THEMOVE - Breaking Down a Statement Win in Monaco | La Vuelta a España 2026 Stage 1 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: August 22, 2026

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down Tadej Pogačar's incredible ride on the technical streets of Monaco to take the opening win and the overall leader's jersey of this Vuelta a España. They discuss what this means for his chances of winning his first career Vuelta, and where the other contenders stand, before predicting tomorrow's Stage 2. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Ultra Pouches: Ultra is the ultimate guilt-free pouch — delivering instant focus and mental clarity, without nicotine or caffeine. New customers can use code THEMOVE to get 15% off at https://TakeUltra.com. After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them. PLEASE support our show and tell them our show sent you. Eight Sleep: Use code THEMOVE at https://eightsleep.com/themove for up to $350 off. 30 days to try it at home. Free returns if it's not for you. Tifosi Optics: Use promo code THEMOVE at https://tifosioptics.com/discount/THEMOVE Blueprint: Science-backed, precision-dosed, no BS. For a limited time only, our listeners get 20% off + free shipping at https://blueprint.bryanjohnson.com by using code THEMOVE at checkout. That's code THEMOVE at https://blueprint.bryanjohnson.com for 20% off.  After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them. PLEASE support our show and tell them our show sent you.

Prima's Rogelich, better than I thought he was going to be. Like, best of the rest, that's not what I was expecting for a guy that hasn't looked great and was hit by a car. Is that right? Coming into this race? Yeah, he was hit by a car. I just saw some pictures again when he showed his injuries. It was really bad. So, I mean, it's pretty decent.

22 seconds. Obviously, it's not the, you know, the Roglidge anymore that we know. And on top of that, if you start after an injury. but let's not forget this guy has won five grand tours and was a very, very good time trialist back in his prime was even Olympic champion

time trial if you remember Everybody welcome back to the move I'm Spencer Martin I'm here with Johan Bernil We're breaking down stage one of the 2026 Volta, Spainia a 9.4 kilometer long time trial in Monaco and at the end we'll also do our outcomes preview of stage two

Stage one was won by Taday Pagachar with a view of AET Memoritz. Scorching time of 10 minutes, 57 seconds, 51.5 kilometer per mile average on an extremely technical course. I was shocked about how technical it was. Ethan Hader from Siddall QuickStep second on the same time. Technically within a second of Pagachar, second time trial by less than a second this season. Josh Tarling from Net Company Enios, our pick was third four seconds back with Kalam Thornley. from Red Bull Borr Hansgrove in fifth.

Christoph, sorry, and fourth, Christoph Leopert in sixth, Oscar Chamberlain and seventh, Woutvinard, eight, nine seconds back, so technically could take the lead tomorrow. Finn Fisher Black and ninth, and Arthur Cluckers in 10th

from Tudor Procycling. A lot to break down, how the other GC riders finished. What is this, how many stages is Tadipagotcha going to win at the Swelta? But before we get into any of that, Johan, I would love to know

what your eight-sleep move of the day is. And before you say that, let me just say, Tadipagacra is using his eight-sleep every stage of this VALTA. They're carrying it around because it's keeping him cool, keeping him at the temperature he needs while he sleeps. And if you want to get an eight-sleep. Use code the move at eight-sleep.com slash the move for up to $350 off during this WELTA, Espania.

But, Johan, what was your eight-sleep move of the day? Yes, Spencer. I mean, my eight-sleep move of the day has to be Tadapolachar. Obviously, we all know he's the best rider in the world. He can do it all. But a 9.5 kilometer flat

technical time trial to win this against specialists like Eden Hater and Joe Starling especially. So 900th of a second, if I'm correct, it was the difference. We know sometimes You say, sometimes, and this is what happens usually with big champions, you know, like,

you say, okay, what's nine hundredths of a second? But you know what? It always happens to the best, these little things, that these little tiny differences. And Pogacar is just the perfection on a bike. I mean, when you saw him right off the start ramp, obviously, you know, we are a month now after the Tour de France. He is still incredibly lean, looks in amazing shape. Honestly, I expected him to be top five, top ten.

