THEMOVE - Has Alpecin-Deceuninck Hacked Cycling? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 20 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 26, 2025

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka “The Professor”) break down Kaden Groves’ stunning solo victory from the breakaway on a tough and rain-soaked Stage 20 of the 2025 Tour de France. They dive into how rare it is for a pure sprinter to win solo, how Alpecin-Deceuninck continues to punch above its weight with smart strategy and timing, and why riders are still risking it all in bunch sprints for minor GC placings. The crew also previews the unusual, modified final stage in Paris and answers a few listener questions to close out the day. Zwift: Zwift just made it easier than ever to get on the virtual roads. All Zwift-ready trainers come with the new Zwift Cog and Click installed, making them ready to ride from the box - no extras needed. Zwift-ready trainers start at just $299, meaning anyone can jump into world-class indoor training without breaking the bank. No excuses. Just ride! https://zwift.com LMNT: Get your free 8-count Sample Pack with any LMNT purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/themove Be sure to try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water. Huckberry: Some of our favorite products found at: https://huckberry.com/themove Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Roka: THEMOVE listeners get 20% off. Just go to https://ROKA.com and enter code THEMOVE at checkout. Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

A lot of people don't realize when you're the best sprinter in the rakeway, nobody's going to work with you. Your chances of actually winning are much lesser because you're the fastest guy. So nobody's actually going to work for you. So Kade Gross said in his interview, he was on an amazing day for him to go solo. His first solo pro win in the last second last stage of the Tour de France. I mean, as epic as it can possibly be and just crazy impressed with his performance today and the team for that matter. I mean, three stage stage wins three different riders We're talking about still 14 teams that have not won a stage It's just it was wild to see him off the front it was actually incredible site very very impressive and I like seeing

performances like that these days when there's just so much dominance from guys like poker char and You know what? It's been to go when they go on the climbs. Like this is racing. This is full gas racing, tactical racing, technical racing. I mean, we saw the crashes, your boy Romero, who you picked out to win a stage before crashed really hard. Hopefully he's okay. But second to last stage of the tour, you don't never want to go into Paris with a injury like that.

Good morning everybody. Welcome back to the Move podcast brought to you each and every day by Keytone IQ. Talking about stage 20, a bit of a surprise here in stage 20. Kaden Groves, we're going to get into all that action. I'm joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins. We're having dinner Monday night. Do you and me have any solo dinners George? I don't think so. Maybe at the house when I was the first week I was here. I can't remember it was a long time ago. Over the Love Island Marathon.

Obviously George Hincapie right here. And the professor. Thanks for having me. Spencer Martin. Days like today. Boy it's good to have the professor. Thanks for having me. Spencer Martin. Days like today, boy, it's good to have the professor, because he just pulls up all kinds of fun facts. It has been great to have the professor. I agree. He's gotten spicy. Time away. Be spicy.

Time away from the misses. Kaden Groves has quietly put together a hell of a career, hasn't he? Right. It's first tour to France stage when, however, he's one stages in all three grand tours. He has won a total of 10 stages in grand tours. That's, that's a heck of a career. That's an Australian hall of fame career for sure. He's a hell of a writer. And wins in a way, when this guy's is a is a sprinter wins in a goes away from a group

of 12 or 13. Obviously lots of crashes, lots of things changed the dynamic of the race. But I could not remember the last time a sprinter won solo Tour de France stage win, but Bradley, our encyclopedia reminded me. Well, I seem to think it was 1996 Jamaluddindin Abdou-Japarov riding for refing, attacked from a group on a hilly stage, mountain stage in the Tour de France. Well, it's a hilly stage, not a mountain stage.

And one solo. You had a teammate in there that year as well in that breakaway, Laurent Madouas. Oh yeah, okay. Who is, Valentin Madouas is very good now as well. Yeah. I've always wanted, I always loved those shows growing up. Where are they now?

You know, I think go back and, you know, like, and if they find them and they follow them and just kind of a catch up, like Mr. T, for example, like where's Mr. T? What is Mr. T doing right now? Anyhow, my point on this is a sprinter like Abdul Shapirov, which was he was a raced with this guy. This guy was, I didn't like racing with this guy. Right. He was terrifying, but like anyhow, where is Abdu right now? This is such, what do you reckon that guy's doing? He might be

in the Taliban. A hatchet. I'm real about that as well. No, no, no. He was, he was, no, no, I'm not kidding. Where was he? Where was he from? Tash Kent. See, he could be a hatchet wielding hitchhiker right now. I watched that last night as well.

