THEMOVE - Did Vingegaard Pass Up an Opportunity to Salvage Visma's Tour? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 19 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka “The Professor”) break down Thymen Arensman's surprising and impressive win on the 205 Tour de France's final mountain stage atop La Plagne deep in the French Alps as the chasing GC favorites, Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard, once again let a chance for the stage win slip away after getting caught looking at eachother. Behind, Florian Lipowitz solidified his overall podium finish and White Jersey, after distancing Oscar Onley on the final climb. The crew debates whether this makes Ineos' Tour a success and, if not, where they go from here, before answering a few listener questions. Zwift: Zwift just made it easier than ever to get on the virtual roads. All Zwift-ready trainers come with the new Zwift Cog and Click installed, making them ready to ride from the box - no extras needed. Zwift-ready trainers start at just $299, meaning anyone can jump into world-class indoor training without breaking the bank. No excuses. Just ride! https://zwift.com Timeline: If you care about performance, recovery, or just want to stay strong as you age — check out Mitopure. Go to https://timeline.com/THEMOVE and you’ll get 20% off. BUBS Naturals: Check out the BUBS Collagen Club Welcome Kit with over $100 of FREE perks when you sign up for a subscription. This includes a 90 day supply of Vitamin C, coffee mug, mix wand, and more. And Use code......THEMOVE for 20% off your next purchase. You can stack those savings. Go to: https://www.bubsnaturals.com/discount/THEMOVE and use the code THEMOVE for 20% off. Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Ekoi: The entire EKOÏ website is currently on sale until the end of July, with discounts of up to 60%. It’s hard to find better deals! Special offer: With the code THEMOVE15, you get $15 off any purchase of $150 made on the EKOI website until the end of July. https://ekoi.com Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

The whole tour they've told us how they're going to ride, what they're going to do, how they're going to try and isolate Tadej. And then today I thought they did the one thing they haven't tried the whole tour. They sat back, they let UAE ride. UAE did a great job in marshalling everything and keeping it all pretty close on the last climb. He stayed with the first attacker Tadej. Then it looked like all he had to do was sprint.

If he was willing to risk his second place on GC in the last few stages for a punt at yellow, he did do that, but he obviously didn't fall away from second. Then today I thought he could have risked a lot more to try and win a stage, which would have salvaged his tour. We'd have been talking about him in a different light and he only had to sprint 50 meters earlier and he probably would have won the stage. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the MOVE Podcast, brought to you Each and Every Day by Key Tone IQ. We're going to talk about Stage 19, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins, Mr. Torchene Kebber. Good morning.

Running out of time for that. Last stage. He's saving it. It's a Paris-type thing. And the professor, Spencer Martin. And of course, always, each and every day, kinda joined by Alain Azizy. Alain, what did we do today?

Stage 19, from Albertville to La Plagne. From Albertville to La Plagne. The old Olympic town. You know, La Plagne, where it was fun watching the race. And of course, Bradley's memory is incredible when it comes to cycling. And but that stage in 1995, which I was in that tour, and I actually do remember that stage in the Rhine just goes to the front of the group at the bottom of La Plana and just said, all right, you're about to see who's boss.

Yeah, the other the other famous finish there was of course, Delgado looked like he was going to win the tour and Steven Roach came out the mist. Wow. Which eerie conditions today as well. Another win. You know, we were debating how to pronounce his name. It rhymes with Simon in another word that feels weird to say on air, but Simon, a second stage win for him, second stage win for Ineos. Reminder, again, leaves 14 teams in this tour that have not won a stage.

The other big winner today, Johann Brunel from Outcomes. That's his long shot pick yesterday, plus 3,300. Yeah. Pick of the tour right there. That's a tour saver for him. Cause he's, you've been absolutely drubbing him and that's tour saver. And he talked about the reason he picked him is I thought it was Pagatris and Dunk. Johann thought, well, what if they can't drop each other? Are they gonna stare at each other?

It is what happened. Yeah. And Armin, Armin's been strong, apparently. Yet again, I think we all sort of questioned, we should talk more about it. I mean, we can, I don't know if we so much question Vesma's tactics, question maybe what Jonas was doing at the end, but before we do,ics. Question maybe what Jonas was doing at the end.

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Well, almost done, boys. Almost done. Still a bunch of exciting racing going on. We saw the Milan win the point sprint easily. Which now Spensino's mathematics maybe are not relevant anymore. Well, no, it's not done yet. The model still tells us it's possible.

But yeah, for all intents and purposes, especially if the time cut is somewhat fluid, then yeah, he's won it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, which is a big deal. I mean, you saw them yesterday after the finish line. The track guys all hugging it out.

The fact that he made it. Not only did he win this point sprint early on in the day yesterday, he made it to the finish line within six minutes of the time cut. I mean, clearly, that was a big goal. There is a huge deal to be on the day yesterday, made it to the finish line within six minutes of the time cut. I mean, clearly that was a big goal. There is a huge deal to be on the podium in green in Paris. So kudos to them. Yeah. And in retrospect, maybe I would think about this differently, because if you, I watched the start of the stage and it doesn't make sense to attack before the sprint, because you know that little tracks just going to chase you. Especially if it's 10, less than 10 K. Yeah.

