THEMOVE - How Will Vingegaard's Absence Shape This Tour? | TdF 2026 Stage 15 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 19, 2026

Lance, Johan, George, Sir Bradley, and Spencer Martin (aka The Professor) break down Remco Evenepoel's win atop Plateau de Solaison ahead of Tadej Pogačar and Isaac del Toro, and discuss the shocking development of Jonas Vingegaard crashing out of the race before the final climb. They also speculate how the GC will play out with the battle for the podium wide open, how far Evenepoel can go, the news that Vingegaard and Pogačar were woken up in the middle of the night for drug testing, preview Tuesday's critical time trial, take listener calls, and answer yesterday's Ventum trivia before giving out a new question. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Ekoi: https://www.ekoi.com/en-us/?utm_source=partner&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=podcast-weedu_us Kineon: Use code THEMOVE for $50 off or go to https://kineon.io/THEMOVE Hexclad: For a limited time only, our listeners get 10% off your order with our exclusive link. Just head to https://hexclad.com/THEMOVE. Make sure to let them know we sent you! Ventum: Use code TheMove10 for 10% off anything at: https://ventumracing.com/ Eight Sleep: Use code THEMOVE at https://eightsleep.com/themove for up to $350 off. 30 days to try it at home. Free returns if it's not for you.  

Jonas Vinga Guard out of the Tour de France. Not great coverage. Kind of hard to see the crash. They caught bits and pieces of it. His team was on the front. I think that's sort of like they have been. Vizma just doing the job for UAE. Everybody was sort of a head scratcher.

But then just miscalculated a corner and about half the team went down, including Vingeguard out, look what appears to be a broken collarbone. And that's it. I mean, I think at the start of the tour, Sir Bradley, you said you didn't think he would finish the tour. I don't think this was what you were talking about. Nobody likes to see it, right? This is a guy. This is the former tour winner.

This is a Hall of Famer without a doubt that just leaves in the back of a van. It sucks. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Move podcast. We're talking about stage 15. a lot to talk about today. Really, a lot of not just today, but we're going to talk about some things that happened

in the middle of the night last night, which has really got us sort of reclimped over here. But before we do, Alain, what happened here? Because stage 15, just before Alain fires, whatever he says at the end of this thing, he's going to say, is the first time you've ever heard anybody say it. This is the first time the tour has finished on this summit finish. So go ahead.

Go for it, Alan. Stage 15 from Champagnol to Plateau de Solaison. From Champagneal to Plateau de Solaison. I feel like he even sort of struggled to that because we've never been there before. I'm Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins. Of course, to his left, Mr. George Hinkapby and the professor, Spencer Martin. Now, before we get in all the day's action, We have, I've touched on it a couple of times in the last few days.

Our friend here to the left has, it's terrible tooth. That's bad toothache. And now is going to have a root canal on Tuesday. So we are auditioning for sit-ins, sit-ins, fill-ins, substitutions. I don't think my man's going to make it on Wednesday. I'm going to make it. You're going to have so much cotton in your... You ever had a root canal?

No. So, anybody out there want to get up to Aspen? What time of day is it on Tuesday? Yeah, what, yeah? 2 p.m. Oh, no, that's late. Yeah. You're going to be so messed up on Wednesday.

No, I'll be fine. Well, anyhow, we shall see. We shall see. It's exciting day. I mean, I think some of it for the right reasons, some of it for the not so right reasons. Jonas Vingeguard out of the Tour de France. Not great coverage.

Kind of hard to see the crash. They caught bits and pieces of it. His team was on the front. I think that's sort of like they have been. Vizma just doing the job for UAE. Everybody was sort of, that was a head scratcher. But then just miscalculated a corner. And about half the team went down,

including Vingeguard out. look what appears to be a broken collarbone. And that's it. I mean, I think at the start of the tour, Sir Bradley, you said you didn't think he would finish the tour. I don't think this was what you were talking about.

Nobody likes to see it, right? This is a guy. This is the former tour winner. This is a Hall of Famer, without a doubt. That just leaves in the back of a van. It sucks. But what does it do to the rest of the race?

What does it do for the final week? I think that's what we were curious about. Very sad to see. I mean, I've been in that position. It's not nice leaving the tour. And I hope Jonas makes a full recovery. But what it did do after that point was it opened up the race suddenly for the podium. And we saw Remko coming to the fore.

We saw Lipovitz getting dropped. Seiksaac getting dropped. And it actually made for a very exciting race within the absence of Visma for the first time in how many years. But yeah, what a stage. But Taday, I kind of feel like he didn't know what. to do today. There was an element of him trying to maybe ride Del Toro into position to win the stage. And when that didn't happen, it almost looked like he gifted the stage. I mean, I said with a K to go, Taday's going to gift the stage here and you went, what? What? It kind of jumped out your chair.

