THEMOVE - Jonas Puts His Giro Rivals on Notice | Giro d'Italia 2026 | THEMOVE+

Episode Date: May 9, 2026

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down Guillermo Thomas Silva ride to win the opening stage of the Giro d'Italia after a tough finale that saw a tough crash and GC attacks fly, before previewing Stage 3, which ends the Giro's block in Bulgaria. Listen in to see what the duo thinks of the sage, how the action will play out tomorrow, who will come out on top, and which riders present the best betting value. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Gusto: Try Gusto today at https://gusto.com/themove, and get three months free when you run your first payroll. That's three months of free payroll at https://gusto.com/themove  

We saw already in one kilometer, in one kilometer of hard climbing, only one kilometer. We saw that Jonas was stronger than everybody else because he did drop Belizari. Pelizari came back. You know, but anyway, it's to be seen, you know, if Adam Yeats wouldn't have crashed and, you know, some others. But anyway, yeah, Jonas already showed today that he's stronger than everybody else. And I think actually speaking of, you know, listening to the interview, Penizade gave an interview, you know, he said, yeah, I'm feeling good. My legs are great.

But, you know, it's Jonas. You know, it's Jonas. So they kind of accept that he's above everybody else. Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Bernal. We are breaking down stage two of the Giro d'italia and then previewing tomorrow's stage three. Stage two was one.

Unexpected winner, Guillermo, Tom. Thomas Silva from Uruguay on XTS Astana. We had a little bit of GC action. Jonas Vinegard attacked on the final climb, tough final climb. I guess as tough as we hyped it up. We looked at the profile yesterday. Johan,

he got away with Giulio Pellizari and Leonard Venet felt gap. I mean, the attack was impressive. The gap was never that big, though. And they were reeled in by a large and growing chase group, about what, 30, let's say, 31 or 32 riders. Jan Christian from UA, bridged up with the last second, kind of broke a little bit of the cohesion in the front group when he did that. And then right when the catch happened inside the last couple hundred kilometers,

couple hundred meters, and XTS Astana, Christian Scroni went to the front, led out his teammate. They get the win. Tudor was second with Florian Stork. Giulio Chaconi, your pick was third. My pick, Jonathan Nervais, nowhere to be seen. We won't talk about that because we'll just blame it on the crash. There was a crash with 23K to go.

Poor Ryan Mullen from NSN pulled all day for Corbyn Strong. And then with 23K to go, when the GC teams were moving up, there's a crash on the left or right side of the road, outside of the road, depending on how you were looking at the screen or being in the Peloton. Takes out a good chunk of UAE. Adam Yates goes down, loses a lot of time. Jay Vine crashes out.

Mark Solair crashes out. Poor Jay Vine, by the way. I think this is his third time crashing out of a race. Every time he comes back, he seems to get injured. It's really unfortunate. The race was neutralized with about 20k to go, de-neutralized with 16k to go right before the start of the Red Bull kilometer. So Ineos kind of, it seemed like people were caught off guard by this. Ineos gets six bonus seconds for Igor Narnal, four for Time and Aronsman. Connor Swift on Ineos smartly takes

two seconds, so no one else gets any bonus seconds. And then Yonis was kind of out of position going into the final climb. Vizma had one rider left, gets him to the front. He attacks looks impressive. What are your impressions? What are your key takeaways, Johan, of the stage? Yeah, well, Spencer, first takeaway is for me is the big crash. I think that's a game changer in this stage and in the in the Gero. You know, nothing really happened. We had the typical attack. Two riders from Boltee visit Malta, attack from kilometer zero. One of the guys was from yesterday, too. Same guys yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. What's his name? Diego Sevilla.

Yeah. And it was like a, it was a long stage, almost five, almost six hours. And he's out there the whole time. So impressive. 220-something kilometers. So basically it was,

I guess it was NSN who was doing all the work. They were betting on Corbyn Strong. And, you know, looking at the way this stage developed, without the crash, you know, maybe Corbyn Strong would have, had a decent chance to win.

