THEMOVE - Has Tadej Pogačar's Crash Blown This Race Open? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 11 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka The Professor) break down Jonas Abrahamsen’s incredible ride to win Stage 11 of the 2025 Tour de France after forming and driving the day���s early breakaway, and outfoxing Mauro Schmid while holding off a furious chase from Mathieu van der Poel in the race’s final kilometers. They also discuss Visma’s continued efforts to make the race hard, including a late attack from Jonas Vingegaard, and Tadej Pogačar’s late crash, which sparked debate about whether the GC contenders should have sat up and waited—and if the incident gives Pogačar’s rivals a glimmer of hope as the race enters its first key high mountain stages tomorrow in the Pyrenees. Before they take off, they welcome Diaa Nour from Ventum Bikes to review the latest innovations at the brand. Roka: THEMOVE listeners get 20% off. Just go to https://ROKA.com and enter code THEMOVE at checkout.   LMNT: Get your free 8-count Sample Pack with any LMNT purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/themove Be sure to try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water.   Join: No race? No problem. JOIN keeps you riding stronger, just for the love of it. Discover your path at https://join.cc/themove Download JOIN today and transform the way you train.   Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove   Timeline: If you care about performance, recovery, or just want to stay strong as you age — check out Mitopure. Go to https://timeline.com/THEMOVE and you’ll get 20% off.   Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

My boy Primoz Roglic has not crashed. I brought this up. Has not crashed. It's still in the fight. He's only three and a half minutes behind. I saw him today on that steep climb. He was doing like 120 RPM just chilling on the wheels. And it just reminded me, we haven't even mentioned Primoz.

The guys won five grand tours. OK, he's on the older side in today's day and age of cycling. 35 years. But I mean, when this guy's on form, watch out. And he almost won the tour a couple of years ago. What? Three, four years ago. I don't know.

I'm liking his position right now. I'm liking how quiet Red Bull is. Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the move podcast. Talking about stage 11, Alain, what did we do? Stage 11 from Toulouse to Toulouse. I have to say, ASOs have been pleasantly surprised by the route so far. They haven't done a great job design. I mean, for Alain, these have not been that titillating for me personally.

As is the case each and every day, today's show presented by Keytone IQ, incredible win. Jonas Abrahamson has only won one professional bike race before. I believe Spencer, it was the Brussels cycling circus or something. I mean, it was not, you know, incredible, incredible victory, not just for him, but for a lottery team to a young Scandinavian team to get in the race led by our old friend Tor Huschel. Unbelievable.

I mean, you're talking about teams coming into the tour, roadmap in this thing. Like if we can do this, it is a massive success that for that team. Pretty incredible. Yeah. I mean, last year Spencer pointed out, he was in breakaway six times, I believe lots of solo attacks. I mean, this guy is a freaking tank. We used to call Tony Martin, my team, ACC, the Panzerwagen tank. This is the new Panzerwagen over here. And he was second on stage two. If you remember,

he missed out to Kevin Bucklon. I kind of felt bad for him, so it's nice to see him. Last year, yeah. That was a tough stage too. I think today has to be one of the most, I think the most exciting stage of the Tour de France so far. Well, I think it's, in years past,

we've spent a lot of time talking about the complexity around rest days, what riders do on that rest day, whether they choose to ride less or more, and how they come out of it. I mean, this was, I got up this morning to turn on the television, I was like, this for me personally, that would be my worst nightmare, an aggressive stage. By the way, Abrahamson, the first rider to attack on today's stage.

Unbelievable. Yeah, first rider. First rider to attack, gets in the group, stays away. By the way, they don't stay away by much. You were touching on this too, Spencer. I think they got up to 150, you said? I think 130. 130.

Because it was fast behind. If you watched the beginning, it almost was an optical illusion like it was all out attacking behind jonathan milan wanted to be in the breakaway And they're just staying away schmid and oper Hansen like it was unbelievable I would love to know personally like the rest day protocols. I feel like back in our day We were all kind of on our own. You'd like to go hard To your certain stuff just to keep the body awake. I would go super easy Uh felt like crap the next day hard to your certain stuff just to keep the body awake. I would go super easy. I felt like crap the next day. But now that everything is so planned out nutrition wise, training

wise, I'm sure it's a lot more dialed in and you don't have the choices. Like you're doing this, this and that and you're eating this, this and that on the rest day. I would love to know exactly some of the protocols from these guys. One thing I saw yesterday was Tade decided not to have a press conference. He gave his comments. He had no obligation to have it. I always thought there was an obligation. I thought so too.

If he's not in a Jersey. Oh, good point, yeah. If you're not in a Jersey, I don't think there's any obligation to, and I don't blame him. Yeah, no, I don't blame him either. No, that's just another thing that whether, I mean, it's just that your heart rate goes up for those.

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JOIN is your number one cycling training app. You can now test JOIN 30 days for free. Download JOIN today and improve your ride note to self. I have a question about today's stage because yes, Jonas Abrahamson, you can call him the new Tony Martin, the Panzerwagen, whatever you want to call him. This is the second time in this tour where a drag race ensued with two groups and the second group had arguably, as I said in the pre-show, if you're watching MotoGP, the second group had the 500s, the front group had the 250s, and the 500s couldn't catch

the 250s. Behind you had Matthew Vanderpool, Wout Van Aert, Quinn Simmons. I don't understand how, I'm watching this going. Well, I sure I can understand. OK. OK, usually the the chasers have the advantage, right? They're 20 to 40 seconds the whole time. But in this case, when you have a guy like Matthew Vanderpool, Wild Van Aert, Quinn Simmons, who is the fourth guy?

