THEMOVE - A Picture-Perfect Attack & the GC Tension Builds | Giro d'Italia 2026 | THEMOVE+

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down Alec Segaert's perfectly-timed late attack to win Stage 12 over a depleted peloton, which Movistar blew up on a mid-stage climb. They look at how the Segaert read the race perfectly, how the pieces were put into place for his winning move, and what to make of his GC rivals allowing race-leader Afonso Eulálio to take six bonus seconds, along with Ben O'Connor getting four, on the run-in to the finish. They also look forward to tomorrow's Stage 13, giving their picks for the win and if they expect the stage to be won from the breakaway or the peloton. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team  

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when you go to IQBAR.com today and enter promo code Bar 20 to get this exclusive offer for our listeners. That's IQBAR.com promo code bar 20 to get 20% off plus free shipping. IQbar.com code bar 20. Afonzo Ullalio, the race leader, sprints ahead, gets six second time bonus, Ben O'Connor kind of heads up move, chases after him, gets four seconds. So they get a time bonus,

they extend their race lead, they have the jersey for probably losing on Saturday. Then they win a stage. I mean, it is, you could tell when they were interviewing the Bahrain staff, just how excited they were. That has to be good vibes inside the team. Spencer, success is contagious in a ground tour.

You know what I mean, It's like everybody's on cloud nine right now. And, you know, everything seems to work. It's, as we say, as I say many times, the second part of a grand tour is, there's a lot of mental struggle and a lot of, I mean, it's very different. If you suffer for a reason or if you suffer just because you are in the race and you have to follow the incredible pace that other teams impose on you. It's very different, the kind of suffering. Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin.

I'm here with Yohan Brunil. We are breaking on stage 12 of the Giro de Talia. And then we'll predict stage 13 talking about who he thinks is going to win that. But stage 12 was a sprint day, breakaway day. No one's quite sure what it was. It was a hard day with high pace. A breakaway got away early was reeled in. Another breakaway went was then caught on the first climb when Movistari started pacing,

just like they did on stage. four and then they just sent it down there was an even harder client in your grimaces at the front whittling down the group paul mona's drop jonathan milan's dropped we think it's going to be a produced sprint we have guys like tunards ethan vernon jonathan our bias who's going to win this thing oh it's alec sagart with a late attack a beautiful late attack with three k to go was planned it was in the final corner he must have read greg lamon's bike racing manual always attack into the corners. That's all I remember from that book. And Alec, he did that. It was perfect. He exited the corner with a like a big, a big gap. And key, Vismo was on the front with Victor Campanards.

They had nothing really to pull for other than keep Jonas Fendergarde safe. By the time Uno X got to the front, Tudor got to the front. It was too late and both those teams got in the front, not one or the other. It was too late and he held him off. It was Johan perfectly planned attack. What was your takeaway from the stage? Yeah, super nice. win for Alex Seigart, his first Grand Tour stage win ever. And, you know, we've seen him do this already several times this season, Spencer. You know, like earlier, I think in March, we saw him do this in the Noccurre Grand Prix. He got caught like with 200 and 200 meters to go.

The day after, he did the same thing in Grand Prix de Nain, where he won. He almost did this. Remember it was that dwarves, Dwar of Landry? No, no, what Ghand Wivelgum? Gain Wivelgum, yeah, and he didn't work out because Gano was there. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, you have to have huge power to do that.

He's a time trial specialist, you know, ex-European champion under 23 time trial and very strong guy. So the thing is, you know, like for Seigart, you know, he has to be in great shape because, you know, he's a tall guy, but, you know, he's also almost 80 kilos. you know, 79 kilos, which, you know, for a rider his size and his, his weight, to make it over those two last climbs at that pace, because, you know, Movistar was really drilling it to try to drop all the sprinters. You know, they succeeded with most of them.

