THEMOVE - Does Remco Evenepoel Have a Future as a TdF GC Contender? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 13 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka “The Professor”) break down Tadej Pogačar’s incredible time trial performance on Stage 13 of the Tour de France, which featured a brutal ascent of Peyragudes and marked his fourth stage win of this race—and the 21st of his career. The crew discusses what this dominant ride means for the remainder of the Tour, how many more stages Pogačar could realistically win over the final eight, whether Remco Evenepoel still has a future as a GC contender, and how Jonas Vingegaard and Visma should approach the rest of the race. Before signing off, they preview tomorrow’s critical mountain time trial and take a few listeners’ questions. Zwift: Zwift just made it easier than ever to get on the virtual roads. All Zwift-ready trainers come with the new Zwift Cog and Click installed, making them ready to ride from the box - no extras needed. Zwift-ready trainers start at just $299, meaning anyone can jump into world-class indoor training without breaking the bank. No excuses. Just ride! https://zwift.com Timeline: If you care about performance, recovery, or just want to stay strong as you age — check out Mitopure. Go to https://timeline.com/THEMOVE and you’ll get 20% off. The Feed: You heard it first on THEMOVE. A better morning for only $3.99 and our listeners save 20% today. No code needed, the discount is automatic. Go to https://thefeed.com Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Ekoi: The entire EKOÏ website is currently on sale until the end of July, with discounts of up to 60%. It’s hard to find better deals! Special offer With the code THEMOVE15, you get $15 off any purchase of $150 made on the EKOI website until the end of July. https://ekoi.com Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

Todd A. Poguchar, as expected, dominates the uphill time trial. 21st overall stage win of his career in the Tour de France. Fourth this year. Lots to talk about. Not so much to talk about in terms of Todd A. because he's doing Todd A. things. Tade because he's Tade doing Tade things. All right, everybody, welcome back to the Mood Podcast, brought to you each and every day by Key Tone IQ. Talking about stage 13, mon ami Alain.

Stage 13 from Loudanvieille to Peragude. From Loudanvieille to Péragud. That's on the podium for me right there. It's getting a little Frenchier. Todd Des Pogatars, as expected, dominates the uphill time trial. 21st overall stage win of his career in the Tour de France. Fourth this year. Lots to talk about.

Not so much to talk about in terms of Tade, because he's Tade doing Tade things. I think we spent a lot of time watching and just scratching our head on equipment choices. And helmets. Helmets, I mean bikes, bikes helmets I am very curious to get the group's thoughts including the professor who knows more about this stuff hey but anyhow Tade was was exceptional there were exceptional

performances Tade and then there were not so exceptional performances like Remco. I'm another tough day for Remco. Oof. Yeah, he's uh, Didn't look fun. Slipping a little bit. Slipping. He seems to be. We'll talk about the slip.

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You should try it. Maybe you won't want as much on our bike rides. I'm going to try it. I'm into it. Yeah, it's Nitric Oxide Pro. It boosts your blood flow. Boosts your blood flow. Originally developed for people with high blood pressure, but I use it daily now and I can definitely feel it when I'm riding, but I really notice it while playing tennis. Well, you can get these test strips too, so you can actually see if it's working. You just put them on your tongue. This was one I did earlier. It was a little bit purple.

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Yeah. Well, not only, not that I have an issue with this, but for you older guys, it also increases blood flow everywhere. So honey, uh, we have bad news and we have good news. Anyways, anyways, uh, we said at the end of the show yesterday, I mean, this is it. I mean, we're witnessing one of the greatest of all time. I mean, you can, no matter how you slice it, it's not unexpected Tade's performance, but if you start to go down the rabbit hole of the data, his body weight, obviously the bike he selected, his watts, I mean, Spencer, we saw some reports unconfirmed,

7.5 watts potentially per kilo at the finish, you know, anything, I mean, it's north of seven. It's one of the greats. Not only that, but like you mentioned, we were talking about different equipment choices throughout the day, and Tade started on a road bike and still was five seconds ahead of Jonas on the flat first three kilometers, I think.