Fourth, fifth, that's four or five guys. Anyway. They all know shit., I gotta race against Wild Van Aert, Matthew Van Pult, so what does that mean? That means they're pulling about 15, 20% less than they would if they had nothing to lose. They're at the front of the break, a guy like Abrahamsen, Schmidt, I mean, they're going, they're not saving anything.

They're going 100% pulls. In the back, they're thinking, if we catch these guys, I still gotta race Van Der Poel and Wild Van Aert, so I'm gonna tone it down a little bit. I think that's why they couldn't catch him. Well, the guy, George, was Axel Laurence, who was probably part of the problem, because he's fast.

So I think you're probably right that there was hesitation behind, because if you go all out, you're gonna get. Absolutely, I mean, those guys. But you had this nasty climb, 8K before the the finish they were gonna get rid of him it was nasty yeah case in point the moment Van de Poel was by himself he closed 20 seconds on his own because he was able to go full gas on his own TT style we're in the back he's kind of maybe not going full gas he's got wow to deal with

Quinn Simmons obviously is on an incredible form shout out to our national champion once again in the hardest breakaway of the race. This kid is the gift that keeps on giving. Bradley, how do they not catch them? Well, as George said, there is an element of that. But I think the thing people don't realize is, well, when you've got a front group in the tour,

you have the lead car in front, you've got the TV motorcycle, you've got various other motorcycles coming past, and then nothing. They keep all the vehicles and motorcycles out of the gap in between the front group and the chase group. And you do get an effect, you do get a drag in a long effect from that. Not enough to make a huge difference, but it is psychological more than anything when you can just see clear road ahead of you when you're chasing and you can't

see the back of the group in your outer side, out of mind and all that. But I mean, as George said, there is an element of that as well. If you're not pulling 100% everyone in that group with a view of catching that front group, then you're not gonna get a group like that back. Mm-mm. But how hard is this Tour de France? I mean, we keep mentioning.

Yeah. They hit a one kilometer climb and there's 20 guys left in the GC group on a relatively flat stage Okay, it wasn't super flat, but we've never seen this before Yeah that group a year or two years five years would have been 60 70 80 guys Now it's 20 25 guys. We saw that in the first four or five days. Yeah, this is gonna stack up I mean tomorrow's our first big true mountain stage. This is, there's going to be some shrapnel on the road.

I mean it's like another 30 mile an hour stage. Like it's unbelievable how fast they're going all day. It was just at the end it ticked below 31 miles an hour average. Before you mentioned that what about the crit riders maybe being able to ride that fast. Avoid Spencer's joining the Haterati club. He's getting some hate now because of his crit comments. Well, speaking of hate, I don't, and we're gonna, I have a two,

a two-parter here on hate. The second part I'm gonna say to the end of the show and I'll just tease it out. I'm gonna get a lot of comments on my quaff. So I just wanna, I wanna touch on that and read some of your comments But every day we walk in here into the studio and personally I'm Fine with a hoodie on I mean we're down in the basement. It feels nice and chill in here to me every single day

George Is anybody else hot It's hot in here. It is hot in here. How are you guys wearing those hoodies? We all get... Do I really, do I speak like that? No, Bradley can do some interview, some great imitations, you not so much.

And I don't wanna hear Bradley, he might be right on. Anyhow, and we all get sometimes really weird gifts from people we love. A lot. Right? And I can't even remember. It might have been my birthday. It might even have been Father's Day.

But I got a present from my mother-in-law, Sharon. And I love her to the end of the earth. But on this one, a bit of a head scratcher, I was like, huh, that's kind of a weird gift. And I never used it, but I found a home for it. This here, I have no idea what this, I mean, at first when it came out of the box, I was like, what is this? Hold on.

So you put this thing on, it's a net cooler. So we call her Gaga. And so Gaga this... Can you hear it? Yeah, I can hear it. We can hear it. Here, you want to borrow it, George? Yeah.

Put it up like that. It'll cool you. So anytime you start whining in here about the temperature. Oh, wow. That's beautiful. So Gaga, that gift. It came in handy. I feel so much better. George, thanks you. So Gaga, that gift, it came in handy. George thanks you.

Thank you, Gaga. Do I have to take it off for the sound? Yes. Yeah, you can kind of hear it. All right, I'll put it on pre-show. It's like the guys in the race put the ice, the ziplocs of ice on their neck. That was to have some of those prepared for George, so he can just get ready for the show.

A couple of other interesting things stood out in today's stage. Pogacar hit the deck. This was an interesting moment in the race. It was right near the finish, four kilometers from the finish. So outside of that grace period there where he would get same time, just crossed a wheel with, ironically, with team Uno X. I mean, here's the team, great day, bad day. In a way, you could have taken out the biggest favorite in the race. Got up, had a little trouble getting the chain back on, had some neutral support there. They

were struggling with it. And we thought, oh boy, what now? What happens? What do these guys in the front do? Do they keep riding and put 20 seconds into him? Or do they sit up? Yeah. And they sat up. They sat up.

I think it would have been a bad look for those guys to take advantage of that situation. I don't know. I agree with them sitting up. Yeah. They would have waited for you for sure. And you as well. Yeah. I mean, it's not like they were going for the stage win or anything. In a bit of

a different situation, had there not been the breakaway and they were going for the stage win. But you know, how much would they have taken off in 20 seconds? I think they've done the right thing. I think it's the best thing, the most respectable thing to do. Yeah. And had they ridden and taken the 20 seconds they all know and we all know what Tadej Pogacar would have been thinking tonight on the eve of the first true mountain day he would have said okay. Say hello to my little friend. Yeah you can have a little we'll give you some. That said I mean he hit the deck

pretty damn hard. That's always the question. He hit his hip and then his shoulder, got up right away, but that's the adrenaline. At the finish line, he's I'm okay, I'm okay, but you don't know what you're gonna feel like tonight, or more importantly, what he feels like tomorrow morning. First real mountain stage. There's gonna be a lot of questions people are gonna have overnight about this crash.

