THEMOVE - Amstel Gold 2026 Breakdown | THEMOVE

Episode Date: April 19, 2026

Lance Armstrong, George Hincapie, Johan Bruyneel, and Spencer Martin break down Remco Evenepoel's win at Amstel Gold to get his first career win at the race, defeating defending champion Mattias Skjelmose in the process. They discuss the key moments of the race and what it means for the upcoming clash next weekend between Paul Seixas, Tadej Pogačar, and Evenepoel at Liège-Bastogne-Liège. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team NordVPN: EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/THEMOVE Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee  

And here's the other thing. And now with that set up, and I think it's, look, I never, I finished second twice, one time to Michael Bogart, another time, Derek Decker, lost to both of them in the sprint. We didn't finish here. But they were still, they were, they deserve, they deserve to win. With this version, finishing on top, I mean, it would take just such an extreme scenario where the best man did. didn't win. I mean, Remko, Venipal, won today. He was the, by far, the strongest rider in the race. He deserved to win. And he won. And so, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I like watching bike races where the best man wins. Okay, everybody, welcome back to the Move podcast, talking about the

2026M still gold race. Let me tell you, I loved this race. Such, I mean, such, such a great race the people are great the course while it has changed over the years it's just such a it's a very hard race very technical um oftentimes weather can play a factor certainly win can play a factor they had a version of this race in the 1998 world championships that i did uh just a great race in such a cool part of holland fun one fun what to do back in the day and a fun one to watch joined by Spencer Martin over there. Boulder, dude. That's Boulder.

I'll be in Boulder tomorrow, dude. Got to embrace the lifestyle when you're here. Yeah, bro. I'll have some tea down at the coffee shop. And Johan Brunel. Where are you, y'all? You're in Madrid, right? I'm in Madrid, yes.

All right. How are you? Pretty good. Pretty good. Okay. You're looking fit. I'm training, man. I still have, I still have my challenge on with Spencer, you know,

it's restarted in January. You have no chance. Who? You? Spencer's strong. I saw it. You wanted a 17 hour a week, two weeks ago. Do nothing.

It's crazy, man. Yeah. No, he can handle the gravel, too. I won it last year against Spencer, and I'm on my way to winning it again. Well, it's just a mileage for the year. Kilometers, total kilometers in a year. Oh, okay. And Johann is putting in the kilometers.

Do you guys remember when you'd make fun of me for riding too much? Now you guys have these awards who does the most mileage. And I'm riding probably less than any one of you guys now. And that one talking is the star of the show, George and Kathy. George, welcome. Thank you. Great to see you. Lance, tell us why you loved Amsel so much as opposed to, I know you always did well in Liage.

You did Flanders with me a couple times. But why Amstel? Well, outside of the, Well, I guess to start, when people think about Holland, as I did for many, many years, do you think of this country that's just completely flat? And of course, there's always wind all over the country. But you just think of these, you know, the canals and the bike paths and Amsterdam and a place that's just pancake flat. And then you get to this part, this little corner of the Netherlands.

which is the Limburg region, which actually isn't that far from Lijj where we'll be next weekend, or the Ardennes, as they are known. And it's very, very hilly. And the roads are narrow. You have to be in position. Of course, nowadays, I can't recall the last time we did a spring classic in the rain.

Just watch it on TV. But that was always the assumption 20 years ago. It's like, well, we know a couple things we know it's going to be hilly we know it's going to be windy and we know it's going to be raining so we have to it just makes the fight for position to to you know to be at the front before these really tough climbs because they're they're very narrow so if it's if you're not at the front um you know it's just very difficult so i i loved that also it was just starting and Johan, you'll know where I'm going here.

It was, it's just that time of year where it's, and I think we actually even described it as this over the years where that was sort of the first checkpoint. That's the first test. Yeah. Yeah. Like where are we? Where's, are we competitive? Are we on track for July?

