THEMOVE - Are Visma's Attacks Rattling Pogačar? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 10 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin welcome on tactical mastermind Johan Bruyneel to break down Simon Yates' ride to win the tenth stage of the Tour de France and to explore the reasons behind the attacks by Visma–Lease a Bike in the GC group behind. They also discuss Ben Healy's incredible ride to take the overall race lead, the re-emergence of Sepp Kuss as a mountain domestique, the impressive performance from standout young rider Oscar Onley in finishing with the lead GC group, and whether Tadej Pogačar should be concerned about regularly being isolated from his UAE teammates when Visma increases the pace.   The Feed: You heard it first on THEMOVE. A better morning for only $3.99 and our listeners save 20% today. No code needed, the discount is automatic. Go to https://thefeed.com   Zwift: Zwift just made it easier than ever to get on the virtual roads. All Zwift-ready trainers come with the new Zwift Cog and Click installed, making them ready to ride from the box - no extras needed. Zwift-ready trainers start at just $299, meaning anyone can jump into world-class indoor training without breaking the bank. No excuses. Just ride! https://zwift.com   Ekoi: The entire EKOÏ website is currently on sale until the end of July, with discounts of up to 60%. It’s hard to find better deals! Special offer With the code THEMOVE15, you get $15 off any purchase of $150 made on the EKOI website until the end of July. https://ekoi.com   Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove   BUBS Naturals: Check out the BUBS Collagen Club Welcome Kit with over $100 of FREE perks when you sign up for a subscription. This includes a 90 day supply of Vitamin C, coffee mug, mix wand, and more. And Use code......THEMOVE for 20% off your next purchase. You can stack those savings. Go to: https://www.bubsnaturals.com/discount/THEMOVE and use the code THEMOVE for 20% off.   Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

Fantastic stage win. Ben Healy, into yellow. First Irish rider to be in the yellow jersey since... 1987. 1987. That's incredible. And only the fourth Irishman to wear yellow. And the first Irishman ever? Shea Elliott, 1963. And then 1983 Sean Kelly for one day. Please follow a very, very good line of people. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the MOVE Podcast. I'm Lance

Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins and Mr. George Hinkappy down there to the left. And also today, we are joined by Johann Brunel. Johann, can you hear us? Hi, guys. How are you doing? Great to have you. I know you have, and I'm really curious of your thoughts today just from a strategy standpoint, primarily with these two teams, UAE and Wiesma. We got our boy Spencer here.

We got, of course, this is a lot. This is a lot to keep. Yeah, we got five of us today. Yes, it's a lot for the kid from Plano to keep up with. Incredible win by Simon Yates, following up on really what's been a tremendous season for him, winning the Tour of Italy, coming back, had not looked that good in the first half of this tour. Really, it's been a week, a little over a week. Fantastic stage win. Ben He, into yellow. First Irish rider to be in the yellow jersey since 1987. That's incredible. And only the fourth Irishman to wear yellow. And the first Irishman ever?

Shea Elliott, 1963. And then 1983 Sean Kelly for one day. He's following a very, very good line of people. As is the case each and every day. the Today Show brought to you by Ketone IQ, presented by Ketone IQ. George, I know we had dinner last night and you were going pretty hard on the grape juice. I'm always gonna call that. How'd you sleep? I slept like a baby.

Same here, I slept like a baby as well. So last night, Matt gave me this stuff at dinner and I actually took it before I went to bed. It tasted great, and I had my best sleep score on my Oura Ring, which I'm realizing I just left in my car, on my Oura Ring since I got to Aspen, which as you know, sleep struggles here, but best sleep score since I got here.

Same, my buddy Matt from The Feed actually created it to fix his own sleep problems, and it's called the Dream Shot. And I forgot how good it feels to sleep so good, so soundly. Yeah, it launches today on The Feed. You heard it here first, world premiere on The Feed. You heard it on the move. So as I get older, it gets harder and harder to sleep.

When I was 20, 34 years ago, I didn't even think about sleep, but even young Sir Bradley here needs help sleeping. What do you know what I liked about it? That there was no pills, no melatonin. It's tart cherry, magnesium, a few more things and something that's really cool. Matt said there's a secret new peptide that stops you from waking up and puts you back to sleep once, if you do. Well, tart cherry is the hot new thing in the tour this year. You see all the riders included Taje, Jonas, drinking it right after the stage, and they say it helps reduce inflammation. Don't forget to feed the animals. What I did notice last night was that when I woke up to go to the bathroom, like as you

get to my age, you do that a lot in the middle of the night, I fell right back asleep. There wasn't a problem at all. Well, I'm taking these ones. Available today. You heard it here first on The Move, a better morning for only 3.99, and our listeners could save 20%. Today, no code needed. The discount is automatic.

