THEMOVE - Jonathan Milan ends Italy’s Tour stage-win drought | Tour de France 2025 Stage 8 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 12, 2025

Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka the Professor) go through Jonathan Milan’s impressive sprint to win his first career Tour de France stage, despite losing his Lidl-Trek leadout in the chaotic final few hundred meters. The crew breaks down what the win means for Milan’s Green Jersey chances, what Wout van Aert’s surprising ride to second place tells us about Visma–Lease a Bike’s potential team strength in the third week of this Tour, and questions why Quinn Simmons’ Lidl-Trek team has him pacing on the front from the start of each stage instead of looking to contest stage wins. Before they go, they touch on the rumors of Remco Evenepoel’s transfer to Red Bull–BORA–hansgrohe this coming off-season, discuss why TotalEnergies is allowed to have two teams in the same race, and take a few listener questions. Huckberry: Huckberry is building the future of retail for active, adventurous guys. Where style and adventure converge, millions trust them as their one-stop-men’s shop for discovering and shopping well-crafted products. Check out some of our favorite products at: https://huckberry.com/themove Roka: THEMOVE listeners get 20% off. Just go to https://ROKA.com and enter code THEMOVE at checkout.   BUBS Naturals: Check out the BUBS Collagen Club Welcome Kit with over $100 of FREE perks when you sign up for a subscription. This includes a 90 day supply of Vitamin C, coffee mug, mix wand, and more. And Use code......THEMOVE for 20% off your next purchase. You can stack those savings. Go to: https://www.bubsnaturals.com/discount/THEMOVE and use the code THEMOVE for 20% off.   Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove   Timeline: If you care about performance, recovery, or just want to stay strong as you age — check out Mitopure. Go to https://timeline.com/THEMOVE and you’ll get 20% off.   Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

Incredible win by Jonathan Milan. First Italian win since 2019, like you said, his first Tour de France stage wins. Right. Unreal. Oh, my. Right. Everybody. Welcome back to the move podcast. I'm Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins, Sir George Keppi and the professor, Spencer Martin. The professor is back. We're and the professor Spencer Martin professors back we're keeping the professor out here he keeps getting things spot-on so by the way

also quick shout out that little intro music if you know this or not so Bradley that is Mickey Raphael I thought it was yep Who has played harmonica for Willie Nelson for Purr. Did he play for Lyle Lover too? I'm sure he has. You know he was in town yesterday. I'm sure he's sat in with Lyle. He tours when he's not with Willie. He tours almost exclusively with Chris Stapleton.

But Mickey, widely regarded as the best harmonica player to ever live. So that's pretty sick. He made that song for us. I remember. I do know that story. As is the case each and every day. Today's show presented by Keytone IQ. Alain, we're talking about stage eight. Where we go? Stage eight from Saint-Méan-le-Grand to Laval-Espace-Mayenne. From Saint-Méan-le-Grand to La Valle Espace Mayenne. That's the best one so far.

I mean, I don't even know what he said, but of all the days that Alain told us where we started and finished, that's the best one. That's the yellow jersey so far, in my opinion. Right, you're supposed to laugh at that. Jonathan Milan, first Italian stage wins since 2000. This is hard to believe, you have to think about this. This is in terms of cycling history, the Italians, I don't know, probably a top three country over the last century and worldwide. Hard to imagine it It's been

Six years since an Italian. Yeah on a stage in the Tour de France Nibali the last Italian to win in 2019 Probably Wiggins was there for that, right? Yeah, I was doing the motorbike but we weren't allowed on the motorbike that day because there was storms and rocks falling and things I think the stage was actually shortened that day. Yeah, it was very short stage. And I was on the last climb a couple of Ks ago watching Vincenzo come past. Great rider.

But, yep, by all accounts an incredible stage win. Nonetheless, six years, long time. Good for him, great sprint. For my eyes, he seemed to do a lot of it on his own. I think George has- All of it, yeah. All of it. We'll get to the breakdown here in a second.

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I was wondering if he's missed me at all. I'm like, hey bro, what time do you want me to come over? What do you mean? I mean, you want me to come over and watch the race? No, I'll see you at the studio. This is how much the man misses me. Doesn't even want me to come over. I'll get back to hug Barry in a second.