It was just, and it helps that it's a race that you really want to do because you could have these checkpoints at places that you don't have a connection to. But that was. always the first one. And for whatever reason, I just always enjoyed this really great relationship with the Dutch people. And of course, Leo Van Blyte, who's been the race director there for 30 years, this was his 30th edition of the race, this 30th and final edition. He's now stepping down. Tom Dumilana is taking over. He was always lovely. Congratulations to him for having just a great career. and really building a race that, you know, this is not, when you think about cycling and you think

about the monuments and you think about the spring classics, right? Of course, you've got San Remo and you've got Flanders and Roubaix and liege. And then this one is almost in a way been the red-headed stepchild, but it's become a classic. It's that special. It has all the makings of a classic. Of course, through the years, had had incredible winners through the Dutch glory. years and the glutch, not just from the writer's perspective, but from the teams going all the way back to PDM and Buckler and Rabobank. And this was a, this was their race. They had to win this race.

Now, that is, I suspect, no longer the case. But boy, this was the second biggest race on the calendar for them. And some could argue maybe the biggest. I don't know. It was just, I always, I always loved doing it. I always got excited for it. and fun to watch. I mean,

and nothing, you know, of course, the course has changed over the years, as has, as have many of these, uh, it still kept its character.

It's still damn hard. You still have to be in position. Uh, I love the finish up the Cowbird. Like I think that's, you know, in many ways, you want,

I mean, they, they, they copied a little bit of the, the, the Flanders model. Flanders, of course,

you have the old Quermont. We're going to go over this, uh, numerous times. We're going to set up this, this experience at the finish and they did that with a cowberg. Yeah, it's the same. I mean, if you look at the people on the coming, already in just before that corner,

then all the way up, it's, it's a natural arena, right? I think the cowberg, they do it three times in the race, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, the atmosphere there is crazy. I mean, I remember when as a cyclist, but then also being there with ULans and the final of the race. I mean, the noise when you hit that corner, it was crazy. Yeah, the grandstands there. Yep.

And here's the other thing. And now with that set up, and I think it's, look, I never, I finished second twice, one time to Michael Bogart. Another time, Derek Decker, lost to both of them in the sprint. We didn't finish here. But they were still, they were, they deserve, they deserve to win. with this version finishing on top i mean it would take just such an an extreme scenario where the best man didn't win i mean remco venipal won today he was the by far the strongest rider in the race he deserved to win to win anyone and so i mean as far as

i'm concerned i like watching bike races where the best man wins yeah for sure yeah i mean i think I think, you know, maybe people were a bit, I mean, at least the Belgian fans, you know, like I got messages from people during the race. Yeah, Remko is going to leave. You know, he's going to go by himself. That didn't happen. He did the majority of the work once these three guys were away. But I think, as we said many times, you know, especially when you're two guys in the break,

you know who's the strongest. And it was clear for me during the race, but then also confirmed after. after the race in the interview of Skel Moser that he knew he had no chance. He was happy with second. And, you know, he had settled for second already. So I don't know if Remko, if they had talked, if there was an agreement. Remko didn't really need to drop him because he's more explosive. It was a little bit of conversation.

I don't know if you noticed that a little bit of back and forth at the start of the final time up the Cowberg. And I'm just sitting there going, I wonder what they're saying. But then I kind of thought about it and I said, I know exactly what they're saying. I mean, Skilmose is saying, I'm fucked. I'm fucked. Don't worry. I'm happy to get second or some version of this. Like, Rinkgo looked great.

I mean, and one could say, and of course we were in this pattern of going, why would anybody pull with Pogachar just sit on the wheel? This is not that situation. No. And Remko knew exactly what was going to happen there. and Scullmose is probably pretty dang happy to get second. I agree. I mean, he won last year,

he was still there, said he grew up watching these races as a kid. So be there, you know, amongst it at the final. I think it was still a huge success for him today. Well, yeah,

big result for him. I mean, in his back, a little overstatement, but his back's kind of against the wall in that team. You know, they brought in someone to do his job, which is never great.

When you're a GC rider, and they spend a ton of money to bring in a GC rider that they think is better than you. I think you probably didn't sit that well with him, Johan. And I think today was a big statement saying, hey, I won this race last year. I got second today. Like, I'm still the man in this team. He was there, man. I mean, listen, he was, I think the moment Remko went.

