THEMOVE - Amstel Gold 2025 Breakdown | THEMOVE

Episode Date: April 20, 2025

 Lance, George, and Johan break down the 2025 edition of Amstel Gold, which produced one of the most exciting races of the season, with Mattias Skjelmose taking a shocking victory over Tadej Pogačar and Remco Evenepoel in a three-up sprint. The trio discusses the key moments of the race, what mistakes Pogačar and Evenepoel made that left them vulnerable to the upset, if this surprise win shows that rival teams are successfully adapting their tactics to combat Pogačar's long-range attacks, and what this means for next weekend's Monument Liège-Bastogne-Liège. Pique: For a limited time, get 20% off for life plus a free Starter Kit (rechargeable frother and glass beaker) when you grab the Pu'er Bundle. With Pique's 90-day money-back guarantee, you've got nothing to lose. Try it now at https://www.piquelife.com/themove and feel the difference on your next ride. AG1:  AG1 is offering new subscribers a FREE $76 gift when you sign up. You’ll get a Welcome Kit, a bottle of D3K2 AND 5 free travel packs in your first box. So make sure to check out. https://www.DrinkAG1.com/themove Maui Nui: Maui Nui offers the only 100% Wild-Harvested meat that's completely stress-free and responsibly sourced. It's perfect for anyone looking to elevate their meals with delicious, high-quality protein. Maui Nui Venison is offering THEMOVE listeners a limited collection of our favorite cuts and products. But...supply is limited by the nature of their work, so don't wait. Check them out. https://mauinuivenison.com/lp/THEMOVE?utm_medium=podcast&utm_source=show_notes&utm_campaign=THEMOVE&utm_term=THEMOVE&utm_content=landingpage Square: Square keeps up so you don’t have to slow down. Get everything you need to run and grow your business—without any long-term commitments. And why wait? Right now, you can get up to $200 off Square hardware at https://square.com/go/THEMOVE. Run your business smarter with Square. Get started today.      

We're seeing these phenomenal riders, right? And I've said it a few times. I think they are their own worst enemy. You know, their strongest enemy is themselves. Because they're used to doing these big raids, these big demonstrations and fun. I mean, sometimes it happens. We've seen it with Van der Poel.

We've seen it with Tadej. You know, they go out and they think they have it. And then finally they run out of gas. Well good morning everybody and happy Easter. Welcome back to the move podcast talking about the 2025 Amstel gold race. Certainly a race I love. I love this race. I always, I loved doing it. Even had the world championships in that part of the world in 1998. Felt very similar to an Amstel Gold Race. It's, I think it's a beauty.

The fans are great. The Dutch folks are great. Super nervous race, right? As we all know. Speaking of all, of course I'm joined by my fellow Easter bunny, Mr. George Hinkappy. Hello, hi Easter. Where, you're at the lake house I see.

Correct, yes. Yeah, just put me to the ball. And is it nice over there? Beautiful, it was 85 yesterday, sunny. Oh yeah, I'm in Denver visiting my daughter, Grace. And it was snowing two days ago. So you guys can imagine just how I feel about that. Yeah. I was wondering why you're all winter geared up.

No, no, it's cold. It's cold outside. Look, it's 43 degrees outside right now. Huh? And another Easter bunny, Mr. Johan Bernal. Johan, how are you? Wait, hang on a second. You're in Spain. Do they celebrate Easter there? Of course. Of course. They do? Happy bunny, Mr. Yohan Berniel. Yohan, how are you? Wait, hang on a second. You're in Spain. Do they celebrate Easter there? Of course. Of course. They do? Happy Easter everybody.

Yeah. Yeah. Why wouldn't they? Nah, I don't know. I'm just messing with you. An incredible and surprising. What a surprise. I mean, this is why they put the numbers on. This is why they do the race, right? This looked like I was watching

going, Oh God, what are we going to talk about? Tati Pogo, try rides away with 40 K to go. He's the best of certainly this generation, maybe the best of all time and lo and behold, they caught him. Remco and, and Skelemosa, certainly the biggest result of his career, although he has had results. We will talk about him as we get into the action. But before we do today's show brought to you by Peak. Right now as a cyclist,