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than when he raced. And you said, what'd you say, 20, 25 pounds? Yes. I would not have believed that. And then, so of course I contested this. There was a scale in the gym and he got on the scale. He is right, this is shocking. When you see him on a bike, looks like the same guy.

Yeah, I'm the smallest guy on this panel in terms of yoke-ness, but I'm trying, trying to keep up with you guys. You know what, hang in there, kid. Which is funny, because they gave me, like some reason people gave me the nickname Big G, which next to you guys I'm not. We got Sir Bradley Wiggins.

And I don't know if you all know, we got a new nickname over here. Lance Sharkfin Armstrong. What is going on with this haircut over here? You got the big shark fin going. I got a profile, do the profile view of that. Look at that. I mean, whoa.

That's next level. Baby shark, shark, shark, shark, do do do do do, baby shark, do do do do do do, baby shark, do do do do do do, baby shark, baby shark, baby shark, baby shark. Thank you, Lizzie, for joining me on that one. Let me first apologize to Johan Bernier. The man sets aside time in his day. He hasn't even said anything. He's still mad at me for the other day, I think.

What could he possibly say? There's nothing to say. First, I'm gonna talk about this, the hair thing, and I am sorry, Johan. I thought we were gonna talk about tactics and strategy. Oh, we are, don't worry. Mistakes, perhaps, but in then, all right, listen, I know we've had, and it's true, I don't read y'all's emails, I'm sorry.

I know there's been a lot of comments about the quaff. Listen, I don't know, at least I got hair. People say to me, oh wow, you really got gray. And I look across the person that said it has no hair. I'm like, excuse me, you don't have hair. So everybody just back off. If you like it, thank you. If you don't, back off.

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Let's go. Yeah. And coming up next week on The Move for week two of the Tour de France, George is starting a GoFundMe for his bike team. So he can sign Quinn Simmons and set course. Yep. You should hear what he says as we watch the, oh, maybe I'll buy that pro license. Maybe I'll sign the poach that rider.

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until the end of July with discounts of up to 60%. It's hard to find better deals. Special offer with the code TheMove15 gets you 15 bucks off any purchase of 150 or more. That's over at Ekoi.com. All right, now let's get serious here. Talk about the bike race. Johan, how are you?

What's up? Yeah, I'm good. He's like, he's sitting there going, hey, when y'all are done goofing off, we had a very hard stage today. We, in fact, we did. Can I just say one thing before we talk about the tactics and the strategy? I am, and I said this the other day, and I've said it anytime this kid has been in a bike race that I've been a part of on this show.

I am such a huge fan of Ben Healy. This is one of the toughest bike riders, bar none, in this peloton. Kit always tries, he's always up there. He deserves the yellow jersey. Amazing. Absolutely, I mean, the stage you did the other day, hardest stage of the race at that time. Now today the next hardest stage is still

there in the breakaway. Not only that, but we had four guys in the breakaway which was really cool to see. And actually EF did not go out with the intention of getting the yellow jersey. They were going for the stage win. But that's what makes the Tour de France so exciting, so dynamic is it's just, it's such a tactical game that evolves so much throughout a stage. And I thought today, Johan, correct me if I'm wrong, did UAE like try to keep that under control? I don't think they could.

I mean, I have questions about what UAE was doing. I have questions what Visma was doing also, but in UAE's case, I personally thought that they were pacing too hard. I would have let that go. I mean, there was no reason to, even if Ben Healy takes the jersey with five or even 10 minutes, it would have made their day so much easier.

They would have made sure that now they were pacing hard, in my opinion, just to give the jersey away but not by too much. And I think they were risking a bit because, you know, Pogacar was isolated in the final. Didn't really matter. And I think they know that it doesn't really matter with a finish like this. But still, you know, if you give this break a lot more, for example, Ben Healy today takes the jersey with 10 minutes, let's say, would have been a dream scenario because they would have then they have EF pulling for dear life. The day after the rest, the stage to Hota Kam and maybe Ben Healy wouldn't lose 10 minutes on Hota Kam and they still have a team

pulling whenever they want. I mean, I think you guys remember one year when we were with Postal in 2001, when we gave the break 30 minutes. 30 minutes. 3-0. Yeah, I was going to point out, Johan, you were always very calm with these gaps. I'd be the one like, are we sure, guys? Are we sure? Like, that's kind of a lot.

And you're going to be like, calm down, Jordan. It's going to be okay. Yeah. Yeah, I actually today I went back and I looked up the final result of that Tour de France. And so the guy so we gave the break. Simon, right? It's Francois Simon took the jersey. Yeah, he finished 17 minutes down in GC. And the one that was in the breakaway, who was the closest in GC finished fourth,

it was Andre Kivilev. Sazlick passed away. And he finished almost eight minutes down. So, I mean, obviously we can't compare, but I think it's safe to say that Ben Healy is not a threat for the top five or for Pogacar. So I would have let it go a lot further. But anyways, they know what they're doing.