As you said, you know, Milan was dropped, Grunweigen was dropped, Manier, Lund and others. And so for Seigart, with his size, in his weight to make it. You can compare him with people Ghana, right, in terms of weight. I do think Ghana is now 87 kilos. So even that's word on the street. But 79, I mean, we were just doing quick math. He probably would have to be doing 450 watts if Enric Moss is pacing around like

between five and a half and six watts per kilo, maybe five and a half is what Moss was doing. So you have to do a lot of power to stay in that group at that size. So, you know, he has to be, the thing is that I think, you know, because he did say in his interview after the stage that they planned this attack at the same, that's very spot yesterday evening when they went over the strategy. So, you know, he must have felt really confident that he would make it over that climb, which is not easy, you know, because everybody, I think everybody kind of knew that Movistar would do this. They succeeded. I mean, they almost succeeded, at least by, you know, dropping the sprinters on stage, what was it, stage two or stage three? No, actually, it was later. Stage four.

Was Narvaise his first, Narvaise first win. Yeah. Yeah. So it was very similar terrain. And for sure, Movistar was going to try this. We talked about it yesterday that that was a possible scenario. And they did. I think they did it really well.

The problem with those kind of strategies, Spencer, is, and especially so deep within the grand tour already, that you don't have a full team anymore. And some guys are injured from crashes. Some guys are sick. You know, they have Javier Romo who abandoned today. They have Juan Peelopez, who looks like he's hurt from a crash because he has band-aids all over his legs.

So you're not at full power. and the danger is you spent two or three riders to set that tempo. But it was still far to go after that last climb. I think the last climb was probably still 40K to go to the finish. And so you don't have any guys left. Luckily, there was also other teams who were on the... So Movistar started to set the tempo straight away from the bottom of that first climb, did the damage, Manier and...

Milan and came back. But they got dropped straight away on that second climb because movie started the same. And, you know, they were joined by NSN who were, you know, having their fate in Corbyn Strong and Ethan Vernon. You know, but then still, you know, you still have to make it to the finish, right? As we say, always, Spencer, you know, at some point in a ground tour, you always find help. Right. So it was kind of nice to see that Moby started the damage, but then they didn't have to do the work anymore afterwards because NSN was doing the work. And also EF joined because they had this Estonian champion, Mades Mikkels in there. It was also a fast guy when the big sprinters are not there. And so everything pointed towards a reduced punchprint. Also, I mean, there was other riders there. you know, Ben Turner was there, had a flat, so he kind of lost. He came back, but I think he spent too much energy coming back.

And then the problem is that, you know, there is no more team that is really strong enough and can organize, except for example, except Vizma, but Vizma, they had a lot of guys, but they had no intention at all to bring everything back. And so the risk is then that there are riders like Alex Seyart, who try a late attack, and succeed. And so it's not easy. I mean, but a guy like Segar

definitely has the power. I mean, I'm really happy to see, you know, as a Belgian, a young rider to succeed. Also, he's,

you know, he's from my area, the town next to where I live in Belgium. And actually a one, two for Belgium today. I don't want to sound, you know, too patriotic,

but good day. So it was George and Cappi over here? But no, yeah, two and all, it's getting second. Huge. Not just because he's Belgian, but super impressive result. If you watch the cyclocross in the wintertime, that name will be familiar because he's a cyclocross rider has been a full-time cross-rider until you, what did you say last year?

Was his first year on the road? Yeah. I checked actually last year in the middle of the season, Spencer, in May of 2025. he transferred from his cyclocross team, which is a pure cycllercross team, to Lotto. They have a collaboration. And so now he's full time on Lotto for the road season. But it's actually his first full season on the road. As far as I remember, the team he's on as a cycler cross rider, his whole career.

I mean, he's 32 now, or at least the last few years of his. his career. It's a typical cyclocross team. So they do road races, but purely in preparation of the cyclocross season. So basically, they start the race in the month of May, these guys. So really impressive. I mean, Ton Arts, I think, is really undervalued as a road rider. And he's done a few good results already. I mean, he's strong, really strong guy. And it's nice to see, nice to see him up there. I think it's also his first round tour ever, if I'm not mistaken. So, yeah, it's the proof. Tony Arst is the proof that he's, of course, he's been a cyclist for a long time,

but it's never too late. It's never too late. You know, he obviously has a huge engine, has been a cyclist, but purely a cyclocross rider for a very long time. And now he's on the world tour scene. And today he got second in the stage in the Gero. Nice to see. he had a two-year suspension from 2022 to 2024.