I mean, we were just in shock and awe. A time trial bike like that, do you think five, 10 seconds a kilometer, what did you say? Compared to a road bike? Compared to a road bike. Yeah. I mean, everything about Tadej's ride today was exceptional. You know, he start on the road, but he's not the most aero on the road bike. You know, there are people that get lower and this and the other is quite upright, but to average best part of 27 miles an hour on a road bike before he even hit the climb. And then to

continue taking clock time out of Jonas and Rem road bike before he even hit the climb. And then to continue taking time out of Jonas and Remco and Itael, it was incredible. And that's off the back of yesterday's performance, where I saw an interview where he was talking about Navaris and maybe doesn't speak very good English, or they were joking that he didn't actually want to tack that early on the line yesterday. And then of course, the crash the day before that. I mean, it's just exceptional. And then we've got tomorrow's stage as well, which we anticipate in winning. Well, this all start, I mean, Bradley, you had heard, we talked about it yesterday,

that you had heard that Jonas went out on the rest day on his time trial bike, which I think we all were like, why would you do that? Well, now it makes sense, but it wasn't just Jonas. Remco rode the time trial bike, Prim. Rimcoe rode the time trial bike. Primus Roglis rode the time trial bike. Lipowitz. Look, I fully admit and readily admit frequently that I'm not really familiar with this current

form of cycling, which is fine. I do not understand that. There is the weight difference. And there's also just the feel. Like that would drive me crazy riding a time trial bike. And furthermore, we saw in the time trial, most of the climb, they were not out on the extensions taking advantage of an aero position. I don't get it. Well, I mean, specialized don't do an aero bike, do they? Yeah. So Remco was a little pinched there. But I think the story of the day is, so let's say we

all do a time trial. I'm on a time trial bike, George is on a road bike, and George goes faster than me on the flats. How is that possible? You're putting out a lot of power, right? Well, that actually is, if that scenario actually played out, it's very possible. I mean, the man trains 30 hours a week. But you would have to be just, I mean, it shows you that Pagatra is just that much stronger than everybody else. Well, one, I don't train 30 hours a week.

Two, the last time you rode a time trial bike was like 30 years ago. So I don't know if you're still comfortable or know what they feel like these days, but they definitely ride them a lot more. They're probably lighter. I'm sure they do a lot of specific uphill training on time in the time trial position.

And they probably plan their whole year around this one time trial. They knew it was coming. They probably spent a lot, did a lot of efforts in that time trial position, up steep climbs, just to get used to it. And thinking that the, what was their average speed? That the speed was-

27 kilometers an hour. 27 kilometers an hour. So that's pretty fast. I mean, so you could look at it both ways. But Tadej still crushed everybody. Yeah. And Jonas, for what we saw yesterday, for him, where he sits in the race, that was a bit of a bounce

back. He caught Remco van den Poel, the world time trial champion, the Olympic time trial champion. Obviously, it's uphill. It's a slightly different time trial. Remco just, the lights are fading quickly for him in this Tour de France. Had to be totally demoralizing to, I mean, you always kind of know when you're getting caught.

And that had to be not something he expected. Yeah. Bradley, you mentioned maybe he pulled a plug at some point after. Well, I mean, Remco is a winner, isn't he? And he's carrying the weight of a nation on his shoulders. There's a lot of pressure on him and he puts a lot of pressure on himself, but this has been his main target for the year, isn't it?

And when you're that, I mean, he got embarrassed today, didn't he really for him, you know, he's, he's a dominant time trialist. I know it's uphill and it's a different ball game, but you know, where does he, we talk about where does Jonas go from here with the four minute loss, but where does, I mean, he's still on the podium Remco. Yeah. We're going to talk about that because this is, this is shaping up to be the most interesting part of this race, potentially, if you're looking for drama and action, so to speak, in the race, that's gonna be an interesting discussion. But, and we said it as we were watching, right?

Here, Remco, the world time trial champion, Olympic time trial champion, has won a lot of time trials over the course of his pro career. I think it is safe to say he has never, maybe in his life, been caught in a time trial. I agree. Yeah. We were talking about that.

Yeah. He, he lost a minute to Luke Plapp. So he finishes 248 behind Pogacar. Luke Plapp, who's a time trial specialist, but not in the GC finishes a minute in front of him and he's still on the podium. That's the craziest part. But the problem for him is it's only climbs left. There's no more time trials. Lippowitz is what? Now he's six seconds behind him. It seems like Lippowitz

is going to catch him. Yeah. I mean, do you think he's going to pull? If he gets past for third, does he pull out of this tour? Yeah. I mean, I'm not too sure on that one. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he does pull the plug. Yeah. Interesting. Cause he looked completely demoralized in the warm down tent. And it's hard in it. We know what it's like to be in the tour when you've got nothing left to fight for. Um, I mean, you can argue he's got the podium to fight for, but how much fight has he got left in him? Cause when your legs don't work, they don't work. Yeah. Yeah. Well, speaking of podium, obviously Tadej Pogacar in complete control and command of this bike race. Jonas sitting there, he still has a

