THEMOVE - Breaking Down Primož Roglič's Historic Win | Vuelta a España 2024 Week 3 Recap | THEMOVE

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

Lance, George, and Johan break down how Primož Roglič won the Vuelta a España and what we learned about the other main GC contenders. They debate if his Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe squad is the sport's newest superteam, what is going on with Ineos, and much, much more. Zwift: This adjustability makes Zwift Ride perfect for anyone in the house to use and at $1,299.99 it’s a game-changer so head to https://Zwift.com now to check it out. LMNT: Get your free 8-count Sample Pack with any LMNT purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/themove Be sure to try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water.   Ketone-IQ: 30% off your first sub order + free 6 pack when you use the link: https://www.ketone.com/themove   Ventum: Listeners of THEMOVE can save 20% on any Ventum bike thru September by using code TheMove20 at checkout at https://ventumracing.com  

Slovenia won all three Grand Tours this year. That's crazy. Crazy to think about. The cycling powerhouse country of Slovenia won all three Grand Tours. Two and a half million population or something and they win all three. I mean obviously Primoz and Entadej are you know two of the three or four best riders in the world but but yeah I mean that's that, that's incredible. Oh, bienvenidos, everyone. Welcome back.

You see what I did there, guys? Both of you guys speak Spanish. You see what I did there? Bienvenidos. For those who don't speak Spanish, that means welcome. Welcome back to the Moot Podcast. Talking about the Tour of Spain, not just week three. We'll recap the whole thing. Uh, all three weeks. Of course I'm joined. I don't know where you are. You're on. I suspect you're back in Madrid.

I'm back in Madrid. Yeah. From back from Mallorca. Back from Mallorca. Exactly. Yeah. And, uh, gee, looks like you're what you're there at the office in Greenville. Yep. Back in Greenville, go back, uh,

Sunday night. Oh, from, yeah. How was Bentonville? I want to hear about that. Oh, it was great.

Two day events. Uh, the whole town turned up and was super happy about how everything went. I mean, obviously they're really well known about their gravel and mountain biking, but they wanted to showcase all the great road riding there. And it was just super fun. Two courses, 83 miles each and really fast, flowy. Um, we did them in like both days.

We did 80 miles or 80 just over 80 miles and three and a half hours. Um, so it was fun, fast and scenic. People were really happy about it. I'm curious what people were people psyched to have a two, you know, have a two day situation where, I mean, normally, as we all know, typically you go in and it's a one day thing and you just don't see a lot of multi-day or. Yeah. I mean, the feedback we got in the, all the, like visit Benville and, you know, the, the people that are,

our friends that have a lot of influence in Benville, one of the two day sort of, uh, cycling weekend, um, focused on road and you've been to our fun villages. It's all about, it's not only about the rides, it's about like the, the expo and the, the family friendly, um, start and finish areas that we have. We have Jumby Castles, free food for everybody that's there watching their significant others riding. So they wanted it to be a whole weekend celebration of cycling and showcasing their roads. Of course, I was a little bit hesitant with the two-day day event, but ended up being really fun and enjoyable for everybody.

And just a small update. And so, I mean, just absolutely clobbered you. I'm assuming he was doing the, the, the junior race, which is 50. We had a junior race inside of the grand final. So he only did the 50 mile, but yes, he could have totally clobbered me if he wanted to. It's over. It's over. It's over. We'll get into all the action. So much to cover.

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good bike rider. By the way, he had the time trial at the end that he always could have fell back on. And you had a race with which I think you said in week one, what did you tell us? Uh, something absurd, like 60,000 meters of total vert. Like there's enough, there's enough of that, that, that I know it's set it up nicely for, for TV, so to speak, but he wrote a great race and he had a great team. Yeah. And also, I mean, you have to mean with all due respect,

the competition is obviously not the same as the Tour de France, right? I mean, Ben O'Connor is second and Rick Maas third, but I think the biggest doubt was at the start, at the beginning of the Vuelta, how he had recovered from his crash. I mean, the reports were that he had several fractured vertebrae and he was doubtful also, especially the first mountain stages. But I think once he won that first uphill finish, there was no doubt anymore that he was going to be the big favorite. And the only doubt was, can he make up those six minutes with Ben O'Connor? Right. Then turned out that ultimately he wins the,

the wealth of it two and a half minutes. So, yeah, I mean, unbelievable. Yeah. I'm like, also,

