THEMOVE - Johan says "The Tour Starts Tomorrow" | Tour De France 2024 Stage 13 | JB2

Episode Date: July 12, 2024

Johan and JB spent a little more time on the crash and relegation in the lead-up to the sprint today. Johan reveals a rumor of team change with a big rider and a look ahead to tomorrow as they head into the mountains.

tour actually really starts tomorrow um and so um i love it when we always do that when we say the tour starts tomorrow we're 13 stages in i'm sure riders hate hearing that any any rider who's listening to this podcast gonna say what the f**k are you talking about hello and welcome to jb squared i'm jb hager joined by j Johan Bernil. And we're going to do a little bit of a deep dive into stage 13 of the 2024 Tour de France and look ahead to tomorrow where they head into the mountains. Before we do that, I do want to thank title sponsor of JB Squared this year, our friends at Ketone IQ. In fact, their CEOs, I think he gets in here into aspen in the next

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johan's in a different environment looks like you're in a hotel room or you decorate you decorate your bedroom just like a hotel it could be i am in a hotel i am indeed in a hotel. I am indeed in a hotel, JB. This weekend, it's a big challenge for me to combine the three podcasts I'm doing every day with watching the race and assisting my son on his bike racing. So we're in Salamanca. It's about two and a half hours away from Madrid. And there's a three-day stage race for his category. So they had the first stage. So I need to be here to support him. And I think it's interesting. We're going to try to be quick today, but I think when you have, your son's 15? 15, exactly. Yes, 15. And I was asking you about this the other day, because this is a team time trial which team time trials are very dangerous in my opinion

and so i was asking some questions they don't go on tt bikes which is smart no no they don't and they're still on limited gears at that age correct no they're not they're not no in spain and internationally the the they they cancel the limited gears. It's free. Yeah, it is. I mean, I think it's a shame. But yeah, it's fun, actually, because at every stage, at every race, now and then, I run into ex-colleagues, sometimes ex-cyclists of mine, who have their kids racing. And so here in this race, I mean, I didn't see him. There's one ex-cyclist uh tiago machado who was portuguese he's directing a portuguese team which is here and then one of

the guys on one of the kids on that team is the son of a ex-cyclist of of my team and also ex assistant director jose asaved, uh, from, from, from Portugal. So, um, it's, I always run into people. Um, and today actually today, uh, it was really, it was really nice because I, I was, I was in the team car with my son's team and got to actually got to actually encourage the guys on the radio, uh, for the team time trial. So that's cool. It was the first time they did it, you know,'s it's uh they haven't trained for it or anything so it was a bit of a mess but uh they did pretty well it's uh again we won't spend too much time on this but you know my

my daughter competed in wake surfing at the highest level and it is so fun it is so rewarding for your kids to compete but this I I the stress and the jitters and the worry and you know and trying to draw that line of you know especially for you you know more about the sport that your son does than just about anybody on the planet also I mean add to that JB that cycling is a dangerous sport, you know, for a parent. It's a completely different, I mean, you know, I've done crazy stuff on a bicycle myself. Like thinking back now, I said, what was I thinking? You know, how stupid was I? But you just do it.

Then I was a director for many years and I saw a lot of crashes and you had guys that crashed on the team. But when it's your children, it's completely different. It's a different game. It's, yeah, it's nerve wracking. It's very nerve wracking. All right, let's jump into this. And again, we have a limited amount of time today. Let's start with the significance of the withdrawals of Primoz Roglic and Juan Ayuso.

Both very, very,z Roglic and Juan Ayuso. Both very, very... Obviously, Roglic crashed. And maybe you can speculate on what his ambitions might be for the rest of the season because this tends to happen to him. And then also the significance of Ayuso out with COVID for Team BYU.

Yeah. Well, you know, yesterday I was worried already when I saw Primoz Roglic in the last 10 kilometers not being able to keep up with the pace of his team. You know, this was definitely a guy who was in a tremendous amount of pain. It looked like he hit the deck really hard.

