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Episode Date: March 13, 2026

Spencer Martin and Johan Bruyneel break down the last week of cycling action, from Jonas Vingegaard's dominance at Paris-Nice to Isaac del Toro's impressive control of the GC field at Tirreno–Adriatico, and discuss what Mathieu van der Poel and Wout van Aert's form is telling us about the upcoming Spring Classics. They debate Vingegaard's prospects at the Giro and Tour based on his recent form, and what salary teen French star Paul Seixas, who is out of contract at the end of 2027, will command when he comes on the market.   Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team   Mint Mobile: Ready to stop paying more than you have to? New customers can make the switch today and for a limited time, get unlimited premium wireless for just $15 per month. Switch now at https://MINTMOBILE.com/THEMOVE   Hims: For simple, online access to personalized and affordable care for Hair Loss, ED, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://Hims.com/THEMOVE   Gusto: Try Gusto today at https://gusto.com/themove, and get three months free when you run your first payroll. That's three months of free payroll at https://gusto.com/themove    

Where do you, like if you had to rank the sports top GC riders, but currently right now, if the Tour of France started on Monday, who do you think are the best GC riders right now? Well, first of all, there's Tade Pogacar. He's the best in basically everything. And then, I mean, if you look at it, for me personally, quality-wise, the two guys who are now leading Tireno and Parinis are the next two. I think that's the top three.

Del Toro probably, I mean, in the tour, when he has to work for, but they probably won't finish third. But, you know, quality-wise, I think he's up there. Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with the O'Hum Brinnell. We are going through the news and racing recaps of the past week in professional cycling. We have Perrinis running right now, Jonas Vinegar, dominating the field there.

And we have Torino Adriatico with Isaac Delft. Toro taking the race lead from Julio Pellizari. Yohan, I'm just going to run through the stage winners really quick. It's pretty jarring because the last time we spoke on Saturday, Teta Pagachar had ruined professional cycling. Everyone's up in arms. This is boring.

A mere few days later, Pagachar's old news. It is now Jonas Finnegard's sport. Get out of the way, Tata. You're done. You're washed up. But if we cast our minds all the way back to Sunday, the day after, Shradabianchi, Luke Lempurdy, American, who we called

out actually. I think two weeks before, a week before, is having two top tens at the opening weekend, Omlup and Kernah win stage one. Max Cantor, win stage two, team time trial stage three, won by Ineos Grenadiers slash Kevin Vulclon, because it was kind of a, this goofy time trial, team time trial where you take individual times and remember that because that's going to come around at the tutor fronts.

Jonas Vinegard win stage four, terrible, rainy day. He just dominates everybody pretty interesting, with Red Bull pulling him along the whole time. Stage 5 yesterday, Jonas Finnegard. It's nice. And he says, I can win on a nice stage two, just drops everybody, rides away solo, extends his lead. Harold Tejada on XDS Astana wins today.

Kind of a good, interesting move. But then, before we talk about that, Torano, stage one, Felipe O'Gana, wins the individual time trial to start the race. Matthew Vanderpull, wins stage two. Tobias Linda Anderson on DeKathlon, win stage three. Matthew Vanderpull wins again. Stage four yesterday. we should talk about that.

That was kind of an interesting select group at the end. And then Michael Valgrin on EF today, winning ahead of Isaac Deltoro and Mateo Jorgensen, his first win since 2021, Johan. I believe he's had a lot of injury issues. Unclear to me, but yeah, what are all the issues he's had? And then I assume this has got to be a major win for him. Yeah, I mean, Michael Volgrey,

let's not forget, this is an ex-winner, of Amstel Gold race was also, did he win the obstacle? He did 2018. Yeah. Didn't he also win at Newsblood? Yes, that same year. And he was third in the world championships in Leuven also. Yes.

I do remember that. So, yeah, he had a crash. I do remember he had a crash, really, I mean, career and threatening crash. They kept him on the team. he actually, I think one year he went down to the development team of EF and then occasionally raised some races with the World Tour team. But yeah, I mean, he's back. I think he was top 10 in Strada Bianca, if I'm not mistaken.

He was up there in the final at least. So, yeah, I mean, you could see, I mean, he was from a breakaway. He dropped Al-A-Filippe on his terrain. Of course, you know, Al-A-Filippe is not the Al-Fripp. anymore we know from his prime time but but still it's Julea la Philippe so really nice victory but yeah Tireno has been really interesting Spencer you know the time trial first Ghana wins no surprise we were looking at you know what what the DC riders would do I think except Carapas who did a terrible time trial everybody

else was where we expected them to be and then yeah matthew on the pool man two stage wins. That first win was very impressive because there was some gravel and some uphill at the end. And he was the only guy of his stature up there with all the climbers. And he won against Pelizari and El Toro. Difficult to win for him, but he did win. Hard five victory. You rarely see him.

He won't win like this, but it shows that he was on the limit. He was on the limit. But, but yeah. And then yesterday's victory was even more impressive. You know, he went the way he, there was a break. I mean, there was a break first. Then he caught the break. And there was a select group with all the GC riders and some sprinters.

But man, when he took off, that was, I mean, I thought when he left, it was 300 meters to go. 300 meters to go. It was headwind. And so that was really impressive. So I made a little note that said, you know, Matthew von der Poohle is very, very ready for Milan San Remo. You know, not just because of that sprint,

but there was a moment in yesterday's stage where Del Toro attacked on the top of a climb. And man, he was on that, like, you know, like unbelievable. So I think it looks good for him for Milan San Remo. there's, in my opinion, only one rider who can beat him as Bobachar, and he needs to drop him. We've already seen that in the past it's not easy to drop under the pool on the climbs like Milan San Remo. And I do think that his condition right now is probably a bit better than last year's condition. Last year, he did also Tireno, didn't manage to win his stage.

Now he won't two already. And he looks really, really powerful and comfortable. Now, the question is, you know, how much better is Bogacha than last year? I have an impression that he is better than last year. So actually, I know he's better than last year. Well, yeah. Little side note. As you know, we were at Strad de Bianca for four days on this trip.

