THEMOVE - Is Pogacar the new Cannibal? | Tour De France 2024 Stage 19 | JB2

Episode Date: July 19, 2024

The dominance of Tadej Pogacar has become somewhat controversial, although it was predicted that this would be the case before the Tour de France even started. We heard from Lance and George this morning on THEMOVE. Find out how Johan feels about it on this episode of JB2.

merckx was the cannibal bogacar's the new cannibal he that's it i mean he's here to win races uh this is a stage that he identified he destroyed the whole field on on this type of stage he got destroyed last year he got humiliated by by visma and by jonas you know so i can understand that he has revenge feelings and that he wants to show, and if he's in such a great shape, you know, like everything seems to work. He is flying. I mean, you cannot not take advantage of that.

You just, I mean, especially on special stages like this, you know, if you're the best guy in New York, Jersey, you need to win this stage. You know, I'm sorry. Hello, and welcome to jb squared it's going to be a heated show today it was already a heated show on the move and of course i like everybody else is going what is johan bruniel gonna say after today's stage i'm dying to know just like you are uh to JB squared I am JB Hager I'm joined by Johan Brunel and we're gonna look at stage 19 and and we'll

cover all the you know the build-up to not just get right to the punch of what pagachar is doing and should he be doing it or not before you are gonna cover that but first thank you very much to Ketone IQ, our title sponsor for JB Squared this year. We're knocking out our ketones before every show, gives us a little bit of an edge. There we go. There we go. Ready. Yeah. And if you want to give Ketone IQ a try, you can get a 30% off your first subscription

order. So, right. That's just do a subscription order, 30% off. Just go to ketone.com slash the move. All right, Johan, let's jump in. I want you to hold off on your opinions about Pogacar and what he should or should not be doing let's sort of go through how the race unfolded first because a surprising number of our listeners listen to us and don't watch every stage so let's paint a picture um it was a good day for a breakaway and it was an interesting breakaway with a couple of Visma guys on it, but go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. So 144 kilometers. We had three big, big mountains, two, two, how do you say, horse category, like special category, called the Vars and called the Labonet, super high, 2,800 meters, and then Isola 2,000.

So super hard race, super hard stage, 4 4 400 meters of elevation uh before we get into the the stage jb i want to you know i did some research you know because uh i was thinking back i i remembered i did call the labonet which i'm called the labonet is a special i mean you will never forget this climb because it's so high so i found this profile uh the last time the tour de france actually went up this climb from that side was 31 years ago 1993 and we did the exact same stage plus the col de lissoir which is a huge climb so four big climbs there was 5 350 meters of elevation so you know i could say what's the big deal guys nowadays 4 400 meters we did 5 350 uh but you know i do remember that though in those days which is actually crazy to think about right now we did this stage and

basically all of the stages uh in that tour de france particularly with 39 23 as the smallest gear um and that was just normal you know i i i am absolutely sure that during that tour de france i never used 25. we we didn't put it on that's amazing that's like yeah and so if you look at this profile you know it was 180 kilometers so 35 kilometers more but you know the 35 kilometers i mean 20 of them are the quality called the which is you know you know so four major climbs um that was a hard stage i mean i i remember i suffered a lot but anyways get let's get into the action of today. And your bike probably weighed a lot more too. I'm just saying.

Well, it was pretty light already, but they were not as fast, not as stiff, not as performing as nowadays, for sure not. It's a big difference, huge difference. I mean, back in the days, I remember I was already on a carbon frame then, but there was a lot of riders on steel frames. Yeah. I was going to say, if you are carbon in 93, that must have been very early days of carbon. Well, you know, it was late 80s, I think, 88, 89. It was the first, I mean, it was not full carbon.

