THEMOVE - Clever Racing Defeats Raw Strength on Mount Ventoux | Tour de France 2025 Stage 16 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka “The Professor”) break down Valentin Paret-Peintre's impressive ride to win atop the iconic Mont Ventoux summit finish, holding off a persistent Ben Healy and the fast-closing GC duo of Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard. They discuss how Paret-Peintre and his Soudal–QuickStep team leveraged their combined strength to secure the first French stage win of this Tour, what Vingegaard’s resurgent climbing form means for the GC battle, and how Mathieu van der Poel’s rest-day withdrawal and Jonathan Milan’s failure to score at the intermediate sprint impact the Green Jersey competition. Before signing off, they take a few listener questions and preview what awaits the peloton on tomorrow’s stage. Zwift: Zwift just made it easier than ever to get on the virtual roads. All Zwift-ready trainers come with the new Zwift Cog and Click installed, making them ready to ride from the box - no extras needed. Zwift-ready trainers start at just $299, meaning anyone can jump into world-class indoor training without breaking the bank. No excuses. Just ride! https://zwift.com Ekoi: The entire EKOÏ website is currently on sale until the end of July, with discounts of up to 60%. It’s hard to find better deals! Special offer With the code THEMOVE15, you get $15 off any purchase of $150 made on the EKOI website until the end of July. https://ekoi.com The Feed: You heard it first on THEMOVE. A better morning for only $3.99 and our listeners save 20% today. No code needed, the discount is automatic. Go to https://thefeed.com Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Timeline: If you care about performance, recovery, or just want to stay strong as you age — check out Mitopure. Go to https://timeline.com/THEMOVE and you’ll get 20% off. Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

Valentin Perret-Panter, what a... I can't get it. I mean, this is a hard game to play on any level. If you're 114 pounds and you're quacking in the Tour de France for three weeks, that's got to be hard. For him to still be in this race and to punch and counterpunch with Ben Healy, the Energizer Bunny of the 2025 Tour, I mean, we said it. This is one of the most exciting stages so far. This is the MOVE Podcast. Talking about stage 16. I'm Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins. Howdy. Mr. George Hincapie. We are gonna get the hat on the show one day. And the professor. Good morning. Spencer Martin. We do have the professor's gonna come in handy today because we got some fun stats about Mont Ventoux, the giant of Provence. It's such a

special place. But Alain, tell us, tell us, you know, tell us what we did today. Stage 16, from Montpellier to Mont Ventoux. I mean... From Montpellier to Mont Ventoux. As is the case each and every day, presented by Keytone IQ. Well, coming out of the rest day, I can't think of anything worse to do than a... What did you tell me, professor, that 50 kilometer average folks at home that think in miles, that's 31 miles an hour, to the base of Mont Ventoux?

Yeah, out of the rest day, how do you do? Well, nasty, nasty. Yeah, nasty. Last time I rode that was 2009, very similar stage, flat run in, lots of wind. Bradley, you were there, actually Lance was there too. I was there. We arrived at the foot of the Montu,

Vavavon, sorry, with like 25 guys. Somebody else has been on a rest day. Because of the crosswinds. Yeah, yeah, nasty. What happens when something like that happens? You have to be super mosca, you have to be paying attention because everybody's thinking about the final climb. But all of a sudden, the crosswind is happening

and the peloton is exploding. And it was fun to arrive at the bottom of one too. And I just kind of rode up my pace. Obviously you guys had to race for your GC. But I think I still finished top 20, just chilling. All right. Do you guys remember who won that stage? 2000, that's a good question.

It's harder than you think. Of course, Bradley remembers. Who? Garate. From Robert stage? 2000. That's a good question. It's harder than you think. Of course Bradley remembers who? Garate. From Robert. Tony Ma was second. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Tony was on my team.

Yeah, we talked about that. I mean, this is a stage that, and we saw it today, right? And we saw it during our heyday with Richard, Dickie V. Varonk being able to stay away and win the stage, which I don't know how I feel about that. Bonne Thu is just such a special mountain, right? You love a day where, and look, it is still bitter about giving that win away, aren't you?

It's so bitter. Very. I could see you watching it today just like steaming up. I don't love it. I don't love it. But we'll get into all that action. And just the dynamic of the race and how it played out today, look, also too, we should, before we take care

of a little business, Valentin Parry-Pontra. What a win. What a win. And a team win. Yeah. So a few kids at home watching bike racing, that was a great team game that quickstep played and all

114 pounds of this guy not only that coming from group two and Shown like mad focus and poise all the way up to climb Doing the work with Ben Healy bridging up to Enrique Moss and then then Ben Wilder, the MVP of the stage coming up. I mean, how exciting was that stage? I think the most exciting stage of the Tour de France. It was very exciting. We thought he came out of the crowd. Yeah.

I know. I never even seen him in the race. It looked like he was on an e-bike at one time. You said Remco can jump back in. Yeah, I mean, I actually thought he was a spectator for a minute because we hadn't seen him the whole climb. We hadn't. We'd just seen those guys going toe to toe with each other all the way up. Enric Mas looked like he was going to, you

thought he was going to get it at one time. I did. I mean, when he went, you know, being a top five finisher of the Tour de France, having six minutes on the yellow jersey, over a minute and change on the second group, dropping the Dutch guy on Indio's and Alaphilippe, I thought he was going to roll away with it. Yeah, it just shows you this race is wearing on. 16 stages in, you guys are just, you're seeing it, right? When we talk later in the show about the green jersey, you're really seeing it with a guy like Jonathan Millon just taking this toll.