But it seemed that he did that. And I think Remko was quite, sorry, I think Taday was quite in mourning a little bit the loss of Jonas because he's quite sensitive soul, isn't he, Taday? And it clearly affected him. I felt like he was asking on the radio. He kept talking on the radio. He didn't quite know what to do. Well, I think he was checking on Del Toro status, my guess. Who crashed, we should say. Yeah, who also crashed.

But like you said, Bradley, that crash changed everything. It clearly opened up the race. Made it super exciting because I think if Yonis was there, they would have done the same thing, kept the speed really high. Jonas would have attacked. Maybe Del Toro, maybe Remko get a little bit dropped. And then Fogachar ends up outsprit in Yonis, something like that. Yeah, yeah.

completely changed the whole outcome of the race for a sad reason you don't want to see to be crashed but it is the tour de France you guys have raised many tour de France your job is to stay upright it's it's nobody's fault but it happens unfortunately it happens in this sport it does and we saw something that I don't know it's been a long long time since you've seen you saw just an overwhelming champion in Taday Pogart in the L Jersey with a five-minute lead just immediately pivot to be super domestic. Now, I'm watching this.

He's clearly riding for Del Tor. I think it's kind of a three-pronged action there. One, maybe set him up for the stage one. Two, Paul Sechoss was dropped, so get him back in the white jersey. And then three, move him up in the GC. But I've never, I mean,

and to see him at the front, just riding tempo, you imagine having a domestic like Tade Pogachar? Yeah. He wasn't even. George's like, oh, he's trying. He's, this is one-legged. he's that good, right? And so...

Well, but the conversation isn't about, are we going to be Poca Char? The conversation's like, who's getting second, or can we get a chance for a stage win? Like, even the top guys right behind Pochart, they don't even talk about him anymore. They talk about their rivals right behind them. Which will be even more exaggerated with Jonas out.

Yeah. Because now he's the only guy that probably cared about winning, and now everybody's racing for second. And it seemed like it invigorated that race. Yeah. Well, and you got to give it to Remko. I mean, he, I mean, it's one thing to be there, but there were others that weren't. I mean, and he's a tough cookie.

He's tough. I mean, internally, Lipowitz struggled, so internally within that team, Seishas dropped, Ayuso dropped. But in terms of those three things I was just talking about with Pocachar and Deltoro, they achieved two out of three. He moves clearly into the lead of the white jersey. He now sits in third on the classification. Now, this is all still tight, right? Rimco is second, five minutes down. You've got to go way down the G.C.

To find another five-minute gap. You've got to go all the way to Lenny Martinez, an eighth, roughly. Not even that, even more than that. So this race for second, third, white jersey, these are races. Well, and we've seen, like you said, you've got to give it to Remco, but you also got to give it to his team. Once the race went into disarray, losing Jonas, Red Bull took responsibility, started chasing down with Baharan. Kept the breakaway in check.

Super well represented in that group of like 30 guys. I mean, it's a huge win for them. Huge win in what we've seen with Remko in the past. When that guy gets on the momentum, like he goes on a tear. And let's not forget the time trial is Tuesday. That's right. I mean, in the second half of the show, we're going to jump into, it is not a rest day preview. It's going to be a stage preview, which is the time trial, which is going to suit perfectly for Remco.

It's also going to be interesting. having a time trial the day after a rest day. I think that's complicated. And a lot of people question Remko's climbing ability. He's won the wealthy before. Spencer, I think you said it was the fastest time ever up that climb or something like that. Yeah,

it's the first time it's ever been racing the tour. But still, they did race it recently. They raced it recently. So he's clearly there. He's improving. His climbing is improving. We note there's no question about his time trial skills.

This has become an exciting podium. It shows he has the building blocks. do it. Like, if he can climb well today, in theory, he could climb all any day, right? I don't quite understand. I question his climbing due to firsthand accounts of watching him not climb well, but he's proven us wrong. Yeah.

Well, there's, there's a lot of climbing left, but there's also a world where he wins two stages in a row, right? Today, rest day. And he seemed to be buzzing on that. Yeah, he was pretty fired up. No, he didn't. It's a little strange. Yeah.

Whereas today did. And obviously the hangover of that crash we're going to talk about. Well, let's not forget he did just win a mountain stage of the Tour de France's first ever mountain stage victory. I mean, I understand that he's not really concerned about anybody else. I mean, it's big. You're saying he didn't talk about you on us? I don't think he mentioned it. No, the interviewer.

But I'm just saying like, he did. He did? Remko did. Okay. Yeah. Well, even better. Yeah. Let's talk about the move of the day.

