THEMOVE - How Far Can Evenepoel Go? | TdF 2026 Stage 16 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 21, 2026

Lance, George, Sir Bradley, and Spencer Martin (aka The Professor) break down Remco Evenepoel's dominant Stage 16 time trial performance to take his second straight stage win and solidify second place overall behind Tadej Pogačar, Florian Lipowitz's race-ending crash, and how Isaac del Toro held off a surging Paul Seixas to set up a thrilling battle for the White Jersey. They also discuss new information about the middle-of-the-night testing protocol involving Vingegaard and Pogačar, preview Wednesday's stage, and take listener calls before answering yesterday's Ventum trivia with a new question to close. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Ekoi: https://www.ekoi.com/en-us/?utm_source=partner&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=podcast-weedu_us Kineon: Use code THEMOVE for $50 off or go to https://kineon.io/THEMOVE Fatty15: Fatty15 is on a mission to support Healthy Aging for All, including all ages and stages of life. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to https://fatty15.com/THEMOVE and using code THEMOVE at checkout. Ventum: Use code TheMove10 for 10% off anything at: https://ventumracing.com/ Eight Sleep: Use code THEMOVE at https://eightsleep.com/themove for up to $350 off. 30 days to try it at home. Free returns if it's not for you.

If that's your fight, if anti-doping is your fight, and this is one of your solutions, and at some point you realize that it's not enough, they're not doing enough, let me just tell you the next step from here. That's not 1 a.m. or 3.30 a.m. The next step from here is the riders are obligated to stay in a local rehab facility, a local jail. We will control them and stare at them 24. And that would be effective. That is, that is, that would be 100% effective.

Yeah. That's the next step from here. So if you, if everybody's cool with that, well, then I have at it. But that's, that's next. And we are back. Welcome back to the Move podcast. I'm Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins, Sir George Hinkapy, and the professor, Spencer Martin. Today's a big day.

It's a day of the root canal. Cool. So, George, it's been great having you this year. Yeah. Thank you. We got the substitution all sorted out. Probably won't be able to talk tomorrow. We are talking about stage 16. Boy, I mean, flying.

It's almost over. Time flies. Alain, what happened today? Stage 16? from Evian Lebaugh to Tonou Lebaugh. From Evian Lebaugh to Tonoulebaugh. Perfect. Remco, Vanu...

I mean, fantastic. Two stages in a row. Spencer, you sort of floated this while we were watching. I never thought about it this way, but it's worth a discussion. You said, is Remko the greatest time trialist ever? Now, I guess that you were basing that on what, three world championships and Olympic gold, you know, seemingly undefeated. And just how, yeah, unstoppable is head to head.

Like, I guess relative dominance to the rest of the field. Three world championships and counting, you would assume. So if like, you know, Cantralar won four, if he gets five, six world championships, that's. Yeah, but you have to remember that the world time trial title only came. into existence in 1994. So their likes of Greg Lamonde, Miguel Indurain, didn't get to compete in multiple world championships. The Olympic title only became open to the professionals in 96,

so Indurain won that. So we're talking about a fairly new discipline in terms of world titles and Olympic titles. And you go back to the likes of Jacques-on-Catil, who was dominant in time-triling. Eddie Merckes was dominant in time-trialing. We're not seeing the full picture, but Remko, you have to say,

is the best of his day. And we'll be up there with anyone in the past. Here's an unscientific way to think about. When's the last time you can remember him losing a time trial? It's actually hard to think off the top of your head. Not only that, but a natural time trial specialist, but he's also got the powerhouse brand specialized behind him, doing a lot of R&D on just himself as a rider,

like his individual position. I mean, they spent a lot of time in the tunnel. I don't think the guys in the past had that much attention. from their bike supplier. It's very difficult to compare. And then you look at someone like Chris Baldwin, he's almost identical to Remco. If you look back at the prolog in Lille in 94,

Bordman changed the game in terms of aerodynamics. He was way ahead of his time. And so it's very difficult to compare based on the technology that's available now, the aerodynamics and things like that. That said, you still got to get through this course. I mean, we saw a guy like Lipowitz, Pogritzra, one of the best bike handlers in the world,

almost crashed. I mean, he's got to have total composure, the pressure of the world on him, Belgium national, what was it, day or something like that. But, I mean, and he still pulls it off. So he's, I mean, have an incredible tour to France right now. It's super impressive. It's the latest time trial win he's had in a grand tour.