I mean, just to play devil's advocate, like was it a mistake not to work?, if you could take 30 seconds from him, are you going to regret that? So who's going to look at the group dynamics? You have the EF guys who they're racing to keep the yellow jersey for another day. Why would they go up there and do that? That would be a horrible look.

You have Visma, Lisa Bike. What are they going to do? They only had Matteo Jorgensen up there and Jonas. And Simon. They're gonna put those two guys up there, guys that are Matteo top three, top five contender to Tour de France, Simon, Giro, I mean, to just, you know, a maximum,

just to get an advantage from a crash, I think that's a bad look, and I think it's an honorable thing they did to wait for them. Yeah, put it, if you spin it around as well, had it been Jonas that crashed and we were asking the same question as to whether Tadej should have benefited in 20 seconds or wait, we know what Tadej would have done. Of course. So, you know, I think if that's on that basis, then I think they did the right thing to not

go. I mean, I agree it would have looked terrible. You were just throwing it out there. Yeah. Okay. So we're going to mention what we talked about earlier. Yeah, I mean, so we should mention, like, Jonas wouldn't make any sense for him to work. Didn't seem to mind being on the front with 66K to go,

breaking up the group. I don't understand that at all. There's a weird obsession going on with Visma. Has it in their head that they have to make this race as hard as possible at the expense of their own team? But they're not, are they? They're just sort of like TV attacks. Yeah. You saw Jonas on the final climb. Explain the TV attack. Where was-

TV attack. I mean, it's like it's an all in effort for 20 meters and then look over your shoulder and sit up. You know, and there's no sort of full commitment with a game plan in mind to actually attack. at the right point we saw he attacked 50 meters from the summit of the climb. When he initially attacked we didn't see that. We got kind of excited he's attacking but we're like, 50 meters from the summit? What's going on? Why would you do that?

And he came from a long way back when he did that attack. He did it all right, all set up perfect, got Tade caught him by surprise, but then set up. But George, is there someone in this field who there's no attention on, could benefit from this? Yeah. So somebody we haven't even talked about in the last 10 days, essentially. My boy, Primoz Roglic has not crashed. I brought this up.

Has not crashed. It's still in the fight. He's only three and a half minutes behind. I saw him today on that steep climb. He was doing like 120 RPM, just chilling on the wheels. And it just reminded me, we haven't even mentioned Primos. The guys won five grand tours. Okay, he's on the older side in today's day and age of cycling.

But, I mean, when this guy's on form, watch out. And he almost won the tour a couple years ago. What, three, four years ago? I don't know. I'm liking his position right now. I'm liking how quiet Red Bull is. Let's see, I think we might start seeing more action. But that would require something pretty extreme.

Yeah. He's not gonna win this tour. So does the Tour de France. It would be like, Tad is hurt or sick. I'm getting emails that he has a cold. I don't know. Cold, crash. I mean, dude, those two things right there,

the Tour de France, you gotta be at the top of your game. Or a kamikaze attack that he pulls off. Yeah. And there's two of them in the top ten. There's two of them. Laurie Lippowich as well. That they give him some grace, let him go up the road. I mean, later in the show, we'll look at tomorrow's stage. Now, tomorrow is the first true mountain stage. It's the first of quite a few, so probably not tomorrow, but there's some, we'll look at the profiles of the Salur and the Hothakam. I mean, these are very hard stages,

but there'll be other days where, at three and a half minutes, you know, they give you a minute, right? Yeah. We all know too, I mean, he does have a propensity to hit the deck, but he can also go downhill really fast. That is important if they give you that period of grace to go away.

Trey Lockerbie had a good, I mean, obviously he didn't want to crash in the zero, but got a solid, you know, what, 10 days in the zero. So great foundation in terms of training, was able to recover quickly, do some real specific training for the Tour de France. My guess specific for the last half of the Tour de France, which we are now entering. So I've got fingers crossed for Primoz Roglic here. Good, well, by the way, later in the show for our audio listeners and folks on YouTube, we're gonna have Dia Noor, the founder and CEO of Ventum Bikes.

Gonna be on here and talk about, they have a new time trial bike, he's gonna hopefully talk a little bit about. And then of course, later in the show, part two of the Haderati Parade, with regards to my quaff, we'll be back in two and thirty-two. Alright everybody, we are back. Obviously Ben Healy,

huge fan of Ben Healy. Ben Healy is still in the yellow jersey, we'll see that that is probably set to change Tomorrow having said that I don't know this kid. It's this kid. It's just He's tough. He's tough. I but I And I've just kind of pick up on what I hear about on TV or some random articles and it just out of my own curiosity I guess you Bradley is is he, he's racing under the Irish flag. And so the Irish are psyched. But started his career, I don't know, I think he was born

in Great Britain and started racing, originally raced under the British flag. What happened? I mean, it sounds like there was some... Yeah, I mean, he was racing for the, his parents, grandparents, all Irish, and was racing for the Olympic Development Academy program, which is sort of at youth level. So that's with a view that you were, you know, going to be at the Olympics for eight years from that moment. So he was on there riding for mountain biking actually on the mountain bike program. Um, and then got dropped from that program as a junior, um, and didn't hear from great Britain ever again. Um, so switched his allegiance to Island and, um, rode the tour de l'avenir and things like that and started getting results and

look at the rider he's now. So, and I think part of the reason for that is, is in the UK, if you're not riding on the track or any, you know, showing any sort of ability on the track, that's where the whole funding is based for Great Britain. So if national lottery is the funds British sport and if, and that's where they, you know, how many medals you're aiming for the next Olympics is dependent on how much money you get as a sport in the UK. So the track program is where it's at really. And then from the track program,

that's why we have a lot of riders that have come from the track program. But Ben obviously didn't shine on the track. So he wasn't in their plans really, which is why he switched to Legions. Well, best thing he ever did. As they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Or is working out great for the Irish?