I expected him to lose like five or ten seconds or something, be up there in the mix. I did not expect him to win. It shows again, Spencer, that what an unbelievable champion this is, what an unbelievable training maniac this guy is. Because to come out like this, this is the closest to an effort that basically makes you smell blood in your throat, especially after a period of

not racing for a month and here he is also a local from Mono I mean a lot of people are locals because a lot of guys live there but what a way to start man definitely my

8th sleep move on the day Apogat Shar winning the prolog I mean I'm so huge to call it at stage one right it's a time trial but yeah unbelievable Yeah, it really is unbelievable. Just to put it in a perspective.

So the first time check, which was six and a half minutes into the effort, he's three seconds behind Ethan Hater. So right there, you're like, well, there's no way he can make up three seconds and four and a half minutes because the second half of the course was the slowest and more technical. So he makes up, you know, what, over a little over three seconds on Hater in the last four and a half minutes, which means he was taking big. We didn't see a lot of them. I would not say the coverage was like the best. it could be because they didn't really let us know even that he was a threat for the stage one until he was through that final tunnel. But he must have been taken big risks, big risks in the last half of that course to make up that much time on Ethan Hater, who looked dialed and flying

on this course. I mean, Wild Binnart, super, we all know how strong Woutmanard is. Ethan Hater went eight seconds faster than Benart on the second half of that course. And then Pagacha goes three seconds faster than Ethan Hater. I mean, that is crazy stuff. But Johan, what, like, what would his training have looked like between the tour and now to come out and do this? That's what I was curious about. You know, you know what? I mean, that's the thing about Bogacha.

You know, like we've seen him, obviously, straight after the tour, he did the Pogi Challenge, the Grand Fondo there in his hometown. Obviously, when he was in Slovenia, quite some commitments, I'm going to guess. then we've all seen him on a gravel bike like a cycle tourist riding up Montvartou supporting his wife in the Tour de France farm so I'm going to guess his preparation for the Veltas has been 10 days max like 10 days of more specific training

of course you know if you finish the Tour de France with that kind of condition that Bogachar had you know if you maintain it and you put in a few short, intense, intensive efforts, you're there, you know? You're there. But still, I cannot insist enough. A 9.5 kilometer flat time trial, you know, 11-minute effort, you know, to do this after such a busy period, the last five weeks for him. It's astonishing.

It's crazy. normally what you see is after the tour the guys who do the tour de France and even guys who have been really good at the Tour de France and then they get back to the Vuelta it takes them a few days to get back into the rhythm into the you know into motion

they know their condition is great they haven't lost their basic condition but it takes them a little bit to get back into you know the more intense efforts nothing of this seems to apply to do that day to get char. Yeah, you would think

there would be fatigue or you would think if you did the tour and then you did the VALTA, you'd be great, you'd have a deep well of fitness and you'd be great at big, you know, long-term efforts.

I don't think I would guess that someone would be the best at a 10-minute effort. You'd think that, you know, Ethan Hader needs a contract. He's in a contract year and he's been, he's been focusing on this stage,

probably specifically. You think of Walthenart. You think of Stefan Kuhn, These guys have been focusing on this stage, and Pagotcha is able to come out and, like, out explosive them. It's really shocking, actually. I couldn't believe it. Spencer, this is one other extra reason for riders to really be more desperate. I think, you know, you're racing against this guy.

Everybody knows he's the strongest, and then you try to find little occasions, opportunities, where you maybe can beat him, right? And guess what? He's beaten everybody again in some of them in their specialty. You know, because I think it's safe to say that Ethan Hater and Josh Starling are specialist time proud to trailists. They're very powerful and they are also quite technical. Okay, Pogacar is also very technical. He's, you know, we often forget that he's also one of the best bike handlers in the world. He's up there, you know, he's up there. He's, yeah, he's incredible. It looked, it's, it's also, it's also, it's also, looked flawless.