You know what the other cool thing about that story, Johan, is Francois Simon is still sending me to this day Christmas cards. Wow. Because that, my friend, was a Christmas gift came early. Yeah. What'd you say, you're on 10 days or two weeks in the yellow Jersey, right? Maybe 10 days. Fruit baskets.

But Johan, would it also not have been advantageous for UAE to let the gap go out because what was in that break, two riders from Bisma. So I have to think they did it so they could use them after a Jonas attack. Wouldn't the move to just be let them go as far away as possible so they're no longer in the race? Actually, I don't even really understand why Wiesma is putting riders in the breakaway on this stage. Well, yeah, Simon, sorry, Johan, go ahead and then I'll give my... I think the first purpose was to try to win the stage. I think that's always a plus. I

mean, if a guy like Simon Yates goes in the break on a stage like today, it's for the stage win. Kampenaerts, hell of a ride by the way, by Kampenaerts for his profile of a rider to be up there with all these climbers. And he came in handy at the end because he dropped back, did a little bit of work. But, you know, having those two guys in the break didn't really do much for Visma today, I think. Of course, they had the stage win. That's not that I mean, that's Visma is not here for stage with they're here to win the tour. So in the in the overall strategy of trying to crack Bogacar and UED having those two guys in the break doesn't do much.

But Johan, let's I mean, let's talk about what it may do. Spencer pointed it out briefly before we started the show is the morale of the team. Now they have a stage win. They got some pressure off of them. They had Sepkus, kind of the resurgence of Sepkus. Jürgensen was amazing today. I don't know, I think they go into the rest, they go, you know what, we're still in a good fighting position here. We got a stage win. Let's regroup and start the second half of the tour on good morale. Bradley. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Mentally, it's definitely a win for them. They also, I mean, it didn't bring any result, but they were able to isolate Puglacar.

So that's a win. They will build on that for the next stages. I know Bradley has the thoughts on this and I'll come over the top. to win. They will build on's what they've been telling us in the press, don't forget. And they've been telling us how they're doing and what their goals are and how they're looking to isolate Pugaccio and UAE. But I thought they are clearly now individually as each rider, they are the strongest team in the race, but they're not utilising their strengths, I don't think to the best of their ability. I didn't agree with their tactics today. I thought the way they rode today was a bit all over the place. Um, and I don't think they're riding to the best of their strengths really, but on paper, it seems that they've had a good day. They've won a stage now, which supposedly takes the pressure off them as

a team. I mean, if they don't win this tour, finish on the podium, then, then it is a disappointing tour no matter how many stages they've been. That's right. Okay. I got my opinion on this. I agree. I agree, I also think they were all over the place today, but you get a guy like Simon Yates just one to zero. He's had his shitty first 10 days of the Tour de France. All of a sudden he wins the stage, so his season's done. He does not have to do one more result.

But in my mind, he's gonna be even more motivated to help Jonas out. And Jonas, by the way, had Sepp Kuss coming back today, Matteo Jorgensen. The team that he had today, I think, now with Simon with the stage win, the Giro behind his back, I mean, think about the damage a motivated Simon Yates can do for you against UAE.

I mean, to me, it's a win-win. Well, go ahead, Lantz. No, I'll want to, look, here's another thing they know. Because they wouldn't have seen it in the race, but they're going to watch it tonight on TV. They're going to see that little acceleration that Tadej Pogacar made in the last kilometer in the saddle, explosive.

His face looked like he was flipping through the channels on Netflix or whatever, on Peacock. And there's only one guy that knows what it felt like to try to stay on that wheel and it was Jonas. So that's the guy that matters. To your point Bradley, either winning the tour or finishing on the podium, he is the guy to do that. Yeah, the other thing is when they crossed the line, Jonas put his hand out to congratulate Tadej like, you know, like he was pleased that he'd actually stayed with him, which I thought was odd as well. If you, you know, they've been building this up the last few

days, you know, like he, he got in the way of my bottle and all that sort of stuff. And butthole. Well, when Jorgensen was, excuse me, this is kid's show. Don't, don't, don't, don't. I mean, you can't say butthole. Oh, bottle, bottle, BDOM. Oh yeah. When he got in front way of his bottle, trying to take his bottle during the feed. And you said something else, you know, and there's this back and forth of this sort of child, you know, throwing toys out the pram. And then today they kind of have this sort of big day where they're doing these half-hearted attacks and putting 10 meters into him. And then, you know, was Jonas supposed to be on the wheel when they did that? And then he wasn't so set back up again. It was all a bit. Spencer keeps saying they're trying to like increase the kill jewels. Todd Day is spending

guys on a day to day basis. Is that their only hope or what? But if that's the case, why is Matteo Jorgensen on the, he's the tallest guy in that group. He's on the front. You know who's on his wheel? Tati Pogacar. What is going on with that, Johan? Yeah. I mean, the only guy that can actually put some pressure on Pogacar is Matteo.