Yeah, I think GB could probably use that trash now. They're probably not regretting that. I mean, there's quite a few riders that have done that. You know, it's, um, yeah, it's a shame. George, did you ever consider racing for Columbia? No. Okay. No, no, no.

Not for any particular reason, but, you know, I reason, but I didn't know. Okay, no, that was just kind of. Especially since they never really had like a, that had a great development program at all. And especially part two, because you were always America's golden boy. You really was, from day one, this kid rolled up. Could be, could be.

I was like, no. I said, we'll see about that. Looking like George Clooney. Listen, let me just check. And I am getting a lot of grief about the hair. There are a few positive and nice comments. And at this point in my life, guys and gals, I love, I need, that support.

That thing is getting more and more aggressively mohawked out. I don't know what's going on. But there's been a lot of inbound and not just on social media. I'm going to start with a DM. This lady slid into my DMs hating on my hair. And then an email. Somebody figured out my email and sent me a very sweet personal note. First message here, and this lady is, her name is Sherry. She says, what did you do to your hair?

Your hair right now looks like shit. I'm a fan and giving you good advice. The alfalfa sprout on your head must go. Again, I mean, this is sort of sugar and salt Again, I'm a supporter. I'm just saying She goes on to say by the way the section on prize money was brilliant and she dubs herself herself Debbie realistic Tough that was just a warm-up for what I got on my email, right? This is just this this one hit hard

and I had to look this up. You offended a lot of our bald friends too with your comment. A lot of them are wondering, was he talking about me? Well if you're bald, I was talking about you. Okay. All right, so there's another email here. Lance, your new hairdo is reminiscent

of the Saturday Night Live character, Ed Grimley. And I believe, and I was like, who is, who is Ed Grimley? I had to look it up. This is Martin Short. This is a Martin Short character on Saturday Night Live. This guy, Ed Grimley. And that's the photo.

It is. And she goes on to say, for all the grief that you give George Hinkappy, he was quite kind to you about the hairdo. I even sang on that show, I've never done that before. What about, come back to that picture. And this is unreal. I mean, I do kind of see parts of it,

but mine doesn't look like that. It's tough, it's up to me. Not. How you doing, Brad? We're coming out of the rest day. We're trying to get this engine started again, man. Yeah. Jam, son. That's quite good. Jimmy Neutron. Okay.

You know what? That is too good. That is really good. Who's, who, I didn't put this up for, who put this up? That is too good. That was really good. Who's, I didn't put this up for, who put this up? George, are you behind this? I wish I was, but no, I think it was Colton. Colton.

Colton. Colton. We're gonna talk about tomorrow's stage, the first stage, first big mountain stage of this year's Tour de France. We're going to talk about tomorrow's stage, the first stage, first big mountain stage of this year's Tour de France. And as we said earlier in the pre-show, Pyrenees first, and then the Alps course in the middle. There's a little mountain in the middle called Mont Ventoux.

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You've never raced it? I've never ridden it. It's always a spectacular finish. Whenever it's introduced, going back to the 90s when Miguel Indurain up there with Luc LeBlanc, Bjarnarit in 96. So we expect fireworks tomorrow. The last time we came up here, then we spent 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, if he's the guy that was your critical pace setter the last time you were here, why is he up the road in the move? I don't think he will be this year. I think it's a different Wout Van Aert to then. Wout was changed over the years.

You've got Sepp Goos, you've got Jorgensen. Maybe he got in shape today. So he'll be that Wout. Probably. What we see from a rider like Wout Van is like, once this guy gets in the zone, I mean, he can just hold it for the rest of the Tour de France. We saw a couple of years ago,

I mean, he won the time trial, he won Malmö in two, and then he won the sprint in the Champs-Élysées, correct me if I'm wrong. So a guy like that, once he gets going, and once he gets in that, he starts smelling that mo, that momentum, he can do whatever he wants.

I tell you, I'm talking about money. He might have been smelling some money too. He can do whatever he wants. I thought you were talking about money. He might have been smelling some money too. He might have been, yeah. Since they don't give any money at the Tour de France, surely hopefully these guys have baked into their team contracts. I'd love to hear Bradley and Johan's take on what the strategy was. What the strategy was. When you, you didn't win the Hodocom stage, but it was like your first real break through Tour de France, I believe, Mountain Summit finish, where you kind of solidified your hopes

of winning your first Tour de France. Correct? Second. It was 2000. Okay, second. That was such true. I mean, it'd be fun for you guys to walk through that stage. I know he's not gonna remember.

I'd ask Lance, but he probably has no idea. No, I do remember parts of that stage. All right, we'll talk about it. It was raining. It was pouring rain. It was a tough day all day long, so these guys had gone away. We were on the back foot.

We were having to ride. We being me. We being you, Kevin Limison, et cetera. And you had some stallions up front, right? You had Ochoa who can climb. You had him and his up front. May he rest in peace. I loved that.

I loved him. In fact, if you ever can go back on the YouTube footage of that stage, catching him on Hotecom was, he was such a kind of a joker. He was, and I remember him looking over and just giving me a wink. Like he was just like, it was incredible. Also, who else was in that group was the Belgian guy.

It was, it was, oh shoot. Ludo. Nope, not Ludo. I mean, he also rest in peace. Terrible, terrible. Oh God, I'll remember this. Belgian climber? No, not a climber.