I mean, again, I don't think it's an advantage to live in Monaco because everybody, everybody lives there and most of the guys have done this course many, many times before the race. But, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what to say. Could we say, I mean, okay, we could easily say before the start of the Welta. Okay, this Welta is over already before it starts. That's safe to say with Bogacha at the start.

Are we going to say now off to stage one, the Volta's over already? I'm going to say yes. If he gets, if he finishes the race, he's going to win the race. I mean, right now he's 10th all time and grand tour stage wins. Really impressive, especially considering he only has 10 stage wins outside of the tutor France. He is 36 total stage wins. That's most of all active riders.

Premis Rogelich is second at 22. Phillips and third at 17. That's a lot of stage wins. And he could do a lot of damage at this race. I mean, I do think what we said in the preview holds true. I think in the third week, he might not optimize every stage to win it. Yeah. But, I mean, even in this first week, he could win multiple stages.

I didn't think he was going to win this stage. He's already got one after one day. But do you want to take a quick break? Johan, then we'll talk about the GC, like where the GC stands after this. Okay. Let's do that. Okay. We'll be right back.

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Okay, Johanna, we are back, you know, like with the dust settled. It's not so obvious. You watch that, you're like, whoa, that's real fast. The gaps were tight, right? No. These are huge, like, these are the gaps we'll see in a mountain stage for the GC. This is over less than 10K. So you have Pagachar in first.

Prima's Roggvich, probably the second of the best of the GC riders, 22 seconds back, 22 seconds back in 10K. Tobias Holland Johansson, 28 seconds back. Matea Schelmoh's a 29 seconds back. Inric Moss, 33 seconds back. Actually, pretty good ride there for Enric Moss. Richard Carapad. It's stuck in my head.

Carapas, 33 seconds back. Phyllis Golf, 46 seconds back. Oscar only, worst of the GC riders, 50 seconds back. 50 seconds over 9.4K. I don't think we'll see, I think in the stage 18 time trial, we'll see bigger gaps. but this is probably one of the more consequential GC stages we'll see in the first half of the race. These are big gaps.

Yeah, okay, but with Bogot Char, no, Spencer, I mean, he's going to take, there's going to be stages where he takes more than a minute, two minutes on his closest rivals, I'm sure. But, you know, I mean, did I predict 45 seconds for Felix Gall? The other day? I feel like you said a minute, but it's possibly so 45 seconds. First I said close to a minute and then I said 45 seconds. But anyway, you know, I think that's, I mean, 46 seconds.

And Gall and only are the two big losers today already. And they're supposed to be his two closest rivals. I don't know. I mean, Gall, it's kind of expected. You know, he's not a great time trialist, especially on a flat time trials. But Oscar only, man, I don't know. Did something happen? Did he have a mechanical or get, you know,

got out of a corner or something. We didn't see him. I mean, I don't remember seeing him on course, but that's definitely the great start for Oscar only. 50 seconds down already after 9 and a half K. Well, one thing that's not great is the last individual time trial he's done in a race was it the Volta Algarve in February. So, you know, would make sense if he was a little rusty.

You wouldn't draw it up that way, right, if you were drawing your season out and you'd say, okay, we're going to do it at a time trial in February. February. Next time I'm going to do one in a race, at least individually, is August. Obviously, he's had bad luck. You know, he had several crashes. So, you know, you can't plan for that. But, you know, if he would have been like 25, 30 seconds, you know, up there with like Tobias Hallam, Johanneson, Schell-Mose and Dick Marse, I would say, okay, you know what, okay, fine. These extra 20 seconds, not that it's going to make a big difference at the end, you know, for the podium. but it's you know it's it's the way you start and the motivation and the morale

that's not that's not good and especially if you take into account that both gull and only have been racing they just come fresh out of Euroburgos so where their numbers were really good so that's yeah yeah that's not a great performance of those two it is a little it's hard to know what to do with that because as you say the time they lost to schkelmos hallo hono hos and moss carapaz they'll probably get back but what does that mean about their form like why why are the two guys that we thought would be closest the slowest of the gc guys in the time trial it's a little confusing to me yeah yeah i mean maybe those guys the maybe those are two of these guys that would need time to get into it right yeah uh it's i think i'm going to say if you look at i mean

