THEMOVE - Johan's GC Report Cards | TdF 2026 Stage 20 | THEMOVE+

Episode Date: July 25, 2026

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin discuss Richard Carapaz's incredible stage win on the race's second finish atop Alpe d'Huez, Mads Pedersen's ride to get into the breakaway yet again to add to his Green lead, and Tadej Pogačar working to get his UAE teammate Isaac del Toro on the podium. Johan also gives grades for each GC contender, previews tomorrow's altered Stage 21, and gives their picks for the stage win. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Hims: For simple, online access to personalized and affordable care for Hair Loss, ED, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://Hims.com/THEMOVE Tifosi Optics: Use promo code THEMOVE at https://tifosioptics.com/discount/THEMOVE KetoneAid: Go to http://KetoneAid.Com/THEMOVE for 15% off Blueprint: Science-backed, precision-dosed, no BS. For a limited time only, our listeners get 20% off + free shipping at https://blueprint.bryanjohnson.com by using code THEMOVE at checkout. That's code THEMOVE at https://blueprint.bryanjohnson.com for 20% off.  After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them. PLEASE support our show and tell them our show sent you. Nextbets: Use our special link to see where you can bet in your area and claim the best sign-up offers https://nxtbets.com/betoutcomes/ Ventum: Use code TheMove10 for 10% off anything at: https://ventumracing.com/

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Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Brunel. We are breaking down stage 20 of the Tour de France, the hardest stage of the race by quite a long way. Three HC climbs, a cat one climb finishing the last 4K of Alpduez. Back to the same finish lines yesterday. Richard Carapas wins with an incredible, another incredible solo victory with Rimcoe Evanpole, surging from the GC group, 26 seconds behind to get second. Sepkus, who was in the lead, crashed twice inside the final few kilometers, finishes 31 seconds back and Tadi Pagacar, 4th, 105 back, rolling in with his teammate on UAE, Isaac Del Toro, who secured third overall and the white jersey.

So big day for UAE. They seal the overall win, which I think a lot of us forgot about. We were so focused on the third place, and they get third. So they get two riders on the podium, white jersey, yellow jersey. not a bad day for them at all. Carapaz gets the stage win plus the KOM jersey because he was the first over every climb except the final climb, the cold day, the cold de serene, which was won by Sepkus, who looked like he was on the way to winning the stage before crashing.

We'll also preview tomorrow's truncated stage in Paris, which is probably going to be quite good, maybe even better with the shorter stage. But Johan, Johan, do you want to make a public apology to Mads Pedersen? He said he wouldn't make it over the. Cole de la Croix Fair at the breakaway. And he was dropped and he said, hey, you know what, I got to get up to that breakaway anyway. Yeah.

I mean, listen, you can't put anything past Matt's Patterson, man. What a guy. I think what I said, Spencer is probably, I said, you know, well, I first I said, it's going to be very hard. And then secondly, I said, it's probably better he doesn't do it and saves himself for Paris. Because I thought that, you know, even if he would make it over the, over the, the crowd affair, there would be too many riders.

in front for the sprint. And that was the case. There was a lot of riders in front, but he had the strength and the energy and the courage to, you know, come back to that group, then attack them and then come back in the downhill and win that sprint. So I mean, what a, yeah, I mean, apologies to Matt. Say, he underestimated you, man.

What else is there that he cannot do? You know, we saw all these climbers getting dropped on the Crot Affair, on the Glendon, the first part of the of the crowd affair. And then he just stayed there. He was 30, 40 seconds down. And when you saw that he was, you know, you could see the difference. And he was pushing it to stay close. So anyway, today he seals the green jersey tomorrow.

He doesn't even have to sprint or anything. It's mathematically in the bag, which is nice. And, you know, that was the main goal of Little Trek all along. So, you know, speaking of Little Trek, Spencer, you know, I think, you know, so they win the green jersey. They have a stage win. They have two guys in the top 10. They have sixth and seventh place. And they win the team G.C.

It's not a bad tour de France for them, you know? Well, this is reminding me of the GERR. Zero to tie it. Yeah. Well, what happened? At the zero, they had a stage win. They had a green jersey. they had a rider in the top five, if not the top four, right?

With Derek, yeah, the top five. And they won the KOM. They won the KOM. They won the KOM. No, they didn't win green. That was the thing. Paul Monnier won green. So they lost green, but they did win the final stage.

They won a jersey and they had a rider in the top five. And they get a lot of crap. But these are some pretty good results, actually. Yeah, yeah, very good. Um, anyways, you know, back to today's stage, Spencer, uh, didn't I, didn't I pick Carapas yesterday in the move? Yeah, you did. To win the stage today. We, uh, deduced. It was Carapaz or Bagachar and then a bunch of other guys probably could

have won too. Yeah, yeah. But man, these last three days, man, Carapas, golden legs, golden legs, you know, incredible morale. What a fighter. Um, you know, initially he started. at the stage, as he said in his interview, his intention was to, you know, secure the, the pocket dot jersey after he won the, he won the first one, right? The crowd affair. But yeah, Parapanta was still there or even, I mean, he was close, but then, you know, he's, Parapentra got dropped straight away on the, on the telegraph already before the Galilee. And then Carapas switched his mind and, you know, said, okay, I can win the stage. And, you know, And he had to fight for it, you know, until the very end.