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He's remained focused. He hasn't. He hasn't had a head hasn't dropped off. And to come back today and do a performance like that on a mountain like that was superb. Yeah, so Remco. Rooka. I'm going to just keep going with my same thing. I'm Quinn Simmons, Captain America, Mr. Aggression, like never quits.

I know he has not won a stage, but man, this guy is always in the hardest moves of the day from the beginning normally. He's getting closer and closer. And just a slight change in tactics by UA, maybe he has a chance to win the stage. today. Also pointing out, I don't think he had any support from his team in the breakway today. He was getting waterballs from 3-6-5. This is hard to watch. It makes you no sense.

I think you're messing me, but like he doesn't the breakways the Tour de France. I mean, no, it's as if the team. They don't care about him. Maybe says, yeah, go right, you're right. So they always need. Not only that, let's point out. It's not self-supported. Yeah. Why is that, George? They have a car with muds

and they keep a car with them. I'm assuming they have a car with the green jersey and the car with Scalmos and I use, so. And let's not forget the job he did for Iuso. Once he got caught, no chance to win the stage anymore, he still has the strength to wave for Iuso and basically tome to the line until 400 meters ago. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I mean, the flip side of that is if Pedersen misses the time cut because he doesn't have support. A guy like Pedersen, let me, this guy is so strong. He can solo away in races like Gentwell, Wentworth, Flinders. Being in the group pedal for Matt's Perterson, not a big deal. Yeah, but I assume they'll have a spare bike for him if he has a trouble with his bike and things like that.

to do. My move of the day is Tadipagacar. I've never seen a yellow jersey. I'm with you, Spencer. Work for somebody before the second rest day. This is insane. I like the fact that we all have different moves of day. Do you have be yours? No, I'm with Spencer. I was going to say, if you were going to sit it out, I was going to say Taday. I just think it's incredible to see a guy. And I think he enjoys that. Like, you know, he's easily winning. He's looking for other things to keep it interesting for himself. for him, this is like, cool. I'll go to the front and set tempo and see if, I don't know, maybe we ride Remco off the wheel.

That was plausible. Now, Isaac Del Toro was, I think was perhaps because of the crash or whatever, but wasn't having the best day. But I thought it was a hell of a look. Which is funny, we say that because I thought the same thing, like, ooh, he looks so ragged. Put a minute almost into Paul Six-Soss and the rest of those guys. So that is a pretty good ride from him. Yeah. Yeah.

Anything to report nothing. I mean, the green jersey seems, I mean, we're still, they had the intermediates, these, at least for these two stages, the intermediate sprints were much earlier in the stage. So the risk of a breakaway was much smaller. Philipson wins both yesterdays and today's. Peterson gets second in both yesterday and today's. I feel like he's, and now after this, the intermediate sprints become, they're much later. in the stages.

So I feel like Peterson's got a grip on this. Unless your theory, it doesn't make a time cut, which I know. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, Little Trek seems worried about it. Like they were, they were having guys attack before the, maybe they just want a bigger cushion. But you would think, like Alp de Wes, the intermediate sprint on that day is after an HC climb. You'd have to imagine if Phillips, if Pedersen gets in the breakaway, it's game over. Then, I don't know if you guys noticed, but KOM shaped the race. And what's funny is Pagacha is going to win the KOM jersey.

But Karepa has missed the breakaway and made Eif pull the breakaway back. And it took forever for the breakaway to get away, which is why your guy got caught. Maybe if that doesn't happen, maybe Quinn Simmons wins because they get a bigger gap. That's the third week going into the third week of the Tour de France. I mean, all kinds of different races within the main race. And it makes the race super exciting and sometimes very unpredictable. Speaking of sprinters and DNFs, Tim Merlier did not finish. Apparently he was dropped very early on.

I mean, I think somebody was talking the other day like, what a rough last week to just be here. Like, I don't know why I'm here. Yeah. But it caught up to him. Nonetheless, he leaves with three tour stage wins. So he's going home a happy man. I just think it would be because he got dropped with Sorensvarnskold.

And who did finish. Who did finish. And the commentator was like, oh, he doesn't look. stress. I'm like, hey, he might not be stressed because he's thinking, why would I do this? I'm just going to get in the car. First feed zone. Yeah. Yeah. Today show brought to you by Hexclad. We've been using HexClad at the Armstrong House. And honestly, this hybrid cookware is an absolute game changer. Nothing sticks.

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That's E-Coy.com. Boom. How we doing? George, I have a question for you. Is Quinn Simmons the best climber on Little Trek? Because you look at that performance today. He's out front a long time and he finishes just a few seconds behind their two GC G-C guys on this climb.

How's that possible? Well, one, he's got the power to make those breakaways. Like, Quinn Simmons is not getting in a lucky breakaway. He's getting in selective breakaways. And he's got the endurance that keep doing it, climb after climb, after climb. I mean, you said on the second last time, he did it roughly around 440 watts. Yeah. Road away from Tom Piccock.

