jerseysies. It also shows you, Spencer, how much it means for a rider to have a distinctive jersey in a grand tour. Even if it's only the Veltan, even if you're not wearing it being in the lead, but it's still an honor to be in a leader's jersey at a race, right?

So it obviously meant a lot for Ethan Hater. Otherwise, he would have worn the team jersey, right, today? Yeah, I mean, if I was Ethan Hater, my mentality would be, I'd be pissed off that don't have a contract and I'd say like look at all you motherfuckers and you're you don't have anyone in any jersey right most riders on most teams never wear a leader's jersey and I'm in a leader's jersey at a grand tour so give me a fucking contract probably is how I would be thinking I mean he must be pissed that he doesn't have a deal yeah I would listen I mean Spencer I mean there's nothing to be pissed about you know if he's not renewed he's not renewed I mean contracts start and and have a finishing date

So if you're not renewed, there's usually a reason. Now, is that going to change now? And also we need to know what are his requirements to have a country? What are his demands for contracts? Just a little contract, three million euros a year. Some of these requests are pretty high. You'd be surprised. Yeah.

Yeah. But anyways, it was a funny look. It didn't look great. Not for him and not for, not for ASO, man. That didn't look great. So he's British national time trial champion. The British national road race champion makes, I believe, over two million euros a year. And so you could imagine, I don't know if I want to call him out.

Oh, that's Fred Wright, right? Yeah. No, he does make two million. There's no way Fred Wright makes too. That's not. The, the really, maybe we're in a bubble, but the level you can get paid to be just like, that's where I like wonder with Carapaz. Like his contract,

I heard is 2.5 million euros a year. It's like that's a really good deal. And I was surprised your good friend, Daniel Benson, he wrote that piece about all these problems with him changing teams. It's like, if that's really what he's getting paid,

he's like one of the best deals in the market. Like I would imagine teams will be, even at 32 years old, teams would be moving mountains to sign up. But Johan, what did you think about, Felix Gall losing time? 18 seconds.

It's not a lot of time, but no. Think about losing 18 seconds in a time trial. Like that would be, that's a lot of time to give away on a stage where you just have to be in good position not to lose time. I mean, like after two stages, yesterday he lost 46 seconds to Porcaccio and today, what, 18, so he's already over a minute down. That's not great. I'd say, okay, it could be a positioning issue, but, you know, that's something it's not allowed to happen. You know, it's it also shows you that he doesn't show up with the best legs.

Probably needs some time to get into the race. And then, yeah, we already said it before. You know, the question is how motivated is Felix Gall still for this wealth? We don't know. Obviously, he won the tour of Burgos, so he still has to be in good shape. And we haven't got to anything that's good for him yet, too. So kind of hard to make it. Yeah, but you can't lose it.

18 seconds on a drag on a one kilometer uphill drag that's if you're a gc contender you can't which place did he come in he came in where did he come in pretty far down he came in 66th so but the the bigger problem is pagetra's pagetra right like this almost doesn't matter how much time you're behind him but he's 31 seconds behind carapaz and moss after two days you know like that's not great. Not great. Not great. And those would be two guys that you would not expect to have an amazing opening time trial and like Enric Moss on an uphill sprint. He's the one you would think would be vulnerable, but he's finishing in the group right behind Carapace. So yeah. Yeah, not great for

for Gall. I mean, what about Amate? Like where, I don't think we mentioned him yesterday. Zwaal Amata was the best of the rest of the GC guys. If we consider him a GC rider in the time trial. Yeah, he finished 18 seconds behind Pagachar and then loses 18 seconds today. Like, do we, is it even more speculating where he is right now? Yeah, we don't know. We don't know. You know, I mean, obviously, we don't know what kind of health issues he has had. Then, you know, he crashed in Tour of Poland.

So we don't, we don't really know. But I think, I think normally, I don't think Almeida starts with any high. G at GC ambitions and we'll just find out through the race how he feels. I think that's probably the best approach for him, you know, to not put any pressure on himself. Be at the service of the team. As I said, you know, if he's at the start of this Welta, it's because the team knows that his health problems are probably behind him. And so we'll see.

We'll see. I didn't speak about Almeida yesterday as a GC. writer because I just think that it's UAE is all in for Pagachar, as it should be, you know. And I'm pretty sure that if Almeida is, uh, is in good shape that he's going to be an amazing teammate for him. Yes. I was a surprised at his time trial. That was a really good time trial for Al Mada.

And then today could, could indicate that they're so focused on Pagachar that he's not even worried about, you know, spinning energy on these uphill sprints. And it's like, I got Pagatja already needed to be. This is also another, another example of a. who's not great at positioning. He's always had trouble. That's an understatement. Often out of position at the start of an important climb.

You know, so, yeah, which place does he finish? Almeida was in 59th position. Okay, so just after, just behind the split. It's actually not as bad for Almeida as you would imagine. Yeah. But I don't think any other G.C. things to hauled out, right? But those guys? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. Rog, I mean, we should just say, we should keep saying his name. Roglitch, he's still lurking.