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Don't forget to get your hoodie now on the feed merchandise.com. George was wearing his hoodie. But when we took it off, I walked in this morning. I was late. I wasn't helped by a peloton that was going 50 kilometers an hour. But when I finally got up post rest day, family family was gone, wife was down in Denver with Grace at seeing Mumford and Sons. Oh man. Oh now I understand why you went riding. You love your me time don't you? I think I'm gonna go down to the show with grace. I was like, so I can play golf with my buddies and just do nothing. Go biking with your buddies. Oh maybe not. So I go ride by my favorite person, play golf with some homies, kind of just come home, chill, do nothing, scratch the pelota all alone. Found your shoes. I found my slippers, thank you Bradley. But no, when I finally got up it was on and I remember thinking, geez I'm not gonna get down to the studio until they have already started them on too.

It's just such a special climb. I said it the other day and I do believe it and I saw a clip that Johan backed me up on this which is pretty rare. I think it's the hardest climb in France. It's certainly. And look, there's some great times in France, some very hard climbs in France. I don't think any of them are this hard and also have the mystique of the volunteer. I just love the vibe of it. Here it is in the middle of, you know, you're in Provence.

You saw it. If you watch the race, you saw the helicopter shots. It's just so gorgeous. I think Provence is, you know, they kicked me out of the US. And you're looking for me, just look for me in Provence. I'll be in Provence. I love it.

The riding's great. And then bam, this massive mountain just appears out of nowhere. It's just so special. It is. And not to do any plugs for former sponsors, but the BMC family has a hotel called La Coquillade, beautiful, 30 kilometers from the base of Mont Ventoux, one of the nicest places I've ever stayed

at. But a lot of people don't realize, they show when the climb actually starts. Well, we all know that 5, 7K run into the bottom of the climb, slightly uphill, super exposed, is about as hard as it gets. Any run into any horse category climbing the Tour de France That's what makes this climb even more difficult than most of them And little little do a lot of people know I think of most people are aware There is a backside the riders and the teams and team cars would have gone down the backside today. There's actually a third side Comes up from Another point up to shall I bard, so you would have done

sort of the second half of the traditional Ventoux. But it's just incredible, you see it sitting there, it's just this bald mountain. Yeah, I spent my whole career thinking, boy, the altitude is really weird here, that nothing can grow. Well, that wasn't, as I go digging this morning, the Ventoux was, used to be the entire

mountain was a forest. They started deforesting the mountain in the 1200s to support the shipbuilders down down on the coast. And they've tried, you know, there's been some efforts to make it a forest again. It's not looking like that's taken off anytime soon. It's also, and this is, cause I asked this question the other day and I certainly asked myself a lot is, why doesn't a climb this special with that much mystique and this much lore and so much history, both good and bad, I mean, how many years has it been, Professor,

since we did the Vonto? It's been quite a few years. Well, we did, in 2021, we did it quite a few years. Well, we did in 2021 We did it twice in a stage, but it didn't finish on top. I've descended well been art one, right? Yeah, yeah and then remember there was the disaster was at 2016 where they had to move the finish down and then Compressed all the fans Richie port ran into a motorbike Chris room is running without his bike. Yeah, not a good situation Maybe that's scared them off from doing it for a couple years. Well and

it's as I was reading UNESCO has deemed it you know some special environmental sites. You have to imagine that the impact on the mountain with a million spectators, all their campers, all their stuff that a lot of people probably unfortunately leave some stuff behind. I suspect that's the reason we don't see it more often. Nonetheless, Valentin Perret-Pontre. I can't get it. This is a hard game to play on any level. If you're 114 pounds and you're quacking in the Tour de France for three weeks, that's

got to be hard for him to still be in this race and to punch and counterpunch with Ben Healy, the Energizer bunny of the 2025 Tour. I mean, we said it. This is one of the most exciting stages so far. Yeah, I mean, this kid has made his career today. He's an instant French national hero. The way he wrote it, I keep saying,

just told complete poise, confidence, going after Ben Healy, never overdoing it. And then Ben Wilder coming up at the last minute. I mean, what textbook teamwork? It couldn't have gone more perfect for them. It was really fun to watch. He came out of nowhere, though, didn't he? He did.

Yeah. I mean, we wasn't even aware. Was he in the original break, Spencer? Well, the break went, remember, like, there was a three rider break early. It gets, like, caught, and then a bigger break goes. Yeah. I think he was in the chase group,

because they had Van Wilder and someone else up front. And then, but he must have gotten away on the flat, like at 50k an hour. And if you watch the way the guys were racing, the breakaway, they were attacking from 4k out, maybe even five, they were doing these mad attacks to try to drop each other, and then slowing down. So, and then when Ben Wilder was able to ride his pace, probably could see him the whole time and just thought, man, if I can get up there. I mean, he didn't even hesitate. It was such an awesome display of teamwork. I love watching that. I mean,

that's what teamwork is all about. Something like that. Well, he just puts it all on the line for himself, knows that his guy has got the best chance to win, and just does the most amazing job for his team. And you can see it at the finish line when he ran up to him and just like totally hugged it out. Was so happy with it. But he had, anytime you're in that situation, right, you've got a decision to make. So for him, he would have to go as hard as he possibly could to stay out there to even remotely affect the race. Or you just say, look, I've kind of done my job. I'm not a nobody. Literally nobody, including us, is talking about me. I'll just put it in the biggest cog and just chill up this thing and make the time cut. That's one of the most questions I get asked.

