THEMOVE - Can Felix Gall Actually Beat Vingegaard at this Giro?| Giro d'Italia 2026 Week 1 Review | THEMOVE

Episode Date: May 17, 2026

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down Jonas Vingegaard's win on Sunday's summit finish on Stage 9 of the Giro d'Italia, and discuss what to make of Felix Gall's impressive to finish second, and what it means for the future of the GC battle of this race as we head into the second week. They also take time to look back on the first nine stages, assess who outperformed or underperformed expectations, and consider what to expect in Tuesday's Stage 10 time trial. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Upwork: Visit https://Upwork.com right now and post your job for free. That is https://Upwork.com to connect with top talent ready to help your business grow. OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THEMOVE at https://www.oneskin.co/THEMOVE  #oneskinpod Lagoon: Use code MOVE for 15% off at https://LagoonSleep.com/THEMOVE NordVPN: EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/THEMOVE Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee DripDrop: Right now, DripDrop is offering podcast listeners 20% off your first order. Go to https://dripdrop.com and use promo code themove.  

With all due respect for Julio Palizari, who is a great talent, great rider. But let's not forget that Jonas Wingergaard can basically win any stage race where Pogacar is not, when he's not 100%. So I think that's the difference. He has just a bigger engine than Pelizari for the moment. Pelizari is a great talent, but everything needs to be top for him to win, which he did in of the Alps, but it costs a lot of energy, man. And then I think also, you know, the all the hype around him, you know, the Italian hope, it's, it's not easy to deal with that as a young writer.

There's a lot of expectations, a lot of pressure on his shoulders. Everybody, welcome back to the roof. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Bernille, and we are breaking down at stage nine at the Jure d'Italia as well as doing our rest day week one review and then also previewing week two. Well, first do the breakdown of the stage. And then if you want content for the rest day, make sure you pause the show. Come back on tomorrow's rest day.

But, Johan, I'll just recap the stage really quickly. And then we'll talk about it. Jonas Vindegard, as you predicted, won the stage summit finish at Kornowalaala. I believe they'd only done this one time before. Is that, I think like Damiano Caruso, maybe was in the front group. It was like 20 years ago the last time they did it. Phyllis Ghal was second 12 seconds back. David P. Gonzoli from Team Visma, Lisa Bike, third at 34 seconds back.

Edging out time and hour has been for a four second time bonus. Super impressive. Yon's going to tell us he's got inside info about why they're doing this with their support riders. The day, what started faster, you know, was one of these stages where flat-ish, flat to rolling for the first 100 kilometers. And then they hit two climbs that were kind of merged together as one final climb. The toughest gradients were in the last four kilometers, which is where the action was. But there was a hard fight for the breakaway, a move. I mean, if you really want to fill time on the rest, I go back and watch the opening hour of the stage because it was quite interesting watching the breakaway being formed.

A soft move gets cleared. DeCathlon is really anxious about strong riders going away that can contest the stage. Clearly, they wanted to try to get Gaul a stage win and, I guess, make a statement on this race. You can see riders, you know, the GC teams and sprint teams are blocking the road because Milan's trying to get up the road. Manyae was marking him. A lot of interesting stuff happens. But they eventually blocked the road. The break gets a gap of around two minutes.

And then when they get to a little like a small climb, uncaturized climb, Julio Chocone rips clear, bridges up to the move with two other riders. One of them, Tunards, who's just sitting on his wheel. Pretty funny to watch. But he did better than he would think because he didn't work. is a smart move and then as they get closer to the final climb vizma comes to the front pushes decathlton off vizma in decahthon are kind of fighting for position at the front sepcus gets to the front with about three and a half k to go julio pelazari's dropped before anyone attacks as we as we kind of hinted at yesterday and then felus call attacks with two of two point three ks to go yonis vingard follows

him there's there's no daylight between those guys pretty much at any point all day until vindigard out attacks. Tim and Arnsman was the strongest in the Peloton behind. Gall, they catch Chaconi. They passed them. They drop them. I believe Ina Rubio was in there somewhere. He got passed and dropped as well.

And then Jonas waits until 900 meters to go. Attacks out of the saddle for once. He's putting out major power. Vellon has a power layover on it. He was doing 700, 600 watts during the attack, standing up so he know he's really trying. And then he prized the gap open and stuck around four or five seconds. He gets it up to 12 seconds by the finish line.

It wins. Gall's second. Gall puts time. He loses a stage. Loses time to Vinegard. I don't know if that's necessarily devastating for him into Cathlone, because he puts time into everybody else with the time trial on Tuesday. And then time in arn's been coming in for third place.

No, he's not because he's chased down by David Deppi Gonzalez from Vizma. I didn't see that one coming. And they both finished 34 seconds down. And then super impressively, Johann. The race leader, Afonzo Ullario, who had been dropped when Gall made, the move. He was kind of back with Egan Bernal. He finishes just six or seven seconds behind Arnsman and Paganzoli. He's 41 seconds down on the stage. So he's not, he's losing time to Vindigard, Gall and Arnsman. He's not losing time to anybody else. In fact, he's out climbing them.

So he goes into the rest day, the second rest day really should be the first rest day. 224 up on Vindigard, 259 up on Phyllis Gull, 432 up on Jai Henley, who's now the Red Bull leader after Julio Pellazari had a bad day. Christian Scaroni from Astana 443, time and aronsman net company NEO set five minutes. Pelazari's down in ninth, 515 back. But Johan, what was your takeaway from the day? Yeah, well, Spencer, you summed it up pretty in detail.

But I would say when I started to watch the race, we had decathlon really driving the Peloton. there was a breakaway. Initially, Chikone and Ulyssi and Tonn Arts were not there yet. But already there, you know, Decatlone showed that they had ambition. You know, initially you would say, well, why are you doing this, right? Because they had assistance of Bahrain. But Visma was just sitting and chilling in the peloton, you know, on their red carpet, basically.

They had, they didn't have to do anything. And we heard also afterwards from some of the teammates that their goal today was not to go for the stage win. They didn't want to spend the team unnecessary. They didn't have to. But, you know, logically you would say, why is DeKatlin doing this? They're doing the job for Vizma, right? I thought that also first, but you know, there's one thing that we have to keep in mind, Spencer, you know, the riders in the bunch, they see things, they hear things, they know things and feel things that we don't know. And I'm personally pretty sure that they had information.