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We got one more day I think we're all hedging a little Because normally be like oh, so we'll watch these guys roll around and kiss their families and no rolling around Tomorrow's gonna be a different day today was no exception. There are a few things. It's just sometimes Cycling is just a head scratcher. I think there was this there were obviously a lot of crashes. The rain rolled in. The roads seem super slick. But the thing that we're watching, like these guys are sprinting for 20th place

into the last corner. I think there's really two parts to this. Like, what are we sprinting for 20th for? And there's a crash. Tadej Pogacar barely misses the crash. Lipowitz is right thereowicz is right there. Jonas is right there. Who has this answer? Why are we sprinting for 20th? But who cares? Well, we're sprinting for... it's 13th and 14th technically. Same thing.

Two Astana riders, they picked up 25 UCI points for their effort. And this is like Mike Woods had a blog post in the first week of the tour about ways to make cycling safer. One of his proposals was eliminate promotion relegation because this is exactly what happens. You have a group, insignificant racing, in a racing sense, and you have two guys sprinting.

Could have crashed out the first and second in the GC. But these points, every point matters. Astana hired mathematicians at the start of the year who then went through every rider's power profile and said, You're saying if they did or they did? They did this, yeah. And they're like, send these riders to this race based on the power profiles.

They're trying to get every UCI point they can because they have to be, they cannot fall out of the world tour. Help me understand this. So they are sprinting for whatever place it was. You said it's 25 UCI points? Yeah. Oh, all right.

So for example, how many points does UAE have as a team? Like they're 10 times. No, I know, but I mean, is this like a million or is it like 500? Because if it's 500, you know, it starts to percentage wise, it starts to matter because if it doesn't matter, what are we doing? UA, I mean, this is a bad example. OK, you have 20,000 points, but they have almost twice as many as the next team.

OK, so then what is Decathlon have? Decathlon might have. And what does Astana have? Because they're the ones who were sprinting for 80th place. Well, so Astana has 11,000 points. They're the third best team in the sport, but it's a three year aggregate. So Astana started the year in like below, like you have to be 18th or better to make it in the world tour. They were like 19.

They were on the bubble. They had a deficit of 5,000 points to make up. So they came into this year just like scraping for every point they can get and now they're a third Well third on the year, but in the aggregate three-year ranking You know what I'm not very smart, but that doesn't make any sense however, I Kind of laughed when you said the the the team Borat had hired mathematicians. Clearly, it wasn't a bad idea.

I got to give it to him. Your ex-team. Your ex-team. Thank you. We would be remiss not to talk about today's stage. We're going to talk about the phones points later. It's wearing on. It's wearing on and on.

But let's talk. Thoughts, George? Today, it was like a heavyweight title fight. I don't think I remember ever seeing a second, the penultimate stage of the Tour de France. B1, so dangerous. Two, so chaotic. Five groups on the road at one point.

GC guys trying to slip in the top 10. This best sprinter in the breakaway, a lot of people don't realize when you're the best sprinter in the breakaway, nobody's going to work with you. Your're the best sprinter in the breakaway, nobody's gonna work with you. Your chances of actually winning are much lesser because you're the fastest guy. So nobody's actually gonna work for you. So Kaden Rose said in his interview,

he was on an amazing day for him to go solo, his first solo pro win in the second to last stage of the Tour de France, I mean, as epic as it can possibly be. And just crazy impressed with his performance today. And the team for that matter. I mean, three stage wins, three different riders. We're talking about still 14 teams

that have not won a stage. It's just, it was wild to see him off the front. It was actually an incredible sight. Very, very impressive. And I like seeing performances like that these days when there's just so much dominance from guys like Pogachar and you know what it's going to go when they go on the climbs like this is racing. This is full gas racing tactical racing Technical racing. I mean we saw the crashes your boy Romero who you picked out to win the stage before it crashed really hard

Hopefully he's okay, but second last stage of the tour You know, you never want to go into Paris with a yeah, Romero that. Romero was my wild card for this race. I mean, he was just starting to get it, find his groove, and light the race up, and then Spencer put $1,000 on him. Yeah, and then he crashed. And then he crashed. Five seconds later. He jinxed him. Well, I did bet on Groves as a hedge there, too.