Like how did you do so many years like helping out Lance, helping out Caddell Evans, Mark Cavendish. But as a rider in the team, there's no better feeling than being able to pull off like helping your teammate win, but being a major part of it and knowing that you put it all on the line. So for him to go home tonight, he's happy. I mean, he feels like he did. He knows he was the line. So for him to go home tonight, he's happy. I mean, he feels like he knows he was

the differentiating factor. For sure. Maybe other people will be like, why didn't you go for the win? Well, he knew what he could do for his team that day, and he did it. And it was incredible to watch. Can you imagine how hard he must have chased? Oh, yeah.

I guess it's a good lesson, too, like always, if you're a domestique, just keep riding. Yeah, that's right. Because they slowed down, and he was able to catch them. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's that point where he has a decision to make. Yeah. Maybe he's getting some, I'm sure he's hearing

from the car with some strategic advice, but. I wonder if the car even, there's so much going on about two people, you know, they're attacking. I wonder if they even knew he was creeping back in. There's probably a good chance that when he rolled up, they're like, oh shit, we're back in it. Let's go get back in the run. You know what?

I mean, Ben Willow, turns out he is from Belgium. And it also turns out that Belgians actually know how to race bikes. Yeah. It's kind of second nature for them. Unfortunately for Quinn Simmons a couple of days ago, it's just a different world, right? They think very strategically.

Well, and if you're a young rider in Belgium, you're getting roughed up. Even if you're very talented, maybe is a way you wouldn't if you're an American. I mean, you guys probably were just riding off the front of every race you did in the US. Here's a question. I know I was.

Sorry, Bobby. Does this sit all quicksup, team? You'd be watching this saying, man, if I'm a GC contender, that looks like a nice team to be on, which makes it weird that Remco's allegedly trying to leave. It actually looks like a nice landing spot for a GC contender. Well, not only that, but it's just such a testament to the depth and the strength and the will of this team

that they lost their GC guy. They came into the Tour de France, basically giving Tim O'Leary a free card, like, hey, go for the sprints, you win a stage, great. They won two stages? Three stages. Three stages. Well, two with Tim, right?

And then they won four. They won four. Yeah, that's right. With Threm, they won the time trial. Their GC guy goes home, so now they're like, well, what do we have now? And then this guy steps up to the plate, makes it an opportunity, wins the biggest stage of the Tour de France so far. First French rider to win a stage,

did we say that already? No, but that is the first French rider of this year's tour. And then for a hot second, Enrique Mast, it was looking like he could potentially pull it off. That would have been the first Spanish stage victory, 2025. These are things, like 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago, you would never expect to be uttering those words. No.

The other big story today is Jonas Vingegaard. I didn't hate it. It was good. I didn't hate it. Although it was really good. I thought his team was also exceptional. Had guys up there, he had help along the way. Look, man, help along the way. You know, look man, the kid's trying. Yeah. I don't know if it was wishful thinking,

but there was a moment where it looked as though Tade was swinging a little bit on his first, on his first acceleration. Yes. And we got a bit excited, didn't we? But after that Tade just seemed to get better and better as the climb went on and it was never in doubt. But Jonas, I think that was one of the best days he's had.

We did, there's no doubt, there's no hiding on Mount Ventura, zero hiding. And interesting comment from Jonas Vindegard in the press conference the rest day was that he had, the only, the four minutes come just from two bad days that were subpar performance for him. He knows what he can do performance-wise. Today, you saw what he can do performance-wise.

He's right there with Pogachar on the hardest climb of the Tour de France. No hiding. And we thought maybe he was swinging a little bit so but he's lost not likely but maybe he was hurting. 80% of his deficit in 70 minutes of racing. Yeah interesting. You saw that he's 0.01% behind Pogacar. They're almost equal. Yeah. Like it's just those bad moments have sunk him. I think Tadi Pogacar. They're almost equal. Like, it's just those bad moments have sunk him. I think Tadej Pogacar is in whatever, the ripe old age of, where is Tadej now? What, 26 years old?

26. 26 years old. I think he's learning the game. And we all fall for this, too. So, oh, look at his face. He's suffering. If you watch five seconds earlier, he caught Jonas's wheel while he was in the saddle.

So I think he's learning to play the game, even in his comments to the press, which I love. Don't just let these people play like a fiddle. Play them back. So I write boldly, just 26, just getting, uh, getting salty. Does he have seven more tours in them? That's the question. He might, he might. That'd be something. The way he's going. Yeah. Yeah.

Wouldn't put it past them. All right. We'll be back in two and 32. All right. Welcome back, everybody. If you watch the race, you saw you saw that they were going this two man race behind Tadej Pogacar and Jonas Binger. We're going very fast. In fact, I thought everybody was going fast when when Healy and Perry Pontreau were attacking him and they were from the helicopter shot. Looked like they were flying. Nonetheless, Tadej Pogacar sets the all time record

up Mont Ventoux. What did we say there, Sven? 54.41. Yeah. Beats a time from Ivan Mayo that we were actually in that race did in a time trial in the Dauphiné Libre in 2004, was it? Yeah, 2004.

