THEMOVE - Is UAE's Playing the Long Game? | Vuelta a España Stage 4 Analysis & Stage 5 Preview | THEMOVE+

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down Ben Turner's surprise win on the fourth stage of the Vuelta a España, where David Gaudu narrowly took the race lead from Jonas Vingegaard on an otherwise quiet day for the GC. Before they go, they preview tomorrow's critical stage, which features what will be a hotly contested team time trial, and discuss how they think the race will unfold and who presents the best betting value. Use our special link to see where you can bet in your area and claim the best sign-up offers https://nxtbets.com/betoutcomes/ Rugiet Ready: Head to https://rugiet.com/THEMOVE and use code THEMOVE to get 15% off today. Fabric: Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to help protect their family. Apply today in just minutes at https://meetfabric.com/THEMOVE. Policies issued by Western-Southern Life Assurance Company. Not available in certain states. Prices subject to underwriting and health questions.

Man, Yonis and Vizma are really putting a lot of energy into this. And you know who's not putting as much energy into this? UAE. And then you look at the second half for the route. And you think, would I really want to invest any excess energy outside of those stages? Because I know I'm the seconds guy. I'm always saying every second counts. You know, I understand.

And modern cycling, 10 seconds is a lot. But you look at those stages and you think, will 10, 12 seconds on stage 2 really matter? Probably not. I think the same way as you say now. Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Brinio. We are breaking down stage four of the Valta Espania, won by Ben Turner over Jasper Philipson in Edward Blancart. And we, after we break this down, we will preview tomorrow's stage five, a critical team time trial that I'm actually quite interested to see. But just a quick primer on what happened during today's stage. We had mountains. If you looked at the profile, it kind of looked like a mountain stage, but it really was always going to be a sprint stage because we don't really see the mountains on TV. They cross the Alps like Adrian.

We don't see it. And then the breakways caught with 90K to go quite early. Mads Pedersen wins pacing from Little Trek. And then Mads Pedersen wins the intermediate sprint gets full 20 points. Ethan Vernon second. Julia Chacona gets in fourth. And then I think David Godotu's fifth. trying to get up there for those bonus seconds.

That means yes, for Philipson gets nothing. Coming into the finish, Ben Turner is positioned very far up by Mikhail Kiyivkoski from his NEO's teammate. It's a, I would say, unnecessarily hectic finish. And then with 500 meters to go, Mads Pedersen is in pretty good position. Alpison goes left. Other teams go right. Ben Turner follows Alpison.

Matt Spetterson misses that move. He's immediately caught behind, already out of the race, basically. And then Ben Turner just kind of perfectly reads the road and the final few hundred meters sprints ahead to win the stage over Philipson, who's probably not at his best. I think it's Turner's second World Tour win in the last 30 days, but only his third win, pro win of his career. So he's definitely trending up.

Other highlight of the day is David Gadoo finishes far enough in front of Yonis Fendergarde, not time-wise, just placing-wise. Since they're tied on time, then it pushes Gadu's cumulative finish position up high enough that he takes the race lead in France, which is probably significant for him. Jonas Vinegard gets rid of the Red Jersey before the time trial. It's perfect for both parties. But Johan, what is your take of the day? Yeah, well, you summed it up perfectly.

Actually, before we start to talk about the race, I checked. Yesterday, we said, you know, there's two climbs at the beginning. Those climbs are really hard. It was Mont-Geneuve, which is hard. I mean, from that side, it's a bit. And then the other climb, the second climb is the Cole of Lottare, which is the beginning of the Gallibier, actually. Because you go up the Cold of Lotare, and if you would take a right, that's like the Galibier, where last year, Bacchar attacked in the tour and dropped Jonas.

So that's where they went up. So anyway, my take of the day, of course, I mean, it's Ben Turner. win, but actually the story behind Ben Turner's win. I mean, I don't know if you've seen this, Spencer, super, super interesting. He talked about it in the interview, but Ben Turner was started the Renewy Tour. He was at the Renewit Tour. He was not supposed to ride the Vuelta. And on Friday, so Renewit Tour started, I guess, so Wednesday, Thursday, Thursday,

Friday, Saturday. So it was the third day in the enemy tour, in the bus. One of the directors said, hey, you know, we have an issue. Is it, is it Chris Harper on the nails? Chris Harper is on J-Co, I believe, right? Somebody. I mean, I don't know who it was. There was somebody.