Actually, Gregor went first, no? And then Remko puts up over. And then Remko dropped Gregor smartly, right? Because he's so fast. And he came, Scalmosa came from like fifth, sixth position. So he went up. You could see he was on a good day. He was on a really, he was on the limit, but he was not really,

I don't think he was ever in trouble of, or about to get dropped. And you know what? I mean, the fact that straight away he took the decision that whatever he could, whenever he could, he did his share of the work tells me that he was settling for second. And it's a great result. I mean, listen, if you win the year before, there were, I've seen some interviews from from people. By the way, one of your

good friends, George Philippine Bear, said that a little track should definitely forget about Skiyel Moser. He had no chance in this race and that they should gamble on who was it on Craig Anderson,

who haven't seen by the way in the race. You know, these are the little things that motivate somebody and he showed he was there. You know, he was, he won it last year. today he was the second best of the race. Yohan just can't help himself. Right, George? I'm just saying the truth.

I'm just saying what I read. Well, I mean, I feel like these days too. It's gotten so so competitive, so important. Like you're on the podium of a World Cup race. It's still a big deal for these teams, even though he won last year. And you could see, you know, people just think that these guys just arrived there in that position. we all know from first-hand experience how difficult that actually is the position in battle, the thousands of corners in Amsel Gold Race, the small, tiny roads, how dangerous they are.

We unfortunately saw Juergensen have a terrible crash. Hopefully he's okay, but he laid there for a while. And I mean, they could just, you could just lose the whole race in one little slide like we saw those guys. I mean, if anybody just is really, really bored on, and I mean anybody listening, I'm not asking anybody on the show here to do it. But if anybody listening sitting at home just has absolutely nothing to do. go find one of the riders strabophiles from today just zoom in count the turns it's it's especially towards the end it is turn after turn after turn didn't seem as stressful today

maybe the maybe the lack of rain was there the field seemed a little thin yeah but it's also it's also the speed lads i think you know like for for me Me, for example, I mean, I do have flashbacks of back in the days where we said, you know, positioning and the whole bunch going to a critical point did not happen today. You know, it's so fast. I mean, if you look at the average speed, I mean, 43 kilometers average, and it's 3,400 meters of elevation in total. I mean, it's like there is no more fighting for position because the moment they get there,

they're all dead. I mean, there's 10 guys that can still go. And we saw one acceleration and that was it. Yeah. Let me just, let me just, sorry, Yohan, let me just for the folks who don't think in meters or kilometers, that's 11,000 feet of total vert with an average speed of approaching 27 miles an hour. For six hours. For six hours. 11,000 bird.

The one big difference. 27 miles an hour. Sorry. Yeah. This World Cup, we saw San Remo. 50k or 30k to go there's four guys three guys we saw you know flanders one by one by one with already 40k to go we saw ruby was done with 80k to go essentially but here we still have essentially a peloton with 55k to go which is the one difference even though it's super hard like the riders are still there

working together working for their teammates so it's it's different in that sense that riders can stay together a lot longer in this race than the cobblestone races and the Chippresa for instance. Yeah. Well, I mean, we should also shout out Jan Trattnick. Man, he set that thing up. It wasn't a lot of

drama going to these corners because Red Bull shredded this race. And then we needed one acceleration. George you mentioned, Mattel Jorgensen crashing. There was a five-rider group that made it clear with Kevin Vaclorn, Roman Gregor, Jorgensen, Evan and Paul Schalmoza. Two of them crash out.

Vacquinsen and Jorgensen. And Johan, do you think the race is any different if they don't crash out or is Remko winning this no matter what? It would have been different, yeah. I mean, because I think I think Jorgensen there was a goal for him. I think he came there in really good shape, came from the altitude training on the Teide. Vauclain is obviously also a writer that this race suits him well. So it could have been different. I don't know if it would have been a different winner.

I don't think so. I think Ramco quality-wise is still a little bit ahead of those guys. Although we have to say Jorgensen, when he won Piranese, he did beat Ramco Avenapur, right? But hey, I mean, Fouca Lian looked like he got back up on his bike. Jorgensen stayed on the ground, looked like shoulder or collarbone. George, do you have any information? No info, yeah, but yeah, he was there for a while. But didn't look good.

well I mean they replayed the crash on the coverage I was watching I mean that's does not look good and he stayed down yeah he just didn't get

I mean classic collarbone I mean when they replayed it there was nothing to break the fault it was he was on the bike and then he was on his shoulder like that looked like which of course is so common in the sport

but I saw that and that ow not you know for sure he's not getting back up and then you start to be concerned with with time off the bike yeah yeah well i guess if it's just collarbone those guys come back and like come back but but but we're sitting here watching a race thinking he's going to be a fact yeah i did think about that um just think about that group though i mean to be that's an exclusive group a double peri preenice winner rimcoe a pole schelmoza defending champion reguar and vuclun and that that's it right at 42k to go like There's not, and then think about the winner, Remko-Evnappol, is the last person that's not Remko, Vanderpull, Wattvanar, or Pagotra, to win a major one-day race, as Schelmo's the last year. And then before that, maybe Phillipson at San Remo. It's the same guys every time because these races are so hard.

