THEMOVE - Giro d'Italia Stage 17 Analysis & Stage 18 Preview | THEMOVE+

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down Stage 17 of the Giro d'Italia, where race leader Isaac del Toro responded to yesterday's time loss by attacking to win the stage and add to his GC lead. They discuss a few main takeaways from the stage and what this means for the GC picture going into the final two mountain stages before previewing Stage 18, predicting who will win, how the action will play out, and which riders present the best betting value.

As of today, I would still say that the upwards curve of Carapaz and the, I would say stagnating curve of the Toro, at some point they will cross each other. And I think that Carapaz, it's very likely that he gets the upper hand in the two last big stages. But yeah, the Toro look different today than yesterday so I mean I hope we hope it stays like this until until the last time. Everybody welcome back to the move plus I'm Spencer Martin I'm here with Johan Bernil we are breaking down stage 17 of the Giro d'Italia won by Isaac del Toro

in impressive fashion and then we'll predict stage tomorrow, stage 18. Johan, just to give us a quick primer about what the heck happened during the stage. If you weren't up early in the morning or if you were in Europe doing things in the afternoon, it was a really fast start. Massive dash for the breakaway. At one point del Toro, the Peloton splits, del Toro is in the second group. Doesn't even sit around and wait for his team to pull it back. Just sprints across a pretty large gap. So right, right then I'm thinking, wow, he looks pretty good. That doesn't look like a rider that's, that's cracking. And then before we get to the first climb, a massive,

nearly 40 rider breakaway gets clear. The notable thing about that is outside of having Roman Bardet, who we thought could win the stage. You have a lot of Vismo riders, UAE, a rider from UAE Brandon McNulty and a rider from EF, I think George Steinhauser. And you're thinking, Oh, that's it so it could some satellite riders. We could have moves coming later on. The first major pass of the day is mainly paced by Pulte Visit Malta,

which I didn't see coming, but meant that the gap couldn't get big enough for the breakaway to stay away. So right then it's looking like a GC day, even though we didn't expect it. Pulti was probably pacing. We were going through the forensic files here. They were probably pacing for the rider

that was in 12th overall at the start of the day to try to stay in contention for a top 10. Just funny things like that. You don't really foresee when you're doing the preview. They get to the Motorola which starts around 50 odd something kilometers to go. The easy side but still very steep at the top. Isaac del Toro drifting back going up the climb. EF notices they get to the front. Richard Carapaz attacks near the top gets a gap but not just del Toro was drifting back it was del Toro, Simon Yates, Egan Bernal. Derek G looked the He's got a lot of He gets down into the valley. He has a teammate drop back from the breakaway. So things are looking good, but UAE collects the troops pretty well.

And they pace Del Toro back up to the front. Adam Yates took some big turns there. They get together with around 28k to go. 12k to go. We have a short 3k climb. Egan Bernal dropped. Bardet is attacking up front. And then Izyk del Toro in a move

We didn't see coming 9k to go attacks from the GC group gets over the top of the climb and then we're in del Toro country It's like rolling terrain with the descent Finish into a turn uphill final kilometer Carapaz goes with them. They catch Bardet But del Toro just rips through that final turn so fast that he gets a massive gap, holds off Carapaz who finishes third, Bardet fourth. Simon Yates comes in, I believe 14 seconds down, Dericchi 15 seconds if I'm just doing the quick math in my head, he has a what? Four second time bonus. It's four second time gap on Carapaz plus a six second time differential.

So 10 seconds to his Carapaz lead. Carapaz moves into second overall. He's now 41 seconds back. Yates 51 seconds back. Derrick G 157, Damino Crusoe 306. So we have like a big four here. That's probably competing for the podium. Johan, I assume your big takeaway of the day has to do with Isaac del Toro, the stage winner and race leader. Yeah, of course. Of course. I mean, uh, what a way to respond after his, um, I'm not going to say failure yesterday, but you know, yesterday,

we can see the first time, uh, San Satoro having problems. Um, yeah, this was a nice, nice answer to, to all the doubters and especially for himself, I think for his confidence, he looked, uh, he looked different than yesterday. Um, it was not, you know, it was not the same toughness. The Passo del Tonale was obviously it's a long line, but it was paced fast, as you say, from Poulty. So that's not going to be a tempo that puts the leaders in trouble. On Mortirolo, I think he wrote very smart. He stayed within his rhythm. And yeah, I definitely didn't see the attack coming on, uh, on that last time, uh, but it was a strong attack. Um,

and then if you listen to his interview after the race of the thought, oh, that was the plan. The plan was to not respond on the multi-role. Of course it's easy to say, yeah, that was a plan. If it works out fine. Right. Yeah. If Carapaz like it's a five minute lead going over the top, it's not going to be good. But yeah, I mean, what a way to respond. And I think it puts everything back into question, right? Yesterday after the stage, you were thinking, okay, you know, this is going to keep going on.