But this is what we have seen many times already of Carapas in Grand Tours. You know, like the last week he is on a roll and he's unstoppable. It's crazy. How much better he is in the third week than everybody else. And then in the first part of Grand Tour. Yeah, it is crazy. I mean, I guess it helps that the end of a Grand Tour is usually higher altitude. And he seems not to be affected by how altitude at all with the explosion to

day was insane. His last three stages, he's first, third, and first. If we took the, if we started the GC on the rest day, on the second rest day, he would have won the tutor fronts. Like he took more time on everybody in the last five, six days than anything else. That's, that's, that's, that's, you know, that's, that's subjective, Spencer, you know. It is hard though. It is. It is hard to be, like, think about yesterday, like, you're so close to an Alpdouz stage when you get caught. And then to come back out and to do what he did is it's pretty unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah.

And yeah, I can't say enough nice things about it. I think, I think they're going to have to give him the most combative writer of the two or the France. I mean, if they don't, it's a joke, right? They give it to Peripontra. You could say, you could say Pedersen also for what he has done. But I think in terms of combativity, they have to pick Carapass. There's no other way.

They have to pick Carapas. Yeah. it's such an interesting style of writing too because he finishes eighth overall which is pretty good if he put his whole heart into it maybe he finishes top five with lenny martinas but he doesn't like he maybe sacrifices a few gc spots to just yeah he wouldn't have one he wouldn't have one a stage no no and he does this and he wins two stages k om and i would bet if you just pulled random people he would be the most memorable writer from this race you know he's wearing the Pocod jersey, which helps, and he's always attacking.

Most people probably don't understand why he didn't win the Tour friends. Why does this guy win him? What's going on? Yeah. Yeah. Like, he is flying around out there. It's really cool to see. Like, he's had so many different stages to his career as well.

He was the straight up GC guy, won the zero, got third at the tour, second at the Veltah, second at the zero. And now he's kind of transition. I think he has now three stages in the tour. four in the zero and three in the vault or three four in the volta and three in the zero something like that hold that thought so let me click on the active button so he has he's 10th amongst all active riders in grand tour stage wins which again is really impressive because almost everybody else is a sprinter so four zero three two or three welta that's that's really good when you can't win a sprint or a time trial because everyone ahead of the people ahead of them are tim earlier rimcoe having a poll John Dettin called Matt Spatterson, Watt Van Hart, Jonas Vindigard, who has quite a few time trial wins in there.

Jasper Philipson, quite a few sprint wins. Primos Roggletch, Tare Pogacar. So he's probably the only writer in there, actually, without a time trial or sprint win. He just has to pick his spots and he can do it. He's definitely value for money for EF, wouldn't you say? Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

I mean, he's the guy who, I mean, without him, I don't know. I mean, they had a few. you guys. I mean, Ben Healy did a good last week. And, you know, it was also very crucial to helping Carapas, you know, getting in breaks or bringing breaks back or setting him up for an attack. But other than Carapas, there was nobody else of EF who ever came close to, to winning his stage, no? They, well, they had Alex Bodin in the first week who was at some point, you know, on his way to taking the yellow jersey and then finally didn't work out, I think.

Yeah. Yeah, but he's really, it's kind of an oddball team. You would think, why is Carapaz on EF? But he gets to, he get, they let him commute from Ecuador, which is nice for him. And when he gets this, the whole team, though, it's, they have a basically enough of a vacuum in the GC in the sprints. The whole team could work for them to get these stage wins in this jersey. So it kind of works for them. It's an interesting case study and not always going to the biggest best team and it working out for you.

What did you think? Did you think SEP Kuz had this win going over the first? final climb. Honestly, I think so. Honestly, I think so. You know, he, he, uh, he dropped Carapas twice on that last climb. Carpas was coming back, but I think without the crash that Zepkus would have had it. Yeah. I mean, what an unfortunate incident that crash was, you know, was coming out of a tunnel. We didn't see the crash, but, you know, when you think it's all, done. I mean, it was not done yet, but, you know, those last three and a half kilometers above the west were relatively easy compared to the Cold de Sarenne, which is a really hard climb,

by the way. You know, you know who was the last winner on that, on that same stage, the same climb? In a, in a doffine, they did it once. I'm going to say, I don't know if it's happening the tour in the dophine. Yeah. Oh, man, I have no idea. Peter Kenya. really interesting yeah wow what a talent holy smokes yeah what happened to him he's a the yes director i think he's an astana ds yeah yeah he was that guy was a big talent holy smokes that's a good trivia johan that should be yeah but uh spencer we need that before we talk about uh the rest of the gc guys uh man matt spederson come on this is insane man this is ridiculous what what this guy has done in stages that were absolutely not for him.

And today was, today was, you know, we saw him in a few stages where he could say, oh, can he make it? Can he not make it? But today he was like, okay, Matt Peterson cannot make this. It's the high altitude mountains. It's over 2,000 meters. And man, he, he stayed like 30, 40 seconds back, came back to that group where, I guess it was Adam Yates putting the, putting the pace.