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I came home, I was all alone. I was like, ooh. Which your favorite person? Dogs are gone. George is gone. Wife is gone. I was all alone. It was unbelievable.

It was unbelievable. Doesn't get better than that. And by the way, woke up all alone. And I was just kind of walking around in my skitties. And just, it was, you saw me, Bradley, you were in the gym when I, Bradley got up at 5.30, he was in the gym before me. When I walked in, it was a different guy.

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All right, stay tuned. Impressions? We were talking about as we were both living our best lives in the gym this morning, not your typical first weekend of a tour to France. Typically the tour, you know, run through typical first weekend of a tour to France. Typically the tour, you know, run through the first week, let the sprinters have some cheese, and then first weekend, selection, mountains, drama. For lack of a better way to say it, the stages

that people really want to watch. This is different. We've got a Saturday and a Sunday dedicated to the sprinters. Thoughts on that, sir Bradley? Well, I think part of the reason for that is because Monday is Journée de Bastille, Bastille Day. That's right. Which is going to be a tough stage. And it's sort of a late weekend off for everyone. So tomorrow, Monday, Monday's a national holiday. So today, I think was, you know, as much as it wasn't as entertaining as it has been the last few days, I think it was a welcome stage for the riders. It's

been such a tough first week and it went as we expected, didn't we? Little Trek road on the front, Wontegubau for Binyam Gamay, and with a predictable winner. You know me, I don't really like to cause controversy. That's true. But I'm actually pissed off. I had to ask our man Spencer, is Lidl Trek an American team or where are they registered? Do we know? Can we look this up?

I'll look it up right now. I'm pretty sure it's American. I need to ask you all a question. Okay. How are you gonna put- By the way, I love this version of you. Yeah, I'm actually pissed. How are you gonna put our national champion

on the front when he is arguably one of the best top 20 guys in the race can win a stage at any moment has made the hardest breakaway in the race from the from the first stage they had him pulling for 50k and beginning the race today is pulling all day long. Are you trying to sabotage the kid from winning a race our national champion. I do not like this at all one bit. Yes, they won today's race, but they were, Jonathan Milan was alone at the finish. And yes, he pulled it off. Amazing sprinter, incredible win. They've had an amazing season. But give our boys some love. Why are you putting them in the front so early on?

That's a fair point. Look at their roster. I mean, I went at their roster earlier. They have many guys that can do what he's doing. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't understand it. I'm actually kind of insulted. We said it, we were in the gym.

We had the TV on watching it. And I just, and every time you looked up, Quinn Simmons was pulling. And of course this whole first week, he's been at or near the front, whether it's at the, pulling the Peloton or in a long breakaway. I said to Bradley, I said, damn,

he's burning some matches this first week. Well, no, they are burning his matches. And he's not doing this. He's not voluntarily doing this. I love this version. They're putting him on the front, wasting his energy for no reason whatsoever. Zero reason. That's a very admirable job to do that, but that's not what he should be doing. Why do you think he's doing that then? Their team is making him do it. He doesn't want to do that. There's no way he wants to do that. He wants to win a stage of the

Tour de France in the American National Championship jersey and he deserved the way he's been riding this year and what he's shown thus far. They should be saving him. I do not like that they put him on the front. Spencer, back me up here. Why are they doing this? Well, he did a lot of good work on the front. He was a late addition. But anybody anybody can do that anybody can do what he's doing I don't think why would you spend burn his matches? It's just a waste of his form right now It's a three. It's what you're saying is it's a three week race, and that's what I said I remarked He's the strongest guy that we's the strongest breakaway guy in the race right now aside from Milan He's the only other writer in that team you could see this cable when I don't get it

I'm highly insulted that this team is using him like this well. He's son. No he's the only other rider in that team you could see that's capable of winning. I don't get it. I'm highly insulted that this team is using him like this. Well, he's been... County, his wife got here last night. You think you'd be in a better mood. No, I was pissed. This morning I'm watching. I'm like, why is Quinn at the front right now? What are they doing? Mel's sleeping in a different room last night? He's been an odd... I don't want to... We're on TV now. I'm not just on the show anymore. But he's been an odd fit in that team for a while.