And then everyone just sits and waits for that to happen. And then the race starts. Yeah. Um, uh, while we're talking about the green Jersey, I mean, we haven't even talked about this. We, we, we did talk about the big crash the other day, uh, right before the finish. Um, uh, Benyant Ghermai, the green jersey winner from last year, was involved in that crash. We all watched him take forever seemingly to get up,

come across the finish line and said, that's a broken wrist. Still in the race. Still sprinting for those points. Let me say something. Yeah. This place, you know, we had to look it up last year, Eritrea, and we now know where it is,

but they must raise some tough ass people. I mean, that's impressive. We thought it was broken. And he was yesterday going for the green jersey points. Yeah, he went this morning for him. I mean, it's not, he hasn't had a great tour, or like for his standards, great. But you do see people like pull off wins on the Champs-Elysees

after not getting a lot of success throughout the rest of the race. Yeah, yeah. Well, on a typical Champs-Elysees after not getting a lot of success throughout the rest of the race. Yeah. Well, on a typical Champs-Elysees finish, not maybe this year. Well, we don't know. I mean, that's what's cool about it. We just don't know. Yeah. What, look, I think we were, there are a couple things that happened on the last climb. One, we questioned, you know, Jonas, right? And this is, I want to be careful because this almost starts to feel a little bit like a pile on. This is not a pile on, but these are just fair questions.

Like what, what was he thinking? Aaronsman was up there, Jonas would have been great for him to win a stage. I think that's it. You know, they, the whole tour they've told us how they're going to ride, what they're going to do, how they're going to try and isolate Tade. And then today I thought they, they did the one thing they haven't tried the whole tour they've told us how they're going to ride, what they're going to do, how they're going to try and isolate Tadej. And then today I thought they did the one thing they haven't tried the whole tour. They sat back, they let UAE ride. UAE did a great job in marshalling everything, keeping it all pretty close on the last climb. He stayed with the first attacker Tadej. Then it looked like all he had to do was sprint. You know, if he was willing to risk his second place on GC in the last few stages for a punt at yellow, he did do that, but he obviously didn't fall away from

second. Then today I thought he could have risked a lot more to try and win a stage, which would have salvaged his tour. We'd have been talking about him in a different light and he only had to sprint 50 meters earlier and he probably would have won the stage. Well, and he didn't really have to risk anything. I mean, Leipowitz was dropped already. His second place is confirmed. It's assured. He had no reason to wait until 300 meters to start sprinting. Like you said, had he sprinted at 500 meters ago or 600

meters ago, he probably would have won the stage. He could have stopped on the final climb. Found like a... To me, that's an enemy to interrupt, but I was thinking just didn't want to lose my train of thought. To me that's the director's fault. If you're a director, you're three weeks into the Tour de France,

you have nothing to lose. I get it, a rider is at 200 heart rate, he's not thinking straight. The director knows exactly how far ahead the leader is. He knows he's got nothing to lose. If I'm in the car, I'm saying, Jonas, you've got to go now with, okay to go, with 600 meters to go, if you want to win the stage. It doesn't matter. You're going to get second anyway,

at least give yourself a chance for the win. What was he riding for today? Well, I don't know, because he's still sprinting for second. Yeah. I didn't quite. I don't know what he was riding for. Like what was the goal today? Was it defend second? No, I mean, you have to go for the stage one.

Didn't really look like he was going for the stage. That's why I was confused. The whole group, there was something all about it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there was a moment. Yeah, it was uneventful. I think it's the best way to sum it up.

There was a moment where you had the four strongest guys in the race, the top four guys on GC all together. And you're like, oh, this is, here we go. Now this race is shaping up, as we talked about yesterday, this fight for third. Oscar O'Neill was not able, a fight for third, Oscar Anley was not able, heartbreaking story of the day there, was not able to hold the wheel.

Lippowitz looks like he secured that, but after that it was just like, hmm. It was kind of a snooze fest. Lippowitz bounced back incredibly well, in my opinion. I thought he burned some serious matches yesterday, and the fact that he held in, hung in there for as long as he did today and put more time onto Oscar Onley was super impressive.

It's still a hell of a ride by the young kid from Scotland. Absolutely. With a lot of, as we've done some research about Scotland and where he's from, a lot of cranky. A lot of really. You would fit in really good there. I might, you know, I might, I think my heritage is from there, but a lot of cranky bike shop owners in Scotland,

we called around, see if we could get some of these cats on to come talk about their young Oscar on, like well. Maybe Dave plays out differently for him. You know, I mean, and I've spent a lot of time thinking about sort of the Heisman that the local bike shop gave us in Scotland and I figured it out. I mean George is just such a polarizing Controversial guy I can understand. I mean, why would you wouldn't want to expose Your shop that they mentioned something about a hat not being worn. I don't know. Speaking of what was interesting,

and I meant to say this at the top of the show, the stage was actually changed last night, altered. The Coldest AZ was taken out. Look, we live in this era of, I mean, we can all sort of remember the bird flu and blah, blah, blah. Obviously, COVID. Stage had to be altered. Check out this is the quote from ASO.