And I'd say combined with the climbing performance on stage 15, it's the best I've ever seen Remko, at least in a stage racing. And when we see that guy get momentum, like, look what he did at the Olympics. I mean, won the time trial, a rode away from everybody on the road race. And now he's got that momentum, two stage wins. back to back heading into a hard final week. He's looking good. I feel like Red Bull and Boar has got to be really happy with where they're doing.

And you left one thing out. You touched on Lipowitz crashing and crashing out of the tour. I mean, I think that's a big deal for Remko. And I don't even, I still don't understand that. Or maybe I do. But these are two in a row, the internal threat, whether whether or not he was named the leader or whatever is it was there but now it's gone

I think he shapes up nicely look at you look at the GC sitting firmly in second right he is a long ways behind Pogachar anything can happen we saw Pogi Pogi didn't just slip a wheel he slipped both wheels on the same corner that Lippowitz yeah not a 10 guys are going down yeah that was I mean we're watching this going whoa whoa there's no need and even he said it in his post race interview that that he knew that he was far enough behind

No reason to take risk. Just ride conservatively. Nonetheless, still, I mean, I thought the course was questionable at best. Absolutely questionable. Thoughts on that we can get into later. But Remko, four and a half minutes down, Del Toro sitting in third. Six-51 down. So he's got a comfortable lead.

He's got the momentum. He's won two stages in a row. I think three or four days ago, we would have said he's going to lose 10, minutes one of these days, I now don't think that happens. Yeah. Back to your, I know you guys were questioning the course. I kind of like, personally I liked it. I mean, yes, time trial is about holding that power, having the most aerodynamic

position, but also getting around these corners. It makes it to me a bit more exciting, a bit more technical. You're at 190, 100, 200 heart rate, and you still have to have the composure to set up the perfect line in these technical, corners, I think it makes it exciting. Yeah, and that isn't my issue. I don't know how, you know, I get up real early and watch the stages. You might have been.

You were probably slipping in and getting ready for the root canal. I was up early. The early riders were having to navigate through people that were crossing the course. Oh, yeah, on the climb, yeah. On the downhills. On the crosswalk. People just, there was a crosswalk. They were letting people cross in front of the course.

You imagine that in a car rate? I mean, obviously, if you want to cross the course and you want to manage spectators, which we have to have, it's great that they're there. But it's even better that we know how to manage them. That's either a tunnel or a bridge. You cannot go across the course when guys are, look, I mean, they showed the motto behind Rimcoe is going 96 kilometers an hour at one point downhill. Folks, for those who sit around driving an MPH, that's 60 miles an hour. You cannot have humans, spectators, fans, supporters crossing the actual course. That's crazy.

That is crazy. It's almost is like a hypnosis too at a race where people tend to cross right when the riders get close. I don't know what it is about it, but you'll see it like you'll see it happen where they, it's like, they wait, wait, they go right when the riders are going. I don't think the average person understands how fast this Peloton goes. We've seen it in the past with people trying to take photos. And what they're focused on is the lens of the phone. They're focused on the camera. So that's not a true indication of depth.

And these guys are going fast. So it's, and it surprises people. And nonetheless, I mean, I thought if you just looked at the profile, you looked at the dynamics of the race, the nice climb at the start. I do like a technical run in. but make those corners safe. I also think it falls on the riders too. I mean, we have to say these guys, and I know we were really,

I'm sure you were too, Bradley, it's one thing to know a course, and it's one thing to preview a course. But when you do, I mean, you can do it a time or two easy, but then in your brain you have to identify, I say, okay, I just went around this corner at 20 kilometers an hour. In the race, I'm going to be going 40 kilometers an hour, on, you know, whether it's one, two, or five different,

corners, you have to turn around and say, okay, now I'm going to take this at race speed and see, because that is, that's, that's a different video game. Yeah, for sure. And the problem with doing that is, is, is, there's only a certain time within the day that you can see the course when it's fully closed. And also where it's barrier, where it's, you know, so the corner that they all crashed on, well, two of what Taddy nearly crashed on, but, uh, Lipovitz crashed on. You, he was going to the other side of a, of a central reservation.

which is why it was so heavily padded and, you know, so things like that, if no matter how many times you preview it, if you preview it in open roads, you don't know which way they're going to bury it to take that line. So it's very, very difficult. Taday actually said in his post-race interview

that the corner that he wanted to look at where Lippovich crashed, he couldn't see properly because there was organization cars on that corner. So when he came to the corner, he didn't realize that it was quite as challenging as it was. But at the same time, it's also the director's responsibility to see. I agree. Titania was leading. He was in the hospital.