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Bogey is is just does bogey things. And by the way, I mean, this is a very hard, nervous race. The weather was the weather cooperated at this race. God forbid you roll this race in the rain and temperature in the 40s or 50s. It is awful. The weather looked great. So nonetheless, it's still a nervous race and it just caught up to it. Yeah. And it's a hard race, you know, 250, 250 K. What I think happened with Bogacar is obviously he was motivated to win it. He had his team control the race. Um, I think today we saw a good study Bogacar, another great study Bogacar and, and, you know, looking at what he's done the

last few weeks, this is the second part of the classic season, right? So we have Flanders, Roubaix and all the other semi-classics in between the Cobalt, Northern Belgium, Northern France classics, and then Amstel, Fleche and Liège. Totally different cycling. And usually it's different riders, only Pogacar can do everything. But I think today he's just a little bit in between. He obviously had the ambition to win. I personally think he got surprised by the attack of Alaphilippe. In my opinion, he was going to try to attack on the, on the Kreuzberg or the, um, the Aysenbosweg who do, do difficult climbs. Uh, and, and actually, you know, when Allah Philippe went, um, there's something that

I noticed in Pogacar that say, okay, he's okay, but it's not the usual super Pogacar. He was a little bit like shocked. I don't know if it was a surprise or a shock to his body or because he wasn't prepared for that attack, but he didn't look as fluid as usual. And then, and then once you're in front, I mean, uh, then he went to me without even trying. He dropped a la Philippe. Then he was out there by himself. And I think it caught up with him. And I think you may have a point plans that, you know, the fueling may be an issue. We've seen this already. Let's not forget,

we've seen this once in the Tour de France, when he got caught by Jonas in one of the stages, and he lost in the sprint against him. That obviously he recovered from it. But, you know, these long, long solo rides, I mean, you have to be really strong and to do it over and over and over again, it, uh, it takes a lot out of you. So, um, I'm pretty sure that we're going to see a different Bogatja in there and, and flesh and liege, but today, um, listen, he's still on the podium. He's still second. Uh, but it's not the usual dominant Bogatja we've seen from the, from the early

races. And what we did see, which George, I just love you jump in here, but this is, you know, this was playing out the way, the way they've seemed to play it out the last couple of years. This was an exciting race. Like we, and of course, we're all on the group chat going, you know, does he, does he get caught? We're watching the GPS, watching the time gaps. And I think we're all, nobody says it in the group, like, oh God, I hope he gets caught.

But we're all sitting here going, can we, can we please just catch him and see what happens in the bike race? Can we just let this play out with two or three or 10 guys, doesn't matter. But it ended up being a hell of an exciting race. Yeah, I mean, I'm not so sure it was a fueling issue because I think we've just gotten so used to seeing

these guys be so dominant. They go with 80K, 60K to go, and then you never see them again. I think what we're seeing is some of the guys are starting to come up in their level. Remco Evanepoel second race back from his horrible crash, I don't know, five months ago. Maybe slightly come into that climb when Alaphilippe and Pogachar rode away a little bit, not great

position. But I like the way he kind of held back, used his teammate, which we were discussing during the race, like why is EF doing so much work? Why is Little Truck doing so much work? Later we found out they ended up winning. But I feel like we're going to start seeing some tactical changes where they're going to start expecting guys like Pogachar, these top three dominant guys, be able to ride away in the last 50K. So what would we do back in the day? We'd be like, we have strength

in numbers. Why not we just let this guy go, get 10 seconds and try to keep... I mean, guys, teams like EF, Lidl Trek, they still have a solid representation in the group. You use them later on once they're in a defensive position, then using them offensively, essentially working for a guy like Pogatr. I think we're going to start seeing change in tactics like that. And now we're going to see the rest of this Classic season be super exciting. I mean, we got Remco on his way up, still Mo's and Leto track now super motivated, confident, poker chart is going to want revenge. He doesn't like losing the next couple of races are going to be really exciting.

Well, that's right. And I, I, if I just, just as a, uh, an observer, I thought there was all kinds of tactical errors. Right. I mean, I don't look poker chart does what pokerar does. So going with Al Philippe, we just thought that was it. Just use that as a little springboard to riding away. He doesn't need to go with Al Philippe. It's been years since he was on the front. But then as he's getting caught,

I think the real mistake here was with Remco, right? Clearly super competent after his sprint victory last week over Wild Fan Art. But this is a very hard race. He crashed earlier in the race, let's not forget, right? This just, it takes something out of you. Then to come back and then to immediately go through a rider like Tadej Pogacar, full gas. What are you doing?

He was definitely even going into the sprint. He essentially pulled up the whole Kalberg on the way of the last two kilometers, let the guys go through once in a while, but he was doing the brunt of the work, also chasing down Pogacar. But like you said, Lance, I think he was just, I mean, it's hard to criticize him. What an incredible comeback. He's already won and gotten third in two huge races. But I mean, he did not even ask for a pull in that last kilometer and was so confident that he was going to win and still did a great sprint. But these guys were both, I think they were just on their final. They were all on their final matches and scale was even shocked himself.