Let's not forget the season that, well, the momentum that Visma has right now and also Ineos. I mean, they've won a ton of races this year. So in their mindset, during that, they made that final selection. They have perhaps a lot less. pressure from their team, but they have a ton of motivation with the way, how well their team has performed throughout the year. So they were, in my opinion, in a definitely winning situation until the crash for sure. Yeah, yeah. Let's take a little commercial break. Hey, everybody. Today's episode is brought to by NordVPN, which has become a must have for me to keep up

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I mean, he finished third, but so he missed the initial break. I didn't even know he went to UAE. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he did. And he was already really good on Friday in Flash Brabanson, Brabant-Sapel. Was second in this race a few years ago, photo finish with Michael Kiatkowski, if you guys remember. But he did all the work.

There was this one, this other French writer from EF who gave him some turns now and then, but he did everything. Everybody else was sitting on. And finally, he wins the sprint for third. I mean, two minutes down. So I think that also shows you the difference between those two riders and the rest, but still a great third place for him after doing all the work in the back. Yeah.

And UAE just can't help themselves. Just got to be on the podium. Like in the best way. I'm not deep. They've actually been in a slump. For UAE's normal performance, like Ennio is closing in on them on the win rankings. It's unheard of in recent years. Well, don't they have like 10 guys out with injuries?

Yeah, they have like a lot of guys. A lot of their key class of guys. Yeah. The interest, at Remko's interview at the end, one thing stood out. They asked him about, they asked him, obviously asked him, if he was going to do liege, which he pretended to be on the fence. We're thinking that's not the case.

Flesh, well on. did they i the interview i don't know if they were talking about flesh or or anyhow yeah she's well what was interesting um was the the entry of paul sasha's already in this conversation because it was being billed as this three-man battle between remco pogachar and now paul sation like this this kid overnight not overnight but in a year is is and you guys have all the numbers to back this up apparently this is the real deal Holyfield

but that was he's in the conversation boom yeah he's yeah what he's what he did a pay Basque I mean it's just incredible pogachar is

I would say he toyed with everybody he did whatever he he was whenever he wanted and then you know there's obviously the data also I mean I guess this the one The one statistic I think we all hang on to, Spencer, is this climb he did when he won that race in France there in the beginning of the season. And he did a few seconds slower than Pogacar on the same climb.

What was it? More than seven watts for playing. I have it pulled up right here. Yeah, it's 16 minute climb. He's dropping strong guys like Mateo Jorgensen and Lenny Martinez are getting shot out the back like the juniors. This is a teenager, by the way. 7.2 watts per kilo on this climb. This was 40K from the finish.

He soloed to the finish, increasing his gap that whole time. That's scary, folks, if you're a GC rider out there. You don't want to see that. It's scary. Not only the numbers are scary, but to be able to continue on on the flats, the downhill in the flats and not show any weakness there is even more scarier. Yeah, he won't race with three minutes, I think. You know what?

You know what? Listen. Listen. However, I mean, I know it's to your point, Spencer, it's scary if you're a GC rider. Let me say it another way. If you are a couch potato like all of us, oh, baby, this is good. Yeah, yeah, it is. Like, let's go.

I agree. It may not be this summer, but it's next summer. Yeah, we have to, I think we have to wait. You know, there's a lot of debate, you know, obviously he's French. He's on a French team. Good. He's going to do the Tour de France, right? This year, personally, I think it's a mistake to send him already to the tour.

I would send him to the Vuelta with, you know, a full team around him, super support and see where he gets in three weeks. He, for sure, he wants to go to the tour. It seems to me that he is already the guy calling the shots in the team. So he will go to the tour. But I think we should give him some. you know, be a bit patient because, I mean, France is crazy now about it with him. I mean, even, you know, there's these discussions of him maybe leaving the team after the end of his contract in 2007. French President Macron had jumped in and made a statement that he wants him to stay on a French team.

