THEMOVE - Is Jonas Chasing the Green Jersey? | Vuelta a España Stage 3 Analysis & Stage 4 Preview | THEMOVE+

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down David Gaudu's incredible ride to win the third stage of the Vuelta a España, where Jonas Vingegaard put in another strong sprint to pick up a third-place time bonus to further extend his lead on his GC rivals. Before they go, they analyze Derek Gee's contract dispute with his Israel-Premier Tech team and his likely move to Ineos over the off-season, and preview tomorrow's stage, which will feature another tricky uphill sprint, and discuss how they think the race will unfold and who presents the best betting value. Use our special link to see where you can bet in your area and claim the best sign-up offers https://nxtbets.com/betoutcomes/ Cook Unity: Fuel your day with the freshest, best-tasting meal delivery made by award-winning chefs. Go to https://www.cookunity.com/themovefree or enter code themovefree before checkout for free premium meals for life.

In the case of Jonas Fingerguard, in this Vuelta, Spencer, I'm not overly concerned about that. I think he's just that much better than his rivals. It won't really matter. I kind of agree. I think he might agree. And that's kind of what makes it weird. Because why are you sprinting for mid-stage bonus seconds? If you know that you're that much better, it kind of does make you think he's going for green already, which is, which is, which is,

very ambitious. It's very unyonis, actually. That's why I'm so surprised. Like, the man has been so measured and conservative, and that's how he's had success. And then we're seeing, it's like he swapped brains with Taday Pagaccha from 2022. He's just sprinting for everything. Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Brunel, and we are breaking down in analyzing stage three of the Valta, Spaino, one by David Godou, over Mads Pedersen and Jonas Finnegard mixing it up in an uphill sprint we will get into what that

means for the GC and then at the end we will predict tomorrow's stage four and give our picks for it but Johan just to get right into it Gadu wins, huge win for both him and Grupama FDJ I looked it up it was his first world tour win in I think three seasons

so that's he was due also potentially signals that he could be up there in the GC that he's coming to this race incredibly fit I was devastated. I picked Petterson to win. You pick Steuben, or I'm sorry, Jasper Philipson. And the race was just generally the stage in my mind was way harder than I thought. It would be on paper. The midstage climb. Little Trek was pacing. They dropped the sprinters there. Pedersing gets the points behind the two-rider breakaway. Sean Quinn went through and picked up the max points. Pedersen gets third. Kind of oddly, Jonas Vindigard comes in fourth to pick up 13 points. We don't quite know. was going on there and maybe he's going for green already but then they they kind of start this drag up to the final climb and little trek is just pacing so hard they dropped phillips in very early i'm sure they wanted to do that they were nervous about that but in the end they should have been

worried about a different type of writer i mean they got beat by i mean how much lighter do you think david good do is than peterson like he must be almost 20 kilos less and it was a harder finish and And I thought, I mean, what were your impressions from this? Yeah, I think it was a lot harder than we expect it. It was clear if you look at the top 10 sprinters had no chance. I mean, we're not going to call Patterson a pure sprinter. Patterson can win certain stages that you would say, wow, it's impossible for a guy like that to win, but he does. So he was the only guy, everybody else had no chance.

The fact that Jonas is up there and go do wins. So it was a lot harder than we expected. But, yeah, I mean, little track. They controlled the whole stage, right? They definitely were very confident. They had Chicone, their main guy, lead-out, Matt Pedersen. And, yeah, surprisingly, we saw David Gudug, smart racing also. He was up there.

He came on the inside and kind of came out of the corner already with more speed. I think I said yesterday, right, that I saw surprisingly skinny Gaudu. Yeah. And I mean, the fact that he can win this stage shows that he comes in in great shape and it will be somebody that we will see in more stages. He owes it to his status and to his team to perform. And the Vuelta seems to be a race that really suits him well. You know, he's been in the front already.

He's won, I think, a couple of stages, two or three stages already in the Vuelta. So it's definitely a stage rate that works well for him. But I did not expect him to win today. That's for sure. That was a surprise. No, it was a shock. Did you know the Valta is the only grand tour that he's won stages in?

How many? Three, yeah. Mr. Vulta been topped in here two times. He was six here last year. I mean, yeah, he has had a weird last. for years where he kind of underperforms everything except the Volta. It feels like I don't know what. I didn't see this coming.