You know, they have training partners who are on other teams. And I think they had information about Pellizari before the stage that he was, he's in decline. Yeah. Obviously, you see, you see that two times he couldn't hold the wheel of Jay Hintley. That's a little indication, but also, you know, riders within the peloton. riders on different teams, they talk. So I'm pretty sure that was the main reason. Not so much for the stage win because they know that the Kotlund knows that if they drive it,

they're going to get the break back, but Jonas is still going to beat Felix Gao unless something unexpected has happened. So in my opinion, that was the real reason why they were driving it, making it hard. And you could see two times on the climb. First of all, on that first climb, Pili Dari was already in the back. that didn't look good, but you know, you could say maybe he's just, you know, trying to preserve energy and not fighting for position. But on that last climb, he got to the back of the of the main group pretty, pretty early.

And personally, I think, you know, considering how bad he looked, he comes away okay. You know, he loses what, one minute 40? One minute 40, but yeah, it's like the third. straight climbing stage where you're not looking at least yeah yeah listen i mean if you look spencer i mean i i i i look back a little bit julia pizziari you know he there was a lot of hype about him right before before the the gero um but if you look at his um second if you look at his season right now so he started early february in uh welta valenciana full gas at the service of remco but also third in G.C.

He was the second best rider in the race, I think. Then he went to, he did classic Achayn and Strade Bianque, full gas. From there, straight away to Tireno, full gas, was third in the G.C. And he was first until like the final stage or something like that. Exactly. He did Milan to Rimo. After that, full gas, he got fourth. He did Milan San Remo.

And then he did two of the Alps, full gas. The guy has not decompressed at all. And it's typical for a guy who's been on that high level. He has raced a walk, man, if you look at his days of racing. And always going for it. You know, he never did a race where he didn't go for it, except maybe Mildal San Remo, I would say, potentially. but but that's you know you at some point you come into the Giro really hot and you know

full of energy very motivated after fresh off that fresh off that victory in two of the Alps but here's the bill after after one week 10 days here's the bill you know so I think it's going to keep going in decline for Pellizari he may have you know a revival in a stage or something But personally, I think for the overall, for the podium, I think it's not going to happen for Berizari in this in this Euro. You know who that reminds me of is 2019 Primos Roggwitch. Remember this? He just had an amazing start to the year.

Comes in, engines revved hot. And he is falling. He starts to zero really well. And then he's falling apart. Finish his third, I believe he's salvaged it by, like, it was a few seconds to Mika land in that final time trial. Also, that time trail. One by Chad Haga, who is Texan? I was wrong about that.

Yeah, I know. We said there was never a Texan who won a stage. That's true. Somebody messaged me about it. Sorry, Chad. Yeah. I thought, I don't know if that sounds right. Yeah, he went to Texas A&M.

So first, I'm just going to roleplay as a stupid person here. Then Jonas Vindigard, he's had 24 race days come into this race. He did three stage races as a GC, two stage races as a GC leader, won both. How's that different from Pelazari's leader? in how many how many so he did what he did he did he did paronese in catalonia parinese in catalonia so pelazari has raised six more days than him this year yeah including four one days yeah you can't mean the thing is also i mean with all due respect for julio pelizari who's a great talent great writer but let's not forget that jonas yonos vingegarde can basically win

any stage race where poggachar is not when he's not a hundred percent So I think that's the difference. He has just a bigger engine than Pallizari for the moment. Belizari is a great talent, but everything needs to be top for him to win, which he did in tour of the Alps. But it costs a lot of energy, man. And then I think also, you know, all the hype around him, you know, the Italian hope. It's not easy to deal with that as a young writer.

There's a lot of expectations, a lot of pressure on his shoulders. And, yeah, I mean, the first, the first, I actually know, the first mountain stage, he was not second, so Gall was second. So, well, yeah, he got blown by by Gaul, he got passed by his teammate. And yeah, it was weird as he actually looked. I, when he responded to Vinegard on that first mountain stage, I thought, this guy looks amazing. And then he gets dropped 2K later, and then he's never been the same since. Yeah. Yeah, as I said yesterday, I was very excited about him coming into this race.

And then the closer we look and the facts who just laid out, it's like, well, this kind of makes sense that, you know, he probably not going to, the bottom's not going to fall out, but he's going to have a battle here to finish in the top five, you would think. I think so. Yeah. I think so. You know, it's all, I mean, a three-week stage rates, it's about, you know, the inertia, you know, the energy you have, either go up, you stay the same or you go down. And I think Chulipidajari, unfortunately, is going down bit by bit, physically and mentally. You know, because it must be hard to deal with for him also mentally. You know, he came in super motivated with the belief that he was definitely going to be on the podium.

And now it looks like it's going to be extremely difficult for him to be on the podium. And also he sees other riders who are coming up where he is declining a bit. when even for Red Bull Borahonsgrove during the stage the commentators were saying it's the only team with two contenders left this is the team

they could challenge Jonas after the stage You know I don't want to say the commentators are a rotation of it's like Robbie McEwen Rob Hatch and then a few others

I don't know who said that so I don't want to I could maybe even had switched over to flow bikes when that happened but let's just say things were looking good for Red Bull and then after the stage Jai Hindley's now

he's in fourth but he doesn't even really have a clear pass of the podium because his time trialling is he's going to hurt in that time trial Pelazari's ninth it's quite the switch of fortune for that team which looked like they were coming in strong a few years ago I mean I think I think

Jai Hindley because I got I got a you know a correction from an Australian fan we can't say J it's Jai Hindley. I love Australia, but they just make up names.

Jai. Jai. It's Jai. It's so natural. But yeah, I mean, I think he's definitely, he has the engine. He's proven that he can do a great three weeks, three weeks. Usually is very consistent. It gets better through the race.

And, you know, I think we have to take into account also. So he's now number one within Red Bull in the Giro, I would assume. I've been told that also he's in his contract year. So I don't know if he's signed already or not. But anyway, if he hasn't signed, there will definitely be bonuses for good performances until the end of the season. So it looks like he's not staying in Red Bull. And I've said it already. I think it looks like he's going to Visma if that's not done yet.

But, you know, there's for sure going to be an incentive if he does, he's on the podium of the Gero. So he's, you know, he has a lot of reasons to fight for, for a great classification. There's too many, I think there's too many guys in that same role at Red Bull. I think you should probably leave because they just have, they've cloned the same rider like six times. You can't have six riders going for third place at the Gero or the tour. The thing is also, you know, I mean, these guys, like Jay Hindley, I mean, he's a leader in his own right, you know, but, but then normally he's going to be, he should be in a, in like the super domestic, the last man standing next to the leader, that role. The thing is that at Red Bull, there is nobody to be that leader. I know.