So we recovered the losses. So apparently the roads were sui- I mean, not apparently. There was some sort of something on the roads that made it really slick. These guys, it wasn't their fault they were crashing. The bikes were just going off from underneath them, which is really scary. Imagine the GC, the GC group behind because the directors are seeing the breakaway crash. When you're in a breakaway, you shouldn't be crashing.

They're screaming the radio like this corner is coming up. Everybody slowed down. So in a sense, it's probably safer than them because they know how slick it is. But still, I mean, we saw guys just out of the saddle sliding out. I mean the start of the race was brutally hard George. It was. Like I don't even it's hard to even comprehend how Kaden Groves made that move and you're right like he kind of had to win it solo because no one's going to work with him. Why did Jake Stewart, another sprinter, just let the wheel go and let him ride away? In a breakaway like that you got to take all kinds of risks. I mean perhaps he just didn't want to do that little bit of extra work to save for the sprint in case they all came together

I mean, there's just so many variables that go on in a breakaway people don't understand how actually how difficult it is to win, especially if you're one of the Fastest guys in the race and I believe Jay Stewart just had to play his game and hope that somebody else would have chased him down Yeah, you make that bet right you let him got You let him, you say, let him get a, whatever, 10 seconds. And in the back of your mind, you think, well, surely we'll, we're 10 strong guys here. We'll reel him in. But, but who's going to work with Jay Stewart, I guess would be my pushback on that. Well, this is what you saw. Why else would they make the breakaway? They have to give themselves a fighting chance to win. So Jay Stewart in his mind is going, okay, well,

they're not going to let Kaden go, Grove, the fastest guy in the race, one of the strongest guys in the race, roll away. So I'm gonna take the risk and let them do most of the work. He lost out on the risk, but I understand the play he made today. And what's going on with the team radio, right? You also, there's some accountability there

where the director says, this is not good. You guys, you gotta a don't let him go Because he can ride alone despite having never done it before we didn't have we won't privy to their communications, but But if you're in a three rider move if Enzo's in a three rider move, would you ever radio up to him be like Let this guy go?

I just, I just can't. I don't think you'd say let him go. I think you would say, don't let him go. Yeah. And I mean, you can't really guess how he was feeling at that moment. Like you said, it was such a hard start. I mean, perhaps he was just in a moment of crisis and couldn't go. We don't know if it was a tactical error or just a physical error.

I mean, there's just, like I said, so much going on in these breakways. It's impossible to know how he's feeling. Bradley. Yeah. I mean, it's just, I think at this stage of the tour as well, everyone was so, I mean, it was on, I turned it on at 10 past four this morning to watch and it was just all hang on set 10 past four 10 past four. What am was that Hawaii time? No, no, no. The stage started at 10 past four.

What are you doing it for? The stage started at 10 past four. So I wanted to watch from the start. Oh yeah. So walk us through the start. So they, it was just, it was long like Donkey Kong from the start. And um, uh, what's he called? Casper Asgreen was off the front for a bit.

Ben Sweeney was, not Ben Sweeney, Harry Sweeney, no, the other fellow who had the yellow jersey. Ben Healy, that guy. Ben Healy was trying to get in, they were trying to put two riders in the break and they were chasing each other down and the commentary team couldn't work out why they were doing that. But it was just, they just kept reforming in this washing machine effect. You know, the different groups kept going off the front and then it was raining quite heavily. The big, there was a couple of crashes and it was just, it was continually like that. And you couldn't even keep track of the race.

At one point there was four groups on the road with Van Aert chasing at three minutes. It was just a super tough day from the start. And when the breakaway finally went, it was just like a little crack at the front. And then that was it. I think the breakaway actually rolled away because of the crashes in the Peloton too.

That sort of neutralized them and they go, well, you know what? If we're going to be going full gas here, there's going to be a lot more crashes. So I think they kind of took the safe route and said, OK, I guess we have to let this breakaway go or we could potentially lose the whole Tour de France by crashing. It does terrify the group. Yeah, big time. And just a reminder to folks, like, you know, in that crash that we're talking about in that final corner, if Tadej Pogatryk, this goes all the way to the last lap in Paris, right?