Classics guy, wrote on Cofidis a bit Lotto. Nico Matin was up in there. Nico. Nico was he tried to take like a three second pulls like Nico. I'm good. Get out the way. And Ochoa held on. But the but the but the big question mark at the bottom was a two parter, right? It was Jan who came into the race behind, out of shape,

but started that climb looking like he was gonna be able to do something, and then of course Pantani. May he also rest in peace. That was the big one. Everybody was waiting for that, and I'll never forget Johan coming over the radio saying, he's getting dropped, Pantani's getting dropped, and I thought, uh-oh, here we go.

I mean, it was, and then I just went, right? And so I loved racing in the rain like that. I will say that, and tomorrow we will not see that. It's going to be very hot tomorrow, 90 plus degrees. So we're not going to have the same conditions. But it was cool. It was it was it was probably in the well at the top. It would have been in the 50s.

I loved racing in those conditions. So I guess I can see UAE and EF Education you know, collaborating tomorrow, especially since it's kind of a super flat run in where we have like 100 something K before the client. I can see them collaborating. Let's pull it up. Let's look at this profile. Cause the profile this, this is give you this. This to me is scream sort of traditional tour to France mountain stage.

Right. You give the guys, you give the guys some chances here in the beginning. You've got that, uh, uh, sprint, uh, point at sprint, uh, thing in the middle thing, the sprint, you know what I'm saying? Intermediate sprint in the middle. Of course it does come after a little cap four, but you give the sprinters maybe a chance to hang on and snag some points and then boom. Mason- It'll be interesting to see what Vizsma do tomorrow on this basis that they've ridden the last ten days of trying to isolate Tadej off the back of the crash today, trying to

isolate him before the Sula, or at least by the top, or in terms of his teammates and how many he has there. I reckon they might make this quite hard at the foot of the Sulu. Yeah, well they should with the crash. That's right. And I don't put a lot of stock in random emails that people send us. I mean, we appreciate them, but I don't put a lot of stock in scoops about Tadej Pogacar potentially scoops about Tadej Pogacar potentially suffering with a little cold sniffle, so to speak. But pull up the Salur. This is the first real climb of the day. This is a real climb. Almost 12 kilometers at 7.3%. Pitches, one, two, three, four pitches, well over 9%.

Yeah, we used to race down that, right? We go up the Colo Obisque. I remember. But it's a nasty climb. And then, of course, let's pull up the profile for Haltacombe. Yeah, that's a- They're still looking for those hair pictures, probably. That's Haltacombe, bro. There's, well, oh, boom. Nasty.

13 and a half kilometers, 7.8, call it 8%. It's a tough climb. Hardest climb of the tour so far. Yes. We're gonna, like you said, Bradley, I think fireworks are gonna climb even before that. If they don't do something tomorrow, then it just really,

really what they've done the last 10 days makes zero sense. I know we're still trying to figure out what they've been doing, but if they in fact try to do that tomorrow and maybe make a difference, then it all makes sense. So they try to do that tomorrow and maybe make a difference, then it all makes sense. So they have to do something tomorrow. Yeah. And the other fun storylines here, I mean, I am curious what it would have been, how

Ben Healy, I don't think he can keep you, oh, but how he hangs on. Oscar Onley. Oscar Onley. Yeah. Big day thing. I'm loving this story developed, a guy that I didn't even know of before, hanging right in there. This is gonna be his, he's going to bed tonight going, okay, he feels the buzz.

He doesn't know that, he knows it's not just us talking about him. This is a big day for him. I'm betting on him. I'm betting on my buddy Primoz moving up a couple spots tomorrow. It's a big day for a lot of people. Vaklan as well.

Yeah, Vaklan. Lipowicz. We didn't even mention Vaklan. He didn't do a TV attack today. I don't know why he did it, but he put in a super aggressive attack at the bottom, and that's Steve Klein, maybe, perhaps doing an opener for tomorrow's game.

These guys. You know, with all this talk as well of Tadej, and Visma, and UAE, the one we failed to mention since the time trial is Remco, who's always been there yeah and he's always the one who's initially there when he's not sure what's going on and why no one else is attacking but I think Remco's in a better position than he was a week ago hmm but at the same time when when Tade and when Jonas go he's still kind of you know a little bit

off the back of that. He can't follow. These are not good climbs for him. The Pyrenees a little bit more uneven. That's not a Ramco Evanapul. I mean, we'll see. It's a big day for him tomorrow. The anticipation is huge for tomorrow. Who knows tomorrow this Tour de France. Matthew van der Poel could win and take yellow. I mean, we just don't know. That would be something. I mean, the more I think about the end of today's stage with those, let's just imagine Kevin Voelklon or Jonas Vindegaard gets over the top of that climb alone. They're gonna ride what 8k

to the finish line to get five seconds on the group. Yeah I just the more I think about it the more confused I am about everything we've seen or why was the peloton sprinting was that for UCI points? Yeah. We are especially the sprints for the finish. I mean, sprinting for 27th place. Those are head scratchers. Yeah. All right.

On the eve of the first big mountain stage. We, yeah. I mean, maybe these mountains, maybe we just haven't had mountains yet. So no one's thinking straight. Like, well, the mountains sort people out. That's a question. Maybe run that by Johan.

I mean, he'd have a good perspective on whether. I'd say that second group behind Vennepoel was sprinting is that maybe they just didn't know how many guys were ahead. But it is odd that they were sprinting so hard after such a hard day, in front of such hard days to come. I wonder why it's a guy like Webinar sprinting full gas for a sixth place. Let me just be clear here.

Personally speaking, if I wasn't sprinting for the win in a stage of the Tour de France, I would not be sprinting. I just set up. It doesn't matter. Unless I'm totally, there's no reason to sprint. You never saw you sprinting against Oren. No way.

Who cares? I didn't win in the stage. Also you, would you ever sprint back when you won, I mean you had Cadell, who was your main rivals there? Cadell, which he did not end up doing great. Nibali. Nibali, but you guys were rolling in for fifth, sixth place. There's no way you were sprinting.