It's a similar writer. That's not Chris Harper because Chris Harper is the guy who won in, who won in the Giro, right? He won the stage in the Giro. Anyway, I don't remember who it was, but they said, well, you know, this guy, he can't race the Vuelta, who wants to go. And Ben Turner said, I want to go at the Renévi Tour on Friday. Which overlaps with the Vuelta.

Yeah. So instead of doing the stage on Friday, he abandoned the Renovinawit tour, took a plane to Italy, and started the Vuelta on Saturday. on Saturday and four days later he wins the stage that's that's quite something isn't the second time that's happened to eneos this year do you remember earlier in the year they won a prologue at a stage race I want to say Romandy was Sam Watson and Sam Watson was flown in the night before correct correct and then wins the stage yeah correct something to that perhaps yeah yeah so that's that the story behind the

victory of Ben Turner is my fact of the day. Wow, it's a really impressive win. I mean, he won, if you were a real sicko and you're watching Tour of Poland, he wins stage three of the Tour of Poland. Impressive, it was a hard stage. You know, he's not like a, he's not a sprinter. He's kind of a, I guess, like a hilly one-day rider, but then even going all the way back to stage 12 of the Giro to tell you this year, it's, if you remember, Wow, Vener

had this amazing lead out, Olaf Coy wins, Casper Ben, who. And second, Ben Turner was third. And I remember that stage thinking, wow, that's a pretty good bunchment result for Ben Turner. And then today, he puts it all together. Like, this guy's been a big talent for a long time. He's 26 years old. Only three wins. And then, but if you think about it, like he won this stage back in 2023.

And I thought, wow, he's going to go on to win a lot. He goes dormant basically for two years. And now he's won two World Tour races within basically 20 days. Yeah. So very good run of form for Ben Turner. So the rider, Ben Turner is replacing is Lucas Hamilton. Okay. He was the guy.

I mean, he was probably one of their, you know, like the main support guys also for, for Egham Bernal. But that's quite, quite impressive. You know, I mean, it's also, I mean, takes a lot of courage from a guy like Ben Turner who obviously he's been racing a lot. Now the last few weeks, I guess, you know, Poland, Renewy to say, hey, yeah, I want to go. I mean, it's a three-week commitment. You have to decide in a split second. That's quite something. Not everybody would be ready to do that, you know, or have the confidence to say,

hey, I'm going. The day before. Yeah. Kind of, yeah, it's kind of an intense thing to commit to 24 hours before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so he was being led out by Mikhail Kipkoski, and then you said, I didn't see it, full disclosure. But you said after the stage that Kivkowski was incredibly emotional about it.

Yeah, I was surprised to see, you know, Kuzovsky was incredibly emotional. They interviewed him. I mean, you know, I mean, Kutkovsky is, he's won some big races in his career. You know, he was world champion. He won Amstall Gold race twice, I think. I think he won it twice. He won Milan San Remo, stage at the Tourier world champion. And he was extremely.

emotional for a stage within the Vuelta of a teammate. So obviously, we all know also Gwetkovsky comes back from difficult season. I think he had an injury, a knee injury, which he had never had that kind of situation to deal with. And I could see already in Poland that he was, you know, quite emotional. But yeah, it also shows, I think, the fact that Ketkovsky had this, you know, was so emotional. But Ben Turner is obviously a guy who always gives it 100% for his teammates. And every single one of his teammates just wants to see Ben Turner win. And today was the proof, seeing Vyatkovsky's interview after the finish was telling.

The funny thing about Ineos is, so the first seven months of the season, they had six World Tour wins. Essentially, in the last month, they have five. But they've been doing it. You know, the big conversation about Ineos, like what we were talking about, yesterday. It's like, who can they add? Who can they add? But it's really like couch cushion cash that they've been coasting out. Like, Tim and Aronsman, who's been on the team for a long time, gets two wins at the two stages of the tour. Ben Turner has two World Tour wins. And then Victor Langolotti. It's like these guys that have been there, I guess Langelotti's a new signer,

but he was not a highly touted signing. Like, it's just these people hiding in plain sight that are now kind of blossoming for the team. Like, what do you attribute that to? Well, they, they're they just race differently you know they mean they've been in a else has been stuck into that pattern that they had you know in the in you know since when would i say since 2012 i would guess 2012 when bradley wiggins won the tour de france uh for the first time for them and then they had this series of wins and grand tours and they had this pattern of racing we control what we can do control and then our leader finishes it off and they can't kept going like this, even when they didn't have that finisher anymore. And I think they made the switch. They made the switch. They raised differently. It's the whole season already that they raised differently.