Like he wasn't on, he wasn't on the initial tour list. He just show up to, he was, you know, in Tucson training, had to race the American national championships that can have been like, if you're an American pro racing in West Virginia in May, in the meat of the season, that means you're not getting selected for a lot of other races. He wins that he goes to Switzerland wins I think he kind of forced his way under the tour team didn't leave them any other chance or any other option It I get it. But what's the identity of this team? Is it well track an American company or they switch?

I don't get it We have an American that can win a stage in the Tour de France and they're wasting his You don't want to ask me about that. But this kid is, I mean, what a warrior. I mean, he's going to keep fighting. He's going to make more breakaways. I just do not like the fact that they're wasting his energy like that.

Look, I mean, they're Panacookin' riders. No, they have a great team, but anybody can do on his team what he did today. That wasn't what I was going to say. I mean, there are Panacookin' riders in general. There's also Panacookooking directors and GMs and decision makers. There are, just are.

So, but it's a fair point. Nobody here is disagreeing with that. We remarked to that. And then, look, a nasty third week for him. I get it. If you have the four or five guys, like our old school lead outs at the last K. I understand, okay, they're saving these guys for lead out.

There was nobody there. I mean, they took them to like three, four K to go, John Malone's on his own. Stud, I mean, pulled it off, elbow and bump and grind, they did it on his own the last two kilometers, but I don't get it. I don't understand what's happening.

He's a stud. Six, three, 185 pounds. He looks taller than six, three in person. He does look, yeah. And he looks bigger than 185 pounds. Yeah that boy comes in and gives you some elbows you're like all right your wheel. You said something really interesting about his the testing they did with him because we kind of questioned his sprinting style as it compares to like a Mark Cavendish. Yeah compared to Cav and they actually uh Steve

Perino actually uh talked about it during the coverage today. And I guess they've done this testing around his style and it's exactly what we remarked. His head is high. There's just a lot of, according to Perino, he puts out 2000 watts of peak power during his sprint. So just, that's a lot for you kids at home. And that means you're going fast.

So when you're going that fast, I mean, the package has to be smaller. They've done this testing, I guess, and they've had him at 2000 watts with the head high, and they've had him at 2000 watts with the head low. It equates, again, this is all according to what I heard on TV, it equates to one bike length, which, I mean, you can imagine.

I mean, that means you went a lot more bike races. His head was high today and he's still won by bike length. So that's all just go for your power. If his head was low, does he ever lose a race? Well, I think that got an extra bike length. I mean, let's think about the effort he's doing. Full gas effort, probably 16, 17, 1800 watts, I'm guessing. Um, I think he just, he's just all muscle and that's his style. I think perhaps maybe putting his head down would affect his actual power on the

bike. So maybe he's going to go with what makes him what, what he feels most comfortable doing. He's also the world record holder for the 4,000 meter pursuit, 359 sub four minute world Olympic team pursuit champion, world record holder for the 4,000 meter individual pursuit. 359, sub four minute, Olympic team pursuit champion, world record holder in the team pursuit. And he's made that transition fantastically. Does that mean he has a high threshold power as well? Well, he's got a high capacity power.

So his ability to hold in excess of 550 watts for four minutes. He can win prologue. Which is freaky because it means he could almost, because usually a sprinter will have a high absolute power, a low. He's got both. He's got both. He can almost lead himself out. Which is what he did today. Yeah. I mean, he had to find his way. He had a teammate with him there at a K to go. You even remarked, George, like this is setting up terribly for him because that teammate you could see was was coming to the end of his effort and he was gonna be stuck there Right, so he had to drift back then kind of quack and find his way, which he did but even then He was not on the wheel. He was kind of

Just out there on the fringes which means in the wind and I mean, let's not forget We lost Phillipson had Phillipson in there. This is a whole different story. Tim Muller got a flat tire with 5K to go. But yeah, incredible win by Jonathan Milan. First Italian win since 2019, like you said. His first Tour de France stage win. That's right. Unreal, I mean, incredible. But I'm still pissed about what they're doing with him.

We can tell. And Spencer, you remarked, because we did talk about this in the preview show, the decision to leave Mads Pedersen at home, which by all accounts didn't please Mads Pedersen, maybe a little redemption for whoever made that decision. I still think Mads Pedersen plays a different role in this tour versus a stage like today. Right? He's, he's, yeah.