lot of, he's got to pay attention. The difference between third place as it sits today, the difference between third place and seventh place is a minute 26. It's nothing. So then you start to say, so here are your riders here, Remko Lipowitz, who's also shaping up as a great story in this Tour de France. Our man, Oscar Omley, moves up a spot into fifth. Vakolan, wrote a decent race today. And Roglic. So those guys are all going to be duking it out for the final podium spot. By the way, too, on Oscar Onley, I want to keep hyping this kid. I'm also going to hype Johann Brunel because most years we do an up and comer show and Johann rips out these names. I'm like, who? Anyways, spots Oscar Oscar only. I don't know what year or what vintage of show that

was, but years ago we're all sitting here going, who's this guy? Well, Johan had him pegged years ago. So Johan crystal ball, Brunel. Yeah. Let the nose was up. What was his, uh, Paul Mars before he came on this team? Well, he did a good tour to Swiss, didn't he, before this race? Yeah, but last year he won a team time tour in the Vuelta. He almost won the tour down under in 2024.

He won the stage there, the main stage. But if you're looking at it, like you said Lance, that battle for the podium is super tight, but the guy hanging in seventh, our boy Roglic, I mean he's the guy with the most experience, one has won five grand tours. I got my money on him.

If he doesn't crash, he'll make the podium. He's a minute 25 down off the podium. Yeah. By the way, we're out of great time for all. Yeah. So if you're looking really good, if you're just taking temperature checks, right, he's on the way up.

Yeah. Now it's started the tour in a super laxadaisical way. You know, well, we were questioning that. He is coming into his form third place on the TT. I mean, that's a hell of a ride. And interestingly enough, is all the specialized guys that are in the battle rode the TT bikes. Yeah, because as Bradley said,

they don't have an air bike. They don't have an air bike. Which is kind of weird. I would say so what? So what? Ride your road, the TT bikes. Yeah, because as Bradley said, they don't have an air. They don't have an air. I would say so what? So what? Ride your road, ride a climbing bike. What did you guys see? Luke Plop, he rode a road bike with a disc wheel. It's kind of Lenny Mountain.

Yeah, and pretty good time trials from both of them. Well, it's, look, these teams and all the technical people they have behind them, they do a lot of testing. I mean, this was the uphill time trial in the 2025 Tour de France wasn't a surprise. They had been thinking about, I would think, going back to last off season, doing some testing. How does this bike test at 27 kilometers or 20 kilometers an hour, whatever, and making the decision if it's an advantage. So is it kind of similar to the Alptowest time trial

you did in 2000? Or I guess Alptowest is longer, because it's more like a 39 minute climb. A little bit steeper and deeper, longer, less of a run in. But Alptowest doesn't have sustained 16%. That's why I still don't fully understand this decision. They clearly had data that said it was faster. but for a lot of the time trials you pointed out Bradley they're on like the bullhorn bars they're not in the skis and then at

the that finish like the last 400 meters which lasts almost a minute you're out of the saddle on your time trial bike so could it really be faster I'm still a little baffled by that. Yeah, I mean, and that SL8 is a really good climbing bike. And I mean, I agree. I think he'd be more comfortable on their road bike for today's TT. Well, I mean, who won the stage? What was he riding?

A road bike? Well, he's in the anomaly in this situation. I mean, we're talking about the best of the rest now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did we mention Jonas? Probably his best climbing performance ever. I mean, it's a little different because it's a time trial, but just like pure Watts per kilo. So nice recovery for him from yesterday. Yeah. I thought he looked great and got a lot of adrenaline when he saw Remco there in the last 300 meters. You saw him going full gas out of this atl. And that was a big blow mentally, I think, to Remco, like we just mentioned.

Spencer, you also flagged that this climb of this uphill time trial was of some significance to Tadej Pogacar, if you go back to the 2020 Tour de France. This was a stage that this climb was featured in one of the stages. And this was not where he won the 2020 Tour de France. Yeah. This was a stage that this climb was featured in one of the stages. And this was a, not where he won the 2020 Tour, but this was a stage where, I mean, honestly before that people were like,

whoa, who's this young Slovenian kid? This is, was this a climb where he? I'm sure we, I'm sure, it's not even what we're talking about because we all remember it so vividly, but stage eight of the 2020 Tour. Some of us. So if you remember he lost time, I think it was the crosswinds the day before. He attacks on the parasaur, the same they did like the parasaur and then he took a right to go up to the ski resort. So it's a slightly different climb, but part of it's the same. He attacks,

they don't chase him. Like Roglic is in that group, doesn't chase him. Pogacar takes 48 seconds by the end of the stage. They descend down, finish the stage, and then he wins that tour by what, 59 seconds? So a good chunk of his winning margin over Roglic came on this climb. Probably should have chased him in retrospect, knowing what you know now.

