THEMOVE - Gent-Wevelgem & Volta Cataluyna Breakdown | THEMOVE

Episode Date: March 30, 2025

George Hincapie, Johan Bruyneel, and Spencer Martin break down Mads Pedersen's incredible solo win at today's Gent–Wevelgem, and discuss how his Lild-Trek's team perfect tactics, in addition to Pedersen's absurdly strong legs, propelled him to victory, before discussing Primož Roglič's come-from-behind GC victory at Volta Cataluyna, which saw him ride clear to win on the final stage in Barcelona. Outside of today's races, George reflects back on his own win at Gent-Wevelgem in 2001, and how much it meant to both him and the team.   Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team   Pique: For a limited time, get 20% off for life plus a free Starter Kit (rechargeable frother and glass beaker) when you grab the Pu'er Bundle. With Pique's 90-day money-back guarantee, you've got nothing to lose. Try it now at https://www.piquelife.com/themove and feel the difference on your next ride. Maui Nui: Maui Nui offers the only 100% Wild-Harvested meat that's completely stress-free and responsibly sourced. It's perfect for anyone looking to elevate their meals with delicious, high-quality protein. Maui Nui Venison is offering THEMOVE listeners a limited collection of our favorite cuts and products. But...supply is limited by the nature of their work, so don't wait. Check them out. https://mauinuivenison.com/lp/THEMOVE?utm_medium=podcast&utm_source=show_notes&utm_campaign=THEMOVE&utm_term=THEMOVE&utm_content=landingpage AG1: AG1 is offering new subscribers a FREE $76 gift when you sign up. You’ll get a Welcome Kit, a bottle of D3K2 AND 5 free travel packs in your first box. So make sure to check out https://www.DrinkAG1.com/themove to get this offer! That’s DrinkAG1.com/themove to start your new year on a healthier note. OneSkin: OneSkin is the world's first skin longevity company, keeping your skin looking and acting younger for longer. Get started today with 15% off using code THEMOVE at https://oneskin.co Helix Sleep: Go to https://helixsleep.com/themove for 20% off

My dad was telling me that he was in the backyard doing landscaping in New York. And at the time, obviously, you didn't have live streaming of cycling races, but it was getting well. There was a huge, huge race. And as I experienced quite often now, my son races, I get really nervous when he's racing, so I have to be occupied. So he's outside doing landscaping, listening to a Colombian sports show on the radio and Colombian sports talk about soccer and all, you know,

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they call it like a sprinters version sprinters classic, but today it was not Mads Pedersen just decided, you know what, the sprints aren't working out. I'm just going to ride away from everyone and when second place was Tim earlier, third place, John, his teammate, Jonathan Milan on little track. Before we get into breaking down how this happened, why did this happen? What did we learn from it? George, you won this race in 2001.

Is that correct? That is correct. 24 years ago, I won the race. It was an exciting race. I believe our Gabriel is gonna put some video of the final, was it the final K or I'm not sure what we're gonna do, but we can, you guys can ask me questions on how it went. All right, we've got it.

We've got the video queued up here. Let's watch. Yeah, so it was, I think, yeah, five man breakaway. I'm trying to kind of hang back just so I can like pay attention. I knew that Leo Ben-Bone was super fast. I was expecting Pizx to do something like what he's just doing there, which actually put me in a really good position. But between Weseman and Ben-Bone, those guys are typically really fast. So it was

a really nerve-wracking sprint. I had to risk it all and sort of let them do the work to catch Pizx, which was a really strong attack. And now I'm placed perfectly on Leo Van Bones wheel, who's at the time, Johan, you remember, he was quite fast. He was very fast. Yeah. So there was no guarantees here, but I'm doing everything I can to beat into the line. And as you'll see, you know, we don't have to play now, but the post-release interview,

I had no idea if I had won. I had my really good friend Rest In Peace Paul Sherwin telling me that he wasn't sure either and that we needed to wait for the report but the Belgian commentator was saying that I won and I didn't believe him at first so it's kind of funny and in our counterpart Bradley Wiggins can do this interview like to perfection so if you ever run into him ask him to do this interview. He imitates me quite well. They're looking at the photo. They're looking at the photo. I know, listen to my voice.

You really went, George. He says I won, he says, sure. That's cool. Yeah, it was fun. I posted the whole video on Instagram if anybody wants to check it out. But another funny story about that, which I didn't know this story, I was having dinner with my parents last night and my dad was telling me that he was in the backyard doing landscaping in New York.

And at the time, obviously, you didn't have live streaming of cycling races, but it was getting well. There was a huge race. And as I experienced quite often now, my son races, I get really nervous when he's racing, so I have to be occupied. So he's outside doing landscape and listening to a Colombian sports show on the radio. And Colombian sports talk about soccer and all, you know, all Colombians. And then all of a sudden, while he's like cutting bushes somewhere, they go, attention, attention, El Colombiano Georgi Capia has won the Gantt Welbegum.

And he's in the backyard. He starts screaming, yelling, running side talks to my mom. He won. He won. So it's kind of funny. Sorry. I had no idea that that's how my dad first found out that I won again. But it's kind of funny last night talking about it. That's cool. That is a cool story. Oh, but it was it was it was a really important victory.

Also for me, for you, obviously, George, but for the team, you know, because as everybody knows, we were not extremely focused on the classics. This was the first biggest one day race win. And I think actually in the whole history of the team, it's the biggest win because we never won a world two race, like a monument. So again, the VW is like the next, the next best one.