I think a really pivotal step for the team. I mean, they obviously, they won the zero with a couple of years ago and now they're, they were in a different role this, this time with Primoz being sort of the favorites. And it was, although unconventional approach to winning the overall,

we all were kind of questioned it for a while. They ended up pulling it off. And, you know, I think gaining a lot of confidence and not only Primoz, but the whole squad and the management team, which will make it interesting coming into next season, because obviously, you know, they, they all want to win the big show, which will make it interesting coming into next season because obviously, you know,

they all want to win the big show, which is the Tour de France. And it looks like they might, may or may not be making some moves in the offseason, but I think a really successful Welters is putting them into the offseason with a lot of confidence. Yeah, I think that team is on its way.

I mean, it's almost there, but it's almost on its way to become the number one team. I mean, with the introduction of Red Bull and a lot of extra resources, it's clear what they're doing. They want to be the number one. Primoz, in my opinion, is now a stepping stone because that's, I mean, let's not forget he's 34 years old.

So he's at the, in the end of his career and they're using his presence in the team to basically evolve from obviously Primoz brings some knowledge. He also brought his trainer from Visma, by the way. So, but they're, they're going to, they keep moving, they keep moving forward. And, um, well, well, I think, I think that their mission is to be the number one, the dominant team in the future. Uh, and they're well on their way. And you mentioned he's getting up in age, but he also did apparently have one of his best climbing

performances ever in the third week of the Tour of France, or Tour of Spain, sorry. Which is a really positive sign that perhaps he's not reached his full potential yet. And I'm sure there's still some hope that he can stay safe and next year tour to France and perhaps be at least as good as he was in the world to this, this year. Yeah. Yeah.

By the way, worth noting Slovenia won all three grand tours this year. That's crazy. Crazy to think about the cycling powerhouse country of Slovenia. One, all three grand million, when a half million population or something of Slovenia won all three Grand Prixs. Two and a half million population or something. And they win all three.

I mean, obviously Primoz and Entade are, you know, two of the three or four best riders in the world. But yeah, I mean, that's incredible. And there's more Slovenian riders that are really good. Yeah. I mean, we've talked about that a lot. I mean, I think that elevates, you know, especially maybe even more so when you're in a small country

because those guys are probably in the paper every day. I mean, they sneeze in there. I'm supposing or imagining they're in the Slovenian paper for everything. So that, you know, guys see that and they want a little piece of that. That's normal, but you know, you'd have to go back quite a ways to find a year where one country won. I mean, maybe it's not that far, but we're one country, one, all three grand tours. It's you know, it's not,

and not to mention a country of two and a half million people, it just makes it that much more unique and exceptional. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But anyway, coming back on Primoz, you know, uh, he's, um, I mean, I admire his, his, his ability to come back after being knocked down, you know, it's, it's unbelievable how he focuses and, and George, you said, you know, he had his, he had his best performance, one of his best performances. I think it's the trend. I mean, and George, you said, you know, he had his, he had his best performance, one of his best performances. I think it's the trend. I mean, if you, if you speak to people within the Peloton and you look around, I mean, everybody has their best performances ever, almost 6.9 watts per kilo for 25 minutes,

uh, on that, uh, on stage 18, I think, or stage 19, when he basically decided the, the Vuelta,

there's not many people who can do better. It's, it's Jonas and, and today, and then maybe Remco in the future, but he's up there, you know, he's up there with those guys.

So, um, nobody should be surprised that he wins. Um, he had an amazingly strong team, uh, especially in this, in the latter part of the race, but, uh, with Danny Martinez and, and Blasov, who by the way, would be leaders on any other team. And let's not forget Danny Martinez was second in the Giro behind Pogacar. He was domestique here. And then Vlasov did an amazing job a lot of times. So yeah, he was well-supported.

A few tactical mistakes, I think, especially that stage when they left O'Connor. It takes so much time, but after all, two and a half minutes, there's no doubt that he was the strongest. Right. Speaking of countries that had a good tour of Spain, you got to talk about Australia, green Jersey, polka dot Jersey.