If you crash and break a collarbone and you cannot cross the finish line, well, you don't finish the tour. So it's probably just a shock of a reminder to all the guys in the group, GC guys, guys that have made it, 98% of the way they are going, hang on a second. I'm not hitting the deck and getting a concussion, breaking a collarbone and not making it to Paris after this tour. People just like, all right, let's chill. I always talk about on this show, like, I feel like this table right here has experienced every scenario in the Tour de France.

We've never experienced what's going on tonight. Like usually the last day of the race, 80% of the Peloton is like, okay, we've got a relatively easy day tomorrow. We'll go get McDonald's, get a couple beers. Now that's like, tomorrow's a full on classics race. Small roads, hills. Mason Tresle I wonder if that's going to change the procession tomorrow and the feel of the start. We've never seen it. You'd be so nervous. Jason Vale You know, that first 100K normally, you always felt worse in the first 100K in Paris

because you're riding so slow. And then the speed goes up when you hit the Champs-Elysees or get close to Paris. But tomorrow, I mean, are we going to have all the traditional champagne and- Yeah, is it going to be attacked from kilometer zero? Because guys are going to try to get up the road before the racing starts?

Yeah. Could be. This is really affecting the history of the race, in my opinion. I'm so curious. I mean, is this an experiment or is this, I guess we'll wait and see till tomorrow. I mean, I think it's,

Yeah. Maybe it's a throwback or just a nice little nod to Paris 24. But, hey, I agree with everything said. We are going to take a quick peacock break. We'll be back in two and 32. All right, and we're back. Let's talk about Alpecin. I mean, this team obviously led by Matthew Vanderpool, who's certainly the best classics writer in the sport. But yeah, I would argue he's a top two in terms of marquee names. And he's a star. Team comes into the race, brings Jasper Phillips and crashes out early.

Feels like that was forever ago. We were talking during the race today that feels like he could have certainly contested for the green jersey, probably won the green jersey. But the team has to pivot and come up with another strategy. This is a smaller team budget-wise. They've won three stages without their marquee sprinter. Spencer, you're curious too, how you bring a guy like Kaden Gross, who's a sprinter, to support another great sprinter. But Ned, this is a five-star tour for a guy like Kaden Gross who's a sprinter to support another great sprinter.

But Ned, this is a five-star tour for a team like this. Yeah, and I mean, you said they had to pivot for another strategy since they lost Phillips and Vainable. I actually argue against that. They had no pressure. They had an amazing tour already. And the directors, if I was one of the directors, I'd be like, guys, have fun, try to make the breakaway, enjoy these last couple of stages.

There's absolutely no pressure. And look what happens when a guy, third week in the tour, feels good. I mean, no pressure. It just goes for it and wins an incredibly hard stage. And think like they're superstar leaves with pneumonia. Matthew Vanderpelt. Jasper Phillips, who won the first stage of this race,

is gone. And they're still winning. Like, it's unbelievable. And maybe UNOX has a smaller budget, maybe. But Alpecin is a very mid-table budget team. And they're schooling other teams of this race. And I don't know if that's a fair comparison, because UNOX did win a stage.

And they were always very present during the hardest stages of the race. I also think for being a smaller budget team they had an incredible tour de France. No, I don't think so. I'm just saying maybe UNOX might have a smaller budget. Similar story, not three stage wins, maybe a smaller budget, but came in with tons of heart and fight. I mean, when you're the organizer of the tour and you're, you're selecting, you're down to picking these, whatever you call them, lottery picks or. Just these extra teams. I mean, you want a team like, you know, X is going to come in and animate the race.

It's interesting because had Phillips had not crashed, we would have anticipated him challenging for green, right? If not leading that competition and maybe won a couple more stages as well. And Hayden wouldn't have been in a position to win that stage had he still been in the race. So it's really good how they've kind of recalibrated, reset their goals and someone like him's come up in the third week and won a stage.

Yeah, I actually interviewed for a job at Alpecin. Did you? In the last few years. Didn't get it, obviously. The team or the? The team, yeah. Shampoo company. But just was super impressed.

What was the role there? I don't know. Was it a rider or what? Mechanic? I don't think I can talk about it. Yeah, it was a rare rider mechanic double role. They were trying to save some money. But I was pretty impressed with the level of sophistication

behind the scenes and they really try to avoid like mid-salary writers that don't produce. Like either you're a winner and you're getting paid or you're a random Belgian cross-writer who's super strong and once you get that second contract they let you go and just bring on a new guy who nobody knows and they don't pay you very much, but you produce at a very high level. They also don't, what don't they have? They have no GC riders. It's a very smart move, I think.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, you have a star like Matthew Vanderpool, people rise to that occasion, right? So you can get away with that. I would make the case, and I think I'm right, if you don't have a Vanderpool, these guys don't elevate themselves and go on to be sought out by other teams. People wanna perform for him. Yeah, and let's be real here.

