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Episode Date: May 26, 2026

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down the Giro's 16th stage, won by Jonas Vingegaard in dominant fashion, extending his overall lead while Felix Gall, Thymen Arensman, and Jai Hindley battle for the remaining podium spots. They discuss what Vingegaard and Visma's strategy will be from here to Rome, and what the others can hope to get out of this race. They also preview tomorrow's Stage 17, going into why they think will win and how it will unfold. Buy tickets to THEMOVE's live show on May 31st https://www.myticketshop.be/event-details/wattage-festival-2026/777   Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team   Gusto: Try Gusto today at https://gusto.com/themove, and get three months free when you run your first payroll. That's three months of free payroll at https://gusto.com/themove  

The most important race right now, Spencer, is the race for second, third, and fourth, right? That's really still close. You know, if you look at the time differences between, what is it, Felix Gall, is 403. Aronsmann is 24 seconds behind him only. And then Jay Hindley is less than a minute. Yeah, 33 seconds behind Arnsman. So it's really close. I think Ollalio, we should be realistic and counted.

that he's not in contention for the, for the podium, but those three are. One of them is going to fall off the podium. Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Brunel. We are breaking down stage 16 of the Giro de Tadia summit finish in Switzerland. And the Ticino, Canton of Switzerland, perhaps, Italian speaking, Jonas Vindigo. We're going to start calling him by his real name at this point, 16 stages in because he's earned it. He's winning every uphill finish is.

uphill finish, wins the summit finish, by 109 over a field of skull, with Jai Henley coming in one minute, 11 seconds down. Time and Aronsman getting tailed off a little in the sprint at 114 down. He now leads the overall by four minutes, three seconds over Phyllis Scall. This was like an important nail in the coffin for him. Now he's, he's gone from the two and a half minute territory to four plus minute territory. Johan seems hard for him to lose it now. Time and Arons been his third at 427 back. Jai Hinley, five minutes back. and our former race leader, Afonzo Ullalio, still in fifth at 540 down. He got dropped early-ish on the climb, finished three minutes behind Vindigo, which is not awful, actually.

Pretty impressive performance for him. It was a hot day, hard day, two hours, 57 minutes of racing through the mountains. So short, explosive stage, average speed of 38 kilometers an hour, really difficult. There was a breakaway away early. It was hard for them to get away on the flat. Chaconay forced things when they got to the first climb. The big names in the move were Giulio Chaconay, Jonathan Narvias, Chris Harper, Iner Rubio, Diego Ulysi. Navias picks up max points at the intermediate sprint, getting within a few points of Paul Monnier and the intermediate classification.

DeCathleton started a pace on the final climb at the bottom of the final climb after Visima kept the leash incredibly tight on the breakaway around two minutes. Red Bull comes forward. Giulio Pellizari was dropped as soon as that happened, so they must have known he wasn't good and wasn't going to play into the gc but then vizma got to work on the front victor campenards comes forward sepkus comes forward for not a super long poll i'll ask you about that later joan and then david p gonzoli like breakout star this euro sets up vindigard vindigo he attacks with six k to go and we don't see him again and i mean right now i think what did you say the other day he just looks better than everybody else i would that would be my takeaway from today but what is yours joan yeah i mean my take

the same Spencer, it's the domination of Jonas and Vizma. Today's stage, it was very clear, 130 kilometers. As soon as this breakaway went and we saw Visma keeping it under two minutes, they wanted to win the stage. After the stage we heard in both interviews of Bigazoli and Jonas, that their goal was to win the stage in Pink Jersey, which, you know, obviously a stage like this at 130 kilometers stage, with the team they have, it's probably the best possible scenario to keep things under control

with that strength on the team, right? Again, an impressive performance of the whole team. Again, Team Rex was impressive, Bart Lemon, Victor Kampenarts, I mean, Tim O'Kilik, and then finally we had Kus and Piggas. But I think the most impressive thing was that Jonas, when Jonas went again, didn't, go straight away out of the saddle, attacked in the saddle again. And especially the difference in speed, Spencer. Nobody, I mean, Felix Gall, I don't know if he even tried, you know.