Like he was unbelievable in that final corner. Like he just got the inside Pedersen, I guess, left the gap open there. He went right through it. And then they come out with the short straightaway. It was like a 25 meter straight away. If you come on the inside, you're going to be hard to stop when you're sprinting for that short, short of distance. Are you surprised with Jonas Findergarde and V.

putting in so much work to be contesting this stage. I mean, he picks up four bonus seconds. It's not nothing, but also combined with sprinting for the points in the middle of the stage, I said to you before I recorded, if this was Tatea Pagacar, he'd be getting crucified by people saying, oh, he's wasting energy, what's he doing? You know, look at his, the UAE rivals are, Almeda is back there in 28th, Iuso's in 35th. most of the G.C. contenders are further down, not putting in these massive anaerobic efforts early in the race. Why is Jonas doing this? And why is Vizma investing the energy to do this?

Obviously, the first reason is he's feeling great. That's for sure. I mean, he wins the stage yesterday. He's up there again today. You have to be in good shape. And you know what? I mean, every second counts. I'm not surprised. I'm not. I was. I was surprised to see him sprint for that intermediate sprint. I didn't know, really. I didn't understand what was that about because I don't know if he thought there were bonus seconds or something. The only other explanation I can think of is that he thinks that he can win also the points classification, which is not impossible in the VALTA.

It happens more often that classification riders win also the points jersey. So that may be something that he's thinking about, but it's early on in the race to, I mean, it didn't, it didn't cost too much energy. But, I mean, my conclusion is that Jonas Wingergaard is feeling great. That's for sure. He has great legs, feels good on the bike, and just wants to take advantage of it. Didn't we say it to Zerra, though, that like every effort counts in a stage race? It does. It does.

Now, in the case of Jonas Fingegaard, in this Veltas, Spencer, I'm not overly concerned about that. I think he's just that much better than his rivals. It won't really matter. I kind of agree. I think he might agree. And that's kind of what makes it weird. Because why are you sprinting for mid-stage bonus seconds? If you know that you're that much better, it kind of does make you think he's going for green already.

which is very ambitious. It's very unionis, actually. That's why I'm so surprised. The man has been so measured and conservative, and that's how he's had success. And then we're seeing it's like he swapped brains with Taday Pagaccha from 2022. He's just sprinting for everything.

It's really interesting to see. I don't fully understand it. But it's making this race better. I mean, any other G.C. thoughts you had, like, is there anything we can even take out of this or not? No, not really. I personally think that, you know, the guys like Ayuso and Almeida, you know, it was not a flat sprint. There are always risks that there might be a gap.

In my opinion, they're a bit too far back. That's not a great sign. There should have been, you know, 10, 50. Bernal, for example, Bernal was top 10, right? Or just after the top 10. And they should have, I mean, because it's slightly uphill and it was harder than we expected. So I think they were a bit too far back.

It's a risk. Somebody might sit up and you lose 10 seconds without before you know it. No, other than that, I mean, I just want to come back on what we said yesterday about Visma. I mean, Axel Zingle was, you know, the incident he had with his shoulder. This morning we woke up to the news that he didn't get the green light from the team doctor to start. So he had to abandon the race because he dislocated his shoulder.

That's number one. And then what I said yesterday about his bike being stolen during the race is actually not correct. Afterwards, the news came out that the fact that he went into the ambulance to get treatment on the shoulder, an official thought that he abandoned. So they had actually put his bike in the broom wagon. And when Axel Zingler came out of the ambulance, he didn't find his bike and had to get a spare bike from the team. Now, that's one thing about bikes from Vizma. Then this morning, we also saw that unfortunately in Italy, Visma Lisa bike woke up to an open truck that was broken in and they got 13 to 15 bikes stolen during the night, which is a nightmare for a team.

It was obviously, I mean, it was obviously a planned attack. They must have been watching the truck and then, you know, seeing how he parked, how the truck was parked and then they got in it and, I mean, take 15 bikes away without anybody noticing it. That must be, you know, there's a lot of people involved, there's vehicles involved, and it was planned. So unfortunately, that that happened. It's, yeah, we never had that during, during all over years in the team, but I know teams who had happened. And it is just, I mean, it's very disturbing. You know, you have to, in the morning, it's crazy. You have to try to find the solution to get ready to the start.