Not only did he shock the world, but he shocked himself. Yeah, they were. He said that in the interview. Yeah. They were empty. They were empty. No, I think, I think to come back on a guy like Pugacar, you know, and we were seeing this, these phenomenal writers, right. And I've said it a few times. I think they are their own worst enemy. You know, they are, their strongest enemy is themselves because you know, they're, they're, they're used to doing this big rates that these big demonstrations and find, I mean, sometimes it happens. We've seen it with, with, uh, mother pool. We've seen it with today, you know, they go out and they, they think they have it. And then finally they, they run out of gas, you know?

Um, and a guy like Remco also, um, he's used to just always riding, riding, riding. I mean, obviously great, great motivation after a Friday's win against, against Wout Van Aert. I think third place for him in the Amstel Gold Race. Let's not forget, it's also the first time he participated in the Amstel Gold Race, Remco Evenepoel. He didn't know the race. So I think it's very promising for what we're going to see for the rest of the season from him. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I mean, listen, I'm still is, is a mix. I'm

sure we all know absolutely is a mix of, you know, the, some of the guys from the Flemish classics, like, like this is their last race. And then the guys for the, for the art dance classics, it's their first classic, right? So, uh, the three guys up front, I mean, they're, they're really amazing. And, you know, we all said, okay, scale. Moza was the least of the three. Uh, we expected to win, but let's not forget, you know, he won the tour of Switzerland. Uh, he won the tour of Luxembourg. He was 15, the Vuelta last year won the white Jersey. He's still, he was still white, a young rider last year. Yeah. He's only 24. Yeah. And, um, so, you know, um, also really, really great. And he did a really good tour

of the bass country comes out of tour of the bass country with great form, which none of these other guys have done. So, um, sometimes, you know, the, the, the guy who least expects to win, uh, all of a sudden you come in situation, you see, okay, these other guys also have no more legs and here I am and I'm winning. And Johan, correct me if I'm wrong, he didn't have a bad crash in Perignies, right? So he was also sort of on the comeback trail. He did. He did have a bad crash. He hit his head quite hard and had to abandon.

He was the leader of the team. And, but I could see last, I mean, last week, I mean, two weeks ago in tour of the Basque country, he was already on good form again. Yeah. He's definitely not a Panacocca. No, no, no, no, no, no, for sure not, for sure not. And what we also know is that he definitely gave one of the best in post-race interviews of the season. Man, after our own hearts,

three or four F-bombs. Yeah, I mean, he didn't know what was happening. He was there, okay, what's happening to me? Well, he said that. He's like, I was just surprised, but that's the thing. And he was very descriptive on his conversations, uh, with rimco that look, I just can't pull. I don't have anything, but that's neither here nor there. That all gets thrown out the window.

When you come down and you find yourself still there and coming into the sprint, you got a sprint. Yeah. And you can clearly see, you know, on the call, but he was in his mind, you guys sprint? Yeah. And you can clearly see, you know, on the callback, he was in his mind, he was riding for third. He just didn't want to slow down. That's exactly what he said. So he came into that sprint, essentially no pressure, podium spot secured.

So why not just sit there and try to go around these guys? I mean, incredible that you can, and one thing, I'm not even sure Pogachuchar was factoring him into the sprint. He was kind of looking the right of his shoulder saying, I got this. I just came by Remco and then Scalmo's last minute on the left side. He was probably pretty shocked to see that. We'll get into more of the action and talk about some of the surprises, because there were some there were some names

that were prominent today that we've we've never heard of, which actually actually I haven't heard of a lot of these names. But when Johan says, wait a minute, who is this? Who's this guy? And so we're all doing a quick search up of who he is. And it's always cool to see people pop their heads up and riding, this is a huge race, right? It's not a monument, but it's close, right? The only thing it lacks is those 30 or 40 years

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Louis Barry. I, I said it on the, on the chat and I never heard of him. Then I checked his results. I mean, he has some results, but it's obviously the first time we see him in the front in a big race and especially a race of more than 200 kilometers, 250 K to be there and finishing sixth. For Inter Marché, that's obviously a great result. So somebody we're going to need to follow. Still young, relatively young, 25 years old. But I was surprised.

I had never seen anything like this from him. So it's strange to see him, but great to see. And also, two guys I really want to point out that, that I really liked their performance, although they're in the final, they had to let go on the, I think they got dropped on the last time the Colbert, but, um, T-Bone Nays, the son of Sven Nays, 22 years old, first time he's in a big race like this. Um, I think he'd never done a race of 250k. Watch him for Flesh Wallone. He's going to be a top three, top five.