I know. I don't. guarantees right so i think he would be very valuable to visma uh to be in like in the role to be with you know the the the what sapcus has done or what pganzoli is doing or you know he has a lot of experience in grand tours um yeah i'm if he if he goes there i i like that i would like that signing and do you think let's just let's just say pelazari's doing great having a great day because Cathalon still kind of has to do what they do, right? Because Felix Gall needs time on people.

He can't just sit around because he's going to lose a ton of time in the time trial, presumably, right? Yeah. I mean, the question is how much is he going to use against the real contenders? I think Felix Gall is going to lose time against Vingerardt and definitely against Aronsman. Derek G. West. Yeah, but I don't think we can consider Derek G. West a rival for Felix Gall.

I mean, especially Spencer. What a difference a weak face. I don't know if we should just crown gall as like an unbeatable. No, no. I mean, listen, I mean, what we've seen for now, I mean, Derek, Derek G is, he's not bad. I mean, he did a great end of the stage. He looked a bit in trouble there early on on the climb and then he came back pretty good. but and he's maybe going to improve during,

during Chiro, but I just personally think that Felix Gall is in better shape. He's a better climber. And, you know, the 40 kilometers, 42 kilometer time trial is, it's going to make differences, but it's not going to be decisive compared to the incredible, monstrous mountain stages we still have ahead. That's what we always say,

but the mountain stages never, the differences are never that big on them in the mountains. there hasn't been a real hard mountain stage yet there's there was blockhouse which was you know one climb and there was today which was one climb at the end a real big mountain stage with three four mountains there's a few there's like three or four stages of those that that's where philix gall shines yeah i mean but just even like let's go back last year so like one of the hardest stages of the race stage 16 203k big mountain stage um like 5,000 meters of climbing. You know, Derek G. West, he's 13 seconds behind Richard Carapas. He's 20 seconds in front of Michael Stor and Simon Yates. You know, we don't see these big. You don't see big minute

plus gaps in the mountains really anymore. The question is, Spencer, is Derek G in the same form as last year? I, I, he's getting better. Well, I guess so like setting the Derek G. aside. I don't know if Felix Gall can count on. He can't count on big time gaps in the mountains would be my worry. These guys they bundled together in the mountains. We don't see the big time gaps like we used

to. But he already got more than a minute on almost everybody just on blockhouse. Yeah. He's also one bad positioning mistake from losing that time too. You know? I don't well so here, why did the Cathlon

do that then? You think it was just for Pelazari? Because that's a lot of work. Yeah, I just did. I think, I think they're focusing on the podium and they just want to, you know, they want to ensure the podium. And I personally, I think they had information that Belizari is not feeling

great. You know, I mean, I hope, I hope it doesn't happen, you know, but I don't want to jinx it for him, but I would not be surprised if Pelizari does not finish this cheer in Italia. Yeah. But so, but then that would indicate they shouldn't have done that, right?

Because of him. I mean, for the moment, you don't know, of course. You mean, he, initially, we were all talking about Jonas and then was Pelizari. Felix got nobody almost, almost nobody talked about Felix Gall. You know, for the podium. It was, you know, it was it was, it was Pellizari, Hindley, Bernal. Who talked about Felix Gall? Not many people.

Well, he's never finished on the podium. He's not particularly. consistent, I guess, would be the concern. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Listen, yesterday we were, we were banging on Felix Gall for being in the back at the end on those steep climbs. And, you know, so what a difference that they can make, right?

If you were, what's clear, Spencer is that we had two really hard climbs and two times Felix Gall was the best of the rest and was relatively close to Jonas Winger. I think that's, that's my conclusion. If you were decathlon, would you? have worked all day for that? Probably. I mean, I think if you, if somebody, if one of your rivals is having a hard time, I mean, probably not the whole day, Spencer, because ultimately, you know, what, what

you do on the, on the early part, it doesn't really hurt that rival who's in trouble if you're sitting in the bunch. But, you know, as soon as, I mean, it's not really, they were working on the flats. Like, that's not really hurting Pelazari. Yeah. Yeah, no, I would not have done that. It would not have done that. Do you think they were, were they going for the stage when, you think?

Is they really, we're focused on the breakaway? It's not really realistic, you know? I mean, although you never know. I mean, they probably got real big morale out of the last four kilometers on Blockhouse where Felix Gall did take time back on Jonas. And, you know, you have to test your rivals first to know, right? And today, he was strong. I mean, I would easily say that he was equally strong as Jonas today.

Jonas was strong also, but he followed. He didn't take a single pull. Not that it's going to matter a lot on a steep climb, but if you're Jonas Wingergaard and you're the best climber of the race and you're the favorite, you're the one who imposes the ridden once the selection is made. And he decided to not do that. So I take away from that that Jonas and Visma are riding calculated and conservatively,

knowing that bit by bit, they can win this race without going too deep, which I've been saying from the start that Jonas can win this zero, not being at 100% and trying to be 100% in the month of July. I mean, my only can say, I know I just was,

I was questioning for this call, but you get that guy in the third week. Not being 100% could be fatal for Vindigard because the climb's like they're only going to get harder. I'm trying to get inside to Cathlon's mind about why they worked on the flat. And I guess if you win today, let's say you do win. I mean, that's a pretty big boost going into the rest day. So maybe it is worth it.

Yeah, but how was he going to win? He's going to drop. He's going to drop Jonas. And they have to believe that, don't they? They have to. Or what are they doing? I don't think. When you listen to, I listen to him in German today, after the stage.

and he's not taking to account beating Jonas. He just wants to do his best possible best possible result and he's great, he's happy with the form. He's excited about the team.

I think, you know, they had a plan. They kind of executed the plan and, okay, didn't win the stage, but it kind of worked out. He's solidly in second now, in virtual second,

because he still have a little audio up there, but, you know, he's the best of the rest. And then Spencer, let me have talked about it a few times. If you're the best of the rest and something happens to the best, to the real best, then you win. You can't never exclude that. Yeah. So you think they should not have worked all day to pull the break.

Not on the flat. Not on the flat. Yeah. No. I guess I could. Well, they do get, they do get a rest day and then they have a time trial. So it might not end up mattering that much. I still, I still do not follow that.

that train of thinking, Spencer, it doesn't matter. It adds up. The efforts add up, even if you have a rest day and then a time trial where the majority of the team is going to take another semi-rest day, you still pay for what you do today in three or four or five days. It doesn't matter. You don't recover fully. Well, let's take a quick break.