No, yeah, I was Adam Yates. putting the pace all the time. And then, you know, attack and come back to the first group and win the sprint. Man, hats off to him. That was, that was unbelievable. Unbelievable. It is unbelievable. He seems to be able, it's hard to explain.

It's like he decides how fast he wants to go. It's like, well, I just need to go. I'm on this climb and I just need to go faster. It just pushes harder. It sounds really simple, but I would love to have had that kind of, I would love to have had that kind of mental button in my, when I was racing. Right. Never worked.

For me, it never worked, man. I'll just go faster. And he just can get more power and fly up the climb. It was really impressive. I'm trying to make sure we're not falling prey to recency bias. Have we seen anything like this in the green? Just off the top of my head, I do remember Tour Horshovt getting over some big out Mountain Mountains in 2009, I believe, to win green.

But I think even though, there's been, there's been guys. I mean, not recently. For example, I'm thinking about Lauren Jalabert, 92. He won the green jersey. And then earlier on, Sean Kelly, you know, won the green jersey and one year he was fourth in the tour. Oh, man. That's crazy.

but even the fact that we're even mentioning Sean Kelly with Matt's Patterson is pretty wild and like yeah I don't know if you think about oh like it's almost like Peter Sagan-esque but he wouldn't can the crazy thing about Mads is he won a world championship relatively young Spencer Sagan was never able to do this what what Patterson did today

Segan was never able to win he did win the Tour California overall with some finishes. Come on. Come on. Yeah. But there was the year, remember he had the bad crash. He was going for green and he was in the breakaway in the Alps. And then he unfortunately crashed on the descent.

But he had some years where he was really going for in the mountains. Yeah. Yeah. But getting over the crowd of fare, I've never seen him do that. Peterson is one of a kind, man. You know, and then also, I mean, And it's like he just programs it and just said, okay, this is what I want to do. And this is what I'm doing.

It's crazy. It is crazy. And you're right now because if he gets zero points tomorrow, he still wins. So the risk would have been he does this and he doesn't make it. And then he gets zero points. And then he still has to score points tomorrow. But I guess he kept. It seems like all of his risk calculation, this tour has been, well, it's a risk and I have to go hard.

Well, I'll just do it anyway. Because, you know, think all the way back to stage, what was that, stage 17, where he went too hard for no reason and then got, it actually worked against him. He just, he could have said, well, I'll all back off. I'll be a little bit more conservative. Nope. He just kept going harder and harder and harder. And it worked out. He's going to win green if he makes it the stage tomorrow.

Yeah. It has been, I was thinking we'd be in a rough spot without Pedersen and Carapaz in this third week. They've made the third week of this race. Definitely. Definitely. And anyway, Spencer, before we, before we talk about GC and stuff, I want to talk about our sponsor, ketone 8. Yes. Ketone 8, AID, not the number 8.

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and he's riding in the front in the valley to keep people from attacking Del Toro. I think, oh, no, they're going to get to the Serren. And it's game over for Del Toro. And DeKathlon thought that too, because DeKathlon, tactical masterclass. They have Nicholas Prudome, writer, revelation. of this tour, by the way. That guy is unbelievable. Speaking of Prudam, Spencer,

you remember two of the Alps last year? Yes. Yes. He's the... Paul Seqsas and Prudam were both of them in front and Seikas. 18 years old back then. No pro wins. No pro wins decided that he's still going to win enough and that Prudom had never

won a race in his career and gifted. This stage went to him, man, speaking of an investment in a teammate. Prudem has since won several races, but man, he's turning himself inside out for Paul Seixas in this Tour de France.

So that was a great decision from Seixas during Tour of the Alps. Yeah, that's paid back with dividends. That is a wild thing. It does seem like it helped him a lot. He's been a different rider since then. He was great today, pacing on the front. They have Matthew Ricotelo in the breakaway.

He comes back. He's pacing as well on the front. And they launch you can kind of tell though while this is happening that Paul's success does not look amazing. Yeah. And then he attacks and drops himself and Del Toro gets up the road. I do commend them for trying it. I'll, you know, you know, the Movis star, Inric, you know, like Inric Moss is going to attack. He's going to attack and he never attacks.

This is why, right? Because guys are afraid they're going to attack and get dropped. And there was a risk that he would lose fourth to Lenny Martinez. He had to ride his butt off to the finish line to save fourth place. He could have just ridden in conservatively. So it is like very commendable he did that. He did try. He did try.

I mean, you could. I was, I mean, when was it on the Gallibier? When I mean, I think Pugacar said something to Groshardner at some point. And then he started to pull himself. And basically it was who was left on the Galibier. It was Remko and Seixas and Del Toro. And then Lenny Martinez came. came back, but those were the only four guys with Pogacar.

I thought by myself, man, this is early, you know, because now who's going to work? Well, guess what? Pogacar didn't need any help. I mean, today, to me, it felt like I've never, I've never seen a race where Pagatja felt so dominant that basically he decided he could do whatever he was. He knew he was not going to go for the stage win. So he decided, I can do whatever I want, whenever I want. He was like on a zone two training ride with a bunch of cyclotourists.