And we did the Grand Fondo on Sunday. And so in the morning, when we went to the start, I run into Mauro Gianetti, who is there. He didn't ride, but he was there. So I stopped and talked to him a little bit. And he did mention that they, you know, what they've seen in terms of numbers from Porcacha is an improvement compared to last year. But it's not the same level. It's better.

At the same time, I also know that the rest of the Peloton is also better than last year. Well, we looked at, I think you said on the show, you're like, oh, I bet he's about the same as last year. And then, oops, should have checked the Vellon account? because they had his power numbers from Strata and he was 40 watts higher than last year. I would say, though, he was away with... That's to take with a grain of salt. I think 40 watts is...

That's a big improvement. But he is better. He is on a higher level. I did speak with other people from teams after Stradi Bianca and they said that, you know, the riders say that the peloton has risen the level again. So that most of the riders are on a higher level. So if you produce what you did two, three years ago in strata Bianca, you're not in front. That keeps getting higher and higher.

Are people, have we calibrated these power meters? Can this be true? I mean, Tom Danielson had a theory that, like, everyone's trained, the way they're training, they get better and better. Like, they're stacking training. And then back in the day, you know, you'd be good. And then people would take like three months off and then would fight to get back where they were the year before, that maybe that wasn't the best way to be training to improve every year.

Kind of an interesting theory. We should say, stage four, we kind of glossed over this, but Matthew Vanderpull was there. That was an elite group because Mateo Jorgensen went to the front. It was a final climb, shortish final climb. Mateo gets the front, and he's a little out of the GC because he's currently, he was sitting fourth at the time. He crashed.

You mentioned Vanderpenterpo winning the stage two, uphill finish on the gravel. Electric. Super exciting. but Mateo was right behind Vanderpul crash, so he lost a little bit of time there. But he gets to the front and absolutely destroys the field. The guy looks like he's in incredible shape.

And then, yeah, as you say, Del Toro attacked him of the top. Vanderpull marked him. And then Matteo just got back on the front and held the race together until the final kilometer. Yeah. Really, really impressive from both Mateo to do that and then Vanderpull to be there. It is kind of interesting to me.

Do you remember? So last year, you said Matthew Vanderpil doesn't win. any stages here and then obviously has an amazing spring. Winsam Ramo, Winsie 3, Windsor Bay, third at Flanders. Do you remember 2021, Matthew Vanderpull or Mateo Vanderpull? It's what I always want to call him because that's what George calls him. Matthew Vanderpull has one of the most impressive Torano Adriaticos I've ever seen. Remember it's like the 55K solo breakaway in front of Bagua chart.

And then he has one of his worst springs of his career, Spring Classics. Is there something to this way? And today, to be fair, he did he did sit up. He didn't like fight. He probably could have fought to be there. He tried at first. And then when he saw that it was really too hard, he just didn't insist. So you can almost see him metering his effort.

Oh yeah. I assume that's what he's doing. Yeah. I mean, listen. I mean, if you won, if you, so he won at Newsblood, right? He wins two stages now. Basically, the rest of the Tireno, he can just cruise and just, you know, monitor his condition. and make sure he recovers

and he's fresh from Milan-San-Remo. I mean, there's no pressure on him anymore now. I mean, if he gets another opportunity, he'll take it, but I don't think there's any more opportunities because tomorrow's a super hard stage, probably the hardest of the whole. Do you think he could be fighting for the GC here if he really wanted to?

No. I don't think so. Not with these guys. I mean, he could be top 10, but he can't be top three. I don't think so. And we should say the GC is after stage five, Isaac Deltoro, taking the lead. I don't know if you notice this.

Deltoro sat up yesterday, didn't get a time bonus. Pelazari got second and got a time bonus. Pretty clever there. But Deltoreau is now in the race league because he attacked. Also, Del Toro, he just, whatever he needs he takes. He's like, oh, I need 20 seconds. Let me get 20 seconds in a half a kilometer on a climb. Deltoro is leading.

Pellazzari's second at 23 seconds back. Mateo Jorgensen, who followed Del Toro today, is now third. at 34 seconds back. Roglitch, fourth at 44 seconds back. Looks pretty good. Julia Chocone 5th at 105 back. So as you said, tomorrow is the mountain state, the toughest mountain stage. Pretty hard finish.

3.2K, 9% average to the finish. Well, they do that. They do that climb three times, Spencer. I think if I look, if I look correctly at the profile. It's like a big old loop they do in the last. It's very hard. They do a horse cap. You recline at the beginning of the stage already.

but yeah i mean i think del toro has this you know unless he has an off day funny actually to see that you know he i wonder what the atmosphere is there in their building you know so he basically kills his neighbor his first neighbor in uaee at tiberi and now he kills his other neighbor pelizari in tireno they seem to get along very well you know, it's race, but it must be strange to basically have to race, you know, and try to take the leaders jersey away off both of your neighbors and your training partners because they train together. You know, they live together, train together, have the same agent.

They're all three different teams. And, yeah, Tiberi was in the lead and looked on his way to victory in UAE. Deltoro didn't let that happen. And now, I mean, we could, I mean, it was. not decided because it was only two seconds. But man, what a rider, man. What a killer. You know, the guy just knows how to win

races. You know, I mean, he didn't win today. He didn't win today, but I think he's going to win this. And yeah, I mean, he just, he dropped everybody. And then Matteo Jorgensen was first dropped and came back and then

actually drove it, you know, to get on the podium. So Jorgensen is there. Definitely in good shape. Very good shape. He's not going to win Peronese, I think, for the third year in the row. But he might be better. I mean, I've been so impressed with him this week. It sounds goofy because he's in third place. But without that crash, and he's just looked so strong, comprehensively strong. Very, very powerful. Yeah. And yesterday, let's not forget,

yesterday he did all the work for Wout. Yeah. Right. And the stage. You know, so, so yeah, he's in really, really good condition, Jokinson. One thing about Del Toro that, yeah, he didn't win today, but almost that really impresses me. He's what, 22 didn't have great GC success until the Giro last year.