You know, a good day, a good, a good, a good month for the Aussies, right? Four stage wins. Four stage wins. Right. And talking about, we spent a little time on this in the pre-show, but you know, talking about folks that had a good month. I mean, we get, we got to talk about, you know, a team with less than a $5 million budget winning three stages.

Pretty exceptional in Kern Pharma. Yeah. I just checked actually that it's four, four million, $4 million in the budget. Wow. One of the teams that got an invite, you know, in Spain, there's four continental teams this Sunday, they switch every year. You know, last year was Burgos and Cajarural. This year it was Kern Pharma and Euskaltel.

But man, this team was on a roll. Pablo Castillo won a stage, you know, very spectacular. Then he won a second one, which was even more impressive. And then finally that, I don't remember which stage it was. Was it stage 18 or nine or 17? Somebody, probably you guys don't never, I mean, you never know. He's 26 years old. If you were going to ask us or say that we probably never heard of him,

you are exactly right. I know. I know. That's why I'm not asking. But anyway, it's a team that is apparently they have the resources to grow. Kern Pharma is a huge company in Spain. They make almost all the generic medicine here for the pharmacies. They even make the drink mixes for the riders they came up with a special formulation with a certain

amount of carbs that they tested throughout the whole season and with feedback from the riders so

flavors the exact amount of carbs it's kind of interesting that they yeah George

because you trained with one of the guys in Girona right yeah Danny Vander Tuck. He's coming to Greenville for my fund, though.

So I got a little bit of inside scoop before I actually knew how well they were going to do in the Vuelta. But, you know, amazing. Johan, talk about how can they lead them out of the Vuelta next year? If you said there's a rotation on picking teams, how do you lead this team out? Yeah, I'm going to predict that they're just going to change the rules and increase the number of participants instead of 22, 23. I mean, they can't leave Ken Farmer out next year, in my opinion. So, yeah, I mean, if you look at this team, you know, three stage wins. This one particular stage actually was impressive.

Was it the one? I think it was stage 20, actually. Uh, it was stage 20, the one that the second stage went off, uh, another guy who had an amazing, uh, an amazing Vuelta was, um, the Irish guy, what's his name? Uh, Eddie Dunbar. He won that stage, but initially there was a breakaway of 40 riders, 40 riders with three-can Pharma. Then finally in the hard part of the stage, it breaks to 10 riders. And those three-can Pharma are in those 10. And they're still, you know, they still did amazing.

So 4 million. Then on the other hand, I think something we should also highlight, not a positive note, this Timi Neos, reportedly a $50 million or pound budget, no stage wins, first rider, 10th place,

Carlos Rodriguez, and never a factor in the race. So, you know, I've looked a bit at that team and actually I was walking around yesterday. I went to the start of the time trial two days ago at the Sunday morning at the start of the time trial in Madrid here. And, um, you know, uh,

sorry, who's, who's dog is barking. It's mine. I was just curious. I was like, George, is it like bring the dog to work day? Should we edit this or should we go on? No dogs here. No, we can go on. Maybe it would be great if the dog stopped barking. Hang on. Let me, let me, let me, let me let him in. Let him in. Oh my God. The dog is outside.

Folks, this is it. This is how chill it is. They're in. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. So, sorry, go back to what you're saying. Yeah. No, I mean, you know, and you, you walk around and you see, I mean, obviously it's a time trial. The last day, they had nothing to defend anymore, but the, the, the bus the bus and the truck of emails, it's empty. Nobody there, nobody was there. And, uh, you know, you see, I mean, I think it's like,

I don't know what's happening in that team. Um, there's changes. Um, it seems to me like since Brailsford left that program, the soul of that team is gone. This it's, I just checked, I just checked, you know, the, the, the roster, they have like 15, 15 sport directors. I mean, who's in charge there? You know, it's, that's like, to me, it seems like there's a lot of people who are running around, but nobody's really in charge. And listen, it's not a, it's not a, you know, I think one, one stage win or maximum. I don't, one stage win in the, in the Giro, I think. I don't remember if they won a stage in the tour or not. Can't really off the top of my head, probably one. I don't remember now,

but this is, this is not good. So I expect that Ineos is going to have a massive overhaul. People are leaving. We just saw recently also, for example, one of the guys, this guy, Dan Bingham, this aerodynamics engineer who's an amazing writer also, who broke the world record. I had the R record, yep. Yeah, so he's leaving to, guess where? Red Bull Bora.