No way. You were just riding and goes, thank you, see you tomorrow. Ventum trivia of the day. Of course, we have Dia on here in a little bit. Stage 11. Stage 11 starts and ends in Toulouse. What historical significance does Toulouse hold in the tour? I don't even know that one.

Okay. We have no questions or? Was there an answer to the last Ventum trivia? The last Ventum trivia question. Who was the first mountain stage of this year's tour as Bastille Day? Who was the last Frenchman to win a stage of the tour on France's national holiday? That would be Thibaut Pinot in 2019.

Thibaut Pinot. That's not what I would have guessed. I'm going to fact check that. I was just going to say Spencer, the gears up to. We thought it was someone else, didn't we? We did think it was someone else. Uh-oh. We can put it to Dia, because he's going to be on later. Before we do questions, we kind of blew past it.

Jonas Aberhansen used to weigh, when he was 23 years old, he weighed 58 kilos, because he thought he had to have a 6 watt per kilo threshold. He gains 22 kilograms, goes up to 80, which is what he's at now. And that's unbelievable. Yeah. Almost hard to believe.

So it's just all power. And for those who think in pounds 22, that's, I mean, you're pushing 50 pounds. Yeah. A weight gain. And it clearly, a lot of power, right, that he's gained. Which would be the exact opposite of pretty much What anybody else did which would be like what we've seen what we've seen Bradley do from his tour de france winning ways is yoked

gym shark Days of today that seems a hell of a lot It seems like a lot. Yeah, maybe that maybe you could have transitioned into like a breakaway specialist If you would have gained 50 pounds, I've read all the reports of him putting on weight. 22 kilos is a lot of weight. And nonetheless, whatever he did worked for him today. Also too Spencer, you did not have him win in that stage as it was coming down to it. The Swiss rider has won plenty of times on the Pro Tour. From my eyes, I mean, if you're, as we were watching, you said he's a much faster rider than Abrahamson. I mean, you rode the wrong race.

I mean, leading the guy out, that fast. They had the monster closing in very quickly. Van der Poel was coming in hot. The director was on the radio saying, you're faster than him, it's up to you to keep this breakaway away from Matthew VandenPul. I don't think he had a choice.

I think he had to go all in on keeping VandenPul behind. Otherwise, he would have gotten second anyway, had VandenPul caught him. That was his only option, I believe. Yeah. Again, congratulations to our Hushal, his whole team. It was a big win for a small team. Huge.

Huge win. A wild card invite like that. And we don't need to get into it here, but there's a big points battle brewing. So this is good for them. Like they could maybe even potentially be in the world tour. So question from Todd.

How much work does each bike get every night? Is it dissembled and put back together? How many bikes do the guys have? And do they know if they're riding a different bike? I think Bradley said during Flanders they do know. And do they change gearing? And if they do, is the rider notified the day before? Yeah, I mean, for gearing,

I was always asked the night before, what dinner table. Yeah. But these days, I mean, they all have like 12 sprockets. I think it's, they probably don't change gearing as much, but certainly wheels, bikes, go arrow bikes on flat days, you know, climbing bikes on hilly days. We'd always have the the text message from the mechanic the night before like, hey, which wheels you want to ride? What gearing do you want to ride and which bike do you want to ride? So, yeah, they they have the options every day.

And then the first part of the first part of that question was to the bike the bikes get broken down every night not in my our generation wheels off you know they hose them down assuming nothing happens nothing's acting funny I think they you know they basically keep it together give it a good wash down yeah make sure it's it's tuned up how often are you getting a new chain like every couple days go hold the chain yeah? Like every couple days? Go a whole tour with the chain? No, I don't, I doubt every couple of days. Most of those, six of those seven tours,

I wasn't sure that I had a chain. Oh. And then a follow-up question to this is from somebody else. Like, so let's say a bike crashes. What's then the protocol for, do they take it back and inspect it? Or they just kind of like, yeah.

Absolutely. Certainly take it back and inspect it. I just like yeah, absolutely. Certainly. Absolutely. I mean keep in mind most these bikes are if not all of them are our bikes that that are production bikes made on the same line that the Consumers out buying and riding. I imagine Tade's bike will be stripped down a fair bit today Yes, the lever was bent in so they'll probably put a new lever on yeah good question for our man Dia once we finish this show. And that's right. But yeah, the manufacturer will want those bikes to, if there was a break or if the carbon, and they do inspect them very closely

for even the slightest crack in the carbon, they would wanna know where that bike is prone or where the weakness is in that frame. Yeah. And then let's say a bike is trashed, the weakness is in that frame. Yeah. And then let's say a bike is trashed, you send it back to the manufacturer. Yeah. They want that back quick.

Yeah. They don't want anybody else to have it. Yeah. When Contador crashed a few years, remember his bike broke in half, didn't it? Yeah. It was on the roof of the car and they were covering it up and stuff, because it can be bad for manufacturers

if they break over a certain crash, people looking at buying one and you don't want to. That's not the best. Not the best. Handlebars fall off. You feel like that. I may or may not have some experience with that. Yeah.

Well, that's it for questions. That's it. Oh, that was easy. Big day, big day. Tomorrow is a big day. Send us your questions. Try to get them on here. And comments on Lance's hair, please. That's always nice on the rest day. You're just getting like emails

about how your hair looks. Rando emails. And if the comments get any meaner, because there were others, could have a haircut on the show. It was quite entertaining for me on our ride yesterday. The whole first 45 minutes of the ride were him telling me about the comments he was receiving about his hair. Well, I'm going back to my neck cooler now that we're wrapping up. But do do please send us your questions. Info at wedo.team. We'll try to get to him.