I mean, the guys that are on lower salaries, I mean, this is some of the most gratifying thing to do is to work for a guy like Matthew Vanderpool and Phillipson and win stages, even though they're not making the kind of money they are. They will base their whole career upon those victories and be super proud of being part of that team. They've also slowly replaced QuickStep over the years as the Finding Young Talent, haven't they?

Yeah, they're eating basically the talent pool that QuickStep used to get. It does feel like QuickStep 2.0 in a way. Because Quickstep just doesn't look and feel the same. And that's been helped by Vanderpoel staying loyal to that team for so many years as well. That is the number one reason by a factor of like 10. I mean, that was always the question, right? This kid was coming up, obviously has the DNA

to be a champion. But I think people always thought he would leave and he never stayed loyal to the team, stayed loyal to Canyon. He's got a good thing going. Canyon helped a lot. Canyon was super involved in that. But these two brothers that run it,

Christoph Ruudhoof is the sporting side, like he was the guy in the car talking to Caden Groves. Like this is like one of the most intense people you've ever met. And I would guess Vanderpool's like, this is a winning culture. I'm not going to take a big paycheck to go to, we can fill in the teams that you might go to

and never win again. And just stayed with the winning culture. And I think that goes a long way. And a race like this is contagious. You get into the third week, all these 14 teams. Look, if we could just have a vibe check in the team bus between Alpecin and FDJ, I mean, one of them is a wedding, one of them is a funeral. It just is, right?

And that vibe is there. Kaden Groves felt that vibe today. He's like, I'm going to go out here. Let's give it a whirl. I have nothing to lose. I would almost guess the vibe is probably still more buttoned up in the Alpecin bus. Like, no matter how much success they have, it's still very serious. We would change that.

Talked a little bit about tomorrow's stage. Let's have a look. This is the profile. You'll see it if you're watching the show. You'll see it on this profile. This is very different, right? Short stage, 132 kilometers, five categorized climbs. But the thing is, I think to me there's two things, right? There's this nod to the Olympic circuit climbing up the Montmartre,

but the rain is in the forecast. Like this is, Johan and I went out and rode, previewed the Olympic course last year, and it was not raining. This is a tricky circuit, right? It's narrow. It's cobbled. It's in the middle of one of the biggest cities in the world. Bradley, you brought it up on commercial break. Is this the kind of stage that if it is raining like today on that circuit, my friends,

you may as well be watching Olympic ice skating. It's gonna be terrifying. Or was it 5K from the last summit to the finish line? The 10 minute look. Yeah. The 10 minute look. So, I mean, 6K, you know? All day on hill.

Historically, I know back in our day, we would not have raced till after that green jersey sprint. After 75K. I think, I think the capos of the Peloton will most likely come together and say, guys, come on, we're three weeks in. Let's start the racing with three laps to go. In my opinion, I don't think they do that anymore. I agree.

It's, it can go either way, but I'm just saying back in our day, that's what would have happened. They would not have started racing until 75, well, kilometer 75, maybe go for the bonus sprint if they had to. And then a game on. Race on. In, in, in, you know, in any other year with someone like Geraint Thomas, this is his last tour, you'd let him roll across the line, wouldn't you? Correct.

Yeah. First entry, first passage through. Could, could do. You know, when they do that now. Well, it's, it remains to be seen, doesn't it? Yeah. With the different circuits issue. Let's see what this weather does.

Different circuits and, like you said, 14 teams without a win. So it's depending on what their directors are saying. Like, no, you guys are not parading into the first part of this race. Like, you're getting in the breakaway. We hope that doesn't happen. And for those 14 teams, they are liking this stage.

If it's the traditional run into Paris, Little Trek is going, okay, let's set this up for Jonathan Milan, let him win in Paris in green. I don't think that's gonna be the case here in 2025. There is a chance for these 14 suckers to finally get. I wouldn't run up to Caden Groves. Man, coming into, you remember coming into Paris anytime it rains, How slick it is.