You know, so if these guys are leaving, Rod Ellingworth, for example, who came back to run the team, which was basically an attempt to get it back to where it was before. He's there for one or two years. He's leaving again. He's returning to become the performance manager

of Bahrain Victoria. So those things are not good. So I think we're going to see some changes in that team. I mean, look, you have, you have, you have, you know, we talked in the pre-show about Tom Pitcock, who's a fantastic writer. We're huge fans and he can do it all right. He makes 4 million pounds a year. And then we're talking about Kern Pharma that, that just, you know,

it was kind of, it was this beautiful underdog, underdog story of the tour of Spain when 23 stages, the entire team's budget is 4 million euros. Yeah. Yeah. If their hand is no longer on the fire alarm, everybody's pulling it. This is a 12-alarm fire. They're now in a situation where before they were the reference team, the benchmark. Nowadays, I mean, obviously, certain riders would have doubts to go to that team,

whereas before they would have jumped to go to that team. Whereas before they would have jumped to go to that team. It's, it's come to that side. So, um, well, I think it's also a matter of all this information, all these studies and marginal gains that they kind of came out with is,

is just really feasible, accessible information for anybody. Now, even juniors are, you know, weighing their food and know exactly what kind of calorie intake they need. So they got to sort of reinvent the game with that kind of money. Uh, they can, they certainly can do that. And like you said,

you want to seem like there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen right now, and they might need to streamline that to get back to their level. I think there's no, I think there's not one single captain on the ship. That's the problem. Obviously, the captain is Sir Jim Ratcliffe. But he's not too closely involved with the team. And I think since Brailsford left, it's a different game there. So they have to find somebody else.

Because I don't think Brailsford is going to go back there. He's in a different position now in, in, in soccer. But yeah, sad to see actually. It is. Let's keep talking about this stuff before we do a little bit of business today. So also brought to you by ketone IQ. We often hear that fasting and exercise are good for the brain. HVMN launched the world's first drinkable ketone in 2017. Ketone IQ is their latest innovation on ketones with better effectiveness, taste, and cost.

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but moral of that story is I brought my gs1 up here i love this thing like i when i travel i just take my gs1 the best uh as you all know too um by the way thanks for supporting me on that um uh we've had every week we've had the ventum trivia right the question for week two five cyclists have won all three of the major grand tours in their careers. Can you name at least three of the five riders? Here's your answer. Of course, this is too late to enter this one, but here's your answer. Jack Honkatil, Felice Gimondi, Eddie Merckx, Bernard Hinault, and we'll leave the fifth one out.

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And Ryder's like, yeah, why? He's like, because your pedal stroke looks like every pedal stroke you take looks like your last pedal stroke. You know, like moving all over the bike. Looks like he's getting dropped. And I feel like Marcelo has got that similar style where he's all over the bike. Looks like he's getting dropped. And, and I feel like Marcel has got that similar style where he's all over the bike. You don't know if he's getting dropped or he's sort of roping to open his breakaway companions.

Um, came close on many days, but then to pull off the queen stage, or I think the queen stage of the most iconic climb. Logos, the captain COVID don't win that stage was super impressive. And then kept going in breakaways, helping his teammate with the, or not with the mountain jersey.

But I think we definitely had to point out his performance in the last week of the Vuelta. Yeah. Also Jay Vine. Jay Vine, I think amazing comeback. You know, let's not forget, he was probably, he and Steph Cross, a Belgian rider from Total Energies, were the two biggest victims of that horrible crash in the Tour of the Basque Country. Jay Vine was really severely injured. There were certain doubts that if he would ever be able to walk again. This is in April of this year.