I mean, whatever Sepp Kuz does, whatever Simon Yates does to try to harden the race, it's not going to affect Pogacar because Pogacar's gonna be on the wheel even if he's by himself. It doesn't really matter. I mean the only thing that can happen when Tadej is by himself is if he has bad luck, if he has a flat and he has no teammate, or if he's by himself in the mountains and he has to go himself back to the bottles. That's the only thing that's gonna affect Tadej strategically. If it's, you know, bound for bound the strength,

it doesn't matter. But if they have to profit from Tadej's misfortune, if he does have a flat, then I think that says everything. Do you know what, how we know Tadej wasn't taken today seriously or wasn't worried? You pointed this out. This is fascinating, folks. Listen up. He was on his heavy, heavy aero worried. You pointed this out. This is fascinating, folks. Listen up.

He was on his heavy, heavy aero bike, not even on his climbing bike. Two pounds heavier. And it just got rated, don't blame me, Penner, not Collin Hargo, but an independent study just rated it like one of the worst bikes in the Peloton. Okay, so he's out for a transit. But you know, here's-

We need to put that link on our site. So here's my impression of Tade Pogachar is is and I know we get you see what you see on TV kids comes across amazing gives great interviews smiles all-time laughs high fives you know hugs hugs these other guys you know handshakes all this nice stuff that kid is a stone cold killer. Yeah. And this is, and he is, he is keeping receipts. Yeah, he is gonna get isolated. I think we can all agree. Homeboy is keeping receipts in this first eight, nine,

10, 11 days into the mountains. And they are gonna come do, I mean, they got a little nibble today for a kilometer. I like this teddy. I'm totally with that. This teddy is different to the animal we've seen in any other year. His demeanor off the bike is called arrogance, but also confidence in the way he's holding himself. Also Bradley, I think what we see this year compared to the

other years, even last year Bogacar made more mistakes. He makes no mistakes. He's trying once and then whenever he's riding conservatively, he's not spending any energy. I mean, if you would look at his power files, it's crazy how much less energy he spends than the rest. It's unbelievable. That is unbelievable. Johann, you are over in Madrid, so you're not seeing this, but we are going to take a quick commercial break for Peacock. We'll be back in two and thirty-two. All right, everybody.

Welcome back. Again, Simon Yates wins the stage, and I just wanted to mention his third career stage win on the Tour de France. Spencer, you pointed out he hasn't won a stage in the Tour since 2019, right? Yeah, I believe he was, y'all correct me if I'm wrong, was he off the front when the stage got canceled? Was that him?

He was with Bernal, yeah. Oh, the mudslide? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Also, one of the older, we talk a lot about how young these guys are. This old boy, Simon Yates, is 32 years old.

Primoz Roglic, 35 years old, sneaks his way into the top 10 today, quietly making his way up. Another emerging great story, and we've talked about him a bit, is this Scottish kid, Oscar Annaly. He looks, he's not just up there in the GC and in the results, you're seeing it. He's factoring into this race. I think this is developing as a really cool story

for this tour. I saw a great picture of Oscar from 2013, stood at the roadside in Brittany on holiday with his family in a sky jersey, watching the race come past. And here he is now, 12 years on, 13 years on, in the top 10 halfway through the Tour de France. Yeah, and shocking, shocking the world.

I mean, we had to look at it, we were like, whoa, whoa. We also, I just think we should point out, four out of the five Americans in the race played a huge part in the impact of the outcome of the race. I mean, Quinn Simmons was there, Nielsen Palace was doing the br impact of the outcome of the race. I mean, Quinn Simmons was there. Nielsen Palace was doing the brunt of the work in the breakaway for Ben Healy. And then, of course, two guys, two Americans leading up the final climb, or the second to last climb, Sepkus and Matteo Juergensen.

When was the last time we saw two Americans leading a group of 10 guys up one of the hardest climbs of the race thus far? Yeah, well we've been curious on not so much how Sep Kuz will ride this tour, but when he'll show up and look great today. Yeah, like we said, we were wondering, we were speculating whether or not they just kind of gave him the first 10 days off. Okay, you just stay out of trouble and we just need you from day 10 on. And I feel like that was the plan because today we finally saw him back at the front. I loved seeing it and I think he's just

going to get better and better. We can see more and more of him moving forward. Question for you, George. So I think it was 20, 23 stage six or seven. Sepp Kuss does this weird thing that he does today where he goes off the front and you're like, what is he doing out there? And Vinigard attacked up to him, dropped Pogacar. Do you think that's what, was that what he was doing today? When he kind of- I think they're sort of, they're just testing the waters to see, you know, okay, let's just play around here. These aren't, these aren't like the the most iconic races or mountains by any means in the Tour de France that are coming up. But I feel like they're starting to test the waters a bit and see if they can start isolating him or doing some damage to his teammates.