It was carbon tubes and the first, uh, I mean, it was not full carbon and it was carbon tubes and then, uh, aluminum lugs was this, there was this brand that made those, those, uh, frames was called TVT. And then most of the big riders had just, just wanted that kind of bike, that kind of frame that they bought the frames and then they painted them in the team colors. There's a lot of, you will see a lot of pictures from like late 80s, early 90s, and it's all the same frames painted in the team colors. Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyways, you know, as expected, you know, we saw a breakaway from the beginning. Surprisingly, we saw a breakaway from the beginning. Surprisingly, we saw straight away there was three riders from Wiesma in that big break. It was Christophe Laporte and then their two best climbers, Matteo Jorgensen and Wilko Kalderman, together with other riders as Kala Pass, always in there. Jay Hindley again, Simon Yates you know super super good climbers um and uh you know you

could say well visma has a plan right their plan and i was i was thinking what's their plan you know and basically having those especially those two good climbers in that breakaway was was a great situation for visma because they could have three potential scenarios you know they could say okay we have our two best climbers in front today is the day we we it's it's it's a there's a huge climb in the middle it's high altitude jonas has to try to attack if he if he you know can get in front and isolate for achacha or even drop him then we have two riders who can drop back that's scenario one you could also say well we want to have them in front in case jonas gets in trouble in the lead group then we also always have two guys that can wait and

pace him you know or third scenario well if nothing happens we can go for the stage win turns out that scenario three was finally decided i i think it was decided on the road because i i'm pretty sure that initially their goal was to try everything they could they could and plan a big attack of uh of jonas ringgaard on on call the labonet you know i saw you know watching on on on eurosport and i'm i often switch different languages depending on who's talking uh so i think i i i listened to like three or four different languages uh during the during the stage and i i felt this you know like super excitement of the commentators of some of the commentators saying oh you know visma has two guys in the front now we're waiting jonas is gonna attack you know he's gonna isolate or try to drop today and i thought by myself i said

what do you guys talk i mean which race have you guys been watching the last week no it's like okay okay, he can try, but he's not going to drop him. Which, you know, and then finally we, we, we heard after the stage that Jonas actually on,

uh, at halfway called the Labonette has communicated to the team that he didn't feel great, that he was already on the limit and that the guy should go for the stage thing, which of course was a great plan. But man, UAE was strong

today. On Col de la Bonette, especially, hats off to, for me, man of the race, is Niels Pollitt. Niels Pollitt was a beast today. He pulled more than half of Col de la Bonette. The guy weighs, I mean, I'm going to get for sure,

he weighs more than 80 kilos. He's huge. He's super tall. He's strong, you know, and he set a pace. And at some point, they had six riders left. There was only one rider who was Tim Wellens, who was not there anymore. So he had six riders left with Niels Pollitt pulling, and there was only 20 riders who was tim wellens who was not there anymore so you had six riders left

with neil spollett pulling and there was only 20 riders left in that first group jonas was already by himself nobody left he did have two guys up front but you he had six riders so um it was a great uh great situation for them um and then finally you know you could okay the breakaway they lost they started to lose some riders but still i mean you know guys like kelderman and and matteo jorgensen and and carapace and hindley and simon yates uh i mean three ground tour winners, Carapaz, Jay Hindley and Simon Yates in that breakaway. Uh, plus the two best climbers after Matteo Jorgensen, after, uh, Jonas Vingegaard from Visma. So it was a very strong break. Uh, they were collaborating super well.

And, uh, you could, you could say, well, you know, they, they're going to go to the finish, you know, with that four minutes at one point, I think he texted the team thread that the jorgensen was gone it was one yes yeah it looked like it was over at a certain point yeah especially because you know he had three minutes he was gone he was going he had a really good pace of course i did not uh i mean i kind of expected but you know three minutes on a 15-kilometer climb, which the second part is not super, super steep. It's a lot. Of course, it's not a lot when Tadej Pogacar is behind you.

So, yeah, I mean, that didn't really matter that much anymore. But as soon as they got to the bottom of Isola 2000, you could see, okay, these guys want to win the stage. And let's not forget, I saw an interview of Tadej Pogacar before the stage. He did say that this was the stage. This is the stage they've been training on. I've said it yesterday that they had the training camp there and that, you know, this is the queen stage.