Tom Piccock, they caught him on the descent, but he still rode away from them in the last climb. I mean, he's right now he's climbing with top 10 guys in the Tour de France, I think. He's so consistently strong. I just thought, like, should he just be the G. Like, what are we doing? Well, considering how much effort he has put out in the first two plus weeks. If you think back, right, to the first two weeks and the amount of kilojoules that he's expended, I mean, I think he actually puts out too much. So if there was a little more reserve there.

Certainly today. Yeah. I mean, if he rode a little bit smarter today, how much further on the last climb does he go? Well, even don't, you don't attack the group. You let the group believe that you're all in it together. You work as hard as you can together to get to the bottom of the funnel climb and you try to win. I don't know why he attacked

before they got there. Well, he's not with Panacookin. You're with Adam Yates. You're with Tom Pitcock. You're willing. You have free reign to just say guys, I'm by the way, you don't have to be honest. Just say, I'm having a bad day.

He looks like he's having the time of his life. Yeah, I got to sit on. He's having the time of his life. That climb was packed with people. The climb was super steep. You're not getting much graphic. That's for sure. Draft in the breakaway anyway.

So he's like, I'm just going to do my pace. He did his pace, rode through the crowd. It wouldn't, the effort would have been about the same sitting behind Tom Piccock with all those people. I mean, he's got his own line. Into the valley. It was like, but he got caught right away on the dissent. I think he just sat up there once he got over the top. Who knows?

Yo, very impressive ride nonetheless. Physically, very impressed. Can't wait. Impressive. Johan's take on this of the move plus. When we come back, we're going to take a short break here in a second. But when we come back, second part of the show, I just want to touch on this month in sports, right?

Just such an incredible month in sports. Obviously, the World Cup, the opens going on, the Tour de France. We have a new world record in the mile as of yesterday. Wimbledon. Wimbledon. But where we're going to spend a little time in the second part of the show is something that happened to Yonis Vingegar last night at 2 a.m. And also happened to Tade Pogachar at 5 a.m. this this is we have to we have to talk about this so we're going to be back in two and 32 and we are back

as i alluded to as uh right before we went to commercial break there um you know i and i actually miss this i much to george's chagrin i went out for an early morning bike ride this morning um so i got down to the studio and and the boys uh told me that um which i actually have to think that this factors into Jonas' headspace and his rhythm of the day. But I was told that Jonas Wengigard had anti-doping control at 2 a.m. And the Tade had it at 5 a.m. Now, obviously, if you're going to choose one, you take the 5 a.m. They showed up at his room at 2 a.m., knocked on the door,

and woke him up in the middle of the tour of France, which I don't need to remind everybody here. But I'm going to say it again. This is the hardest sporting event in the world. Sleep is essential. Now, obviously, nobody here is going to be a proponent of not having controls. But this isn't a sporting issue now. 2 a.m. is a human rights issue.

I'm speechless. What are we doing? Why are we agreeing to that? And when I say we, I mean we. right we still consider ourselves whether anybody likes it or not or wants to believe it or not we're part of this peloton we still consider ourselves to be athletes and riders and former riders and we still relate in that way why would anybody agree to do that that that's ridiculous yeah i mean robbie mckeon summed it up pretty well on tn tmts sports and said it's a violation of his human rights stage finished at 6 p.m last night um So there was a lot of time to get down from the mountain for various people, staff, race. Apparently, Taddy Pagato got to bed at 1 a.m. Is that right?

Yeah, that's what he said. He probably got to the hotel. I don't know, 11.30 midnight. We were saying it was going to be a long transfer, so that played out. So then he was woken up at 5 a.m. So four hours sleep, you know, and so you have to think that Jonas was very similar. So, you know, just settled into bed and an hour later gets woken up. I mean, we have to all agree that that's not right, is it?

And before a stage like that, after a stage like yesterday as well. Yeah. In particular these days, when everybody tracks their sleep and knows exactly how well they're sleeping. Like mentally, what does that do to you when you know you're woken up at 2 a.m. and 5 a.m.? Particularly if you're rooming with someone else as well. Yeah. Well, look, I mean, we just said it. I mean, we talked about what a great month of sport this has been globally.

So just ask yourself. Okay. the World Cup final is today. What would have happened if you went knocked on Messy's door at 2 a.m. Wilmilden going on a week or so ago. What would have happened if you went and knocked on center's door at 2 a.m.

What would happen? The open is going on right now. I have it on my screen. What would it happen? What would Scotty Sheffler do if you knocked on this door at 2 a.m.? They wouldn't allow it. They would be like, no. Serena Williams' door at 2 a.m.