Now he wins the King of the Mountains in the Vuelta, almost won a stage. So obviously, great to see him back. As you said, Lance, the Australians had an amazing, you know, three stage win for Caden Groves plus the green jersey. Stage win for O'Connor, second in GC, and then

two stage wins for the Australian team, Jake Kualula. So amazing, amazing performance of the Australians in this world. And I think we also, what we have to also talk about is the unfortunate abandon of Walt Van Aert after yet another crash. Um, when he was on his way to basically win green and the pocket of Jersey, uh, which would have been very unique. Unfortunately, he crashed, um, had a very severe injury on his knee

I mean it's going to be okay but the wound was too deep he couldn't move his leg anymore and the season is over unfortunately

I think the Wout van Aert we saw in the Vuelta would probably have been European champion and was also working towards

the world championships actually so that's a bummer for the Belgian team but we wish him all the best. You know, luckily he's going to be okay for next year. Less stress for Renko. Yeah, think about his season.

I mean, the crash he had in Belgium in the beginning of the year pretty much took him out for the rest of the season and got back for the latter part of the season. Very successful, well to three stages. Like you said, you're on green jersey, mountain jersey. He's going to win it all. And then to end it like that, I mean, mentally, it's got to be really tough.

But fortunately, it is the last race of the year for him. And hopefully he can put that behind him and have a, I mean, the whole team had a disastrous season in terms of injuries and wrecks and illnesses. So it's going to hopefully they bounce back for next season. I think we've covered it. Um, everything. I mean, just one more, uh, mentioned Enric Mas the fourth time in his career, he's on the podium of the Vuelta, you know, Enric Mas is a rider.

He gets criticized a lot. And also here in Spain, you know, he gets criticized a lot, but I think he's actually the podium of the Vuelta. You know, Enric Mas is a rider. He gets criticized a lot. And also here in Spain, you know, he gets criticized a lot. But I think he's actually an amazing rider. You know, he's strong. He's not with the top guys. He's not able to follow those guys. But, you know, he's been three times second in the Vuelta.

Now he's third. I mean, there's not many riders who can do that. He seems awfully tough. I mean, he'll have, you know, he'll have a day to lose some time and you just sort of write him off. And then the next day he's up there or you'll see another day where he's just swinging in the back, but he, he, he just, he seems to have some grit, which is just, I mean, you can't help, but love. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's a tough, tough rider. Right. I mean, I,

sometimes I feel when I see all the criticism he receives here in Spain, know he does what he can you know he's uh he knows that uh attacking is obviously not his best uh weapon and he's not going to gain anything so he tries to follow the best guys as long as he can and that's ultimately how he gets on the podium of Grand Tour and you mentioned Johan the competition was clearly not the same as the Tour de France but the level was still high I mean the numbers were still high a guy like Sepp Kuss said he was actually feeling really good on a lot of his clients but the the numbers they were putting out on the clients were really really impressive and um so I think they the performances were albeit less competition they were still comparable to a lot of the best rides this season. Well, I mean,

don't the circumstances dictate that? I mean, if you give a guy like Ben O'Connor, you give him five minutes, he's not a panic. So you're gonna have to a Primo's Rogelich at some point is gonna have to ride as fast as

he possibly can. Right? As we said, when, when O'Connor got away, I mean, this shapes up and makes the race exciting. Yeah, for sure. If you have, if you have, like you mentioned, Lance, he's got to ride as fast as he possibly can, which means his teammates have to ride just as fast at the bottom of the slope, which is going to ultimately make faster climbs and better performances.

That was the only way you can win it. And yeah, like you said, that's a big reason behind those, those high performance numbers. And the fueling, I mean, we keep, right. And that's what Bobby told us during the tour. It's, it's, you know, when, to me, when you think about fueling yes you get to the end of a stage and your fuel tank is on f as opposed to being a quarter full but as the race progresses especially grand tour you start to you know if you have multiple days of never having to your tank never going below half empty you know, you just get stronger and stronger. Yeah.

Pretty amazing. That's the new cycling for sure. I'm glad we're gone, man. I'm glad we're gone. I, I, the thought of consuming that many calories on the bike, it's just.

Also, you know what, what's, what's really, what impressed me, uh, Sunday, you know,

at the, at the start of the, I went through the buses there and the guys were warming up. The body composition of the professional cyclist has changed so much. I mean, it's like, okay, you see it on TV, but then when you see them from close up, it's scary how skinny these guys are. It's unbelievable. I mean, you have skinny and then you have skinny, skinny.