That's what it looked. That's how dominant he felt because, you know, that pacing on the Galibia, that's one thing. You know, but then he did the whole downhill. Then he did the whole valley because the second part of the downhill, that's the cold the lot of the other side. And that's, that's a descent. that's a pedaling descent. And that's a descent where, you know, you're on the front.

It's like three, four percent. You're on the front spending a lot. And in the wheels, you spend nothing, like nothing. Nothing. It did not matter, you know. And so initially I thought when the little track guys and the guy from Red Bull came back, no, it was, it was Kelmoza and Van Gilles and the decathlon guy, Brudom. I said, you know what? I mean, the Red Bull guy and the Deccatlon guy are probably going to start pacing here, you know, to set up or to keep it steady for Remko, but they didn't.

Pogaccha just did not care. Then they start called the Saren. That was actually funny. I mean, I think you saw it also when Prudom went to the front. And then Pogacca went next to him and he looked at him and he said, what the hell are you doing? you know like didn't say it but that look that look to to prudom was like telling and say what are you trying to do that was um yeah amazing um and then finally when when decathlon took over and uh you could see that fogachar and del toro started to talk with each other which is also

very depressing for sex us i guess uh there they already knew that they had the third place in the bag. And yeah. Then Seixas, I mean, listen, first of all, it takes us fourth place. Incredible. But again, you know, this is a guy. We can talk about another guy who's, you know,

who's second and is not happy. Paul Seixas is fourth and he's not happy. You know, he's in his mind today, I saw an interview of him with the French press. In his mind today, he cracked. you know, he didn't really crack. He lost some time. He didn't blow up, you know.

I mean, he, the Tour de France is long and hard. So this is what should have happened already after day 12, 10 or 12. It happened on day 20 and not really in a bad way. You know, I lost, maybe one of the hardest mountain stages. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He didn't lose that much time. He lost 150, 150 to Pagata. There's not that much time. Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, I mean, amazing, amazing performance. But I can tell you that, I mean, of course, he has to be happy. It's a great performance, but he expected to be on the podium, which is a great mindset, you know, for a young guy like that.

It is a great mindset. I was just laughing myself. He was like, I got beat by bums, bums, bums, so pagachar, Evanapult, del Toro. Like, he expected, he expected to be on the podium instead of one of those. guys like that is a lot of confidence a lot of confidence yeah by the way another another another great ride today uh lennie martinez today amazing ride he was the the only guy to stay with that podium yep you know and uh so you know he he got criticized quite a bit yesterday for his way of racing which you know i think to a certain extent was kind of justified because i think he was the

reason why they didn't stay ahead but today day he showed that he belongs there. You know, it's not just by being in breakaways. He was there with the top tree. Yeah, so he finishes two seconds behind Del Toro and Pagachar from the GC group, which is that that's a pretty big vindication. I mean, also on today's stage, there was no, there's nobody in this top 10 that that fluked their way there. This is a pretty honest stage. Hard to get ahead of the group on this one.

think Spencer like a stage like today, stage 20, by far in terms of the course, I would, I would argue that there's probably stages that have been raised so fast that they felt a lot harder for the riders. But, you know, such a stage on stage 20 with 5,400 meters of climbing, is that not a bit too much? You know, is it? I mean, we saw a great race. We saw a great race. don't get me wrong. It was a great race for the stage win. Then it was still a battle for the, for the podium.

But man, to do this on stage 20, that's, that's a bit much, man. I would rather, I would rather see, see this on stage 15, 16, and then have a few

transition stages and then go to Paris. Well, that's what they used to do back in your day. Yeah. I get the, the flip side of that is it's on stage 20. All you have to tell yourself is I'm done when I'm done. So there's something to be set.

for that from an entertainment perspective it's terrible if this was on stage 16 and they and they noodle their way to paris oh my lord i hated that and you just get these nothing stages for like stage 18 19 20 or like breakaways from an entertainment perspective not great i did wonder today i was like man this is kind of mean like let's look at the like there's a lot of riders just in that gruppetto finishing not that far back 43 minutes back is the last writer i was just going to check how far the last guy. Nobody out of time limit. No, I mean, it doesn't happen as much anymore.

So there's two DNFs, Van Wilder, because he crashed. And then Pascal Ackerman. Yeah. Who. Okay. So nobody out of the time limit. Yeah. Not sure.

I knew he was at this race. And yeah, I mean, people don't miss the timeline as much. I guess everybody's a better climber now. Like Lance and Georgia are always checking. They watch that every day. And I'm thinking, like, it's been a long time since a big group missed the time limit. You know what? I mean, usually it only happens to guys who are injured or sick. Yeah.

Out of the time limit. You know, if you're healthy, you make it usually. Which is saying something. It's also possible that they increased, that they increased the time limit, maybe. You know, because also the faster the races, the higher the percentages. True. True. Well, I guess so if it's like 17% of five hours, 50 minutes. Oh, it looks like it's fixed though. So they can go faster and it doesn't hurt the percentage, if that makes sense.

They like come up with a projected time. Yeah, but normally it's usually it's all, I mean, depends on the kind of stage, you know, every stage has a certain category and then these difficult with difficulty category. that's it's considered so much. And then it depends on the on the average speed of the of the stage also that they increased the I think it's still like this. Anyway, I don't know. I never going to go on an ASO seminar this offseason.