And, you know, you don't lose two minutes, 30 seconds. I mean, you could lose one minute because you crash. It's 10K to go, you know, don't lose two minutes 30 seconds i mean you could lose one minute because you crash it's 10k to go you know and you have you have your team with you okay you still go at the same pace but you lose a minute but losing two and a half minutes there was something wrong and i was actually not surprised this morning to see the news that uh primos roglic did not start the race um apparently there's nothing broken um but you know the doctors have assessed the situation he already went down the day before let's not forget in the downhill towards the last climb and uh you know two days in a row um i mean the guy i don't i

don't know what it is uh with primos you know know, he's at the wrong place at the wrong time often. And most of the times, there's nothing he can do about it. I said yesterday, and I watched this crash a few times. There was nowhere he could go. He just had to go down. And we'll see now, you know. I mean, it's obviously a huge blow for him. He was definitely on the up, I would say, compared to his rather doubtful start.

You know, the two first difficult stages, he was a bit in trouble. The stage that Jonas and Tadej were in front, he was better. He did a great time trial also. And so, yeah, now obviously a serious, serious candidate for the podium is gone. And, yeah, I mean, we'll see from now on. Most likely, most likely it's going to be the typical Pr primos roglic schedule that you know he crashes out of the tour and then goes uh and goes full gas for the welter i mean he could i know win his fourth welter that's what i was thinking i think this the cycling gods want him in the

welter is what keeps happening yeah you know but it's it's a lot of people say that i mean the first thing i also thought okay now go for the weluelta. It's not that easy. The Vuelta is also a very difficult race. I mean, I don't know. It's a bummer. It's a bummer for the race, for him and for that team. I mean, they came in with...

They just got Red Bull on board. They have huge plans. And so, yeah, we'll see. By the way, speaking of Red Bull Bora, I don't know if it's official, but it comes out of the Belgian press. There are very strong rumors that we might see from next year on already. A very important rider that goes to Red Bull Bora he would have to get out of his contract uh which he still has until 2026 the rider is reportedly Remco even a pool could be riding for Red Bull Bora next year. Also, of course, you know, he has this relationship with Specialized.

They have Specialized. They have a lot of money. They would have to buy out the contract, but it's something that is brewing there. I mean, it's not official. It's a rumor, but it's a strong rumor. And so Bora, now they just do some stage hunting. They've got Hindley, Jungels, Van Paap. Yeah.

I mean, they obviously, they still have strong riders, but first, I mean, they, listen, they lose their two best riders. I mean, Roglic and Vlasov are out. Yeah. Right. So this is one of the things that, you know, you have to have lived it in the tour to know what it is. And sometimes it happens, you know, like all of a sudden a sudden i mean a team comes in full gas super motivated they lose one or two important riders

and then it is i mean either you just drag yourself to to the finish line in in nice this time right or you turn it around and you you know you go for opportunities but it's very difficult it's very difficult to turn that around because mentally you know now this is a huge blow it's affecting everybody it's affecting the staff also especially you know because you have this huge plan super motivated all the time every day a new game plan now what are you gonna do you know okay okay guys uh we're everybody's tired you know they're riding super fast just try to go on breaks and win a stage, you know,

for that to happen. Uh, it can happen, but it often more often doesn't happen. Then, then, then it does happen. Then it,

then it happens. So, and, and, uh, you know, this morning, Lance says,

you know, stage hunting and breakaways are not so easy when you have this GC battle. And then, and then we're in the high mountains. Yeah. It's not so easy. Yeah. No, from tomorrow on it's, you know, we, we've always said the tour, the, the, you know, the tour is stage four, the time trial, and then it's until stage 14. So let's say that tour actually really starts tomorrow. Um,

and so, um, I love it when we always do that. When we say the tour starts tomorrow. And so... I love it when we always do that. When we say the tour starts tomorrow, we're 13 stages in. I'm sure riders hate hearing that. Any rider who's listening to this podcast is going to say, what the fuck are you talking about?

We are cooked. We're cooked. I've lost skin. I'm dying. Imagine an old guy like me going into the bus and say, okay, guys, all very nice what you've done until now, but the tour starts tomorrow. Let's go.

Let's talk about the significance of Ayuso not being on UAE. He went home with COVID. Yeah. Two concerns for me. Ayuso is obviously a very strong rider, super talented. You know, we could debate a little bit about his commitment to the team, whether that was, you know, especially on the stage over the Galibier. But anyways, he remains a very good rider that could be very useful.