And, um, no, it was a huge win. Um, crazy to think it's already, you know, 24 years ago. And just thinking about like watching today's race, for example, I mean, obviously I had an amazing day that day felt so good, so strong, so confident did like a really good numbers of, um, uh, the camel Berg, but confident, did like really good numbers of, of, um, uh, the Camelberg. But man, how much is cycling chains? Like these guys feel good. They're so strong.

Mads Peterson was on the attack with almost a hundred K to go and bridges up to the breakaway essentially on his own. I mean, we got to break this down because the amount of power that Mads Peterson displayed in today's ride, not to mention after riding an incredible race on Friday. And obviously you would think he'd be a little bit tired. But I mean, Johan, what about this performance? Well, I mean, listen, I mean, if you listen to his interview after the race, he recognizes, but it's, I mean, he didn't have to say it. We already saw, I mean, the, the, the exhibitions he put on in, in Paris Nice. That was incredible already. Uh,

but he says he's in the best shape of his life. Uh, but I think George, um, you know, when I saw him go and I think he, he went for, he, for the first time he went with 72 K to go on one of those, but he before he was already in a lot of other little groups. You know, it went with 72K2G bridged up and then with 60K2G he went on his own. You know, the first reaction is, hey, what are you doing? You know, you can't make this. On the other hand, I think also that we are witnessing a generation with four or five really super strong guys. Not every, I mean, listen, there's not many guys who can do this.

It's Vanderpool, Pogacar, uh, Max Pedersen now, um, and, and maybe, uh, maybe Remco sometimes. Yeah. Right. There's not, nobody else can do this. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I mean, it's, if you look, and even if they don't go by themselves, the races are decided with 60, 70, 80 K to go. Friday was the same thing. 80 K to go.

And the race, there were three guys, you know, so that anyway, for a rider like Mats Pedersen, who's more of a, you know, not going to say he's a pure sprinter, but he's more of a fast guy with, with good power. Uh, to pull this off was, was incredible. Um, you know, there's, he was by far the strongest, uh, anytime in the race, there has been an action that there was a danger of splitting and, or when it split, he has not left top five, the whole race. Yeah. Not only that his, his, his team looked unbelievably strong, but you know, students and, um, uh,

Jasper Stoven, um, I mean, they had four Milan, they had four or five guys. Yeah. In that case was there. Yeah. And as we know, like these guys are pulling full gas. Also, and they pull off and you see a track guy. It's like not good for them. Yeah. Mentally, when you see, oh, shit, I'm chasing this guy back.

I got Jonathan Milan on my wheel just chilling. So it doesn't give us much chances either way here. I mean, what a tactical race that Little Trek road today. I mean, just very impressive. And I think also, you know, I think it's quite smart also from Little Track to, to focus on, I mean, you know, nowadays, if you look at, at the big races, if I'm a team manager, I would focus on, on the races where Pogacar and Van der Poel are not, you know, it's not like a super smart, a super strong team, you know, because you could say, well, he did

a great race in E3. He already won the game twice. Let's, you know, save him this weekend and recover for Flanders and Roubaix. But I mean, what are the chances that anybody except Bogacar or or van der Poel going to win Flanders? They're slim, right? So I think it's a really smart tactic. They were the strongest team by far. And then Pedersen was unbelievable.

I mean, the way he went there on that, they have now changed. I mean, it's already a few years, but they have these three dirt roads. You can't call it gravel roads because it's actually soil. It's muddy. I mean, luckily it didn't rain the last few days, but they call it the Pluk streets. Which I mean, there you could see already when he went, it was only, it was only Phillipson and Olaf Koi who could follow. And then Phillipson has a puncture and Olaf Koi crashed, broke his collarbone by the way.

Broke his collarbone. So in two crashes in the last week, you know, he also crashed heavily last week in the Pana. So yeah, really bad luck for him. But yeah, when he went there, you could see already, okay, this is not for this is not joking. He doesn't go away to see if somebody comes with him. That was already a deciding move. Yeah. I mean, and, and you could, you could, you could look back and say,

why didn't quick step and these other teams start chasing directly. But like you said, it was such a hard race. Um, clearly the little track must have had that tactic where let's go mad is in good shape. We got Jonathan Milan in case it ever comes back to his sprint. You might as well go, go full gas. And, and, and the fact that it was a tailwind at the end, they know that going in, they know that if I can get to that tailwind section, you can probably go as hard as three guys chasing me. So, um, pretty,

pretty amazing race to watch. Yeah. But I mean, especially the way he went, like when he went from 60 K to go to 30K to go, the way he put time into those six, seven guys at the same time, put the same time on the Peloton, and there was three guys chasing there. There you can see, okay, he has, the guy has incredible legs.

It was funny, did you hear his interview after the race? I did not. I did. Yeah. You know what he said? You know, well, I actually don't know what I was thinking. I went, uh, yeah, you're right. He did say he, he, he had gone past the point of no return. So he's like already out there. And he's like, well, shit, I'm not going to just keep going here. Well, think about having, it looks crazy to us. And like Brian Smith on the commentary, he couldn't, he was like, he's going to get caught. What's he doing? But if you have Jonathan Milan sitting in the group,

doesn't really matter, right? Just go. And if you get caught, Milan's going to win the sprint. So it looks crazy for Pedersen. But if you think about it as a holistic team strategy, it's great for them because Pedersen's out there. If he wins, he wins. If he gets caught, Milan's going to win the sprint. So that's, they've got all their bases covered to add context to this as well. Like before we even, before the TV came on, the race was breaking up. So like, you know, it's splitting into the Peloton splitting up. It's not like Pedersen just came to the front on the Christmas truce section and

said, I'm going to go fast. Like every, like everyone that was in that Peloton, a lot of them had chased back on. So they're probably gassed already. And I almost think about it in basketball. It sounds really simple, but teams have realized three or three points are more than two. So let's shoot a bunch of threes. And it's completely changed the game in the last few years. This is almost the same where if it's like, well, if I'm stronger than everyone else in this race, let's make the race as hard as possible from as long as the, from the finish as we can.