I mean, he did try to accelerate, but what was he? 50 meters on the wheel? Not even that. He looked more in line with the other guys today than with, you know, before this, it's been Jonas Gall and then today he, I mean, he literally fell back to those guys that were chasing. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I think, I think what was really impressive, Spencer, is that when Campanards was putting. So he was their fourth guy, right? I mean, they had four guys left. So, you know, when you can really see in Visma, okay, we know it's a strong team. But, you know, the power of the leader's jersey is within the whole team of Visma. You know, you have Campanards, Cuspi, Gonzoli, together with Jonas.

While the majority of the rest of the writers of that first group, they were already in the hurt box. you know when when when when when when when when when company arts was pulling uh i guess who was uh uh uh were were were dropped already yeah you know so those those are in it should i mean two good climbers when you if you see that you can only expect what's going to happen next you know when then when kuss takes over obviously the speed is higher there's less people and then when when when big on zoli um i think if you look at the the way this is set up you know i personally thought that Jonas would attack a little later. But if you see the reduced group when Paganzoli was pulling,

let's not forget that until now, until today, Pekonzoli in certain mountain stages has been the third best climber. He was the only guy who was able to stay for a while with Felix Gull, who's the second best climber in this race for the moment. And if you look at Pagonsoli was pulling, you see Jonas in his wheel, his face is, not even, you know, not even moving. And then you see the faces of the other guys.

Gall today had the suffer face off. Yeah. Hindley, also, Arsman, I mean, Arsman, his style already always looks suffering. But anyways, you could see that when your, when your last rider, Paganzoli is pulling, that already puts your three next rivals in the herd box. So it's a simple map exercise, you know, I mean, as soon as Paganzoli, pulls off, Jonas accelerates and everybody else had to stay at their pace. I think the domination, the domination is the big takeaway.

Not a surprise as expected, I would say. Yeah, and I mean, the whole thing, like they were pacing hard all day. I mean, you can imagine a two, a sub three hour stage in a grand tour. Kind of hard to wrap your head around that. But the pace must have been relentless. Like to hold a breakaway, I think how hard the breakways going. Yeah, every time they showed Narvaeus, his powers. around 450 watts and he's not a big guy to hold that gap.

Like Tim Rex on the front was killing himself halfway through the stage. So they are asking a lot of these guys, what do you think the strategy is from here on out? He has a four minute, three second lead. Does he go for more stage wins? Does he just take them if they come? Like, what does Visima do from here? I mean, you know, I think they're going to at least go for one more stage win.

You know, there's still two really, really big mountain stages. One of them could potentially be a breakaway. But I think which one is it with Paso Giao? That's stage Giao. 19. Yeah. And that's a mountain top finish also, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I think that one. And then, yeah, Piancavalo is, there's not the same stage as Piancovalo. That's stage, right? Yeah. So 19 is like a true Dolomites mountain stage. It's actually 10% average uphill finish. And then.

Okay. That's another one for you. Yeah, stage 20. I don't know, actually, because it's a long flat and then double assent of Pia Cavaolo. Yeah, the finish line. Anyway, you know, the thing is they don't have to. You know, they don't have to do anything. He's comfortably in the lead.

Nobody getting even close so they can just control. Personally, that's what I would do as the team manager. But, you know, times have changed, of course. I don't know how much pride or ego is there, you know, because now they're starting. I mean, it's ridiculous, actually. But, you know, they say, yeah, you know, Bogacha won six stages. You also want to win six stages. You know, you shouldn't care.

You just have to win the Gero. I agree. I mean, it's, it's a nice situation to be in. Like, you know, your 16 stages, what is it? Was it six, stage 16 today? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So there's still five stages to come. And you can already start to think about the tour of the France right now. Yep. Let's do as less as possible, not just Jonas, but also Campanards and Sepkus, who will be part of the tour team. So it's a really nice position to be in. I would recommend they do that, they think about that, they try to spare as much possible forces, even if they feel amazing right now. It doesn't matter. You don't need to win any stages anymore.

but yeah i mean i think i think they will just keep controlling and they would at least win one more stage um and then yeah let's see let's see for the rest of the zero if there's breakaways the most important race right now spencer is the race for second third and fourth right that's that's really still close you know if you look at the time differences between what is it felix gal is four oh three um arlesman is twenty four seconds behind him only. And then Jay Hindley is less than a minute. 33 seconds behind Arns.