Yeah. You know, because it was, he would have made it over this climb, I think. But anyways, the big crash, I think, was my main event of the day. It was completely in the front. I think the third and a fourth rider went down. It was UAE. Basically took out the whole of his team. I don't know who it was who went down.

It was, you know, a slight right hand in a downhill. And it was completely in the front of the Peloton. As you said, Jay Vine has to abandon. Mark Soler has to abandon. Adam Gates was really, really hurt, I mean, and loses 13 minutes. So yeah, really unfortunate for UAE. That's their zero there, done. You know, I mean, they can't do DC anymore.

Yeah. Now we'll see. I mean, plus they lose two really strong riders with Jay Vine and Mark Soler. shows you know that the preparation of a long period like for example Santiago Bittrago his whole season was based on the GC in the in the Giro he also had to abandon on stage two it now it now depends you know if these guys can recover some guys recover from these crashes and then basically have you know change their program then they put them in the Tour de France and they have a great tour there's always a silver lining but anyways it's never good to crash out

out of a ground tour, especially in the beginning. That changed the whole dynamics of the stage, I think. You know, as you said, it was briefly neutralized for about five kilometers. I think the main reason was, well, first of all, it's a decision of the race direction and the UCI commissaires together. Usually, you know, when it's a big crash like this, even in the final of a race, I think the main reason was the ambulances. They probably needed at least three ambulances to take people to take care of people.

So they have to basically then, I guess there's backup ambulances. And then they also waited until the majority of the riders who had crashed were back. But you kind of know that that's just a courtesy decision. You know, if you went down really hard there and you get back, it was just before the bottom of the climb, it came over. You can't come back. The only rider, a GC rider who I saw who went down and then came back is FedExcal, who was still in pretty good position. Derek G also went down pretty hard, made it back but got dropped. You know, if it happened so late in the stage and at these speeds, I don't know, was it wet when they were crashing?

Was it wet already? It was, yeah, it was quite rainy. And it was downhill into a corner in the rain. Yeah, it really high speeds. Yeah. Yeah. Two stages, two big crashes, man. That's not a good start of the Gero.

It's not great for Bulgaria either, for Bulgaria. Bulgaria. I don't know if it's Bulgaria's fault. I thought, I mean, yesterday was probably too narrow. Today, I thought the course was pretty good. Yeah. Of course, it's not their fault. It's not their fault.

But yeah, things like this happen, especially. Listen, if it's bad weather, in the first stages of a grand tour. Everybody's fresh. Everybody wants to be in the front. These things tend to happen. But then, listen, finally, the race goes on, you know. Too bad for the guys who stayed behind.

That's, you know, that's cycling. And we still saw a really good race on that climate. It was actually, I think, a lot harder than people expected. And, yeah. Vizma led it out with Paganzoli was, I think it was Paganzoli who was setting the pace like forever on that climb until finally Jonas. I wouldn't say it was an attack, it was an acceleration.

He didn't come out of the Sival in his first, in his first acceleration, which is something that we, that I've seen already several times this year, you know. Yeah, both him and Pagachar do this now. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know if it's something that they trained on, but it works. Yeah, whatever it is, it's working.

And only Pelizari and Leonard Van Aitfeld from Lotto Intermarchet would follow. Really impressed with Van Atefeld, by the way. And it looked like these three guys were going to sprint for the win, but finally there was a regroupment in the last kilometer. And yeah, I mean, what a win for this guy, Giermo Thomas Silva from Uruguay. first year on XDS Astana comes from Kacharural I checked his result

a bit, but he had a few good results already last year and even the year before and he recently won the overall of the tour of what is it, Hainan? Is it that in China? Yeah, yeah, tour of Hainan. Yeah, I mean, it's not a high level race but still as a sprinter, you know, winning two stages and the G. Yeah. It was not the fierce

competition, but still he came in great show. And on top of that, it shows that the guys really had faith in him because a guy like Skaroni, as soon as he saw that Silva was in the main group, he didn't hesitate. And that did an incredible lead out. So they knew that he was fast and that he had a chance. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's super impressive. And it, I mean, we should also mention young, young Christian with that late bridge. was incredibly impressive and then kind of killed the group because once he's up there, they were working really well together. He's up there. There's then attacks. You kind of know what's going to happen. I don't think the ticker was right as we're showing 21 seconds.