And then no one can catch me when I go away solo. And you know, cause that Peloton was not riding any faster than Mads Pedersen was. Well, no, they were actually the smart thing. The smart thing, obviously you have to be super strong to do this, but what Pedersen did, so he went the second time of the Camelback, right? So, you know, already, I mean, and he was already in the, in the break, you know, so he got, he had braced across. So, you know, already, okay, if you have a minute at the bottom,

the teams that will ultimately start chasing have to wait because their sprinters are going to drop back on the camelback. You know, so that's already another 30 seconds probably because Merlir on the second time he went on the camel on the camel berk, he was really, really bad. He was, you know, he Phillipson looked a lot better. But you know, you can't do it with one team. You need two or three sprinters there with their teams to bring it back. So that take having that into account, the two times he went up the Camelberg, he went, he took time on the

Peloton and then the team of the sprinters have to wait until their sprinters comfort will be back and then they can start chasing. By then it was two minutes. So yeah. Yeah. And again, I've done it a bunch of times. I've done several different scenarios of the racing again, well, but one thing you're almost guaranteed and you're correct. And if I'm wrong, is that people just think it's getting well with them. You have a hard circuit at the end with the Camelburg, but not much going on in the beginning. Well, no, you when you start getting well with them,

you know, you're going to have a hundred K of mainly crosswind battles. I mean, there's years that I've done it were two, three K into the race. There's 30 guys at a, you know, 200, because you know that typically there's going to be huge crosswind battles in that race. And it's going to soften up a lot of the peloton and these strong teams like track, little track, and those guys are specialists at that sort of stuff. And that's how they start, you know, basically softening up the Peloton, which actually ends up making it a lot safer race as well.

Because by the time you get to the actual small roads that you're fighting for, it's less people. The majority of the Peloton isn't there fighting. So it makes it safer. It makes it harder, more selective, and it benefits guys greatly like Mads Peterson. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I think also, I don't know, I mean, I would have to look at the courses from back in the days, but they, it,

they did make it harder and harder. I mean, there's like 10, 10 climbs in that, that loop around the Camelberg, you know, they call it the, the hovel on. So it's like the, the land of the hills, they call it in Flanders. But as, as you say, George, you know, it's not just because of the hills, it's the crosswinds and the stress from the very beginning. It takes so much out of you that by the time they get to the difficult, the hilly part, purely because of the nerves, half of the peloton is drained already. They're just hanging in there. They're not fighting anymore for position. Yeah.

So, you know, once you start into those, into those hills and you're in the front, usually you're going to stay there if you have good legs. But still, you know, it's, it's, you could clearly see it's a very stressful race. You know, we saw, we saw, I mean, there was crashes. And then we saw this, this maneuver of Jordi Meus, who, you know, one of the usual things, you know, that you see a corner,

you tried to gain a few positions and he made a mistake. You know, he calculated wrongly and took out five riders. Yeah. So, and we've heard some criticisms from that, like, what's he doing? What's he thinking? You know what you're on? You and I, you and I know in Belgium, this happened like a million times. If you're not trying to quack somebody to move up five places, you can spit 50 places behind. You constantly have to be trying to do that.

I'm so happy you bring this up because I brought, I talked about this with Spencer in our former podcast, you know, and I said, Hey, you know what? This is, this is war, you know? And if you don't bump, you get bumped. Right. And, uh, and I got assassinated over it on social media as usual, not that I care, but, but, you know, I mean, anybody who has been in that situation and you're a perfect example anyway, the critics are going to say that you're an old fart and you're old fashion. But that has not changed. That has not changed. If not, it's even more war now. And if you want to win a race in Flanders, that's the way you have to race. Otherwise you're in the

back and you can forget about it. Right? Yeah. I always say when you're racing in Belgium, and I'd always have this in my head, if you give somebody an inch, they're going to take a mile in Belgium. You can let them bars go past you. You will end up 50 back before you know it and be stuck in the middle of the time, almost impossible to get up. So you always have to be conscious of where you are, who's next to you, who's in front of you, who's about to try to pass you, whether you're going to let them do that or not.

Um, what's, what's your, what's your, what's your out? Like in Belgium, we're always looking at how much room do I have on the left? Is there a hole in front of me constantly? Otherwise you get spit in the back of the peloton. You never get to the front. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what makes those races those races so special. And a lot of times it's hard to see that on TV. Like it's for the people that haven't done it. You know, they'll they'll turn on 50, 70 K to go to small fields.

Everything's broken up, but not ensure you what the battles that happened in those first a hundred, 150 K or, you know, still stuff that I wake up with nightmares about because it's so stressful. So stressful. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, honey. Take it. I was surprised by that. That's not, I was just thinking about some stories. I don't think are safe for this podcast about racing like Kermes level in

Belgium, but crazy stuff happens. You've got to be, you got to be fighting to be at the front. But after the first pass of the Kemmelberg, this is like 50 ish K to go. Pedersen has 19 seconds on Marco Haller, Victor Campenarts, and someone whose name I don't want to try to pronounce. Johan, if you have that on hand. They are on Lotto.