55-51. 55-51. So those two guys, of course, Tadej got in for two seconds on the line. So he's now the official best time ever, a minute 10. And that's a time trial. That was a time trial. So just for those at home, I mean,

start at the bottom, finish at the top. Fresh. No three hours or 2 and 1.5 hours of going 50k an hour, finish at the top. No three hours or two and a half hours of going 50K an hour, wearing out the legs. And if you believe what the report said, there was a lot of headwind on the second part of the climb. It didn't seem like headwind to me, but those were the reports.

Nonetheless, new best time ever. Well, on that broadcast, they were saying like saying like oh if Tadej was healthy he probably wins this. It's like he got the record by a minute ten. That seems pretty good. This goes right into what I was just saying. He's perfectly healthy. Yeah. Perfectly healthy. We should mention he did have a good draft which you wouldn't get in a time trial because he was in the wheels basically the whole time except for that one attack. That's true. And he was in the wheels basically the whole time except for that one attack. That's true.

And he was sitting behind Visma, sitting behind, and they're going 12 miles an hour average. Yeah, that's a great point. I'll take my chances in a one-off time trial than at a stage like that. Draft or no draft. What was your time on Alptewas in the time trial versus? I have no idea.

I don't know. I was, that's Bradley. It must have been your fastest time, I'd assume. The time trial versus. I have no idea. I don't know why I'm perfect. That's Bradley. It must have been your fastest time, I'd assume. The time trial? I guess, yeah. I don't know. Johan would know or somebody would know. I love seeing how we mentioned earlier

how aggressive Vindigo was. Putting a lot of time on third place, which now he can really just race all out, not worry about keeping his podium spot. He's got six minutes on third place. So I think we're going to see a lot more aggression out of him and his team, which like you mentioned earlier, they had a great race today. I'm super aggressive. Had guys scattered all the way out throughout the climb that were able to wait for Jonas and help pace him and try to make a difference with Fogatrar. They didn't, but I think it was the first

time this tour that we actually saw a little grimace on Fogatrar's face. Yeah, yeah. It'll be interesting after tomorrow's stage, the next two days, where they've got, you know, several climbs before the last climb, which I think really suits Jonas, this Jonas anyway that we've seen today. Well, to George's point, and we just said, I mean, this is a two-man race, right? Dingergaard's 41515 behind you got to go all the way down to 903 down to find Florian Lipowitz and our man Oscar on Lee. I love this story. Uh, he's now two minutes. I mean this now starts to become a big deal for him. He's having the race of his life. I don't think he expected to be in this position where he's is right.

That it is a very big deal to finish. Someone's knocking. Someone's knocking. Yeah, but he lost. He suffered today at the end. But who's coming? Roglic. Our boy Roglic.

He creeped into fifth place in the overall. He seems to be working for Lipowitz though. Within spitting distance of, well, Lipowitz was cracking today. There was a little bit of turning of the front end. At one point, Lipowitz attacked Roglic, and then Roglic, being the veteran that he was, has kept his pace and was clearly stronger

than Lipowitz at the end. Like Bradley said, the two days after, on Thursday, Friday, are gonna be carnage. A guy like Roglic, I mean, he hasn't crashed this tour. I'm thinking he's podium. Yeah, I don't think Primoz Roglic is laying awake at night hoping he can be on the podium. Well, that's the thing.

He doesn't have the pressure he's had this year. He's even said, I'm just trying to ride, have fun. Get a stage win. He's gonna creep his way in there. However, Lipowitz and Omley, I mean, these guys are laying awake at night trying to figure out a way and figure out a dream to finish on the podium.

This will be a fun story, and there's a lot to finish on the podium. This will be a fun story. And there's a lot of hard days. Two minutes is a long time, but some of these stages coming up. Yeah. So are you saying you wouldn't want to see Roglic on the podium? No, I didn't say I didn't want to.

I just said I think the fact that he's not sitting up worrying about it because he's won five Grand Tours is definitely an advantage. The pressure's off. Did it not look like he could have dropped Lipowitz? 100%, he was waiting for him. Which makes it, if he's gonna, yeah, Lipowitz would really have to fall apart then

for Roglic to ride away and beat him for the podium. That's my concern. Another interesting update today. Matthew Vanderpool does not start with, I guess, sick. And then now has been diagnosed with this to me is, I couldn't believe the hell it has been diagnosed with pneumonia. I mean, that's pretty, I've never heard of anybody getting pneumonia.

That's heavy. Driving the brake on Sunday. He posted his recovery score. It was 1% on... Is that doctored? We have questions about this. 1% recovery. It's a strange one.

I mean, if you've got pneumonia, you know you got pneumonia. I would think. Yeah. I've never had pneumonia, for the record. I haven't, but it's pretty severe. It's a hospital job, isn't it? Yeah. There's no doubt.

Two weeks, two and a half weeks into the Tour de France, I'd say 70% of the pelotons cough and sneeze and stuffy, rolling around half sick. That's just part of the Tour de France. Is this like his broken wrist, though? And then remember a week later he's racing? And it's like, well, was it broken? Or some things get lost in translation.

I can't imagine him pulling out of the Tour de France for something else after this, because he's in the clear running for the green jersey, which would have been huge, even though he's won everything. His big objective this year is mountain bike world championships. And then Johan said yesterday, he talked to someone close to Vanderpool that said he's not interested in the green.