Obviously, for a team like UAE, losing a strong rider is a big blow. I'm actually more concerned about the COVID issue. Reportedly, he has COVID, so it does happen that other guys also get COVID. For example, in Bahrain, I think Paiu Bilbao abandoned with COVID, but importantly, there's a few more who have it. And so, you know, I don't know what the rooming arrangement is within UAE and if Bogacar has a room on his own. But anyway, you know, you're together on the bus, you're together in the kitchen truck. together in the in the in the kitchen truck um it's uh it's something that's there and um so yeah let's uh let's hope that let's hope that i mean nobody

we don't we want anybody to have covet right but yeah in the post-race interview i think it was rimco we saw pulling out the mask again it's like yeah we need you need to go back during the tour like go back to some of those protocols yeah you know and then you know i i see a lot of like maybe it was more so on the rest day but you see a lot of them co-mingling with their families and stuff have and their families are interacting with a lot of people we need to think about more what it was like in late 2020 and just during the tour right yeah well i mean and even else even outside of covid your immune system shot you can catch anything yeah exactly you know i mean that's the thing uh you know you have to be careful because you know after 10 12

days of racing you're dead you're empty and you know you're not your body's not resistant to to to many external threats you know so um that's the main thing i mean the most of the illnesses during the tour but it's it's it's not even about covid it's just about getting sick yeah it's so easy to get sick you know well luckily uae has such a strong team a lot depth, but they will feel the effects of not having Ayuso, correct? Well, you know, I mean, I haven't seen him do anything except that few pulls on the Galibier. But that doesn't mean that he was not going to be useful, you know, in the last week if he changed his mentality a little bit.

But, you know, we could potentially say that maybe, like especially on uh on the day that uh bogacar attacked the day before yesterday um he came to the front he did one pull i said you know and he was gone straight away but maybe he was already feeling i mean not maybe or more likely than not was he already feeling the effect of the illness. He didn't feel the usual self. Yeah. And it's the context for what COVID feels like is different for everybody.

So we don't know. You know, I've had it twice. One, I rode the bike every day and felt fine. The second time I got it, I was like, there's no way i could have yeah got on the bike i felt it felt like the flu it felt very sick so you just don't know you don't know okay um let's talk before we talk about the the the sprint on uh and how that went down with the top guys let's talk about that crash because on the move this morning we really did not touch on the crash we didn't know there was a relegation until after the show was done.

So why don't you break that down for everybody? Because it was an unusual sprint crash. You usually see someone getting pushed into the barriers from the inside. Yeah, but this was actually not in the sprint, J.B. I think we have to go back a little bit earlier in the stage. Super fast stage. There was a big group going away. Great that UAE had Adam Yates in there.

So that put themselves in a great position. But it put a lot of stress on the peloton. It was super hard i mean if you look at the the final average speed i mean 48.8 kilometers per hour average uh for a stage with more than 2 000 meters of elevation uh it's super fast and i mean so it was stressful again you know sometimes we had crosswinds people got dropped so as a result um and you know we we've criticized UAE the other day, hats off to them today, whether that was a choice or not, because sometimes big groups go, I think it was between 15 and 20 people

in the front. So it can happen that one of your guys is in there just by coincidence because you just follow moves. But anyway, whether it was deliberate or not, great situation for them. And it put a lot of stress on Ineos and on Sudal Quick-Step. And potentially also a little bit on Wisma because, you know, Adam Yates, after all, he was third in the tour last year.

So you have to bring that break back because, I mean, you can't let it go too far because you don't want to let Adam Yates come back into the game and get him, you know, another three, an extra three, four minutes. Then he becomes a for Jonas, right? Because, I mean, normally this is a two-man race. It's Jonas with Tadej. But for Remco, it's definitely not a good situation. So as a consequence, it was super, super fast in the peloton. Then we had the crosswinds. You know, we had splits.

And at the end, this was not a real bunch sprint. This was a group of survivors with a few sprinters in there right and so yeah a lot of sprinters didn't make the cut they were i know cav was a good 10 minutes back and you know yeah there were a lot it was very select anyway so so then then as a consequence also there were some riders that were wanting to sprint who normally wouldn't sprint. Because, you know, you look around and you say, oh, hey, there's only, you know, there's only 50 guys left and I'm probably in the 10 best here. I'm going to sprint.