And then we'll talk about Jonas Finnegaard's. His winnie move, his decision to sit on, and then we'll get into a few other things. We'll be right back. Okay, Johan, we're back. we talked about everybody except the stage winner Jonas Finnegard wins the stage 12 second gap a 16 second gap on goal when you calculate in the time bonuses watching it I thought hmm Jonas doesn't have it because he's following Gaul and then he's waiting inside the final K to attack and he was really working hard to pry that gap open then we got some stats because the gerida

talia is really nice and they share power numbers of everybody the twitter account watson cycling did a calculation for Jonas normalizing the power at, or the power watts per kilo at 60 KGs, which is roughly what he weighs. I did my own calculation and had him at about for the last 14 minutes, 405 watts at 6.8 watts per kilo like 1900 VAM almost. So that's, you look at that and you just think, well, he's working pretty hard. Last seven and a half minutes of the final 2.4K when the attack went, Vellon released. This is real power from him.

420 watts. So that's 7.1 watts per kilo. That's not exactly struggling. You know, those are good numbers, which shows you that Phyllis Gahl is really strong because he's doing that in the draft, you know, in a sizable draft.

And they're going 20K an hour. So the draft is not insignificant at that speed. What did you think about it? I also think, I also think, Spencer, that shows, you know, it's great to have these numbers, you know, because we keep saying, you know, okay, Jonas is not at the top of it.

He's probably not in top top shape, but if you look at those numbers, he's not far of his best. No. Because there's not, you can't get much better than this. Right. So if you would compare those with performances in the tour, I think it's pretty similar, you know. Okay, Jonas can definitely be this year on a higher level than ever in the Tour de France, although I have my doubts about that, that he can, you know, he's, he was already on a pretty high level when he won the tour a few years ago.

But yeah, I think it's great to have those numbers to see, okay, this performance is pretty much up there with his best level. Yeah. So he's really good. Yeah. If he was also, if he was serious about winning the tour, he wouldn't be here for being completely honest. I think maybe those days are over.

I don't know, man. I don't know about that. I think they really believe that they can do the double. I think they really believe that, Spencer. You know, until a few years ago, we all thought, you know, that Giro and Tour was not doable anymore. Pogacha showed different. Yeah, but no one should make any decision based on what Taday Pagaccha does. You know, let's, I just want to go back a few more years, like a few more years, like, like eight, nine years ago.

I think, I think Tom Dumoulin was seconded to Giro. and second in the tour. And he should have won that tour and he lost it because he did the zero. Okay, but you know, he was on a really high level in both races. Yeah. So, you know, it's not, it's not impossible. Also, Chris Frum did the double the same year and also did not. He won?

So he won the zero and then in the tour he was not at his best, but he still finished third. I know, but I think that I think both, if we go back and we'll do a rewatch, stage by stage rewatch of both of those races, I think you'll see that they, I think they paid for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, who was the last rider to do the double

before, uh, before, uh, Vichar 1-0 and tour? Was it Pontani? It was Pentani. Okay. Also another person, no one should base any decision off of, right? Yeah. And then before that I was, I think it was,

probably Stephen Roach. No. Did In the Rine not do it or something? In the Rhin did it a few times. Yeah. I think two or three, two times I think. What were we talking about?

Jonas is good. So what do you think about his decision to follow? You said the leader should be set in the pace once they break free. Yeah. It shows that it was not their plan to go for the stage win. They said that. And then, you know, once they got to the last climb, they saw that the break was close enough and they said, okay, let's give it a go. But it also tells me that the acceleration and the speed of Felix-Zal was very, very high.

He was not on the limit on the verge of being dropped, Jonas, but he was not, he was not like whistling and, you know, like, okay, I'm chilling here. He had to work for it. So, I mean, he couldn't go a lot faster than this. So obviously, I think he was wary. He's in a position where he is in front of his main rival. So it's up to his main rivals, try to drop him. I personally think, you know, if he would have imposed the rhythm, it would have looked better, but there's no rules about that.

You know, nobody can blame him for doing what he did. And then winning the stage, that's the way races are. Gall had his interests to distance his closest rivals. And Jonas was with his closest rival and then beat him. So everybody wins. Yeah, I think we should say just from like a game three perspective, he shouldn't have. He has nothing, today worked out perfectly for him going into that time trial.

Like he did a great. Plus also, Spencer, you know, the last three kilometers were 10.4%. pulling or not pulling doesn't make that much difference. There's a bit of, I think it's more a mental. I mean, they are going fast. It's 10%, but they're going 20K an hour. Okay, but still. That is, 20K an hour is fast.

Yeah. Well, I think if Jonas would have pulled the last kilometer after Gall initiated that move, Gall would not have been able to attack him. And then Jonas would maybe have one in the sprint. instead of attacking him. That's maybe the only difference. So, no, I mean, I've seen that he's been criticized to sit on the wheel. It's bike racing, man.

It's the way he goes. We should also say he'd average in the wheel 420 watts. So he might not have been able to set pace. Like, that's, he must have been close to as fast as he would have been setting the pace. I think just the bottom line is feels called strong. That reminds me what I was going to say before we talked about. the zero two or double. It's a theme we've been seen, actually. The quiet theme

is both these guys. Vindigard and Pagachar are putting out really good numbers. You go back to the two of Romandy. I know that was cast as, oh, Tadey sucks now. Look at him. He's fat and he's slow. He's putting out good numbers on these climbs. And he's not winning by a lot.

You know, Florin Lippowitz is a few seconds back. I think what we're seeing is this young, like these other riders are raising the level. So, they're putting out really good power, they're just not blowing people away like they used to. Exactly. Yeah. So something to actually, something to keep an eye on come tour time. Because we've had a two-man race the last few years could be, could be getting more interesting.

Well, I mean, it looks like it's going to be at least a three-man race in the tour because we have to add all success into the equation initially. Yeah. No, I agree. Totally agree. Couldn't agree more. Should Felix Gall be going to the tour to support policy shots? No. No. No, I don't even agree with that myself. No. I mean, listen, Paul's Exxat would be great for him, but, you know, if it's your main goal, the Gero, you focus your whole season on it, that, you know, you do great.

If he finishes on the podium, which, you know, looks likely, then, you know, there's, you have to decompress, then you have to go to altitude again. Usually, and then if you have to be in a support role, usually you don't bounce back. Look, for example, okay, it worked out fine for himself. Last year, Simon Yates won the Giro, then he went in support of Vizma. He won a stage from a breakaway, but I can't remember. And then he retired because he was sick. Other stages that he was of any value for the team in the mountains.