I mean, with the weird, yeah, I don't know the weird thing about that decision. There's a lot of stages, this tour that you think would be good for Matt Spetterson, but I guess those stages have been raised so hard. Maybe it was there. I don't know. It's, maybe it's never the right decision to leave a rider as good as Matt Spetterson off your tour team. A former world champion.

Yeah, maybe that should be auto-selected. This guy's one of the best of the generation. I mean, I think that that's right. Maybe it's never the right decision to leave a rider as good as Mads Pedersen off your tour team. A former world champion? Maybe that should be auto-selected. This guy is one of the best of the generation. I think that that's right. If you just want to honor him, throw him in the race too. That's what Alpecin did with Groves and Philipson. And then look at it. Now they've got a Sprinter finishing third on the day.

All right. We'll be back in 2 and 32. All right. We're back everybody. In other news, our man, Wout Van Aert seems like he's a second today. There was a second there where you thought he was going to make a run at stage one, but he's just progressively getting better and better. Bradley, I know you've, in lieu of the second half of this tour, you said

this is shaping up nicely at least for some story for finger garden. I mean, well, Van Aert can do it all, including climb. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've seen what he's capable of doing. Special talent. Most recently the Giro d'Italia where he practically won the Giro for Simon Yates. But it's good news for Visma. They need a strong Wout van Aert in this third week. And then it was a great performance for him personally as well. He got sick before the Belgium Championship. He was at the team hotel for the Belgium Championship. Didn't start the

next morning and came into this race a little bit off par from that illness. But it looks like, you know, he's come through that first week pretty much unscathed. We've seen him a few times, try a few little moves yesterday, tried to get in the break. But that's a good result for him personally. We've seen it before the Giro. He was sick before the Giro, got second in the first stage, was struggling in the first week, then bam, he wins the hardest race, the hardest stage in the Giro, the Stratovianca stage. We saw it in the Welta last year. Once this kid gets his momentum rolling, watch out.

I think from stage 10 on, he is going to play a major role in this race. Perhaps win stages, but certainly make a difference for Jonas. He gets stronger as everyone else gets weaker. He was so bad at the start of the G zero, unbelievably got second on the first day. He must have been dying to do that. Win stage nine about the time that we are right now, and just in the third week was so strong. So I think you're right, Bradley,

he's gonna be key in that third week. And this happens in every sport, every team sport. And it doesn't have to be a leader of the team or even a significant player, but you have, in any team sport, you always have a leader of the team or even a significant player, but you have in any team sport, you always have a leader in the locker room, right? It's a guy that either young players follow around or people just look up to and get inspired by. I don't know because I'm not close enough to it, but I mean, is he a guy who's sort of a leader, you know, in cycling in the locker

room is the team bus. Is he a leader in the locker room where this guy starts to get better and starts to say, hey guys, let's go do this? Yeah, I don't know if he's a leader in terms of vocally, but he is in terms of- You don't have to be vocal. Leading by example. Yeah, it's just this-

And there was a nice moment yesterday where they were finishing at the finish line of Mio de Bretagne where Younes was riding back down the finish straight, the opposite direction back to the team buses. And Wout was coming over the line, they just touched hands as Wout was finishing, which was, it just shows you the camaraderie

between them two. Yeah, I know there's a lot of criticism going on with their tactics the last couple of days, but I'm seeing this like quiet confidence. We have not even seen Sepp Kuss, one of the best climbers in the world. I like that actually. I think in my mind, they're saving him

and no pressure on him the first 10 days. He's not even helping Jonas at all at positioning. We haven't seen Sep Kuss wait till we hit the mountains. Quinn Simmons to Vizma. Mid-race. No, let's get the American team going. Let's get all these guys on my team in three, four years. Vamos.

Now we see what you did. Yeah,, almost. Now we see what you did. Yeah, yeah. We see what you did. Yeah, he's gonna start like so discontent with all these riders. He sucked us into that one, didn't he? Yeah. That was Lance DS.

Dear diary, all you neverminds out there. That's not going to happen. Everybody calm down and sit my ass right here. Be right here for three weeks. Not going anywhere. Just chatting. All right. I want to also mention.