I don't, I mean, there's a lot going on. He's still 19 years old guys. And they're talking about potential 8 million euro contract. that's what his agent is asking for 2008. That's wild. He is a great cyclist, but let's not burn the necessary steps. I'm curious to see what he can do in three weeks. I'm sure he's going to be fine.

I agree with you, John, but I think we should also point out the present too. Like historically, if you do a full gas San Remo, full glass flanders, full gas for bay, you're not going to be that great in Leah's best only as. Now we're talking about a freak of nature in Pocatechard. I'm sure, it's great. But technically speaking, Seychos is a much better preparation with Pabasque, you know, the Hilly stage race for next weekend. So if they're in fact kind of close, you might want to put your money on Seych

because of the lead up to that race. I mean, you do a Hard Rubet. Shit, you can be completely exhausted for two weeks. Obviously we're talking about Pocachar completely different specimen. Bogachar made in a small adjustment spans. George, he skipped Amstall, which was last year maybe his least strong race because he went, he got real back in, didn't win. I think it was already crazy to, you know, to do San Remo, Flanders, Rubet, and then still be in the win for Amstall. That's very rarely seen because they're completely different kind of riders.

I think with two weeks, I have no doubts, but I'll have going to be on. I mean, I hope Sechus is close. I mean, he was, I mean, we were there. We were there, George, Strad Bianca. He was the last guy hanging on to put my car on that climb. But, yeah, Liash is different. It's a monument. You know, it's 260-something kilometers, different, different nano.

And does Jonas race? No. No, he's not, yeah. It's too smart for that. Well, yeah, I mean, and he keeps, you see the story about him, everybody up in arms because he was in Tenerife training with no socks on and had like a speaker on his bike.

He had a boombox on his bike. And these people, these fucking bike nerds are just like, you can't do that. I was like, shut up. Shut. Actually, shut up. When you win the Tour of France a couple times and ride like that, you can do whatever you want.

Okay? Shut up. not just won the tour beat pagetra at the tour yeah i mean i saw the i saw the clip i'm for sure i think i think it was sepcoust the posted it up with the no socks i was like yeah baby he was filming i yeah yeah i mean i don't know him at all personally but i i'm i'm convinced he could not care less about what people think the guy just does his own thing i ride i i often not often But from time to time, fairly often ride with no socks. Let me tell you something.

Feels good. It does. Especially if you live in a hot place like here in Austin. Dude, it feels good. Like, whatever. Full triegeet look. I love it. RIP, the shoes, though.

I feel sorry for Anna when you put them shoes in the house. I just, I mean, we have a garage. These guys ride with ankle socks, right? I mean, they're not riding with no socks. They're riding with no socks. Well, then he's not done it right. Then I'm going to join the comments and tell him he's not doing it right. I don't care about the speaker.

I think, although the choice of music, what? But just do it with no socks. It feels so good. It was, was it Remos last year in the tour that all of a sudden showed up with ankle socks? Yeah, yeah. In the stage two, what was it, where Pugaccha won. That one stage where Pagacchard won. Yeah.

The Odecom stage. But, Johan, so it is, it's different, right? It's a monument next week, liege, long race. Paul Sejaws is done well in monuments. No, top ten at Lombardia last year. It wasn't even a full pro season. 30 European Championships. 13th at World Championships road race, 270K long as a hard race.

and he was following Pugachar when he attacked. So I wouldn't automatically ride him off just because he's young. Yeah. In that case. But do we think Remb – how do we think Rembevonapol does? Today's winner next week at Leage. I personally think he's going to be good, but he's no match for Pogachar. I mean, today he was the big favorite, the best quality rider.

Logic has been respected. He won. But I don't think that this performance, of Remko is up there with the level of Pogacar, especially not in Leia. Bastogne, I don't think so. The only thing that's a lot different compared to last year for Remko is, well, last year, first of all, he started really late because he had that crash and broke his shoulder. And I think Liesz was his third or fourth race of the season, not that that matters anymore

nowadays, but he was completely out of position. He was on his own, like, he started La Rodot in 40th position. This is not going to happen this year with the team he has. be brought to the bottom of a lot of dudes in good position that's going to that's that changing obviously great motivation now the morale must be incredible after today's win uh but i think i think poggarsar had two more gears i'm going to disagree with you hon i'm just just for the sake of anticipation and excitement i think the way we're we're seeing you know guys actually starting to be poggars i was like maybe we don't need to go toe to toe with him pulling for pull for pull for him

and we're in breakways. Maybe they kind of sandbag and not pull as much now and just think more about getting to the finish line faster. Remko's had a really good build up to this week, and I'm sure this week is super important for them, as we just saw today. And then we have sexos in the mix. So I think it's going to be quite interesting. Hopefully, Pocatechard is not just right away from them, and we have a really exciting finish like we've seen in the last couple of World Cups.