I don't think that was right. They were never more than it seemed like seven or eight seconds behind. But I was just, I was impressed by how Estana, like XS Astana, they just seemed, they obviously didn't plan it because how would you plan this? but they seemed to not be taken aback by,

oh, we're now sprinting for the win. A lot of guys seem like, even Jonas was like, I don't really know what to do right now. And Astana knew exactly what to do, get to the front win. Tudor misses out on a win. I thought Julia Chaconay looks pretty good.

But what do you think about Leonard Vanett felt as a GC guy? I had not had this in my calculation. And then the way he looked today on that climb was pretty impressive. Yeah, I mean, I saw an interview from him after the race. And he said, I mean, I think he had some bad luck already. I think he, I don't know if he crashed hard in Down Under or something. Then he was a UA tour.

Did he have some issue there? He was up there in a few stages. I think one stage he was third or four. And then he must have had another issue because he only came back into action. in flesh brabanson. But listen, he's a good writer. He won he won UAE tour a couple of years ago, I think, and he also won the tour of Wang Chi,

the famous high-level tour of Wang Chi. In the same year, the double. It's a world-to race. We were joking, but that is impressive to win UAE tour in Guangji. I mean, they couldn't be further apart on the calendar. That's a strong year. So he said that today his goal was to get the pink jersey. So he had a lot of confidence.

Must feel that he's in great shape. Probably, you know, like he looks like he's one of those riders who's really data-driven, knows his numbers and knows what he can do and what he cannot do. Now, as a GC rider, I don't think so. he may be up there for a few stages but I think in the high mountains it's going to be hard for him and what do you think about pelazari yeah definitely going to be the number one rival for Jonas although I think that Jonas is a level above everybody including bolidari it's hard to know I mean just based on what we've seen hard to know because he didn't drop him

but that's not even a good climb for him really not really I mean you know we saw already in one kilometer, in one kilometer of hard climbing, only one kilometer. We saw that Jonas was stronger than everybody else because he did drop Belizari. Belizari came back. But anyway, it's to be seen, you know, if Adam Yeats wouldn't have crashed and, you know, some others. But anyway, yeah, Jonas already showed today that he's stronger than everybody else. And I think actually speaking of, you know, listening to the interview,

Penizadezzi gave an interview. You know, he said, yeah, I'm feeling good. My legs are great. But, you know, it's Jonas. So they kind of accept that he's above everybody else. I don't know if we said this. He had like 94 second acceleration. 540 watts.

So at the zero, you get real power. You don't have to estimate it because you said in the pre-show RCS is a deal with the teams to get their power data. It's super interesting. So that's like over 9 watts per kilo. So he's probably pretty fit, as you say. Question for you, though, why did this happen? Why did he attack?

What's to be gained by this? Well, first, I think the main, listen, the main objective of Fisma today, contrary to yesterday, was stay out of trouble. I mean, yesterday they wanted to stay out of trouble by being in the back. Today, it was completely the opposite. They were always in the front. every single downhill they took in the front. And today it was clear also.

Once Yonaz, I mean, after the crash, he got a bit out of position. Didn't really, I mean, it was clear that he, with his own strength, he came to the front. He had Pianzoli setting the pace. It's to stay out of trouble. What's better to stay out of trouble than, you know, attacking and being with a small group because imagine they come over that climb. I mean, that downhill was not easy.