I mean, and all the guys that are in the front are like, I mean, it's unbelievable. I mean, they must starve themselves off the bike. I think on the bike, they eat a lot, but, um, but I mean, and also, I actually don't, I don't agree with that. I think now that they don't, those, those days of starving yourselves are gone gone like these guys are so precise with their nutrition that in many times i'm seeing it with my son like he's like dad i still have like to eat 2 000 more calories before i am able to sufficiently replace my fuel that i that i burnt on the ride and i feel like they're not starving themselves they're just planning their nutrition a lot better than we ever imagined doing. It's programmed.

The game has changed. Yeah. That's correct. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, and they're,

and they're riding there. They're, they are riding. They are, they're, they're training rides. Or let me just say another way. Their workloads over the course of a big week is much more than,

than what we've, I mean, anybody can say, but the guys in the Peloton, which many do who upload to Strava, you see it like it's no, or am I off on that? I think, I think you're a little bit off in terms of being much more. I mean, we did the hours. There's no doubt. I just think they're a lot more precise in the training, a lot more intensity and a lot more recovery. And, but the, the, the hours, I don't think they're much more than we did.

I just remember those, those, it's been years now where Froome was putting up, putting his rides up on Strava and he was down in the off season in South Africa I was just like this has to be a joke I mean he's doing back to back to back like eight hour days I'm like oh my god but maybe that would that maybe he was an outlier anyways another thing that I'm glad i do not have to do anymore now george on the other hand my man trains a lot no i did i wrote a lot this weekend please don't say you don't train please don't say you don't train george you're still a professional cyclist yeah you look at him look at his look at his

socials folks if i'll give him a follow on georgeist. Yeah, you look at him. Look at his socials, folks. Give him a follow. George Hincapie on Instagram. Look at the man. And then go back and type in 2004 George Hincapie, some race photos. It's the same guy. It's the same. Same. Yeah.

I don't know about that, but I have been riding a lot lately for certain trips. But yeah, definitely not pro status. Far from. Well, we digress. So on that note, we'll let y'all go, but we will be back. When are we coming? I don't know what we're doing.

We'll be back for the World Championships in Zurich. I'm excited for that. Heads up, weather, weather. I mean, in October, Zurich. I'm excited for that. Heads up. Weather, weather. I mean, that, you know, in October, Zurich, weather could be... Zurich is tough.

I remember those World Cups. That'll be a fun one to watch. Fun one to cover, too. So... Yeah. Also, we have Pogacar, Remco, and Roglic, plus a bunch of others.

Mathieu van der Poel. Not Van Laard, but, I mean, in theory, Pogacar, Remco, and Roglic plus a bunch of others, Mathieu Van Der Poel, not Van Laard, but I mean in theory, Pogacar, Remco and Roglic should be the three big favorites. It's over 4,000 meters of climbing. As today I saw actually that Pogacar said it's hard, but not super hard. So

Mathieu Van Der Poel does have a chance. I don't know if he says that because he's friends with Mathieu or not, but interesting, interesting remark from Blatchoff. And you're on. So I'm, I'm clear. Cause I'm just looking at my calendar. The worlds are September 22nd or when are they? Oh no, 20. Is it not 29th? Let me see. I don't know.

No, no, definitely not 22nd. Uh, that's, well, that would be two, two weeks after the Vuelta. Isn't this hilarious? We should know shit like this. But it's good to know now that we're talking about it. I think it must be the 22nd. Feels like it would be. Well, anyways.

Road Race Elite, September 29th. 29th. Okay. I'll be covering that one from Europe. FYI. I will not be in Zurich. But nonetheless, it'll be good.

Okay. All right, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. Hey, congratulations. I mean, look, I think if we all went around the horn and named our three favorite riders, I think there would be some variation, um, in, in a lot of those names. Uh, but I think it's safe to say that, that Primoz Rogic would be in all of our top threes. He's just the guy we always say it. I mean, dude is easy to cheer for.

He's got a chill demeanor. He's had an amazing journey into cycling. And so congratulations to him. Fantastic win. Fourth tour of Spain. And by the way, a bunch of, not a bunch, but a few people have done that. Who's to say the guy didn't go back and own the history instead of sharing it.

Yeah. We shall see. All right, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. See you guys. Thank you.