And yeah, I think that they're setting it up for some big attacks in the big mountains. We can only hope. Yeah. But you know what? The only person we've seen do a big attack is Tadej. Yeah. And I tell you what, you don't want to push that man to do that. Okay.

But I'm thinking that's actually not a terrible thing. Johan, let me see what you think about this. The fact that we haven't seen Jonas attack, is he maybe just trying to play possum, waiting for the big, big mountains to do that big attack like he did the year that he won his first Tour de France? There's for the moment, first of all, there has not been any opportunity for Jonas to attack. Anytime there was a possibility, it was today setting the rhythm. And every time Jonas has been hanging on for dear life. You know, today also there was at some point it's an acceleration that I said the difference

with Bogacar this year is that he tests a bit and when he sees he doesn't get a gap, he does not insist. It's not up to him. It's up to Wengingagard to attack, which is in my opinion, the strategy that Bogacar and UAE should adopt, you know, just let Vingagard attack. He needs to get time back, right? So let him attack, follow him. Anyway, if Vingagard attacks, there is nobody else going to be there. There's not going to be Simon Yates, there's not going to be Sapkus, there's not going to be any Jorgensen if you're not

attacks. It's going to be the two of them. And then you just counter, it's simple. Personally, I think Visma, what I'm seeing from a distance, right? Is that today, for example, I think I agree with Bradley, they were all over the place with their tactics, they were trying every single thing. And I feel like there's too many people making decisions.

I know they have external advisors and YouTubers who analyze everything and on the phone with them. And it makes no sense, man. And listen, tactics are not that complicated, you know? And at the end of the day, it's the people in the race who need to make the decisions and actually the riders sometimes on the bike because they are the ones who feel the situation the best.

But on the other hand, Johan, they are trying with Jürgensen to say, okay, let's see if Pogatar is going to chase down Jürgensen every time he does. He has thus far, but let's just move forward a couple of days, fast forward to when we get to the big mountains. Maybe they give Jürgensen a little bit of a gap and then maybe we see Jonas finally put in a big attack. That combo, if they get a little gap on Pogchart, although I agree, unlikely, that would be super exciting and potentially very damaging to Pogchart.

You're forgetting about this uphill time trial. I mean, this kid, I'm talking about Pogchart, he is coming with the heat of a thousand suns in this uphill time trial. So whatever, that's not a bad idea, but you're going to have to factor in all of these names that you just mentioned. I don't know, minutes. He's going to put minutes on some of these people. I think even before the uphill time trial lands. Yeah, that's right. But he knows that's coming. He's coming. In Hott to come. I think we're going to see the situation.

And to your point, George, of, you know, Bogota are chasing down Jorgensen. I have not seen him chase him. Now he's always straight on the wheel. I mean, he's like today. Well, he reacts though. Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, but if Bogota reacts, Jonas has to react to it. It's, you know, it's the same kind of acceleration.

So for the moment, why don't see any damage. Why didn't he react when Remco went? Because he doesn't worry about it. He doesn't care. Did you see Remco when Tadej attacked? He didn't even stand up. No, straight off the bat. And just something to note, I can hear people in the comments

saying, oh, Tadej couldn't drop Jonas. So Tadej is going to lose his tour. You know why Tadej sat up? Because he didn't want to get the yellow jersey like that's how in control he is you didn't want to keep the yellow jersey or he didn't have it? He wanted to get rid of it for the rest of it yeah he wanted to give it to Ben Healy like that's that's a level of control that's impressive. But that also contradicts then why is he attacking full of gas with 2k to go? Just because he goes. Because he's that's that's they have

like get back in your box. Got it got, got it. That's just a little reminder. Yeah. By the way, too, Spencer. I'll watch your whole family dinner. The professor is not the only person in the world that knows he was riding a slow slash heavy bike today. They all know that. That's just a little something, something like, hey.

Yeah. Harder. This is what you got coming. Know your place. Yeah. Sit down, boy. Just for the record, it's not that heavy. It's a bit heavier.

Is that a colonoggle behind you, Johan? Johan, Johan, a lot of this is Hollywood, so we just kind of build it up like that. It is heavier than his normal. You're right. You're right. You're right. The hair is, it is bad. I should.

Give us a profile of that. Look, there's this stuff sticking up. I don't know. I just, look, I got out of bed, I went to the gym, and here I am. Y'all chill, man. But, Yon, if I was, you and Lance, let's say you guys are going for the tour and I'm your bike sponsor and I show up at the bike that's a pound heavy, you guys would not be happy I assume.

If I had a choice I wouldn't ride it. What'd you say Jan? But they have the two options. So I mean actually it speaks, I think it speaks volumes that Bogacar today isn't riding that bike because he didn't consider it as a real mountain stage. Because of the average speed. I'll take this opportunity to remind people, it's 15,000 feet of vertical climbing. Right. It's not a true mountain day. It's in the messy central.