It was not. It was tricky. And especially already with what happened, you know, they also feel the state of the road. You know, it's slippery. There was dirt on some corners, you know, some reliefs. Even on the uphill, you could see in the herpins, they had to slow down because it was, it was, there was not much grip on the road. So I think it was more out of precaution. And yeah, I mean, he did one accelerator.

then you're safe and at the same time listen if then if you can try to win the stage why not i think he he wanted to stay ahead and try to win the stage which i think he had a chance with those three guys yeah yeah i mean i don't know if he beats fenet felt if they go to the line together he's a pretty a bunch of guys he's on slow either you know but his out he's also well that well then that i mean i think you're right i'm just saying this to say this but i think you're right that getting over the climb in front of the group probably is the safest thing because then you're picking your own line. Having said that, let's say he pulls them to the,

or he works, they get to the line, he gets third in that group, they get time bonuses. Do you feel differently about the decision? No. No. No. Jonas is not going to need any bonification to win this year. Yeah, I mean, I could be out of my mind.

I think, I mean, I think we said this yesterday. He's only since 2020, he's only, lost to two riders. Taday Pagachar, Deved God do in stage racing. I'm not counting subcuse. So Pagacho's not here.

He'll probably win. I don't know. I just thought it was, I thought it was kind of interesting. Like, if he pulls them to the line and they outspren him and he loses time, is that a good decision? Spencer, you know, you stay with your, his team had everything under control.

And then once he was out of teammates, then the best defense is the attack. It's simple. Well, he was out of, yeah. Well, he dropped his teammate when he attacked. I'd love that. Yeah, but his teammate was obviously setting a pace for him to, you know, to launch an attack, I think. And it was, you know, it was two kilometers, two really hard kilometers.

I would say almost three kilometers really hard. So I was actually surprised that it took so long for, for, for, do they have some separation in that group? They stayed together quite a long time. Yeah. Or back. So he probably used a lot of energy to do that. And then 3K for riders that good.

I mean, yeah, I'm actually surprised he got the separation he did because, you know, 3K, it was tough, but it's not easy to create, especially this early in a grand tour, not easy to create separation on a GC group like that. he looks good looks like he's flying Pelazari looks very good Leonard Bennett felt didn't see it coming he looks great the crash obviously is game changing

for UAE they lose pretty much everything oddly they almost they lose everything they almost win the stage that would have been quite the day for them I think we're probably all worse off that Adam Yates and Jay Vine or Adam Yates is out of the GC Jay Vines out of the race Mark Saler's out of the race

that is not great for any of us watching you're not you're not too concerned about the Red Bull kilometer bonus seconds that Egan Bernal picked up? No. I was surprised nobody went for them. They were seen like three seconds. Yeah, it was, yeah.

I mean, yeah, Bernal is now, I mean, because of that, he's now in, is he in third in D.C.? He's in third, third of third. He's in third, six seconds ahead of everybody else, except Orenzman who's two seconds behind. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.

So real winner of the day, Egan Bernal. No. If you really think about it. No, I mean, you know, listen, I mean, obviously it's clear that we have to get used to the name. No, net company, net company, right? Net company. Net company, Enaios. Soon to be net company, another company name, not Ineos.

Oh, and not company, total energies. What's going to happen with total energies? Well, I don't know. You're saying there's an announcement that Ineos is disappearing from the name of the team. Well, they're going to sell that spot to somebody that we, that we don't know yet. Well, it can't be total energies this year because they already have a team name. So you can't have two teams.

They're still on there. They're still on there. They're still on there. I would imagine they'll try to fill the second title spot or the second naming spot. Total Energy stays on as another partner. And then you're getting close to UAE money. You hope? What's going to happen to UAE?

We don't know. Also, before we move on, we should say, poor Ryan Mullen. guy pulls all day for NSN, you know, the gap to the breakaway gets up to like five minutes. Someone's got to come to the front. NSN blinks, comes to the front, starts pulling, and then he crashes and NSN goes down. Not like, that's the unglamour's side of being a professional cyclist. It's wet, it's chilly. You're out there by yourself pulling all day and then you crash and your team does not get

what they wanted out of it. Also, poor Wilco Calderman, man. Yeah. He had no clothes left on his back. And the cameraman was not very gentle. Why did they do that? That was not nice. They're always, man.