At the end result, at the end of three weeks, it's not a disaster. It's more a mental, a mental result, a mental bad result, mentally bad result, I would say. Gao may be less so, but Oni is definitely going to have, you know, negative thoughts tonight about his performance. The only thing I could think of is were those of the two guys taking the fewest risks, you know, thinking, you know, because that was a really technical time trial. I don't know. At least they they're going to have a chance to, I mean, it's going to get real again on stage four. So it's not like they have to wait a long time.

Like they'll, we're going to have another GC set piece coming down here in another few days. But yeah, probably not how you'd want to get into a grant tour if you were mapping that out. Yeah. I'm not going to say, I mean, you know, it's not, I don't think it's like they're taking less risks. I think the GC rise,

guys, they take the risks, the calculated risks. I haven't seen, I mean, the course looked technical. We didn't see any crashes, at least not on TV. So, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, not a great start for them. But I still think that those guys are going to be a factor in G.C.

I mean, meaning for third, second, third, fourth, fifth, not for first place. Of course. I mean, I'm looking back now, Gall. Gall not the best time, Tralice. Look at the Gero, he lost four minutes, 21 seconds over 42K. So that's a good chunk

of time. They just happen to be going. I think it looks worse at this Welta because their G.C. rival is the one winning the stage. You know, at the Giro, Gall hid his bad TT performance behind Vindigard, who also had a subpar TT performance.

So the gaps didn't look that big. But when the top G. G.C. is winning the time trial, you get exposed a little bit more. Well, I remember seeing that image of Felix Gall at the Giro with the helmet and took the glasses off. You remember that? Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. And you get the image. By the way, I have to say, you know, Decathlon has an incredible team here, really good riders. I mean, today they were, you know, at some point they were, they had four guys in the top ten, young riders

and stellar performance today of Leo Bizio. He's a climber. He's a young rider. He's one year older than Paul Sexas. He's a climber. And I think he finished sixth in the stage. If I'm not mistaken. He finished six.

Fixed. Yes. Finish six. This guy is 50. He beat. He beat Walt von Hart on this course. So that's quite, that's a significant. performance.

It's really impressive. I frankly thought it was a different guy with the same name. I was like, there's no way that can be the same Leo Basu. I mean, it's a really good team. I got 6th, 17th, and 25th on the day. And I wasn't even aware they had any time trial specialists at this race. So this guy, Oscar Chamberlain, I was unfamiliar with him. It was a really good guy.

I think, was he not world champion time trial at some point? or under 23, I don't remember now. I think juniors probably. That guy's a tantralist. I've seen this guy in a world championship somewhere. Okay. And you love these junior world championships. I mean, yeah, where would he?

He's only 21 years old right now. Okay, so he was Australian junior champion in 2023. So right there, that's pretty good. I mean, yeah, really good team for DeKathlon. I would say, Prima's Roglitch, better than I thought he was going to be. Like, best of the rest, that's not what I was expecting from a guy that hasn't looked great and was hit by a car. Is that right? Coming into this race?

Yeah, he was hit by a car. I just saw some pictures again when he showed his injuries. It was really bad. So, I mean, it's pretty decent. 22 seconds. Obviously, it's not the, you know, the Roglich anymore that we know. And on top of that, if you start after an injury, but let's not forget, you know, this guy has won five grand tours. And was a very, very good time trialist back in his prime.