These are all category two climbs. Still, 15,000 feet, and we all know this, that is just considering how much that bike, every time you stand up, or every time you pedal, bike moves forward then it was back moves forward and was back that's that all adds up he's that I mean look he's that strong he's that confident and I insist all those other riders saw that but if we just come back to where we began so it's not a real mountain stage he doesn't consider it important why is Wiesma then putting riders in the breakaway for

Jonas to attack up to if it's not an important stage. I think we answered that. I think, you know. I don't think they know. Yeah. Well, Dan, a guy like Sammon Yates, I mean, he's such a good climber. It probably wasn't such a difficult feat for him to make the breakaway.

And then why not sit there and get a free ride to the finish and get a stage win? But it's not a free ride because Vezra Campenaerts was setting the pace. Yeah, he was. Well, I think Campenaerts started setting the pace when they realized they have a real shot of winning the stage. That's when he started setting the tempo. Yeah. But also, George, I want to, you know, and Simon said it also in his interview, you could read in between the lines,

you know, Simon Yates is good right now, but he's not at his best. This is not, this is a good Simon Yates. It's not a great Simon Yates. That's right. You know? Yep, yep. You can see it with the difference with Arnstmann. You know, he didn't run away from it.

Whatever, he's a class rider. I mean, we thought for a hot second, he was gonna make it back to him and then we were gonna have this, the stage contested between those two and he just couldn't. Simon Yates knows what he's doing. He has the experience.

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Who did get the points there? So it was, the sprint point was Anders Hallen Johansson, brother of Tobias, I assume. And then the finish, it was obviously Simon Yates. But if Pogacar would have won that stage, Milan's like in the hot seat on the green jersey. Well, he's got 227 points, Pogacar sitting at 163. And could pencil him in for, we don't know how the mountains are going to play out, but

it could get dicey because we don't have a lot of sprint stages left and we have a lot of mountain stages left. And it would submit intermediate sprints, but he's going to be poaching those, right? The other little special mention, Lenny Martinez. Back from the dead. Back truly hats off to him. And this guy was, I remember he was polka dot jersey.

His grandfather had the polka dot jersey, won it in 78, didn't he? Yep. So, uh, went on Bastille day in 1982. Yeah. Yeah. Or 1980. Especially how he was on that stage one. He finished with the broom wagon. Yeah. So you're on there. They're in the center of France right now, basically.

Let's talk about like the evacuation plan because they got to get ready for the rest day. They're probably all heading south towards Duluth. Um, talk about how complicated that was for you guys to get that all organized. because they gotta get ready for the rest day. They're probably all heading south towards Toulouse. Talk about how complicated that was for you guys to get that all organized. Well, I mean, for the riders, it's the easiest because you know, whether they, whether they, I'm gonna guess now they go by bus, right? But at some point there's planes or trains involved.

For the riders, it's easy. For the staff, it's unbelievable. I mean some staff people have to drive the big vehicles, be there before the riders. Sometimes it's even you know you have to you finish on top of a mountain you take an hour and a half to get down. So it's a rest day tomorrow now I'm assuming they're doing a transfer. I don't know if they're doing the transfer today or tomorrow, but usually rest days are not complete rest days, right? There's travel involved.

But anyways, I think it's always great to have a rest day and the day after to have a relatively easy day, which is the case now. This is always really good for the riders. The riders think that. That's not the choice of the organization. That's the choice of the organization whether or not they transfer tonight or tomorrow morning, correct? No, no, it's the organization.

They set the rooms. They set the rooms, yeah. Transfer doesn't look that bad. I mean, there's been other transfers. There was the transfer after Chateau Rouge, transfer after Le Mans. I mean, it's not, yeah. Yeah, probably what, five hours, four or five hours. Some cases, particularly if you're the race leader. I know, I don't know if they do it with

a rest day the day after, but if there was a time trial, I mean, the year I finished in La Chatra, they helicoptered me and a few of the other Tibo Pino and all the sort of classification leaders after the podium and media and press conferences up to the field next to our hotel. But we had a time trial the next day. So that was, um, yeah, I don't know if they obviously Tade and the likes, they won't be doing that now. Unless I don't know, you've allowed to put your own helicopter on anymore. Are you? I think somebody tried that a couple of years ago.

Well, like wouldn't Vanderpool just be flying around private stage? Yeah. There's jizzies. Jizzy time. They don't let you just be flying around private? It's every stage. Yeah. Yeah. There's jizzies. Jizzy time. They don't let you do that though, right? Didn't you? No, no. Yeah. Even, they won't even let you,

I think there was some guy like one, couple years, there was one or two guys that were scared of flying, right? Johan and they wouldn't let him drive. Or Zimmerman back in the, Or Zimmerman on the road. Or Zimmerman in the late 80s. They kicked him out of the Tour de France

for not taking the airplanes. Which is, now it's, which is, that's, that's, yeah. It's a guy all of a sudden, like that day says, I don't like flying, but if the guys just doesn't fly, come on. Yeah. That is broken as well. He was a soccer player.