Arjen? Oh, Arvind Lee Veins. And the Peloton is like a minute back. So this is a point where it's like, I don't know if he's going to make it. By the second time they go over the Kemmelberg, this is a 20 kilometers later. Patterson is a minute 30 on that chase group and basically two minutes on the Peloton. So, I mean, he won the race right there. Like that.

That was the second time and the third time because they did a three time Spencer. He attacked the second time. And then the third time was from the other side, the steep part. Did they do one time the hard way? Yeah, well, fortunately they do it from that side now because George, you've probably done it a number of times going down. Yeah, I was telling my family about it watching today, which is the most dangerous descent in cycling. Yes, yes, yes. There's been, there have been really, I mean, career ending crashes, I guess, in that downhill back in the days.

So yeah. Johan, explain why that backside downhill is, I don't know, 20% steepness. And if someone, and it's really, really rough. So the chance of a bottle popping out and it getting slick with water or the bottle getting stuck in somebody's wheel and the crashing is very, really rough. So the chance of a bottle popping out and it getting slick with water or the bottle getting stuck in somebody's wheel and the crash in is very, very high. And if someone crashes in front of me, there's absolutely no chance to stop.

Like you're going to crash. It's been like chaotic, you know, horrible crash that goes out there. And fortunately, they don't use it anymore. I have I have a good story about that also about that side, actually, George, as an as an I mean, amateur back in the days, under 23. Now there was, you know, not, not get the Viv again, but it was called the three days of West Flanders. And I don't know which year it was. It must have been mid eighties. And it was the first year that the look pedals were a thing, you

know, but it was very, very, uh, you know, back in there was the, the, not all the shoe brands, uh, you could fit the cleats on. And so you had to drill the holes. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah. Yeah. To drill the holes. And so, um, I had this, these look pedals. So it was, I guess since a few weeks before we went up the, the, the Camelback from that side, from the hard side, uh, a guy in front of me crashed, I turn over and there was no way I could get my foot out. I think I was like second or third in GC and then I lost the race there. I was laying there, couldn't get my foot out.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, but that, that downhill is, is back in the days it was like, okay, you you're there. You basically, okay, not close your eyes, but you just don't think about anything and just try to make it to the bottom. Right. I mean, luckily they don't do that anymore. That's, that's a really good decision to not go down there anymore. Yeah, for sure. I agree. So Patterson wins 49 second gap on Timerler, uh, third, Jonathan Milan, fourth, Kristoff, which is big for Uno X that's 275 UCI points.

If you wondered why uno X was working so hard in the finish, but did it, was there any point where you guys thought he was going to get caught? Like at what point did you think he was going to stay away? Last time over the Camelberg, last time over the Camelberg, he had almost two minutes this and the way he was riding. And then of course, you know, when you, when you think we all knew that was, it was tailwind. If it would have been not tailwind or, you know, cross, crosswind or headwind, that's a different story. Then maybe he didn't make it.

But yeah. And also if you're, if, if you hit the camel, he had been away for, I don't know how many K or any on his own before that you would think he's going to lose easily 30 seconds on the camel. And he did not lose 30 seconds on the camel with a raging Peloton behind. I mean, he just rolled up that thing. Let's not forget George. If you, if you remember last year, I mean, this is the third time. Max Pedersen wins this race, right?

And last year he won the race against what you have under the pool in the sprint, but he had not you have under the pool on the ropes on that last time. I'll talk to Camelberg. So, um, yeah, I can listen. Amazing performance. I'm really happy for him. Uh, you know, I think, I think he really deserves that win. It also makes, you know, if you go back to Friday, a lot of people were saying, why, why is he pulling with Vanderpoel? What's he doing? It's like, well, this is why, because he thinks, and as you said, Johan, last year,

he had him on the ropes. It's like, he thinks he's the strongest writer in the sport. Probably. If you guys were doing this, would you think I'm pretty good? I should probably press the issue when I can. Like, but also Spencer, you know, it's, I think it also goes with the, with the, the attitude of the riders. No, much better. This is a warrior, you know, he's not going to, he's not going to sit on, um, you know, there's different ways of pulling also, you know, if you're, if you're with Vanderpool,

you know, you take, you can take turns, but you know, I'm not going to say soft battling, but let him do the majority of the work, the longest pulls or the fastest pulls. But these guys call me in Ghana is the same, you know, he kind of knows that pulls or the fastest pulls, but these guys call me in Ghana is the same. You know, he kind of knows that he can't drop him, but they're, they're not going to sit on, there's no way they're going to sit on there. They're, I think they're too proud. And on top of that, you know, it's a, it's a good way to mean if the three strongest riders are away. Um, that's the podium, right? We saw the same thing in Milan San Remo. Uh, why would Ghana and Van der Poel relay Pogacar in between the,

the, the chip press and the podge or knowing for sure that Pogacar is going to try to attack them and drop them on the suppressor. They're right for the podium. Yep. That's a very good point that I think a lot of people, um, who haven't raced don't think about, but yeah, those podiums Yep. That's a very good point that I think a lot of people who haven't raced don't think about, but yeah, those podiums matter. Before we move on and do our ad break in Catalonia, just, I've seen about Yohan and I were talking a lot about Vismo on Friday. Like, man, they used to be at the front of these races. What's going on.

They were pretty active. Like when the TV coverage came on, everything gets derailed when Olaf Koi crashes and breaks his collarbone. But I don't know if you guys caught this, but the Peloton split in the crosswinds are really close to the breakaway. Victor Campenaerts slips off the front, bridges up to the break. Pretty good situation. Olaf Koi crashes out. Mads Pedersen bridges up to the breakaway.