And then also another guy, Joe Blackmore, 22 years old also. He already showed great form in Flesh Brabanson. He was with Evenepoel and Wild Van Aert. 22 years old on Israel, but a name to follow. Great result. They're 12th and 14th, but they were in the final until the last time of the Kauberg. So I think very promising riders. And let's not forget, I mean, we're used to seeing this guy win, but the last five races he's done, two second places, three fourth places, wild band art. I mean, he's doing an incredible spring campaign, obviously, you know, less than he's probably

hoping for, but what consistency now he's showing the sort of strength on a completely different terrain and doing it in the mountains and the climbs now. So what a great spring he's having so far. Also hit the deck today. So you never know. Yeah. And I was happy to see at least for the first time this, this year he wins a sprint, which is important for him.

Against Michael Matthews. Beats Michael Matthews after a long race. Yeah. I think the good thing for Walt one artist that his condition is obviously quite good and that he tends to get better during long races. So obviously that's something for him to take with him. And I have no doubt that, uh, we know obviously he comes back from really far. He had a terrible crash in the tour of Spain. Um, at the end of the season,

he already came back from a really terrible crash in the spring last season. If you see pictures of his knee, it's unbelievable. It's crazy. I have no doubt that by this summer, we're going to see Walt von Aert on full gas again. I agree. Do you guys think this was the most exciting classic so far this year? Yes, no doubt. I know it was for me. No doubt. There's no doubt. I loved our text exchanges where like I was finally right next to Johan and Spencer where

I was like, I think they're going to catch them. They're like, no, they're not catching them. But it came down to the wire and just super exciting. This is the type of racing that we love to talk about. So it was just fun. Super fun to see. And I think we'll hear more. I mean, I think Tadej will, he didn't, they didn't show any post-race interviews. He's always, as we all know, very transparent. We'll see what he says. I mean, if it was a nutritional issue, a fueling issue, he'll say it. My sense is it was, but yes.

I disagree. I disagree because he still had a pretty incredible sprint. I mean, if you have a fueling issue and you're running on fumes, I don't know if you can sprint that good. I mean, coming around Remco, Evan Poole who just beat Wildman Art. I just think these guys, these guys is level.

Remco and Scalmos was right there or even better. And tactically they were able to work together. Scalmos even said, he sort of made a deal with Remco, like, look, please don't drop me on the clients, pull up the clients and I'll help you everything I can on the flats. So they had an arrangement, which I mean, the Chasers have the advantage,

we all know that. And they worked out perfectly for him. Pogacar gave an interview and he said, he feels still tired, not recovered from Paris Roubaix. I think I understand. Uh, it takes a lot of you, you know, this George, you know, usually if you focus on Flanders and Roubaix and then you have to go to Amstel, it's like normally you're already empty. You do it because you have to do it, but you're not fresh anymore. We've said this before. So go ahead, Johan.

And he also said that he was surprised with the attack of Alaphilippe. He shouldn't have followed him. He said no, but he did. So well, he had a strong Brandon McNulty there. And I know, I don't know how legitimate this study is, but they did this study, I don't know, 15 years ago, where they measured muscle breakdown after a race like Paris-Roubaix and it was worse than running a marathon. There's no other race in cycling that will do that kind of damage to your body. And Pogatar's first pro-Roubaix rode it like a champ all the way to the finish line. I know from personal experience, obviously, I'm a completely different level than any of these guys, no matter how good I was in Flanders and Roubaix.

And you still think you can kind of hang on to that form for Amsoil. I never did. I was always like, you know, 80 percent compared to my 100 percent at Roubaix and Flanders. It's just really, really hard to recover from that race. And he keeps going. Dion, you said in the pre-show he's going to race Flush for Lone and Liège. Yeah. Well, that's the plan.

You know, I'm kind of thinking, you know, after today, I don't know if they're going to skip Flush. I would agree, Joao. I agree. Come on. That's too much. I mean, if you think George, you know, I mean, after Roubaix, he basically, he could hardly train this week. You know, you have, you need three days to recover.

And then what can you do to small rights? So, and it's a completely different way of cycling. And it's, I mean, it's a different, different sport for Rubé and Flanders and the other races. I agree. I would, I would be surprised if they sent them on Wednesday to race. We're not loading. Go ahead.

Yeah. I think their goal was to win the three, you know, I'm still fleshly ash, like the triple are then whatever it's called, um, his team boss, auto genetic did that. Um, I don't know what the year it was. It was 95 maybe, or don't remember which year it was, but, uh, five maybe or don't remember which year it was, but he won. He won.