So it's really close. I think Ollalio, we should be realistic and count that he's not in contention for the podium. But those three are. One of them is going to fall off the podium. You know, Aronsmann and Hindley look pretty good today. I have to say, you know, Gall doesn't look that. dominant anymore compared to where he was before. So I don't know.

I mean, I still think he, you know, it's, they still have to drop him, of course. But it's going to be an interesting, an interesting race for, for the podium. That's, I think that's the most exciting part. And then what else do we have? We have the KOM that's still in play. But anyways, I think it's going to be Jonas. It's really the points jersey is the most interesting jersey race right now. 145, Paul Mnay to 143, Narvaez.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So tomorrow is going to be an interesting stage for that, because Narvaise is probably going to try to go in the break, and he will be in the break probably, and Paul Marnier can't be in the break. Yeah. So tomorrow we might see another shift. So Magnet is still in Chiclamino, no, right now?

Yeah, by two points. Okay. Tomorrow we probably will have a change again. Yeah, I would anticipate Narvaeus takes it tomorrow, It actually is tougher than you think. I was doing the math on this because if Manier wins the final stage, he gets 50 points. So Narvaise is going to have to pick up probably three stages of intermediate sprints plus top three a stage, you know, to even be up there.

So it's not guarantee that. Mani is winning the last stage. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yes, we should say that. It probably most likely does not win the final stage. Let's see. And here's where it gets really interesting.

So first place is 50 points. Second place, only 35. Third place, 25. So if he gets third, Novias is going to win this. Yeah. I'm loving this point's jersey classification. I mean, you know,

the race is within the race, right? So I think that's what we have to look for now. I mean, you know, good for Visma, good for Jonas. But unfortunately for us fans, the race for G. For the first place, is long over. Again, Jonas today looked exactly the same like the other day.

He was time trawling up the mountain. looked completely in control. Had to suffer face on a little bit. I don't know if that's real. I mean, I think so. He was pushing huge numbers on the funnel clock. So I would hope he's suffering. Yeah, yeah.

But this is not his limit. You know, I think he's not at his limit yet. So, yeah, not so good for everybody else who, but you could clearly hear also in the interviews. Felix Gall, who was it, Felix Gall and I don't know who the other one was. If it was Hindley or Arnsman, they just said, you know, there's nothing. It needs nothing we can do.

Jonas is just in a league on his own. His team is extremely strong. We just need to ride our own pace as fast as possible to the top of the climb and then see who's the best of the rest. That's the situation right now. That's the atmosphere. And that's the motivation of those other guys. Yeah.

And do you think, I kind of feel like he is, if you remember back to 2024, Tadipagatra didn't ride a single kilometer outside of his comfort zone. Basically, he was training. He was getting paid a lot of money to train for the tour de fronts. It's kind of the same thing with Jonas, right? Like, he's not, you know, he did an effort on the final climb today, but you'd have to be riding hard and training at some point. He's essentially just here training and then happens to be winning the race. well yeah it's it's i think it's a bit it's a bit simplifying you know it's it's still hard right it's still hard well i mean these training games are super hard too you know i know but it's not three weeks after each other you know these consecutive efforts but it's and you're in a

different hotel every night right like that's got to it's great training for the system to you know to train how to recover especially if you're not at your absolute maximum so i think it's yeah it's a really good, very intense training camp for him. And then I was thinking about this on the rest day. So, let's just say Tadipagatra, he's a barista and Ljubljana. He never rides a bike. Jonas Vindegard would have won. He would have in his pocket five Tour de France victories.

He'd be cruising to the Giro win. He'd be going to the tour to win his sixth tour to France. He would, so he'd have five tours, a Giro of WELTA, and he would have won Perrinis, Torano, Catalonia, Bass Country, multiple dophines. We would say this is the best guy, stage racer we've ever seen, right?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he is second stage racer taking, I mean, after Tarepo Gatchar, but yeah, unfortunately for him, there's Tadipulacar. Let's see, you know, we're always comparing, right?

and especially when they're not racing together, we're always, any race we're talking about, Spencer, where there's one or the other, we end up talking about the Tour de France, every, every podcast, which is telling about cycling how important the tour is, how, you know, secondary the other races are.