I don't I don't think I'm going to be invited, Spencer. You can go, but I don't think I'm going to be invited. I looked at. I have like a profile page on the UCI website and I looked on there today and next to the World Championships accreditation. It just has a frowny face. That can't be good. I'm to look into that.

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Okay, Johan, so I'm assuming we're going to give, I want you to give people, I want you to comment on how you would rate their performance. We're going to just say pencil pagetcher in for an A plus, right? Unless were you disappointed he did not go for the stage went today? Not really. He announced it already.

He said, before yesterday he he hinted towards being with with del toro today before the start he said it uh he said he said he also said yeah you know i think isaq is feeling good he's on the he's on the he's on the vr five or something so he did use the climbing bike again he switched bikes again del toro seems to like that bike for yeah i guess it just gives some confidence on this climbs so you know it's pretty crazy actually to think if you Pogacar started to do the domestic at 60k from the finish. I know.

He hasn't gone off the front. He has not gone off the front until Deccatlan started to do whatever they were doing on on cold aside end. That's pretty amazing. It's crazy. I know. And as you say, that descent in that valley, it's not easy to be on the front. And he's just on the front.

And Lance was saying as we were watching, he's like, I'd be afraid that someone would attack me. You know, like I wouldn't want to be on the front, even as Lance Armstrong. So that's saying something. And he didn't seem to care. Didn't seem worried at all. We're going to save the best. We're going to save Remko for the last, the best for last. So Del Toro, how do you rate his performance? Pretty good, right? Third place overall. A plus. A plus. I mean, I think I think I put him as third place before the tour when we talked about the podium. I said, I think I said Bogacha or Vingerard.

Del Toro, if I'm not mistaken. You know, there's always going to be the question, right? I mean, what would have happened with Remko and Del Toro if Jonas was still in the race? How would the GC have looked? But anyways, del Toro, podium, white jersey, stage win, basically all of it with an incredible Gregario, luxury Gregario Pogacchar. but still, you know, you still have to pedal up those climbs. Amazing performance.

This guy, I mean, he's now, you know, second in the Gero, third in the tour. And it's his third year professional. Those are his two grand tours starts. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Two grand tours, second in the Gero, third in the tour. It's pretty good.

Not bad. No. And to have your first tour, and I think I've never raced the tour. So I don't know. I'm just trusting what you tell me and what I see with my eyes. It seems like the tour is a level above. You see people, Lenny Martinez, for example, first tour, the guy looked like he was, he looked overwhelmed, just to put it kindly. And to come in on your first tour and to just finish third on the podium, that's really impressive.

I would give him. And he wobbled a few times, you even wobbled on the Gallibier. But he came back from that, you know, when he had Paul Success coming at him. So to finish third is really impressive. How would you rate Paul Success's performance? Also, I mean, there's only one thing he could have done better was be on the podium. But I think it's, you know, it's. Yeah, it's great all over the three weeks. You know, today, you know, he thinks he cracks.

He cracked today. I don't, I don't think he, I mean, he just felt the three weeks of the Tour de France. amazing amazing also looked pretty good i mean today a little bit less but all the other other other days he looked pretty good you know um it looked better than at the beginning of the of the tour actually in the second part of the tour yeah uh and also a great team man great team around him i mean amazing team around him they're going places that team yeah you know you watch that team and they, they kind of have, they have a vision. They clearly have a vision and they kind of already have it figured out. I mean, of course, we don't know the, the details, but, you know, I hope he stays at Decathlon.

Me too. It's definitely the team that, and they have resources to build even more strength around him, you know. Yes. They have great equipment, great sponsors, good riders. seems that they have all the staff figured out. You know, they got lots of staff from other top teams that they hired. I think he should stay there. Yeah, I think so too.

I think it would be a mistake to leave. Remko Evanopold in second. How would you rate his performance? Extraordinary, I would say. I did not exceed that coming. although he already finished in third place at the Tour de France two years ago we forget very quickly you know and and he has won a grand tour already there's not many riders in the race that won grand tours

although you know you can debate you know what kind of level was the Vuelta still it doesn't really matter what the level was you have to get over those plans and you have to be the best of everybody who is there you cannot win a grand tour if you can't climb spencer that's impossible what about what about johnny buneo did that wasn't there some year where they did a flat zero am i making that up johnny buneo was second in the tour de france won twice on obdoues is that is that the guy they did the flat zero for do i have that right no no no no that was francesco moser Francesca Mozart.

It was not flat, but it was flatter. And they took some stages out. And then, you know, there's these. I love that. I love that, by the way. There's these crazy stories that, you know, that it was, it was Laurent Fignon. Laurent Fignon was the big favorite. And there was a super long last time trial.