Absolutely. It just makes no sense. By the way, too, dear cyclists, dear Peloton, dear UCI, you're not going to get any credit for this. You don't get credit. So what are you doing? This is, and I would say for the 58th time, this is the hardest sporting event in the world. You don't do that to these people. So stupid.

Like as Bradley said during the break, where's the response? Is there any statement from the UCI? You'd have to think there's some justification for it. That's some rider statements. That's about it. You know, where are the people that make these decisions that are coming out and saying, this is why we do this? Particularly with a rest day coming up.

You know, all the testing you want to do on a rest day. Yeah. You know, they're in a tough spot. They are in a tough spot. They can't, they can give a watered down version. They want to say, exactly what we are saying. What the fuck?

Did you go to Messies door? Did you go to Schaeffler's? They want to say that. That is exactly what they're thinking, but they can't say it. However, we're just a bunch of podcasters. And we don't care, so we get to say it.

But they want to say it. And so... Well, Taday actually said in these post-race interview, didn't he? That was fatigue the contributing factor to the crash. Do you my right and say? He did question it. He questioned it.

He said perhaps that could have been one of the reasons why, you know, he just wasn't able to react or made that mistake on that corner. I don't think that's far-fetched at all. It's plausible. But what if anti-topian authorities went to Wimbledon and said, we're going to wait Cocoa Golf up at two in the morning? Is that sound good? No, there would have no chance.

Well, they'd be pushback on it, wouldn't it? Yeah, it would be. You wonder why ASO's not? Well, this is what happens in this sport, isn't it? You know, that the riders ultimately suffer, the decisions of other people. You know, and the race will go on tomorrow and this won't be a topic tomorrow. Fact.

Yeah. That's a fact. Should they refuse to start the time travel? Wow. That'll never happen. Again, but then that's the rider's suffering, isn't it? Yeah. And it's hard.

Look, I will say it's hard to do something like that in the middle of the tour. But this should all be done and dusted before the tour starts. Like, look, we get it. You have to control the athletes. And listen, I also know, too. that some of you all are watching this going, how dare you, right? The boogeyman, talk about this.

Well, I don't really care what you think because I'm going to talk about it. But it should be figured out before. You should say, listen, we're going to do all these control. Yes, of course. But not in the middle of the night. Not in the middle of the hardest sporting event in the world. We're just not going to do it.

Boy, you got me. You got me fired up yesterday. Now you got me fired up again today. You know what, though? Here's the good news. Tomorrow's the rest day. As soon as this show's over, I'm going to the airport, and I'm flying to Ballet, you know, one of my happy places.

Me and that kitten, I'll be having coffee in the morning with that little kitty. We're all going to your house to watch the game. You can I just also say something? I was like cruising the channels yesterday looking for the open. and they had the soccer game on for third place. How bad. I feel bad for Jonas Fingegar. I feel bad for France and England playing for third.

It was a great guy. I mean, I think it were like 10 people watching. One of the best games I've ever seen. Come on. The stadium was packed too, right? It was crazy. Six to four. Oh, my Lord.

It is a weird tradition, isn't it? Yeah, we all go into your house today. That's totally fine. Like I said, George sent to me last night. Can you ask Anna if we can come back? And then he goes, I know, George asked me to ask you if we could have to watch the game. Did one of you all steal my phone charger?

It's not in the kitchen. No. No. Because I've been just going like the Tasmanian devil around the house is more. I can't find it. Yes, tomorrow's a rest day. But after that, coming out of that rest day, we have the time trial. That is going to be our stage preview.

Let's just have a looky, lookie. That's a lovely. I just think. I like it. You like it. I do too. You know who else likes it. Remko likes it.

Remko is a perfect. Remko's a favorite. This is a perfect profile. Having said that, Taday. Yeah, the with his form and that climb in the beginning. The way he went in tour swiss in that time drove. I don't think it's a shoe in for Remko either. You know what's interesting about the TT and I'm, I think we're all just sort of learning about Paul Seishas.

Right. And he had, he had, I wouldn't say he had an off-dating. today. He didn't have the best day. But one of the most common questions, I know I had the question, you even asked it today. Like, how is he, how's, how's his time trial? I don't think a lot of people know. And apparently, it's damn good. I'm super curious how he reacts after today's stage, throw an arrest day, this time trial. He's going to be on the main stage. We're all going to get to see. And again, I've heard the boy can ride a TT bike. It's a very good time trials.

Yeah. Like one of the best in the world. He didn't have a great start to the race today. He had a mechanical on one of the big climbs. He had to chase back on for several kilometers. Perhaps that affected his last 5K of the race today. Who knows? But I mean, he's still in it.

He's still in the battle. Like he, just for example, so Bass Country this year, tour of the Bass Country. Time trial, 14K to start the race. He smokes Primos Rogolwitz by 28 seconds. Oh, okay. All right. That's a good time trial.