It's not really experienced stage racer. It just kind of feels like he's picked it up. Like, he can meter these efforts so well. today just do he just does what he needs to do to take the lead to take a little chunk doesn't overdo it doesn't take too many risks let like valgren wins that's fine i'm second i'm now in the race lead i'm going to tomorrow like the maturity and ability to manage a race is it's blowing my mind watching him get better at it by the day yeah now he looks like a really seasoned profession he is already a seasoned professional uh even if it's only his second year but the guy doesn't

make many mistakes, you know, like you could say yesterday was maybe a mistake, but, you know, it was two seconds. I would say the mistake was, did you see me, he kind of grabbed Christian by like his neck? And I think he was like, hey, man, you're going to attack inside the final game. We're going to win this. He probably should have just had him leading him out for the podium, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, you know, maybe he already knew it wasn't going to come down to seconds. You know, but that's possible. If you look at today and then especially tomorrow, you know, those stages are really, really hard. You know, look who's back, Spencer. Look who's back after in absence. Oh, Bobby.

Mr. Bobby's back. You know, he, uh, he just said he wanted to come on screen and say hi to our listeners. I know, I know everybody loves Bobby and we've gotten comments that they want to see him again. So here he is. Hey, Bobby. What do you think of what do you think of what are nice? What do you think? It sounds like he doesn't care.

Well, we'll get to Peronis. His thoughts on Peronis might match mine. That's not been my favorite race to watch. Yeah. And we should say, I mean, Del Toro, well, at the end of this episode, we'll talk about the greater state of things. But I also think Giulio Pelazari, I've been really, I've been impressed with how explosive he is. I knew he was a good climber. I did not know he could.

like this. Listen, he definitely made a big step forward in the offseason compared to last year. He's matured, you know, he gets the confidence of the team. I mean, even Primus Roglidge was working for him today. Whenever he could, he hardly could, but whatever he could, he did something. And so, yeah, he's establishing himself as, you know, one of the, one of the leaders. He had Jay Hindley working for him in at some point. year winner. So, definitely. I mean, if you think about where he was two or three years ago,

wasn't the Ombardiani? He was Ombardiani two years ago. Yeah. That's when he got caught. Remember, he got caught by Pagachar. Oh, yeah. And then Pogacha gave him his glasses, right? That's him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He can come a long way since then. Yeah. I mean, he's really, I know we talk about a lot about Paul Sishas and Deltoro, but he's another guy. I would sort of circle, like very good stage racer and learning quickly. And also, you know, like making step by step program. He didn't come like to the front like straight ahead, but you can see that the guy's improving and he's super strong, super strong.

Yeah. How do we feel about so Roglitch is in fourth? I think he's looked pretty good, but I will say like 20, like think of peak Primos. He used to just show up at these early season stage races. I'm going back through his seasons right now and just win. You just win the first stage race. Boom, easy, done. The last few years, it's not been so automatic.

And I wonder if this is a waning of his ability. This is not peak Primos anymore. We have to, you know, we have to accept it. You know, the young guard is coming and Primos is still there. You know, he has the experience. You know, he's in Fort now and we've hardly seen him, right? Yeah. He's there.

But yeah, I mean, I think he will also accept. It's funny. Actually, I just saw an interview. of Primos from the day before the start. I mean, the guy is just something else. So there's this journalist. And by the way, you know, I'm going to say it here, EuroSport. You guys need to do a better job by picking these guys who interview the writers in English.

I watched both Parinise and Tirino and it is not acceptable. Some of the guys, when they're really on the limit, they just finished. And, you know, they don't understand the question because the guys, speak very bad English. There's one French guy and one Spanish guy. I don't know who it is, but they need to do a better job, man, at picking guys who speak proper English. Anyways, the guy asks Primos, you know, about the climb of today,

the finishing climb. And he said, yeah, because, you know, 2023, you won here. He says, ah, which climb? I don't know. I don't remember. Oh, that's the climb, huh? Oh, it's pretty hard, huh? A guy just doesn't remember.

He did not remember that was the climb where he won the stage. Normally, you know, backwriters are pretty good with, you know, like photographic memory of, you know, places or stages they've won. Of course, Primos has won a lot of races. There's like 100 race wins. Yeah. I mean, I've had conversations. you know now during our time they're in tuscany with johnny buneo and and especially with chipolini

man the detail that chipolini certain i mean chipolini won a lot of races more than a hundred more than a hundred i don't know how many but definitely more than a hundred there's certain details that he tells me that i said wow you know it's it's you know really in their mind like you know like burned in their mind. You know, they, they know all the details. So anyway, Primos is a bit different, you know. Sometimes I don't think, you know, sometimes I don't think you know which stage it is, you know?

That's true. He's a website, by the way, with merch. It's very funny. Like, the way it's written, like, he's a legitimately funny person, I think, that tries to pretend to be boring. I was debating with Bradley Wiggins if, do you think Mark Cavendish can remember every one of his tour wins? Or has he won so many tours?

stages he's forgotten them no the 30 he will remember them for sure yeah yeah yeah yeah you're right some people it's it's freakish almost how well they remember certain races certain details yeah uh well anything else on terraino before we go to parinise anything else that stuck out to you um no not really not really i mean we're we'll see tomorrow tomorrow is the decisive stage. So I said unless del Toro has an off day, which is possible. We saw today, Tiberi had an off day. No, he was.

Yeah. Probably got to be sick, you think. Yeah, he had a really bad day. Yeah. Yeah, like shockingly bad. I think what about Webinar? What have you thought of him at this race? I think Bernard is in good condition.