And they want to try to win the stage if it's possible. So no one should have been surprised by that. I don't think so. No, no, uh, yeah. So,

yeah, I mean, uh, then finally UAE starts to go super fast at the, at the bottom of Isola. Adam Yates sets a fast pace, you know, there's only five or six guys left and then with eight and a half

kilometers to go Boracagos I mean he's it's come to a point now JB that he's so dominant that he doesn't need to even get out of the saddle anymore to attack and drop them he just went past Adam Yates and he was gone and and there you could see really jonas did not react at any time nor did he go in second position he straight away went to the wheel of ramco and just controlled that wheel you know there that that's it's game over you know that's it i did notice that yeah he just and i'm impressed Remco. Remco's been amazing this tour. But Jonas, some of the stuff you're saying and then watching him just having to sit on Remco's wheel to save as much time as he could,

it all explains more of why he had such a breakdown at the end. He was very emotional. Yeah. And now that I think about it, I didn't think about it earlier this morning. Now that I think about that emotional breakdown, he wanted to attack today, I bet. emotional. Yeah. And now that I think about it, I didn't think about it earlier this morning. Now that I think about that emotional breakdown, he wanted to attack today, I bet. Yeah. And he just couldn't do it. You know what, JB?

I think that's very relative, that thought. You know what I mean? You could say, okay, we're going to try. This is our plan. Listen, after 18 stages, deep down, you know, it's not going to, it's not going to happen. It is not going to happen. You know, everybody knows where their limits are right now. They know who's, you know, half a percent stronger. They know who is 2% stronger. They know everything,

you know? So we're not going to see all of a sudden something that we haven't seen yet until now. So they have to say okay this is our plan we have to try but you could also see already from the team management from bisma they already knew also that it was super super highly unlikely that something like that would happen but listen at least they tried you know they they they set up the plan and then say tactically you have to say today they wrote perfectly you know they they they set up the plan and then say tactically you have to say today they wrote perfectly you know they had they created a situation that they could use in three

different scenarios so um that was that was great writing from them but then yeah just yeah just to paint a picture for our listeners if you didn't see, you know, so Jorgensen's a couple minutes up and you're thinking maybe, maybe. But when Pogacar was ready to reel it in, it was like he was in a different race. He reeled them in so fast. Like you said, he went by Yates, he went by Carapaz. It was night and day difference, the speeds. And you could clearly see also, because he attacked with 8.5k to go. I think

if I remember correctly, it was just under three minutes with Matteo Jorgensen. You could say, okay, he attacks to make a difference with his main rival with Jonas, right? Which he did. I mean, it was impressive he took

in the first 800 meters of that attack he took 30 seconds on Jonas and Remco in 800 meters time uh and then he just kept going and going he was he was flying that but but you know it was not just after like after two three kilometers into that attack let's say with 5K to go, he kept taking time on Jonas and Remco. He said, okay, mission accomplished, right? But you could see he was on a mission. His demeanor was forward, forward, forward to go and get that stage win. There was nothing going to stop him. By the way, I mean, you could clearly see.

I mean, I think he catches Mateo with like 1 and a half K to go 1.7 K to go. Like he, that's when he attacked. That's it. That was a real attack. He attacked when he passed just to make sure that he couldn't get into the slipstream. Yeah. I did notice that. Yeah. That's good writing, right? That's, that's how you're supposed to do it. Don't even let them think about jumping on your wheel, right? No, no, no.

I mean, listen, we're all, of course, I mean, we're fans of Matteo, and Matteo, he's been on our show, and we want to see him win. But, you know, unfortunately today, Joaip and Pogacar had other plans, you know, and I just want to get in a little bit I mean I know that that George was

on the move and you know backed up by Lance saying yeah you know it's not good what Pogacar does

and I can understand that I mean we're all disappointed that Mateo didn't win but if you look at it from

a distance I was thinking when I was listening to the podcast, I said, George, please, man, you need to grow a pair. You know, you need to, I mean, this is, listen, Pogacar is the new cannibal. That's it. You know, Eddie Merckx was the cannibal. Pogacar is the new cannibal. That's it. I mean, he's here to win races uh this is a stage that he identified he destroyed the whole field on on this type of stage he got destroyed last year he got humiliated by by visma and by Jonas

you know so I can understand that he has revenge feelings and that he wants to show. And if he's in such a great shape, you know, like everything seems to work. He is flying. I mean, you cannot not take advantage of that. You just, I mean, especially on special stages like this, you know, if you're the best guy in New York Jersey, you need to win this stage. You know, I'm sorry. That's just the cruelty of top sport, right? I mean, he's not in here to give gifts.