Now Victor Campenaerts is away with Mads Pedersen. But what what is the best case scenario there for, for Visma? Like is it Campenarts staying away for a podium? It just didn't feel like that had set them up for maybe the most success that they could have today. I think once, I mean, I think once you lose Koi, at least like Johan said, fighting for, for a good result, getting on the podium, being in the breakaway, having the team front and center on TV. At that point, you know,

there's no reason for him to sit up and wait for his guys. I believe he was trying to fight for a good place to the finish. Yeah. I can't help but think though that there's something off at Wiesma. You know, this is not the usual Wiesma we're seeing. It's been too many times now, especially in the spring classics. You know, they've done great in other races, but, um, something's not working out there. Um, I don't know what it is. Um, of course, you know, they're well, when Art just came back on Friday. Um,

I personally think that when Art should have been in this race, you know, um, winning so much on why does he have to, well, they have a plan that here's, here's the thing, Spencer. And you bring up a good point, you know, it looks to me like they have a plan and they do not deviate from the plan. They are unable to, is it, I don't know if it's mentally to adapt to the circumstances, which I think I've seen this with a few teams. And I think Visma, in my opinion, is one of them. They're so rigid, and focused on this is what we do, you know, and they're

like the whole thing also with, you know, the, the extremely short cranks, for example, the 150 50 cranks, right. Just an example, but they're looking at so many little things that they lose the essence of bike racing. And to give you another example, the, one of the opposites in my opinion is opposite and little track for sure. They, they look after everything. They, they are on top of everything. But they race. They race and they adapt to circumstances. And to me, it seems like Wismar as a team, they can't adapt to circumstances. I mean, that's the impression I have. Maybe I'm wrong, you know? But there's something not right there. the, because Visma as a team should, they should

be one of the three dominating teams in these races. And they're not for the moment. I agree. But we have seen, you know, big teams sort of start out slow. And then once they hit races like Flanders and Roubaix, it's go time, everybody, it's all on the line. So I'm personally hoping that, you know, they pull it together and they got guys like Juergensen,

obviously, well, Ben Arz and a really solid team that has a proven history of success in these types of races. So I'm hoping that they get to Flanders and are able to provide a great show and a battle for us to watch. Yeah, it's not gonna be easy, George, because you know, as you know, there's no miracles in a short, in a short period of time, you know, so if you look,

Van Aert and Jorgensen are their two strongest guys for Flanders and Roubaix. You know, logically think logically. I mean, how can they get up to the level of what you have on the pool that they put out, people Ghana and much better. So I don't think so, man. Uh, they need circumstances. They need circumstances to be in the front because, and I said this, I said this to Spencer in, in, in our earlier podcast, I said, well, one art, uh, and I'm, I'm, I'm a fan of vote. And I would love to see him do really well, but I just just seems like he doesn't have the legs right now.

Because a top fan art would have corrected that situation on the Thionberg on Friday. That's true. He also said he just arrived from altitude and he goes, there was kind of an experiment they got there, I don't know, a day or two before. We all know what we feel like when we come off altitude, it takes some days to adjust, to adapt. Yeah, for sure, for sure. So you know, like you said, maybe this is part of the plan. Like, okay, you want to do well at E3, you want to show, but also it's all about Flanders and Roubaix for these guys.

Well, I guess, I guess we'll judge, we'll judge or give our opinion. We're not going to judge. We're going to give our opinion after Roubaix, right? Yeah. Yeah. But I just want to come back, back George on a little, a little, I think it's one year ago, two years ago in the Tour de France, probably two years ago, where you and Lance and I had a disagreement on Van Aert and Van der Poel.

And I said, I think personally that Van der Poel is more of a talent, more of an born winner. And you guys said, Oh, are you crazy? Have you not seen the tour? Have you, have you changed your mind already or you still think? I'm not going to count out Wild Van Hart. I mean, obviously he has not had a great start of the year, but I mean, it is Wild Van Hart and yeah, let's, let's hope he pulls it together.

But clearly Randlepole is leading that duo. Yeah. Well, that's and in Van Aert's defense, you know, let's not forget, you know, we have to mention this, his two incredible crashes last year. In March in the words of London, it was horrible. And then in the Vuelta, that knee injury is really, really bad. You know, it's not easy to come back from those things. So that's obviously, you know, we're, we cannot forget that. Right. So it's not easy. How good was he going in the welter? I mean, he was basically winning at, you know, with winning at all and every discipline. I mean, he was flying at the welter.

So hopefully he finds that form here pretty soon. I hope so. I hope so. You would have won the green and the K-1 Jersey at the fault though, just for that. That's incredible. I mean, I love Vinart, probably my second favorite writer in the sport, but it does look, in my opinion, it looks bad when you're skipping these races like San Remo, getting Wubblegum, And then you're not performing. You're not doing the Vanderpool drop in and win. It's, you know, cause it's like,

okay, it wasn't good cause he's at altitude, but why exactly were they, why are they doing this? I don't know. We'll see Spencer in Flanders and Roubaix. That's the whole, the whole plan. Right. One, one thing, I mean, and my son told this, this morning, uh, we went for a ride and we were talking about that. Uh, it seems that Van Arte, uh, did his best ever time on the Quaramont on Friday. Um, he was, he was about five or six seconds slower than Van Der Poel.