Was even Olympic champion time trial, if you remember. Yeah. I mean, really. In Tokyo, no? Yep. He won in Tokyo, the fake 2020, the 2021 Olympics. And, yeah, he could, I mean, even outside of the grand tours, I saw a stat. I don't have it in front of me.

but his ability to win stage races, like across all time frames, unbelievable. I think he might have the best win percentage. I guess he wouldn't have a better win percentage than Pagacchar and maybe not Yonis, but it's one of the best of all time. The guy has a winner. He's probably going to have to hope something happens to Pagaccha, though. I think. Well, I also say I don't know how he's going to do in the mountains.

You know, this year we haven't seen anything promising from Primos. You know, like if you look at Romandy, for example, you know, that was not great. Did he do tour of Switzerland also? I don't remember how. I thought he did. Oh, man, he was one of the worst riders

in the second half of the course. It's kind of weird. He did tour of Switzerland. He was not very good. Or he was eighth overall. Kind of anonymous. He's not, I mean, he's not been, he's not been good,

but I would, which surprised me more that he was second best of the GC riders here. Yeah, and who knows how he's going to be on the climbs. But if you go back to the 2025, zero, he was pretty good before he crashed out of that race. And we just haven't seen him. Yeah, he was.

He was. Match that since then. Yeah. Any other GC guys to pick out to you, like Schalmoza? I think, you know, I think Skelmosa on his level, although he did a really good time for all in the tour, by the way. Yeah, he did. Really good.

But, but yeah. You know what? I mean, looking at these differences here, I'm going to say, you know, not terrible from Enrique Mas, only 33 seconds. It could have been a lot worse. We'll see. I thought Moss was great. I mean, imagine if Taday's not here.

So Inric Moss would have been 11 seconds behind Roglitz, a guy who passed him when he got second at the vault in 2021. time trial. You'd say, wow, what a ride. Yeah. I thought Carapaz was pretty good. You know, 33 seconds back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's not going to be, I thought, I thought, I thought Gall and only would be cakewalk into second and third, but now looking. And then another thing. Another thing, Spencer, I'm, you know, for me, like,

I mean, personal, personal disappointment. I mean, not the performance, but I would have loved Josh Starling to win. I think everybody. And then, you know, when, when Ethan Hater came, I said, damn, you know, I think it, it softens, it softens the disappointment because Fugacier also beat him. Yeah. So, but man, for him to show up and you could see, you know, in his, in his demeanor that he's riding there, you know, he's riding for and with his brother. and I just hope he's going to he's winning one of the one of the stages you know he's that's his goal that's his goal in this in this in this welta he wants to win a stage for his brother really the 32 kilometer long time trial is what he should be focusing on now because he was

the best of the big guys this I started to get get concerned the moment the first rider went I thought oh this course is not what I thought it was and then when stephen coon yeah he finishes 14 seconds back it's like ah this is not a great course for these big guys, you know, he want to be at a high speed all the time. So he did pretty well. Like of the of that type of profile, like Tarlene, Waltvinard,

Stefan Kuhn, he was the best of all of them. And then yeah, it softens the blow a bit that two guys beat him and that it's probably better for Pagachar that Ethan Hader is sitting in between them. Because that would not have been the best look, right? It's a time trial.

You know, everybody goes full. You know, you can't calculate. Well, you could say, you could say, okay, for example, if Darling is in opposition and then you're one of the last guys, you could say, ah, you know, and then you get informed, you could say maybe, okay, maybe I'm slowing down the last 100 meters, which, for example, which is, for example, you remember when Vingegard did that for WOT. Yep. I didn't remember that. Yep. But, you know, this is the Vuelta. It's the first day now. There's no, you know, there's no room for these kind of calculations. Question for you on that is everyone going all out because this is the second time this year we've seen Pagachar get out of the saddle in the final 100 meters and literally sprint through the line where the guy that he beat stayed in the skis over the line.

You know, like that's why he won that state this stage because he sprinted over the line. Is it is it? We don't know. I mean, there's theories. There's a lot of theories and calculations of aerodynamic specialists that say, you know, just stay in the position, especially if it's flat and high. speed. That's definitely what they tell you. Yeah. You do slow down when you stand up and sprint to the finish. I'm going to time that final 100 meters. I think he was, I think he's going faster.