Yeah. It's not. Right? Yeah, it's not a good idea. I shouldn't have even said it. Just before we leave the stage, we should talk about Afonza Ullario. So he had the jersey, got the jersey by a lot because of a breakaway. The thought was, well, he's going to slowly lose it and fall down the standings.

He's getting chipped. We said we'd lose like a minute and a half to Vinegard yesterday. He lost 41 seconds plus time bonus. So 51 seconds. Didn't lose a lot of time. The more impressive thing and the more notable thing that we'll have to watch, he's not really losing time to a lot of other GC guys. He loses time to Gall and Arnsman other than Vinegard.

He takes time. He's taking time on people. takes time on Derek G. West, Jai Henley, Julio Chocone, I guess he's not GC. Michael Storer, that's not good if you're going for a high GC placing where you have this guy that's minutes in the lead and he's taking time on you in the mountains. Like, what do we make of this? Well, I'm now all of a sudden, you know, he's what, how far is he ahead now in G. Well, so it's deceptive because he's 244 in front of Vindigard, but that's not. He's like five minutes in front of time.

And aren't. Okay. So 24. 24 at the Guingegaard. I'm saying that he's, there's a really good chance he's still in pink after the time draw. I agree. I mean, taking two and a half minutes would be really hard. Yeah.

And also, let's, you know, depends. It depends, you know, if it's, for example, I just watched it's a straight line, 42 kilometers, straight line along the coast flat. Um, these are good bike riders, man. They're in great shape. You know, they all have good. I mean, I don't know. Visma probably has better time to all equipment than Bahrain.

But let's say if it's tailwind or something, he's not losing 2 minutes 44 in 42 kilometers being in pink. Yeah. I mean, I don't think he's going to lose it. I think he's going to start to be a problem for the podium. So he's three minutes behind. He's three minutes in front of Gaul. Goal probably catch him.

He would think he's four in a fourth place. In the mountains, yeah. Fourth place is four and a half. half minutes behind him. The problem being all of these guys fourth place and blow lost time to him today. So what would suggest they will start taking time on him? Well, I think today also, I mean, you know, he started, I don't know if you heard his interview after the race. He started conservatively, you know, in the, he tried to save as much possible energy, not fighting too much for a position. If you, you know, if you remember, we saw him a bit, a bit more in the back of the group thinking,

oh, you know, he's slipping away. He's having some trouble. And he did a really amazing last two kilometers. He caught up with a lot of guys that were in front of him. Obviously, that's also the power of the pink jersey. You know, like you're in this trance. You know, all of a sudden you say, oh, wow, you know, I'm not that far behind. You get motivated and, you know, it gives you wings, the leader's jersey. And even if you're not on Red Bull.

But, but, yeah, I think O'Lio is in this zone now of being. you know in the leaders jersey and the second biggest race in the world and um yeah after the rest day he i think i think you know top five top ten definitely i would say i'd be uh shocked if he's yeah the top ten yeah he's let's not forget spencer you know he is a good rider he is a good climber you know he's not this guy this guy has been already in front like with sometimes you see these attacks in certain races on climbs and all of a sudden you see this this Bahrain guy there who is who is that oh it's it's a lot of you i've seen a few instances of those already that say wow this guy is a good bike rider well on that note last year probably one of the toughest world championships of all time

270k brutal brutal tom pickock said he's a very good very good rider right tom pickock would all agree he said oh man that was i wrote all out hardest race have ever done ullario finishes two minutes in front of Tom Pitcock at that race. Wow. So that's... Which place? Ninth place. Finished right behind Juso.

Isaac Bel Toro. Julio Chocone. You know, like, these are good riders that he's with. I mean, shout out my friend JP had to point this out to me. I had forgotten about this. That shows you as a more robust rider maybe than we originally thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And still young and developing.

And discovering his limits. Yeah. So, and oh, so you were going to tell us about Pekonzoly gets third. This surprised me. And I actually worked out for them because, you know, the other day we're like, why are they have these guys up there? He takes sprints, out sprints, armsman gets a time bonus for third. But you said you have inside info.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you look Paganzoli and Sapkuz are the ones that keep pushing. Because Paganzoli got third. Sepkuz got eight. Also didn't sit up. No. Right.

So from what I understand, the first reason is if there's a bike change. Okay. You have somebody close. I mean, both of those guys are, you know, they're not super tall and those bikes would serve Jonas, you know, in case of emergency, because the car is never going to be there. You know, they're never going to, they're going to be a lot earlier than the car. Yeah.

Unless it, you know, it's a long climb and Jonas is one or two minutes ahead. But it's, I can understand that. You know, it's a great way of assuring that there is mechanical assistance from within the team on the roads, always nearby. Yeah, actually, this reeks of Patrick Brough as well. But I actually do quite like that because if you're Jonas, it's the biggest disaster that other than a crash, it's the biggest disaster that could strike. Physically, you're there, you're where you need to be. Oh, you got a flat because you're running a time trial tire. and you're standing on the side of the road.

I mean, we saw it happen to Vanderpull, right? Probably Costum Rubet this year. Let's just hope they're on the same pedals. Let's hope they're now riding different pedals. They're all on speedplay, no? Envisma. Yeah, which is owned by Yahoo now, I believe. But, yeah, actually, Lance was an early speedplay guy.

Remember that? He switched her to speed play because he thought it gave me better. Probably was on to something there. Sometimes I wonder about being locked into an SPD pedal, and if that's good for you or not. Pigan's only 23, super impressive, right? I didn't see that coming, but yeah, I don't know, give me more of that. I want to see what this guy can do.

What a pickup that's good for them. Anything else, Johan, on the stage before you move on? I think we've covered everything. I mean, poor Chicone, man. It was a great stage for him. You know, it looked like he was strong, but, you know, he spent so much in that pursuit. You know, when they went, when these three guys went, they had to bridge two minutes.

Two minutes, I know, with one guy helping him. And they did it in a 15 kilometer distance. In 15 kilometers after they attacked, they were there already. So that cost a lot. Then afterwards, you know, he was kind of driving the breakaway also because as soon as he got there, I think the others say, okay, you know what? I mean, he's the strongest guy, so responsibility to him. But it shows that he's in really good shape.

probably going to win a stage in this uh he already had pink and i think he's going to win a stage in this euro is it is a bit of bad luck too because i heard that vizma didn't want to win the stage and they were going to let a break go so if it wasn't for decathlon he would have won that stage yeah yeah that is bad luck and we got pretty close 57 seconds off the leader he was right there um but that's what you got to do i actually like the idea of adjusting to the scenario like ooh i don't like this early breakaway situation i'm going to wait till the bump when I can get away and bridge up to them. You're fresher when you get to the final climb.