He's not that bad, you know? Yeah. But I saw that Johan, but Van Der Poel was off the front riding faster leading into the Quaramont. So he shouldn't be faster than Van Aert. You know, that's, you know, like, because Van Aert was sitting in the group, Van Aert pulls off the front going actually harder

than him in riding the Quaramont faster. So, yeah. He cannot, the objective information here is that one art that his best time on the Quarremont ever. So he's not that bad, right? Now, now what we, what we also know now lately is that we see this all the time. All a bunch of writers say, I have my best numbers ever. Uh, you know, like Egan Bernal has better numbers than when he won the tour de France. Uh,

and he's not, he's not competitive anymore for the top three for the moment. So, you know, whatever your best numbers are from three, four years ago, and you beat those, that just doesn't do it anymore. No, and, and then art could be like 5% off. You know, it's not, we're not saying he's 50% off. That can mess with your position a lot. Yeah, a lot. Sorry, George, what were you going to say? No, I mean, it's just clear how much, how much more numbers are required now than even

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stage was like a 30 kilometer Kermes basically that Quinn Simmons won impressively. But going into the final day today, Primoz Roglic was trailing Juana Uso on UAE by one second. It's a short circuit, 88k. So that's like 50ish miles in Barcelona with a repeated hard climb, but not long climbs. You're thinking, man, it's going to be tough for Roglic. He's probably going to have to win the stage to win the overall, but can he beat Wana Yuso in a sprint?

That was my concern. Well, Roglic said, let's, uh, let's have the boys ramp the pace up on the front. And I'm just going to attack and drop everybody. And he went with about 20 K to go. It was two and a half laps remaining and he never had a, that big of a gap. He ended up winning by 14 seconds. And that was about his gap for a lot of it. Um, wins the stage wins the overall.

You know, this isn't the tour to France, but to me, this was like, this was a big marker for Primos. I thought it's he won the Vuelta last year. I thought this was the best he's looked since he's come over to Red Bull. You know, he had that wobble at Perrinius last year. It's like, ah, is the new team's team suiting them? But this was like vintage Primos, you know, long range attack. He gets a lot of crap for being a final kilometer merchant, but he's going up

against one of the biggest young talents in the sport and Wana Yuso. And basically everyone knows what he has to do and he does it anyway, rides away. Egan Bernal was, was right on his wheel. I thought Egan Bernal looked fantastic, still gets dropped at the top of that Montjuïc climb. Roglet just holds everybody off looked unbothered. You know, they're back there fighting, but Johan, what was your big takeaway from this win from Primos?

Well, first of all, I'm happy for him because, you know, I mean, he was, let's be fair, you know, he's probably never going to win the Tour de France in his career, not with these guys around, but he can win basically every other stage race except the Tour, which is quite impressive. And these one week stage races, he already won Catalonia, was it two years ago against Remco? Yeah, that was 2023.

Yeah. And especially, you know, his big goal is the Giro. And then he's also doing the tour, but I guess he's focusing on the Giro. Uh, he looked good, man. He looked good. He's, he looks ripped. Um, there was not one single stage where he usually, when he, when he, he always has one day where he has to fight to keep up or lose a little bit of time and then comes back this week that didn't happen. He lost one stage against the, I also in the, in the sprint uphill, then he won another one. And then it was basically the bonification. So it's a, it's a shame we didn't get to see yesterday's stage, which was supposed to be the hardest stage, got

canceled because of the wind. They took out all the climbs. So it came back to today. Before the stage of today, I thought, you know what? It's going to be difficult for Primoz because Ayuso is a winner also. He's had an amazing season so far, also focusing on the Giro, but already won Paguelia, he won Tireno, you know, so obviously in great shape. But this is Primoz, man. He's I mean, as we used to usually call him in our chats, the silent assassin. He's, he knows how to execute, man. And today he didn't wait for the bonifications. He just went.. I'm going to say, I think he didn't expect to go on that third climb on the third last time because he actually, he actually got a gap on they were, they passed the, the king of the mountains already.

Yeah. And they just took that turn. Um, but, but I think his really good shape combined with the fact that Ayuso had really an off day today. He was nowhere near his usual level. And so, yeah, I mean, he probably seen that. These guys know each other so well that they can see little things that don't look right. And Primoz took advantage of it in the best way possible. Yeah, it's interesting to watch him. And his cadence is so high compared to all the other GC guys I've ever watched. It's really fun to watch his style.

It's completely different, super high cadence, super aggressive. Even that stage that he lost, Ayuso, it was like he was almost shocked. It's like, wait, somebody's still on my wheel. Like he's actually coming around me. I don't think he would expect that. He felt so good. And he saw the day the next day when he actually just still let it out and ended up winning that one.

But clearly on on on huge form and I'm a massive Primoz Roglic fan. And I'm hoping he gets to the Tour de France at 100 percent. Like you said, it'd be tough to beat those guys, but it'd still be fun to have him battle it out with them and actually make it without crashing this year. And let's hope for that. But also, I know that it was a shortened stage for Quinn Simmons, but American Rider first pro tour win. He was over the moon excited.

I mean, this guy, that attack that he did. I don't care if the race was shortened or not, but one K uphill, full gas on your own and then holding off that peloton. That was super impressive. Clearly, he's on his he's in good shape. And yeah, it's great to see him come back. He was part of that really ugly, unfortunate incident and towards Switzerland last year, really messed with him.

Was that last year or two years ago, Johanna? Two years ago, right? Two years, right? Is it not three years ago? It might have been. I rode with him after that. He came to Greenville, is he right? It might be.