Awful. It's horrible. That's when it's flat on the Champs-Elysées. Now granted, Champs-Elysées gets a lot more traffic than it does up the Montmartre. But this is an urban environment. You rode the course last year. I did. It's super tight and...

It's nasty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the old running, the Rue de Rivoli is in the running to the Place de la Concorde. That used to be the whole width of the road. And now there's bus lanes in there and furniture. So now you've got basically bike lanes. Yeah. Fun fact, Paris is one of the most bike friendly major cities in the world. Mayor there went in and completely, much to the chagrin of the locals, just made it a bike town. It's pretty incredible.

It's really incredible to ride a bike. That's the only time I've ridden one of those. City bikes. Yeah, these city bikes, Lime or whatever. And I always see these people riding these things. Like, what are you doing? Scooters, bike rental. And anyhow, we were there.

My son was in culinary school, so we were visiting. And I was like, dude, this is cool. We were renting the app. Yeah. Riding around. They're electric. It's a great way to see the city. So the second half of this show is Paris by bike.

Go through each. Yeah. By the way, too, while we got you, of course, we did have a stage. I'm in stage today. Also here in a couple hours, we have the first stage of the Tour de France Femme of Ex-Swift. I'll be joined by Mari Holden. Hopefully it's not raining for their start of the tour.

Brittany, I mean. Probably is. Probably is. I have a double day today and tomorrow. I'm gonna kick these guys out of here. Unless, unless of course. Double day means translation Lance can be even more crankier than he's been all through the past.

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Gee, because you have, you've modified your rocas with the transition lenses. If that hat, I don't know how I thought of that. If that hat doesn't show up tomorrow for the final stage. All right. Bradley, let me ask you a question. Who else could sit in that seat? Are you thinking of anybody else for 2026? Ouch. He's talked about the

hat. This is people want the hat. People are expecting hat. It's the sexiest man. A lot of pressure. And the hat, I'm telling you, if it doesn't come tomorrow, we are gonna put Bobby Julik in that seat. Bobby would be great. I'm not gonna if it doesn't come tomorrow, okay, we are gonna put Bobby Julik in that seat Bobby would be great. I'm not gonna hate on Bob. I'd be busy though and he would agree with us more Robbie venture Bobby's gonna be the well, let's have fun with this. Who else could we put there? um Well, I mean Mark Cavendish So sensitive look at he's see. He's so sensitive. Look at him.

He's getting sad. He's so sad. No, no. I would be sad to miss you guys, that's for sure. I got a question on email that I am not even going to venture to read. It was just insane. It was nice, kind of.

I already deleted it. So you're going to read it? No, I deleted it. It was so weird. I read it to you all while we were watching the race. I don't know So you're gonna read it or? No, I deleted it. I read it to y'all while we were watching the race. I don't know where we're going with this one. He was, I was like, bro. I think he was a hater turned follower. But a lot of big words.

Yeah, yeah. If I tried to read that on here, I mean, we'd be, nobody would ever listen again. Like this kid can't even read. However, we probably have other questions. What should we do, Vinton? Let me ask you a question, Professor. Yeah. You know, because these other shows, whether it's a radio show or Howard Stern, other shows, podcasts, stuff like this, right? People call in. How come we can't have people, can we have people

call in? Colton, can we have people call in in live I don't know if that's a nice it's not a question for you Colton can we have people Dave can we have people call in live I think all right folks somebody call in right now no with your question no no no we're not here's George's phone number what's that Eric you guys would get the weirdest actually could call FaceTime George everybody ready write this down no man eight six what is it yep those close questions but I do one and I would love it if people don't you think it'd be cool people called in people could send voice notes in yeah no I want them to call her and that's

better when they call who cares this is the move we don't care a lot we have made it this far. 2026 people are calling in. All you would get is questions about the Contrago visits. That's literally all people would be asking you about. All right. Should we do Ventum Trivia? Oh shoot. Yeah. Cause yesterday's question was kind of,

all right. I think we need to give a Kaden a boomstick. Yeah. But I think so. That was incredibly to give a cadence a boomstick. Yeah Incredibly impressive needs a boomstick Caden grows boomstick boomstick King grows 10 grand tour victories that that's impressive more than Julian Alfie and Remco having to pull something impressive that frames it Yesterday's question the final kilometers of the difficult Lapland. Yeah there was another historic Alpine sporting