But they do, you're right. They do tell you that that you should not stand up and sprint. But I'm starting to question that because the second time we've seen this. And my son was like, well, why doesn't everyone sprint? Like, I don't know. Maybe we should be. Maybe Pagachar's figured something out here. Most of the people don't sprint because there's nothing left in the legs.

The quads are exploding. You can't stand up. It's burning. It's physically impossible to stand up. The fact that you can still stand up tells you also, which is, for example, also why Matthew von der Poul won the last stage on the Chanzanzibu. Because he stood up in the last 30 meters. He had no business being able to do that.

It also helps that Pagacchar knows how fast he has to go. in these time trials where everyone else, like Ethan Hader's going a little blind, right? He's four seconds up. He doesn't know that Pagachar is within a second of him. Bagachar knows when he's going because he's going later. Do you want to take a quick break and then talk about a quick question for you. Bagachar can't stay at this house, right?

He has to stay at the hotel tonight. No, no, no. He has to stay at the hotel. Yeah, yeah. And that's the rules of the race. Yeah. It's the rules of the UCI. Yeah.

You have to be at the team hotel. And it's the second stage of this Fuelta, because when they go to Andorra on stage four, even more riders are going to be right next to their housing. Same thing. Yeah. They can't stay there. It'd be miserable.

It'd be like if Lance made us all stay at like the worst hotel in Boulder or something, that I couldn't stay at my house. But let's take a quick break and then we'll talk about tomorrow's stage. Okay, Johan, we are back. So if we had a short stage today, they're making up for it tomorrow. So stage two, Monaco. to Monosk. What's the name of this town?

Monos. Monos. Monaco to Monosk. 214K because we got to get to Spain. We have an appointment in Spain. We got to get over there. And we got to cover a lot of ground. So that's a long stage for a modern grand tour. Over 3,000 meters of elevation gain.

And then an uphill, they have two categorized climbs. And then some tough, uncategorized climbs. And then an uphill finish, about 4% for the final kilometer. probably going to be some sort of reduced sprint. You'd imagine Mads Patterson, Watt Van Arte, and potentially Ventata Pagachar will be duking it out. How do you think this is going to play out? It's really early enough that it's not going to be a breakaway, right?

Yeah, I think so. I think so. And especially, you know, Visma's here with a clear goal for stage wins. I think Walt will want to win the stage. So I think they're going to control. I'm going to guess Peterson the same. Peterson, by the way, has said before the race that he's not going for the points jersey,

which is strange. I don't know. I mean, it's probably not a goal initially. I mean, he has won now all the points jerseys in all the three-round two or so. You know, he has done what he has to do. But he said he's focusing on stage wins rather than just on the points classification.

But tomorrow, I think it's, you know, you name the two guys. I think these are the two big favorites. for the stage, especially also because it's 3,000 meters of climbing, so pretty hard for a real sprinter. And those two teams have two teams that can actually make it hard enough for the sprinters to get dropped. And then for both of them an ideal uphill finish, 3% percent, if I'm not mistaken. So I'm going to go for Walt Von Art. Would love to see him win the stage.

And I would love to see him take the leader's jersey. which is if he wins the stage uh that's a possibility if he wins he gets the red jersey yeah one of the keys to his ride today is he stayed within nine seconds of baghatchar so if he was within 10 seconds of him then if he wins tomorrow and pagachar doesn't finish in the top three and then also assuming pagachra doesn't take time at the bonus sprint then wabinar will be in the leader's jersey i'd assume that that's a goal pretty impressive he was able to nail it right in there Is Pagacch are going to get in the top three of the stage, though? He shouldn't, he shouldn't, right? He should try to not and then get the jersey way. Yeah, I mean, if I would be him and his team, I'd let the jersey to Visma, and then they're going to control stage three, at least.