And I mean, it pays off. They had some really good wins already this year where in the past, we've been critical of, you know, saying, hey, what is he nails doing? Why are they racing like this if they have nobody who can win the race or finish it off? So it's definitely, yeah. a good a good change and they've been i mean it's been like that since like high end you know back in early season like they just started the season fundamentally different that they have in the years past the other big takeaway of the day well i guess here we should talk about the the writer

i picked matt's betterson just completely out of position second day that i don't want to say he's been like alone i just i rewatched yesterday's finish and it's like ooh the fact that Chikone is going for G.C., like, kind of left him a little short-handed, perhaps, and then today he's, like, freelancing in the final few hundred meters when Philipson still is a lead-out rider. Like, what is going on with Little Trek in the last few hundred meters here? I mean, look, if you look at today's stage, also, if you look at the top 10, you know, there's not many sprinters there. I mean, there's not many sprinters. First of all, there's not many sprinters at this wealth. That's, let's start with this. You know, like, there's guys

there that you wouldn't expect to be there and I don't know I mean obviously a little track they do a lot of work during the stage so it's obviously difficult to have guys remaining in the final but today was you know today was a stage where I think

Pedersen had a chance you know it's the fort day some kind of fatigue starts to settle in you know but Spencer you know I think the last time Patterson did the Vuelta was 2002 when he won the points jersey

you know Peterson didn't win his first stage until stage 13 in that Vuelta I did not know that it took him 13 stages to win his first stage and then he went another stage and then

he had a couple of second places but he didn't win until stage 13 so you know it's still time it's still time he's obviously a guy who gets or he keeps his power when through the stage race where others fade away is actually i remember this because we recorded our outcomes from munich and he had three second places basically to start the race in the netherlands which is where that race started yeah i had forgotten this yeah that's a very

good point johan you know it's almost like wout vina he almost reminds me a wow vintr right now he can like start grand tours a little yeah slow in turn of stage wins and then it's like once the engine gets turning over it's impossible to stop him um only thing is on points classification so peterson takes the lead today because he picks up max points at the intermediate sprint still a decent amount of points at the finish like 15 points at the finish he's leading ethan vernon by two points the problem here is fifth place yonas vinaigard 65 points and i looked at the second half of this race it's not like the tour where the sprint points are at the beginning like you're going to have to get very deep into these mountain stages to score sprint points. So it could be

that Jonas Finnegaard is walking into a points jersey at this fault. Or at least he's going to be difficult to stop. Maybe Pedersen is up to the challenge. I think, you know, we've talked about that yesterday, Spencer, you know, when we tried to find an explanation of why Jonas was sprinting. And, you know, we said, yeah, maybe he wants to go for the points jersey or, I mean, thinking back on that statement, I just can't imagine Jonas Wingergart making. it an objective at the start of the race it's if he wins the points jersey it's going to come to him it's i mean i can't see him going after it already now that's just that's just ridiculous well even looking back it's more confusing because even yesterday after yesterday's stage i

thinking huh that's kind of weird that yonis was sprinting for the finish because if he finishes further back david go do takes the race lead yonis goes into the time trial without the leaders jersey which is everybody's goal because it's just physically faster and I guess it's nice not to have the leadership so you get to go home early who doesn't want to go home but yeah well I think Spencer I think

you know our I think our theory about the skin suits and stuff we've been debating about it during the tour also I just I just think they don't care and they you know and plus for a team time trial it's not you know

it's not as important as for an invisible time trial because you know you're in the bubble of the team um i just don't i just don't think that's the reason uh today obviously we saw that we'll do uh is in red jersey now uh i am pretty confident that that's even a prearranged conversation they had with vinger guard saying vinger guard saying hey you know what i'm not i'm not interested i'm going to sit back just make sure you're in the front and that you know because they were on the same time right so it was whoever had the better placings as long as there's enough spaces in between uh i think that's a conversation that happened at the start of the of the stage or even before um or even even yesterday

at the warm down uh the cool down on the rollers um just because you know wingerard just didn't want to do podium today, you know, didn't want to do the interviews. I think it's highly likely he has it back tomorrow. So it's just one day. Yeah. But that's something that it was just for the listeners, this, I mean, it may be difficult to understand. This was pre-arranged. Godu knew because he had for sure a conversation with Wingerard, at least in the stage that Jonas would not be up there in the finish. And as long as Godu was up. there and there was 5, 10, 50 places in between, he would have the leader jersey, which is great for Godu. You know, I mean, red jersey and a grand tour in France, it's a good, it's a good