There was a discovery of a contagious nodular skin disease in cows and in the entire herd located precisely at the Col de Saisy and it led, unfortunately, to the slaughter of the animals, reports the Toro organization. And here's a quote, given the distress of the affected breeders and in order to maintain the tranquility of the race, it was decided in consultation with the authorities to modify the route of the 19th stage and not to enter the Col de Saisy.

Now, I'm just, well, you imagine like this is the next thing. Started at the tour. It is kind of a funny statement, slightly ambiguous as to why they couldn't go there out of respect to the breeders. I don't know. I mean, but I'm saying like, this could be the next thing. This is not Wuhan is now called CZ. I mean, so it's your power getting cut. It could be, and then now this, yeah, I don't know about that.

And I can walk this back. Uh-oh. Whose fault is it? Ground zero. Gold of Sezzi. I was a little concerned when I read that statement. But let's say this is the Wiesma team bus at the start of the stage.

What's the director saying? What are the goals going into the stage? Would you know what? One of the things I did think of that it could be a possibility is when Tade attacked, and obviously he made it clear with his team riding all day that they wanted to win the stage. And Jonas probably could have thought, because that's the first time Jonas has beat Tade on a summit finish in this Tour de France. So he thought if I'd gone early, I'm just going to take Tade with me. Tade is going to come over the top and

win the stage. So they were doing anything but to let Tadej win the stage with this with this Visma UAE beef. Yeah, yeah. It's a little bit like cutting off your nose. It is about your face. Yeah, yeah, it is. But I was, I was surprised that they went all in to chase down Roglic. You know, I'm a huge fan of Roglic. I thought he maybe could have a chance for the stage one had UAE not pulled. He certainly could have had a chance for the wind. And unfortunately they chased him down, caught him before the bottom of the last climb and he cracked a bit there. Well yeah, because George was complaining about this and I was thinking like collateral damage because they're going for the stage and then they don't go for the stage and it's like, why'd you chase down your own countrymen? Maybe there's some beef there but it didn't make any sense to me. Especially the way that Poguchar rode up the last climb because clearly he's been so dominant he pulled

most of the climb at his own pace and he didn't go for the stage when he just kind of sat there and waited for Jonas to go he has a runny nose but don't start with this I don't don't don't this he's got a runny nose Pagache you could see him doing this. No, that's just climbing the mountains in the rain. You got shit all in there. I wouldn't think you could do that. You know what else you might have in there? You might have a nodular layer.

Exactly. Let me tell you something. This is, as Phil Liggett said the other day, these guys are risking their lives. Maybe Vizmo, maybe Vizmo got these mad cow's. Nodular skin disease up in the nose. I don't want anything. I don't want to even be in the tour, period. I definitely don't of that in my nose. I don't see the shortening in the race today really had any impact on what actually happened.

It probably would have been the same exact results. That's what I was going to, it leads to what I was going to say. I mean, everybody in this race, not only is Taddy Pogachar heading shoulders above everybody else in the race, he's seemingly the only guy that's not tired. Everybody else seems fried. Yeah. And you actually mentioned something interesting earlier about like, you know, the fact that of everybody else in the race. He's seemingly the only guy that's not tired. Everybody else seems fried. Yeah, and you actually mentioned something interesting

earlier about like, yeah, big deal, Ineos won second stage. Well, in my opinion, it's a big deal. It saves not only the team's season, but he's the only guy that's being in poker chart at the top of the hardest climbs. And sure, he used tactics and he kind of uses smarts, but incredible ride by this guy. And then I think in my opinion, you know,

really catapulted in the else's tour de France. It was catapulted his tour de France. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's not really the team it's time and Arnsman. Well he's in the Jersey coming across hands in the air with the W for a $50 million team. You'd expect more. I don't think. I prefer well, I'd say it's about equal. Third in the Tour de France for Bora, for a German rider, super important,

two stage wins for Neos, in my opinion, is just as important as a third in the Tour de France. Is that right? I think so. I don't know. Well, Tymon was supposed to be a GC contender. That's the only- It's all about the hype. Yeah. Well, a GC contender, at this level, at his best GC,

is going to get top 10. No, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth. Who cares? You've got two stage wins. I'd much prefer that. I've got those in the back pocket. Top 10s of the tour? Who cares?

Well, I'm not saying a rider, a team at that stature. Two stage wins is much better than a seventh place in the tour. You know where he's going to clean up this diamond Arnsmann is for the, we all know this, I don't know if a lot of folks are aware, but post tour, there's a lot of almost- Paper, paper.