Yeah, so I don't know. I'm not saying. Well, if he wasn't interested, why was he going for these bonus brands? Yeah, that's what I don't know. I'm not said well if you want to know why why was he going for these bonus? Yeah, that's what I thought was strange. Yeah. Hmm Well, I mean it's it's a first of the first time we've ever heard of it but I'm salty cuz I bet on them yesterday Now you lost on the MMA fight and then

Gabrielle flicked you on the MMA fight. What's his face lost? The, the, the, the, the Cajun. The Cajun. He lost in New Orleans. Apparently Gabrielle said he was, there was no chance he could lose. He's at home. He's beating all the way to us. They went all in on the bet.

And then Spensino over here goes, don't worry. I got it. Brandon Paul is getting the green today. He's out of the race. So my fund did, my investment did not go through on your fund, right? Because I think there was some mix up with the wire. And then live bet, Pagachar plus 100 mid-stage to win this stage.

The fund might be closing up shop. Also going to get real interesting here. I don't know what we've done 16. How many stages? The 16th stage, We have only five left. Is that right? Do my math for me. Not only that five left, 15 teams, 15 teams without a win. Have we ever gotten this far into the race without 15 teams winning a stage? I don't remember. Early days of the tour, but not in modern times.

Big teams, big budgets. I mean, a lot of these teams, their whole year relies upon them getting a result here. So it's just going to be crazy hectic racing this final week of the tour. One question for you guys. French teams without stage wins. French rider just wins. French rider was on French team last year.

Yeah. How does this happen? How does he get away from Decathlon to go to a Belgian team? Well you never know the dynamics, personalities, you know lots of teams put a lot of emphasis on the ambiance of the whole team, not necessarily numbers and results, so you don't know what happened there. Yeah definitely with French teams there's a change of environment, change of mentality. When you're in a French team you know you're at the Tour de France. The pressure is on every day in the bus. And just getting out of that, Sylvain Chavannel did it years ago. Broke out and started taking yellow in the Tour. And it's from being in a different

environment. He's been in an environment where the attention has been focused on Remco and his achievements and what he could have accomplished in this race. And so he's had a pretty much easy tour from that point of view, other than helping Remco. Once Remco's gone home, he's able to flourish. Yeah. Yeah. It is crazy when you're at the tour and they just anonymous co-fitness rider finishes, like the swarm of press around them. Like the pressure must be... Yeah. No, I mean, he'll be in the Soudal bus, hearing stories that no Frenchman has won a stage at this race. But the journalist outside his bus aren't asking him those questions. But outside every French bus, it will be even spoke about in the team meetings in the morning. Come on, we need to be the first French team.

The pressure cooker that it builds through that three weeks is immense. And lots of French riders flourish when they leave and get out of France. Historically. Kind of like when you left your friend's team. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, exactly. The pressure cooker was too much. I mean, so Vanderpoel leaves the race, probably not going to win green. So you'd think, well, Jonathan Milan's going to win green, right? No, skunked in the intermediate sprint today. Just the breakaway is too intense.

He tried to get in it, couldn't get in it, dropped back. His team, you can't control it at that speed. Pogacar is now 11 points behind. He's like a great white shark. It's funny. A guy like Jonathan Milan, incredible cyclist, track, amazing track rider, best sprinter in the world. Probably never really had to make early breakaways. It's a whole new thing for him. Um, probably hard to figure it all out. It's not something that he does all the time, so you can see it.

I mean, these guys that are going in these breaks are breakaway specialists. That's all they do. That's their only shot to win a stage. But at the same time, he's gonna have to start figuring out if he wants to keep that green jersey. Is this Jonathan Milon's first Tour de France? Yes.

Okay, so that's what he's really getting at now. Yeah. Oh. Well, John, no. Not this year to this year. This is not the Giro, baby. I would not want Tadej Pogatar knocking on my door for the whole trip. He's losing some sleep over that. I have said this for two and a half weeks. This is the Tour de France, folks. This is a different beast. This isn't the Giro, right? This isn't the Welto. This isn't anything else. And Jonathan Milan is understanding what the legs start to feel like in this race. It's just everything is elevated here and it's just that much harder. What's a good, like, is there an example you can give for people at home?

The difference between the Giro and the tour, like an intensity over the racing? Yeah, I would say this, I mean, for us, I did the Giro once, like half of it. And it's just and back then it was like one day full gas, one day easy. I think nowadays every race is full gas from the gun, but it's certainly a lot less attention, a lot less pressure for foreign riders. Obviously very intense and lots of pressure for Italian riders. But in France, the pressure comes from everywhere because it's the biggest race in the world there's a lot more pressure a lot more

attention that goes into this race you do still get stages the zero where there's no break and they're rolling along at like 20 miles an hour yeah it's that just doesn't happen to the tour no doesn't today's show also brought to you by ketone IQ we've been talking about it each and every day they are our presenting sponsor a couple of options now we've got the ketone IQ, we've been talking about it each and every day. They are our presenting sponsor. A couple of options now. We've got the Ketone IQ Classic Shot, 10 grams of ketones. Then new, the Ketone IQ Plus Caffeine. So there's five grams of ketones and 100 milligrams of caffeine, all based from green tea, two

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Like I love Wikipedia except mine. Um, I'm as fact whose phone is on somebody. It's not me. It's not me. Wait, is it me? Shoot? No, it's not me. I have a little history for you too. You, my wife, gave the yellow jersey to Verank in 2002 on top of Mont Ventoux. Wow. The moment she holds it to you. You couldn't find any pictures though. The weather station must be very-

It was from 1882. Certainly doesn't look like it. This is according to Wikipedia, from 1882. That's kind of the, you know, when people, it's really cool, a lot of people do make the trip to Provence just to ride the Ventoux, and that's kind of the iconic photo you get at the top, and you've got that weather station in the background, 1882.