Hatsi, obviously he did a really good time. They had a follow car. It's their job to make notes of that corner. Like, okay, this is a sharp corner. It kind of closes in on you on the way out. Like, they need to be reminding their top guys that constantly. I mean, this is how we would have operated. I know this is the way you guys would have operated.

The first rider that went through there, even if he was guy number eight on the team, he's still going fast through that corner. And they see it. That is an APB. Yep. Right? That's an all points bulletin where you immediately tell everybody. everybody and constantly reminding these guys, hey, Florian, you are 500 meters from that corner.

Yeah. Anyways. Let's talk about the move of the day. I think we're all going to, you know, this is probably a unanimous one. Maybe not. The move of the day brought to you by eight sleep. The pod by eight sleep is a smart mattress cover that easily goes on top of existing mattresses. Heats are cools with each side of the bed independently, anywhere from 55.

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world champion, Olympic championship, to execute a ride like that in the way that he did with the pressure that's on him, of course, and a lot of itself, you know, put pressure on himself. Brilliant, right. But I also want to give a special mention to Skelmos. Yeah, I think that's pretty best time Charlie's ever done. Yeah. By the way, finished third on the stage.

Yeah. I mean, for you folks out there that bet, I mean, that would have been the bet. I mean, nobody saw that coming. Hell of a ride. Yeah, that's my ride, the move of the day with Skalmos. Fighting this whole last two weeks with the top 10 overall in G.C. You know, didn't have one easy day. Comes out with an incredible ride and comes out of the rest day.

hot, which indicates he's going to have a really good final week. You saw the top, the race for second is still on, y'all. And it's going to be one of the most exciting podium races we've seen in a long time. And I think it's, yeah, it's going to be good to watch. When Spencer gives us his move of the day, I'm going to talk about some other races that are going to get exciting. I mean, just to Zag, I want to, I'm acknowledging Remko had a great ride. Yep. Del Toro, I thought a huge ride that no one will talk about.

Like, people thought he was going to lose a lot of time to Paul Sixthus, hold that third position, that's huge for the white jersey and podium. And for that podium, 20 seconds now between the on G.C. I mean, talk about a race we're going to have this week and how Taday's going to manage that situation, the dynamic, because he's obviously chasing the wind with Remko hot on his tail, if you're like, I know he's four and a half minutes down, but,

but how much of that, how much he's going to have to help his teammate trying to get on the podium? Because we saw, we saw that the first sort of bits of that the other day on that climb, didn't we? Yeah. We can't discount 19-year-old sex, I still in there amongst the best guys. in the world two weeks into a five days to go first grand tour

I mean he just continues to impress incredible well these are this is what I was going to say the three races right this is going to be fun to watch this fight for the podium and within that podium right the fight for second right that's if you're gonna if you had to

agree to be on the podium you'd rather be second than third so that's going to be interesting to the white jersey these people look these races aren't interesting if the guys don't care Paul Seychos and Isaac Deltoro, they care. Like, this is going to be a real race.

So let's watch it unfold. And third, and this is one that I'm not sure that people care about, so I need some help from the team here. Team classification. Now, I'm not sure if what I'm looking at on my screen is accurate. Little Trek only has a 23-second lead over Team UAE, which is not a lot after two and a half weeks. You've got to go down 46 minutes to find the third place team.

two-team race. So does UAE care? Yeah, I would think. Because they had, they had guys ride hard today just for that. Like feelings, then they do care. Grosartner,

he should have sat up and taken it easy, right? Because he's got a lot of work to do the rest of the race. They had him ride hard specifically for the team. Yeah. Well, then, I mean, that's, there's no doubt. That can influence a race. Spencer spoke about it earlier.