Anytime that happens, the cameraman is all over it. That was ridiculous. I mean, come on. Yeah, I don't love that. Anything else on this stage before we move on? Nothing particular. I mean, listen, Guillermo Silva, man. I think we have to highlight

this victory you know 24 years old Uruguayan first participation of an Uruguayan rider in the Giro and first win also in pink Wait wait First ever participation That's what I heard

The first Uruguayan rider ever to participate in the Giro I'm going to look into this I can't think of many Uruguayan riders Man In the past Yeah the only thing is like 15 50 to 100 years ago, they were such a sports powerhouse that, yeah, maybe there's not, but they're like one of six countries to ever win the World Cup.

But yeah, maybe there is never been here. I don't know. Who knows? I don't know that much about Uruguay. Never made it across the river over the Montevideo. He's going to be a gods in his country. I saw a very, very nice interview of his father who was at the finish line behind the barrens. with a bunch of Uruguayan flags and it was it was really nice very emotional

interview very nice yeah that I mean how did Astana even get him on the team that he was on Kaharural he was a few good results had a few good results in those you know pro races or whatever you call like dot pro yeah second division races and then I'm gonna guess he probably has a good agent who has connections with those teams. But anyways, you know, it's clear that they saw the potential. Because, you know, you don't win a stage like this if you don't have any potential. It was a hard stage. You had to be there in this group.

It's kind of a crazy. So he was at the Valta last year. The hardest stage of the race, the Anglerloo, he gets 36th. Like ahead of quite a few riders. actually. I also saw he did two of Catalonia. He did,

I think he did two top ten finishes and then he d-nessed the stage after. Interesting. Yeah. This year. You're right.

Yeah. Top ten both stages. The signs were there. Yeah. Third in his own road race championships. He's been already a few times

Eurodian champion. Interesting. Well, also, Paganzolo, you mentioned. he was on Pulte Visit Malta last year. What a pickup for Vizma, by the way.

Great signing, great signing. Yeah. He was key on that final climb. And that's the guy they just picked up from Pulte Visit Malta. Somebody get, was that guy, Mercco Miostri, is that it's in the breakaway today? Maybe someone should sign him. But so that's it for the stage. We'll move on.

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Okay, Johan, tomorrow's stage three. Our last stage in Bulgaria. I actually think Bulgaria is kind of the, they're shining here. I'm more likely to visit Bulgaria than I was before, maybe for a cycling trip. So I guess that's the win. This is 175. But the weather's not. I mean, if the weather would be better, they could showcase the country a lot.

That's true. It is, you bring up a good point. It is a bit of a crapshoot when you do the Zerro is just the hardest weather beast of all the grand tours. Early May, I mean, especially in Europe, it can be very wet. There's so many stages of the Zerro in Italy that are just, you're like, man, I would never go to this town. Look how miserable it looks. And it's the most beautiful town ever, you know, just because. It's like it can be a really rainy, cold month.

Tomorrow, though, supposed to be beautiful weather. And Sophia the Capitol, 175 kilometers finishing in the Capitol. We have a mountain pass midstage, but 75K from the finish. I don't expect it to split anything up. 9K long at 5%. There's a Red Bull kilometer sprint with 12K to go, 13K to go. I don't think that. I actually am curious to see what happens there.

But then we go into Sophia for a. sprint finish, presumably, who do you think is going to win the stage? Do you think it's going to be a sprint or a breakaway? Yeah, I think it's going to be a bunch, Sprint, Spencer. You know, there's this client. It's nine kilometers, not a climb, not a climb, not fair to five percent average. So way too far from the finish to have somebody or a team, you know, increase the pace and try to drop.