30th place, didn't lose any time. Looked pretty good in that time trial. Keep an eye on Prima's Roglich. I'd be scared if I was anybody not Teddy Pagachar. He's been a little too quiet, Johan. Like, that's when you need to be afraid of Roglich. But should we take a quick break and then talk about tomorrow's stage three? We're in the mountains already. Okay. We'll be right back. Okay, Johan, we are back preview giving our outcomes preview for tomorrow's stage three, 174 kilometers, already into the mountains, into the Pyrenees. We leave the coast and go along. So one thing we should call out is we have a coastal section of road that is probably going to be windy, like 30 kilometer, 30 kilometer per hour across winds. So right there, it's going to be nervous from the gun.

And then we go inland up to Font Ramu. Is that the name of the town? You were telling me, it's a big altitude training base for French athletics. It's about 2,000 meters high up kind of the French version of Andorra. And it's not not, these are not like crazy climbs. The first, it is a lot. It's like 3,000 meters of elevation gain pretty much all in the last 50K of the stage.

The first climb is 19K long at 5% short descent. And there's bonus seconds and K-1 points at the top. then there's sprint points about right when the climb starts. So that's something to keep it on as well. Short descent and then a 10K climb at 5% up to the finish. Really steady drags, but that's a lot. That's 30K of climbing to finish the stage. Would imagine it's going to be done at quite a high speed.

And if there's nervousness with the crosswinds, there's probably not going to be a big gap for the breakaway. How do you think the stage is going to play out? Yeah, it's a difficult one. You know, it's a lot of climbing, as you say, but the climbs are not very hard. It's definitely too hard for sprinters or like, you know, strong sprinters, like, for example, Matthew Brennan or I would say even Walt Van Art. I don't know in which kind of mindset he is, but I don't know if Walt von Art, maybe he could. Maybe he could, but it's hard. I mean,

it's, it's, it's, the last 40K are uphill. There's, you know, a sprinter cannot make it. which of the fast guys could make it eventually, I don't know. I'm going to go for Tadeh Pogacar, man. He's so strong. He could already ride away from them, I think. He can do that. I don't think there's anybody who can follow him. The question is if he wants it and if his team wants to control the whole stage,

if it would be without, I mean, if there's predicted crosswinds, then I do think it's difficult for a breakaway. do to make it to the finish. If it would be without cross wins, then maybe a break could take enough time and somebody might actually make it to the finish. But I'm going to predict that that Pogacar already wins tomorrow stage. Yeah, it could absolutely happen.

I mean, and even the thought, I, my wild card would be pal Mikkel, the guy who finished second today. I don't think so. The issue that is going to happen is Bahrain is going to say, hey, we could win the stage, right? We got second today. They're going to work to pull that breakaway back. And they could just deliver Pagacha right to the stage win.

You can imagine that happening. Today sprint, Spencer, and tomorrow's final of the races, it has nothing to do with each other. I would be so, I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm underestimating these guys. But I do think it needs to be somebody with decent climbing capacities. And it all depends also on what Pagaccio wants to do.

From what I hear in his pre-Velta interview, he's definitely counting on putting the hammer down on stage four, which makes sense, which is a hard stage. So I don't know if tomorrow he wants to. But anyways, you know, it looks to me like, I don't know, could we see Pogacre being in the leader's jersey from start to finish in this? of Alta, I'm not excluding that. That would be the first time since 1991, I think, or 1990. Johnny Buño in the Giro. That was the last time that anyone did it in any grand tour.

And any grand tour leading from start to finish. I don't know if it was 90 or 91. Maybe 91. Yeah, 91. If you remember, he tried to do it at the Gero, 2024. He did. came one stage short, right? Because he didn't win stage one.

It does seem like he wants to do it. I mean, if he's sprinting for time bonuses today, it tells us that that's probably a goal. The only thing I could see happening tomorrow, and maybe this is wrong. Tell me if I'm wrong. It's a long drag, not that hard. Does some group noodle off the front

and UAE can't control it the whole climb? Or does that never be a problem? That's a possibility, but there's not that many riders, Spencer who can you know who can get away and then get uh oh my pogacho's just going to be there with these guys what about leo bassoe on the californ okay yeah yeah yeah i mean maybe but i mean it's not like we've seen poggha do solos of a hundred k plus so i mean if tomorrow he goes with with 10k to go we're going to bring him back yeah that seems a great I do think that some team will probably step forward to control the race and I could see him winning the stage.

So I'll go Pagachar as well. Okay. Yeah, could be solo. Could also just be from a sprint, routine sprint. Probably too hard for Matt, for no Mads Pedersen, you think? I don't. You know, I mean, listen, we also saw what he did on the, on the, what was it, on the crowd, on the crowd affair. But, uh, it's going to be fast, you know.

for a long time. It's going to be hard for those guys, I think. Because I'm going to go Bogacha. Okay. I'm going to go Pegacha too. I think that's a safe pick. And I mean, we could probably pick Bagacha for every stage of this race, except the sprint stages and mathematically come out on top.

Because especially in this first week, if you want a jersey, if he wants to build up a lead early, these are the stages to do it on, stage three, four and then stage nine is a big stage and then he may be he'll go into defense mode but we're not there yet so baghra's a decent pick we'll see how it plays out anything else johan before we take off um no that's it all right talk to you tomorrow we'll see how it goes and then we got a big big preview for stage four to do as well on tomorrow's show so we will see you soon okay thanks okay bye