Now this pattern, Carapaz is going to keep grinding time and Del Toro will crumble. I'm not so sure anymore after today, although the two mountain stages we have left are completely different, extremely hard. It's nice also to see that we are now 17 stages into the Giro and we don't know who's going to win. I don't know if it has something to do with the fact that now all of a sudden Del Toro is the unique leader of UAE. And that kind of changes something in his mentality. I don't know. We'll see in stage 19 and 20 how that works. We'll see in stage 19 and 20 how that works. Other fact of the day is that Juan Ayuso took the start, but we didn't see anything of him.

So he, I just read an interview actually of his trainer in a Spanish newspaper and apparently the knee injury is a lot worse than we think. That bothers him quite a bit. It's clear that something is off with Ayuso because he was really great in the first part of the Giro. After that crash, we have seen him going up and down in terms of his performances. Now, of course, I saw his interview after the stage also. It's a different man, right? He talks, the energy is gone in his answers, which is normal. You have to accept the defeat. And it's part of his learning process also. He

needs to be able to deal with these kinds of situations. This is a guy who has been a winner since he started cycling, since he was very little. In all the categories he has dominated, makes it to the world tour very young, straight away his third in the Vuelta a España. So it's kind of logical that this is new for him now, new terrain, and that's also part of the growing curve. There's people who say, I know, I also disappoint.

I think we have to take everything into consideration. As I said, the injury, we don't have the real information, but it may never be underestimated. And it has a big effect on the body. You don't recover. It could be infected. We don't know. So, um, let's give him some time. Uh, I also is a big talent. He's going to be back. Yeah. That would be my guess. Not in this zero though. And yeah, that would be incredible that there's some sort of infection like with the energy. I mean, maybe he's just sad, but yeah, it is something that's not quite right.

And but I guess having a stitches on the point of your body that's moving every pedal stroke isn't good, but he does kind of, I haven't gotten infection vibes from, from his even just demeanor. Yeah. Well, I think, I think, you know, the fact that he was, uh, obviously not speaking, uh, with energy, I think has to do with his disappointment also, you know, he's, he said, he said, he kind of knew yesterday that he was on the ropes, but he told his team, uh, before the start of the stage already. Um, but he, you always want to try, you never know how you're going to feel.

So yeah, this is new for him. So we'll see. I think one of the best things he could do would be have at least one mountain stage where he can do something nice work for the team. That would be good for him, would be good for his image. Although we are quick to judge based on what we see in the races. We don't know the guy. I don't know personally who I use.

So I've been hard for him sometimes based on things that I see in the race, but maybe within the team, everything's great, you know, with his teammates. We don't know that. So let's give him some time. But yeah, I mean, listen, Isak del Toro is definitely fighting for his pink jersey. As of today, I would still say that the upwards curve of Carapaz and the, I would say stagnating curve of del Toro, at some point they will cross each other. And I think that Carapaz, it's very likely that he gets the upper hand in the two last big stages. But yeah, del Toro looked different today than yesterday. I mean, I hope it stays like this until, until the last time until, I mean,

until, yeah, until the festival, but definitely on quality finess. I do think we are hurtling towards a GC showdown on that famous climb, incredible climb, scary climb, which is cool. Like it's cool. The way they've done this. I do my take on del Toro and I could be really, really happy about that. I mean, I think it's a really good thing. I think it's a really good thing.

I think it's a really good thing. I think it's a really good thing. I think it's a GC showdown on that famous climb, incredible climb, scary climb, which is cool. Like it's cool. The way they've done this. I do my take on del Toro and I could be wrong, but I think he is an amazing, one of the world's best on terrain, like hilly explosive terrain. I still have questions about his climbing. Like think of the hardest climbs we've seen at this race, the Motorola mid stage where he was falling back, which my wife did think, did say like, is he just really smart? And he's thinking, well,

it's 50 K to the finish. So why would I follow these moves? I'll just sit with Simon Yates. Simon Yates isn't going to get dropped. So maybe, maybe he was doing some big brain moves back there, but I do think, as we saw yesterday today, I don't think he's cracking. I don't think he's falling apart. I think he's just maybe not as good at these uber hard climbs at 21 years old. And some of the world's best climbers are in their prime.