Yes. Yes, that's for sure. Worth noting too, and this is all speculation, of course, cycling, there's always rife with speculation of teams and team changes. I think on the second half of the show, we can touch on this potential merger we're talking about with, or they are talking about with Lotto and Intermarché. Also probably the biggest buzz out there is where does Rimcoe end up in 2026? By all accounts, this deal, there's two landing spots,

Red Bull or Ineos. By all accounts, the deal is done. I said it yesterday, good for him if the deal's done, because if I'm the team and I'm watching, look, and I think we're all here, maybe some more than others, we're fans of Rimco. But there are just some riders, they can win a lot of bike races,

win the World Championships, time trial, win the Vuelta, win the whatever. You just can't win the Tour. There's something about it, there is a block. And I'm talking about great riders, they get to the Tour and they just can't do it. It's, it is a different. That's harsh. I'm not saying that last that get to the tour and they just can't do it. It is a different.

You guys were saying that last year before we started the tour that he had no chance to make the podium. He made the podium. But I will say, I kind of agree with Lance, even though we do have last year. I didn't even. All right, maybe I was loosely referencing him.

But what I'm saying is there are just some guys in this particular bike race just can't get over the hump and he rode the perfect race last year perfect race finished third yeah all right we'll be back in 2 and 32 all right welcome back to the move we're just sitting here chatting a little bit I guess got asked the question Tati poketar his fourth Stage win of the tour this year by the way won six stages last year We're all just sort of riffing like How many more stages can he win? Tomorrow's demanding date to my more show you the profiles tomorrow's over

16,500 Feet of climbing over the tourmalet etc etc Let's go around the horn. I mean, he's at four. I mean, I think he'll win at least another three. Yeah. Yeah. It just depends how much he wants to use his team. That's right. Keep the breakaway within themselves.

He doesn't have to win another stage at the rest of this tour. All he has to do is keep that four minute gap and he's fine. And I think at some point teams and riders just start getting a little pissed off that they, you know, they're taking too much of the candy. So we'll see, maybe they just ride more conservative, conservatively and just try to keep that lead and not go for the stage wins, but like we saw last year, he didn't do that and he kept winning. Yeah.

Spencer. I mean, it's, if you look at this, the remaining stages in theory, he could win every remaining stage if he really wanted to. I think he can win in Paris. I think, I think he could. I don't know if he will. I think he wins three more George. I, so the team, he won't, won't just park them on the front for the rest of the

race, but if you're the rest of the race, I don't know if you can just sit back and say like, Oh, we give up because you're fighting for second, you're fighting for third. You're going to have breakaways with guys that are in podium contention. And other teams are going to come forward to chase. Look what happened yesterday when Uno X road, that 51 man break. Yeah. And anything that finishes uphill, La Plagne, Cote de la Luz, Mont Ventoux. I mean, who else is going to win? And I mean, you guys are one of the biggest teams in the world,

Red Bull that has not won a stage, or have they won a stage this tour? No. So they have a big pressure to win a stage, big pressure to make the podium. They're gonna have to race super aggressively. And they have guys like Primoz Roglic that can do a lot of damage.

And this Leapwoods kid. Right right if you're Red Bull. Do you say two guys in the top ten plus a white Jersey? Does that equal that that's? That's better than winning a stage Right or no, it's me No, podium. Yes, it feeds into the, and we've had plenty of discussions around this the last week, is what does Visma do now? I mean, if it were me, and I'm certainly not a, great question for Johan,

you can ask him on Y'all Show Wiggle, but, tomorrow, I'm just sitting back and just seeing what happens. There's nothing they can do. I would do a little rope a dope and just let this thing play out tomorrow. Well, not only that, but they have Simon Yates, Mateo Jorgensen, Sep Kuss. I mean, these guys can all win stages in their own right. Hopefully they get the free card now that, OK, we're probably not going to

beat Jonas by attacking him. They already saw that that's not going to work. So let them race. Let them go for stage wins. And an effect of that might be that Jonas is able to make a move as well. But the strategy that they've had in the first 10 days is clearly not going to work. Let their guys that they know can win stages, let them go for stages, build up the morale of the team. I mean, that's what I would do. Well, I wouldn't say Mateo. Mateo is 14 minutes back, 10th place.

I think tomorrow he's put him in the breakaway. Yeah, I agree. And then what happens if it gets 10 minutes? Like, I don't think he's out of the GC. Like, is UA going to chase that down? I mean, we'll probably have other teams come forward first. But I think that's the move, is you just put everybody, start putting everyone in the move, is you just put every,

start putting everyone in the breakaway on every mountain stage. Yeah, but I think, and not focus on GC. Let them focus on stage wins. And that GC may come from that, but I'd say go for the wins. Well, then you're gonna have this action around these teams that are,

that will wanna fight for the podium. Yeah. Those are real, all of those guys that we mentioned, fighting for third, they're all on good teams. Vakulan has got to float and find the wheels, but everybody else has a team that can affect the race. That's perhaps an X factor.