I mean, maybe some teams with sprinters who can climb better could set a pace in, in order to drop other sprinters, like for example, Gunaugan or Milan. Milan's not going to get dropped. Manny doesn't look like he's going to get dropped. Groves can get over it. So there's not a lot of incentives for teams to make it hard on the sprinters. You know, in a normal circumstance, you could say maybe NSN with Corbyn Strong, who climbs probably better than everybody else on the sprinters.

but then, you know, Corbyn Strong went down today. You know, so, no, I think whatever happens, there's 75K to go, basically all,

I mean, mostly downhill or flat. So a bunch sprint tomorrow. Yeah, it'd be so hard to hold them off. Even if you drop someone, you know? Yeah.

So you think, wait, did you say, did you say who you think's going to win? No, no, bunch sprint. So I think,

bunch sprint. Paul Monnier is going to win again. First of all, because I haven't seen anybody. That's also something that we have to take into account. We don't know which teams have people implicated in this crash, which the day after, obviously, you are at a disadvantage when you have riders who are hurt. If you have one or two riders who are part of your lead-out train went down, that obviously has an influence.

And so I didn't see any of the Sudar Quick Step riders hurt or down. Paul Manier looked good. You know, he was dropped. That was normal. But I think he's good enough and he's fast. And with, you know, the motivation and the morale of the – and he's in the Chiclamino jersey also with a decent advantage. I think he has 55 points and the next one has like 30-something points.

Well, I wanted to ask you about this. So what is going on with these points? So yeah, he has got a huge lead. He is 55 points. Next one's 35. Jonathan Milan, who won the intermediate sprint, only has, he's way down. I can't find him. But like, so what happens if there's two riders away, then that means the Peloton is sprinting for five points.

And then at the finish, there is like on a sprint stage. there is 50 points on offer. Why do they weight it like that? That's not normal for a grant tour, is it? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I hadn't looked at the way these points are divided or distributed. But yeah, I mean, listen, I think the intermediate sprints should definitely be a bit more important than just what is it? You might as well not even.

I mean, it's 12 points for first, but you're almost never going to get there before a breakaway. So you almost shouldn't sprint for the intermediate sprint points. Yeah. Like the way they have it set up. Also, Spencer, and usually, I mean, even in the tour, although in the tour, you know, it's a little bit higher level in terms of those intermediate spins, but even in the Giro here, you see, I mean, they don't really go full gas.

You know, they just try to be in a good position and get some points, you know, like if, if your rival gets five, well, you try to get four. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's like the delta is so small that you've not spent that much energy. But yeah, he's way far out in the lead on the Chiclamino. Yeah. So I think with his, with the motivation of the first sprint that he won really dominantly, I'm going to pick Paul Monnier again for the win tomorrow. It's not. I mean, he was by far the fastest rider on stage one. So in that respect, great pick. He looks

great, super versatile rider. I don't think he'll be as damaged by the mountains tomorrow as other riders. But I'm going to pick Thomas Lund Andresen only because I thought Marnier looked very cold today, like visibly bothered by the cold. His hands were numb. He's trying to like shake his hands. He just kind of looked like he was not having a great time in the cold. So I'm going to pick someone from Denmark because maybe they dress better. Maybe he's less cold than Manya. And I have to say Lund, is it Anderson Lund? Is it Anderson Lund? Yeah. Thomas Lund Andresen, I believe. Okay, whatever.

It's either way, anyways. Sorry, did we say Thomas? It's Tobias is his name. Yeah. Yeah. He was there for a very long time on that climb. I mean, he was in a top. He was in a group.

He was not far behind. I think they just barely just didn't make it back. Or maybe he got dropped on the last incline or something. but he was definitely quite a bit ahead of of Manier and of Milan. I don't know where Milan was, by the way, on the climb, but

I don't think he tried. He was Milan was he was two minutes back, but you're right. So Lund was a minute behind. I believe he was in a group with Derek G. West who lost one minute.