Well, there's these criteriums, they're basically exhibition races, they're held primarily in Holland, a little bit all over the rest of the continent. But Holland is the big one here, the Dutch kid. They fence in entire towns, and so they charge admission. I mean, it's a real spectator.

It's a big party. It starts at like 11 o'clock at night. These things rock. This kid, Timon Arnsman, I mean, he's, you talk about paper. And they start Monday after the tour. Yeah, Dutch kid. And they pay you cash, right?

Yeah, that's right. Neither here nor there. I mean, this is all- Did you do a bunch of them, Bradley, or no? No, do you know why I didn't do it? Because we had the Olympics straight off. Yeah, that's right, yeah, that's the truth. Yeah, that sucks.

See, all right, well, I'm glad you brought that up. That goes back to what I said yesterday. We don't need the UCI. And guess what happens when you don't need the UCI? Then you don't do the Olympics, and you make paper. So that's interesting, wait one second, so you won the Tour de France 2012. So you basically didn't even have a drink after you won.

No, we went straight to London, because we had the road race. So Sunday you went straight. Sunday night, yeah. You won the tour, no celebrations, straight to London. By Monday morning we had our Olympic tracksuits on, focusing on the road race. So Lance mentioned exhibition. Did today kind of look like an exhibition on that final climb to you? I think things have changed in the tour. Yeah, I do. Yeah, it was strange. Yeah. I mean,

who knows? I mean, it was a bit anti-climatic, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of alcohol, I saw a fun tweet from my friend Daniel Freriba and we're in the second part of the show. We've got some, we sort of taking on the cause of this young French kid. Do you have friends that are journalists? Did not know that's a big statement. I hedged one. I hedged one. I hedged one. I said, I like Daniel. Yeah, I do. I do. But I, uh, he put up a tweet. Uh, do they still call it tweets? You know what? I'm gonna call it a tweet. They put it up in X.

Whatever. It's a tweet. This young kid, Valentin Pareil-Pontre. Let's pull that tweet up from, about his remarkable light the morning. VPP on his efforts to gain weight. I've tried Nutella, alcohol, McDonald's, beer, and nothing works for me. And he's always. Yeah, yeah. Not only that, but I think after the break, we should point out some interesting stuff on the team change for him last year.

We got some interesting. By the way, that tweet was sent over by my good buddy, RJ Brishoni, who's, before that tweet, really liked the kid. Now I guess he hates him. R.J., just keep trying, man. Just, you know, Nutella, da da da. Nothing works. 50 kilos.

Yeah. I know, 50. 50 kilos. But he's a hack, you know, quacker. He can, quack is very, More fun stuff We've also got some behind-the-scenes photos from the studio here that I just want to tease out that'll be in the second part We'll be back in two and thirty two. All right, we're back. You hear me Bradley. Yeah, we had a little difficulty when we are there break

Rather's cables all wrapped around. I tend to watch it every day because I've kind of noticed I'm like You got it today. Speaking of Valentin Perey Pontreau, is that this name? I mean we almost need to cue Alain again, but we got some Larry Warbae sent us a message about Valentin. They were on the team together, this team Decathlon. We've talked a little about Decathlon coming. Roommates as well. We're roommates. So, you know, I get to know a guy pretty well as Bradley got to know Jimmy Casper years ago. Oh yeah. Yes.

I remember that. I'm feeding the geese, huh? I'd forgotten that. You reminded me. How would you forget? I'll tell you something, I would never. Because it happened a lot with various different riders and different incarnations of teams. But Jimmy, this is new news. There's others. I mean, how long we got,

but let's get to Larry's story first. Yeah. So Larry's a sweetheart. He was, he was again, great guy. He's a good dude. It's really good. He was listening to the show. The air looks just like your buddy, Jake Gyllenhaal. Uh. As a matter of fact, I know I'm sorry, Larry. How's that kitty littered? He does not have issue with the looks. That's for sure. Anyhow, I says I was listening to the podcast from the volunteer stage.

We're talking about you guys were talking about Valentine and then how we how he had left the team. And I'm going to paraphrase some of this just to clean it up a little. But bottom line, Larry says at the beginning, they thought he was a shitty writer, had left the team. I'm going to paraphrase some of this just to clean it up a little. Bottom line, Larry says at the beginning they thought he was a shitty rider, even though the kid had incredible numbers. The head director even said this guy isn't pro cyclist quality or caliber. They sent him to all the crappiest races.

He was always a replacement rider. They'd even send him to races in Belgium. Keep in mind, 110 pounds. Second year pro, he got, it was the fifth reserve for the Giro. Had no offers. Decathlon didn't want to make him an offer. FDJ came in and did make him an offer,

but he did want to stay with Decathlon. Ended up going with Quickstep, signed the contract in the morning that afternoon, wins the stage in the Giro. I think the, so thank you for all this, again I'm paraphrasing and clipping it. But what a miss. I mean, you saw him, he was in the race today as well. Well, you left out when he signed the contract, that afternoon he won. Did you say that?