Speaking of Jorgensen, nice bounce back from him today. Finished sixth in the time trial. Yeah These kids, you know, obviously we're he's our homie But yeah, I think they ride for him. They've none of them. I really had good days yesterday I don't know if their heat affected them more than normal, but they look tired. I was not material You're gonna perform. It looks it's good to see a bounce back today. One of your former teammates. They looked resigned. On Twitter, thought they looked a little cooked, maybe from their own tactics.

But I don't know if I've. That's it. I mean, it's demoralizing. Yeah. Did you notice Mateo was on a road bike in the TT? It's kind of interesting. Teammates on a time trial bike. He's on a road bike.

Yeah, I don't. I'm still stuck on it I don't fully get it. It's a good question. It doesn't look too different on his road bike to his TD bike. He's got a very similar position whichever bike he's on so it's purely for comfort you know I think. Did you you had a famous uphill time trial? Coldes, Aranis. What did you use on that? Road bike, very light road bike, no paint on. The paint weighs 300 grams, light wheels and then clip on skis. But that was the done thing then. I mean, talking 13 years ago. Right. Yeah. And you noticed Tade had a, had a, what looked or what appeared to be an unpainted bike. So same frame, different than not the white

paint. Yeah. Yeah. Which begs the question of why ever paint the bike? so the same frame, different than not the white paint. Yeah. Which begs the question of why ever paint the bike? Because as you say, it's like 300 grams lighter without the paint. Yeah. Which is kind of wild. I mean, that's approaching a pound. Yeah.

Like I never would have thought. That is. Let's just slap some paint on this thing. It looks better. It's a pound. All right, nevermind. Let's just take it off. You never, you don't, I wouldn't

thought about those things. What were your watts on that Coldest TT? I think like full five five. Four five five. You were in the skis almost the whole time too. Yeah, four hundred fifty five. So, coldest is not that steep. So four hundred fifty five watts.

Okay, and he's a lot bigger than Tade. You said Tade did four hundred eighty five watts today? Yeah, my internal calculations. Oh, yeah. Think about that. Internal calculations, but think about that. George, he said that at the commercial break. He doesn't want to say that. Okay. Well, go for it. I miss that part. But the performances these days are- We're talking about the greatest.

How much did you weigh when you did that? 72. 72. Yeah. But how how much did you weigh when you did that? 72. 72. Yeah. But then probably 60, you know, he says probably, but he knows, I think he was 64 last year. I think he's 65 this year. Okay. But, but then you did 470 at the Olympics, which was longer and in July. Yeah. I mean, this was, apparently it was March. It was a different time than you flatter. I mean, it's easier to crank up the Watts when it's uphill. Yeah. Yeah, I mean this was apparently was March. It was a different time of the year flatter I mean, it's easier to crank up the wads when it's uphill. Yeah. Yeah, exactly

But he did more watts on the flat. That's what I'm saying. That makes it even more impressive. Yeah, exactly So yeah, we go peak condition in July uphill time trial. He's probably about matching for God. Trust power different body Right. She's crazy. It is crazy, yeah. Yeah. Which equates to a minute or so, six, seven kilos. Yeah. And the rest. Today's show also brought to you by Ketone IQ, totally up to the game. New flavor choices, also some choices with caffeine.

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on the Col de Tourmalet. It's the first climb tomorrow. I spoke to Pippa York, formerly of course, Robert Miller the other week about this because she's won this stage into Luchon in the 84 Tour. And we all have a preference as to which side we preferred on the Tourmalet. Because there's no, we saw the other day, the damage that was done on the Sula which was

the first climb today but the side they climbed tomorrow is a long old side is it the traditional side of the untraditional side so the one that the opposite side to la mangie yeah yeah what's your favorite side of the tourmalet which is the long side the approach is forever you know it goes up and up and up and And you climb up past the Lamonji? No, the opposite side. Okay. So we go down through Lamonji. That's not usually much though, right?

So you go down through Lamonji. Got it, got it, got it. This is not typical for the Tour de l'Oeil. Well over an hour of climbing. Tour de l'Oeil is long. I mean, let's just have a look. Look at this. The numbers don't lie here.

I didn't like either side. No, but you know, you you get an idea early on tomorrow as to how you're feeling. 20 kilometers. Yeah. It's almost 7 and 1 half percent. So 12 miles at 7 and 1 half percent. Yeah, it's just a drag.