It's gotta be well built, strong winds up there. Oh yeah, it's, yeah, it's just a, I mean, it's big when you get up's big when it almost looks like a spit, like what you would build on Mars or something if you wanted to live there. It's like very, I think it's the highest recorded wins in all of France. Isn't it? I believe that before. Yes.

Wow. The Mistral, they call it. Yeah. The Mistral. Yeah. Blows through Provence. Uh, should we look at tomorrow's stage? Because again, just keep in mind what we just told you.

There are 15 teams in the race who have not won a stage. Everybody's tired. So Bradley, to your point, these French teams, and frankly, a lot of other teams are getting a real stern talking to every morning in the team bus. And time is running out. And then you throw in a day like this that is the thing that sticks out to me the most about the stage is it's short.

So anybody that even is tired of thinking, well, boy, I got to try something. It's not a 220 kilometer stage, 160 kilometers. That to them is short. That really, I think that just opens up the race and animates everything and it's gonna be, I mean somebody's gonna take a, Jackie Durand just taking a flyer kilometer zero. Well, that happens now guaranteed kilometer zero.

I'm never awake for that, but I take your word for it. They definitely attack from kilometer zero. And like I mentioned before the show to Spencer, I thought like, Trec's only option is to control that. But now looking at the profile a little bit more in depth. The sprint points up the climb. Milan's been hurting on the climbs. They're going to have a tough time controlling that.

But if we still had Phillips in and we still had all these sprinter teams, they can definitely work together to keep it for a sprint. But we don't have him. You know, the teams are getting tired. 15 teams without a win. They have no option, but they go and break away tomorrow. It's going to be mass chaos tomorrow from the start.

It's a big day for Milan tomorrow, isn't it? You almost have to hope a break goes early. You then control the gap and then somehow make it a sprint finish. Like you've got to like let the break go as early as possible, let them cook and then reel them in before sprint finish. Like you've got to like let the break go as early as possible, let them cook and then reel them in before the finish. Correct.

Which team, if you had to just pick one, which team has the most pressure to perform? AG2 or Arc de Cathlon. Big budget coming in too. I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Especially after today.

Yeah. This is the kid who just won on Malt Malt 2, you let go and you read the reports, you're coming in with a 40, $50 million budget starting in 2026, your French team. Are the Marseilles shipping people calling in saying why is that guy not on the team right now? Probably a little bit of pressure from the pro.

That's not far. They're not calling, they're sending somebody up the hill there. And you know what's crazy is all these teams haven't won a race or a stage, and then UnoX, a wild card invite has won. Great. Yeah. Great. Yeah. And they were, they affected the race today. They were, they're racing their bikes. Yep. Yeah. Those guys are aggressive. They make the breakaways. They're, they're in it for a shot of the top 10. Uh, they, they started from

the first stage. They had two or three guys in the first group of a very smaller select group. So they've had an incredible race. Kudos to Thor and that whole team for putting together such a solid program. This other storyline, yet another Tadej Pogacar storyline, he's now in the lead in the polka dot jersey climbers category. Shaping up here I mean he might get three jerseys in Paris yeah yeah yeah I think we kind of rift on that a week ago does he want yeah I would say I don't even think he wants that I think he's thinking about Lenny Martini is gonna go all in on you know Thursday and Friday to get in the early break at those those points hopefully he can keep get that yellow that K1 jersey back.

Yeah, because those are key stages. Stage 18, three HC climbs, two before the final one. So if Lenny can pick up both of those, Tadde wins the stage. They're still even because it's double points. And think about it. I know you guys are going to laugh at me, but Bachran has not done anything else

in this Tour de France. They're all in for the KOM Jersey. If they go home without anything, they're one of the biggest budget teams as well. They need, they need that polka dot Jersey behind marriage years ago. They start sponsoring his team and we had to show course George's, you know, were you listening back there? He could not say Bachran, but I mean it was a good bro. Come on. Were you listening back there, Brad? He could not say Bach-Ren. Bah, bah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ren. I mean, it was a little bro.

Come on. These poor people spending all this money on the team. You got to say the name right. Try it right now, George. Say it. Bach-Ren. Nailed it. It's perfect.

The only thing about Lenny is he's like last wheel looking behind him on these stages. And you're like, I don't know if I like that. Well, Buitrago, you had a, there was about a minute there where Buitrago was in that group before. And of course from Columbia, which George always loves. But I mean, you know, the minute George tips him, they seem to go backwards.

Oh, I know. I thought he was going to win. You should just. Would that have been the first Colombian ever to win on Vontu or? Oh, that's a fun fact. Probably. That's a good question.