I love this. You are on fire today, baby. Yeah. We're talking about, well, now we should talk about Total Energy. They made a nice move today. You said they're based in this town. Yeah. This is their region, isn't it?

This is going back to the good amateur team in the 90s, Vendayou, which was Jean-René Bernadot, and then of course, Bonjour, Brioche-la-Boulanger, all those amalgamations, different teams, Sylvain Chavannet, now Direct Energy. All right, so what do you think about Direct Energy, total, is it total energy? Total, yeah, I think it used to be Direct Energy. Don't get that creep in. So is it weird that they have essentially two teams in the race now? Yeah, it is. What's going on there?

They're co-sponsored for Ineos. They're going to stay on board with their own team for the next two years, at least. Is there some kind of rules against that? Did they make an exception? Well, the rule, I think, states, so Ineos, if Ineos was called Ineos Total Energy, would not be allowed. But think about, I don't know, like specialized used

to sponsor like three or four teams. The level they've technically come in at with Ineos is, I don't know if the money is that way, but just they're like a presenting sponsor, not a title sponsor, which means you can spread multiple presenting sponsors across teams. Little bit of a loophole, You see it with Red Bull. Wout Van Aert racing with a Red Bull helmet.

There's a Red Bull team in the race. Somehow they shuffle the papers that that works out. But it is dicey, because what if Ineos was competing in the GC? Carlos Rodriguez needs more help. Who's to say that Total Energies is not like a proxy team they can employ? And I don't think you can compare it to a specialized. I mean, that's like, if you think about Formula One,

that's having an engine supplier to multiple teams. Of course they do. But they don't share marketing sponsors like that. That's very different. But hey, we're talking about cycling. So they brought in, all right, so they have the rules. You just kind of, you know, pin the tail on the donkey a lot of times, honestly.

And we keep speculating where Remco's gonna end up. There's a lot of talk about that. Now also read that Ineos does not have a bike sponsor for next year, correct me if I'm wrong. That's, yeah, there's a lot of speculation that Specialized is going to Ineos. That connect the dot you then would connect as Remco to Ineos with Specialized paying a salary.

But I heard from our guy, our guy in the middle of the muck, said he's going to Red Bull. Red Bull boarders. Which is already a Specialized team. Yep, and that's how that would work. Big question is what, so the reason that would happen this year is Remco's contract expires next year. So this is the last year Sudol can sell him basically.

Because if they let his contract expire, they lose him for nothing. Now Red Bull, Ineos, whoever takes them would have to pay that final year of the contract. Could be quite a bit of money. And Sudol would then collect that and use that for the team. So, but what so what happens to Sudol if that happens because they went from being the best classics team in the entire world to transforming their whole team to be try to be behind Remco, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, they didn't win any of the monuments this year, which normally

they're in the front, Roubaix, Flanders. We didn't see them. They're all in for Remco, obviously, one of the best riders in the world. But what happens to that team if Remco leaves? It's not great. They've got Tim Relear. But you know who's eating their lunch?

Who's taking all the riders they would normally get? It's Alpecin Deconic. They get all these classics riders that would normally have gone to Sudol Quickstep. I mean, I don't know how much you want to say, but if he leaves the team, I think the team probably gets sold and someone buys it for the license. Yeah.

But if you walk it back, I mean, it's pretty clear what happened, right? That team was led by Patrick LeFevre for decades and he was one of the greats, right? His record speaks for himself. The record of the team speaks for itself. What happened was Patrick LeFevre got tired, right? As you would, I mean, it's a hard game and you're at it for decades and decades. Of course, he deserves to get tired and enjoy himself.

And then he retired, right? So you saw the phase where LeFevre got tired, and now you're seeing the phase of LeFevre retired. Year and night, Bradley. I feel like, yeah, no, it's true. You just saw him, right? Last year I was with Patrick last weekend. He's in his seventies now, Patrick. Yeah. Yeah. And he's been at it for a long time. You know,

over the years he's had pancreatic cancer and lots of health issues, but he's enjoyed himself now. And so he should, you know, he's had a great run. It's had one of the most successful teams in the world for many, many years. And, um, it's time to pass the baton onto someone else. And it seems, I mean, this was the first year in the classics. I don't think they were, they weren't even on the podium. Well, right. But it's, you can pass the baton, but you got big shoes there.