I kind of forgot about him during that time. And he got a real bum deal. It was some sort of like I think it was a legitimately contaminated supplement. Yeah, it was something like that. It was a strange, a strange substance which is found in contaminated supplements or could be in meat or he did have, he did get a suspension, a two-year suspension because the explanations he tried to find. were not accepted. He didn't know himself how the substance got into his system, but it was definitely not a product that would enhance the performance.

So, I mean, he was, you know, effectively two years non-active without racing and then suspended. And then to come back like this, yeah, great for him. Interesting, yeah, trace amounts. Yeah, it is too bad. I kind of forgot about him. He comes back. was a different guy named Tune Arts because then he's on a different he's on a road team. Why do you think, why did he not switch over to the road for so long?

He was just enjoying cyclocross and then decided to do something different. No, he was a pure, pure cyclocross rider. Like there are many in Belgium and the Netherlands, you know, like, I mean, Haley is a bit. I mean, he's now had to stop his career, unfortunately, because of an injury. Michael von Turnout, yours, Nguyenhaus, Nevinhaus. name them, you know, these Belgians and Dutch riders who are making

a living as a pure cyclocross specialist. So Tonarst was one of them. I don't know. He just didn't, never got the opportunity, I think. He was for a long time on, on what was it,

track Lions balloas or something? Was it a team of Slaise? Yep. Which is also a pure cyclocross team. Now what we see course is also you know since there there are now these new collaborations between those teams for example if you look at Tibo nice when Tibernais is racing on the road he's on little track and when he's racing in the cyclocross he's on what I don't know

what it's called now it's track Valois or it hasn't it's another name now I don't remember the name they change sponsors but it's the typical you know pure cycle cross team so that's why they do it But yeah, I mean, tone arts, man, it's a huge engine, big engine, this guy. It shows, too, the risk of what Movistar did. Movistair does all this work. Christian, your son is not too impressed with our prediction yesterday because he said, that guy's not going to win.

And you know what? He was right. You know what he was right? He told me yesterday. He said, who do you pick? I said, yeah, you know, if it's a reduced bunchpren, I think, or Luis Olar. He says, he's not going to win. I said, I mean, I didn't check.

He hasn't won a race in the last two years. so or Liss O'Lar has not won a single race since he's on Mobistar, which you know, it's kind of difficult then to win a stage in the Gero, right? It is a little difficult, yeah. I mean, especially when you look at this outside of Tune Arts and Sigardt. Third place, Thomas,

or sorry, Guillermo Thomas Silva. Like that guy is really good. He's already won a stage at this race and he's still there. Ethan Vernon's still there. Those are hard guys to beat in a sprint like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, I mean, I think Movistar tried. I mean, they did the right thing.

It's a risk, you know, because obviously if you have a sprinter who is, who can maybe win, but probably they've probably hoped that some of those, I mean, those top five sprinters who were still there, some of them would not be there. But the risk is there that a guy like Seigard attacks and then, you know, you have nobody left. And I think the attack of Seagard was perfectly planned, especially because. because Visma was pulling. They were setting the pace basically to keep Jonas out of trouble. They had absolutely no intention to chase. It was Victor Kampanards, who was on the front, who was the next teammate of Alex Seigart,

and they get along really well. Victor went to congratulate him straight after the finish. I don't know if you saw that. Yeah. A little cook in there, perhaps. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, they had their job. job to do that was keep Jonas out of trouble and they were not going to chase it down and it took

a very long time and nobody had any man left to chase him down and then if okay if it's another rider you can say maybe he's going to die towards the finish but not a guy like Sigard man he just kept his speed and yeah super nice win for him yeah imagine the atmosphere in Bahrain no yeah and they get the time bonuses ooh la Alfonso Ullalio, the race leader, sprints ahead, gets six second time bonus, Ben O'Connor kind of heads up move, chases after him, gets four seconds.

So they get a time bonus, they extend their race lead. They have the jersey for probably losing on Saturday. But then they win a stage. I mean, it is, you could tell when they were interviewing the Bahrain staff, just how excited they were. That has to be good vibes inside the team. Spencer, success is contagious in a ground tour. You know, I mean, it's like everybody's on cloud nine right now.