But yeah, I mean, listen, for Jonas, listen, already having the Palmaris he has in the era of Bogartjar is already impressive. you know that's not I mean not a lot of people can say that no no you know he will have beat him at least two times in the tour de fronts that's going to seem ridiculous in the future yeah if we're going to say how did that happen it's also funny how the presence of one person can completely shape the perception of another writer is the same thing with young but it's the same maybe it's been the same for for years for ages spencer you know look if I mean if you would I mean, when Bernard Hino was there, there was so many good riders who got second, when Eddie Marx, Induride, I mean, you know, a guy like Johnny Buneo, imagine what Johnny Buno would have won if Indurine did not exist. You know, it didn't race.

So when Chris Frome appeared, you know, Kintana, Contador, others, I mean, they would have, I mean, they would have won the tour. So, you know, there's always these writers who appear and they are super dominant. So we are, I think we're lucky to see this ourselves, this domination. Some people say it's boring, but it isn't. I think I think a sport is really nice and fair if it's the strongest guy who wins. I like that. It is good.

Also, Chris Frum's lucky. He didn't have to go against Jonas Fendergarde. Also, what's crazy to think about is if Chris Frum's, him's not around, which you almost, I mean, didn't make it into professional cycling. Roman Bordeaux, when's a tour de France. And we think of, oh, wow, what a, like, he's the French savior. But yeah, he just, he gets second instead and you don't think about it in the same way. A few other things I was going to ask you about.

So Scepcouce is doing the tour de France, correct? Yeah. And so is Victor Campanauts? Yes. Is that playing into how they're managing this? Because Jonas is Jonas. Like his body can handle things other people can't. But do these guys have to think about how they spend their energy the rest of the zero because of that?

I would think so. I mean, I would definitely take that into account. But, you know, it's still, I mean, it's still when you have the favorite, when you have the leader, it's the whole peloton against that rider against your team. You always need to be there when it's when it really matters. It doesn't matter for how long. You need to be there, right? So today it was impressive. They had four riders on that last climb with 9K to go.

And I mean, the rest was swinging already. So, I mean, in terms of strength, it looks pretty good. But yeah, I mean, those three riders at least will do the double zero involved and to the France. And if you were, Arnsbender Henley, how would you, because I don't think they can drop Gall on a climb. How are you going to get rid of Gaul? how would you approach that? I mean, they have to try. I would be hopeful.

I would be hopeful because, you know, like today, Felix Gall tried. He wrote smart. He wrote smart. You know, when he saw he couldn't make any ground. He saw that Bernal was pulling for Aronsmann. Kind of, I mean, I'm not going to say, waited for them, but he did stop his effort and, you know, went to sit on the wheel, which was, you know, smart,

but then finally he got rid of them at the end with a few seconds. I personally, I mean, I would have expected him a little bit more dominant for that second place. Let's not forget. I mean, no, no, he's, he's Austrian. I keep thinking he's Swiss. He's Austrian. So. Yeah, and his home country is Switzerland, Italian-speaking Switzerland.

Yeah, I mean, yeah. The thing that would give me concerns if I was those guys is he has a bad day. And then you see him accelerate away at the end? It's like, he still kind of like has an extra gear they don't have. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

I think for sure. They probably have to try to target them on stage 19, some sort of maneuver. At this point, there's no more tactics, man. It's the legs who do the talking in these, especially in these hard mountain stages. There are no tactical choices.

You just have to, you know, go, you know, make sure that you're there with the favorites at the bottom of the last climb and then whoever has the best legs gets it. And one of them will probably have one day where he's, you know, a little less. And that's going to be what makes the difference between third and fourth place, I think. It's not like all of a sudden Arnizmann and Jay Hindley or all of a sudden that much better than Felix Gaul. I mean, for the moment he's still in second. Don't you think they have to target them on the dissents though? Like at California?

Well, that could be. Yeah, that could be. But it's not easy. And you know, the last week of a, I would see that more in the first part, the first half of a grand tour. But then at the end, you know, your body is on autopilot. And, you know, but also on the dissents, you know, it's not like you have, even if you're the best dissenter, you're worn out.

And you also need to make sure you don't. crash yourself. That's a very good point. Yeah, that is key. Now, whenever talks about that, like you got to go after goal and let a sense. It's like,

well, you can't, you are not immune to the crashing that you're trying to cause. We should also shout out Gregor Mulberger. This guy has been. Yeah. I mean,

another thing, Spencer, for example, once it you went, if one of those stages, it's bad weather. That's different. Yeah.