I think that's actually the way to go versus trying to get into it at the beginning, which was seemed really hard. Yeah, but not if it's two minutes, Spencer, and you have to chase for 15 kilometers with just one guy pulling. That takes a little out of you. That was probably what cost him the victory at the end, that pursuit. Do you think, though, to get in the break at the beginning, he's going to have to give so much on a stage like today.

I mean, there'll be better stages later that he'll get a chance at. Today was always going to be hard to get away. Yeah, he said that he's looking more forward to stages where there's some heli-derated right at the beginning. A good stage, not these crap stages we begin. No, they've actually been pretty good. But let's take another break and then we'll do our week one review. I've got some questions, some rapid-fire questions for you.

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to remember. You'd think it wouldn't be that we've only nine days in, but we started in Bulgaria, if you remember. Paul Monnier went stage one in a sprint. Stage two was a very hard climb. I had kind of forgotten about it until I went back and watched. But Eunice Vendigard attacks, breaks things up. Thomas, or sorry, Guillermo, Thomas Silva from Uruguay. Anastano wins the stage. Gets the Maglia Rosa. Paul Manier win stage three and a cobbled sprint.

They transfer back to Italy. Jonathan Narvias wins a reduced sprint after Egan Bernal was dropped, and Turner had to drop back. Igor Arieta win stage five. Brutal, brutal, cold, rainy day through like medium mountain. mountains. Davidae Ballerini win stage six in Naples in the crash Mardt sprint. Jonas Vindigard wins stage seven on blockhouse. Jonathan Narvaeis wins again on stage eight.

Beautiful breakaway day through the Marque region. Jonas Finnegaard wins today, stage nine. That means Palminea is two wins. Jonas Vindigard has two wins. Jonathan Narvias is two wins. We're already seen a pooling of resources with the top 1% here. Thomas Silva won, Arieta one, Ballerini one. All these guys are very good riders.

That's what they all have in common. And the stage winning teams, it's even more pooled, Johan. UAE has three wins. Siddall Quicksup has two wins. XEAS Astana has two wins. Vizma has two wins. I don't know if I've ever seen a grant tour that goes into the first rest day where no team has less than two wins or has a single win.

It shows you how hard it is out there for a small team. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard. If you have to be a really good rider to win a stage and a grand tour and as a team to win multiple stages. It's not given, you know, it's not given. It takes a lot. So, but yeah, I think we saw really entertaining stages, man. I mean, even, I mean, even the sprint stages were, we're entertaining. Unfortunately, you know, some of them because of crashes. But now we get to, we get to the first real rest day. And these nine stages have taken already a lot, a lot out of the

riders. Because the speeds, in some of the stages were incredibly high. And from now on, you know, stage 10, that's when it starts. When you start to see, okay, the half of the peloton, the energy is low. And most of those guys do not recover anymore. They just drag themselves now through the next two weeks, which is very long in the Gero. And if you were Vizma, if you were Yonis, what would your strategy look like for the second week? well it looks like he's not

I mean maybe not going to be in pink so I would personally I mean there's this also Spencer I don't know if you've heard of there's this debate about the skin suits yeah okay I was I forgot to bring that up but first of all why is he in a blue jersey do you know well he's he's the leader in the mountains classification is that what that is of today I think yeah it's the mountain's classification so As of today, I think he's officially number one.

Wait, before. Was it a Lalio before? I mean, it must have been a Lalio. Anyways, he's in the leader's jersey and of the mountains classification. So by definition, you have to wear the skin suit of the sponsor of the Giro, which is in this case, Castelli. And I've seen something, a comment of, I don't know if it was Jonas or a staff member of Visma that they think that over 40 kilometers their skin suit, which teams put a lot of resources and a lot of money.

A lot of money. And research in wind tunnel testing, getting the best possible equipment, then collaborate with their equipment sponsors, bikes, wheels, helmets, glasses, clothing to have the best possible equipment. And so they seem to think that their skin suit over 40K is a minute faster than the Castelli, which I personally think it's it's it's it's a lot but you know mentally if a writer knows and has done all those tests and then has to on a day on an important day has to put another skin suit on that kind of sucks you know and it's it's the it's the eternal debate right like okay why don't why don't

the organizations of the big races just don't give the design of the leaders jerseys to the teams with the right sponsors on and let them produce those same skin suits with their own manufacture. I mean, ultimately, it's not going to make that big of a difference to an organization, whether it's the tour, the Giro or the Vuelta, to have that little bit of extra money from a clothing sponsor. The big money comes from the advertising sponsors, you know? And so I think that's something that the team should fight for and impose actually.

I think the teams should impose the fact that, okay, we'll wear the leaders jersey with your sponsors on, with your sponsors on. But we produce them. You know, it's easy. Yeah. Just give the design to the guys and so that everybody actually use the investments that they have made over in the offseason to get faster. It makes no sense. Let's say that's right. Let's say it's a minute, right?

Well, but what's a minute? That minute doesn't matter. Do you know how many additions over the last 15 years have been decided by less than a minute of the year to tell you? Not many. It's basically half, seven of them, seven of the 15. Seven of the 15? That's what I'm telling you about the mountains, man.

They do not produce the gaps like we used to see. So in theory, this could cost Jonas, the zero to tell you. Just mathematically, half the time a minute would cost the rider, the overall win. So it's not going to cost him the way, but it's probably not going to cost him a minute in the time trial. That's probably everything being equal, like in a, you know, I don't think it's actually going to cost them that. Well, listen, Costelli is also a good brand. Yeah. Whether they, I mean, actually they have their own brand, Fisma, right? They actually do what they want they they're not tied to a clothing sponsor. Don't they have like this, what is it called, yellow B or something?

Yeah, it's like yellow clothing. It used to be, they used to be a, what was like, Gaboo or something? I'd never heard of the company. No, Agu, but then they went away from them and now they have their own brand. I mean, maybe, I've heard maybe you get like,

I talked to a clothing sponsor that said they were paying a team, like a million euros to sponsor the team. So maybe Visima thought, it's not worth it, right? Just make her own clothes. But a lot of these years- Agu was definitely, not paying a million. I can tell you that much.