Data point. Yeah. So Bradley, but you said you like that. What would you, like, what would you be? It's just the distance. It climbs straight away. Yeah.

And it's a nice distance, 26K, you know. It's a 25 minutes of effort, 30 minutes of effort. So it's a good distance to get your head round. It's not too short like the prolog was or the team time to start this race. So, yeah. You know what else. Talk about, though, like the pacing strategy for this. The guys know exactly.

The top guys know what watch they want to hold on. It's gone. So if you look at it from A to B as fast as possible, and you take everyone else out the equation and you look where are you most likely to gain your time in terms of the execution and how much power you put out, you would say it's in that first 9.7 kilometres. And then what you're doing after that on that descending part

is maintaining your distance or your gap you've created over the other parties. And then the last part, so there's three parts of this, you're just hanging on until the final. So most of your effort is out the blocks. You'd be really well warmed up. And that first 9 kilometers, 13, 14 minutes of effort is where you're going to create the gaps of your rivals. Right. At your best.

Give me what watch you're holding on this climb. What are you doing on the descent? So 9.7K at 4%. That's a great gradient to, you know, to stay in position on your time trial bike. And I would be looking at going really high threshold, sub capacity type. If it's 14 minutes of effort, I'd be looking at 4.70, 4.7. Would you be staring at the watt meter on the climb? Equation, equating all the time watts to the speed you're traveling.

So watts to power. So those guys will be looking at touching 50 kilometers an hour up there, I would say. Wow. In your time proposition. Yeah. And then are you recovering on that descent before the next flat part? Recovering at power. So you're still maintaining sort of, you know, high zone two, high zone three powers.

But way off of threshold power on the descent just to try. Yeah, because once you're at 60, 65 kilometers an hour, there's no point sitting at 450 watts because you're not going any faster for the watts. Yeah. So with the aerodynamics now, once you're at speed, it's just constantly, you know, you're riding at speed more than anything holding speed. Whatever power required to hold that speed on a descent, that might be 300 watts. And then the last 5K you're just like everything.

And then you're just back into sort of capacity type effort holding is what you can. So that's the way you get your effort out. And for what it's worth, you don't get a good indication from it by looking at the elevation, the profile. But I mean, the course is not, I mean, this is a technical. Who knows it? I mean, it's actually a very technical.

Yeah. Look at the stuff. The other thing that could be technical. There's some, it's not an out and back. Time trial. Play a factor here is the wind close to the sea. Yep. I don't know if Remko's going to win this.

Hearing you describe that, that kind of sounds like a Filippo Gagana. Well, it's unpredictable this far into the race, you know, and I think that is... It's a great point in. Philippo Gana has been probably chilling the last week. The last two days, he's just been... A guy like him, making the Guppetto is not a bit,

essentially rest days for him. Except for the first part if he's trying to make the breakways, but I think he's all in for the time trial as well. And you know what else? I mean, any else... I mean, they need a stage win. I mean, a team with that history, with that stature, with that budget, they have to have a stage win. Yeah.

And their time is running out. You know, this could be their day. I mean, you saw today with Quinn Simmons. That's about as good of a ride as you could do in a breakaway and doesn't get the stage win. Like, it's actually going to be hard with these breakaways to get the stage wins. Let's say Remko has a good ride. How far can he take this GC? You guys think he can finish on the podium?

Second place, first place? I think at podium now. Yeah, now. The way he was, he almost got a second lease of life today. Yeah. Once he realized, you know, that the race is wide open.

Yeah. I think there's a lot of climbing left. There is a lot of climbing left. We're going to see somebody here is going to be a big story and it's going to be the bad story. It's going to go the other way. And he's taking a ton of motivation from I don't have a attempt,

but dropping his competitors and knowing that he can hang at Del Toro's base and still win. So technically, like the only way. Yeah. Poca Char is he's going to have to. to drop Deltoro to win the stage, essentially, maybe moving forward. If he wants to help Deltoro stay in the white jersey and podium, he's not going to be able to drop. Well, and the biggest thing is, Pagotra's not going to attack him. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. It is, yeah. The other thing that Red Bull will now do in this third week is take up the riding a lot more, which they haven't done up to this point. They've let other teams do that, which kind of works against Remka when the speed is quite varied. And they've got quite a strong team. Yeah, they have a great team. They still have four or five guys left.

They have a team to do it. good is this for UAE. Who kind of looked like the wheels are falling off today. Tim Welland's having a bad day, but other guys come and work for them. So congratulations. Let's take some calls like we've been doing every day. Here's the number. Give us a shout.

Leave us a voicemail. That number is 970. Sorry. I'll start over it. Is that your tooth? 970. 7182736. Caller number one.