Like, how important is that for the team? For guys like myself that have done tons of Tour de Francis, have helped you win Tour de Francis, like to be on the podium with your teammates and Paris. That is an amazing feeling and you're going to work your ass off to try to get that feeling. Secondly, I want to point out, like, how are the tactics going to change within UAE? Because is Pocotra going to go all in to help Deltoro stay on the podium? Or is he going to continue to try to win stages? What happens? If Remco drops Del Toro, does Pagachar go with Remko or stay with Deltoro?

Yeah, I mean, that's going to make this race very dynamic. It's a no-brainer. I mean, he has to go with Remko. Well, I'm in the old jersey. So now we're in, I'll take you guys into my world into the newsroom. Yeah. And this is beautiful because let's say he goes with Remko. Oh, he's a traitor to his team. He left Del Toro.

They're going to write these stories. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. This is beautiful. That's because they're cycling journalists. Oh, it's. Yeah. And we saw, we saw, we saw, we saw, we saw, we saw two days ago when he's on the radio.

It was like, can I basically, can I go harder? And Del Tor's like, no, don't drop me. Yeah. So how is that going to change in the final week? I mean, he can drop them if he wants to. he probably can drop Remko if he wants to he can go for stage wins or is he going to go all in to help Del Toro?

This is going to change. We don't know the answer but it's going to change the tactics dramatically in this last week of the tournament. Bradley, what's he do? I think he just continues riding like he's done in the first two weeks and throws everything to the wind

and goes himself and Del Toro can stay with Remko behind. Yeah, fend for yourself. That would be the most fun and that kind of makes sense because Remko would be a de facto teammate for Del Toro because he never changes his pace, just stay on that guy's

We'll follow him in. But I don't know. I have a bad feeling that Tate is going to not do a lot, I think. Like, right? Just play defense, unfortunately. Deltoro needs Tade to remain in that podium position, I think. You really need them. Just to go back to the team thing for a second, I have to say, I am shocked at the performance of team Nios.

I mean, here with the legacy, with the history, you know better than anybody, Bradley. Yeah. With the budget. we talked about this time trial. We talked about, maybe, you know, it's two plus weeks into the tour,

Ghana would logically show some fatigue. This team is non-existent. This team, they had a rider missed the start today. I mean, this is a $40 million year budget with all the history, all the legacy,

all the wins, sort of this Swiss precision. This is a team that is rudderless. I mean, If the tour ended today and we were handing out grades, pretty clear what the grade is. Yeah, I mean, look, they did lose Oscar-Oenely coming into this race, didn't they? And he was their big transfer, winter transfer, big GC rider. To solve this exact problem.

Yeah. And, you know, he had a horrendous crash in the Dofinae. Yeah. So they had to rethink their strategy in a couple of weeks. Kevin Vocelan seventh last year, I believe, or eighth last year. He was sick coming into the race. So, you know, got off to a bad starting the prologue with the puncture as well as being sick. And so they've kind of been a team without a cause, really, since then.

Bernalb is drafted in at the last minute to replace An Lee. Of course, he did the Giro. So it's been challenging for them. But one thing we did say was a team that size, you know, a team with that bigger budget, the team with that many riders, it seems funny that they were scrubs. traveling around at the last minute for a replacement, having lost Oscar. The best rider at this race is time in Arnsman.

You did the Giro. Yeah. He won two stages last year, didn't he? Yeah. But that's what I was going to say. Like he did the Gero, probably a little bit off in the beginning of the tour. Did a great time shot today. Really good time.

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And I forgot to take care of business. It's a question for Colton. Do we need to go for our two and 32 or can we push it a little bit? Oh, yeah. I'm glad I'm not manning that. Colton, we're going to blame Colton for all this. You keep going a little bit. Let's do it at 22.

Okay. Unless we don't have anything to say. Well, I was going to ask you guys, why are the big time trial specialists not good on days like today? I think they're just exhausted. Two and a half weeks. Yeah. I mean, did the Giro. I mean, typically today's course is really good for a guy like that.

But they just must be crawling in their hands and knees. It's, yeah, no matter. Who knows what their season was like? Like before, if you had done another grand tour, that takes it out of you. It's been two and a half weeks. It's been incredibly hot. This is a hard time trial, too. You saw Remco.