Well, yeah, then they're probably not, let's just not do that. But it is like, the Euro is a race of small margins. You think about it as being a race of big margins. It's not. So if you're, you're Jonas, you got to wear this jersey. You go in and then he's probably not going to get the GC lead. So then do you just lay low for the second week? Yeah, I would, I would, until the next, I think the next mountain stage is what is the stage 13 or 14?

14. Like the big mountain stage. It's actually, it's almost a week from today. Yeah. So it's another three, four days, you know? Yep. It's perfect. It actually is a perfect situation for them. Yeah. For everybody else. Of course, Spencer, he's going to go full gas and if Alio doesn't respond. He's going to take pink. He's not going to leave pink just on purpose. He's not going to slow down on purpose to not get the pink jersey in the time trial.

That I can guarantee. Should he manage his effort in the time trial, go slow on purpose? That would be idiotic. What was your highlight? from the last week, your personal highlight. Hmm. Difficult to say. I mean, for me personally, I think that the most exciting stage and the guy, actually I was happy to say this was probably the win of Areta.

After all the drama, the crash coming back. The other guy crashes, Alario. Then Areata takes the wrong way, you know, and then still comes back and wins. you know, when both of them were dying to get to the finish, I think that was for me the most exciting moment of the whole of the stages, probably. That's probably been the thing that non-cycling people, just random people have mentioned to me. Personally, I like the Narvaeus stage wins. I thought, I'm a Narvaez guy.

I thought yesterday was beautiful. I thought it was a beautiful stage. And also, I mean, the super exciting stage of Guillermo Thomas Silva. I mean, Uruguayan, a guy that is relatively unknown for the broad public to win in that fashion. That was super nice. And we're learning so much about these guys. Like, I didn't know that much about him. And then now, you know, he's a very good rider, like not just a sprinter.

So that's very cool. Who's won the GC besides Jonas? Because he would obviously be the winner. So, like, who's having the best GC race that, but you can't say Jonas? Well, for the moment, it's Felix Gall. Yeah, yeah, it is. He's in poor position to be on the podium. Also, I mean, who's, yeah, I mean, listen, I mean, we've talked about Alio that he's in great position.

I'm kind of liking where Hindley is going. And even if Ben O'Connor today was struggling a little bit, I still see him being up there. I mean, at least top five for Ben O'Connor. But, yeah. But I think the winner for the moment of the G.C., except Jonas is Felix Cowl, no doubt. One person, I would agree with all that. One person I would add in there who's kind of, we forgot about him. He stormed onto the scene at the Veltta, the Remco won.

Time and Arnsman. I mean, he was the main engine in that chase today. And then he wouldn't have wanted to lose to Pekonzoly, but he finishes ahead of most other GC guys and he's going into the time trial and he's climbing well. So that's we're finally seen Aronsman kind of put it together in a GC sense which

we've not seen before. And also very very exciting exciting to see Markle Beloki in 11th place, 20 years old son of Joseba Beloki. You know he turned pro when he was I think 18 years old

straight into the world tour. So this is he's 20 years old this is his third season as a as a professional lateral road borderline too early to go pro and he's in he's in 11th place in the overall so he's hanging in there he's you know he's confirming that you know he has he's really a solid rider i don't know i mean i don't know how long he can stay there but i would love to see that guy uh finish in the top 10 that would be that would be really cool um how did he pick that team he's on eF I don't know.

I don't know. He was on a Spanish team. And then they offered him straight from juniors, straight from juniors to the world tour. Yeah. I mean, that could have been the deciding factor. Maybe there wasn't a lot of teams willing to do that. So who's had the worst GC week in week one? I get relative to expectations.

You can't just pick the person in last place. No, I know, I know. I mean, disappointing a bit, obviously, is Egan Bernal. I think the worst G.C., I think, is probably Enrique Mass. You know, if we still consider anybody, you know, let's not forget this guy has been at least three times, if not more, on the podium of the Vuelta. He's been top five in the Tour de France.

He did obviously have physical problems in the offseason, which we don't know the extent of these problems. It was not looking good. Well, you said he wasn't able to do physical activity for three months, which. Yes, yes. Yes. So I don't know exactly what the problem was. But obviously, you know, he's completely out of it.

So I think, but I would say probably Egan Bernal, no, I think we expected a bit more from him. doesn't look like for the moment he is, he's not even in the top 10. No, but the thing about Bernal is we expected more, I guess, and then you go back and he's actually pacing about where he was in the last grand tour he did, well, it's his money. Yeah. And he says he's doing the best power of his life.

So maybe that's just kind of what Bernal is right now. Yeah. And he was seventh at this race last year. So you would think maybe his ceiling's higher than that. I actually looked up whose last place super interesting. Do you know who it is? I'm going to tell you because I'm here. I'm just here on, wait, so who is it?

It's actually very disappointing. Oh, wow. Frank van derbrook. Wow. That's a writer. Something must have happened to him also because he was very promising. He came from a third division team, like a club team, did some really good races in Belgium and the Netherlands got picked up by DSM back in the days.

I never know what the team. were called in the last few years these teams. But, and then was two years ago, the driving force in stage one at the Tour de France and let the victory to Roman Barbe. Yep. In Italy, right? Yep.

In the Tour de France. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with him. Something must be wrong. And we thought, man, this guy started the future. And then just something's not quite right. That whole, I mean, my next question, which team has had the worst week?

Um, um, difficult of probably picnic, picnic post and hell. They're nowhere. I mean, I was, yeah, I would have said the same thing. Um, I mean, little track. Little track. Yeah. Technically, yes. They've been close.

Today they were close. They've been. They did have a leader's jersey, we should say. It did have the pink jersey, true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, from the big teams. I mean, Red Bull has not been, you know, they're up there, but there's no results, no stage wins yet. So I think they came for more than this.

The problem with Red Bull, too, is no stage wins, not really the prospect of stage wins. Because unless Jay Hindley is going to, in Pelazari, going to win from the GC group, how are they going to win a stage? Yeah. You know, that, that would start to worry me. Picnic, a little disappointed, especially since they have guys like Frank Fandembrook, you'd think they're struggling to get in breakaways. We did learn, I feel like we should, we did learn that there was this big talk of, oh, they got a six million euro buyout for Oscar Conley.