And, you know, everything seems to work. It's, as we say, as I say many times, the second part of Ground Tour is there's a lot of mental struggle and a lot of, I mean, it's very different. If you suffer for a reason or if you suffer just because you are in the race and you have to follow the incredible pace that other teams impose on you. It's very different, the kind of suffering. So I just have a few questions for you. A little speed round. Seagard's career has turned around. The guy's having the career of his life.

Is this related to us meeting him on the road in the odd season? On a train ride. It's hard to say, potentially it could be related to that. We did meet him in December, right? Yeah. He was in, well, no, he was still in Lotto, Lottie clothing, lot of clothing, but on a Bianchi bike already. I see to remember.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, listen, he's, he definitely wanted to move away from, from Lotto. His brother, his brother is a trainer. Yeah, he works for Bahrain. He was on Lotto.

He left two years ago. Okay. And now he's back together with his brother. So I'm going to guess his brother is his trainer. That's nice. It is nice. But anyways, at the, you know, at the core of the success,

it's first of all the big talent and the big engine that Alex Seyart has, I would say. Probably. Probably that's related to it. Here's another, just speaking of odd things that I don't really understand. So the breakaway goes,

it's a nice, it's a perfect breakaway for the Peloton for a day like today. Suddall Quickstup and Univet are chasing, like pulling the gap back down. Visma goes up and says, well, what are you guys doing? Why are you doing this?

They keep pulling. They reel it in with a, 100K to go. There's now more attacks. You would imagine this is making the race harder for their sprinters who should be trying to go as easy as possible before the climb. Why is this happening? Is our team just desperate?

Well, I think, you know, it's not necessarily harder for the sprinters, I think, because on the flat terrain, that's not going to make a big difference. But, and then, you know, if, I think if the, if the breakaway would still have had more time, at the bottom of that first climb, I think Movistar would have done what they were planning to do anyway. Don't think it would make a lot of difference, but I think it, I mean,

it shows that they had confidence that these guys could make it. And, you know, they did come back after the first climb, which was the longest climb. Milan came back and Manier came back. Runawegan never made it back. But I was surprised, Spencer, not so much that they were chasing in the beginning,

but I was surprised to see that on the second climb, where Manier really was struggling and he was fighting so hard. And he made it over that climb within 40 seconds, which you would say is still doable, right? It was still 40 kilometers. He was not by him. There was two teammates with him of Sudal Quickstep, and there was Milan and a teammate at least,

and then there was, I think, two or three guys from Picnic Post and El with Lund. But with Van Uden, sorry. Van Uden. So, and then I looked into the Peloton, and I saw Jasper Stuyven and Fabio von Dembos still sitting in that Peloton. So I was surprised to not see them drop back. Because, you know, I mean, if you go for your sports, it's all in, right? You know, you don't have to keep a guy up there to maybe have a shot at the

wind because it was going to mean, Stuyven is fast. On the Bosch is not slow either. That's true. But they were faster guys than them there. So I would, I would, I mean, I would expected that those two guys were, we should have been told to drop back and just all or nothing, you know, like chase like crazy to bring him back. At that point, I mean, finally, they didn't make it, but finally, I mean, at that point, I think it was doable still with those 40 seconds. And so, yeah, I think a little track had, who did they have? They had, yeah, they had one rider, I think Sobrero. Chikone was there.

I don't think he could win this stage. So he could have dropped back. Derek G was the only guy should have stayed in there but then maybe they don't want to leave Derek G by himself in case there's a problem with the bike so Chicorna had to stay there I mean it's easy to say now right

but especially in in respect to Sudar Quickstep I thought that Stuyven and Vanemboche should have been told to wait and try at least to make it back with Manier but finally

Stovin finished his fifth in the stage, I think, no. So it's not bad, but I think it was worth the gamble to, you know, play all or nothing with Manier. Another weird thing about Monnier. He said he dropped his, he threw his bottles away at the bottom of the climb. And it was hot. It was like 27 degrees. And then he's like, yeah, I was pretty thirsty on the climb. It's like, well, yeah, dude, keep those bottles. Like, what are they teaching these kids these days? Hold on to those bottles, man. you would think that they had, I mean, if that's the plan, then normally they should have had people on the top of the climb staff with bottles.