Nowadays, fortunately, they have lots of people, lots of equipment, so they could get through the stage, but they were missing, for sure, they were missing spare bikes. I remember, I mean, I don't remember which race or which year, but I remember things like that happened in the past. passed and then teams were actually borrowing spare bikes from other teams. So that had happened so that they could at least get through the, through the stage and then depending on where they are based, like now,

for example, Visma will have to bring a van with a new series of bikes to the race to be able to go on for the next two and a half weeks without any problems. yeah i mean it's it must be criminal organizations these are not just like joe schmo like hey there's a van i'm going to take this is not a coincidence this is not just all of a sudden people who show up i say hey there's nice opportunity you know this is planned for sure because i mean can you imagine unloading that how do you where do you even sell those they're so unique and you're have to have to have a network ready um they might have to start sleeping with their bikes in their room like like anchors johan well i mean you know i mean it's it's simple i mean it might see

You know, simple, but you know, what we usually did. I remember the mechanics, they, they always tried to find a spot where they could park the, the truck, like, against a wall. Yeah. Or, you know, put two trucks against each other. I don't know. I mean, it should be a standard habit, I guess. I mean, of course, you know, you don't, you don't count on the fact that people are going

to break into the truck, you know? Yeah, I mean, I guess it's possible. they're getting in and like hot wiring the truck and then driving it away from the wall. I don't know. I actually frankly would like to know more about this. We'll do an investigative series on what is actually going on here because it's pretty interesting. A lot of moving parts would be hard to get rid of those bikes. Yeah, you mentioned UAE, Almeida and I use so. I don't love them being so far back. And if I could have one criticism of the organization they've built over there at UA, obviously they've had a lot of success.

They're doing pretty good. Yeah. It's just the small stuff when Pagaccha is not, the race seems to fall between the cracks. Like you just never get a ton. I never have a ton of confidence that like on a stage like this that, you know, I'm even looking at you said Bernal or Jai Henley is in the top 10. Like those guys are just on the front foot. And it kind of feels like UAE when Pagatja is not there.

They're always on the back foot. And like stuff's always happening. I don't know. I mean, I don't know, Spencer, if it's, I mean, I said, I'm not, I'm not overly worried. about this. I would have liked to see them a little bit more in front, but anyway, they're not far behind, but it's a risk. It's a risk if it's a slide uphill like this, that something happens, somebody sits up and you cannot close the gap. It might just be that both Ayuso and Almeida come in a bit green, a bit off, you know, not at their full potential. I think that's more the

case because especially on on the stage that Jonas won was yesterday was yesterday no he won't yeah yeah um normally almeida a great almeida would have been there with them um he wouldn't have been like 10 places back or um so i i just think there a tiny bit of like 1-2% off and that's enough to not be in front but uh it's three-week stage race so a lot a lot of things can happen one right or I was surprised not to see up there. 23rd place, Tom Pitcock. Like, is this not another good Tom Pickock finish?

This was a good finish for him. Yeah. Yeah. This was a good finish. Yeah. And then you're just, you're letting these opportunities slip by. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, hey, you know, it's stage three. So there's still a lot of other opportunities, but it's also the Vuelta, Spain. Yeah, it's high level. And it's not, I mean, it's not, it's not the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Saudi tour or the Arctic race. You know, it's different level.

So I just think that, I mean, he tries, but yeah, today was a good stage for Pitcock to be at least in the top three or the top five. So he should have been up there. And like the team didn't really seem like what's funny is he had multiple teammates finish in front of them, which probably should not happen on a day like today. I don't fully get what was going on there. one rider who's not here who didn't even have the chance to not win is Derek G he was supposed to be leading the Israel Premier Tech team at this race pulled out the last second right then we knew something fishy is going on and then now we hear that Ineos is trying to sign him I think what was that two weeks ago a week ago we were to mud eneos canceling a bunch of signing Dave Brailsford didn't like it we thought they must be making room for something like an incoming writer it looks like maybe that writer is Derek Eric G. Perhaps they think he's their GC leader of the future. He signed a contract extension. We looked this up, five-year contract extension with Israel Premier Tech in 2023. We would presume for a decent amount of money. And then now he's trying to leave. Israel Premier Tech doesn't want

him to leave. If you've ever met the owner of Israel Premier Tech, you would know that it might not be as easy to leave that team as others because he is a very firm man. Like he's not just going to sit down and let Derek G leave. Has deep pockets. Yeah. But the only thing, Johan, is what, so let's say they take Derek G to court. They make him stay.

What are you gaining by that? Because he's already not racing. Nothing. I mean, I mean, already, like the last minute change of Derek G not going to the Vuelta, being left off by the team, we knew that something was coming, right?