And then we learned maybe it was about a third of that. Yeah. And so you're like, where did all this money go? It's like, well, actually, maybe they don't, they might not be hoarding a bunch of money that we thought. And, you know, it actually has me going back. questioning a lot of what we heard this last off season in terms of financial figures

because my guess about what happened there is an agent went to a writer and said this is what NEOs paid for Onli or this is what Trek paid for so-and-so and the figure gets put out there and it inflates the market for everybody else. Now I'm kind of questioning

a lot of what we heard in terms of these transfer fees. Yeah, we never, we don't know. We don't know. Yeah. So I wanted to throw that out there Because Picnic could be like a lot. Six million seemed like a lot for me to, for Oscar only. So, yeah. Yeah.

So it, and everything makes sense if you learn that that's not true. You're like, well, okay, that's why Picnic's not signing a bunch of riders. That's, you know, they probably paid a more reasonable fee along, you know, Remcoe Evanapult went over for a fairly reasonable fee to Red Bull. So if he got that, it would make sense that someone like Oscar, Ronley would get three times as much as money. Do you call that a reasonable fee? To get Remco? Would they pay like $2 million? Yeah. How about seven? Wait, wait. What was the transfer fee for Remco? It was seven million. Are we sure about that?

I am 99% sure. Is that as salary plus his fee? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Transfer fee, seven million. That's too much. Yep. That's too much. Yeah. Well, interesting. Huh. I'm reeling now. I'm reeling. Okay, last question. Who is going to surprise us in terms of G.C. in the second week? I don't know. Let me have a quick look at the G.C. So, um, Frank Van der Boeberg. I think, you know what? He's going to lose time in the time trial, but, well, I think Aronsman is going to be good. He looks like he's solid. But I think if we call it a surprise,

I'm going to probably pick Matisse Rondel, the French rider, the young French rider on two door. Very good. He's a really good climber. There's no pressure on him. He's 22 years old. Yeah. I think he's going to maintain the position there in the top 10,

if not move up a little bit, although moving up is not going to be easy. But yeah, I think that that would be the guy. And I said that was the last question. I lied. Who's going to win tomorrow's stage 10-time trial? 40, what do we say? 42 kilometers and it is pancake flat and it is straight down the coast.

One direction. Tuesday. Tuesday. Yeah. People gone, no. Got to be Ghana, right? I mean, even if we try, let's try to reverse engineer and upset, who is even even upsetting him.

I mean, Ghana or Aronsman. If Arnizmann wins the time trial, that's, that would have it. That would be interesting because then. Normally it's, normally Ghana. It's Ghana. It's definitely Ghana. Or Jonas. Or Jonas. Well, Jonas beating Ghana in a 42 kilometer would be, that would be, surprised. But let's not forget, it's 10 days, although Ghana,

I mean, yeah, it has to be Ghana, Spencer, because Ghana has been now the last three days saving himself. Saving himself purely for this time trial, you know, so I mean, Ghana owes it to himself and his pedigree to win the time trial. The only other person I would mention is Alec Sejant. Alex Seigant. Seagart. I mean, that's the only other guy would even the engine, I would think, to compete. Yeah. Maybe Mateo Sabrero, but.

Yeah. Gunna's probably, you know, better. I mean, he's a better time travelist than Alex Segarth still for the moment. I also don't know, I mean, if you look at the equipment, the Pinarello's are probably better than the Bianke's, the timebri bikes. Yeah, yeah, probably. I mean, you have to take it into account, you know? Well, yeah, it was.

I was thinking about that too yesterday because which went to picnic. We're like, where's picnic? Picnic should be up there. You know, Brider, that was on picnic last year. and is now on a super team told me the bike is significantly slower on picnic. So you do. Oh, yeah. There's no doubt about it.

You kind of forget about it, but it does make a big difference. I'm going to say my big prediction. You haven't said the name, but I probably don't. I'm not going to say his name. He goes from this bike to probably the fastest bike in the world. Probably the slowest bike to the fastest bike. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

And it's probably not stressed every day about his paycheck. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. He probably feels better on the bike. My big, I think Ghan is going to win. I think you're right. My big prediction, Jonas has a disappointing time trial. No.

You don't think so? Okay. But I guess we should define, you think he beats. What would be a disappointing time? What would mean a disappointment? I think he loses. Not taking enough time on on Felix Gall and whoever on the Hindley?

Well, a success would be taking time on every GC contender. Yeah, which I think he will. I think he does not. Except Arons. I think he doesn't take time on Aronsman. That would be my definition of disappointment. Is Aronsman a real threat for Jonas Wingergaard? I'm going to say no.

Probably no, but if he doesn't take time on Aronsman, then he's not taking as much time as he could on Gaul, and then does it leave him vulnerable in the mountains in the third week? No. No, the best climber, Spencer. I mean, he is the best climber, but it's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not slam the book shut with these performances. He's won.

No, that's true. That's true. That's true. Absolutely. Like 13 seconds. So, yeah, two times, two times a small margin. Correct. Correct.

The, the, the, the, the, the question is how hard did he try. I mean, on blockhouse, he tried. I mean, the numbers would suggest he's trying very hard. Yeah. And also, you know, he went with 4K to go. you know so 5k to go no more or less 5k to go and then lost time after the last 4k so that's that's a hard effort yeah yeah yeah yeah he did try hard there today he didn't try it very hard he just you know took the same time with a 900 meter effort compared to a 5 kilometer effort took the same time on

and that's a good point yeah 500 meters versus 5 kilometers same time yeah which is probably also why he did not leave that wheel because he didn't want the same thing to happen. How do you think Gall does in the time trial? Not good. Not great. Not great. I mean, he's on good form. So, you know, like he's probably going to be top 20, top 30.

How much time does he lose to Vindigard? Minimum two minutes. Whoa. I was going to say a kilometer a second or sorry a second a kilometer yeah no no no no no you two minutes old okay if he takes two minutes yeah gall is going to have a hard time yeah in the third week yeah 30 seconds per 10 kilometers yeah two minutes would be oh yeah that's a blowout yeah so but you're taking two minutes on gall and then two minutes on ullario you think yeah yeah and then ulario

Raya holds the race lead. I think Ollalu will probably outperform goal in the time trial. It's not, yeah, that's not crazy to think. I, I don't know. I'm, I'm curious to see how Gall does. I'm going to say, I'm going to go on a limb. I'm going to say Gall loses 70 seconds to vinegar.

110. Okay. And we all say, oh, whoa, Ginny hang. I mean, we both know that Jonas is going to win this race. I'm just trying to entertain myself in my own mind about what could happen. But thanks, Johan, and we'll be back after the time trial on Tuesday to talk about it. All right. Thanks, thanks, sir.

Bye.