Yeah. Okay, I did. Also very interesting. Did you say that? Yeah. Okay. Also very interesting. Here's what's happened. Very interesting. Folks, the riders are tired. Yeah. This man down here on the left is tired. But also very interesting at 50 kilos 110 pounds. He mentioned how good he is at positioning and has no fear. This is a great. Larry's a fulcrum of knowledge. He says even though he is literally 50 kilograms the dude takes shit from no one. He is. He says, even though he is literally 50 kilograms, the dude takes shit from no one. He is so scrappy, he'll throw elbows back at the sprinters if they try to push him. He never loses a wheel, even though he's full gas

on the flats the whole day and easy on the climbs. Man. Kids, quackin'. It's all about quackin'. Do not ever lose your position. If you ain't moving back, if you ain't moving forward, you're moving back. Let me tell you something.

There is another thing, and I hope that my wife and my daughter are at home listening, because I made the mistake once, and it was one of your redneck friends. It was a quote of theirs, like if you're waiting on somebody, hurry up, blah, blah, and George would always say, you waiting on me? You backing up.

That's Brody Gland. And I quoted it once. And Anna and Grace, they literally walk around, because they're always late. And then when they finally come down, they do this little dance like, you waiting on me? You backing up? You wait? I'm like, this is taking on, anyways, third week.

This is what y'all get. All right. Where, what else? We have more on Valentin? Well, we should say, like, so if you're 52 kilos, just so people understand this, like, if he's in the crosswinds, he's probably a threshold. Like, every time they're on the flat and it's hard,

because his absolute power is so low relative to everybody else. And he's not a protected rider. Yeah. So he is having to fend for himself. Look, if you were the... What? I'm not agreeing with you. Yeah.

I mean, if you were... I mean, he's just like 50 kilos. It's like, he's not the... Someone just came out. The Tourette's flared up there. What's going on? He's got big bones and elbows. Oh my god.

No, but I mean, if you're a GC guy, you get, you get some guys around you, he's out there all by himself. Yeah. Yeah. And also just to describe to our viewers, what does it mean to send a guy who's 50 kilos to Belgium? It's like, you basically give him no shot at success. Like we're going to throw you in these scrappy flatlander races and you just figure it out.

But like, how are they going to give him any hope to get results? Basically sabotaging it. Exactly. I'll show you that you're a crappy. just figure it out. But like, how are they going to give him any hope to get results? Basically sabotaging. I'll show you that you're a crab. Yeah. It's not like, Oh, well if he can win bond to, he should win the brush dude. Where it just, it's not possible physically. Put him on your back. He's like a small chip, like a baby chip. One man's getting tired. One man's coming alive. This is I have a great idea for you. As a matter of fact, he's like an Iric and ton in the third week.

What are you doing next week? But what? Just a question. So Ineos, two stages. We're going to get technical again. Great. Great ride from Arnsman. Yeah. What's the, if you're Dave Brailsford,, what's the plan from here? Because this isn't good enough, I think. Well, yeah, I think that's why he's been on this tour, is to see where they

go from here. Do they go back to GC Ambition? I think they're going to get asked roundly. But you know, GC Ambition now, there's one man who looks like he's going to dominate this sport for the next few years. The closest man to him is Jonas. So do they hire Jonas? I don't hate the idea. They hire Jonas and Jonas has got a long term contract. He's got his got a his deal is through 2028. Or do you make a run at some of the other guys on UA? Lipowitz. Lipowitz can't be happy with with all the moves that Red Bull is making. Yeah, I do wonder how firm is this Red Bull?

Oscar-only. Rimco situation. I do like the Oscar-only. You know, here's what's funny about Oscar-only. He's riding his team into the World Tour, but if he wasn't performing this well, they'd be relegated and his contract would be voided and he could sign for a lot more money for a World Tour team.

So he's costing himself money. Like I said, I hope you're getting technical. That's very interesting. He's costing himself money. Like I said, I hope you're getting technical. That's very interesting. He's costing himself money by riding. Yeah. Speaking of technical, and this is just a little issue we've had here at the studio of late. And I've tried to warn, and I don't know,

I think it's one of you two, but I suspect it's, strongly suspect it's George, but I've tried to warn you. Man, you gotta be careful with this. We're down here in the basement below Aspen Mountain Fitness this is you gotta be careful with these toilets down here we're up in the mountains I don't know where it goes we've got some photo evidence poor Spencer after George that was not me Gabriel it must have been there's one man in here when that happened. I mean this is I

Was I mean you even put your camera on to go in there go back come on My man's got his camo this was during the filming of outcomes. We had to take a break to do George This is coming from the same guy who when I was staying with him last week Goes to the bathroom with the door open because he doesn't want to miss the tour. He's going to the bathroom in the main room of the house with the door open. I mean, who does that? It was interesting when the, when the photo popped up, everybody, everybody was laughing except one person. We call that back in Plano, we call that stone cold George and his chocolate golf balls.