Right. So guys that usually would not be there. Now, anyways, when we see that crash, it's i think it's like in in the last kilometer but it's not in the real sprint uh you know we see um maxim van gils who uh all of a sudden changes his trajectory and actually takes down uh the other belgian guy uh capio from uh from arkea and and actually also his leader ar Arnaud Delis, crashes because of that maneuver of Maxime Van Gild. I would need to check it a few times in replay. I mean, it was not deliberate, but he did for some reason all of a sudden go around somebody.

He got fined. You know, he got a fine and he got points taken away um it did not influence the sprint per se because the the the fastest guys were on the other side of the road but um a dilly might think differently yeah but i don't think the lee was going to be a match for these for for Philipson and Van Aert. And by the way, the Lee was very lucky to be behind this incident and hit the brakes and not go down.

Yeah. Yeah. And also the Lee, I think the Lee had spent so much energy already. He was in that big breakaway and he was participating very generously in that breakaway. So, you know, the fact that he still wanted to sprint is actually really good but you know i think he would have probably been third fourth or fifth

or something still a good result but you know now uh he couldn't anyway van giel's got disqualified um and um but what what we can see is that you, they're starting to really be very strict. And whatever happens in a sprint, they just find them or disqualify them systematically. So again, you know, I mean, I think this today was justified. I would just want to see a little bit more, you know, common sense and, and, and, you know, applying the same kind of criteria for all the different sprints now let's talk about the sprint we often talk about the sprinters being very

streaky when you're hot you're hot and uh gear may came out as being the hottest early on in the tour and phillipson frustrated very frustrated in the first week, has come into form. I don't think anyone was going to catch him today. You just didn't see them gaining on him like they have in the first week. I mean, you know, today was obviously Philipson was, it's a Philipson that we know from the past, right? I mean, he gets a free road and he starts his sprint and was even looking behind. Like he was scared. Okay, where are they?

When are they coming? They didn't come. I mean, once again, great sprint from Walt Von Aert shows that he's, you know, he's on the up. I saw an interesting quote from Walt Von Aert actually today saying that, you know, he's not going to wait anymore until opportunities arise for him. He's going to go every single time he sees a chance. He's lost too many opportunities already. He's been very close this entire tour, several times. And that's an interesting position when you're on the same team as Jonas.

But we've seen this in the past. Well, then art is a very rare rider that he can have personal ambitions in a tour and team and team super domestique. Yes. It's very good. Absolutely. I think, I think for, I mean,

to me, it feels that when art is coming into form And it's obviously also good news for Jonas. You know, I mean, he will need someone who can, you know, the lack of Sepp Kuss is going to be felt for sure. And I mean, you know, now the mountains come and if Jonas wants to attack, he will need someone to prepare the terrain uh and um i mean most likely on the last climb one art won't be there anymore but uh you know if an artist in a break you know and then i mean they've done this many times right in the past so send him

in a break and then soft pedal and then until the and then he at the bottom of the last climb he just uh he's just with jonas and then starts to set the tempo he can do that so we have we've seen that before many times yeah send them up the road that's worth revisiting because if somebody's new to this show they don't know what that tactic is when we get into the mountains you send somebody up the road and then they wait and so they you have them in the valleys in between to pull i don't think we've talked about this this year but if someone's new to the show they may go well what's going on with walt van art or something like that that's what's going on yeah yeah um and then you know if you asked anyone yesterday they would

probably say the green jersey the points jersey race is is over the guillermay is going to take this but now that phillipson's getting hot um this could get a little closer there there will be some sprint points along the way but it's uh yeah one in one way one more sprint yeah guillemot still has um let's see uh but this is not this is not today's stage one second let me just take today's stage um obviously with um with philips winning today and guillemot being fourth that's uh that's that's a good one for Jasper. So he now has 29. It's still 75 points.