So I think that could become an issue later because this Giro is like, you know, when you're doing a climb and it gets steeper at the top and you think you're at the top, and then it's like, this is never gonna end. That's kind of the Giro to tell you. Because we keep saying, oh, it's gonna get hard, but like, this is never going to end. That's kind of this year to tell you because we keep saying, Oh, it's going to get hard, but like, it just keeps getting harder.

Like stage 19 is really hard. Stage 20 is probably the hardest stage of the race. And then there's a lot of climbing left. So I'm, I'm not convinced that he's going to do this, but this, why I should say, this was like stuff of big champions. You and I were talking off Mike yesterday. And I said, if he comes back and wins tomorrow, that's, that's like big champion Tadej Bogatso type behavior. And he didn't. So, so anything's possible. Having said that, the logical side of my brain thinks like

Kharap has his path to victory is almost clear, cleaner now because we saw he's not so affected by the crash yesterday. I was a little worried about that. 41 seconds down. That's not ideal, but he could probably overcome that with these difficult mountains. Simon Yates, now I have questions about Simon Yates. The off days are back. On the other hand, I mean, okay, it was not an off day. He was a little bit less, but he did crack or anything. He stayed with the other favorites. On the other hand, you could say that Del Toro, in my opinion, now he basically, he has two, he has two rivals to watch. Simon Yates and Carapaz, but basically one, which is Carapaz. He knows that this guy is going to attack Simon Yates. We don't know if he's going to attack. Simon Yates would probably just hang

in there and then see, you know, if one of those two riders, Del Toro or Carapaz has a little problem, then he's able to kind of force it a bit. But I don't foresee a big attack from Simon Yates based on what I've seen in the last few stages. So it's Carapaz really, he needs to follow, right? And if he's straight on the wheel, you know, everybody gets tired also, everybody gets more and more tired. Also the teammates, right? For Carapaz to attack, he needs to have like

at least a two, three kilometer lead out on a climb where everybody's close to the limit. Uh, the question is, are his teammates able to do that every day? It's always been, um, Cepeda who's done it, right? Nobody else. I don't think so. I haven't seen anybody else from EF setting the pace in the, when, when it was uphill. Yeah. I mean, these are good points. I do think by one response to that would be stage 20, the finestros 20 K long and 9.2% average and partially unpaved,

which is really bad if you're not quite as good as the person you're trying to stay with. Like everything just gets blown open. And then the trickiest thing I think is descent, the climb to Sestriere is like three and a half, 4%. So if you are distanced and you're kind of having a bad day, Oh yeah, that's a lot of time on that. Yeah. So if you crack on finesse, you're not coming back, You're not coming back. Worst like, yeah, it's, it's, it's a climb where it's really the power. If you're dead, you're,

you lose minutes there still. But having said all that, let's let the man bask in his glory for a day, because this was, this was incredible. I mean, how often do you see this? Like a leader, especially that young really take a hit the day before and then come back and win. That is something you see from that. It's pure class, pure class. The sports best behind them. I do think the G crowd meet the G fan club. We might be pivoting to podium because he's one 57 down on Del Toro. It's just a lot of real estate to make up on all three of those guys. He is more than a minute to make up on Simon Yates.

And these guys look somewhat evenly matched on these climbs. So the statement from the G fan club today is that we're, we're shooting for podium. We'd be happy with that. You did mention about del Toro, his two, you mentioned it off mic, his two bad days, bad days, worst days of this race are the two days after the rest day. Yeah, that's something we need to take into consideration. We don't know if that's really an indication, but some people struggle with rest days.

You know, after the first rest day, I mean, the first real rest day, because the first rest day was a transfer day when they went from Albania to Italy, but, um, was just before the, um, the time trial. Um, and, and they didn't do a great time trial. I mean, he also had bad weather conditions. Let's not forget that, but still, still, didn't do a great time trial. And yesterday was also the day after, the second rest day. So yeah, I mean, maybe that's something that, I mean, is that those are definitely things

like now, for example, within the UAE team, those are things they're going to look at and that those are things that they're going to use to bring his morale up. Right? They're saying, okay, you know, they're going to look at. And those are things that are going to use to bring his morale up. Right. They're saying, okay, you know, there's no more rest days. You were two days not feeling great after the rest day. Now it's, you know, it's three days to the finish. You know, these little things of trying to find some positive things, but trying to find some hope are important in the way you coach a cyclist and especially young cyclists like Del Toro. But I'm surprised, man, about the maturity of these guys like Del Toro. His interviews, especially like in Spanish, he says all the right things. It's, it's as if they were media trained, you know, I don't think, I don't think he was media trained.