venue, right? The answer to that was the one and a half kilometer La Plana Olympic bobsleigh track. Now that's a sport. Yeah. I wouldn't want to do the one where you go by yourself face down. do the one where you go by yourself face down. Face first, like on your belt. I'm out on that. But like the thing where you jump in the little rocket and the guy, you push it and the guy, I would 100% sit in the back of that. Like you get one of those East German dudes

just ripping that. I would 100% do that. I don't know if that's what they passed. What's bobsleigh? That's not the thing on your face. Skeleton. Ske if that's what they passed. What's bobsleigh? That's not the thing on your face. Skeleton. Skeleton. What a name for a sport. Hey son, you should try this sport. All right. Stage 20 question. Marking its 50th anniversary since it first appeared as the final stage of the Tour de France, the Champs-Elysees is arguably the

most iconic stage of the Tour. With four wins over his storied career. Sir Mark Cavendish currently holds the record for wins here. In what years did he win? Send your answers to VentumRaising.com slash The Move. Get you five grand registered. Everybody's like, yeah, that registers you to win five grand. All right. Mark Cavendish has four, um, wins in Paris.

What four years were those? Not easy to don't do it, but that's not easy to do off the top of your head. That's, that's a tricky little question. I bet you could do a say nothing. All right. By the way, saying that was a great, did you watch it? You started the, the that was a great, did you watch it? Did you start it? The Say Nothing series on Hulu about the IRA and the history of it? Best show of the year. I had seen it before.

I had a George watch. It's dark, it's real. It's what makes you think. Yeah. Have I caught you all up on my crush on Bob Geldof? So I watched the second part of this Live Aid thing. This Bob Geldof, what a guy. Incredible.

And then, because I love documentaries, we're gonna get to the questions in a second. I started the Billy Joel documentary. I love music. That is an incredible, you talk about a complicated guy. Boy. I watched the first half of the Arnold documentary. Amazing.

That's unbelievable. The Arnold Schwarzenegger documentary, unbelievable. Yep, yep. Now he's, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know what he is? He's very smart. He's incredibly smart. This guy's lived 100 lives.

But Billy Joel, check it, Bob Geldof. Maybe Bob Geldof will call in in 2026. Maybe he's in the third chair. I tried to drop that. I mean, the man was crying. George was jumping on it. He started crying almost as much as some of these guys in the tour cry these days.

I'm a big fan of that, Bradley. Well, it's the emotion of winning a stage in the tour, isn't it? Yep, I agree. I agree, man. Winning a solo like that today, Sprinter, I can understand the emotion. I think it speaks to how F'd everybody is.

Yeah. They're just emotional. You had another theory, didn't you? OK, question. Not only that, but the risk they took throughout today's stage. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you've just been on the limits in stage one,

like physically and emotionally. All right. This is kind of a negative question, but I do want to hear you guys' answer. It's a kicker. So it's from Thomas Tomas, Benjamin Toma maybe. Does Jonas Vintergaard lack the racing toughness to compete against Tadej? Well, just to, he has beat him twice. He only rides a handful of selected races where Pagachar is at the start all year round and never shies away from a fight. Racing and training are not

the same, not even for the best racers in the world. I'd love to hear your opinion on this. Yeah, I mean, do you know what with Jonas? I think now he's come to a point, he's won two tours, you know, whether he wins another one or not, he's come up against the greatest rider of all time. I'd like to see him go for things like Liège-Bastogne-Liège. Me too. Because there's so many other races on the world road title on the right course he could win. He could win this year.

And other grand tours, I mean the Giro, World Tour. Yeah, I think they might have to rewrite their playbook. But that said, if you go back to this year's Tour de France, I mean, Jonas had two bad days, and that's where he lost the majority of those four minutes. Other than that, aside from the sprints at the end, he was right there with Poguchar in Super Equals. I think they're going to go back to the drawing board, look at those performances and say, maybe he does more racing next year to get that little extra pop for the finishes.

But yeah, they got to change it up somehow. With Jonas as well, the last two years he's had accidents early in the season which have hampered his preparation, which Tadej hasn't had also. Yeah. You know, so these things swing around about. The rest two years ago that he was able to come back. But George, you're right about the time losses in those two days, but let's not forget, and we don't know, we're not privy to the training data and what is the power he's producing. But by all accounts, this kid's in zone two, zone three,

went on the tour to France. Yeah, he might be on equal time. Go push him. Right, think the times are good now? Give him a little push. I mean, this is, and I'm with you, Bradley. I mean, you look too bad, right? You came across the goat, right?