It's okay. You know, it could be, you know, if it's one sprint and Philipson wins and Guilherme doesn't score, then it's possible but most likely it might will score so you know uh if he doesn't win and he but he's third fourth or fifth or something and he takes a few points along the way into the media Sprints now I think you might pass the green jersey um he did say however that he didn't have great legs today um so he was right there he was in the right place he just didn't have that

punchy we've seen before yeah yeah okay and let's talk about uh pogachar like both both you and the move gave you a basically a grade a on tactics today um and you found a clip of pogachar that we want to play for you and um you you know, everybody has been scratching their heads. It is tactics, but maybe he's changed his way. Here's that clip. We had already now, yeah, we didn't have too much climbing stages. One proper climbing stage we had until now. And, yeah, we will see how the teams will raise but we can go like a little bit on

defensive but maybe still take a stage win or something if we can but not spending too much energy because we have a comfortable league. When you listen to this my first thought was, okay, maybe he listens to JB Squared or somebody in the team listens to JB Squared because it's, you know, he says, yeah, okay, maybe we're going to ride a little bit defensively now. But then in the same sentence,

you can feel that that's not natural for him. But like, it's against his nature and they say yeah okay maybe we'll see because maybe we can go for a stage win you know he doesn't need to think about a stage win at all um but it's telling it's telling that he says okay you know we need to defend now um and it's true it's up to you it's up to you and us to attack i mean he still needs to recuperate that time and uh for the moment he hasn't so if I was

Pogacar I would ride defensively and just you know let them do the work and let

let them attack and and then see if you can follow and maybe

you can counterattack and take a bit more time so I'm happy to hear

what he said you know hopefully he has learned or they have learned a little

bit from the past and they will write defensively and conservatively and uh that's what that's what the yellow jersey needs to do and he can only attack when he really knows that it's going to be beneficial okay let's talk about tomorrow they um they go across the Tormale, which you know well, but that's the first of three big climbs. So what are your thoughts on tomorrow? What can we look for? And of course, I heavily encourage people to listen to Outcomes in the same podcast feed. We don't do video of that yet. If you're a YouTuber, that may be coming soon, but listen to Johan and Spencer with their predictions on tomorrow's stage i know you're going to say they're they're very fatigued going into the

mountains in outcomes of yesterday just as a side note we got the first four yeah one two three and four we predicted so um so that was good um tomorrow tomorrow 152 kilometers so relatively short stage uh four 000 meters of elevation but more importantly jb i would say 90 of those 4 000 meters of elevation are in the last 80 kilometers that's massive you know it's massive it's one huge climb the tourmalet okay it's from the other side it's not from the most difficult side but it's still difficult you know it's still it's from the other side. It's not from the most difficult side, but it's still difficult. You know, it's still a high mountain, 2,100 meters. Then you have the Urquette d'Anclason, I think.

Yeah, Anclason. It's a climb that they've done already a few times. It's hard. It's hard also. Also from the non-difficult side uh and then salary sula which is the which is hard climb that's a hard climb uh that's that's really i mean 10 kilometers seven percent but there's a few really steep parts so um it's gonna be a hell of a stage i don't know exactly if it's gonna be uh the gc guys for the stage win or if a breakaway can make it uh what's for sure is if you want to be in a breakaway and you want to make it to the

finish you need to be a good climber like a really good climber i mean basically they have 70 kilometers to get a really big gap um which which is possible i mean they they'll need six seven minutes to to be able to make it to the finish uh so you know six seven minutes that's a minute per 10 kilometers in the first 70k it's possible right i mean as long when there's when there's a group of strong riders uh goes away and there's a few climbers in there. And then all of a sudden the peloton takes it, you know, relatively easy. It's possible.

I just hope, I hope that UAE lets the break go. And that they don't care for the stage win. They just defend. I'm curious to see if what Bogacar said, if they're actually also able to execute that. I still have my doubts, but that would be the way I would recommend them to write. You know, let the breakaway go.

In the beginning, of course, if you see that there's huge groups, you have Almeida and Adam Yates. Pay attention to get into those, to the group the group but anyway whatever group with almeida and adam yates in there is not going to go anywhere so it doesn't really doesn't really matter too much either but uh with letting a break go is this is this where some of the politics comes in of uh you know letting a breakaway go because we went through the list of teams that do not have a win yet including in naos like that's hard to believe right they don't have results yet and if if the gc guys are grabbing everything you're not going to get real popular like teams got to leave with with some victories um i think it doesn't matter anymore in modern cycling they don't they don't talk about they don't think about that they just you know their thing um you know as soon as they get into the

into the mountain zone they know you know we have we have this kind of team we have two guys who can ride five watts per kilo we have three guys who can ride five and a half watts per kilo we have one guy or two guys who can do six and then we have our leader who can do 6.5 you know that's the way it works nowadays um but uh but yeah i mean i'm not excluding that a breakaway makes it to the finish tomorrow okay or a climber from a breakaway let's say all right and again for the of time, you've got two more shows to do, and you're in a hotel late because your son's racing. So I'm going to move on pretty quickly, and we'll just do one question today.