He wouldn't go to the world cup in Japan because he wouldn't fly. He would never fly anywhere. He played for Arsenal in the Netherlands. Take a boat. Yeah. Well, I mean, the Netherlands. Take a boat. Yeah, in the mountains. It'd be a long boat ride. Well, I mean, it's the World Cup. It's a great sport of soccer.

We got questions today or? We just have, I just have, we're gonna do a preview of tomorrow's stage. Boom. There was no stage tomorrow, you mean Wednesday? Yeah, we are, watch. Oh, okay, what do you got? All right. That's preview of tomorrow's stage. Margin, okay, what do you got? All right.

There you go, that's preview of tomorrow's stage. Martial games, get your own pillowcase. Yeah. Is that really, now, I mean, I don't know where y'all found that bed. Is that really what the bed looks like? Yeah, ride your dreams. They have logoed up sheets.

If you're not, if you're just listening. I asked the team back there, I said, just give me a picture of a bed. Well, this is a jank ass bed, a twin bed. The French. And Vismalisa bike has yellow sheets, logoed up. I can't believe that. When there's some riders that would never sleep next to a plug socket because it drains your energy. Or Frank Vanderbroek, yeah, he used to put wedges under the end of his bed. So he was sleeping with his legs sort of up in the air. That's a thing. Yeah.

Yeah. Every rider has different sort of superstitions and. My favorite story of people putting things under their, the legs of their bed was Vacheslav Ekimov, our old teammate, one of the greatest teammates of all time. When he was growing up in communist Russia, which sort of still feels communist, but anyhow, he would be so worried that somebody, all the guys, that somebody would take their shoes or their slides through the night so they would put them under the legs of the bed and then go to sleep. And also if somebody went to steal them, they would, you would, did you you know the story George? I did not know that. This is a true story. He was so

worried about it. So you would feel the bed getting lifted up if somebody's trying to steal your shoes. Slides. Yeah. Or shoes, whatever, whatever you don't want stolen. You just jam them under the bed. Last thing you want halfway for a tour de France is someone's gonna nick your flip flops. You might not recover from that. I don't think anybody's going to steal them bright yellow ones. Let's do real quick. Ventum, our friends over at Ventum. The Ventum trivia question of the day. The first mountain stage of this year's tour is Bastille Day.

Who was the last Frenchman to win a stage on the Tour de France on Bastille Day, which FYI is France's 4th of July, right? Basically. Who's the last Frenchman to win a stage on Bastille Day in the Tour? Well, I'm glad I didn't say it in the show. No, don't say it. It's for the listener.

We're gonna take some questions. I did have one other little fun thing I wanna talk about because I was watching TV last night and they had, this is a question for you, Sir Bradley. They had this special on about Live Aid and the origins of Live Aid and how Bob Geldof created Live Aid and recruited all of these British pop stars. Have you ever met Bob Geldof created Live Aid and recruited all these British pop stars.

Have you ever met Bob Geldof? No, no I haven't. Because let me tell you something. And let me tell all y'all something. This guy, this is one of the coolest mofos ever. I mean, it was unbelievable. I was watching this thing like, that is my dog. I loved it. He was so

He had this scene homeboy puts together, you know Bono sting boy, George all these bands boom makes this Christmas song do they know it's Christmas time? Yeah, do they know it's Christmas? Huge famine an issue down in Ethiopia. They thought he says on the film He thought they might raise 70,000 pounds, they raised, like in a week they raised 8 million pounds. So he flies to Ethiopia. This is where my story is going. He gets down there, Bob Geldof, this guy's like, what am I doing here? He sees all of this famine and death and sad stuff. He's like, wow, this is really important. And who is there unbeknownknownst to him, is Mother Teresa.

So he meets Mother Teresa, and his interview of what it was like meeting her, he says this, and I quote, he says, I mean, the old bird knew exactly what she was doing. It was, I think, his, dude, this guy, I don't know why I'm bringing this up other than I was so impressed by him. Obviously the effort was amazing. Then that went on to be the concerts and really fueled what we did here in the United States. But this, you never hung with this guy? I thought I never met him.

British and Irish legends. Mother Teresa died the same day as Princess Diana. She did. Wow. I did not know that. Well, anyways, I think all you famous, important people from the GB should hang out to get this guy. I would hang out with this cat any time, anywhere. All right. Let's get him on the show. I'm not, maybe we can raise some money for George's team. Maybe we can raise some money for George's team. Because that's actually an excellent point. The famine or... Put a concert on in Greenville.