So, I mean, I have several thoughts on that. first of all, I think, and I'm thinking as a team manager, as a former team manager, I think it's kind of not right to, from the agents to push for long-term contracts. I mean, in 2023, I'm pretty sure they were super happy and they were the guys who pushed for a five-year contract. Yeah. In five-year contracts, that's very long. That's extremely long.

So it must have been a good deal. so you sign that with with you know and then all of a sudden if somebody comes with a better offer and all of a sudden it's like you know when you marry you know you marry your your your girlfriend and then you know if if a more beautiful girl comes you don't leave your wife i mean at least normally you don't this is the same this is the same thing i there's probably differences between no it's it's it's the same thing spencer it's it's it's the same thing i they sign these long-term deals and then, you know, somebody, you know, comes with, with, you know,

a better looking girlfriend and, and they start to consider it. And, I mean, from what I see today, I think Derek G put out a statement saying that, you know, there's personal reasons why he leaves the team. I'm going to guess in between the lines they want to play the card of the situation. with Israel, I don't know if that's true or not. It's probably something you can use if you want to terminate a contract. And that's probably the reason why they put that out there.

But I think it should be separate. You know, I mean, when they all, I mean, Israel has been known to be a team that pays riders really well. and you know when they were able to sign big deals it didn't matter for most of them it was Israel on the jersey as long as they got their check yeah that's a good point no i've seen i've seen the statement of of fulgelsang not so long ago he just retired right he signed a big deal you know was there till 40 years old made a lot of money i've never heard him complain about having Israel and his jersey. And now he retires and he says, oh, I'm so happy that I don't have to put Israel in my jersey again. I mean, come on. You know, it's, um, I first of all, I think

the team has nothing to do with, you know, the fact that the, the, the owner of the team is a Canadian from Israel, Israel guy. Okay. He has his reasons to use the name Israel. It has nothing to do with politics or nothing to do with what's going on in the world. And if you, everybody's free to choose to ride for that team or not. And then, you know, I have to kind of laugh when, you know, they say, okay, well, you know, now I don't, I don't want to wear the name Israel anymore. But when they were paying the big checks, they were there. You know, they put the jersey on without a problem.

I don't know what's going on with Derek G. obviously there's a huge interest from from eneos probably a better team for him i don't know if the financials are going to be much better probably there will be a bit better and yeah i mean we don't know we just go off what what has been reported but uh it's it's a strange one it's a strange one um there is just like he's a good rider he's a good writer he was fourth in the g-ro But it's not one of the big names that cycling, you know, if you have Pogacar and you have Jonas, you have Almeida, you have Ayuso, you have Roglidge, you have Remko. Derek G is not in that league, right? He's below. I mean, he was fourth in the Gero. Simon Yates won, the Toro was second and Carapas was third, and Derek G was not close to those three guys.

we don't know it's probably going to be a good addition for in aos and I have no doubt about that but it's also not a writer who will dominate a grand tour in the future I think that's safe to say yeah yeah I think there's two pos I also yeah I don't want to weigh in I'm decently friendly with the man who owns Israel Premier Tech so I don't want to okay I'm biased I can't say anything

but Derek G is this either Dave Relsford looks at him and says this guy is so raw he's gotten so good so fast he can be the next Bradley Wiggins or is this domestic for writer to be signed later that we don't know yet

I think it's an intermediate solution there's nobody else I mean it's obviously that if they want to strengthen their team they will have to buy out someone right because there's nobody else available it's becoming a trend though right in cycling that it's becoming a bit like football over here soccer as you guys call it you know it's the guy sign multi-year contracts and then whenever there's

another opportunity they want to leave and then there's business being made between the two clubs which is also here going to be the case in ayes will have to pay a decent amount of money to to Sylvann Adams. And that's a parallel business. You know, we, we, I think Adams can make a good, good bit of money, you know, uh, out of, out of the, the departure of Derek G. And, and he will play it, he will play it hard. Yeah.

And the problem is he probably doesn't care about that as much as like, let's say, um, DSM, Picnic Post-NL, like their business is kind of selling writers. No, I mean, they just did the same. first did you see that in in in in in cycling they just sold is it Charlotte cool Charlotte yeah yeah so she's me she's moving to another team I forgot which team it is but it's immediate but immediate effect so that's their that's part of their business model they have good riders and then they let them go for whoever wants to pay for them and yeah I think it's I mean it's one of the smaller

budget team so that's I mean, I guess there's another source of revenue. Yeah, they really work that for, and they've worked it well. They've gotten rid of a lot of riders who have not lit the world on fire when they've left that team. But so the problem with Derek G is, I don't think Adams cares about the money. So, but if a rider wants to leave, you probably should just get money for it because it's already a problem. Like he's already not at the Volta. Yeah.