But regardless, very tough a situation to deal with mentally as a young rider. For sure. For sure. It's great to see him come back. Confidence. And I think we're going to see him have a great year this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. And speaking of Primoz Roglic, just,

you know, all of our listeners know Lance and I were just in Slovenia last weekend and we, uh, we were actually at the ski slope, the, the jump, the ski jump slope where Primoz, uh, was training and had this horrible accident, which thanks to this crash, Primoz cyclist is now Primoz Roglic is now a cyclist. Man, let me tell you, if you see that, this guy is not normal. If you go down there, that's crazy. It's unbelievable how impressive this is. And think the thing that somebody goes off there on skis and then flies through through the air today. They actually broke the world record. There was the last, the last, uh,

uh, race in the world cup. And, uh, I saw some guy broke the world record 254.5 meters. Dude, he's, he's a special guy. If you, if you do this, I'm going to, I'm cycling is cycling is peanuts. You're probably not nervous going into the final circuit thinking, I don't know. Can I take the second? I had the same reaction. You know, when I saw that ski jump, like this guy is kind of messed up actually. Why would you do that? It's crazy. Yeah, it is. It is. Yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, I, I knew you, so I was curious about this because I guess it wasn't on TV, but

there's a bonus right at the start, like right after the start, Primos wins it. I would have loved to have seen that. Must have been a thrilling sprint, but they get into the circuit, the difficult circuit. There's another bonus sprint. I believe it was, oh, it was somebody, it was somebody on Red Bull goes for it. I used to sprint for it really hard, wins it over Primos as teammate. Primos gets third, but he's kind of like a noodling a little bit. And then they start to get to work on the circuit. And you think, was that a little bit of a trap?

Because I used to, it was never the same after that. And it kind of looked like you can kind of see Primos back there looking at them, you know, then the first couple times up the climb. And I don't, I don't think it was a trap. I think it was, uh, uh, it was out of necessity. I mean, he was down by because of the bonus sprint. I've read bullshit had some guys off the front to sort of nullify that. Yeah, it didn't happen, but I think it was like, well, shit, he won this sprint.

He's leaning virtually now in the GC. I have no option, but it's trying to get away here if I want to win this. And yeah, I was, I don't know if he necessarily wanted him to win that sprint, but he definitely took advantage of it. Yeah. Yeah. But, but I, you know, there was something not right with, with Ayuso today. He was struggling even afterwards, you know,

even afterwards when Primos was gone already, I used to never came back in the picture anymore. He, he pulled a little bit. And then he was struggling in that group actually. Um, so, I mean, it happens, you know, when you don't always, who knows, maybe the fact that yesterday there was a short stage and you know, the, this whole written got, you know, broken because, you know, there was, there was basically no stage and you know, the, this whole written got, you know, broken because you know, there was, there was basically no race yesterday. Uh, it can happen that people react differently when they're in a stage race that, uh, after like a relatively very

easy day, they don't, they, they, they don't have good legs. So, and on top of that, today was a short stage, very aggressive, very intense. Yeah, it happens. But I think it's also, listen, I think it's a good, obviously, it's, it's strange to say, you know, it's, you lose the race, but in, in terms of the development of Ayuso and the learning curve, it's probably not a bad thing that he, he don't, he doesn't win again. Certain mistakes probably have been made and he will learn from this.

He's a great rider. And also let's not forget, you know, he's on a very high level already since over a month. You know, he started in those races in France, won one of them, then wonwelia, uh, Tireno, um, could be that he's like, you know, stagnating a little bit and needs maybe a little bit of recovery and he will, he will need some recovery to be ready for the zero. It's a hard stage as you say, it's short 88 K like how often do you do that? And then, yeah, but the circuit, the circuit, I mean,

anybody who has been a pro cyclist knows the circuit in Montjuic. That's a hard one. I wonder if that circuit, like if this was an Alpine climb, 7% can he hold on versus the circuit? Like if you're on a bad day, you're just doing that over and over. Like even watching it, you're like, they're back to the climb again, you know, it's like over and over. And that can be really, really difficult if you're not on your best day. We should say Enric Moss, third, really good. It looked really good today on and the genius of Primoz's move is even if he doesn't get away solo, you know, it's like the chase years were the Pluse, Venet felt Dorian Godin. No, sorry. The Pluse and Venet felt,

even if he gets caught by them, I used to, I was not with them. So he would have won anyway. He could have gifted them the victory. I, I had two questions for you guys before we go. We saw two solo wins today. At times it looked like you're like pretty much, how was he not getting caught? He's eight seconds in front. Simon Yates is on the front. But if you guys, are groups getting worse at pulling riders back? Like Simon Yates is attacking. You're like, well Simon, what do you think's going to happen? The second you pull off, Juan Ayuso is on the front and Juan Ayuso is dead.

And the gap goes from like eight seconds to 22 seconds right away. Like, Johan, do these riders think they can bridge that gap? You know, a 12 second gap to Primo is not easy to bridge. Like, you just saw them. They came close. They came. I mean, listen, they had no other choice. What did Adam Yates and Marc Soler had to do otherwise? They didn't really have a choice, right?

I mean, what I see is that the differences are small because everybody's constantly on the limit. It's not like a guy takes off and in the the peloton, there's a bunch of fresh legs. They're always on the limit. And so you could see even like there was two laps that they came within 10 seconds of Primoz and normally you say, okay, he's getting caught now. But they got to the top and they didn't have it anymore either. So then Primoz went away again. So I think

that has changed so much because not so long. I mean, I'm going to say 10 years ago, there was a lot of, I mean, nowadays races are from the gun, full gas and everybody's on the limit from the start. Back in the days, it was not the case. You know, there was always fresher legs in the Peloton that could bridge 30, the days, it was not the case. You know, there was always fresher legs in the peloton that could bridge 30, 40 seconds. That doesn't happen anymore. And they're so in tune with their numbers and the efforts that they can do and the way they train it.