I don't think we said that. One minute, one second. You're like, well, not great and he crashed terrible still a better start than last year great performance from deroggy by the way because he went down hard took a while before he could get going again yeah and you know started the climb in last position uh and was hurt so uh not not too dramatic not too catastrophic for him um considering that uh you know what it could have been i mean yeah i mean even some of these guys I mean it was a great ride from him but what's weird is if you go back to stage one last year he lost 57 seconds on a sprint stage where I guess just some guys start colder than others but when you consider that time loss today doesn't seem as bad you're like oh he only lost 61 seconds and you're in a bad crash and you had to chase back on Derek G also on Derek G I was looking at Littletrek they are not in a great place so they have eight wins this year sounds good

six of those have come from Milan, only three races since the European season, three wins since the European season started in February. That's not great for a team that spent that much money. They spent so much money in the transfer market that I think someone said they could have started a second team with that amount of money. And they have three European wins to show for it. That is not a great. That's the things are going great at the team.

in turn around pretty quickly. But yeah, no, I hadn't paid attention to that. But yeah, not ideal. I only noticed it because yesterday I was like, wow, Milan's had a better season than I thought because he's won all these races. But then it's like, oh, he started incredibly well. Wins a stage at Adriatico and just has not looked himself since.

Did something happen to him? By the way, he said yesterday, he did say that, He just didn't have the legs. You know, just didn't have the legs. Yeah, still did 2010 watts maximum power. That's crazy. What is that?

If he has the legs, is it 2,200? Yeah, 2,500 watts. What's he doing? I mean, he has to put, when you see how on arrow he is, though, he's got to put out a lot of power. By the way, I checked yesterday, I said, Manier, I estimate more or less 1,750. It was 710 watts. maximum and 1350 average in the last minute or something for one year. Interesting.

In the last, it can't be the last minute. That would be so many watts. I don't know. I don't know. It's probably the last like 30 seconds or something. But that's a lot of power for a guy. You have a lot of this, you know, this, I mean, it's not the same. It's a different discipline, right?

but the guy who got the world record on the kilometer, Jeffrey Hoagland. He did the, he did the one kilometer standing start. Standing start, not a flying start. Well, standing start. I don't remember the exact time, but it's under a minute, of course. I don't know what it is. His maximum power was 2,500 watts. I mean, the guy's a beast.

exactly. Yeah, yeah. It's nothing compared to road racing, but I don't know exactly over how long that was for Ful Monnier, but still, 1710 watts for a guy who weighs 70 kilos, that's pretty impressive. That's super impressive. That's a lot of watts from not a lot of weight. My head a friend that was a pro track sprinter for a while. Shout out Kevin Selker. And he would get dropped like on local group rides because he would, you know, they're so big that you can't, you know, you like can't climb at all so it does come at a cost there's a reason those guys aren't just we're back into them and this is what this is what this is 20 years ago 20 years ago chipolini told me once that his maximum was back then 1800 watts back then yeah yeah i was wondering yeah because i mean that is a lot

1800 it's like not nothing but i mean chipillini was also more arrow than milan yeah yeah for sure yeah So, yeah, that is interesting. It's kind of sobering to think about how fast Chipolini was and how unbeatable he was. And then you compare him to the guys now. I mean, even think about Mark Cavendez, he's probably not putting out more than 15,600 watts. 1,500, yeah. Yeah. But he was winning in this modern era, which is even more impressive.

He won just, what, two years ago with the tour of friends. Also, Kevin Soger did lose the weight, and he was a great climber. I just want that on the record. I don't want Kevin get mad at me. But I'm going to pick Lundendresen. and I'm watching Milan. If Milan doesn't win tomorrow, I mean, it is a big day for Little Trek

because they need a win. Tomorrow would get them back on track, as you say. So there's actually a lot at stake, and then we have a travel day Monday, and then we're back Tuesday. And so, but we'll be back to break down tomorrow's stage, and then we'll be taking Monday. So you're picking...

I'm picking Lund. Yes. Or Lund. Yes. We'll get it straight. wins this he wins this stage we'll get his name right that's our promise yeah there you there you go tobias that's your incentive but yeah i thought he looked pretty good on the climb i thought he looked a little less bothered by the weather we'll see if that helps him okay thanks joan and we'll talk

tomorrow okay go bye