I'm pretty sure tomorrow, for example, they're not going to go for the stage win. But today, they were on a mission. Before the start, I think everybody knew that UAE was going to ride to win the stage. So I don't know why everybody's so surprised. You know, you know what it just made me think of now it's like, people love boxing matches, right? Some of the most money exchange for two people in the, in all of sport. And how do they build the hype they put them in the same room and let them push and shove each other just to build you know that and that's

what builds all the anticipation from that you know to be I mean like if you if you look i mean if i if if i put myself i i'm trying to transport myself into the tour right and and put myself on one of those two teams it's uae versus visma listen they're in the middle of the biggest event of the world they have worked towards this it's their big goal these guys don't like each other i mean they hate each other i'm pretty sure that the guys from visma say ah these fucking guys from uae and from uae said this fucking visma guys are breaking our balls you know and that's just the nature of the sport you know i mean it happens all the time they don't like each other. So, you know, then to come back to my position, like, you know, Pogacar being too greedy or this, I mean, imagine this, Chibi.

So Wismar sets up a plan to basically try to destroy Pogacar. That's their plan. So they send their good guys in front and they're going to try to destroy Pogacar and UA's their plan. So they sent their good guys in front and they're going to try to destroy Pogacar and UAE on Col de la Bonette. It doesn't work out.

Jonas doesn't have the legs. Okay, it doesn't work out. Does that mean then that all of a sudden Pogacar needs to, has to let them win the stage? I'm saying you're not winning this.

You tried to screw me on the bike, you saying that you're not winning this. You tried to screw me on the bike. You're not winning. I'm winning. I'm going to show you who's the boss. So I don't get that. Right now, I'm pretty sure that Visma and Matteo is disappointed and even a bit angry with

pogolacha with uae i mean that's only logical that's only logical i mean everybody's there to try to do something you know and for a guy like mateo is it would have been amazing to win this stage you know and he has the legs to win a stage like this um but i think once his you know disappointment and his anger is going to go away a little bit, he's going to say, Hey, you're okay. No, we need to, we need to go on. You know, this is, this is bike racing. So I disagree with, with George and with Lance on this. They're probably going to say, yeah, you know, you're always like this. Okay. Listen, Eddie Merckx, Eddie Merckx, it's a long time ago, but if you ask people from within cycling and from outside of cycling, who are, for example, the two greatest bike riders in history?

They're going to say Eddie Merckx and Bernard Hinault. Those are the two greatest, strongest guys. They were in the business to destroy their competition. You know, Eddie Merckx, one year, he started the Tour de France. I don't remember which year it was. He was yellow jersey from start to finish. 21 days yellow. He won the green jersey.

He won the mountains jersey. There was no white jersey, but there was a young competition. He won that. Yeah. And I've seen somewhere, one of the stages he won it with eight minutes on the second. Eight minutes by himself. Back in the days in Franceance he was also booed but it doesn't make him a bad guy i mean he's he's he's he was a great bike rider and on the bike he was i know eddie personally right he's one of the greatest people you can imagine he's one of the kindest, warm-hearted, good-hearted people you can imagine.

Apparently, on the bike, he was an animal. You know, he sprinted for everything. He gave nothing away, never. Yeah. It's only how people reflect on it in history. They're going to, like 10, 20 years from now, they're not going to remember that. They're just going to remember how Pogacar dominated. Yeah. And Bernard, you know, for example, you know,

for the people who have listened to the interview we did, the Move Legends, he told me, he said, you know, like, he was in it. Like, he got pleasure out of destroying his rivals. Like, make them suffer and destroying them. That was his drive. He won a bunch of bike races. He won five times the Tour, three times the Giro, I think, two times the Vuelta, World Champion.

He won everything. But his motivation was destroy my competition. That was his main pleasure. Not winning the bike races. It was to put the pain on them well it's you know now the the conversation starts with the pagachar and how many wins and the company he's in is pretty Elite it's crazy 15 stage wins in the tour 81st pro win at 25 25 years old and then we looked it up you know like how many days in yellow he is tied for sixth in history with 38 days or 38 yellow jerseys like and and

you look ahead of him and it's Ankatil Froome in Doreorain, Hinault, Merckx. Like, okay. Right. At 25 years old, that's the company he's in. Yeah. I think there's a, I think there's a guy from Texas who also had a few yellow jerseys. He's not on that official list, but I've seen all of those jerseys being put on his, on his back. Yeah. I think he's technically, well, he would be third or fourth, something like that but you know it's you you know even he's like way ahead of lamond lamond was 18th on that list yeah they called you know they the eddie merckx was called the cannibal because you know he he