That's the way. I mean, they might have had him on the top, though, and then he wanted a little sip on the way up. It was a long climb. But I guess my only pushback on that, and I do think it's weird they kept those guys there. I don't really understand that. But the pace was so high that Ben Turner flats and he's not, you know, they're chasing him and Jack Hague and then they drop back at. second guy to chase and they're like 20 meters behind and they can't catch on so for manier and

milan it would have been and even if they get back on are they so gassed seam gas as ben turner set after the stage that they have nothing left to give that i mean i was shocked at how hard that was coming into the finish and then you had chikone with attacking maybe it just wasn't a day for those guys i agree a little weird that you have i kept seeing stoivin on the back thinking why aren't they dropping a back what are they doing here um That wraps it up for, I mean, here's another off the wall question. Should Mobyster just have done the late attack? Like, why pace at all?

With who? Ullario. Ullario. Ullar. There's not Ullario. Ullar. With Olar. Maybe with Milesi.

Well, he's the same kind of type of writer as Seigart. You know, like, I mean, actually, when Melesi won the junior, World Championships time trial second was Alex Seigard. Yeah, well there you go. The same type of rider.

But yeah, I mean, listen, I mean, I think you have to try. But, but yeah, it was going to be, it was going to be a hard, hard call to win with Olar. We should say Enric Moss looking good. Not great for him in GC, obviously,

but two days in a row where he's looked really good. He looked a lot better than then week one for sure. Yeah. Well, let's take a quick break. And then I have a fun little GC fact for you and we'll preview the next stage. So, Johan, not much of a GC story today. It really was just a day for the stage hunters. Ullalio. In terms of in terms of GC Spencer, sorry to interrupt, but I found it quite, I mean, not surprising, but telling that, you know, the big favorites, they did not even tried to mean O'Lahio took the six, O'Connor took the four seconds. It shows you how confident they are.

I know, yeah. O'Lio is not a podium contender in their opinion. Well, are we sure about that? I think so, I think so. I mean, O'Connor, don't, you know, do not write him off for podium. I mean, he's been on the podium already in several ground tours. I think, yeah, like recently. I mean, the thing about O'Connor, though, is four seconds probably is not going to,

because he's in competition with Orenzman, Gall, Hinley, that's probably not going to make or break a podium spot, probably. Let's hope for those guys. It's not. But Ollio, I mean, he is, he's now 203 in front of Aronsman, 2.30 in front of Gaul, 250 in front of O'Connor, 312, in front of Jai Henley. And the last time we saw them,

he outclimed all of them except Gawlin Arnsman. So I don't know. I'd be kind of worried about it. What's the evidence that he's coming back on these climbs? I think Yonis is probably not too stressed, but outside of Yonis, I would be, I don't know.

I'm curious to see what he does. I don't think he's going to fall apart. I think what we need to see is how he's going to perform once he's out of the jersey. You know, let's not forget. He's on a high now. Like, you know, he's in trance.

You know, everything, everything's nice. Everything's never said better. Everything looks pink. He looks through pink spectacles now. The flip side of that is Jonas Svindigard, who looks miserable and blue. The most unhappy blue jersey I've ever seen so annoyed he has to wear that. It's not a nice jersey actually. No, it's not.

It looks terrible. I think he's probably doing all this extra stuff. after every stage because he's in that classification lead but he is obsessively obsessively at the front I don't know if you've noticed this he's always like he's always in front of his team and he's in like third

or fourth wheel there's usually one rider of the team in front of him and then everybody else behind him yeah I mean he's dialed in he's not messing around in the last half of this sure to tell you but someone pointed this out to me on Instagram

there's four Australians in the top 10 overall right now. So almost half of the top 10, Ben O'Connor, Jai Henley, Michael Storr, Chris Harper, and three of them, fifth, sixth, and seventh, O'Connor, Hinley, and Stor are from the same town

from Perth. Okay. Yeah. Like, what are the odds of that? That's the first, for sure. Yeah, and like Perth, you wouldn't really think of that as being cycling central,

I think, remember this guy, Jack Bobbridge? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Huge talent. Huge talent. I think he was from Perth. Yeah. Had some personal issues outside of that.