What happens next year if you force them to stay? It's just tough. And if you're a writer, Johann, like Enios, I know they've had their problems, but they're still a top-tier team. Like, don't you think the day-to-day training is maybe better at a team like Enios than Israel Premier Tech? Like the infrastructure they have, is that a draw? It's probably better. Not much better anymore. I think most of the teams are quite, you know, they hire really special as people.

There's been a time that Ineos was head and shoulders above everybody else in terms of environment, infrastructure, entourage. I think it's not the case anymore. They're still probably better. But I think Adams is, I mean, you say he doesn't care about the money. I think he does, you know, especially if you see, I mean, if I would be Adams and I see who I have as my rival, which is Ineos, and you know they have deep pockets. and they want the asset that you own, which is Derek G. I mean, you already know, I mean, this is where it becomes tricky for the rider, right? I mean, the moment Derek G. has notified them that he doesn't want to stay.

And so he has, if I understand correctly, uny-rattlerly terminated his contract for whatever reason. We don't know the reason. And this happened with Oudabrooks, remember? Yeah, but that's different. That's different because Uytebruchs and, I mean, it also happened with Maxim van Hils, but that's different because the Belgian law permits that, allows that. I don't know how it is. I mean, it could also be that the Canadian law allows that.

I have no idea. But the fact is that Adams will say, okay, this guy wants to leave. We know, we don't, we won't have him next year. But that's just, we don't care now, how fast this is resolved. The longer it takes, the better, the longer this drags out. I mean, it ultimately goes to court, the better it is for Israel. The worst it is for Derek G. Because Derek G wants now, he wants peace of mind.

He wants to focus on the future. He wants to know that his places in Eos, this could drag through the whole offseason and even through the beginning of next season, which is never good for the mindset of the rider, right? So this is now, it's now in the camp of Derek G. and his advisors to solve this as soon as possible. Because once you know that this rider has said, okay, I don't want to stay, Alam doesn't care anymore. He doesn't care how fast, as long as he gets the most amount of money. The UCI rules say that there needs to be an agreement amongst the three parties. the rider, the all team and the new team. If that's not happening, then ultimately it's going to be a court which decides.

So I don't know what, if it's the Canadian law or if it's Swiss law, I don't know. I don't have enough details, but it's in the interest of Derek G. And his advisors to find a solution, a reasonable solution as soon as possible. Yeah, it's unclear to me if like what, if it's Canadian law, if maybe Canadian law does nothing to do with this because it's ratif the contract is like signed in Switzerland. I don't quite understand how all that works. The problem though, if Adams pushes it too far, Enios has to move on, right? And then the offers off the table. And then now if they push it to next year, the offer will not be the

offer will not be off the table. I'm pretty sure that in aos, because in aos is already part of this, although officially they can be seen as being part of this. But there's for sure been negotiations and already, you know, been estimations of, okay, it's going to cost this so much. This is the contract of Derek G. This may be the amount that we have to pay to get him out of there. It's not going to be Derek G who pays it, but it's not going to come out of his pocket. Yeah. So in Aos indirectly, whether they want it or not, they're already part of this. Well, if it's like July of next year, presumably they would just sign some else, right? And then Derek G. would have to stay with Israel Premier Tech. Yeah, but who are they

going to sign in July? Well, they would probably have to move on in the off season, right? Yeah. Because you can't, they're not going to hold a roster spot for Derek G. through the spring, I would imagine. But yeah, it's, I do think this will get resolved sooner rather than Yeah, for sure, for sure. Because I think Sullivan Adams is going to get a big old check from any else. Exactly. And it's going to feel a little bit better about the situation. It does stink to lose because it's a Canadian, it's a pseudo-Canadian team, losing a Canadian rider that they developed. That's probably not fun for that. It's not a great look. No. Anything else on that, or do you want to predict tomorrow's stage four? Well, this was, I mean, it's kind of part

of the Welta because Derek G was supposed to be the leader of Israel. What's funny is a terrible race forum. It's all summit finishes very few time trials, like very few time trial kilometers. so I don't know how much he's missing here but it is it is it's already become a problem because he should be leading the team at this race yeah yeah yeah I think his you know his focus is not one fine you know getting a the future he wants with another team so he doesn't care any more about this well than now unilaterally getting or unilaterally destroying your contract or breaking your contract kind of sounds legally dubious to me like can i unilaterally make myself president of the united states you know i've decided that i'm doing i'm pretty sure that if they

when they did it they know that they have a case um i'm i'm kind of thinking that you know the statement he put out definitely points into the direction that he does not want to be part of the team anymore because of what's happening in the world. That's my reading between the lines. That could be an angle. I guess they could work, especially in the current climate. But let's take a quick ad break