wanted to win everything this is the new cann cannibal. This is the modern cannibal. Whenever he races, he goes for the win. I mean, in the Giro, I think yesterday we talked about that. There was a stat that this year, in all the mountain stages he did in stage races, there's only two of them he didn't win two so why are we so to your point

why are we surprised yeah I mean it's gonna be disappointment if he doesn't win tomorrow you're kind of you're very influential number four tomorrow is not

tomorrow is not it's not win number 18 for Pogacar it's lose lost number four tomorrow lost number four tomorrow is not tomorrow is not it's not win number 18 for pogacar it's lose lost number four tomorrow lost number four it's easier to count his losses wow yeah and they were they were called the cannibal and the badger for a reason it wasn't the the kitten and the butterfly no no it was not wow okay so you don't think he'll do this again tomorrow i don't think he can control himself well you know he said he said you know like tomorrow normally we let the breakaway stage go breakaway go but but then he says but you never know

you know let's let's put it to be let's believe it when we see it. Right. I mean, it's, it's, it's tempting. But honestly, I think, I mean,

I think the guys who are really going to want to push him to not win the stage are his teammates. They don't want to do this every day. This is, this is a nightmare. It's so hard, you know, like having two in your pocket,

knowing that, you know, all the teammates except Almeida and Yates they can take it easy in the time trial they want another day of like relatively easy tomorrow you know so yeah if the breakaway goes then you will set the pace uh and for for them that's going to be a good day in the office if it's not a pace to go in for the stage win. And now, not to get too ahead of ourselves, because I know we're going to talk about it tomorrow, is like Tadej could just destroy this time trial at the end too.

Yeah, I think in this condition, there's no question who's going to win the time trial. And no one questions a man in's going to win the time trial it just goes up and no one no one questions a man in yellow if they crush a time trial well that's another thing you know like i say okay why are you so greedy why are you so greedy i mean let's say pogacar uh doesn't win tomorrow uh he has five minutes he's winning the tour for sure. He's going to want to win that time trial. You could say, why do you want to win that time trial? Don't be so greedy. Let somebody else win.

Every GC guy wants to win the time trial. Exactly. Exactly. You've swayed my opinion. What's the difference between trying to win a mountain stage and winning a time trial? There's no difference. There's no difference. I mean, a mountain stage and winning a time prize? No difference. Yeah. There's no difference.

Yeah. I mean, not, not in my book, at least. Um, another thing we, uh,

we need to mention, uh, JB is that, uh, I did, I did not expect this, but, uh,

the mountains Jersey changed owner. Got a pass again in the breakaway today, uh, has now the mountains jersey and most likely will have the mountains jersey in Nice in the final day. That's big for that team.

Huge. Just that one rider too. Yeah. Yellow jersey stage win and now the mountains jersey taking it to the finish that's that's big

I mean Carapaz is just he's you know he's he's on a mission you know he wants to finish this this tour you know

the best he can I mean he started a bit and he did take the yellow jersey that day but you could see

it was not the usual Carapaz, but he's in all these breakaways. Tomorrow he's going to be, there's absolutely no possibility that Carapaz is not in the breakaway tomorrow. That's just not happening. He's going to go in the breakaway and he will mark points at least on the first two or three

climbs. I liked seeing him coming back and it made me think about the Vuelta. I liked seeing him coming back and it made me think about the Vuelta. I didn't see it on his schedule. And again, getting ahead of myself, do we know who some big names are that are committed to the Vuelta? The top guys?

Sepp Kuss is defending his title. I would expect, not sure, I haven't seen confirmation, I would expect if Primoz recovers that he's going for the Vuelta. Then Henrik Maas, of course, you know, he's been treated on second. There's another stat here I have, JB, it's funny. It's from Dan Lloyd. You know who Dan Lloyd is, right?