He went, he went in 1995 or not. Who won 90 Pascal Richard won 1990. He said, beat me in 96. 96. Yeah. Yeah. So that was 95. Yeah. So obviously that's not possible anymore.

So if I would, them, I'd skip flesh for sure. Well, it is possible. Well, he can't win. He can't win. It's possible that Skellem could. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Skellem was second already at flesh for load. Yeah. By the way. Yeah. It's neat to panic.

Yeah. He panic. I ain't panic. You know, I don't like to call out the panic. No pancakes. No pancakes. No pancakes. No pancakes. No pancakes. I don't like to call out the pancakes, but this is the Amstel Gold Race. Excuse me. This is the most important one day race on the Dutch calendar. Of course, we came across this too many times in our heyday, Johan, with team Rabobank and

Eric Decker and Michael Bogard. This is, they live for this race. It'll be, might perhaps be different as Robbo bank re-enters the sport next year with this Melissa bike this summer, by the way, this summer, but you know, coming into amsel, but nonetheless, boy, bad day for the Dutch. Oh yeah. Matthew Vanderpool doesn't raise. Obviously he is incredible. He's he's one of the he's on the Mount Rushmore right now. Top Dutch rider, 26th place and only five finishers. Cycling is cyclical.

It just is. Yeah. Well, I think I think today cycling for for for the Netherlands is it's Matthew under the pool and then a big gap. They do however have a lot of young young riders coming. But for now, take away Matthew under the pool. And this it's a, it's a huge gap. There's nothing.

And they still got fourth as a team. So there's not all lost for them today. Yeah. I mean, Visma got fourth with Van Aert for sure. And eight with Benoite. So they have two guys in the top 10. Um, but, but not Dutch guys. Right.

Belgians. Right. Three Belgians in the top eight. It's not bad. It's not bad at all. George, I see Enzo's, uh Perry Rebay is getting articles sent to me. I know it's running on Apple news. Yeah, I mean, literally, literally running because he was running.

Is it really? Yeah. Speaking of the sheriff's, he sent me an article from Apple news. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was, while it was a great experience for him, he got tough time early on a couple of crashes, bike mechanicals jumping a spare bike and his spare bike was not working and ultimately ended up falling apart with 2k to go. But he ran to the finish line and you know, as a father, I'm sure you guys can imagine, like you see a bunch of guys roll in that he was ahead of 50k, like 40 K from the finish. And then you start worrying his parents were very

the most dangerous race. And then he runs onto the track and it's like your heart just stops. And it's like, I was like, I need to get him a bike. So I basically stole one of his teammates by the other side of the track and gave it to him. And he was, he was, he was pretty shattered, but what a learning experience. Yeah. All right. Anything else? I guess we can, we will be back on Wednesday for fleshful alone. And of course, next Sunday, Sunday for the age, most of the age, yeah. Be nice and early for me. I'll be in Hawaii. Oh, nice. We middle of the night for you. Oh, God. Don't for me. I'll be in Hawaii. G Oh, nice. It'll be

middle of the night for you. Oh, God. Don't tell me. Um any other takeaways. Just excited for the next couple of races. I mean, we're finally starting to see like not that much dominance by the top guy and um some guys coming. Listen, the ash is different. I don't know. I think after what we see Remco done the last two races, he's going to go in there with even more fire to win that. I agree.

It's setting up perfectly. I hope so. But I still think that Pogacar is going to be back to his usual for the ash. Yeah, he has to. And no Remco for Flesh? That's a question. No actually, I don't think so. I haven't seen anything but let's see quickly.

Flesh will own. Anyways. Yeah, he's on the list. Wow. Yeah, he's on the list. Great. Great. I mean, with coming back from that injury, I mean, he's going to want to race as much

as possible. It's like he's doing a real midi as well. And it might ultimately end up being the perfect build up for the Tour de France. Yep. Agreed. Somebody who has been injured in the beginning of the season and once he has no more problems and he has that kind of qualities, I think Remco is going to be great today. Like for, yeah, Dauphiné maybe or Tour de Suisse and Tour de France, he's going to be okay.

So we're going to have to wait till Al comes to see if you're picked for Liège. I mean, I'll wait until I see if I races or not. Yeah. Okay. You know, people nice top three. Oh, nice. Okay. All right, folks.

You heard it here first. All right, everybody. Like I said at the top, happy Easter. Hope everybody's having a great holiday weekend and fellas, thanks for being here. Everybody, thanks for tuning in and we will see you all Wednesday for Flesh for Loan. Thanks guys. Bye.