It's hard. Right. It's hard. And so TBD on that, right. And then, and of course the, the hot rock that keeps getting passed around or talked about right now is Remco. So I think it's pretty clear it's either Red Bull or Ineos. I mean, does Red Bull, what do you guys think about that? Like which team, if you were Remco having to pull, which team would you go to? Red Bull. Yeah. Especially with the

go to Red Bull. Yeah. Yeah. Especially with the slow descent of Rolich now. As opposed to Ineos? Well, I mean, when they helped you win the Tour de France. Yeah, I know. I know. But that was 12, 13 years ago. Yeah. And I think the culture has changed within Ineos. It's not, it doesn't have that winning culture like it did when, you know, Froome came along after me and then Geraint Thomas, you know, there's been quite a shift and we were mostly a British team then. And so we had an identity and we were doing it for a nation and we had the backing of Sky, which was a British organization. And over the years they brought in, you know, the South Americans and tried to win as many races as possible. And they've kind of lost a lot of its identity from that point of view.

And it's got a new owner now as well in Jim Radcliffe, who's eggs are spread. I mean, he's got the Manchester United project. He's got Nice Football Club. Formula One. Formula One, two teams in the Tour de France now. But do you think them bringing on Total Energy and bringing back Brailsford, are they? Well, I think bringing back Brailsford is a smart move.

He's someone who creates a winning culture and he's got a winning mindset, a winning mentality, and he's got a history of winning as well. But it's going to take a while now to get that team back. And Dave's come in now with, I imagine, with a view of doing a job over the next couple of years. He's at this tour to observe and take notes and see where they're going wrong and see how much it's changed. Yeah.

Also worth noting that Red Bull, if you just go down the ranks, down in the age categories, and if you talk about the development teams, the junior teams, the amateur teams, by all accounts, Red Bull has the best development team in the world. And so if you're a rimco thinking, well now I'm all of a sudden,

I look around, I'm racing with 21 year olds that are amazing. Well, I mean, if you see a 19 year old, 17 year old on a development team, you have to think that in two, three, four years, this guy's going to be on my team or I'm going to be racing against this kid. So it's, it's, I would be thinking about that if I was him. Here's a really interesting thing to watch. So Florian Lipowitz on Red Bull, Rimcoe Avenipol, they're both going for the podium here.

If Florian, it'd be interesting if Florian Lipowitz beats Rimcoe Avenipol at this Tour de France and then next year has to work for him because Rimcoe's coming on as his team leader. That would be tense, I would think. Could depend on that. Today's show also brought to you by Keytone IQ. We talk about it all the time.

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I don't know what to make of that. I mean, there was some speculation on TV, but there were a lot of flats. We've had times in the past where nefarious things have gone on. It can also just be, you happen to be going through some place where there's just glass or people have

got bottles but. Yeah, we've had times where people have thrown like tacks on the road and nails just to purposely make as many riders as they can flat. Yeah. It's not a, not a standard. We had like an issue with Cadela. Were you on Cadel's team?

Yeah, 2000, I think 2011, we all flatted like 15K to go. Who stopped the race? Who stopped the race? You stopped the race. I stopped the race. Wow. The man stopped the race. 49 people punctured that day. I punctured.

Yeah. Wow. 2011 or 2012? 2012. Yeah. And someone had to take the initiative and say, hey, we never want to profit from someone who's misfortune. Wow, look at that.

Yeah. You think they would do that today? I'd hope so. I think Tadey would. I agree. I agree with that. But there's other guys that could, too. I mean, Vanderpool could do that.

Yeah, Wild Van R could call that. Garen Thomas could do that. Garen Thomas would be a great guy to. Is Garen Thomas the oldest guy in the race? Yes, he is. 39. What? Do you guys think, I have to wonder, like, so obviously we are an odd Garen Thomas. I think there's young riders in the race who are like, who is this guy again?

No, no, no. He won the Tour de France. Wynland, like, was just born, I guess. Some of these guys are so young. Do they even remember the 2018 Tour? Do they remember the 2007 tour? That was Garant's first tour. That's unbelievable. What team? Barloworld. Wow. Yeah. Was he with Froome that year? No, Froome didn't ride the tour that year but they were in the same team.