I would doubt it. I don't think the AR like the AR omics team, you know, this like team, I don't think they have a budget for media training. AR, AR, Monics. Yeah. I don't think he was formerly media trained. Yeah. But, but yeah, I mean, um, really good answers.

He's very likable people. I mean, uh, all, even all the, all the South Americans, you know, even the Colombians, uh, you know, of course they're there for Bernal, but, uh, they like Carapaz, but they really like Del Toro. Um, so he's super popular. He looks like a kid too. It was thrown off in his interview. It's like, wow. He's really, cause he looks like a grown, he lives in a grown man on the bike. Yeah. Wow.

These guys are. Oh yeah. And I saw after the stage, I mean, his, his family is there. So, uh, his mom, I've seen his mom a few times, so she looks young. Um, then, uh, today we saw his girlfriend. She looks like a grown man. She looks like a grown man. She looks like a grown man. She looks like a grown man. She looks like mom, I've seen his mom a few times. So she looks young. Then today we saw his girlfriend. She looks really young, like really, really young. I mean,

I don't know if she's 18, 19. So it's like, wow, imagine what's going on in that family, to see their guy there now on the world Uh, it must, I mean, yeah, it must be unbelievable to have that experience. His mom could feasibly be the same age as Garrett Thomas, which is Damiano Caruso. Yeah. Exactly. One of the guys he's competing against. I do love my historical comps. I love to go back and try to figure out what's going to happen based on what's happened in the past.

Also, Spencer, we need to measure first, first stage win in a ground tour for Del Toro. Oh, crazy. Wow. I would have first stage win. Yeah. Huh? Yeah, I guess. And there's only, there's only one, one rider ever, uh,

want to stage in a grand tour, younger than, uh, the total. And it was in 1930. I forgot the name, but in 1930, there was one rider who was younger than Del Toro, who want to stage in a ground tour. Wow. He must be like a younger 21 then Pogacar was, but just not to pour cold water on this, but this was reminding me of something.

And I went back to 2015 Volta España. So you have a young man named Tom Dumoulin winning the race by three seconds. You know, he's getting chipped away by Fabio Aru. Stage 19, he actually increases his lead on Aru and you're thinking this guy's got it. Two stages left, one of them ceremonial. Stage 20, he completely falls apart. Fabio Aru wins the race. So yeah, this is here. This is in my backyard here. I ride in those, on those. Yeah, I was looking at that. Yeah. That map earlier today. And I thought that was right next to your house. Yeah. Yeah. So we, it is hard. I mean, it's a reason really young riders aren't just like winning grand tours all the

time. It's hard to race really well, deep into three weeks. Any thoughts on, speaking of that, any thoughts on Egan Bernal, you think he's paying for, for his efforts earlier? Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think, I mean, today they did the same, you know, there was not an attack, but at some point I saw you nails again, going to the front and, and making a fast temple. And then, um, listen, but now he's in sixth. It's not a bad result. Um, but I personally feel like he is better if he would race whenever the top favorites race

and not try to do attacks from 50, 60, sometimes 80k out. I think he would be in a better place. But of course, listen, it's the first time again he is at this level since his accident and feels that he's part of the race. And I can understand that he's excited and he wants to attack every time he has good legs. But I think, but now if he would race differently, I mean, we'll see there's still two big mountain

stages where he can gain a few spots if, if he's okay. But I think he should be third or fourth in this, in this race, based on the, on his qualities and he's six now. Yeah. I mean, a good stage for him on stage 20. I do think, I like to see people being aggressive. I do think they've maybe pushed the envelope a little too much since this is now when you would want to be aggressive at this point in the stage. And he looks tired.

Um, Julio Pelasari on Red Bull, Primoz Roglic is out. He's getting the best teamwork. They've had all, all, all grand tour, all zero. Like he's got Danny Martinez in the break. Martina is dropping back, pacing them. What is Primoz Roglic thinking? Or is he not even watching this race? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, Danny Martinez is,

obviously he's getting better. We don't know. I mean, we spoke about the fact that they had everybody except, there was one guy who didn't, who hadn't crashed. But everybody, all the Red Bull guys, except one guy had crashed. Uh, and, and Martinez was one of the guys who, who hurt himself. So, um, but I mean, this is, this is the Martinez we want to see. I mean, we haven't seen anything from him. Let's not forget this guy was second in the Giro last year, Spencer. Yeah, I know. You know? Yeah, it's crazy to think about. Yeah.