Hi, my name is Jennifer. I'm from Virginia. I have a question about the music bags, actually. When you were riding, when all three of you were writing, could you request things to be put in there? And what did you really like and what did you really, really not like? Thank you. It's actually a good question.

That is great question. I think it's some good ones. Yeah, I mean, I remember our first tour was going in 2010. It was a nightmare because everyone requested different bags. So you had two guys in the team that had, there was celiac, you know, and couldn't have anything that was gluten or anything like that. You know, I had my own bag with whatever I needed, rice cakes.

If I was on a low fibre diet for the mountain stages where you wouldn't eat any fibre to lose weight, you'd have stuff in there that was just, like, pure sugar. And it was just crazy. So then you obviously had designated riders in the team that would say, I'm going to get Brad's bag as well as mine, like a Christian niece or somewhere like that. It was just crazy, you know, and it's a lot easier when everyone has the same bag. Yeah, it's a lot easier. And the man over here never got a feedback.

We'd always have to get it for him. And then if you didn't like what was in there, we'd always sometimes trade with other riders. But nowadays, the other teams. Nowadays, the nutrition is so specific, they're not doing that anymore. Like, everything is so dialed in and planned out. Yeah, I have a feeling it might even be, you know, each rider gets thrown back. But you're also right. I didn't like feed zones.

I thought feed zones were dangerous. Well, they go back to the car a lot more now, too. A lot of stuff can go wrong in a feed zone. A lot of people in the feed zones, a lot of spectators, a lot of fans. They know that not long after the feed zone, that the riders are going to be discarding those, the bag themselves, which has obviously the branding of the team, which is kind of a cool keepsake. Water bottles, et cetera, et cetera. So I always wanted to just stay as far away from that madness as I could. but I do think that

these guys are so dialed nutritionally now that it's very I mean we've seen some images of the last couple years with them having a plan actually taped on their top tube of you know minute

X minute Y minute Z like very specific but this car stuff if you miss a like a feed it's like a battery coming out these guys are just like with cave yeah yeah

yeah I was hearing last night. And we didn't see Quinn Simmons get fed once by his team today. And the one he tried to get on the roadside, he dropped. Well, but he must have been getting carbs somehow, right? Well, yeah. I mean, they carry all their gels. Well, the two.

He was getting fed by Tudor and Tudor 365, but it's different nutrition. Obviously, you know, it's not the same. I was hearing last night, someone was saying they're taking on 165 grams of carb an hour at this race. That is unbelievable. We would poop in these seats if we tried that. And so you'd be very sick. Yeah, that's what they're doing. I, you know, as, I don't, I'm glad we didn't have to do that.

And I'm not sure. I'm just curious how that plays out long term. Like 10 years, right? That's hard on the stomach. I get it. Like fuel tank stays full. We can run all day long. But boy, it'd be rough.

I will see. But that's how they're, that's the way they play the game. Caller number two. Hey guys, this is Jane Kelly from the Tampa Bay Area in Florida. We were just wondering, where is the T-U-N-The-Do-N-The Dushes come from? What's the origin of that statement? And what does it really mean to you guys? Thanks.

Love the show. Watch it every year. Appreciate you guys. Have a good one. Appreciate you. George, you're the one. It's George's story to tell. Well, we had a very iconic teammate called Vyachislav Ekimov, Russian guy, came from like the

hardcore Russian system, worked his way up through the track, made a pro, Olympic champion. But he was, and then he started learning slang from us when he turned, when he turned pro for when he signed for our team. So he would always mix different slang terms. And just one day we're talking like about the race plan. He's like, I'm going to attack here and then the sea in the douches. Yeah. Which means I'm going to attack and then I'm going to see you at the showers at the finish line because you won't see me again in the race. So we just kept using that. It's sort of inspired by Perry Bay. I mean, that's kind of the only race where you end up the race finishes on the

belladrome. There are these iconic slash disgusting showers there. Where everyone comes and takes pictures of you showering. It's kind of funny because it's caught on like my kids say it, like my friends at home. People will probably look at them like, what did you say? I was having dinner here last year with that shirt on. Someone just goes, does your shirt say see you? You in the doches.

That's right. It does. I'll have people come up to air airports. I'll ride by people. See in the doches. But that was Ecky. I mean, Ecky was,

and I don't know, George, you were too young to remember this, but when he came off the track and, of course, this was an interesting time, right?

The wall had come down, and I am talking about the late 80s. The wall comes down and it opens it up for these Eastern Bloc riders to turn professional. I mean, he was at that period of time,

I mean, he was the most sought after cyclists in the world. Yep. Right? And Peter Post and Panasonic was the team that won the bidding war. And, I mean, this was like, like Wimby coming to the NBA. I mean, he was, and by the way, he delivered.