morale booster. Yeah, it's like a win-win too. Because like I said, then Jonas gets to go home, go home right after the stage. She doesn't have to stay for the podium. I would want to do that. So I would say, yeah, it sounds great. Take the red jersey. Someone commented during the tour. I thought was a pretty good comment on one of our videos and it was like well how how can these behind the scenes deals be allowed if they're taking money because i bet they're what the bet of the day that we didn't do that i'm kicking myself for is go do over vindigard head to head because it was probably always going to happen this way if you knew that deal if you're privy to that information you would have had a massive advantage but i don't really have an answer for that person i don't know

It's just an audit of pro cycling. I guess that outcomes get fixed behind the scenes and then they still take money on it. And if you, yeah, if you know that, that's a huge advantage. My advice would be try to figure that out before the event happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And another thing, Spencer, I wanted to get your opinion on, you know, the sprint itself, right? So we have at some point Alpacin, we already knew they had the strongest lead out here. And so they had, I don't know who it was, but anyway, the last guy was Edward Plunkard to lead out Jasper Phillips.

And it looked like, you know, it was basically a walk in the park, three guys from Alperson, Philipsin and third position, then gets in second position. And something went wrong, in my opinion, and also listening to the interview of Jasper. I mean, he was, first of all, he was quite upfront saying that, you know, he doesn't have the super legs that he should have to win these sprints. But, you know, he already won a stage today he's second. So his legs are not that bad. But it seemed to me like there was a miscommunication. Edward Plunkard was leading it out on the left side of the road. But he went to the left with Philipson on the left side of his wheel.

Yeah. And on top of that, the road was bending a little bit. So, you know, Philipson said that he was trying to shout at Blancard, but, you know, it was so noisy with the people that Blancard, I mean, and it's true. I mean, especially with 100, 150 meters to go, you hear nothing, right? It's so loud that you hear nothing. So how did you see it go wrong for opposite? Yeah, well, we should also say we looked at it on Google Maps yesterday and I thought that is kind of a weird road that they're finishing on. And if you looked at the way the barriers are set up, they're going all over the place, even in the final straightaway, like drifting left right.

And I thought Ben Turner got a peek out because he was sitting a little further out of the paceline, the slipstream. And I think he could see it bending a bit. And it's almost like he followed out there on the left side of the barriers. And it starts to like go right. and Ben Turner just jumps before anyone else does. And he jumps right into open space. And as you said, Philipson's almost pinned against the barrier by his own leadout rider.

And it's like in that moment, especially on a slight uphill, like if Ben Turner gets a gap, like you're not going to close that gap on him. So I do kind of wonder the narrative right now is, well, Phillipson, he's just not fit. That's why he's losing this.

It's like, well, he's really only had one flat sprint and he won it. And then he gets jumped today by Ben Turner, like a very astute heads up Ben Turner and even a very fit Philipson's going to have a hard time correcting that mistake if he he's essentially pinned into the barrier by his own rider like if Planckart pulls out right then it kind of pushes Turner so he doesn't have as good of a straight line and then Philipson can sprint but yeah well I think some of it just comes

out of the weirdness of the finish what's that some of it comes out to just the weird like who is anticipating the barriers just to be going left right like there's a just going on. Well, you know, they know. I mean, the writers know. They have all the information. They have, you know, they see it on, on Velo Viewer, uh, plus they have people scouting. And, you know, they have people up front. So whatever is not visible on, on Velo Viewer. Uh, of course, it always looks different when the race has the setup and, you know, the barriers and the finishing arch and stuff like that. But they know, they know. When do those get set up, Johan? What's that? Like, when do those get set up, like morning of? Yeah, the morning off, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the morning off. Yeah. But, no, I mean, it's, it would be, I mean, of course, it's easy to say, right? When we're sitting here behind our screen, what Blancard should have done is just stay in them, you know, that there was room on both sides, you know, and then basically Philipson can decide, right, whether he goes left or right. If the lead-out is printing on the left side of the barriers and keeping it close, there's only one way to go for Philipson.

It's to the right side. You could say, well, who made the mistake? Is it the lead-out guy? Is it Philipson who was on the wrong side of the wheel? You know, yeah, it's we won't know. But I think bottom line is that Turner is on great form. and that Philipson is good, but not super. Yeah.