I mean, Remco just chewed up the road. Yeah. It's not like starting a world championships on this course where you come in perfectly prepared and you're tapered and you're just ready to go right when they say go. I just think they're... It's a funny day the time trial at the tour. You know, it's a very long drawn out of fare from the first guys that are going off that are way down the GSI. to the last guys, you know, it's four or five hours.

So, you know, arriving at the start two hours before your start time, if you're way down on GC and going off, it's quite a casual affair. All the staff are kind of, and there's not that intensity and hype. I mean, we didn't see many people today with, like, the cooling buckets and things that we saw at the start in Barcelona. It's almost a kind of trimmed down affair where it's like, oh, God, here we go. I'm going to treat, do I go full gas on this one?

And am I going to beat Avaeventa poll at the end who's really got something to race for? And so it does favor different people. Yeah, you think probably 20% of that whole entire Peloton are actually going for it. Yeah. And think they might have a chance to get a top 10. The rest of the guys are just like, just get to the finish line, try to recover for the next day. And someone like Ghana, we'll go through the motion to the warm up and he'll go out there and go, I'll see how I feel. You know, once I'm out there, I'll know how I'm feeling whether I'm on one or not.

And often this far into a race, you don't know until you get out there. Yeah. Yeah. And he has no time checks. Yeah. Right. So he's out there early, you know, going off one of the first guys. He's not able to compare himself to a guy like.

I mean, Remko has, Remko and Pogi, they are in the best position. They know every time check and they know there's nobody really behind them. Tade said it. He went through the first time check or the time check at the top of the climb and they told him you're 15 seconds down. What does that say? His brain could tell him two things. Go harder and try to make up 15 seconds and win the stage. Or, hey, buddy, I got five minutes.

Go easier. Be conservative. Do not hit the deck. Just get to the finish line and get second in the time. trial. Yeah. And then a lot of these guys would have had a nice mental rest day yesterday, not thinking about the time trial. And then today, they'll be thinking about tomorrow's stage, which goes straight up here at the start. You know, and it's just, that's what the Tour de France does. Yeah. Well, we're going to talk about tomorrow stage. We are now, yep, we're going to take our

232 for our friends at peacock. We'll be our back. And we are back. Before we get into talking about tomorrow's stage, stage 17, continues to be, I think as there should be a lot of discussion about the situation with Tadey Pocachar Jonas Winkigard, the 2 a.m.

and the 5 a.m. drug control tests in the middle of the night. Not on a rest day. In the middle of the bike race. It continues to, the wheels continue to turn here. A lot of talk. A lot of new information

that apparently there was there was an article that came out that said, the testing agency had to go to a French federal judge and get sign off to be able to go do this. Now, that's kind of all we know or can read into it. It's been interesting. You know, there's, I think most people, even most people involved in the sport, were like, no, this is crossing the line.

And, of course, this is cycling. So, right, so you get these other people that are like, yep, Absolutely. Wake them up anytime. I think they are stone cold fools for thinking that, straight up. But it's just, you know, if I am walking through my day, and I was, I was on a golf course yesterday in the middle of nowhere. If a caddy at a golf course in the middle of nowhere is asking me about this because he heard about it or read about it, there's your answer. this is crazy. Nobody would agree to this.

Nobody. And Bradley, I'm seeing reporting that it was on Saturday. That's when they went to the judge. Okay. So I would love to know what evidence, like, they presented to that judge? Yeah. I don't know. I guess if you're the judge, though, it's low risk because you're not the one getting woken up at two.

So, yeah, sure. Testament, too. There's probably a low threshold there, I would assume. The interesting, too, no. Listen, if that's your fight, if anti-doping is your fight, and this is one of your solutions, and at some point you realize that it's not enough, they're not doing enough, let me just tell you the next step from here. That's not 1 a.m. or 3.30 a.m.

The next step from here is the riders are obligated to stay in a local rehab facility, a local jail, we will control them and stare at them 24-7. And that would be effective. That would be 100% effective. That's the next step from here. So if everybody's cool with that, well, then I have at it. But that's next. And I think that's a good example.

Obviously, an extreme one. But people are saying, oh, it's effective to Testament too. It's like, yeah, definitely. But at what cost and where's the line here? Like someone sent me NBA players get tested four times a year, but two weeks notice. That's a little lax. I was going to say that. Like, if you're going to do that, it has to be across all sports, not just like, which would never happen.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That silence you hear is exactly right. It's called speechless. This is nuts. It is.