All right. We got Dior from Ventum. Ventum bikes, of course, are we have a little controversy today Dia over yesterday's trivia question or two days ago the trivia question and the answer so the team is fact-checking that just saying. You know Johan's fact checking those. It's a perfect day for you to be here because I don't know if you caught it but I've been getting a lot of mean tweets about my hair. And so I thought, what a day to bring D on. Check the man's hair and they got the hair down.

Yeah, you know, I don't know why you're getting so much hate over it. I don't either. It's beautiful. It is absolutely beautiful. My guys, my dog right here, yes. Yes. What's new in your world?

Yeah, well thanks for having me on. I mean, it's very exciting. Actually, I was in Mallorca with my wife Audrey last week. We were reminiscing on our time with you guys there in Dea. Beautiful riding. Did Sacalobra. I'm sure you remember that one, George. Oh, yeah.

We put him in a hurt locker. Yeah, we did. Team Lance destroyed Team George up that climb. Team G and Poppy. Yeah. But our friend Dave Leteary was on that ride. Yeah, he was, he was. I love that man.

But before I start, guys, gifts. We always do gifts. Oh man. Yeah, yeah. Bradley, George, this was an easy one, right? Diaz and Durga, my new favorite brand. Did you have it on tonight's Go With The World? Yeah, I did, but it had a different scent.

This one is called I Do Not Know Why, I Don't Know What. And I thought of it fitting because- Hang on, it's actually called I don't know what? Yeah, check it out. And it's fitting because it comes from the French phrase, je ne sais quoi. So I figured with the tour, why not get you this guy? It is one of their big classics.

Big notes of bergamot, perfect for the Aspen summer nights here, so enjoy it. Bradley, you're coming to LA in a couple of weeks. We're taking you to their flagship store in Abbekeni. We're gonna experience some sets. What'd you get, Lance? What'd you get, Lance? I was just gonna say, there's only one thing missing here.

Yeah, because my gift to Lance is not giving him a set. Because in years past, I would give him one, and I would see him pass him on to George right on set. He wouldn't even wait till the show's over. Do you know how distracting that is? So I said, Dia, you on to George right on set. He wouldn't even wait till the show was over. Do you know how distracting that is? So I said, Dia, you need to do a better job. Be more thoughtful. What can you give the man that can buy anything?

And then I was taken back, I think it was in April, we were in Austin, we went out to dinner, you, Audrey, me, Anna, took us in a car, I think it was Max's car, and he played a song and he said, Dia, this is my jam, I love this song. Took note of that. Came home, pulled out the decks, and I said, how can I make this better for him?

And so I think we have a little snippet, so I remixed the song for you. For you to really enjoy at the gym. Do we have a little clip here, a little snippet? ["Move In Slow"] Do we have a little clip here a little snippet? This is the drop teens I love the drop teen that great mix. Right? I have the full song for you. Can I make the announcement too, that he is also gonna DJ Saturday night at my Fundo in Greenville?

Oh yeah. Is that what you're saying? 100%, Greenville. Which I think Bradley's gonna be there. I'm gonna be the dancer. Who knows with Lance, you know, unless you send a jizzy and do all this stuff, he may or may not be there, but yeah.

That is true. He will be spinning the beat. Saturday night. Saturday night at the Fundo. So what do you go by, DJ Dia or DJ? I don't have a DJ name. You better figure that out. Every DJ has DJ Ventim.

Oh boy. DJ Mutev. Ventim backwards. I like that. We'll think about that. We had a good question on our show today. I don't know if you heard it, but being an owner of an awesome bike brand, Ventim,

what would you, what would you do if a guy like Tade crashed on your bike? Or what would you have your guys do? I know you wouldn't do it, but like in terms of like inspecting the bike, checking, making sure that it's still the integrity is still there. All that. A hundred percent, especially if you're on the tour on the road or anything, we would switch that bike out immediately. Unless the rider had a very big affinity, You know, some riders get particular about bikes,

like, no, I have to ride this one. We would take no chances. We would sub out the bike completely. Maybe, you know, they have like three, four spares anyway. But even with mobile scans, which you can do, I wouldn't risk it ever. And we would take that bike. And, you know, I heard you guys talk about

what happens when a bike is broken, which will happen. I mean, they're 15 pound carbon fiber frames. Yeah, we want those things off the road and off the street. And you want them. Definitely, definitely. Send it back to you and then you guys. We always get them back. I mean, it's also good to identify,

I mean, hopefully this never happens to any brand, but if a certain bike keeps breaking in a certain area, that gives you concern. So it goes back to R&D and everything else. And speaking of bikes, you guys are just continue to complete the arsenal. You had out of the gate, the NS1. Then we had, of course, the GS1, my personal favorite.

Now we got the E-bike, the ES1. Got the new time trial. Well, I guess the original bike was the Triathlon bike, which was many, many years ago, but now the new UCI Legal Time Trial bike. So the suite is complete, so to speak. Yeah. So we, in March, launched the Vettum Tempus UCI Legal TT bike.

It is, you know, obviously we wanted to be UCI. If we want to pro tour to go compete against George, you know, his team, we should probably have a UCI Legal TT bike. But the beauty about this one, honestly, is it feels. It feels. Subtle. Yeah, right? It's a little subtle. I heard we were dropping down.

No, but the beauty about this bike being, obviously, UCI legal, it really feels like 11 years of R&D, research, history, everything went into this bike. And I'm very, very proud of it. One of the things that really differentiates it from others is typically when we start developing a bike, you're developing the frame, the fork, the seat post. While our friends at Profile Design

gave us a little bit of a hint that they were coming out with a very, very fast bar, and they gave us a two years heads up. So we collaborated with them. And for the first time, we designed a bike from the front back. And you know how important aerodynamics come when it comes to the front time, we designed a bike from the front back. And you know how important aerodynamics come when it comes to the front end, right?