So I know that Martinez had some problems in the beginning of the season with an illness, intestinal problems and had to stop training for a while. That's also the reason why he came late to Europe. I think his first race over here was the Basque country or grand premier Indurain or something. Yeah. So it's really late. And he hasn't been on a good level in any race until now the last week of the Giro. So yeah, listen, we don't know what happened. He was, you know, being sick and then crashing at the beginning of the, of the,

of a grand tour is obviously not, not good, but, um, but yeah, I mean, we're going to see it on Martinez and breakaways and the, and the two mountain stages for sure. So any other thoughts before we go predict stage 18? Uh, well, my only other thoughts Spencer is, you know, for people who are wondering why a team like Polti, what's it called? Was it called Polti Visit Malta? Because they change sponsors all the time.

Polti Visit Malta. You know, we don't know really, because, you know, initially I would say this is, this is a real, uh, punishment from the team car because they missed a 35 plus rider breakaway, you know, and a team like this always has to be in there. So that's one possibility. Uh, it happens. Is that smart, like at this point in the race, burning a lot of energy. It is, it is, but you know, they also had a lot of visibility. They often attacked to be on camera and they've been talked about quite a bit today. And it could also be that they had Ping Anzoli in 12th position for a team like that, you know, having a possibility to be in the top 10 is obviously a goal. So maybe they wanted to protect that possibility. It didn't work because in the end he lost

two places. He's in 14th. So it's going to be difficult for Pignazzoli to get in the top 10. But that could also be one of the reasons why they were pulling. But it's definitely the reason why the winner of the stage doesn't come from the breakaway. Yeah, it's fascinating that that affected. Also, here's another thing that I heard on the commentary that I wasn't even thinking about.

We talk a lot about points, like in terms of the relegation battle, but you cannot drop out of the top 30 teams. If you want to continue to do grand tours in the future and they're out for the moment, they are hovering at 31 and they like, let's say you get 10th versus 12th in the GC. That could be a difference between like, it could be like a hundred point difference. And that could be what has them racing grand tours next year and not racing grand tours next year. So it also could have just been a points play. I think they're going to have to get their points in other races, these teams, you know? Um, but yeah, it's definitely,

you have to be top 30 to be, to be invited at any grand tour. So that's obviously something, uh, that they're looking at. Um, and then the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Yeah, it's definitely have to be top 30 to be, to be invited at any grand tour. So that's obviously something that they're looking at. Yeah. Other than that for today's stage, Spencer, I think that's it for me. Picnic posts and Elle's probably worried about dropping out of the top 30. You got to be careful. I'm kidding. They're not going to, but let's take a quick break and then we'll predict tomorrow's stage. So tomorrow's stage, stage 18, a little bit of a change up here. 100 short,

144 kilometers. There are three categorized climbs, but they're early in the stage and the last 50 K are downhill to flat. If you're familiar with it, the climbs are around Lake Como, like the shores of Lake Como. So it's quite technical roads, technical descents. You want to be at the front and then it's this flat plane. They finished like outskirts of Milan. So if you've been there, it's just like extremely flat, fast roads. All this stuff, the favorites on Unibed and we'll get your take on who's going to

win. Kaden Grove's the favorite at plus 400 Mads Pedersen plus 400 Olaf Coy plus 400. Wout Van Aert plus 600, Kastra van Uden plus 2,000, Mateusz Wadzec plus 2,000, Ben Turner plus 3,300, Taco van der Hoorn plus 4,000, Christian Scaroni plus 5,000. It goes on and on.

The market clearly thinks bunch sprint. What do you think, Johan? Yeah, I think also, I think bunch sprint, especially because there are teams in the race that they don't have anything else to do anymore. Any other options to have a result than a bunch sprint. I'm thinking especially about Alpecin, the Koenig, Little Freck. I think if it's a sprint, then Pedersen is going to be up there also. He could also be in a break, by the way. Picnic, they want to sprint with Van Hinden if he can make it over those climbs.

So I think bunch sprint. And I'm going to go for Olaf Koi. I think he can make it over those clients, uh, or can come back at least. And, um, I think he's just a tiny bit faster than, than Kaden gross. Although Kaden gross, uh, should be also one of the contenders because he usually gets faster during a ground tour in the last week. Um, but I'm going to go for Olaf Coy at plus 400. Yeah, that's good pick. I mean, he, he can get over these climbs. I think.