Yeah, George brings up a good point. Why is it just a cycling? Yeah. I mean, obviously we've, we've had the most history in that sense. But, I mean, if it's an independent organization doing the testing, then why just focus on one sport? It should be all the sports and clearly the other sports, but would never accept it or it wouldn't happen. Well, they're picking on a weekling, basically. Yeah.

Vulnerability. All right. On that note, let's talk about stage. I tell you, it's just, this is crazy. Anyway, stage 17. Let's look at it. This one, another strange one. Another strange one.

It's a really strange stage. Yeah. I'll tell you, it's good for it. It's good for these guys that, that, that, that, uh, for my favorite jersey. It's good for those guys. It's good for those guys that, listen, we can all agree who the best climber in the race is. But there's guys nipping at his heels for that jersey competition. This is perfect for them.

They're going to be warming up. They're going to go from K-0. They're getting the brakes. You get a 4-4-3-4 points right there in terms of categories. That's not much compared to the categories. These guys take them where they can get them. But it's interesting. I think the stage is focused on like really breakaway specialist stage.

Very hard to predict who's going to make it. But we know the guys that are riding well in this last part of the Tour de France. They're going to be there. The caribouses, all these guys going for a really complicated stage. I think it's going to be really. exciting to watch. Interesting that sprint how late it is on in the stage. Yeah. They've shifted them

back here in the last week. We had two or three days where it was very early. The teams could control it now. They'll just have to, they're going to have to play their cards, try to get in the breaks. By the way, the point competition for my favorite jersey, Tari Pogach, who is the best climber in the race, is leading.

He has 70 points. Valentin Père Pontre has 45 points. He will be in the break tomorrow. Yeah, he's a stud too. He's Such a good sprinter for how light he is. By the way, too, Carapass sitting at 39 points. He will also be on the break tomorrow. Bet all your money on that.

You know who else? Pedersen. Captain America. With, with Matt's Patterson, probably. Probably, yeah. Yeah. Well, on that note, George, I also, I printed out the rest, all the detailed information with the rest of the stage.

Went to the hot tub yesterday. I was peeking ahead. Gee. Where are you going with this? What a rest day Spencer had. And it started, Bow, but this is a crazy thought.

So Quinn Simmons is going to be up there. Is this a sprint stage? No. No. No. It's a perfect stage for Quinn Simmons. Yeah. Actually, it is.

But he better play his cards right. No TV attacking. By the way, the TV is also at the finish line. Wait for that. This is a perfect stage for him. I'm going to say no. comment on that one because I'm hyping your boy I agree but he he goes with everything I mean and sometimes you have to to be able to make those moves or and even he's got to do not only try to make

the breakway but he's got to worry about his green jersey guy and Matt's Patterson and his overall guys there's a lot of stuff that he isn't responsible for but the last categorized climb is about 80k from the finish you don't think Alpison can get together and pull that back I mean it's a great Day for Vanderpull, too. I don't know what he did in the TT today, but he could certainly be up there in the breakaway. It's one, that hard breakaway stage, a couple, last week. So they have a chance. I think

it might be a bit too hard for Philipson, and it's about, it's very rolling coming into the finish as well. So it definitely suits a guy like Vanderpull. I'm going down, here we go. 96th time draw. Which he had an amazing time trial towards West. He probably took it easy thinking about tomorrow stage.

So those guys come to the line, Vanderpull. Quinn Simmons, who's winning? Wait, is it the two of them or is there a group? There are two amongst 10 or they're just the two? Not many people know this. Quinn Simmons has got a really good sprint. No, he's very fast, very strong, long sprint. Obviously, Vanderpoll is one of the best in the world,

and especially at a race like tomorrow. But man, that would be a tough one. You shouldn't have said that. You should say, like, man, not many people know this, but he's really slow. He's actually terrible sprinting. I think this is going to be the first stage we see how Vismanel race the rest of the tour as well.

This is going to be the first stage that the handcuffs are off. Exactly. You've got the likes of set course. Yorgensen and their attempt to pick up a stage in this last week. And they have the riders as well. They have the riders and they have to get a stage one.