I mean, like, literally. Well, and figuratively. It's you don't find many climbs in France that are that long and hard. But it's early in the stage. Let's look at the overall profile. Kline We're going to go over 2,000 meters tomorrow in this tour. Deist It is the first big climb of the day.

Of course, we were talking in the pre-show about whether Tadej is going to get enough. We also talked about how many stages he's going to win. Does he get enough green jersey points to win green in Paris? Jonathan Milan better be looking at kilometer 70 here. Yeah, track's almost going to have to control that. I don't think they can do it. There's no way.

It's all flat. It's flat. Oh, it looks flat. No, no. But if you guys have been watching the early parts of these stages, they lose control so fast. I know. But this was your point.

Professor, you're the one who said you think Tade wins green in Paris. If you're Jonathan Milan in the track, you have to ride at the front for 70 kilometers, just so he can. When else is he going to go? I agree they have to do it. Quentin Simmonds can probably do it on his own.

Oh, damn. First 70k, American muscle, baby. It's going to be madness. I agree they have to do it because there's possibly that'd be a big break I think there'll be a big break again tomorrow. Yeah, milan has to go in these breaks if they want these points Yeah, that's the only they can't control it. There's no way you got the bat line to quinn-simmons Yeah, i'll ask quinn. Can you sit on the front at 800 watts for an hour? I mean he can I mean the guy Everybody on the tour goes to the racebook.

They are looking at I mean, I don't think they have a choice in that. And we didn't think about it necessarily or talk about it, certainly until we just looked at it. Yeah. I mean, going back to what we said earlier in the tour, they've weighted these intermediate sprints so heavily. I think that's right. I think they have to sit on the front. I think Milan has to earlier in the tour, they've weighted these intermediate sprints so heavily. I think that's right. I think they have to sit on the front.

I think Milan has to get in the breakaway. That's the only way. Well, I don't know. I think if they're all in the green jersey, they can definitely control it for the first 70k. If it was a flat finish, it was a 200k finish, they would control it in that sense. So why can't they do it for 70k?

But if they could do it, why haven't they been doing it? They've been losing. They probably have not felt the pressure like they're feeling now with Poguchar creeping up on their green jersey goals there. The other thing today, a lot of guys had an easy day today because of the time cut. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. We wanted to talk about that. They increased the time delay today, didn't they, Spencer? Is that right? Yeah, 40% from 33%. So a lot of guys, you know, it was a 25 minute effort today. When I woke up this morning and clicked it on, I don't know, it just crossed my mind. I said,

I wonder what the time cut is. Because it's always pretty, you know, as the tour gets on in weeks, it's pretty generous. I actually, and then I hear that they increased it from 33% to 40%. I could not disagree more. Right. You've got 10 guys that are writing their ass off. You got a bunch of guys that just that they are managing their day to stay right within 40%. I think that's I think everybody should have if 10 of the guys have to go all out, then everybody should

have to go, they don't have to go all out, but you got to go hard. And so then tomorrow, I mean, look, can they control it at the beginning of tomorrow's stage? I think it'd be a lot easier to control if everybody had to go hard today. That's too much. 40%, come on. I disagree with that. I think a lot of the sprinters still had to go full gas

Even to stay within the 40% percent I mean Garrett Thomas put out an interesting podcast last night saying people were freaked out about the time cut Yeah, like well if it's 33% what that would have been like seven minutes Like that and then you might have had sprinters miss it, but maybe yeah, maybe that's seven minutes You would have lost like at least 10 guys today. If it were more, listen, if you don't make the time cut, yeah, yeah. You know, lots of vista. Uh, but just, just, uh, just so everybody knows, uh,

Jonathan Milan in the green Jersey competition, 231 points, Tadej Pogacar, 203 points. So this is, that's not, if we're talking about him winning three or four more stages, well the right hand's on the wall. He also, Tadej Pogacar is also in, finally, finally the best climber in the Tour de France is in the Polka dot jersey.

He's leading. So I'm happy about that. Yeah. It's actually been set up pretty well by the organizers. Because then we have, it is still in the balance. It's green jersey. And it's like to have the best rider in the race going against the best sprinter. It's quite clever how they've placed these sprint points.

And I've just been a big fan of the route that they chose for 2025. By the way, I mean, we have Vuntou coming up right out of the rest. Yeah. Good luck. That's fantastic. Yeah. I mean, Vauntou is great. It is magic. I mean, it is a it is a special, special place.