But let's preview tomorrow's stage, probably also not a GC stage. It is 189 kilometers. We are going into Felipe O'Gonna's hometown next to Lake Majore, I believe. It's another one that was a really tricky stage, probably to ride, to try to win and predict. It's flat-ish, rolling to flat with some bumps until 160 kilometers into the stage. We get a cat four climb. 172 kilometers in the stage, we get a cat three climb. That is quite hard.

The last 2K of this climb are over 10% average. We'll probably see something similar to stage two with GC moves. And I assume the race will be one there probably from the breakaway. And then you have a 12k descent down to the finish. Johan, how is this going to play out and who's going to win it? Yeah, I mean, it's a very special stage. As you say, the last climb is hard. It's impossible for sprinters to make it over there.

It is, I would say, similar to the stage that Silva won, where we saw an attack of Jonas on that climb. They were only three guys. It was Pellidzadi and Vanitveldt, who, by the way, did not start this morning because of the crash of yesterday. And then, you know, we had these 20, 30 riders come back and it was a reduced uphill sprint, right? could be the same tomorrow although i think that a breakaway does make a chance it's a it's a flat

beginning so it's it's quite flattish until the real uh the real climbing starts um sprinter steams won't work tomorrow that's for sure because they know that their sprinter won't make it over that steep two kilometer incline at the the end of the last climb so So it depends how far the breakaway is gone. And then it depends on which team really believes and wants to work for their puncher, who could eventually either make it over the climb and sprint from a very small group or get away on that last climb. I mean, typically I would say, you know, there's the two main guys who could do this in this race

is probably Jonathan Narvaise. and Julio Chikone, in my opinion. The question is, how much power do they have left in the team to control a breakaway? And also in terms of UAE, for example, it's clear that Narvaise is in an incredible form. How hard do they really want to try? And, you know, if you want to control the break, you need. need at least three riders, I would say. They have Mikkel Bjerk.

Then they have Arieta. They have Kristen, Narvaise, and who else do they have? You said Arieta, Kristen Berg, Narvaez, Morgado. Oh, Morgado. Yeah. Okay. So they, okay, they do have, okay, looking at that team, they do have the power. to do it.

But they're going to need to be joined by another team. In this case, it would probably be two guys from Little Trek who can ride on the flat. In that case, if it's if it's UAE and Little Trek together, the breakaway can probably be kept under control. So I think, yeah, I think Narvaise is a candidate and, Chikone, I think. Those are the two main favorites to win the States tomorrow. If it's not, I mean, if there's a really big battle between the G.C. guys on that last four-kilometer climb, then it's going to be Jonas and Felix Gall and Elio.

They're not going to drop him tomorrow. Aronsman. this guy I mean what we saw already on that two kilometer steep part on stage two this is harder because there's a lot more tired

guys yeah you know a breakaway can make it I think if it depends on the motivation and the will of teams like

UAE and a little track and maybe even Astana, you know, like Skaroni is probably a strong. I mean, he did crash yesterday, but he was strong in the final. He came back. So Scaroni would probably be one of the guys also to look for tomorrow. Yes, Skaroni is a really good pick. The odds are Narvaeus plus 350 is on draft kings. Chikone plus 900, Ghana plus 900.

Thomas Silva plus 1600, Ular plus 1600, Stoivin plus 1600, Ben Turner plus 1800. Jan Christian plus 2,000. I don't hate that one. Corbyn Strong plus 2,500. Scoroni plus 2,500. The Scoroni one I do like quite a lot. We should say Diego Ulysi, who climbed really well yesterday, plus 3,000.

Michael Volgrin plus 3,000. The Elisi one, Scoroni, super interesting. On the same team, I believe, on Astana. The question, Johann, is, would you rather control a breakaway if you're UAE for 160K? or would you rather just be in the breakaway? Well, the problem right now, Spencer, with Narvaise, for example, is, I mean, it's going to have to be somebody else than Narvaise.