I'm probably being like before back in the day, you'd attack full gas and then you'd probably attack too hard and you weren't able to hold the numbers that you thought you could for the next 10 minutes. Nowadays, I'm sure they're watching, okay, I'm going to attack at 800 watts for a minute. And then I know I can hold whatever 400 watts for the next 10, 15 minutes. They know they can do it. They do it in training. They're measuring this stuff. So the, the, the surgeons aren't as great, but the, the overall end effort is faster and it's

harder to actually catch them. I mean, it's easier said than done, but they are training this a lot more these days. For sure. For sure. I agree. You got, you guys went here crazy stat in the last 14 major one day races. So that's like monuments, world championships, Olympics. Do you know how many of those were one solo? Sounds like a lot. It's 13 of them. 13 of them. Which one was it? No, sorry, sorry.

I just forgot about this Van Ramo. So 12, Phillips and the San Ramo last year, Vanderpult, San Ramo this year, the only non two solo ones. Oh wow. That's mind boggling. Yeah. Isn't that mind boggling? And also, do you know the last time Primoz Roglic finished the Tour de France?

When he got second. Yeah, it was 2020. Yeah. Woo. That's a bad run of luck. Last time Primoz Roglic finished the Tour de France. When he got second. Yeah, it was 2020. Yeah, woo. That's a bad run of luck at that race. Yo, and I was thinking, as you were saying,

he can't win it, but you know, Bagaccio's doing Roubaix. We don't know the status of Jonas and his concussion. Like... Oh, well, I mean, if I say he can't win it, I mean, man to man, right? Like everybody on full gas. I mean, if I say he can't win it, I mean, man to man, right? Like everybody on full gas. Um, I mean, there's always circumstances.

You never know. You know, look how, look how, uh, Jonas Wingergaard got second in his first, uh, the first time he got second, uh, he was not the leader. Uh, Primoz crashed out and, uh, and Jonas came to the front. And then finally he started to be the leader of the team. So it always can happen. We don't want anything to happen, but that fortunately things happen inside and cycling and then in the big races, we should also shout out Julia. Hello, Zari. I didn't, frankly, had never heard of this guy. He was IDF last year.

He was really good. He was really good. He's on red bull and he was key for Primoz today. Oh, he's the guy who got second. Okay. He's the guy who got mowed down by Pogacar. Yes. Yes. Okay. On stage 16 at the Giro last year. This is all coming together for me now, but yeah, on him, he's Italian. I think he might be going to the Giro to support Primoz, but what does this mean for the Giro? Cause these are the big contenders. Aiuso and Roglic, I think one of those will win the Giro d'Italia.

I guess even Bernal's doing the Giro too. Bernal is doing it. Adam Yates is doing it. Tiberi. I don't know who else. Michel Landa. So, it's got a wake up feeling. I don't know who else. Um, Mikel Landa. So probably Martinez is doing it, right? Um, I don't know if Martinez is doing it. Um, I mean, listen, I,

if I'm Red Bull, I'm sending my strongest team there. Yeah. Didn't Primo say that he said, I'm only going to focus on races where Pagaccio is not. He did say that in the off season. Yeah. Yeah. So Martinez is doing the Giro. I mean, yeah, he's doing Giro tour cause he's been doing a big block of training and many genes. Oddly. So is Primo's too. Yeah. I mean, I guess, yeah, you're right. They're sending their strongest team to the

Giro. This has got to be big boost for Primo's confidence though, to take on IU. So like that, beat him. And then, I mean, also Bernal, like it's hard, it's always hard to tell like, you know, well, he looks great, but he's a, he's 90 seconds down, but I, I, Let's not forget this is Bernal coming back from a collarbone fracture. True. And he looked like the strongest rider that GC rider that was not

pretty most today on that climb today. Yeah, today. Yeah. But, uh, no, he's, he's, he's on a good level, not, not, not the top level that he has to be to compete with these guys. But, uh, I think he's going to do a good Giro, but no. Two time trials though. Correct. But the Giro, just hard and modern cycling. It's hard to lose time in time trials because you don't make it back. Actually that there's not big gaps unless your name is Jonas Finnego or

Tadej Pagache on the mountains. So it's hard to undo that damage from the time trials. Yeah, for sure. Well guys, do you have anything else to add before we take off? Nope. We'll see you guys next week for Flanders. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to be on the show, George. You're going to be in person, right? In person on the MeloJohnny's with Lance and Sir Bradley Wiggins.

That's right. Yep. In Austin, Texas. And then ride the day before. Saturday from Melojones. Yeah. I think Lance has texted me maybe five times already in the last two weeks. When do you get in again? Uh, I've told him every time three o'clock on Friday, he texted me last night. When are you getting in? I go, bro, I mean, how many times? Oh, surely I'm going to get there and Be like, okay, where do I go now?

I didn't know you were, I didn't know you were staying here. You didn't tell me you're coming in today. Exactly. I'm sure that's going to happen. All right. Well, thanks for joining us, George. All right, guys. From your retreat. Okay. Thanks. Thank you., guys. From your retreat. Okay. Thanks. Thank you.

Bye, guys. Bye, Joe.