I'm not saying that it should be in the tour every year, but there should not. It should be every other year. At least it's that special. And that's coming up. Yeah After the ride I didn't think about that Yeah, gross. Yeah hard and it's flat the whole day going into it, but it could be windy I mean the last time Bradley night did want to it was only you I think you were there too There was only 20 guys or no 30 guys left at the base of the client because of the wind

So it can be hot. It could be hot exposed a lot of stuff going on there before that climb Hmm, it's steep to like steeper than you would think from TV like almost nine percent to shell it's really tough No, the Vaughn 2 is the hardest climb in France Period in many ways. Yeah. No, it is the heart. There are no switchbacks. There is no relief. That is the hardest climate, France. What about Lowe's? I would say the Lowe's is harder. You have to much rest in the switchbacks. I don't think you've ever done it. It's a brand new road to the top now. I know. I just, very hard. This is La Plana is not a walk in the park. This is a tough tour. Let's do our Ventum trivia question of the day right quick and then we got some questions,

I believe, Professor. The Stage 12 question was about Hultacom. The Hultacom has earned a reputation as a... How many times has it been featured in the Tour de France? Seven times. Is that... Just do... Just read my paper. Seven times? Seven times. Just read my paper.

Seven times. Stage 13, Ventum trivia question of the day. The high altitude landing strip and finishing location of today's uphill individual TT holds special significance to one host of this year's The Move to Recoverage. Who is it and why? Good question. I have no idea. I have no idea.

Boy, I mean we were kind of, we were kind of flaming some of these questions. That one, I don't. Do you want me to read it again? Yeah. The high altitude landing strip and finishing location of today's uphill time trial holds special significance to one host of this year's The Move, that's us, coverage. Who is it and why? I mean, if it's me, I'm just, I don't know, maybe early onset.

I don't know. Anyhow, boy. All right. I was born at the, actually at the top of that. That's the significance. Really? There we go. All right, we just gave it a little.

That is a really good question. I think I know the answer, but took a bit of thinking. So we were just talking about this yesterday. This is from Cindy. Do you think the color of your kit on a sunny day, dark versus white, has an impact on your energy and experience in the heat? George, do you have these stats pulled up?

You're throwing out some crazy stats. I texted it to the group the other day. Don't we all? I mean, you kind of grow up just kind of being told that. It's really hot out. Really, the sun is baking. You just wear lighter colors. I mean, it's like one of those things that your mom just tells you growing up, right? Like you got to

wait 30 minutes before you get in the pool after you have a snack. I don't know if that's still the case, but you know I feel warmer when I if I wear a black golf shirt on a scorching day versus a white one. You're still hot, but you can feel it. Georgie, somebody sent in some, yeah, and then I think the question for Cindy, I believe it was, was maybe more in and around the color of yellow. That might fall in the lighter color category. What seems to have done that in the past as well, haven't they changed their kit for the tour? Cervelo went from black to white for the tour. I mean back in our day, Onsai's colors 11 months a year where it was the yellow

on say kit and the tour made them yeah they don't you wear yellow and so then they went to black and I remember even this is back I don't know 25 years ago think wow that's peculiar I don't know about that choice I'm not gonna go into the whole thing but the the final wrap wrap up of what I read was that white uniforms could save elite riders one to five minutes or two to ten watts over a hundred miles based on core temperature, based on heat absorption, all of that stuff. So there's something to that maybe. Where's the propeller head, Julik?

If we can ask him. I mean, this is a perfect question for Bobby J. All right, we'll shoot Bobby J at Tess Mutt. And I think that the question. Shameless Pug, he's the performance director of my new team, Shameless Pug, sorry. What color is your jersey? GoFundMe, we'll put a link to the GoFundMe.

Burgundy and gold, baby. Burgundy and gold. One thing I wanna mention, which I don't think anybody in this room knows, I don't think Anna knows, his wife, I don't know if his kids knows, Lance dropped something on me the other day on a bike ride where I'm like, what in the world? I've known this guy 30 years, we're pedaling along and you know, a lot of people- It's actually longer than 30 years?

Go ahead. Longer than 30. A lot of people have experiences with Mr. Lance Armstrong. He'd roll in and he's like, man, that guy's not very nice, right? Like very standoffish, perhaps. Not with us, you know, he likes us. But did y'all know, he told me this the other day, he said he's an empath.

He reads people's energy in rooms. So if you come at him with a little bit of hate in you, or a little bit of some-some, he's gonna read it and he's not gonna like you. So that's why he's not nice to most people. That isn't what an empath is. Nobody knew this. I don't think. Did she know this? Yeah, she does. And she gets, she could talk more about this, but you should go give it a go. That's not entirely what it means. Bradley.