And there's nothing that anybody can do. But also, I think if you put them on zero time with a week to go, Tade is a mean animal. Yeah. And I still think he beats him. Absolutely. Yeah. I think they just have to retool. You have to like, adjust to Tade existing. Maybe let's do the Giro or the Vulta. Well, that's adjusting by avoiding. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. Like, that's adjusting by avoiding.

There's nothing wrong with that. Just avoid this guy. He's too good. Well, that's a shame. And that's not no major professional sport wants that to be one of the commentaries. Well, I wouldn't say avoid him. I would say do the same races him early season. Turn up aibas to our put to a flunders well race owners can't

prepare a bit yeah the best on the edge why not the Ardennes I think that control it is the Ardennes yeah and be successful there for sure you look what the best are doing and you you copy them our dens tour trying to better I would like to see him target that. But Bradley mentioned this yesterday. Let's just say Tade is like a barista in Ljubljana. Never races a bike. Jonas is on his fifth tour win. Going for seven probably, eventually.

You do kind of forget, Tade is like eclipsing everything, but you forget how good Jonas is. I know. So that's another kind of negative question. But, what is going on? What is going on? What is the negativity? This is something that I get a lot of feedback.

Is someone with- You're pulling out the negative questions. The other ones are all just about how George met his wife. With, while and Jonas- Can you talk about that or is that not legal? I can talk about it. What do you mean, why would it not be legal? Question please.

Yeah. With, and Jonas now balancing. Let me tell you a cute story. So George slips his wife Mel a note at the tour. Which is not allowed, right? It's not allowed, right? But that's neither here. There was a lot of stuff in that day.

Cause she was a podium. That was also not allowed. However, the man kept the note, or she kept, it's framed in the house, isn't it? It is framed, yeah. I mean, come on people, a husband's wife's, who has the note? Risking his career to pass a note. No, not his career, her career. Well, she actually kind of blew me off and didn't want to give me her number, but her driver was a fan of the team and he gave me the number. So the note is my note, her response, her denial response, and then in different color pen was the phone number that he wrote.

So kind of funny story. Wow. Yep. Shout out to the driver. Yeah, that's right. Jean-Luc. Geez, I didn't know that. That's interesting. John Luke. Geez, I didn't know that. That's interesting. And this is coming. I do have children and they have drained my life force. So just want to frame the question with that.

With Wout and Jonas now balancing family life while Matthew and Tade remain more singularly focused on racing, I don't believe Matthew and Tade have children, just for the record. Could this influence performance or longevity? And if Wout and Jonas continue their current streak and avoiding injury and crashes, could we see them make a comeback in 2026? Or are their kids basically ruining their careers? How are you pulling this?

We're not even gonna answer that. Does it affect you as a pro when you have kids? I think when you have small kids, it actually reinvigorates your motivation in lots of ways. Perhaps maybe your risk tolerance comes down a bit. You think about others as opposed to just yourself. Those are a lot of different factors. Your sense of responsibility goes up.

For field sprinters, I mean, for these true sprinters that are risking their lives many days, for sure. You start getting a couple kids and you know what it's feel like to get home from a race and pick them up, play around, jump on the trampoline, wrestle, whatever. Yeah. You start going into a field sprint and saying, I'm not going to hit my brakes. Well, you start hitting them a little earlier.

But how many wins did Cav have? He had kids really early in his career. He is an anomaly. Yeah. He's a freak of nature. Yeah. No disrespect to Cav's kids, but he didn't care. He was a winner.

I also think people like, Wout Van Aert probably is not waking up in the middle of the night feeding the kids. Like these people, their job is to be rested, and they have more money than a normal person. They probably can hire help and things like that. OK, is that it? That's it. We got to do better.

This is why we need people calling in. Let's get some positive questions. I can't imagine. We can have somebody screening the call. Dear ma'am, what do you want to ask about? What do you want to ask about? We need better questions than all breastfeeding these children.

That'd be a good question. That needs an answer. Come on. Anyways, we will be back tomorrow for... Last stage. It is the last stage. It's not your typical last stage, shaping up to be interesting. I'm curious.

We'll, we're there. We made it through the tour anyway. We made it through the tour. Well, not yet. We shouldn't. We're nearly there. Yeah. Cool.

Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you tomorrow.