So we were able to get this incredibly clean, integrated front end, and it's testing incredibly fast. It got second at nationals, TT nationals, six seconds off the wind from the guy from INEOS. It's one multiple Ironman's already. Did you have to give up on any of the aerodynamics to make it UCI legal as opposed to just being triathlon legal? Of course.

Back in the day, we did. But I don't know if you could see in one of those pictures, we were able to really push the envelope within the UCI. That's what I'm wondering. It looks like it. Yeah, if you see how wide our seat stay chain stays and fork is, and we tested against the Ventum One, and it's very very competitive.

And most of the top end triathletes, the G sponsor are on the new campus? Yeah, yeah. So I mean in Kona we have 10% of the women's fields probably led by Chelsea Sodaro will be on it and a whole bunch of others. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so that was in March and then just unbound we released a new GS1, your favorite bike. That's right. We made it, I think we have a photo of it. We made it 150 grams lighter, 12% stiffer. There it is.

I know, George, you look at this and you think, is this just a hipster gravel bike brand? But it's not. It actually got- The hits keep coming. The hits keep coming. It actually, we- I'm still waiting for mine, by the way. But it's not. It actually got. The hits keep coming. The hits keep coming. It actually, we. I'm still waiting for mine, by the way.

You know, we have to negotiate, but I want one of those. It's amazing. So wider tire clearance, lighter, stiffer, and launched it at Unbound. And we got second on it, on Unbound. So really, really happy about that. So lots, lots going on on the product side. And then on the brand side. We launched our first store

It's a concept store in Dubai. It's called the Bentham house in Dubai, and it's absolutely looks amazing Have you seen it? Yeah, I've seen the video. Yeah, we're gonna go this far DJ at the opening my brother did believe it No, my brother my brother's a very DJ than I am. Maybe you should fly him actually, but it's a beautiful showroom It's a demo center. It's a coffee shop In fact Ray Lewis did you guys know Ray Lewis? He's a huge site writer. Yeah, he's a big writer. Yeah, he just went in.

He rocks Phantom. Yeah, he just rocked in there and just bought half the store last week. In Dubai? In Dubai? No way. That's hilarious. What the hell is Ray Lewis doing in Dubai? I don't know, who knows, who knows.

But we hope to replicate that in a lot of other places. So we're looking at LA, obviously. I think I had mentioned that to you, Lance. So we're looking at other markets as well. And then lastly, increasing our dealer network. I think I came on the show last year maybe a bit too passionate about how the big boys are not being too kind to the independent bike shops. And we want to change that. And we have. We've signed up over 50 dealers and looking for more. We're going to cap it about 200. Speaking of Dave Vettieri, Fast Track, he's crushing it in Santa Barbara for more. We're gonna cap it about 200. Speaking of Dave Letieri, fast track, he's crushing it in Santa Barbara for us.

So. He's one of the greatest dudes ever. Yeah. And by the way, passion is definitely one of the first words that comes to mind when Dia's name comes up. It's boy, you got some passion. Yes. Passion for hair, passion for, I almost said perfect.

Sense, music, biking, fashion. What am I missing, D? I didn't see it. I'm going to send that mix to the guys on the drop teens. I think I love the drop teens. I walked into the chiropractor's office the other day and I heard, I was like, who's playing the drop teens? And it was on the local public radio station here in Aspen,

which I thought was awesome. But you send me the mix. I'll send you the mix, definitely. Well, you know, Brad, they had one question for you, if you don't mind, because you're new to the Ventum family. You've obviously ridden a lot of very, very nice bikes in your life. What do you think of the NS1 so far? I love it. I love it. From where I'm at now, in terms of how much cycling I do and what type of cycling I do, and the weight I am as well, It holds me up really well. You know, I'm 99 kilos now, so it's a bit different to the bikes I had in the past, which when I was 68 kilos, but

for what I need it for, the thing I notice most about it, particularly with my weight now, is how fast I can go downhill on it. You know, the angles, the way the bars are, the bar set up, integrated stem handlebar. I love it. And it still has that rigidity under me when I want to go up. I mean, I sit in the saddle a lot. I don't climb, I never really climb much out of the saddle anyway. So I've got, I feel like I've got all my power going through the bike when I'm going uphill really, which is hard work for me these days.

Yeah. I'm looking forward to trying the gravel bike. And I love the new colors as well. The speckled paint job you're doing on the... Yeah. That's a whole science. You're absolutely right. I think it's two years come out with colors and it's exactly that. There's a lot that goes into it. I'll tell you what I love about the NS1 is the aesthetics of how a bike should look,

I still think. It's still got those traditional angles. And it's not, you know, so many bikes, and we see the new Colnago, and we see the Pinarello with the curved top tube, and stuff, that is still holding a traditional, how I think a bike should look. And I still think that that's the best way to get the effort out on a bike,

is those angles have never changed since. Don't get cute. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. We should use that tagline, don't get cute. Yeah, don't get cute. Unless it's with colors. Liv Young, die young. Mm. I like that. We should use that tagline. Don't get cute. Yeah, don't get cute. Unless it's with colors.

Live young, die young. Awesome. I think it's something else. Is it something else? It's something slightly different. Die young, late in life, or die that. No, die young as late as possible. Yeah.

Dia, dude. Thank you. Keep rocking. Thank you. Keep rocking. And we'll see you in LA, because we'll be there. Yep. Got some fun stuff going on. I didn't get the invite to the LA thing, but okay.

No. Is it what? And for obvious reasons. But. Oh, just got to get ganked up on Jean. You got to apply. Put your neck fan on. Get on down the road.

I'm putting it back on because you're all making me hot. Thanks, D. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, because you're making me hot. Thanks, Dee. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me on. Thank you. Keep smelling good. Keep the hair rocking.

The more Dia shows up, the less shit I get about my hair. So Dia is welcome any time.