They went all in on the Beneguard bucket. Now they got a pivot and get a stage one. They won the opening time for all. Even Pekanzoli. You know, he's, he did a good TT today for a while. Probably. stage 18 or 1920 for Paganzoli. But something like Jorgensen, this is great for him.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just did take a peek ahead for stage 18. But that might, actually, you talk about Sepkous and Jorgensen, guys like that.

Stage 18 actually suits them, I think, a little better, but they also suits a lot of others. Yeah. You know how long it's been since an American on a stage at the tour? Yeah, we talked about this.

Bradley Wiggins was there. right in sepcoe and enduring 2021 yeah it's been a while yeah need one all right let's uh let's take some callers we'll take we're gonna do what let's do two calls today um line is still open give us a shout leave us a voicemail number nine seven zero seven one eight two seven three six nine seven zero seven eight two seven three six coltland who's on the line Hey guys, Alan from New York, long-time listener. Question about Jonas' crash road furniture, I think made a huge difference. Can you comment on this case and in the past the lack of control for a definitive road furniture policy?

Love the show, thanks. Thank you. Well, I mean, there was a time where lots of these towns would take up the road furniture, take out. Take out the road furniture. So retarmack the route for a safe passage of the route. And it seems that they've got away from that. I agree. And I guess that is, you know, the cost of it in these local towns.

And someone's got to pay for that. But it has put more danger on the riders and the peloton. Yeah. Yeah, who knows? I mean, it's hard to tell. It looks like they were following the motorbike. The first three guys got around. Jonas had to sort of adjust on that last minute corner.

They went to the left instead of the right. And like, who knows what was going on his head? A lot of pressure. they need to stage win and you just make mistakes. And he didn't sleep the night before. Somebody was banging on his door at 2 a.m. I'm not going to stop talking about this. The other thing, maybe there's been additional footage of it,

but when I was watching in the footage that was available, it wasn't, they weren't really, there was some coverage of it. It was hard to see. So it's also hard to say. But I'm with you. I mean, I remember the day. I mean, let me just lay this out for you how this works, right?

The tour, the route. Every small town or village in France wants the race. They certainly want a start or a finish, but they'll do anything to have the race just come through their town. So with that, there's economics involved, and that's certainly for the starts and finishes. In the old days, yes, if you want to pay to have a finish, that's the marquee ticket item for that day. Then they would. And you have seen it fairly recently. I mean, they will pay. a road right down the middle of a big roundabout if it's close to the finish. And then after that, they'll go back and cover it up and put the flowers there.

And it's a roundabout again. But it does seem to me that they're doing less and less, well, two things. One, there's more and more traffic for our road furniture than ever. There's like significantly more, even than when Bradley won. Yeah. I mean, that's the way municipalities control traffic and keep people in the lane that they're supposed to be in and manage the flow. but there's just more and more of it.

But it also, I'm with you. I think they're just doing less and less of this sort of deconstructing and then eventually reconstructing this road furniture. Well, there was a time that they would retarmack the whole of the time shop. That's right. Yeah.

Fresh tarmac. Who would pay for that? Well, I guess it was part of the city. The city having a city. If you're going to pay for the finish, then you should be prepared to pay for the repaving of a road. road. That was probably the cause of the crash of Lipovich today. We understand there was quite a few

ripples. This is exactly what I was going to say. Yes, I mean, people are going to watch this. And if they don't watch it closely, they're going to see all the white paint. We all know what the white paint means, especially if it's been dry. It is slicker. Certainly, if it rains, it's like ice. But if you look closely, that road just had some wave to it. His, I think that it was just the uneven nature of that particular corner that started his slide. Guys, let's not forget. We're talking about European cycling. I mean, how many road furniture or splits in the pavement? Like, that's our lives.

That's pro-cycling. Like, you have to know. That's always been. Always. I mean, I don't remember not having any road furniture. Remember the days when we started the tour in Holland with a thousand roundabout, road furniture everywhere. In the middle of the rest, they have a lot of safety measures.

They have motorbikes ahead flagging it down. I'm not going to say there's more or less right now, but it's always been a part of the tour. I don't remember it being different than that. You're both right and wrong. It has been a part of the tour. And I think everybody would agree that it's okay. If that 95% of the route, we have to navigate those things. That final 5, 10%, where it's dangerous, where the speeds are high, where everything's on the line,

this was Bradley's point. And I actually agree with it that in the past, they would make a big effort to go through and clean all that up and then reconstruct it. I just think they're not doing that anymore. But in the past, would they do it? We're talking about 50K, what was it? 50K to go. Now, Jonas's crash. I see it, like, maybe towards the finish, last 5K, but I don't remember any changes, 100K to go, 50K to go.