And maybe, you know, stage four is different because that's a hard stage. I mean, yeah, I don't know. What's the upside of what's the upside of not, not being in the in the red jersey for polachar. You get to go back to the tar right. But it's the Vuelta, Spencer. It's not the tour. It's not overwhelming.

Yeah. It has, it's, you can't compare. You can't compare. You know, the tour is, you know, they, they jump on you. It's, it's, there's a lot of different. The Vuelta is so relaxed, man. I mean, it's, uh, I mean, yeah, it's, uh, it's an extra half an hour in the Vuelta. where the tour could be an hour to one and a half hour,

you know, when you have to do the doping control and the podium and the press for press, press, press, uh, interviews and, and then maybe you get stuck in traffic, you know,

so, uh, although, I don't think there's any upside for, for Pogacar. It is funny. You mentioned that. It felt way calmer.

Just, just watching the race today, like the side of the road and then you'd imagine that this is a tour stage, people would have been crashing and they were not crashing today because like just backed off half a like half a beat. Yeah. Yeah. No, the the stress level is just toned down so much in these. I mean, even in the Gero, you know, the Gero and the VALTA compared to the tour, it's, it's not even close. And Vuelta is the third, the third one in terms of stress and tension and everybody wanting to fight for position. It's, it's,

it's a nice race to to ride when I'm not going to say relaxed because that's the disrespect to the riders of this era but it's the most relaxed of the three ground tours yeah to ride the race and before the race and after the race it is funny how that happens just anything that's first like the zero it's people are more keyed up for it and then your focus slips by the third but It makes it a nice race to watch too because it's a little bit more anything can happen because people aren't so dialed in. But any other predictions for tomorrow, I assume Van Art is going to go for the points sprint, which is also a time bonus sprint with it's about 25K to go. And then what's the bonus there? What's it?

I think I seem to remember something like eight seconds in the past. I'm not sure anymore. I actually have a little short pet to the race book right here. But let's see. It is. What do we have? Eight seconds would be a lot though, right? Mm-hmm.

Oh, six, four, and two? Six, four, and two would probably make more sense. But. Yeah. And then the question is how many, you know, because the zero really underweights the points at the intermediate sprint. I assume since this is an ASO race, it's similar to the tour.

That's funny that what Maz Patterson would say that, is he just trying to throw people off the scent? Like a funny thing to say. I don't trust him. I don't trust him at all. I'm Johan, before we got the Deutsche Land Tour today. Isaac Deltoro is away. I haven't watched it.

I haven't watched it. But I saw that the El Toro and was the guy with, a pelizary no pelizari the italian version of del toro but i mean they're they're you know and their neighbors live in the same apartment oh yeah yeah they live in the same apartment complex and they were going strange that's strange that tibeari was not there yeah yeah you got to get tiberd there the third roommate what's you doing yeah there's they're not roommates they're they're they're they're not roommates they all live a better story if we say they're on a different yeah on a different on a different level yeah yeah yeah and it's yeah and it's

Well, it's funny you mention that because Del Toro attacks. He gets away with Pelazari. Pelosari does a lot of work. Deltore is just sitting on him thinking, Deltora, what are you doing, man? You got to build your lead here. You're gaining from this.

Pellizari is doing so much work. They get to the final kilometer. Deltoro gets to the front with like 1.5K to go. And then starts sprinting with like 500 meters to go. And then, of course, does not win the stage. Like Pellizari picks his pocket easy. But, yeah, was this a bit of an agreement? But, you know, he solidifies his position in the, in the G.C.