I think he, I saw a few interviews of him also. He was disappointed yesterday. to not be able to win the stage. I think he admitted he made a mistake by wanting to close that gap and then Bonapur Poul just blew by him. But he's okay with his form. I did speak with some staff members there

at the start of Stradabianke about Wout. And they said that he needed Strader Bianca and Tireno to really get to the top of his form. So it looks good. He's there. he's there when like yesterday on the climb he was there he was suffering but he was up there when there's gc guys getting dropped like richard caribas dropped i think it says a lot that uh you know jorgensen was setting the tempo and dropping almost everybody and he was setting the pace for walt

so yeah yeah i think he's uh he's where he has to be in terms of his his race for um don't know what that's going to be for Milan San Remo. I do see that he had this issue in Strada Bianca and a little bit, also in the gravel stage of Tirino. I keep seeing these like problems with positioning at the entrance of a critical point, which is obviously something for Madan San Remo is very important and for the classics too. So that's something we've seen from Waut. You know, and it's only normal.

After so many crashes, it's kind of, you know, logical that you think twice before you have to rub shoulders and elbows and knees and heads with everybody else to fight for your place at the entrance of a critical moment in the race. Yeah, like stage two, he was climbing really well, but he just started, if he starts in a better position, maybe he's with Vanderpull. I noticed, I remember Rubet last year he was really struggling with putting himself in the spot. to be in. We'll see. I don't know. We'll see how that goes. I wouldn't read too much into it.

I wasted a lot of time reading a lot into Torano performances and then they don't. Condition wise, I think he is where he has to be. Yeah. No, I agree. I think he's looked. I mean, the man had surgery on his ankle, not that long ago. And then got sick before the opening weekend.

Yeah. Then he did the Grand Prix Sarméne. Had a puncher, I guess, in the final. So this. this is basically his first competition. Do you think he looked a little in the final yesterday a little too, like, let me close these gaps for you, Matthew. Let me get out like it.

It's a little over-eager, perhaps. Yeah, I think that was he, yeah, he definitely made mistakes there. He shouldn't have done that, especially knowing that, well, it was Ghana, know who attacked? Yeah, it was Ghana. Yeah, Ghana looked pretty good. Yeah. But a little bit of a potential preview of the final.

straight at San Remo. Something to think about as we get excited for that. Yeah. And do you have something else on Trano before we take a quick break? No, I think we've covered everything, Spencer, on Tireno. Okay, let's take a quick break and then we'll talk Perry Nice. Everybody, this episode is brought to you by Mint Mobile. I don't know about you, but I like keeping my money where I can see it.

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let me pull up his margin of lead here. It is unbelievable. He is leading by three and a half minutes, three minutes, 22 seconds. Wow. I've never seen that at Perry Nice before. No, my niece is a race, usually won by very, very small margins. Yeah, that's pure dominance, your dominance definitely you know showed up i remember spencer you a few weeks ago you you know you looked at the program i think before he added paroenice and you said you were worried about yonos vingerard if he could get ready for the giro i'm asking you today are you still worried i don't know i don't know not quite sure we've seen enough from them um i think i have so many messages in my inbox of like, can TEDA keep up? I'm like, I'm not quite ready to go there yet,

but I think we could like auto sim the zero. I don't even know if we need to race it. Like this guy looks unbelievable. He looks strong. He looks strong, very strong, and shows that, you know, he's ready. I mean, it shows that he was definitely preparing the season to start really well at UAE, then had to cancel it because of that crash on training. And then when they decided to add parinese, it's because they knew he was ready. Otherwise, he wouldn't race. But yeah, I mean, very, very dominant. I mean, first of all, Lamperti wins, then what's his name, Cantor wins,

and then Ineos wins the time trial. That was the team time trial, Spencer, was interesting. Ineos winning, it's been a while since they won a team time trial. Yeah, I think quite a while. So that was a really, really nice win. Of course, you know, if you have guys like Darling there and Kutkovsky and what's the guy. Kevin Voslan is a really good. But, so they win before a little track.

But for me, the most impressive performance of that day, Spencer, was Dan. That was wild. From Deccatloom. That was insane. You know, he was by himself the last. last five kilometers and he beats Visma. You've only finished 11 seconds behind Enios. Yeah.

That was crazy. That was crazy. He said, did you see his quote? He said it, I don't know if this actually mathematically is true. He's like, oh, no,

I thought it was easier because I didn't have to go so slow with everybody else. Well, that's a bit over the top, I think. Could be something to it, I guess. Yeah. Well,

he's a great time for artist. You know, he did win, he did win the time trial. the Giro, no? If I'm not a mistake. Yeah, you won a stage last year. Dutch champion several times already. Great time for all this, but still,

Descarteslon has a great team. They had the best intermediate time, by the way. And so so yeah, maybe, I don't know, maybe Ineos beat it. Was that a purpose, you think? Like, did they, was that a tactic?

Like, we're going to go out here. I'm just don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, but the guys were just exploding, left, right and center. It was crazy. So, so yeah, that was the most impressive performance of that day. And then, Spencer, we have stage four unexpectedly. You know, the whole peloton blows apart with the wind. We had crashes, you know, Ayuso crashes out.

McNulty and McNulty crashes also, right? McNulty crashes. Is he still in the race? Oh, that's a good question. I mean, that was like unlike anything I've ever seen. Yeah. It was first of all, it really motivated me to have you hook me up with another way to watch races. Because not only could we not see anything because there was everyone's in black rain jackets.

There's water on the camera. In the U.S., we're going to commercial every 10 seconds. I can't figure out what's happening in this race. Yeah. Okay, let's look at the start list, Brandon McNulty. Also, you're not going to believe this, but the splits in that time trial, Ineos, 15 seconds faster than DeCathlon at the T1. And Dan Hul was actually faster than an Ineos to the finish. Three seconds faster.

That's crazy. That's crazy. Brandon McNulty is not here. No. So, yeah, Red Bull was on the front, and I've never seen so many. It was like the whole field was just disappearing because everybody was crashing out behind them. Well, I mean, it was crosswind and then there was a downhill and then there was the crash. Unfortunately, the yellow jersey, Ayuso, who was one of the co-favorants, right, of Parinis, crashed out and had to abandon.

But then we saw Red Bull doing an amazing team performance. And finally, there were four riders. You know, there was the two Van derrick brothers and Danny Martinez and Jonas. Fingergart. So, Jonas just sat on, didn't take a pull, and nobody asked anything. They just kept going. I mean, you could look at it both ways, right? I mean, you could say, oh, you know, why do they do this?