But first, Ventum Trivia. We're going to give away a brand-new NS1 road bike, incredible bike, and we'll draw it on the last day. You can enter every single day with your answer. I'll give you the details on how to enter at the end of this. Yesterday's question, besides Cav, what is another nickname often given to Mark Cavendish? That answer was the Manx Missile.

The guys had another one for my camera, what it was. It was funny. You'll have to hear it on the move. And today's question is last november germany's amazon prime released a documentary on jan ulrich what was it called and we'll take either the english or german title as your answer go to ventumracing.com slash the move that is where you submit your answer okay don't email it into us uh and one quick question again for the sake of time I'll save these other ones Rocco writes when there are multiple teammates on a climb why does just one

person drive and then pull off the front at a time instead of having the teammates take turns on the front and leave your GC man at the back of the train basically saying why don't they just do a rotate and try to keep him there? Surely both have been tested. What are your thoughts on that? Well, it all depends. It depends on which climb. If it's on a climb in the middle of the stage,

then you tend to see teammates rotating because they just set a comfortable pace for the team and so there's probably two or three riders who can do that pace so they take turns now if it's if it's on the last climb and it's it's a team that's setting the pace for their leader then that's not the case anymore uh unless it's for example the galibier, for example, that was different. You saw Almeida and Ayuso taking turns because it was headwind. And they decided, you know, we can go a lot further up the mountain taking turns than having just one guy in the wind and then another guy in the wind.

But usually, if they go on the last climb and they're setting the pace, it's just based on the strength, the climbing strengths of every rider. And that's why you can see, for example, you know, a guy who can reasonably climb, but is not a super climber. He does a very long tempo, which is, you know, basically his maximum for let's say 10 minutes. He peels off, then you have a stronger climber than this first guy come

in and he does his maximum or sub maximum for maybe five minutes and then you get the last guy who's the strongest climber except the leader and he will set a pace for two minutes uh but very fast you know and by by the time this last guy goes there's already like only 10 riders left because those are already real climbers and some of those real climbers have been put already in difficulties before so it's basically based on the climbing capacities of everyone uh because if you if you have uh three or, uh, they're not going to be all the same in terms of climbing strength. Uh, and if they rotate, that's, that doesn't make any sense.

It's better to have somebody who climbs a little bit less set their own pace, uh, as hard as they can, which will, will already eliminate probably 20 or 30 cyclists that can't climb that much. Right. So it's based on how strong of a climber they are and that increase just to again maybe we have new listeners that increasing in tempo from a team that's controlling the race if they did not do that people would be launching right and left they would lose control of that race immediately and then you just you have to end

up chasing things and lose your, that team dynamic. And it's not even all, it's not even always to launch the attack of your leader. You know, that sometimes it's, you know, they put,

they put a paste and another guy puts another pace. And by the time the second last rider starts, which is in theory, the second best climber of the team, then you basically have a few yeah very select group left who are already also more or less on the limit and they they don't they don't want to attack anymore because they just want to survive and get over the climb all right great question uh thanks for sending that in that's rocco in madison wisconsin that's a good

cycling town uh if future questions send send it in. If you have something for Johan, send it to themoveatwedo.team. Thank you everyone for tuning into the show. We appreciate it. The numbers on it are phenomenal because of one man right there. Not me. Thank you. Thank you. Also you, also you, Jimmy. I'm here to make it happen. You're the guy who makes it all together. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in. And Johan, thank you.

I know you're juggling several shows and then even doing some guest spots on other media. And your son's out racing, so a lot going on. Your time is valuable, and we appreciate it. And we'll talk tomorrow. Okay. Thanks, Timmy. Speak tomorrow.