From GCN. He tweeted out, it's funny actually if Tadej Pogacar was a team on his own just him he would currently be sitting in 10th place in the 2024 world tour team win rankings

and one place in front of the whole team of Ineos Tadej Pogacar by himself is better than the whole Ineos team together in terms of wins and points. It's crazy. And we've talked about it already on the show, but Ineos going home empty-handed is like…

That's… I mean, and today you could clearly see, you know, Carlos Rodriguez is not on the same level as last year. He's trying, but, you know, he's just, I don't know if he even, I don't know if he lost. No, he's still in sixth. But, you know, he was only, I think he was only a few seconds behind Mikel Landa. Now he's two minutes behind Mikel Landa. So that's going the wrong direction.

Landa, I have to say london surprisingly good you know he's uh he's there for ramco when he needs him and he's in fifth position and he's only uh he's less than 25 seconds behind fourth place so here's a guy who said he said that he's going to try to gain time on Almeida tomorrow so um so that's going to be interesting and you know Matteo Jorgensen enters the top 10 again he's going to stay there uh I think he'd rather have a stage win than top 10 that's still really good yeah I mean ninth place and and Derek G I mean he's really really surprising me derek g holding on to eighth place fighting for his dear life i saw the poor guy i saw images of him on on the teams on his

team's social media like like one two minutes after the finish i mean you see you feel so bad for those guys he was like he could not say one word he could not say one word just like basically looking okay where am i where am i he was he was really really really empty but uh he's hanging on to that eighth place i would not have expected that he did finish third in the dauphine but i thought that he would drop down a bit. And I mean, for him to be top 10 in the Tour, that's huge. And for that team also, by the way. Okay.

And we didn't... Any thoughts on Soudal? We haven't talked about that. We've spent so much time on Wiesema UAE, but Soudal's coming out with a great Tour. Yeah. I mean, for a team that doesn't have a history of of grand tours i mean they have two guys in the top five which is i mean they would never have expected this uh so i mean great to see them uh and also like great team support you know like

because uh until until quite far into the, on the last climb, they still had another guy. They had Jan Hirtz also. So there were three Sudal Quickstep guys there. So they're obviously, I mean, in great shape. I mean, it always, if, listen, if the leader is in good shape and rides well, it's contagious.

And then other guys go beyond their limits to try to support him. uh it's good to see them yeah it is good it seems like just a few years ago we were like oh my God it was not sudal quick it was Dakota quick step but we were like they already have 30 some wins and we're only halfway into the season it's and then now that they're quiet in the spring which is abnormal normally anything quick step related over many years was is dominant in the spring not not so much this year so this is this is big yeah yeah yeah really good performance great tour for them yeah okay you ready for ventum trivia yep all right just a couple more days to enter to try to win a brand new Ventum NS1.

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Yesterday's question was it's widely known that Remco evitapool was a soccer star before his cycling career. What are their endurance event? Did he compete in 2016? Bonus if you know the time. It wasussels half marathon that he finished in a time of hour 16 minutes that's that's that's very fast 13th overall wow um this 2016 2016 so he must have been 16 years old it was eight years ago yeah he's just 24. and was he was he a good enough uh soccer player that he could have been gone pro oh yeah yeah he was the captain of the nash of the belgian youth uh oh really yeah yeah he was really. Yeah. He was really good. Yeah. It was really good. That's a tough toss up for a Belgian.

If you're that good at cycling or soccer or football, as they call it, Ooh, that's a tough choice. No, no, he was, I think he was, uh, I don't remember now, but one of the, so he was, he was the captain of the Belgian selection, the age group. And then he, uh, he, he got signed by a Dutch, uh, like top team,

like the top club. I don't know if it's PSV or I think it was PSV. It's a big team. I bet you every time he's, he's on the deck after going down, he's like, I should have played soccer. You know,

he was never, he was never, I never I mean he's he's already been the best in the world in several disciplines and cycling that was never gonna happen in soccer he was good but he was never gonna be number one okay today's question let's see name five American cyclists men and women competing in the road race and time trial in the upcoming Paris Olympics okay send your answer to ventum racing comm slash the move good luck to you and also for the remainder of July I'm sure you're waiting to see if you win a bike if you don't you want to buy a brand new ventum 20% off. When you check out, just use the code, the move 20, and you'll get 20%. 20% off is a pretty good discount on a brand new bike.