But at the same time, I kind of think it was okay to do it because they were assuring the podium, which, you know, they, I think they know that Martinez is not going to beat Wingegarde. no way, you know, with the stages that were still ahead. So by them pulling so hard, I mean, Martinez also didn't pull. They kept taking this time. And they basically, unless Martinez cracks and they basically assured second spot or third spot, you know. So in a race where there's a big, big favorite, being the next, the best of the rest is kind of a small victory. And it's been a while since we've seen Danny Martinez in the front of a, of a, of a, of a race.

big race. It's big for Martinez to get second here. I mean, that's a big result. I would also say, I know people don't like it and it looked weird. I was, I would say during the race, I was like, what are they doing? Have one of the Van Dykes attack. Why are you doing this? The more I think about it, I think it's the right. I think if you just viewed it as what, let's increase our chances of winning this race. I think this is the right move because if something happens to Jonas, this is what we've been saying like just race for second these guys are so good you're not going to beat them if something happens to them then you win so i think that's just the from a game three perspective they're doing the right thing even if it looks odd yeah yeah and still i don't think i don't think

the only thing i don't understand spencer is i mean yeah i mean when yonnas went with what was it a kilometer to go, maybe 700 meters, maybe a kilometer to go or something. Yeah. Martinez couldn't even react. He could barely stay with Von Baker. I know. He could barely beat his teammate.

So you must feel that. You must have communicated with your teammate. Hey, I'm done. You know, I'm cooked. I can't get out of the saddle anymore. It was an incredible hard stage with the rain, the cold, speed. But at the same time, then, okay,

what else could they have done? So if one of the Von Dakers would have attacked, Jonas would have followed and then dropped him. And then dropped him and he's in a worse, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

If they try to get Q with it, Martinez gets dropped earlier and is in a worse position. Yeah. So you're right. They needed, that worked out perfectly because Martinez was so screwed. He just had to get as close as possible to the finish. Also, do you know who the Van Dyke of twins used to be on a team with? Vizma. Jonas Vindigard.

Yeah. It's a little secret reunion there. Quick question. for you on this i personally like i liked the way they raced i think that was good is this going to burn any goodwill like there was all these people crashing and they're just like see ya we're out of here oh i mean that's the race i mean because they were pulling already they were on the front already so obviously they knew there was wind it was rainy you know dangerous downhill if you're as a team if you're already taking action and the action was planned and was

clear that this was, you know, planned already. If they crashed, you know, then that's, that's it. You know, I mean, you could maybe 15, 20 years ago, we could say, you could have said, okay, well, you know, but in today's cycling, that's just not the case. Nobody waits for nobody. It is a little funny to me that even in the recent past, stages have been neutralized at Perrinis that are similar to the stage. And then this somehow is not neutralizable.

Well, it's because it was individuals who crashed. There was no massive. There was not a big group of people crashing. There was two here, three there. Okay, it happens to be the race leader. But there was not like 10 or 15 guys going down and all at once. And especially, you know, if the race is on, it's difficult to stop that, you know, to make that decision. If it's because of a bad corner or something or you can say, okay, it's the parkours.

And, you know, we have to take this into account. But this was on a straight, a straight road because of. the speed, the wind, whatever it was. Yeah. And Ineos, we're going to get to what people, I know everyone wants us to talk about the bibs. We're going to get there in a second. Oh, the Vingegar Bips. But before, so Enios gets totally screwed here because Kevin Vuclone misses the split, like before

the TV coverage comes on. He's not that far back. He's like 40 seconds back, but Oscar Onli's in the front group. So they don't chase. Oscar Only crashes, has to change his bike. is some reason not allowed to then draft back on maybe because the group's too small and then they lose that him in the front group and then they missed their chance to chase back on like really bad luck there for minios yeah but yeah and we're treated to the site we get near the end yonis who clearly

is very skilled at riding in cold weather dressing for cold weather he's kind of disrobing for the final climb and he noticed he had this like rain jacket on backwards that's a guy that knows what he's doing and then his bibs are off and then he puts his bib straps back on and it's over his jersey he kind of looks like borat do you do you know the story behind this i was confused i do know the story behind it i heard it so it was a plan and idea of our good friend victor campan has had you see this and you know campan arts something so what they did what they did is they must have decided this in the bus when they saw the weather Campanards came up with this idea and San Yonas said,

you know, I want I want that. So basically what happened is, so he got a lot of clothes on, right? So he had a rain jacket on top of his race jersey and then on like backwards. And then on top of that he had like a bigger jacket. And so Campanarts cut the shammy out of the long bibs to not have to not ride with two shams. And the idea was to at some point in the race maybe take it off,

you know, maybe take it off on the bike or whatever. And they cut, so they cut it in front and they cut it in the back. So he could like a superman and off. Basically strip it off, right? So you could basically break it and get it off. That was the plan.

The only thing is that, you know, Jonas never found the time because the race was on and it never slowed down. So he was, then he took his stop off. and then he wrote with that Pips over. That was, yeah. Yeah.

It's not going to become a trend, Spencer, that kind of fashion. I don't think anybody will take this as an example. But listen, they stayed warm. And that might be the key to the victory because Donnie Martinez was, was he riding long pants? I don't think so. I don't think so. Everybody looked like they were frozen. Yeah.

Except the only is very cool. Yeah. Well, actually, you know what? I saw somewhere that Red Bull had special skin suits for that stage to ride in the rain. So special material like waterproof skin suits. Interesting. They didn't look like they were. I mean, the Von DeKaker brothers, I mean, okay, they're big guys.

They're Dutch. You know, they've used to, you know, they're used to ride in cold weather. But they didn't look like they were called these guys. They were going. They were flying. Yeah. actually looked like they it looked like they were riding in a different weather condition than everybody else and there could be something to that i it shows you i think is a crime against humanity

at least the fashion that they committed but pretty interesting and it shows an innovate like a level of innovation like let we need to stay warm how do we stay warm and they came up with the solution um i think more teams should think like that i think a lot of teams don't do it because you think well it's going to look goofy. We can't do that. But clearly it worked. I don't think Jonas cares too much about what it looks like. He doesn't be that kind of guy.