If Narvaise is in the break, who in their right mind are going to collaborate with Novi? Well, would Skironi think I can drop them on the climb? I don't think so. People, people, I mean, I thought the breakaway formation was so weird today. I just don't know if I think there's some desperation. Controlling it for UAE would be tough.

Probably is this the safer move because the Narvaeas drops everybody. These kind of stages are sometimes different. I mean, they're difficult to predict. And sometimes you see things that we will say tomorrow, why is this team doing this, right? But at the same time, you have to think there are not so many possibilities anymore to win a stage. because there's two for sure bunch prints, for sure.

And then there's what? There's still four mountain stages left, I guess. Yeah. You know, so that's six stages. So we have tomorrow's stage 13. There's four stages, three stages left, basically, to try something. And tomorrow is one of them. So whoever wants to have a shot at a stage win and they're not in the break,

we can see some of those teams actually do. desperate things in the race that we said that why we don't understand but at the same time it kind of makes sense because they you know there's not many chances for stage wins the problem with controlling the day controlling the break and trying to win from the peloton is how do you not get dropped by yonis vina yeah exactly yeah so that's the the last three k of the climb are nine percent average too so that's a answer it's basically i think i think what i want to say is that if If there's a break on the first. And so what is it?

Is it, is it, it's like 140K, right? Before the, before the real, the first climb. I think it's 160 exactly. Okay. So if you're not in the break, you still, I mean, if you're not in there and you, you, you, you want to have a shot at the stage. You still have to try to bring the brake back to provoke another break. And have somebody in there, you know, like later in the stage, like,

in between moves, you know? So I'm pretty sure tomorrow we're going to see scenarios like this that we don't understand, but that's probably why they're going to do it because they're starting to be desperate to win a stage. I'm going to do Narvaeus in the breakaway plus 350. And I guess there's no, that beauty of Narvaeus says there's no guarantee that Jonas stays away. We saw on stage two, he gets caught, out sprinted, maybe the same thing happens. I doubt it. But say those names again, Spencer.

So we have Narvaise, Chikone, who else? Ghana. Got to be only because it's his hometown. He's not going to stay with the group on that climb. It's going to be difficult to be there on that steep part. Although, you know, a shorter effort, he could probably come back. And he would have to catch back on because actually it is an important note. The climb.

You know who I think can win tomorrow, Spencer? Ben Turner can win tomorrow. Interesting. Yeah. From the break or from the Peloton? From the group, like being there and coming back and winning in the sprint. Yeah, that's interesting.

Could happen. So there's a kilometer of rolling terrain before the descent. So if you're Ghana, if you're Ben Turner, that helps you. because it's not you're not just going over the climb dropping down there's a little bit of power terrain there ben turner is at is he even on the board oh yeah plus 1800 that's pretty good so you're going scaroni plus 2 000 plus 2 500 ben turner plus 1800 yeah yeah yeah okay i'm gonna go narvaez and scaroni yon christin did we see him or is he he's just he's out of rhythm because of the crash to be struggling a bit.

It did go down pretty hard also. I don't remember which stage, but I don't think so. You almost never see guys that look off like that come back, especially young guys come back in the form. And what do we see today? You called it, who was dropped first? Manet was dropped before Ghana. So we're starting to see age and experience.

Before Milan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ghana was dropped. Yeah. or very early. A guy like Milan does, you know, he does have the endurance and the engine. That's, you know, anyways, I think Manier still did well. I mean, he fought for it.

He was dropped quite a bit earlier than Milan and still made it straight away back into the group of Milan. So that was a good effort. There was even a point where they, Manier dropped everybody except Milan on the descent. It's like, I don't know where you going there? Like, let's just stay in the group, guys. What are we doing? It shows you they really, like that's a panic move thinking I can get back on. I can do it.

So he did believe that he could get back on. But Johan, we'll let you go. We'll be back tomorrow for stage 13. And then we'll be previewing stage 14, which is going to be a big stage. Okay. Thanks, Spencer. Okay. Bye.