Okay. But you don't disagree with that. No, no, no. That's why you like Bob Geldof. This guy. I'm going to tell you something. That dude, after I watched that show and then the second part of it is Sunday, that dude, Bob Geldof, shot straight into my top three. In the old days, we'd be like, well, who do you want to go have quite a few beers with, Bob Geldof, now whatever, have a hike with or,

but I just Googled it. You can't feel energy from watching something on TV, though. It's gotta be in the same room. So that's not something. Listen, and furthermore, I did not tell you that on a bike ride. I texted you. No, I looked at my text. It was on the ride the other day. Anyway, you told me that. Show receipts. Wait, can I go, can I go? I have other day. Anyway, you told me that. Show receipts, wait. Can I go, I have receipts right here in front of me. Can I go back to the Jersey and the color, are you done with the impact?

I'm done, I'm done. Cause I'm feeling some weird ass energy off you right now. Um, but back to the Jersey and the color thing, I mean I think the question came up because Visma, Lisa bike is primarily black, right? Yeah. You saw, you saw, I mean you I think the question came up because Visma, Lisa bike is primarily black, right? You saw it, you saw it. I mean, you saw this guy. Personally speaking, I would not want to ride a Tour de France

in a mostly black kit. I just wouldn't. I mean, if you put those hats out in the sun, then you put the white version of it and you touched it, one would be way hotter than the other. Not Bobby J. Tell him to spin up that propeller on his head and give us some answers.

I mean, Remco rode the TT in a white jersey today. The floating lip width is going to be wanting that white jersey to save the energy. This could be like the new trend where everyone's trying to get the white jersey. So last question, second and last question of the day. I've often wondered about this. This is from Mike.

How much does it help you and how much do you remember by pre-riding the course leading up to the tour? A lot. A lot. Yeah. I always found it. Look, and this is why I also liked to go in the team car with one of the earlier riders

just to see how my memory remembers these things. The course is different. The barriers are up. There's tons of fans there. The corners are tighter. You don't want to just get out there and say, well, yeah, I remember riding through these vineyards and, oh, a roller here, this little climb, 5K at 3%. But whatever. It is different once they get it all put together and it looks and feels different. So I liked, but absolutely. The other thing it does as well is it confirms your equipment selection for that day well in advance. So you're not there the night before going, well, shall I use a double chain ring, single

chain ring, this cassette, that cassette. So you've confirmed that well in advance. Even with races like Tour of Flanders, Paris, Roubaix, everybody still does the recon right before just because you got to memorize every little corner, every little whatever, pothole in the road. I mean everything can make a difference when it comes to positioning before these big sections of Flanders and Roubaix. So even for one day races they'll do recon. Yeah and the climbs. Very important. I mean the climb tomorrow's stage to have gone out and recon the stage, I mean, the tourniquet's 20 kilometers long.

There are sections that are just a little easier, right? And so it's nice to make, I always would ride those climbs and say, boy, if I am in trouble, I always had this plan of like, hey, if you get in trouble, you can bank on this section that you could, that's slightly easier. trouble. I always had this plan of like, hey, if you get in trouble, you can bank on this section that's slightly easier. So if you were racing this tour, would you have pre-ridden this stage already? Every foot of it. Yeah. Every foot of it. Absolutely. And you just like, hey, Johan, meet me in Poe. Yeah. And by the way, I mean, I don't know how many times I did Vaughn 2 over the course of my career, just because you pre-rode it three years before, I mean, we'd still go back. It didn't change. It's the same thing, obviously. But we'd still

just go back and run it. You guys reminded me, like you turn around equipment choices. Was Remco's chain falling off? It was. How does that happen in a time trial? Well, I think with Remco, because it was his TT bike, they've obviously changed. He may have gone to a compact groups.

I don't know in terms of change. So that front mech was normally going from a big chain ring, massive one, to a smaller one. And depending what chain rings he had on, they've had to readjust it and things like that and put it in a different position. But that happens quite often. Somewhat ironic, because it's really fast, like your equipment working,

and you put all this work and effort and money into having a fast machine and then your chain slipping. They're getting, it's this interesting period where I think the bikes are a little finicky right now. I mean you saw Jonas ride a one-by. Yeah. Right, I mean I think the future is probably everybody on a one-by actually. You know I mean, I think the future is probably everybody on a one by, actually. You know, I was always somebody that, when I think about my mountain bike, I just resisted going to one by for longer than most people.

And then when I made the switch, I was like, oh, that's lovely simple. And so we're moving that way, but you know, they're gonna be a little finicky. That's it simple. We're moving that way, but they're going to be a little finicky. That's it for questions. That's it. All right. Well, guys and gals, we'll see you all in the morning for stage 14.

And we'll see. Thought I'd get his fifth and his 21st overall. TBD. Thanks for tuning in. See you tomorrow.