I think he now has a pretty big lead now, no, over. Yeah, he has, who was it, Louis Barre? Who was it the lead? Louis Barre was in the lead. Now he's 52 seconds back. I mean, it's great for Del Toro. Okay. And I'm like, looks like a deal might have been made there between two guys that spent a lot of time

together. It looked like a convenient time for him to become confused about where the finish line was. Well, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's normally, I mean, if you're in a, in a two-man break and, you know, one, one is out of the GC, it's full gas, both of them. And, you know, one takes a stage, one takes you see, that's usually the agreement. And especially, I mean, it was usually the agreement, not anymore in today's cycling. But I think here the exception is that they're two really his friends and training partners. Yeah. And I mean,

I guess they both gain, right? Because now Del Toro is in the lead and Pelazari gets a stage one at a race that he wouldn't have, you know, that he wasn't where he wanted to be at. And then also you asked for Philipson. I don't know if you saw the highlight of this. One of the closest finishes we've seen this year over Olaf Coy at the Renui tour.

But super, like Philipson's been really impressive since it seems like, you know, his issues at the tour were just the heat. And then once they got through. And regains the leaders jersey, you know? He must. Yeah, over, you know, who is this guy?

Yeah, Bergmus. Barry was a good, good rider. Yeah. Yeah, really good rider. Really good rider. Very underrated, very underrated rider. Really good rider. I mean, huge for Lotto Intermarchet, too.

Get a win in your home, one of your home tours. That's got to be a big point of emphasis for them. But yeah, Phillips. And that was a really impressive sprint against Tollup. Koi. Just a good race in general, Renewi Tour. I've been loving that race. Check it out. I believe the final stage is tomorrow. Anything else, Johan, before we take off? Wait, one more question for you. Everything, Spencer. Yeah. Is Tour de Lab Penir not nations anymore? Is it trade teams? Am I? Yes, it's trade teams. When did that change?

This year. This year, this year, it's the first time. There are, there are some national teams, but it's, uh, it's straight. I mean, it's, overwhelmingly development teams of big teams, which, yeah, I mean, it's a super high level. Yeah, kind of makes sense. I guess if all these, you know, if UAE, Bahrain, Vizma, they're spending a ton of bread bowl, spending a ton of money on these junior teams. And you 23 teams, you would want to use your team infrastructure at the biggest race of the year for these riders. So I guess that makes sense.

Yeah. Kind of sad, though. This is so different from how it used to be. 200 to 231. Today's stage was 231 kilometers, by the way. Why? Why did they do that? That's like, let's prepare you for something you're never going to do as a professional. That is a crazy long stage. They did it in sub five hours, though. Cooking on that course.

46 and a half kilometers per hour. Oh, yeah. It's pretty good. Well, we're getting off track. We're talking about the wealth out. So, yeah, sure. well yeah i'm going to be dialed in on the two or eleven here though what a great race i'm excited about it but we'll let you go and we'll only great only great cyclists win that race that's yeah they say yeah they say only the best in history have won that race specifically they call

out the 1990 edition of the race one by yourself that's crazy you won that is crazy you won that It's a big win. Yeah. Well, it was different. It was different. It was different then. There was a few years where the Tour of the Lavenier changed name to the tour of the European community. And we went actually to a lot of different.

It was 10 stages, by the way, 10 days. Then, and we went to different countries. And I remember I wanted in the last time trial with three seconds on the second one. So very tight, very tight win. And so in 1982, Greg Lamont wins. Good writer, right? And then 86, McGillard Linderane wins. Pretty good.

87, Mark Maddieo, 88, Lauren Finian, which... I did. That was the first time I did. I did the Tour de lavenue three times. But it was an open race then. So I did Tour de laveneer in 88 the first time as a young professional when Lauren Vignon won. And he, Lorof Young had already won two tours and he won the Tour de Avenir.

Not so fair. Remember this guy, Olaf Ludwig? He won in 1983. That guy was a motorbike. Geez. Yeah. That's it. Well, congrats, Johan.

Delayed congratulations on the 1990 Tour december december. That's a huge win. I guess you did go on to win two tour stages. So not so easy to do that either. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Well, okay, Spencer. Thank you. We'll be back earlier tomorrow. We just have a super late finish today with that stage, but we'll be back in the normal time tomorrow. Back to the stage.