And apparently the helicopter was flying in a way that he was pushing Moser and pushing Fignon. back. That's the story. I don't know if that's true or not. Anyways, Francesco Moser was an amazing champion. First winner of the white jersey, by the way, in 1975. Crazy. Yeah. World champion, our world record, three times Paddy DuBé, stuff like that. I mean, it's pretty, he was not a, he didn't have the build of a climber. So he was a tall, strong guy. still still still in incredible shape by the way in his 70s let's get let's let's get him let's get him out to a training camp come on Francesco we want to ride with you I think we can do that I spoke to his son I spoke to

his son on uh in strata Bianca is that Morano Moser or is that a different that's his that's his nephew okay his son is I don't remember his son his son was a professional cyclist on BMC um I forgot his son I forgot his name now. I don't know if he's a professional on the development team. But then I spoke to him on the plaza there. And then we called his dad. We called, we called from, so I spoke with Francesco.

So he invited me to go to his winery whenever I'm in Italy. So I'll have to take him up on the invitation. Yes. That could be a good outing at live show from the Moser. So yeah, Remko, do you think he would have finished second? I agree. I think second's an amazing finish. No notes.

you think he would have finished second if Jonas was here? Honestly, I don't think so. Although, although I have to say, I actually don't know. Yeah, that's true. You know, you may be right because the Remco we have seen, you know, since Plateau de Solis-on was the second best rider in the race. No discussion. There was nobody better than him a part of Bogachar.

So, you know, don't think Jonas would probably have been able to. to shake him that much, he would have taken time on Jonas in the time trial. Yeah. So it's to be seen, you know, he would have been close. Like today, he would have been close. I think he probably even puts time at a Jonas today. If ghost Jonas is here. We don't know, Spencer, because if Jonas is here, it's a completely different race.

I think we would have seen more attacks of today, you know, because one thing is that they, yeah, that they letting other riders go away. I personally don't think that Bogachar would let Jonas get away because he would stay with Del Toro, because that's a different rivalry. That's a real rivalry. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't think, I don't think that they sees any rivalry with Remko. He's so far ahead that he, in.

Except the tour of planners. If today, if today, for example, if today, uh, Bogacha is what, six minutes, what, Is it six minutes 40? 626. 626. You know, it's because he decided to. You know, it's just because he decided he didn't need to have seven minutes. Yes.

And actually, I don't know if we fully digested this. Pagacchar, he basically gave up after Jonas crashed out. He tried hard on Alpdouaz, obviously. Yeah. He kind of sat up at the time trial. And also he decided in this tour, at least. as far as I can remember, he decided to not win three stages, three stages that he decided not to win. Yeah.

The one for the Toro, he could have won. Then the one that Remko won on Plateau de Cereson, he could have won that easy. And today, if today he wants, he wins easy. Yes. Yeah. So that would put him at eight stage wins. Yeah. Tide for the record.

So it shows also that he is not actually. the 35 stage wins, I don't think he cares at all. I guess not. I mean, the proof would be in the pudding because he'd be gone for it. It's not really, I mean, it's not really that big of a,

you know, 35 wins in the tour. You know, it's better to win five tours or six tours or seven tours. You know, the amount of stage wins doesn't really matter. Clearly cares about his team and teammates. Yeah.

So to him, it's worth it. I mean, we were frustrated me and Wiggins were watching like, why is he going for it? He doesn't have anything to be worried about. But, you know, the Torr didn't know that Paul's excess could have been coming there. So it's good to have a teammate pacing you to the finish line.

And it looks good, right? Like the Normies love that. My mom watches that. And she's like, look at Tana. He's so nice. Pacing Deltara. Spencer, look at this picture behind me.

Yeah. What a picture. These two guys coming like this and all of the West. I mean, that picture is just amazing. Yes. You know? It's true. And I mean, here, let's go through the top 10.

Tell me, is anyone disappointed? Tadipugac chart, Remko Evanapol, Isaac Toloro, all happy. Paul Success, not really happy, but that's still a good result. Lenny Martinez. It has to be happy, amazing performance. You got to be. I met like a British journalist in London right before the tour. And he, you know, this is a guy that's been around cycling a long time.

He's like, yeah, you know, I think he'll just write 10 days and hop off. You know, just get the feel for it. You know, like, he finishes fourth. then Lenny Martinez 5th got to be thrilled has to be super happy yeah Matajesh Gamos is sixth very happy it's happy yeah wanna Yuso's seventh probably not so happy he's he's not happy but still you know for not having a great tour finishing seventh it's not bad you know I mean it's a great ride today especially if you see the top five I mean to be if you see the top five yeah yeah being seventh it's not a bad tour you know it's

He has higher ambitions, but it's not like he can say, well, you sucked. I mean, he did a pretty good right. And today he did a good race also. And nobody sucked in is in this top 10. You can't. And then Richard Carapest, eighth. That's incredible. He finished eighth without even really trying.

Tom Pickock, ninth, probably pretty happy, right? I mean, I mean, he also said that he wasn't going to go for G.C. That he was going to try to enjoy the race. I don't know if he enjoyed it. I'm tempted to say he didn't enjoy it, but he suffered and he fought and he's in top 10. But anyways, I don't think Pitcock really cares if he's ninth in the Tour de France. The guy's a winner. But still, you know, if you see you can't win stages and there's something you can fight for,

it's always nice to be in the top 10. I would assume if we could hack Tom Pickcock's dreams. He envisioned himself being Richard Carapest. Right. In this third week. Probably. Yeah. Yeah.