No, no, no. That's right. No. Whatever was going on... Boy, George, by the way, is still alive. I looked it up. George Michael was also on, no longer with us. There's enough people.

You're right. This is another great idea for George. So, Geldof, if you're listening, George is another great idea for George. So Geldof, if you're listening, George is trying to raise money for his damn bike team. You're right. Bike aid. Info at wedo.team.

George aid. Let me clarify that. I'm actually not trying to raise money. Well, you're trying to raise. Listen, if you want to buy a Sepcoos. And you send a check stove. If you buy somebody like Sepcokus, I need to raise money. So let's put a consonant.

Always be raising, bro. Always be raising. All right, Spencer, what are our questions? I realize we didn't actually officially answer Kevin's questions the other day. So just his 6.7 watts per kilo. This is the guy we said has no chance. He should pick up a different sport.

He's back. Well, on a 40 minute climb, he would last two minutes because they were going about 6.7 watts per kilo. That's right. Here's a question. I'm glad Johan's here for this. So UAE, what are they missing? They're missing some riders.

They're down. The Pavel Sivakov is getting dropped early. Why is Brandon McNulty not at this race? Exactly. Any? That's a Johan question. That's a good question. Johan, you have your ear to the ground.

I mean, I would. It makes no sense. I mean, I don't know. They probably have their reasons, but I would always take Brandon McNulty. He's a great teammate, he's shown in the past when he was at the Tour de France. Remember that stage to Père-Algud where it was Jonas and Thaddey and Brandon McNulty. But it's not easy to pick a team, you know, I mean, I think, I think here the difference is they've, they've chosen deliberately a guy like Marvise, which may be at the expense of a guy like McNulty because Marvise is super explosive and he can do this

500 800 meter lead out for a third day attack whenever he's still there. But yeah, I mean, it's a good question. I don't know. I like Brandon McNulty as a rider, as you know, definitely as a three week rider and as a teammate, I would have taken him. Yeah, but we're not in the team. We're not running the team. We're not inside of the team.

You never know. Like we can sit here and by the way too, Brandon McNulty would have been a great teammate for Tadej Pogacar when they're wearing the same Jersey He was also a great teammate for him when they weren't wearing the same Jersey in the Olympic Games Yeah, let's not forget and I'm not how was that he was In Tokyo. Yeah, but he got away with Carapaz at the end. Yeah, but he was doing Johan am I making this up?

He was away with Carapaz and he was pulling, it was pulling when he shouldn't have pulled. But I think afterwards when he got caught, I think he probably did also some work for a football matchup. I'm not being critical. I mean, that's the complicated nature of events like the Olympics and the World Championship. Yes, you're wearing your national team jersey, but also don't

forget Del Toro, the way he's been racing in Austria, if he'd have written this tour, he'd have been a valuable teammate too. And they got Ayuso as well. I mean, they've got for next year's race. Yeah. If they can, if they can come together as a team unit, which is still debatable. Yeah. I guess they didn't anticipate losing Almeida. That's a lot of the question. Of course not. Another question, this is funny that this got sent in from David.

So Tadej Pogacar's aero bike is apparently 700 grams heavier. That's a pound and a half. And his question is for a rider at that level, is that weight savings or gain significant? Good question. Well, like you mentioned today, he might've thought it wasn in a real mountain stage, and he was focusing more on aerodynamics.

Who knows if that kind of more. That's a heavy bike, a pound and a half heavier. Yeah. It's not that. I mean, it's not 700 grams. It's 300 grams, apparently. 300 grams heavier, not 300 grams total. Yeah, because they lighten the wheels the NV wheels

they have now a special hub which is two three hundred grams lighter per pair. So it's not that much heavier. I don't know and it's also we listen maybe it just the way it feels how it rides you know why he chooses it I don't know. I mean he. The way the checks come in the mail just feels I don't know. I mean, he, the way the checks come in the mail just feels amazing. And here's an interesting question. I don't know the answer to this. Does Tadej Pogacar is his 19 stage wins more than the combined stage wins at the tour of this desk? No, no, no, no. Cause you have two, two George's got one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't know. 28. 28. 28. 28. So you guys are close to Cavendish.

Yeah. Wow. Hey, I also have two guys. That way we might be. You know what? That's right. Spencer, how many do you have? I have, well, so far.

On outcomes, how many have you got? I have zero so far. Don't count me out. Who was y'all's pick on outcomes yesterday? Good question. I had Ben Healy. Johan had Lenny Martinez. You had Ben Healy, of a bad pick if I think about it, because I should have known he was going to be so close to yellow that he would pull too much. I would not have guessed Simon Yates was going to be in that breakaway though. Still makes no sense to me. All right. Well, tomorrow's the rest day. You will not see us here from us. You get a break from us We get a break from each other maybe sort of

But we'll be back on Wednesday So see you then. Looking forward to that. Thanks for tuning in everybody. We'll see you Wednesday Thank you.