That would have been nice. That seems a little hard to believe. But he's coming around. I would guess he's going to be in the breakaways on Thursday and Friday as well. So he's got chances. It would have been. At least at the Tour de France, it

would have been the first Colombian. Also, just an example of how much harder the Tour is than the Giro. So today, Pogacar, just just quick estimation back of the napkin. Here comes the queue. The Spencer haters go about this actually about criterions. This seems somewhat reasonable. So 6.5 Watts per kilo. That's like counting in the drafting for Pagache are and then Simon Yates on the

Finestra similar length climbs about an hour long, both of them, 6.2 watts per kilo. That's at a little bit higher altitude. So you have to take that into effect. That's at the Giordatai stage 20. And it's on dirt. And it's on dirt, so you're not going to produce similar power. The Vonto is very steep, but I will

say it's about the Giro and Italy as a whole. The climbs are steeper. Yeah. You think about things like more Tirolo and things. These are unbelievably steep, so watts easier to come by. So it's just slightly more power needed. 6.2 watts per kilo on the Vonto, you're finishing probably with Florian Lepowicz,

just a little bit hotter at the front on these stages. Time for our Ventum trivia of the day. It's been two days. The question was, which rider holds the record for the longest successful solo breakaway starting from Carcassonne? Did it in 1947. It was multiple choice. I always loved multiple choice when I was in school. I think there's some safe answers. You always pick C or something that's if you just don't know you got to obviously pick one you got a one in four chance options were Louis some Bobay Albert Bullhorn genre big Andre but the anyways the answer the winner the correct answer Albert Burlong be today's

question in 2016 race leader and eventual winner Chris Froome Famously ran up a portion of the slopes of Mont Ventoux. Why was he forced to? run, I Don't know. I can't remember why he was forced to run but I can remember I can I can remember that was so it first of all Just wild to see but there was You know, they all the time, well, is that, are you allowed to do that? You're definitely not allowed to do that.

I'm like, I will die on this hill. You should have like, the time should still be running on that. He didn't, you cannot finish the race without your bike. Simple. Well, he did finish with his bike. I think he ended up getting a bike. He got a second bike,

but you can't just leave your bike and run down the course. You have to go back to where you left your bike. The tour is wearing on him. But in Criterion, you can get a different bike. Well, you get the new bike where you leave your old bike. And the rules are so clear on this. Come on, ASO. It's wearing on the professor.

I want that tour stripped from Chris Froome. I mean, for a guy from Balder, dude. Dude, I'm going to die. You're going to die on that hill, bro. Is that Bear Mountain? That's Balder, dude. You're getting tired. You can't say things like that.

I'm quite tired, yeah. We got questions? Yeah, we do. I have a question. No. Would Justin Williams have won today on bond to, I'm kidding. That's not the question. It's, it's, this race is wearing on folks. It is time for this to be over.

This isn't it really? I didn't tell you, you get to stick around for eight more days and cover the tour de France femme of ex with a bunch of buddies coming up from Texas. I got a lot of tee times, a lot of action, a lot of big money games. I haven't told you yet, but, uh, talk to Ali and Mari is the cat coming. That's the big question. Okay. All right.

Get to the question. Get to the question. We're going to get in trouble. What, what happens with all the money that UCI collects from fines? This is from Chad. Good question. It's an excellent question. Nobody knows it and nobody will ever know.

Who knows? Ski lift tickets, probably. Do we not know? No. Well, I have no idea. Like, think it goes into their budget. If it goes into the UCI's annual budget, you would think Christmas party.

Well, it's an odd incentive, because at some point, they're counting on that money. So they have a quota of fines they have to levy, or else they aren't able to operate. These aren't big fines on the grand scheme. When you think about the size of the event. I think the biggest one that I was just handed out was five grand.

And that was the biggest maybe ever, they said. I did read that. So I mean, if you think about Formula One, these guys are getting fined $250, $500 million. Those are fines, folks. Ryder throws a bottle or whatever. What is it? $250 Swiss francs.

I mean, nobody's buying yachts. I didn't realize there was fines for intimidation now. There was talk about it this morning about Neil's Pollitt, the way he was marshaling the front of the peloton and marshaling brakes and stuff and there was a level of intimidation apparently the commentary team was saying and he could get a yellow card tonight in the communique because of his intimidation which is crazy. It is crazy. These are grown men. You get two and a half weeks into the Tour de France and you've been controlling the Which is crazy. That is crazy. It is crazy. I can assure you. These are grown men.

You know, it's like. And you get two and a half weeks into the Tour de France and you've been controlling the breakways for two weeks of that, you start getting frustrated and you start getting cranky. That is. And they have the power to not listen to you. Yeah. But you start dishing out yellow cards for supposed intimidation. I mean, who decides that?

Yeah. It's crazy. They've got to keep those lift tickets going. Get those fines out. Good question, though. So this is from Louis. Where do you guys think the friction between Tadej Pagache and Matteo Jorgensen comes from?

Does it go back to stage 19 of last year's tour, where Tadej passes Matteo on Easel of 2000 with 2K left and wins the race? No. It doesn't quite explain why Tadej is then passes Matteo on Isla 2000 with 2k left and wins the race. No. It doesn't quite explain why Taddei is then marking Matteo. But do you guys know where this friction comes from? No, but you talked about that list, which was interesting and kind of disturbing. But no, I have no idea.