That was the year they were riding for Robbie Hunter. Robbie Hunter won a stage in... Character, that guy is. Well you know he's an agent now as well. He's great. I've always been a fan of Robbie Hunter. That's great going. That boy, you want to hang out with somebody that calls it the way they see it. Holy hell, no filter. No filter at all.

That's what I love about him. I love it. Of course that is, that's the best part. We can get him on the show. That'd be fun. He was a good bar rider as well. Yeah, he was tough. He didn't give a shit about anything. He was in the race. We got some questions. Spencer, I heard we got some. Let's do questions and then we got a fun Ventum trivia question of the day. All right. I don't know the answer to this one.

Stay tuned for that. What's our question? I love this a pretty good question from Kevin. I'm gonna bridge the question. Sorry Kevin, but don't get too triggered guys. Kevin's question is can an average Joe hang in the peloton? He sends in his stats. He's 72 kilos 350 FTP 6.7 watts per kilo for two minutes. When the neutral zone ends and the brake is trying to form, am I getting dropped? Would I be able to stay in the groupetto up the mountains? If not, what power would be required

to make these basic scenarios? I would say probably you're dropped immediately. George was shaking his head when you were reading out the numbers. No way, I mean the numbers. Sorry Kevin. Sorry Kevin, but ask Mark Cavendish what kind of numbers he was doing just to ride the groupetto. Last year. Yeah, last year. I mean, the numbers are insane. Like none of us on this table would make it. Like what do you think Cavendish was doing? Like in the groupetto, like what's Cavendish doing?

I mean, he was... The groupetto is different, isn't it? But but just you've got to get through the first part of the race before the group better forms. But I think people would be surprised how violent this started the races because most people don't watch it on television. Yeah, yeah. Like you're seeing some of these stages, let's say they're going 54k an hour for the first hour. Like, when you race a big criterium, like a like a top

level criterium in the US, it's an's an hour long basically and it's slower than that So then imagine just that criterium never ends like it's even for a top level racer I think it would be shocking how fast it is. That's right Yeah, so you're saying the first hour of the race to tour of France is faster than these big-time crits here in the US That's really interesting. Yeah. Well, the crit racers would probably say, well, we have to turn more. So right, that's going to slow you down. Got it.

Yeah. No, that's interesting for sure. I guess if you think about it, if all the best riders are at one race, the speed's going to be pretty high relative to a crit. Yeah. But I mean, Luke Lemp Party on Sudol Quickstep doesn't even get selected for their best races,

showed up to Tulsa Tough, which is the top crit race in the US, and was like winning finger in the nose, you know, like with no team. Right. Yeah. He actually just got like second or third, what was the last crit? Lucas Burgone won.

Yeah, Austin Boyd. Yeah. Yeah, he's actually winning every, he's national champion. Oh, put him on your team. Always wearing a cowboy hat. I like this kid. He's from Austin. He's won every- I follow that dude on Instagram. Always wearing a cowboy hat. I like this kid. He's from Austin.

I follow that dude on Instagram. Do you really? Yeah. Good kid. Instagram is cool. So him and Lampardi grew up racing together and they were always like one, two, one, two battling it out and actually they just did a Criterium together and Burgone beat him. Obviously, coming from Europe, you're not really in the crit mind space, but still,

you should watch it. It was a good sprint. Whatever. You're excited to be home, excited to flex a little on the local guys. I would think you'd be highly motivated. Yeah. If you're just a crit racer, I think Luke has to get over.

The groupetto is hard, too. You can only lose a few minutes every mountain, like a six-mountain stage, if you want to make the time cut. So your demands are just different as a professional. Absolutely. Second, do we have more questions? Because that was actually a really good question. It's not a very popular answer with Kevin.

So we've raked Kevin over the coals a little bit here. Sorry, Kev. But here's the humbling point for everyone on the show. What's your current FTP? Oh, god. Who knows? George, you want to go first? 470?

I know. I have no idea. All I know is I got yelled at the whole ride two days ago by the boss here. And he dumped me. He said he's never going to ride with me again. So I'm kind of disappointed. I think that's why I was in a bad mood today.