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What's it worth to him? Is he going to take a hundred thousand to switch over and have freedom to install floors whenever he wants? Just to play a devil's advocate to George's point earlier, I mean, I think if you're Jim Radcliffe and you're spending, and he's spending in a lot of sports, right? He's obviously got Manchester United. He's got the Mercedes involvement in F1. He's got the sailing team.

He's got the cycling team. He actually had to get rid of those because he couldn't pay the bills on them. I don't know. But you're spending $50 million a year. I mean, if you're Jim Radcliffe, you're thinking, this isn't what he bought into this dream when it was what you and the boys built. This is just different.

I don't think it's two stage wins. I think it's yellow jerseys in Paris. That gets you 50 M equals yellow in Paris. And that's 50 pounds. Yeah, so I don't want to get it. It's either one of those because I don't even know what the thing is, but that's a lot of money. What is that? What level of player would that buy you for Manchester United if they just dumped the cycling team and went all in on United? I mean, not much these days. The valuation of players has gone through the roof at the ability. But one thing with Jim is, you know, he doesn't go into things for just as a hobby.

He goes into dominate and be the best in that sport. And he's obviously done it with Man United. He's trying to do it with Man United. I'm not saying they're the best. They've descended massively. But that's his goal is to bring them back, build a new stadium and bring them back to the heights of English football. They did the sub two hour marathon project.

Everyone said it wasn't possible that anyone would ever run under two hours. They did that. You know, the sailing team, the world in America's cup and things like that. So anything he does, so he's not going to waste his time with this. You know, he's not, it isn't just a, you know, an open ended check book where he's going to keep signing checks for the next 10 years to win two stages in the tour. They cut lunches at man United because they didn't want to pay for it. So that shows you like, it's like long to cinnamon buns. They might start to look around and say, like, what are we spending money on?

Can we get these staffers some hot lunch over here? I'm getting a lot of emails too about, and people just, I mean, I guess my email is not that hard to figure out. Don't try. Okay. I don't need any more emails people. I did, I'd got a nice email from Alan I are Fleischmann yesterday You said my the hair just it's just bedhead right but considering the fact you still have hair

And I don't you can do whatever you want with it. I love it. He says 71 years old still racing. I always finished DFL Which we know what that means He didn't say DTF. He said DFL, but never DNF what that means. He didn't say DTF, he said DFL but never DNF. Always finishes baby. And then just this morning, this lady emailed me the other day. So I guess she's, we're like pen pals now. Where is this thing here? What is, where is her thing? Oh come on Lance. Oh boy. Anyways,, well, I know what happened here. She sent me, she says the hairdo is catching on. She took a picture of her local newspaper today.

And there's this cartoon, this cute little cartoon kid in the bathtub washing his hair and then he has this hairdo that's terrible. And he says to this little dog, do you think mother will let me keep it like this? And the dog says, how could she not? And now I can't find her email. But anyhow, I think her name's Sherry. Sherry, thank you for that. All right, we're sick of the hair stuff.

George is like, this is old material. Tomorrow's gonna be a doozy, hard, early stage. 14 teams without a win. People are gonna be a doozy, hard, hilly stage. 14 teams without a win. People are gonna be going nuts to try to get to this stage. Rainy, rainy conditions yet again. By the way, the rain that we saw today at the end of the stage looks to continue tomorrow

and also looks to continue into Paris. You know who's gonna go all in tomorrow? Wow, Ben Hart. Yeah. Rainy, classic hilly type day. Let's pull up the profile. My boy's going tomorrow. It's Look, it's still Approaching 10. No, sorry 11,000 feet of total vert 2900 meters It's one of those days and it's not short 184 kilometers These guys get to the end of the tour and are like, could we have made this 150?

It's just those extra, it's a day they got to take seriously. One, two, three, four categorized climbs, never flat. Well, they might cut their course. Who knows? Another flock of cows could die. A nodular virus. You know, when this came out, I thought. Interesting call, though, on Wapenart.

I mean, that's not going to solve the problem for the 14 other teams that don't have a stage win. Yeah. Well, yeah, and that's kind of the problem. All the best riders are on the same teams. Has Wiesemann won a stage? I can't remember. Yeah, Simon Yates.

Simon Yates, that's right. OK. So it would be doubling up there. But still, like a Wout Van Aert, three weeks in, he looks good. The stage is perfect for him. If I was Wiesemann, I'd be like, we're going all in for you. We'll make it hard, go in the break.

Let's go get a couple guys with you. T-Spin Newt, help them out there. Cam Bernat and Roll. We all got a little bit stumped yesterday on the Ventum Daily Trivia question. I was stumped on this one. I felt like everybody else on the desk was too. Yep.