He just wants to be, you know, warm and safe and fast. Yeah. So he's rewarded for that. I still have doubts if you could rip a bib tight off on the side of the road. I think so, Spencer, because if you look, they cut it. Like they cut it all the way, like as low as possible from. back. So the plan was to just rip it, rip it off, and then just basically take it off as a leg warmer.

Yeah, I guess you just rip it in two and then. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. That's something that only company arts can come up with. I mean, the guy's just, you know, very innovative. You know, he just always thinks about details, but it worked. I would say when he got signed to that team, I thought kind of a weird signing. I don't really see it. And then it's really paid dividends.

He's on an unbelievable level. Like yesterday stage, the work he did there. Yeah. And setting that pace, you know, while he was, I mean, and the guy gives it all. Like when he pulls off, he just goes in parking mode, just standing still. But I would say 50% of the climbers are dropped already when he, when he pulls off. Yeah. Yeah.

He's incredible. And he's giving them, he's coming up with their, with their warming technology on the bus. his spare time. Last guy to lead out to Jonas in the deep time trial. Yeah. Yeah. Man, he's a very, very useful writer, very good rider for them. Let's take another quick break and then I have a few questions for you about what this all means.

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but currently right now, if the Tour de France starts, started on Monday, who do you think are the best GC riders right now? Well, first of all, there's Tade Pogacar. He's the best in basically everything.

And then, I mean, if you look at it, for me personally, quality-wise, the two guys who are now leading, Tireno and Parinis are the next two.

I think that's the top three. The total probably, I mean, in the tour when he has to work for, but they probably won't finish third, but quality-wise, I think he's up there. Yeah, I agree with you. I think today, number one, and by today, I mean Tade, but I think his name is actually today. And Jonas, number two, I think this has been a big week.

Maybe it's not a surprise. I thought that we would see the shifting of generations, We're wanting to so would be being Jonas. We won't know, right? But I personally don't think, I mean, this, the level Jonas Wingergaard is on right now, I don't think there's anybody else except Ogachar who can, who can, you know, match that or get better. I don't see for the moment. I don't see Ayuso.

I don't see Pelizari or Ogletch or El Toro. Jonas is still a step above those guys, I think. What about? I don't say shots. Say shots, no, no, no. I agree with you. I think this has been the biggest week anyone's ever had to announce that they're going to get second to the two to fronts. Because he looks really good.

Again, you know, if you're in second position and something happens to the leader, then you win. Yeah, it's true. like, it's why I like Red Bull's tactics so much at this race, because I think it's not a bad way to think about it. If he just shows up the tour ready to get second, he could win. Well, I mean, let's not forget. His main goal is the Gero, Spencer. And, you know, if he wins the Gero, he will have won all three grand tours before. Which is a super select list. Not very many. hadn't run the three grand tours yet, right?

So that's definitely a goal for Jonas. And then he says that usually in the second ground tour, he's better than in the first one. I don't know about that because I think, I think that in the Vuelta, I mean, he won the Vuelta, but he was not as strong as a tour in the Vuelta. No, no. Actually, that Valta looking back,

that is super impressive because he was not well, probably didn't have great preparation. And he just kind of punched out a win. Yeah, that I think I read that at the time. I was like, ooh, Jonas is fading. These young guys are coming fast. But it's like he just was not. It is best.

And he still figured out a way to win. He looks incredible. I don't know. I would say, who knows? Because he didn't go to altitude after the tour last year. If he really, if he wins, say he wins his Euro takes his tour preparation really seriously, I think, you know, maybe he does show up better. And so we have to put everything in a context, right?

Look at the competition also, right? So if Jonas doesn't win this, I mean, he has, he should win this because with all due respect, you know, Donnie Martinez and who's in third now? Oh, man. It's somebody. How did I forget this? It's Danny Martinez, York Steinhauser, the German on. There you go. You know, it's only logical he wins and he destroys everybody, right?

Well, I guess the way he loses is, it's the member Roglidge got had these like, it was like these bad patches of luck where yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he'd crash horribly on the last day. That's the only way that he does. Yeah, but I mean like quality wise, he's, he's a, he's a level above everybody else. Like, maybe more than one level. Yeah. And if you look at the competition, you know, it's two levels above Donnie Martinis and York Steinhauser. So is it George? George George? George? I don't know. I mean. Georg is Georg. Georg. Okay. I don't think it's yet. Probably not George. So I agree with you. I think it's today, Jonas Del Toro, top three stage racers right now. But it's probably safe to say Paul Seishas, pretty good. Going to be up there. Yeah. I've never done a ground tour yet. So we'll see. Did we talk about this? By the way, it looks like it's more and more confirmed that he is absolutely doing the tour de France.

Well, Seychas. Yeah, I think he kind of has to. They haven't announced it, but you can read in between the lines from interviews from the general manager that he's on for the tour. So that's going to be interesting. And, yeah, that is interesting. So he's out of contract at the end of 2027. He's not talking contract extensions with the Catholic. right now.

I think it's only log with, Spencer. I mean, like I saw his agent there at Doreno. I didn't talk to him about Seychas, but if you have a good agent and you have a guy like Paul Seychas, you just sit and wait and let the offers come and then use it. I mean,

most likely he's going to stay with Deccatlan. I mean, I think he should stay there because that's the French team. They have the, you know, they have the resources. They're going to build everything around. And they are already now,

really good team, like a really good team. That's like a different team from what AG2R was in the past, right? So I think it's just a way to just increase the price. If he has offers from UAE and in Aos and whoever else has big pockets, Red Bull, then he can still stay at Techathlon, but just for much more money. Here's the problem, though. And I have a couple questions for you. So I spent the last few days going through French employment taxes.