Then, then you could say, okay, you know what, we're going to push him here and we'll see if we'll see if we can, you know, push him so far that he starts to make errors. Yeah.

I don't know if we're going to get. I don't know the way Europe is trending this week. I don't know if we're going to get back. Well, let me tell you, man. It's hot. It's hot here now. I mean, here in Madrid today was 33, 34 degrees. I saw today in Italy, it was 30 degrees in Switzerland.

And, you know, let's not forget, they're in the mountains. Yeah. So should be a bit cooler. So, yeah, it's going to be, it's very hot in Europe. And I think that's all I have for the stage, right? Do you have anything else? Yeah, I think so. You know, fourth stage win for Jonas already.

Four wins for him. Yeah. That's pretty good. He could win every uphill finish at this race. Well, the thing is, I mean, you can also see Spencer, you know, the way he is in the interviews. He's confident. He's happy. He's smiling.

Everything. Everything goes smoothly for him now. the way he feels the way the way the team is riding the way they deliver him to the last climb it's pretty impressive so he has a reason to be happy and who do you think finishes on the podium after today um i'm still going to say so jonas phoenix gall jay hindley the first three of today that's probably going to be the podium interesting you think arnsman gets dropped or he just gets like paper cut to death by henley because today at the end it still puts time into him you know Who was that?

Like Henley, they finished together, but Henley puts three plus, he puts seven seconds in Arnsman, you know, if he does that every up he'll finish, it's a problem. It's insignificant, but it is kind of, you know, an indication of what's to come. Also now, for example, Hindley is now the sole protected leader of Red Bull. I think, I think Pelizari lost 18 minutes today, no? something else be wrong. He came in like 18 minutes down. And he must have,

they must have known this, right? Before the stage. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I think so. I think so. What do you think it's an ill? I mean, I guess we, it's useless for us to speculate.

I mean, it could be, you know, empty, just out of energy. You know, I've said it already before. You know, he peaked early already. And once you're in that downward spiral, downward spiral, it's, it's not easy. It's like, okay, lights out. No more, nothing more in the tank. just, you know, survive and make it to the finish. Well, let's take a quick break.

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That's three months of free payroll at gusto.com slash the move. Gusto.com slash the move. So you're on tomorrow stage, stage 17, 202 kilometers, multiple catarized climbs, one, two, three. None over a cat three, though. which is three cat three climbs and then an uphill finish that. I don't think it's categorized, which is kind of weird,

two and a half kilometers at 7%. That sounds like a hard climb to me. I wouldn't want to do that in a race. But before we talk about the stage, is Julia Chocone going to win a stage here? I mean, he was strong today. He was off the front.

He's pushing it. But you can tell he wants it potentially too bad because he's just blowing up every move. It looks starting to look not good for him. Well, you know, he's obviously in great shape. was probably the strongest guy of that breakaway. I think for tomorrow he has one problem and that his problem is called Jonathan Narvaise.

Yeah. For the stage win. Narvaise needs to be in the break. We say, you know, he already won three stages, but now he's going for the points jersey also. He probably will be in the break with the form he has. And then on a stage like tomorrow, it's more Narvaise terrain than Chikon.

terrain i think because those climbs are not if it's not for real climbers it's more like an whole rounder a puncher who can climb decently um so yeah i think tomorrow you know do it's it's it's hard as spencer i mean it's 3 250 meters so there's more innovation tomorrow than in today's mountain stage is double the distance almost but yeah uh still in the first climb it's hard it's 8k at 6% that's not an easy climb oh it's going to be difficult to be in the break so it's going to be strong riders and i i'm going to predict that both narvaise and chikone will be in there together with others the same guys again uh you know chris harper looked good and rubio looks good you know those guys are going to be there again you know um and then yeah let's see

but i think um i'm going to predict jonathan norvice for a fourth stage win and be tied tied with yonos tomorrow for in terms of stage wins i yeah i think that's a good pick i'm the only only thing is I'm going to pick Chaconay. I don't feel good about it because I feel like he is telegraphing everything too much. But if Narvice has to go for these sprint points, the sprint point is on top of a 5K long climb. I just worry it's hard to be sprinting mid stage and that you see it with KOM all the time. But then that's also Chikone. He's sprinting for every KOMM point. It's hard to do that and win the stage. I'm going to go Chikone. That climbs pretty tough. I think this is the stage for Chikone. If he's going to win when. I think stage 20 is going to be a lot harder. I think stage 18 is going to be