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the Alps. We start in Susa. We basically end in the outskirts of Grenoble at the base of the French Alps, 207 kilometer long stage. There's multiple mountains. There's three categorized climbs early in the race. But then basically from like 120K to go on, they descend off the final mountain pass

and it's downhill to flat for the rest of the stage. Slightly uphill in the last few kilometers to some disputed numbers we found in the roadbook on if it is an uphill final kilometer or not. I looked at the Google Maps. It does look like there's a slight rise. like almost similar to stage eight of the 2023 tour in Limoges. The Mads Pedersen actually won over Jasper Philipson,

but I'll read the odds and then we'll predict our winners. Madge Pedersen is the favorite at plus 175, Yasper Philipson at plus 500, Ethan Vernon plus 700, Olaar at plus 1,600, Felipe O'Gana, who did not look great today, plus 2,000, Ben Turner plus 2,500, Casper Van Uden, plus 2,500, Nico Dense, plus 3,300. Again, if you want to know more about,

betting you want to know where you can bet where you live you want to get the best price best sign-up bonuses go to next bets that's nxtibets.com slash bet outcomes the link is in the show notes to to access that treasure trove but joan how do you think this is going to play out and who's going to win yeah i think um i think bunchprint um there's it's hard the the first half of the stage is hard there will be uh some splits that There will be some sprinters who get dropped, but I think, you know, the downhill and then the second part of the stage is completely flat. I think it's too far for a sprinter with the team around him to not be able to make it back. So I'm going to go Jasper Philipson.

It is a drag. I know that Peterson is probably the heavy favorite, but it's definitely not as hard as yesterday tomorrow sprint. And I think Philipson will take revenge for, obviously the day he was dropped. He had no chance today anyway, seeing that finish. But yeah, I'm going to go for Gasp for Philipson, especially because he's plus 500. So that's an interesting one. Yeah, I think the main mistake we made today for today's stage was that maybe the lead end of the final kilometer was harder than we thought.

tomorrow's it is uphill but it's very slightly uphill so you could imagine phillipson winning on this i don't think that's that's crazy at all and that's a very good price if he's plus 500 i'm still going to go mad's peterson just because i it's it's unclear to me where phillipson's fitness is if he maybe isn't at his very very best after that tour de france crash probably not he's probably yeah he's very best you said he had surgery right after the tour yeah yeah he had surgery yeah yeah which i mean these guys are so good at coming back from that but it's it's not nothing like it does he might not be at his very best and i think he does have to beat his very best to win tomorrow so i'm going to go mad spatterson at plus 175 for the win and matt's peterson he's got to be

feeling a little frustrated at this point and i mean it's still a live points battle so he's going to be up there doing what he can probably wants to avenge today's loss tomorrow yeah most likely and he has an amazing team. Yeah, very impressive team. It was a little funny with today's stage where Chaconay let him out, but has to pull off before he's totally blown because then he has to slot in behind Pedersen so he doesn't lose time on G.C.

I don't think that will be as big of an issue tomorrow because it's an easier finish. They can have someone else lead them out that's not Julio Chikone. Little points classification check-in. As you know, Jonas Venergards are, already leading the points classification with 65 points Phillipsons 50 Patterson's 43 so both these guys do have to start making up ground on Vinegarre before they get into the big mountains so that might have been the reason why you're also sprinting for that you know

for that intermediate sprint impressively ambitious if that's true yeah you could be right anything else on tomorrow stage that you're excited about I'm not overly excited about the moral stage. It could be good. I kind of like these stages. They don't throw too much at you. They're like, you know, we're going to start late. We finished late.

Not a lot is going to happen during the stage. It's very easy to watch. Yeah. It's easy. Yeah. That's it for me, Spencer. All right. Thanks, Johan. And we'll be back tomorrow to predict the team time trial on stage five.

We shift years very quickly into the GC battle. Okay. Thanks. All right. Bye. Thank you.