That's probably what he wanted. And then the magician in 10th. This guy. This guy. We got to have this kind of show. Jordan Jigat. Jordan Jigat. 10th plays for the second year in a row on a zombie team.

Total Energy. That is so impressive. So impressive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty good. Pretty good.

That's the ride of the tour right there. So three French riders in the top 10. It is. It's a good. Two French riders in the top. top five. It's been a while. But unless they win tomorrow will be the first tour since 90. Yeah. There's not going to be no stage. There's not going to be a French stage win. No, tomorrow they're not winning the French.

And then oddly, you're right. Great tour. Two riders in the top five. And I kind of think this obsession with the stage one is not good. It's not progressing them forward. It's like the goal should be competing on the hardest stages with the best riders. And like that's what Lenny Martinez did yesterday. You know, Paul Sixthos, he's fourth overall. Jordan Jagaddi's 10th. Like, these are good results. I don't know if we need to be obsessed with the stage wins. And it's, it's just getting hard to win stages at the tour. Not as easy as it used to be. Yeah. There's no, there's no gifts anymore. Well, anything else on today's stage or do you want to preview tomorrow stage? Let's talk about the tomorrow stage. If we can get this right. So it's

Paris to Paris, brand new route. 89K long starts late in the day. I think it starts at like 4.30 local time. They start on the... Spencer, it starts at 10 past 6 local time. 10 past 6. I thought that was a misprint. Oh, my Lord.

No, no, it's 10 past 6. Jeez. I'm glad I'm not there with my kids. That's going to be fun. So they start on the Champs-Lise. They are adding an extra lap and then they do four laps of the Champs Lise maybe and then they do three lap no they do three laps on on the the the more marker circuit and then they go it and do yeah three climbs of the montmartre climb

it's it doesn't look when you look at it doesn't do it justice it's one k at 5.4 but it's cobbled it's narrow it's technical it's hard to get a big group up there it's good for attacking and they will then to send down and they have 10 kilometers to the finish on the Champs Lise, double the amount of last year, which was five. How do you, let me, let me read you the odds. Also, if you want to know the odds, you want to bet, go to next, next bets. So, nxtebats.com slash bet outcomes that will show you exactly where to bet and the best prices. And it took me to draft kings.

So Matthew Vanderpull plus 135, the favorite. Tatea Pagachar plus 275. Mads Patterson plus 450, Remco Evanapole plus 900, Yasper Phil. percent plus 1100 quin simmons plus 2,800 olaf koi plus 3,000 yesper stuybin plus 4,000 how do you think this is it's a tricky one to call how do you think it's going to play out and who's going to win i think we're going to see attacks and we're going to see uh i'm going to say matri von Poo wins tomorrow. I don't, I don't see who can beat him unless, you know,

I mean, it's a bit further from the finish, right? So it's not like last year, Walt Von Art won, you know, dropped Bogachar, Bogacha went deep, all the stages. Walt didn't. Same as, same as with it. They probably wouldn't have caught him, right? If it was five more K. No, they wouldn't have caught him.

But it was also, no. So it's more or less the same. The only guy I can see tomorrow who could disturb the, but then still, I think still Vanderpul would win. I'm not going to say Pogacchar. I'm going to say Remko. I think Remko is a dangerous guy tomorrow. That's not for, I mean, it's different. It's the last stage of a ground tour, 89 kilometers.

But let's not forget that Remko was won the Olympic Games on that same circuit. Yeah. Against Vanderpool, I think. He can obviously do this course and he's, you know, one of the best shapes of everybody right now. So I wouldn't exclude, I wouldn't exclude him to be there and then attack at the end and get away. Like with a late attack or something. Yeah, I cannot in any world, though, imagine Tadei Pagachar being dropped by Remko Abenapol on this circuit. No, no, no, no, no, he didn't respond.

He wouldn't drop him. It would be on the, like an attack on the flat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing, though, is. For example, if it's, I think it should be, normally would be, depending where Del Toro and Seixas is going to be. they're also going to be there.

You know, so van der Poole will be there, in my opinion. Pugacchar, Remko. What about Patterson? Probably. Pedersen. And then Del Toro and Seixas.

Those six are going to be there for sure. Depends if there's anybody else who can still hang on or come back. Unless we see this completely wrong and there's some sprinters like Philipson who make it. I doubt it, but it's possible. But still,

at the end, if it comes together with these six, seven favorites, it's going to be tactical. And then I can see Remko take advantage of it and sneak away like in the final. Well, let's say Phillipsson makes it, that almost helps your Remko theory because then Remko would definitely attack and nobody would chase them because they'd say, well, Jasper, you chase them because you're going to win the sprint. So that, to me, that actually would be how Remko wins. Phillips is still there.

I don't think Phillipson makes it, though. I don't think so. I think people underestimate a year has gone by and they've forgotten. This was a, it is a wild circuit. It is so difficult to get up and over that climb. I'm not going to overcomplicate things. I think Matthew Vanderpul could win. He probably will win.

I'm going to go Tatea Picot Char, plus 275, especially with the sitting up today. That he will have put out a lot less energy than if he tried to go for that stage one. he will have gone a lot less deep. I'm going to go with Pagachar plus 275. Okay. Are you going to Vanderpull or Evanapal? Yeah, Van der Poole, yeah.