The question was, a recent addition to the high mountain finishes of the tour, the Col de la L'Oze is quickly gaining infamy like everybody else on the Desquoia's tube. Yep. The question was, a recent addition to the high mountain finishes of the Tour, the Col de la Loz is quickly gaining infamy for decisive tools and GC shakeups. What feature of this climb makes it unique among other climbs used in the Tour? Survey says it features a bike only section to the summit,

purpose built for the Tour de France. Bike home, I didn't know that. Sir Bradley? Did you know that? I mean I heard that that was what it was just now. I didn't know that that was what was unique about it. Yeah, just bikes, no cars. Well I remember it was climbing the G-road. Obviously that's different but the Zonkerland for a long time when we came up the other side the first time in 2003 that was a sort

of ski access only for bikes. Interesting. Stage 19 question. In the final kilometers of the very difficult La Plana, which they finished on today, riders will pass another historic Alpine sporting venue. What is it? Send your best guest to VentumRacing.com slash The Move Grand Prize, 5,000 bucks. I'll say the question again. In the final kilometers of today's stage up La Ponia riders will pass another historic alpine sporting venue What is it? When this stage came idea I

Was disappointed because I thought it's not a GC day. That's kind of weird now. I'm kind of happy It's like let's get out of this GC battle. Right. Well, it was a GC battle for third. Yeah. I mean, it played out. We talked about it yesterday, this duel between Oscar Onley. You almost saw, I mean, nothing happened. Oscar Onley just, I mean, he was in the final. He proved to be one of the four best guys in the race. He just couldn't, there wasn't an attack, There wasn't an acceleration. You just saw a young kid that this tour has taken its toll. And as much as we've cheered for him and loved this story,

they just couldn't hold the wheel. And Lipowitz turned around, saw it, and then went straight to the front. He said, I am going to lock up. So there was a GC battle, a GC for the podium. Yeah, I mean, for a guy like Florian Lipowitz, who sealed third in the GC, I guess it's not sealed yet. But that's a big result for him.

It's huge. And he's a young guy. White jersey. Somebody told me a fun story when he went to the guy who owns the team, Ralph Dank, who's had this team for a long time. Spensino told you the story. Yeah, and Johan was telling me the story, too.

Did we talk about it on the show? I don't think so. So he, Ralph wanted to meet with him, and he said, yeah, I'll meet you at so and such. They set the place, they set the time. The kid shows up, this kid, Lipowitz, shows up on his bike. Yeah, it was like 100K away, one way.

I think he lived in a different country at the time. He doesn't know that, and they sit there for a couple hours, and Lipowitz says, well, I'm gonna, you know, all right, and and Lippowitz says well I'm gonna you know all right thanks you're good to meet you I'm gonna ride back home and Ralph says well you know how far is that? This is 100 kilometers so I mean folks that's 62 miles 100 there sitting around for two hours talk hunter back I would not do that. I believe he lived in Innsbruck, which is in the middle of the Alps.

So it's not an easy 100 kilometers either. Questions? Questions. Well, here's a question. Are we sure, like, is Visma not trying anything GC tomorrow? Race starts on an Alps. That's a question from a listener. No, that's a Spencer question.

Yeah. No, coming in from Spencer from Boulder, Colorado has a question. Go ahead, Spencer. Like it starts on a 12K long climb. And it's clear that the mountains, they can't make any difference in the mountains. Should they actually go for it on a rolling stone? Can we see? I got to go for this. Gabrielle, sorry, pull it up one more time.

Let's look at this. They got to go. All right. So here's the stats. 11 point and sorry, 12.1 kilometers at 4%. I mean that's. Guys, three weeks into the Tour de France, this is nothing.

I mean yeah, there's some guys on their deathbeds, but like the GC guys, they're not even coming out of the big chain ring for this one. Look at this region, see it? And always if you look at the profiles, down at the very bottom, as France changes regions frequently, this is all in the Jura. The Jura is, the tour rarely goes into Jura.

It's sort of tour of Romandy area. We started in this town where it finishes tomorrow in 2009. That was the only that I could remember. That was a hard start. That's hard stuff. The Jura is just a little Massif Central-esque. Like if Jonas goes in there early break, you think Pagaccio just marks him? Or he's like, this is too wild.

I mean, I don't think that's happening. I think it's a wild men are day. Wild men are with Jonas on his wheel. Well, hey. One, two on the stage, win the GC. What about Quinn Simmons? Yeah, Quinn, you saw it today. He let out Milan, still stayed up there.

He was in a group of 25 guys over the Col de la Rousselon. I mean, the guy is on crazy form. He's not even tired. I would say he's going tomorrow. All right, question. This is from Chris. That was a good question. What do you guys eat in the tour? What do you guys eat in the tour?

What do you guys eat in the tour for dinner each night? Do you get much variety? What about breakfast? Lance George or Bradley? How different, different, how is it different now from what you did back in the day? It's a lot different. Everything's measured. There's no guessing.

Um, it's not like you're going to a buffet and just eating what you felt like. I mean, back in our day, we had guys eating golden grams with honey on top. I mean, just the most ridiculous breakfast you can imagine. Now it's like, dude, everything's just I saw Vismo was lined out. They have you put a bowl on a scale and they weigh your food. Oh, yeah. Every meal, because they know how much they spent on with their watts and their computers. They know exactly what they're going to need to replenish.