Well, Plankert would probably say he was on the wrong side of the wheel, and there was wide open space he should have sprinted into just like Ben Turner. I would just guess. That's what Planker would say. Maybe Philipson has a different read on it. But I guess that's as you say, you can't decide that in the final. Philipson said, you know, that was his explanation, but it was not like he was pissed off or.

angry with his teammate you know i mean these things do happen right i mean it's so fast it's everything is so you know in a split second that there's you know communication doesn't get anywhere you can only there's nothing you can do i mean that's that's why sprints are always so unpredictable you know you can you can say well opposite phoenix or alpacin de kunning they have the strongest lead out train with this phillipson is the strongest sprinter how can this go wrong and it all will almost always go wrong right this so yeah i mean you have to come up with the plan before you're in the final hundred years too because as you say like if you stand on the side of these roads it's you can't hear anything like there's no way they they could hear each

other um just another quick note before we go on not quinn simmons sean quin was in the breakaway today american on eF we were talking it just reminded me we were talking yesterday about Derek G. potentially leaving to go to Enos. And I remembered this morning, I was like, I ran into Sean Quinn in 2020, I think it was 2024. He was doing his pre-tour training camp in Boulder, like by himself, which I was thinking, well, if you're on Enios or you're on Visima, you're on UAE, you're probably not setting up your own pre-tour altitude camp and then crashing on a friend's couch. So just to give people an illustration of maybe some of the infrastructure differences behind the scenes at these teams.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that may be one of the reasons also why Derek G is considering, you know, leaving. Although I do think that Israel Premier Tech, they do invest quite a bit in training camps and stuff. But anyway, we won't know. We won't know. And I think we spent enough time on it yesterday. We will now wait to see how it pans out, right? Before we talk about tomorrow stage, Spencer, I have a question from a good friend of mine from the UAE who is, you know, watching the race, a big cycling fan, good friend of mine, and he asked if we could, you know, ask this question on the podcast and then his question is, you know, do you, I mean, obviously Vizma is performing really well, UAE came with a

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We don't really know. We'll find out in the coming days. I was thinking yesterday, I was putting my newsletter together that, man, Jonas and Vizma are really putting a lot of energy into this. And you know who's not putting as much energy into this? UAE. And then you look at the second half of the route and you think, would I really want to invest any excess energy outside of those stages?

Because I know I'm the second sky. I'm always saying every second counts, you know, I understand. Modern cycling, 10 seconds is a lot, but you look at those stages and do you think, will 10, 12 seconds on stage 2 really matter? Probably not. I think the same way as you say now. I think there's not much to gain. They're not losing anything, I mean, except, you know, those 10 seconds from the station of Jonas, but they're not losing anything. And they're just biding their time. They have a strong team. You know, they're looking at it the first week. Okay, I mean, obviously tomorrow they have to go full gas because it's the team time trial. And that's real time, right? But other than that, I'm not overly worried about UAE not being. I mean, it's not that they're not visible.

They're not up there in the top rankings for the moment in the stage wins. But, yeah, I mean, I can I can ensure my friend from Dubai that they are biding their time and they're going to come to the forefront when it really matters. But do you know who they remind me of? actually is Jonas Vindigard at the 2022-2020 23 Twitter friends like his strategy was always

sit back like like a fish on the line like let Pagachar run wild through the first 10 stages and I'm going to pull him back in the second half so it's very strange to see this flips now like I might know what to make of it

well I think you know as we said before I think Jonas has great legs he just wants you know the stage win was important for the morale You know, but he'll start riding also conservatively now because, I mean, we haven't seen nothing in this wealth. I mean, if you look at those stages and those mountaintop finishes, there are some of them. I mean, some of them we know, you know, like Anglidu and Bola del Mundo.