He had a fantastic career. He was just like, like, hard man, legendary. Hard man. Hardest can be. I mean, and he would do the most rant, like, one time we're sitting, I think it was like in the welter or something, like, or even those been classics. Most stressful racing you can do. you guys all know.

I'm like, where's Eckie? I like smell smoke. He's out in the balcony smoking a cigarette. The day before a walk out. Ecky, what the hell you do? He goes, man, I'm stressed, bro. Tomorrow's going to be a big day. I just needed one little puff of this.

You know what? Those days are done. Now they're doing 165 carbs an hour. Nobody's smoking cigarettes tonight. That would be kind of cool if they did. No pouches either. There'd be some pounds. There'd be some zins in the Paltons.

It did. They are illegal in France. elicit zin. So we're going to see a bust on the best day. That could have been the 2 a.m. thing. We're looking for zins. It's going to be like festina in 98. Just like Hercke told me this story once, last Eckie story, and then we'll get to the trivia.

But he, when he was coming up through the Soviet system, none of the kids had money. By the way, none of these kids that we watch all day, every day have money. You can't come from money and be good at this sport. Fact. But Eckie's coming up through the Soviet system and they would, go to these camps and sleep on these janky beds. And they were so, he was so worried that somebody would take his shoes in the middle of the night.

And he's telling me this story. And I, I didn't come from money, but I didn't have it like this. And I said, well, what would you do? He said he took his shoes.

He picked up his bed and put both shoes under, one shoe under one leg of the bed and another shoe, like in the, right in the soul of the shoe. One shoe under one leg of the bed. bed another shoe another leg and went to bed so he knew that if somebody went to go get his shoes they'd have to move his bed and that would wake him up that my friends is a hard man yeah plan oh has nothing on that that's crazy it's crazy so you can smoke as many cigarettes as you

want man you're worried about your kicks getting stolen it's like you know it's like they have MLS academies, but then there's Liga MX academies in Mexico, and some guy was telling me he went to Monterey, I think, to like do his academy, and you have to sleep with your suitcase, like, on your, because people will, like, rifle through your bags in the academies. It's no surprise that everyone who came through that team pursuit squad of Eckies from the 80s, Evgeny Berzine, Ugramov, they all made it successful in the pro ranks. Yeah, yeah. Hard men. Hard men. And then others came out. I mean, Olaf Ludwig. Ludwig, yeah.

Just spaced the Polish guy's name. Halukchuk. Zan and Yascula. Yaskula. And these guys, but Eki was, man, this dude was... Abdu. I mean, Shmiel. Shmiel.

Where is Jamaladin after shop? I met him this year. Come on. Yeah, I was in... I would love to chill with that guy. I was at the start of the Giro in Sofia with Petal Mafia. And they were, we had a bit of a legend ride with Olaf Ludwig. Abdu Japparov was there.

Oh, wow. Yeah, because it was, obviously, it's an ex-Soviet country under Soviet rule, so they gathered a lot of those old ex-bite riders up. Cheslaw Lang, you know, all these. And Abdu is doing okay? Abdi, I mean, looked exactly the same. Bigger belly.

But, you know, that sort of tiny little, you wonder how he ever rode a bike as well. Because he was the meanest mofo ever. That's how he rode a bike. Ventum trivia. Inor to win at Ventimracing.com. the move, $5,000 credit towards a bike your choice. You know, could be the NS1, could be the GS1.

Those are the ones that Sir Bradley and I love. Yesterday's question, stages 13, which I actually thought was a good question. Stages 13 to 14 crossed the Ballonde, Alsace, a category one climb credited as the first major mountain climbed in the tour's history. In what year did it earn that distinction? Right. First tour was 1903. They climbed the Ballonde Alsace in 9th,000. 1905. Wow. That would have sucked. Yeah.

121 years ago. Imagine the bikes then. Yeah. Today's question. Oh my God. I need Alon for this. The Plateau de Solisone makes its debut as a tour finished during stage 15. Just weeks before the tour, the same climb was the decisive battleground of the tour, which I can't even say this name, but it used to be the Dolphine Libre. but it was the decisive battleground of the Tour of René, Rone Alps, the traditional tour warm-up race, which promising young rider won there, attacking 9K from the top and finishing a minute clear of his rivals. Again, ventumracing.com slash the move to enter your answer in $5,000 credit. All right, boys. Have good rest day.

Have fun watching the World Cup. Send me pictures, videos, everything. We will. Well, we got Spain and first all Spanish finals since like the 60s. I believe it's 1930. The first ever World Cup was Uruguay versus Argentina. Yeah, but there was another one. I thought there was another one in the 60.

I don't know. It's very unusual to have both teams speak the same language. Very unusual. Feel sorry for the refs. Right? I mean, yeah. Anyways. I think I'll communicate us to be in English, I think.

All right. Well, everybody, have a great rest day. We will see you again on Tuesday morning.