Bless you, Your Honor. God bless you. Yeah, bless you. So, big, big, today was a big, like, things circled on Quinn Simmons calendar. Like he said, he had an interview a couple months ago, said he was skipping Flanders, all the Cobb classics to go all in on Amstel Gold. Finches 28th can't be, I cannot imagine that's what he, that's what he was aiming for.

What, any tips like, are you, would you guys change his calendar, changes approach at all to these, to these one-day races? I would say no. I mean, we saw last year he was really focused on the world as well. Didn't have a great whirls. And then week later, he basically did one of the most impressive breakways we've seen all in 2025 season in Lombardia. So I would not definitely not count him out for next week. It's a one day race.

Maybe he just didn't feel great throughout the day. But I would think he's going to get better or better throughout the week. Yeah, off day, off day. Is he, I'm trying to open up. I'm trying to start a conversation here about. So he's like 10 kilos heavier than a lot of these guys he's competing against. Is he doing the wrong type of one day race? I agree, Spencer.

I was going to say I would love to see him in the Cobled Classics. That's what I was trying to get here. I just only think he loves the Cobble Classics. I know as a junior, he did the Junior Rubei with, you know, Luke Lumparty and it's a really incredible junior USA team. And I think that was his only one and said he probably never wanted to go back. So he might just not be a huge fan of the Cobbles. who knows.

It's a huge, he has to do so much more power than everybody else in these races. Mathematically, it's an uphill battle. You know who's a really good Roubae writer is his little brother, Colby Simmons. He's done it twice, finished inside the timeline both times. The funny thing is, Spencer, I mean, we're talking about, you know, him being 10 kilos heavier than these guys. I mean, he looks big on the bike, right? But if you stand next to him, I mean, I've seen him in his suit in the world time. The guy's tiny.

His waist is like this. He's so skinny. I mean, he cannot be any lighter. You know, he's a tall guy. Yeah, that's the, the tallness really starts to hurt you. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't hurt your organson normally.

Yeah. And Seychast is pretty tall, isn't he? Yeah, he's tall. He's too tall. That's the only thing going against him. We were looking back. You feel like the tallest tour winters. I've read somewhere, I've read somewhere, an expert who was saying, you know, let's not

overhype sex? I mean, whatever, I don't know where he got the information. That's not overhype him because he's still going to grow. He's still going to grow a few centimeters. And maybe he may be too tall. Where would you get this information? I don't know about that. I think you're done growing north and south. Yeah. No. What do you mean? Am I not going to keep growing? No, at 19 or 1920, you're not getting I'm not, listen, I'm not some evolutionary,

whatever. I feel like that's it. I don't think you all, you don't have a growth spurt at 20. No. And Johan, I mean, if he does keep going,

it's an issue. But how did we, how does this person know this? I have no idea. I don't, I don't remember who it was either, but was somebody saying that, you know,

he, he, he anticipates he can still grow a few centimeters and that's going to be a problem. I don't think so. Where are you? What rabbit hole are you going down on the internet? That particular side, I might just, don't go to that one again. Whoever says, no, no, no, no.

Any, no, no. Okay, well, I hope to make it next weekend. I have to fly to Hawaii for a conference. It's just hella early there. But now that you guys are sitting here talking about, we are talking about this, I'm like, damn. I mean, it's kind of like a two in the morning set up for me. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. For the show or to watch the race? Well, to watch, I mean, you would, if you wanted to see, yeah, if you wanted to see the bulk of the action, that would be 2 a.m. Oh, that's hard. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So I might miss the bulk of the action. But it sounds amazing.

Could be a great race. Yeah. I was trying to look up that none of these betting sites have the odds up right now. Drafking doesn't have it. If you just, nobody has any preliminary odds on Lange. I thought that might be interesting. Do you guys want to, speaking of that, do you want to guess the Twitter front's odds right now? It's crazy.