But there's some others that, you know, are not famous, but are unbelievably hard. And so, yeah, I mean, I'm not worried about UAE, not having the top. else right now. Yeah, I had the same, I had a moment of panic after stage two and that I've been thinking they've actually, because they're not participating in these destructive efforts that does kind of concern me with what we have left. But let's take a quick ad break and then we will preview stage five. Everybody, this episode is brought to you by Fabric by Herber Life. Running a household can be a lot, especially with kids. That is why having a family plan in place can help wrangle the chaos, especially if you want to protect your family's financial future

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not available in certain states. Price is subject to underwriting and health questions. All right. Back to the show. So, Johan, tomorrow stage five. It's a short one. It's only how many kilometers is it? It is only 24 kilometers. And so it's flat. Like with the whole team, they're going to fly through it. It's a team time trial. We don't know what that is. The whole team starts. They take the time from the fourth place rider. So the first four that finish. That's the time for everyone in that group of four. If you finish behind the four, you're not on that time. So your GC contender has to be in. there. I will list off the favorites and then we will predict who's going to win. The favorite is team Visma Lisa Bike plus 150. Actually lower odds and I thought, Uno, not you know X, UAE team memory. It's plus 200. Ineos Grunineers plus 250. And then it falls off Little Trek plus 1800. Group Hama FDJ plus 2200. It goes on and on. But Johan, who do you think he's going to win this team time draw? Yeah. I think the books have it right.

It's between those three teams. It's Visma and UAE. and Ineos. They're the strongest teams, quality-wise. They have experience with those kind of exercises. I'm going to take Visma as my favorite. They have a super strong team. They have Jonas. They have Campanarts.

They have Jorgensen. They have Vombardle's there, no, Wombardle. I mean, they have such strong riders. They are one rider down already, so, you know, Axel Zinglet has abandoned, but they still have seven riders. Yeah, I mean, that could be a bit of a disadvantage. Not so much, actually, seven or eight. It doesn't really, I mean, it's every time there's a rotation, there's an extra 15, 20 seconds. You could recover more, but I don't think that's going to matter that much.

we're not going to see big differences we're not going to see big time differences between those three teams but I'm going to pick Fismalisa bike doing the stage tomorrow yeah it's not a bad pick especially since I believe there's only been one team time trial

in a world to a race this year Perry and East stage three they won it over JCO Red Bull little chisel different because the time was taken from just the first rider so slightly different rules but UAE was further back 42 seconds back the year before at Perrineese, UAE wins the team time trial.

So I think we're correct to think it's between these two teams. They're very strong. They have great time trialists. And the big advantage of both Visma and UAE is their GC riders are also top time trialists. So they don't have to nurse them along or wait for them. And like with UAE, you have Almeida, Iuso, both really good time trials. And then you only need two other riders with them. Everyone else can be burned through on course, whereas like, Anyos can't do that because

I mean, Bernal's a good time trial, so he's not, well, made it good. He's not Jonas Vindigard good. I'm going to pick UAE, a little bit better price plus 200. And I mean, I think if you spread your money, you could actually bet on both of them and make a profit no matter who wins. And then Ineos comes and wins the team. Yeah, he's just going to say, that's exactly what happened. And he also would win it.

But I'm going to go UAE just because they have the full suite of riders, I think. Yeah. It's going to be close. I think that could make the difference. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I agree.

Yeah. Well, and I mean, what type of time gaps do you think we're going to see here? 24K with the team time trial. They're going to go about 60 kilometers an hour, right? Between 15 and 30 seconds between the top teams, I think. Yeah, which is funny to think that the gap on this time trial could be similar to the gap on the stage two. hill finishes between first and fourth place yeah um but yeah i do think it would hurts is you know if we look at actually good do will probably be in decent shape right because he has

stephan kuhn on his fdj team very good time trials but you look at like tom pitcock on q 326.5 like they they could take a bit of a beating on this one i feel they will they will yeah and then you know even ben o'connor on jaco i'm curious to see how they perform yeah well jaco jaco usually does well in deep-time trials you know i mean they they they have a good track record so far well earlier this year they were second and that parianice one so yeah i mean they do i guess you're right they always tend to i guess that was their calling card for a long time yeah they were a team time trailing team well anything else joan you want to share on the stage um no nothing else i can think of spencer we're in spain i guess we should say first stage in

next tomorrow we're in spain and we will leave spain pretty soon again to and dora i know but yeah i mean i think you can consider and dora part of spain i mean i always consider it you know it's it's it's independent but it's it's part of spain your cell phone coverage may disagree that's true yeah if you ever go you know no another thing if you ever ever go to Andorra with roaming from another country, please turn it off because they're going to kill you. They're going to kill you on the rates. Someone has a yacht in Monaco based on that specific business, just fools going into Andorra and racking up roaming fees. But we will take off and we'll be back tomorrow to break down the team time trial and predict stage seven, which is a true summit

finishing our door. Yeah. All right. Thanks, Johan. Thanks. Bye.