I'm going to go Caden Groves just because he tends to win on stages where there's more like a kilojoules load. So this would be a perfect stage for Caden Groves if he's at the finish line in the front group. I'm also thinking stage 18 of the zero is famously, it's famous for a winner where you say, what, how did that happen? So these guys are a little chalk, but I, I do think if it's a sprint, I mean we've seen there, there, those two guys are so much faster than everybody else, except maybe Casper van Newton. It's hard to imagine anyone else winning

in a sprint. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um's hard to imagine anyone else winning in a sprint. From a sprint. Yeah. Yeah. Wild card. I'm going to go for Mattias Vatsek from a break. He was already very strong today. Tomorrow is his last chance to go in a breakaway.

And there's a lot of riders tomorrow that are going to want a breakaway also. So it depends on who's in the breakaway and if they can be real back. If there's three, four riders like Václav Zích, like Askri, like... The breakaway specialists. And they play it smart and they keep something they can accelerate in the last 40 K. That's the secret of a breakaway that makes it on a stage like that. Then I'm going to go for Matthias Vasek plus 2000 to win from a breakaway. Really good price. Really good price. I don't know if you saw it today.

I mean, he's so strong. Maybe he's going to be tired, but there's like a secret points classification that like we're not supposed to know about, but the riders know about. And so Mads Pedersen is sprinting for this like secret classification that I don't really understand, but Vasek was leading them out for it. And, cause he's like one, the points Jersey, like he couldn't lose it. I think if he didn't score another point, he sprints for it. And then Vasek just keeps going. He's like the lead out man,

but he just keeps riding. And it was basically the reason the race blew up because he was just riding everybody off his wheel. And it was still there at the end. Yeah. Yeah. And he can paint it over the motor. Rollo crazy. Yeah. Yeah. He's strong. That's a good pick. Do you know anything about this? I, I don't understand. I don't even pretend to understand. Like it used to be called the inter Giro. Oh, okay. I didn't know about this. Um, so it's a different, it's a different classification. There's no Jersey for it. There's no Jersey. I don't really, it sounds terrible from a branding perspective. It's

like, Oh, how do people know about it? Well, they don't really know about it. The riders are going, I think you get to stand on the podium and in Rome, if you win it. So it's quite competitive and there might be money on the line. Okay. It was the reason I thought you were, I thought you were joking when you said the whole thing. It's like, there's a secret classification. I don't know the name of, I do remember the, let me see. Let me see. I caught the official documents here from the Giro. Let me see what it was. What is, what's it called?

I had to pay extra to get access to this classification. I would go though, while you look that up, another scenario is I do think if it's breakaway, it's hard to imagine anyone other than Vodzek winning because he's so strong. I think there's a scenario, like a hybrid scenario where a group gets over race splits up on the, in the mountains and like a 30 rider, 20 rider group makes it to the finish line and it's a reduced sprint. In that case, you'd think Mads Pedersen or Wout Benhart, I'm going to pick Mads Pedersen because he still looks incredibly strong.

Mads Pedersson at plus 400. Have you found anything about this inter-geros? No, GBM. No, not yet. It's funny that we wouldn't know about it. Well, I've never, I never really paid attention one second. Or maybe it does have a Jersey. No. Okay. So it used to be time-based and now, which is super confusing to have two time-based competitions in the same stage race. Now it's points based.

It started last year. Filippo or foreign leaning won it last year, but now there's another, there's another classification here. It's just TV class of it. Like I'm on TV or something or a break of it. Yeah. And the guy who's leading it, wait, yeah. The guy who's running it is the bond.

Yeah. The guy who's winning it is Dries de Bond. I wish they did like a highest average power for the three weeks classification. And there was like a hundred grand on the line or something. What's unclear to me is how these sprint points differ from the other sprint points. And then there's a fuga classification fuga. That's like the longest breakaway. There's many different classifications in this race. Yeah. I don't see the, I don't see the other one where, uh, Peterson is leading at least not at first.

Yeah. I don't know. I'll, we'll look into this. We'll find out tomorrow. Yeah. The Toto is leading the Red Bull kilometer. That's actually kind of surprising. I guess you got a lot of those. Yeah. Interesting. All right. Anything else, Johan, before we take off?

Um, no, that's it for me. Okay. Well, have a good evening and we will talk tomorrow about stage 18 and then predict stage 19 when things get, the GC gets, uh, heated up again. Okay, Spencer. Thanks. it up again. Okay Spencer thanks, speak soon.