Correct. Let's say you make a million dollars a year. Let's just say that's what Paul Sechus makes. He's going to make more than that. A French company like DeCathlon has to pay him $1.5 million, basically, because they pay so much employment taxes. So they have to pay a 50% premium on rival teams to sign their own rider. Is there a chance that they, what's to stop them from going and registering in Switzerland?

You think they're going to do that? The team? Yeah, the team. No. No. French company. No, they're never going to go to close Switzerland. No.

So they just have to increase the budget, Spencer. And let me tell you, let me tell you, Deccatlon is huge. But the second sponsor, was it called CMA? It's like a shipping company, right? Yeah. I checked the numbers. It's five times bigger than Deccatlon. Interesting.

annual turnover. It's huge. Interesting. So the money is not a problem. So speaking of money, what's this guy going to go for? 2028 rolls around. What's his contract? Like, what's it going to take to sign him? I mean, it depends what he does, right? I mean, we still need to wait.

Let's say he got signed right now. Right now? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think right now probably. 4 million? Oh, no. No, it's got to be more than that. No, no.

I honestly, Johan, I think if he was on the market right now, I think he would make more money than Tatea Pagachar. People cannot control themselves around this guy. No, no. People are out of their money. Four million euros, that's not even what Remko is making. Well, look at Del Parmaris. It's not about four maris.

it's about future expected future return. I know. I know. But anyways, maybe I'm out of it. I would pay him for a million. I think it's going to take an offer of... No, it's going to take more. It's going to take a $100 million offer, I think. Like 10 years, 100 mil.

Which sport are you watching? Dude, these salaries are spiraling out of control. Like, Wana Yuso just got a 10 million euro transfer fee. Okay, well, he doesn't make $10 million. He probably makes $3 million. Well, it goes into the same, like, just the same package. So Seychas will not, he'll not leave mid-contract. So it's going to take a sock of money to get him away from McHathlun, I think.

Yeah. I mean, I would say conservatively, I think it could be conservatively five years, 50 million euros. 10 million a year. I think so. Dude, people can't control themselves around this guy. Okay, well, I've never seen. Good for him, but that makes no sense economically in the, in the business model of cycling.

No. And, well, if he wins the tour this year, you could be talking 100 mil a year. He's not going to win the sky's, sky's the limit. So he's not going to win the tour this year. Well, what, well, okay, well, probably not. But let's say, what if Pagachar and your? on us get hurt. Okay.

Then there's still others. He hasn't beaten yet. I think you think more highly of the others than I do. Well, listen, the guy is obviously super good. My question is, how much can he still improve? And he's super good. You know, already he's top of the world right now. So even if he doesn't improve, he's fine.

You know, he's up there. He will improve because of experience, getting more endurance, you know, knowing his body, knowing the races. But I think the margin of progression is limited. You know, we've said it before, you know, if you compare him with the 19, 20-year-old Pogacchar, it's a completely different story. Boracar, and let's not forget Porcars when he was 20, he won the Tour de France.

Unpolished, completely unpolished. And Paul Sechast is super polished. The thing, though, about Seychas, an improvement. I have concerns about the improvement as well. But we're watching a guy just dominate Torano Adriatico, and that guy got dropped off Seishas' wheel after Seishas pulled him around at Strata. He's already...

Well, Seychas pulled Del Toro around. Did he get dropped or did Del Toro just not dispute the third place, the second place? Yeah, I don't know. You know a lot of ultra-competitive people. I rewatch the images, Spencer. I mean, I'm not sure, but maybe Del Toro was completely out of gas, but let me tell you, he didn't try very hard. And Seychov did not attack.

It looked to me like Sechatioz was surprised that Elthor wasn't there anymore, is possible. You know, you can completely be dead and say, okay, you know what. But, yeah, listen, let's, you know, we can't debate about this forever. Seych is the real deal. You know, he's 19. He has a future in front of him, but there are other riders who have proven already much more. And Seychas will probably prove the same, but he hasn't yet. the problem with proving yourself is then you know and then you lose the magic like jollameda we kind of know what he is yeah and so it's hard for us to imagine something amazing where paul sechase chas can be anything you want him to be because he's not raced a grand tour yet so maybe he's better than pagachar that's part of the intoxication that's why you should sign big deals when you're young athlete before people you could probably say that to say shas right now is on a higher level than bulacar was you're in his first year, but at the same time, Bogacha won three stages at DeVuilta and his first year and finished third.

We'll see. But what stage is, I mean, you can't compare the two to the France with DeVuilta. He will see, I believe it's better than Pagotcha in 2019. But the thing that you're pulling at that's right is, well, Pagotcha got a lot better between 2019 and 2020. Can Paul say, like, can Paul say, I forgot you got a lot better between 2025 and 2026. Can say Shas keep improving?

Yeah, that's a big question. What, where is Wana you so after this? To me, this is a little got to be deflating for Lytlech and him. Came in with a lot of expectations. Bad luck. I mean, you can't, you can't fight against bad luck. I mean, if you crash out, you crash out. I mean, we won't know.

Do we know how long he's out? Not very long. He doesn't, he doesn't have any major injuries. He has nothing broken. I expect him to me. I don't know if it was on his program, but he could be back for Catalonia. Now that he missed out. Is it on this program?

Bass country is. Oh, Basque country. He looked pretty hurt. I guess they didn't release anything. Well, yeah, I mean, listen, he has no major injuries, apparently. So it could have been, you know, the shock of the moment and feeling really horrible and not being able to ride your bike. It is possible, right?

I mean, nobody can feel from a distance what these guys feel after hitting the ground. And it's a combination of physical pain and then mentally seeing everything escape. And I think it's reassuring to know that there's no big injuries, nothing broken, nothing torn. And it seemed that everything was going to be okay.

I think next week he's back to training normally. And then it's all for the tour, right? That's the big, I guess, the Asia and then the Tour de France. So someone sent this question in and kind of, I think I have an answer in my head, but I want you to answer it. I don't remember saying this. This is from on hell, Angel, however that maybe on hell. Achille. So I don't remember saying this.