A couple of questions for you. Here we go. Joe writes, thank you for providing coverage for cycling, not only for the tour, but year round. I been a long time fan and missed the glory days of you guys winning seven tours in a row i do a lot of reading and have read johan's biography george's biography and several by lance what are some of the best books or biographies about cycling in general do you have a recommendation of something that i i don't read any cycling books i should have i should have asked you before that just say my book not even not even not even books about myself i've read uh you know i've not seen any of the documentaries that they made about us you know good or bad really you avoid this stuff well you know i good or bad. Really? You avoid this stuff? Well, you know, I mean, it's, I have a complete, I mean,

because I've lived it and I know exactly what happened and how it happened. And, and it's, you know, I've, I've started watching one of them and I said, you know what? I mean, they're taking this into a direction that this is not the way it happened. So I got frustrated. I said, you know what? I don't want to see it. It's, it's just, you know, it's, it's all put together in a way that, that it's, it's, you know, for the viewer to be attractive, but that's not the way it happened. So,

I mean, no, I don't know. I will just say this cause I just read it this, this past year, the, the Daniel Frieba book on John Ulrich is quite good I actually collaborated with Daniel on that yeah there's a lot of you in there it's a it's very good it's very good in fact I mean you guys were had the rivalries like that and it it there's a it feeds there's a lot of fuel that comes from that right oh it was it was postal versus t-mobile or telecom it was you know like we hated each other you know like it's like no we absolutely didn't like each other so so, so yeah, I mean, I understand what's going on there.

That's sport. Yeah. That's sport. Let's see, Joe, thanks for your question. Here's another one from Mark. You briefly discussed some differences in training programs at Pagachar between this year and last year. I was wondering if you could discuss some of the major differences between this current training program and the training programs 20 years ago when Lance was winning. I'm assuming the advancements in the science of training has something to do with the record-breaking performances we're seeing this year. Yeah, of course. I mean just i don't have any specifics about how they train i think it's it's it's dozens of things that are different yeah it's a lot of

things i mean for me for me the the the big the big change to be a part of you know the technology and the bikes and the equipment is all a lot better than bikes clothing helmets aerodynamics it's all nutrition but for me the the big change is that everything they do not just not just the cyclists or the or the athletes but basically everybody in the whole world everything they do is monitored everything is measured you can measure whatever you can measure you improve if you don't measure it you're not going to you're not going to work towards improving and so that's also why you see for example you know like the if you look for example you see okay pogachar knows exactly what he's doing he knows when to attack how fast to go he keeps it to the finish you you know, except that one day where he forgot to eat.

But if you look at Remco, for example, and even Jonas, they're not breaking down. I mean, once they, once they get to their limit and they see that that's their limit and they, they're, they can't follow. Well, I'll try to just go down a tiny bit, like half of a percent and they keep that same effort until the finish. And it's like that with everything. Whatever you measure, you improve. And I think that's the whole, measuring your effort is the biggest advancement,

in my opinion. Everybody who rides a bike, you go go out on your bike you're on strava you look at your times you try to do a better time you push yourself everybody at their own level but i mean imagine these guys they measure their performance their heart rate their calorie consumption their body temperature uh how much they have to refill in terms of minerals and liquids the recovery all the different systems for recovery yeah they did have just come around in the last 10 years yes it's pretty insane I know it used to just be like legs up on the bus right and now they've got all these mechanisms and supplements

and yeah ways to recover well i mean that's also why for example i mean listen today they're all dead yeah all these guys that fought for the stage today they're all empty we're going to see these same guys tomorrow in the break it's all going to be the same guys they're all going to see these same guys tomorrow in the break. It's all going to be the same guys. They're all going to be recovered. Yeah. Some of those same top five climbers who just put it on the absolute limit today. Exactly. Yeah.

Okay. Now I'm really looking forward to outcomes today. That's going to be a good one. Cool. We'll wrap it up here. Send any questions. Just a couple more days left. The move at wedo.team.

And I don't know if you heard Johan we are gonna have it's kind of on the heels of the question that we just got from mark Bobby Julek is gonna join the show tomorrow to talk about oh see because he's a very active coach with very good writers and he's gonna give us an idea of the training differences now and what he's applying with riders versus um yeah that era you know that's amazing yeah it'll be very very good he's he's kind of a mad scientist uh again send questions for johan the movie we do that team thank you for tuning in everyone and johan will be back tomorrow okay thanks jimmy