too easy. That could be in our vise stage as well. But I'm going to go Chaconay. I've been trying a different strategy this, this zero, not that complex. I wait for the summit finishes and then I bet on Jonas and going pretty well. Like, yeah, I couldn't believe today. He was a plus 175 on draft Kings. So you almost triple your money. Yeah. And I kind of wonder, like, are the books not fully calculating that correctly? Like, maybe they didn't anticipate Visem to pay so hard, but on 113 kilometers stage, it's much easier versus tomorrow, 202 kilometers. It's very hard.

There is always the possibility that a breakaway gets clear. And then all of a sudden, this must have, you know what, you know, we're not going to spend the whole team on this, which I think will be the case tomorrow. Yes, exactly. You know, tomorrow, if you look at Jonas, tomorrow is his office. They're not going to be up there, I think it's going to be very, very high. And you see this, I mean, they don't have to control it. They shouldn't control it.

That's going to be a long stage, like over five hours, probably, if not around five hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you see this like. Dragging up from Lombardia to the base of the Dolomites is almost always a breakaway stage. So I would expect it to be the same tomorrow. Yeah. All right, Johan, well, do you have anything else on the stage? Not really.

I mean, listen, good comeback, good performance of Derek G. I would say, you know, he was 15 the stage. You know, he's not been there yet at this level. For one reason or the other, he was, you know, sometimes a bit below expectations. But today, he did a great stage today, I think. And he gets closer in the top 10. Is he seven or eight now? He's six.

I think moves up three spots. Yeah, sixth. So that's pretty good. You know, that's where he belongs. You know, he's, Derek G is, you know, like four, fifth or sixth normally in this type of race. So it's going to be great for his morale. And the key, he puts two minutes into a Laleo and he's two, like two minutes, a little under two minutes behind him currently. Yeah.

So he could probably finish fifth if he continues. He could. Yeah. Definitely can finish fifth. Yeah. Which is a good. That's like to think about where Derrick. started fourth of the jir d'etalia for fast word 12 years fifth with yonis like well that's not so bad it's

like well a lot happened in that 12 months especially the especially what happened in between you know like the offseason the uncertainty about the team uh then i think a crash probably in in catlunia if i'm if i remember correctly or something happened to him i don't remember what i think it was a crash in catalonia yeah yeah uh you know which which affects people more than you know you like Oscar only crashed out of pari knees i believe and then didn't break anything but it affects but if you don't break up anything people just kind of like yeah whatever he'll get over but it does affect you and it affects how you then prepare for sometimes man if you have an injury a lingering injury that you can't really find you put your finger on it and uh sometimes it's actually even

better to have a fractured bone yeah you know exactly how long it's going to take to heal rather than something that you're trying to to feel like knee injuries are like this. You know, there's some guys that are out with knee injuries two, three, four months. Yeah. It's better to break an arm, man. It is.

It is. And it's so like the soft tissue injuries are so hard to come back from. Like look at Nielsen Palace. That guy's been on and off for two years at this point with a soft tissue knee problem. Just a personal question for you. Do you prefer this exhibition we're getting from Jonas? Or would you prefer him not to be here

and we're going into stage 17 with Gall, Aronsman, and Henley all within a minute of each other for the lead. I prefer, I prefer you on us. I mean, a grand tour deserves a champion winner. Not saying the others, but, you know, yeah,

I think it's better for the sport, man, if the big names win the races. It's better. I do tend to agree with you on that. You would think it wouldn't be that way, but I even think, think the viewing numbers bear, obviously the end of last year's year was unbelievable. And those are some big personalities like Carapas,

Olympic, you know, he's an Olympic champion. Del Toro up and coming Simon Yates, he's won a grand tour. So it's not like these were nobodies. But I do think the viewing numbers tend to be better when you have a dominant superstar, which you would not think. You would think it would be the other way around, but Denmark's going to be dialed in on this zero. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So well. Yeah. Well, thanks, and we will talk tomorrow about stage 17 and then preview stage 18.