He was saying after Pagachar lost, that must have been 2023 in the tour, second year in a row. We were saying like, so like, Jonas is just a better G.C. rider. It kind of, I guess the proof at the time was that Jonas was better. Pagachar maybe was never going to win the tour again. And then, of course, Pagachar goes on to completely retool himself as a rider, hit a second apex, is now better than ever. Is it possible that Jonas is doing this right now? And if not, why not? Yes, yes, but he's not going to be all of a sudden better than Bogachar.

But listen, I mean, I hope he is on a higher level and that we see a great battle. You know, that's what we want. You know, we don't want the tour to be decided after the first mountain stage and then basically know the result. As a spectator, you know, as a team director, I've been in that position quite a few times and I kind of liked it. But as a spectator, I don't like it too much. Let's hope that that's the case that Jonas has stepped up and it looks amazing. I'm curious to see, you know, the analysis of power numbers and times and stuff to see what this really means. Because as we said, you know, we need to check.

who he's racing against. Well, I also think people were pretty taxed by the, it's always hard race in a Paryonis, you know, with the weather. I don't know if you're getting the world's best power numbers. It's not a nice rate. I never like Parenis. It's not a nice race. It's always miserable.

Tomorrow they're talking about alternating or canceling part of the stage because snow is coming in. So we're probably not going to see a big mountain stage tomorrow. which actually goes to show you why Jonas is so good. You know, it doesn't leave it to chance, which is like, let me get time when I can,

because I don't know what's going to happen later in the race. I would also just a couple facts. Yonis is 29 years old right now. When Pagotra lost the tour for the second time, he was 24. And we didn't know it at the time, but he also wasn't as professional as he is now. So we changed his program.

Andy just physically got older and got closer to his peak. Yeah. I don't think Yonis is a, growing boy. I think he's he's probably at his peak and he is getting to an age when we see people to stop winning the biggest races. It's hard to win races over 30 in pro cycling. I'm not, not that he's going to be bad. I just, I don't know if he's going to keep, he's not going to make a massive jump most likely at that age. No, he can improve a bit, but not massively. No. Yeah. So I think. You also need to know,

no, Spencer, that, you know, it has not been easy for Jonas in the last two years, you He had some issues with crashes and injuries and this year again, right, into training. But yeah, I mean, if he can stay healthy and not crash, then he should have, you know, a really good preparation for the Giro, which I expect him to win. And then we'll see how he recovers from the Gero and how he said to Tour de France. It's the same like today last year, two years ago, right,

when he won the Gero and then the tour. Yeah. It's simple. Just like that. This does actually remind me of 2023. I don't know if you remember this. He wins O'Grane Camino. He loses Pernice, actually. Winns Basque Country, wins Adophani, and wins a tour. So actually, he reminds me of that writer, the 2023 early season, Jonas. Yeah. Well, thank you. Anything else, Johan, before we take.

Oh, also we should say, Inios, Grenadiers. new co-sponsor, new title sponsor. Your title sponsor. Net company. Yeah. Are the figures public? Well, I mean, I've seen somewhere that I read an article that Jim Ratcliffe, the owner of Ineos, the company, the owner of the team,

is willing to give away the naming rights. He's still going to finance the team. It's not like Ineos. has something to sell to people, to consumers, right? They don't have a product to sell. So he's going to keep financing the team, but let this new title sponsor in for five years. And reportedly, it's a $100 million euro pound deal over five years,

so 20 million per year. So this is an extra 20 million to the budget. I don't know if Ineos is going to decrease. Their financial support to the deal, team but it's definitely I mean I'm surprised I'm surprised I mean I think two years ago or even last year I think I think on a podcast I said I expect emails to gradually

wind down yeah and just let the team go not the case so it looks like starting at the Tour de France already the team is going to be called net company total energies it's going to be difficult to get used to I just got used to Ineos. I'm still stuck on Team Sky. What happened, guys?

It's actually weird that it's going to take a lot of work to get used to that. It gives them a lot more financial flexibility, a lot more. And financial flexibility for what end, to what end you may ask? Well, there could be a pretty talented GC rider coming available at the end of 2027. There's already a few French riders there. There's Volcan, there's Godon. There's Accelerance. There's another one, I think.

So they could go for Paul Seychas. Well, and they have two, I think these two big sponsors, net company and big Danish company and then total energy. And the total energy is French. French company, yeah. They could go big after Paul Seixas. And I do think, however, that the financial resources of Decathlon and, was it, CMA, no?

Is it CMA? CGMA. CMO. CMO. I think it's CMA. Yeah. They're up there. They're up there with Ineos. If they want.

CMA CGM. Yeah. They rolls off the tongue. Yeah, it's a huge shipping company. Well, everybody said mechatlone. Nobody talks about the second sponsor, but they're huge. And if they have to, they will step up to try to keep both of Chas. So it's going to be an interesting development.

I expect him to stay there in 2028. All right. You heard it here first, folks. But this also just gives Enos, instead of asking for Jim Ratcliffe for a bunch of money to fund the team, now they're kind of self-sufficient if they need extra money to sign a generational talent, they can. But I think it just gets them running on like smooth. Well, with your prediction, Spencer, there's not going to be much left of the 20 million if you think that that Seychas is going to be paid 10 million for year. Did you see what? People are losing their minds.

It was, who runs the Groupama team? Mark Maddieo. Mark Maddieo. I think he said, we've not seen a Frenchman this dominant since he know. Is he forgetting the Frenchmen just won double world championships? Not that long ago? Spencer. Madiou needs to tell his story, you know.

So he always plays into what people want to hear. So he's, you know, he's a dinosaur. I thought that was kind of a little alifold. Philippe Arrasier. Pretty decent French writer who, I mean, he took the tour by storm in 2019. Come on, guys. Let's see Paul Seychas start a tour before we declare it better than Al-Falip. All right, Johan, anything else before we take off? That's it. We'll see each other on Monday, I guess, to recap Tireno and Parinis. Yes, we will be back on Monday to something's going to come up. We think this is straightforward, but something will happen that will have us talk. and hopefully about something on Monday, but I'll see you done. Bye.

Okay, thanks.