I got nobody to ride with in FTP. We never ride by myself every day. Like if my life depended on it, I couldn't tell you or describe what FTP is or means. I mean, is that threshold? Yeah, like functional threshold power. Which is kind of his old science at this point. Look, I haven't had a power meter on my bike in 15 years.

I haven't worn a heart rate monitor in 15 years. Pete Slauson Do you look at your watts, Bradley, when you're right? Bradley No, I mean, it's such a different thing. I'm fit for a different thing now and a different purpose. I mean, we was, I was squatting this morning. I was squatting 300 pounds for eight, reps of eight, which I would have struggled to squat 80 pounds when I was a cyclist. I'm 30 kilos heavier now. 30 kilos? I was 68 when I won the tour. I'm 100 now, 99.

Wow. Yeah. I would guess though, All muscle. Like you guys, your pedal strokes are so efficient that if we get in your bodies are just different than a normal person. If we gave you like three weeks to train,

I bet your FTPs could be pretty high. You know what? I mean, that's not gonna happen. So, yeah. By the way, I bet your FTPs could be pretty high. You know what? I mean, that's not going to happen. So I thought, by the way, I witnessed the squats. I was on the bike warming up. And I'm just watching going, mm-mm. I mean, I was, I told, in fact, I told you and I told Mark up at the gym, I said, if I did one of those,

just pull the wheelchair right to the front door. Because I'm going to rip one. I'm of those, just pull the wheelchair right to the front door. Because I'm gonna rip one, I'm gonna go straight to the wheelchair and I'll be in it for a week. So I saw it, it was ugly for me. Ventum trivia, do we have more questions? No, we can bump for tomorrow. Got a good one for tomorrow.

Somebody got bumped. Ventum trivia of the Day, stage eight. Which rider holds the record for the most green jersey competition overall wins in the history of the tour? Who has the most green jerseys overall in the history of the tour? I think I know that one.

I don't know that one. The most green jerseys in the Tour de France. Yeah, I know that one. I don't know that one. The most green jerseys in the tour. Yeah, I know. You're not easy. Come on. Don't say it. Okay. That's easy. Can I add into the competition? Uh, yeah, sure. You can. Uh, should we, let's have it before we run, let's have a quick look at tomorrow's stage. Just another sprint stage. This is, um, yeah. Hmm. Not want, you know, I should love a stage. Like look at this stage, right? 174 kilometers. I should love this stage. You know why?

Look what is not there. There is no polka dot Jersey competition tomorrow. I, I should get up early. This is, um, one of Cavendish is winning his towns. Isn't it? He won three times. And, uh, I think the finish straight tomorrow is named after him. Come on. It's called Cavendish Avenue or something. I can look that up right here. I have, I have the run in Cavendish. It's like that. Is he still there at the door? I think he's not the money's there for the third week He was it was just try to get him on the show that way he'd be amazing

I'm in honor of this being one of his winningest towns that that was great On the race book here. They're not calling it that maybe it's a it's a symbolic thing as it should be But that'd be great. We should have mine, but no categorized climbs. Sorry to all you Polka fans. And really the lead up to what looks like just an, by the way, I love Bastille Day. I think it's amazing, right? It's, and for those who don't know, that's France's equivalent of the 4th of July.

So I'm glad that they moved the rest back a day and they have dreamed up a stage on Bastille Day that is, I don't know what FTP means, but somebody's gonna be at their FTP a lot during that stage, I guess, right? And we'll see if Jonathan Milan can all of a sudden reverse the fortune of the Italians, go two in a row.

Tim Melier had bad luck, right? So let's, had a flat within the last 510K. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see what happens if he can make it. We can make it. When he makes it. It'll be a good sprint battle tomorrow.

Hopefully they arrive without mechanicals, like you said. It should be exciting. Yeah. Big day for Quinn Simmons again. Hopefully not. If I see Quinn on the front tomorrow early on, I'm going to be pissed. No, no.

You can't say that. What are you going to do if you see him on the front? You have to do something. I can't do anything if you talk about it on our show. I think his director is a rabid fan of the podcast. So you have an outlet. If you're listening, give my boy a break. Give our national champion a break.

Don't plead and be nice. No, go back. No, no, do not put him on the front. Okay, that early on anymore. I do not want to see that I love this. All right, everybody. Thanks for watching!