But towns are, have never been poor. Like all over the Western world, these towns are broke. They have no money to do anything. And they're probably looking at ASO. Like, you're making more money than ever. Why am I going to, we don't have enough taxpayer dollars to do basic services. Why are we going to rip up a road for the tour? I can tell you where that discussion is going to end.

You think the emphasis on bikes, tires, wheels, aerodynamics and all this, the bikes are outdated in the road surfaces now at times. Yeah. You know, it's not like a track or a velodrome where it's, you know, everything's prim and proper. Yeah. Okay, yeah. But Garret Thomas had a decent point. Who was making the race fast right there?

Vizma. Yes. Why? Victor Kemperin. Why? Yeah. It's a decent question. Yeah.

Before he crashed. Look, go back in our notes, on our own personal notes that we were making about that stage, which we do each and every day. Before we wrote down, Jonas crashing out of the Tour de France, the note just on top of that was, why is Visima doing this? That was the next note up. That was back in our day that was unacceptable. If any of our guys that were pulling were taking wrists in the corners, you and Yohan would be like, what in the F are you guys doing? There's no need for this. I'd be screaming.

I'll never forget. George I still I still kind of hate him To this day because this cold That was the cold ass man Man it was raining And ya I love the rainy descent Yon was up there

He had Clody Clody go downhill on the rain With his eyes closed I was I was just right All breaks just please Don't crash George just Goes flying by me

I can't even see him after 5K I'm on the radio Literally I've never screamed that loud in my life What The fuck. Are you thinking? Get back here.

I was terrified. And I was okay. I was like fun. Bro, you give me a dry road. Watch out. I'll go with anybody. Man, the second there's a drop.

The kid from Plano, just, just. True story. Probably why you won seven tours. With a well championship in the rain. Well, that's when I was young.

That's when I was young. And you're fair point. I was young. I got older and I just, I got scared in the rain. Yeah. fair point. All right.

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Yep. Head on over to ventumracing.com slash the move. All right, Sunday's question. The Plateau de Solis Alameda's debut as a tour finish stage in 2015. We were talking about that, never done it. However, they did do it in the old Dauphine Libre. I'm just going to keep calling it Dauphine Libre. Yeah, that's it.

So they did it basically as a, I suspect, as almost a preview since the tour has never done it. Let's show the boys what this is like. The question was, who won that? Which promising young rider won there attacking 9K from the finish? The answer, Isaac Keltoro, who's featuring prominently in this tour. Today's question. Day 16 is an individual time trial. The discipline that has decided many a tour.

Sir Bradley Wiggins, one of the greatest time trials in history, won the 2012 tour to France, and then went on to win Olympic gold in the time trial just days later. What made that feat historically unique? What made that feat historically unique? both of those guys or that guy ended up on the move thank god yeah ventum racing dot com slash do you know the answer you should oh do you know the answer okay well don't say it's just a bit of a i didn't know the answer until this morning it's a bit of a lame stat based on what i said earlier i didn't think about that yeah huh i don't know it tomorrow you

have to answer that question what's that tomorrow he'll have to explain why yeah i will do yeah tune in tomorrow for the answer yeah people won't The explanation. Is that it? That's it. Bradley, you were wanting to get to Jim? No.

I will say last day. I will say last day, we've had the real pleasure for the last two and a half weeks plus of having Ben Wiggins here. I got to say, dad, wonderful kid. Thank you. I loved him the minute I met. I met him years ago in Majorca. And he just gotten better and better. So he's taken off.

Got to go back home and go back to work. I will say he's going back with an extra suitcase full of stuff. Swag. Shwag. I got him a rank. She's got the element stand that you put all the sachets on. Yeah. He's got a pair of flip flops.

And a real shot at the World Championships. Yeah, he's got his world championships in Montreal later. Yeah. We will be watching. But nice work, Dad. Yeah. Ben, good having you around, dog. All right.

Everybody, thanks for tuning in. We'll see you tomorrow morning.