Pagachar is minus 390. Yeah. As we sit here right now, I would not bet that right now. Too many things could happen between now and July. That's not. That's a bad, bad bet. What about Banga Guard? Plus 400. Not terrible money, actually, if you believe in the one I've, I've already bet on Paul

Sechast to win this tour de France at plus 1,100. That's the, he's the top. He's the third top favorite. Is there somebody between 400 and 11? Evan, Paul is same money. So they're tied. Yeah. No.

Not going to have. We'll short that one. That's, yeah. Hmm. I mean, Jonas is the best bet there. I mean, if you were going to risk $100 to win $400, that would be. I think the only way he says Chas can win if something happens with Jonas and Pogacar. That's the only way.

He's not going to beat both of them. I don't know about that. I don't know. But Jonas is doing the zero. He's not going to be... I mean, anything could happen to him. And being at 80% of his strength, he's going to win the zero. That is true, by the way.

I'm with you, Johan. I think Paul should... I love this idea of taking the strongest team they can take to support him in a race like the world. And just kind of just do a dry run. Yeah. Like, this is three weeks. This is a great team. Um, see how he responds.

They have a strong team now. They have built a strong team and so, you know, in the meantime, they can still reinforce for next year, you know, based on the extent of the welcome. Yeah. Look, there's a world. Of course, our, our great friend Matthew Rickettello is now on that team. I've watched this sort of unfold. I mean, there's a world where he plays a big, but this kid can climb.

This kid, he could be sort of win. Great win. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. be a fun part of that story do you guys know who did who did what johan and lance were talking about went to the walta focused on that showed up next year when the tour de france uh out's yeah that's exactly what poguchar did won three stages finished their overall worked out pretty well for him there's another guy yeah yeah sitting here on the screen i remember i remember that is the fourth place right at the welta yeah i didn't win it yep but you know i mean i think that's a nice thing about that strategy, Johan, laid out is you don't, it's less pressure on you to win it. And then you're just rehearsing for the next year at the tour.

Yeah. Okay. Well, congrats to Remko. Easy win, man. Great, great win, but easy win. I mean, he's got to love everybody. Everybody was happy. Yeah.

I think if you would ask Rempe, if it was an easy win, he would, he probably wouldn't say. He wasn't. It's clinical. He was called. But still, he suffered. Everybody was happy. Scho Mose was happy. Everybody was a frog-fiving.

And as you say, Alain, I think, you know, when I finish the show with like congratulating Leo von Vlique with his 30 years of the great director organizing it, great race. I know, I mean, I know Leo, I've, he's a house in the south of Spain. I meet him sometimes there. And he's this super passionate guy. And, yeah, he's, um, he's, um, He did a great job.

Yeah. Shout out to Leo. I agree. Awesome. Awesome. All right, everybody. Well, thanks for tuning in. Hope everybody has a great Sunday.

We will, we being most people on this show. George, are you doing the last show? You got to do it. Oh, daddy. All right. Dang it. You don't do it. Similar time.

How many? Do you ever do the race? Like one time. I think just one. All right. I better get up. Gosh, dang. You got second,

Lance in English, right? I think I got second. Don't ask these questions. I don't know about these. I won the, I know what I won. Do you remember who won? Pascal Richard.

One of the biggest class writers I've ever seen, by the way, Pascal Richard. Yeah, he could phone it in, for sure. Super talent. Yeah. Olympic champion. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Dude, just be like, just not even, you're like, is this guy even race anymore? Show up. Of course, back then, you know, fuck, no helmets. That was the glory days. Like when people were like, dude, these motherfuckers are cool. Watch this.

And he was just greased back. Yeah. Bro, you still race? He still rams. Makes Max Chandrae look like a junior at the Olympics in Atlanta. Makes me look like a, like a, like I just born. Like I just learned to ride a bike in Lillez. just like, yeah, I'm here.

How about it? If you would see Pascal Richard now, he is still, he looks the same. He's equally fit. I thought you were going to say he's 300 pounds. Thank you. If you could see him now, he wouldn't even fit on this screen. We can't have him on the show. We were going to have him.

No, that's, oh, okay, good. That's super super class guy. Sweet. Do you guys know we got third at that liege? Janetti? Yeah. he's been tall who's got the memory now for the old

wow yeah I can reminisce with the best of them um okay thanks for turning in