Okay. Yeah, probably you should just ask yourself, just pretend this is the tour of Flanders and who would you pick, you know? It's going to be the same guys. It's going to be Pedersen, Vanderpull, Pagachar, Remco. Those are all Tour of Flanders contenders. What about Quinn's?

Simmons. Yeah. Yeah, he'll be there. He'll be there. But I guess he would have to get away. He would have to attack and get away. Which is also a possibility. If you're, if, you know, if it's, if it comes comes back together, you know, the difference is not going to be very big the last time of Mo Martra. So there's always a possibility that two little groups can come back and then take advantage of, you know, this favorites looking at each other. True. True. Then the question is, if Pedersen's there, does he have to do the work for Patterson and have Patterson win in the sprint? And then the question is, does Peterson beat Vanderpult in the sprint? That's a good question. In a one-on-one. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, does Patterson,

does he just go solo from the beginning? At this, at this rate, he might just right off the front. I personally think if it's, if it's a sprint of like, let's say, 10 guys and Vanderpul and Peterson are there, I think Vanderpull takes it. Well, yeah, because Vanderpull is a classic call your shots guy, you know? Especially also because Peterson has given so much. Yes. In the last few days that you feel it. You see, you saw last year, Walt was able to drop Bogachar.

Yep. And Vanderpull, I mean, he really conserves when he's not going for stuff and then it's like a light switch. He's full on when he's going for it. I do think he probably would win a sprint, a reduced sprint here. I mean, if you're going for a real wild card, I don't. I don't know, like, Mataisas Votzk plus 15,000. I'd almost think he could get away more than Quinn Simmons. I think he's cooked.

I mean, he did a lot the other day. He was up there with Peders and Poland the whole time. Did you notice that? That was yesterday. It was yesterday, by the way. That Little Trek pulled Lenny Martinez into fifth place ahead of Little Trek riders. Yesterday. But I guess it's worth it if you're getting.

green. Yeah. Question mark. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe they'd do that differently. They knew that was the outcome. But anything else on tomorrow's stage, you on, we will not be back for a show tomorrow. So this is their last show of the Tour de France. Yeah. And I'll be tomorrow joining you guys on the move. On the move. Yeah, we got to make sure we remind the producers of that and Mr. Armstrong. But we'll see you on the move. Anything else on today's stage? No. We need to do Ventum Privia. Oh, yes. So is a good one.

So if you want to answer the question, you have one day to do it because tomorrow on the show of the Johan, we're going to announce the winner. And the winner gets $5,000 toward an NS1, which is a road bike, GS1 gravel bike. I think the e-bike is the ES1. Lance has been riding that around town looking pretty cool. I'm a little jealous of it. But it could all be yours if you just go to ventumracing.com slash the move and enter the answer to the trivia to be entered to win $5,000 toward one of those. you can just shop while you're there with code the move 10 you get 10% off anything on the site so yesterday's question and i don't know if ventum did this to me but the shared spreadsheet now has these

opposite so i think i did the wrong question on the wrong day but we'll just pretend that's fine so today's route went over the cold du galibier which earns what distinction in the 2026 race i'm sure you know this joan it is the highest point yeah there's another there's another answer also which I thought was the answer. So it's the highest point. And it's also called the Grand Prix Henri Des Grange. Is that always the highest point? Yes.

The highest point is always the Grand Prix. Chima copy is in Italy. And in the tour, it's the Grand Prix Henri de Grange. So it's two thousand of the two. Founder of the Tour de France. Yes. Publisher. He owned a paper perhaps.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know the name of the paper? Oh, my Lord, that's a good question. That's another trivia. Well, don't say it. Let's save that one for next year.

Okay. Well, it's the, it's the reason why the yellow jersey is yellow. Yeah, because it had yellow paper. And it was somehow also involved in the Dreyfus affair because it was around the same time that the race started. It's called L-apostrophe auto. Otto. The car. Yeah.

Fantastic. Fantastic, man. for a bike race. That's 8,718 feet. So pretty high. Yohan, I was wondering if the Galibia is in the race, this happened a few years ago. And it was not the highest point. Do you know what the highest point was?

Yes. What's the answer? I've written it. So it's called the Labonet. Yes. Yeah. But there's some like caveat. You know, it's like not technically a mountain pass.

It's like a through road or something over. There's always different. It is a mountain pass. But then I do remember I've gone over it a few times. You get to the top and then they did another road, like especially another road that is like a little loop that brings you back to the same place to be the highest paved road in Europe or in Europe. I think. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. There's some work around they did to be the highest pay. It is very high, though. To be higher than the Gullibier is really hard. I think it's a 2,700 something? I don't know. I think, yeah, I think that's right. That's really high.

That's higher than we're staying right now. So this question is really easy. So this is your chance to get in and answer it to be entered to win. The iconic Alptuess climb is defined by how many numbered hairpin bins? So if you know that answer, go to ventremoracin.com slash the move and enter your answer there. Anything else, Johan? No, that's it. And I'll see you tomorrow on the move.

Okay. See you tomorrow.