It's a totally different ballgame. But it's still heavy on carbs, I would have to imagine. Yeah, I would think so. Yeah. But carbs for breakfast, carbs for dinner. Yeah. And then you race through lunch. Yeah.

The only thing I think slightly different now is used to not consume so many carbs on the bike, but now they're doing 200 grams of carbs on the bike. So I heard it's not as many carbs as you would think for breakfast, because you have to budget in all those carbs during the day. Well, for the gut, right, for the gut.

I'm gonna, I wanna dig. You had an interesting take on that. I just wanna dig into, I mentioned it to George. Yeah, you kind of backed away from it. Well, we were, you know, George and I just sitting here, group texting with Peter Tia yesterday, who's at the tour by the way, with Team UAE.

Man, the doc loves cycling. I mean, he's a serious bike nerd. So he's having a hell of a time. But my question, I mean, just this new protocol around fueling, I mean, when you think about this and the fact that they have to train the system, train the guts to get to a certain point to be able to absorb, what is it, 100 grams of carbohydrates an hour?

That's at the low end. That's at the low end. That's at the low end. I just, I mean, I have to sit there and say, what happens when you're 40? If your gut has been... Yeah, good point. It seems, I mean, I get it. I mean, obviously it's highly effective.

We're seeing that in the times, we're seeing the results, the performances. What happens when you're 35 and 40 and you're just kind of walking around and you ride your bike three days a week for 90 minutes? Yeah. Maybe nothing, could be nothing. I don't know.

I mean, you almost worry about like pre-diabetes. Well, that's what we did this morning in the gym. I mean, if you, I don't know. Boy, let's not end on that. Well, we got a good one to end on. Send the kids away. This one's a little racy. Are the riders in the tour allowed conjugal visits

from their partners during the race? Are they so physically spent that it's off the table? Yes. If they are allowed, do they ever hook up with fans asking for a friend? Heidi. Wait, that kid, Heidi. All right. Let me tell you something. Who wants to take the first step with this one? I'd say no, the racing is so hard. I mean, I had that,

they got nothing left. I mean, I had that pegged on a, on a, on a Johnny or, or even a Chad mountain or something like that. I mean, I had that pegged on a Johnny or even a Chad Mountain or something like that. But Heidi? Heidi coming in with that heater? Should we dial up Mario Cipollini right now? We should, yeah.

I would say he never had a problem with that. That was the time to cue the Lion King. The answer to that is no. Yeah. I mean, even just watching riders last year at the tour, I was surprised. It's like, Tej Bannouk got to see his kid for three minutes a day outside the team bus.

It's like, I don't think you're getting a lot of quality time with the family during the tour. It's already disappointing, Heidi. Yeah. Sorry, Heidi. Did you guys see the sign that on the side of the road, it was a woman with a sign that said, it was in Flemish, but it was like, well, you don't know it, but we're getting married.

Julian Alaphilippe rides by because he's cold and like rips it in half. Pretty impressive bike handling. Shrubs it down his shirt, his jersey. The next day she like, Alaphilippe feels bad because he went by before a while. He never got to see the sign. He invites her to the start with them and they like give... What does she have her number on the sign? How did she got to meet him? But hang on, but no, no, no, back up. How does he know? her number on the sign? Then she got to meet him. But hang on. But no, no, no. Back up. How does he know?

She's on the side of the road. She must have come to the bus. No, no, no, no. She had her number on the sign. And Aleph Leap called it? I mean, probably. Probably. If she says, you don't know this yet,

but we're getting married, of course she's going to have her number. Yeah. And then George really wants to go for a bike ride right now. I can see him. He's wiggling over there. I'm not wiggling. I'm good.

She had to have her. Okay. All right. We'll follow up. Let's find out. Did she put the digits on the sign? Well, then she got to meet Wilde the next day. Right.

The boss, Gazalfly, brought her over. I'm sure Wilde's wife loved that. She was in the background of the photo actually not looking incredibly pleased as you would imagine. But that's dedication for that from that lady to get up to the top of one of these mountains. Incredible shout out. All right, anything else guys? No I think we're good for the... you know what we've worn out our welcome today I think. Double day next tomorrow. The double day a little interesting time. It would be earlier tomorrow right? Yeah much earlier tomorrow. Men's finishes earlier.

Later in the day, we have stage one of the Tour de France Femme de Vex Swift. Y'all get to take that afternoon off. And then they flip on Sunday. Women's stage finishes early. And then the late finish into Paris. And we'll see. I'm so curious about how that all plays out,

whether or not this is one and done, or whether or not this might be the new final day in Paris. And we'll see. I'm so curious about how that all plays out, whether or not this is a one and done, or whether or not this might be the new final day in Paris. So thanks for tuning in, everybody. We will see you not once, but twice tomorrow.