I think the fact that they're just kind of button heads the whole year and obviously they're the number one, two favorites and pretty much each grand tour they've done. I mean, think about what happened in zero. I think it's just natural that they are going to start bumping heads and hopefully, you know, it's nothing personal and nothing serious, but yeah, you don't like to see that. And I think it's natural that within a group of any group, if you put 200 fit athletic men in any room, there's gonna be personalities that clash.

And we don't, you never know why, you never know when, but it happens, right? And something along the way has created this friction. Also too, Matteo Jorgensen is no pushover. I don't know him at all really, but as I watch him, this is a kid who's gonna, he's gonna stand his ground, which we love as we all should, and it's just not gonna take shit.

So that probably also doesn't sit well with- Yeah, I was gonna say that. He's dead as to having a posing opinion on someone. That's right, yeah. And so hats off to him, and you know, and on we go. We're gonna start wearing T-shirts. Free Matteo, Pogge. Please, free Matteo, let him go on and, and we're going to start wearing t-shirts free Mateo bogey, please free Mateo. Let him go on the break.

Is that a play on something else? George? You know, on something, a video of, I think it was the 95 tour. It was enduring, like just mark in the yellow Jersey, marking a guy out of the breakaway because he didn't like them. Yeah. We had, I mean, we had our guys, you know, the Nakura for example, we didn't ever wanted to let him get away. Just not only, maybe not because we didn't like

him, but we knew the damage he can inflict on us later on in the stage. I didn't like it. You didn't like anybody. That's true. But we had certain guys that if they would go, we'd be like, we're not letting him go. So definitely teams have these people on their hit list, so to speak. There was a tour where Yann Ulrich was marking Vinokurov out of breakaways. Wazzy was his teammate. So I think that feeling might be mutual, Lance. It did occur to me on the rest day, great athletes, generationally great athletes tend to dominate their competitors so much, they almost,

it's like an extinction level event. If you think about Lance, you almost, it's like an extinction level event. Like if you think about Lance, like you almost like, I don't want to say like domesticated, the other riders that could have challenged you. And then there's almost like, it's like someone dumps roundup on the lawn and they're just like, everything dies. And like the others almost forget how to win.

Same thing with Jordan. Like he was so dominant that everyone in the NBA stunk for like five years after he left because they just Mentally dominate people so much and I kind of wonder if yeah Tiger Woods. Yeah Michael Phelps if this is like an effort by Taddy to be like I'm gonna like I'm gonna get in this guy's head before he's even my my challenger

Well That's it for the oh oh, here's another question. We're going to leave it on that somber note. No, no, no, no. I never thought we'd talk about roundup on the move. But last question. So George wants it to be a nice warm fuzzy one. This is a nice one, I hope.

Yeah, it'll make me happy. Maybe we'll say something nice about George. So this is from Steve. We don't know, Matteo could beat Taddy next year. This is from Steve. Who's the disembodied voice at the beginning of the show? That doing the French pronunciations? I know.

That's a lot. Well, what's the back? Does he have a story? Is he AI? You probably don't want to know this. No, no, Alain. No, it's not AI. His initials are AA. He's, he's, where's he? Alain is from Avignon.. Just lived in Aspen for many, many years. 1989 you came in. 1989, think about that. This town in 1989, here we sit,

it's been a long ass time. Local dude. And- Drives a cool car. Good rider. Really cool car. Just an all-around cool dude. And then, I don't know, we're just,

I think the first few years we would attempt to say it. And I had this idea, I was like, well, wait a minute. I know this French dude, why don't we just have him? Let's have, it's fun to have these little things. So that's who it is. Alain Azizy is his name. Is he a chef? No, he's a, I don't think.

He's a real estate agent. Yeah, he's an agent. He does other things, does investment. Yeah, I think he's a man. No, he's a, I don't think. He's a real estate agent. Yeah. He does other things, does investment. Yeah, I think he's a man of all trades. I think the most starstruck of all trades. Is meeting him. That was a big hit. You were starstruck about meeting Alan?

I was. I mean, you listen to him every day. It sounds like Steve would be pretty excited. Yeah. So that's- He was on the show last year. Yeah, and he popped in the studio the other day. We'll have him towards the end, Steve. He sat in that seat, Spence. Yeah. So that's, that's He was on the show last year. Yeah. And he popped in the studio the other day. We'll have him towards the end.

He sat in that seat. Yeah. Big shoes. And then of course for the tour to France, family of ex-Swift, we, and I'm assuming we'll do it again, George, it'd be weird to have a lan guy. I actually just texted her because Dave Boltski keeps reminding me.

So for the women's tour, we'll have Mel Hincapie doing the pronunciations. Oh nice. So Steve, just so you know, but don't ask that question then because now I just gave you the answer. So while he's on the golf course you can be hosting the stages. Yeah, you'd be like, Mel, where did we go? What did we do?

I'm getting divorced if that happens. And, and as I, are you going back to Europe after this? Yeah, honey, you know what, just eight more days with the kids. It's not that big a deal. Here's the, the bad news is, is you're going to get a divorce. The good news is you're going to go back to Boulder with a cat. Okay. Me and the cat. That is an inside joke over here. We Me and the cat.

That is an inside joke over here at WeDo and the Move. One of these, maybe, maybe, maybe somebody will talk about it during the women's race. I was about to say something and I can't remember. Anyhow, we'll see you guys tomorrow. Thank you so much for tuning in. Thanks for watching!