THEMOVE - Just how hard is tomorrow going to be? | Tour De France 2024 Stage 10 | JB2

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

Johan explains that although this has been an incredibly hard first week of the Tour, they have only done 1/3 of the meters of total climbing for this tour, which means there is a LOT of racing left in this Tour. Johan also evaluates the top GC teams up to this point in the race.

They've only done 18,000 right now. So that's only a third. I mean, yeah, they still have 34,000 meters in front of them in 10 stages or 11 stages. So, you know, we've seen nothing. Like we've seen nothing right now in terms of accumulated difficulty. Hello and welcome to JB Squared. You're going to get a really fresh JB Hager and fresh Johan Bernil after the rest day today. So you got that going for you. We're going to look

at stage 10 sprint stage today in the Tour de France. But before we do that, I want to thank Ketone IQ for being a title sponsor of JB Squared. I'd really like to talk about rest day because to the, the casual fan, they think the rest day is just a treat. I mean, I think, I think a lot of people think they're just laying poolside at the hotel, hanging with their families, something like that. It's, it's a work day too. And it's, it's, it's very challenging. Yeah, it is. It's and it's it's it's very challenging yeah it is it's it's very special a rest day um now as as i said in another podcast uh you know it was less of a factor especially because uh the tour de france was kind enough to put in a flat stage today which you know is is obviously a huge advantage um if it would have been tomorrow's stage, for example,

that would have been a whole different game. But yeah, on the rest day, you see different strategies, you know, when some people, I mean, I've checked out the Strava of some of the guys, you know, most of the riders have done what they call a coffee ride, like 30, 40, 50 kilometers, easy spin, you know, spend time with the family a bit.

Some riders do nothing, which is also, I mean, it's different. Um, I mean, you have to, you have to be quite sure of yourself if you, if you take that strategy. And then I just want to point out, you know, I mean, I remember back in the days, uh, my first, my, my first time I did a tour de France was 1990. No experience in the tour, no experience with rest days. And, you know, then what do you do? I mean, there was no scientific studies or anything. All right. So you basically listen to the older guys, right, who have done several tours and are leader.

Who was it who was advising you that year? Well, I mean, I was lucky enough. My team leader was Claude de Criculion. So he was, you know, he was a big champion. He was world, he was ex world champion. He had done top five in the tour. And so, you know, but he was a hard trainer. He was always super long training. So, you know, for him, he just needed to train hard on the rest day.

And I remember the first, the first year I said, well, I mean, you know, for him, he just needed to train hard on the rest day. Um, and, um, I remember the first, uh, the first year I said, well, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of fucked already. I'm not going three hours on the bike with you. Uh, so I did this, I did a small ride and man, did I, uh, regret that because, uh, you wish you had gone longer and harder. Well, I don't know how, I mean, it could have been also because I was already so tired that it would have been the same, you know, I don't know, but I do remember, I have flashbacks of that stage after the, after my first experience with the rest day, I was suffering so much.

Like, you know, it was like my body shut down and it couldn't get going again. And what was that? What was that stage like following the rest day too that it was it was it was a similar stage like tomorrow stage like in the massive central horrible horrible uh super hot you know up and down i remember just seeing the the peloton strung out and that was you know anyways long time ago uh There are some riders still today who fear rest days. I found this picture here of the Strava of Chris Harper,

who was a professional cyclist on Jake O'Lula in the tour. He did 136 kilometers yesterday on the rest day, more over four hour ride. So obviously this is a guy who fears the rest day, who thinks that his body needs to keep going. He's, he's kind of that type of rider, you know, a diesel who just,

you know, grinds away. And, and, uh, I mean, I was shocked to see, I mean,

that's a long time on the bike. If you have a rest day, uh, and especially if you have a flat stage like today, because we could clearly see that today was not a difficult stage on paper, but also during the stage, you know, they kind of took it relatively easy, the riders. But anyway, different approaches for the rest day.

And, you know, everybody knows what they have to do. But it's interesting to see that, know some riders do this some riders do this and then some riders do these very long rides i'm sure he's not the only one you know that i'm pretty sure he did the most kilometers but i would not be surprised to see that some riders did 70 80 kilometers wow it's just it's just hard to fath then, you know, so after the rest day today was very much, I don't know what term you would use, but it was a truce among pretty much everybody, uh, to, to cruise in and then let them sprint. It was, it was definitely one of the flattest stages, sprint stage, you know, it would be wasted energy to try to get away anyway but uh pace wise

like how did today compare to how fast they're usually going i know it's hard to compare your stages it was an easy stage you know less than a thousand meters anything less than a thousand meters in professional cycling is an easy stage um You know, if you look at the profile, really flat, almost guaranteed bunch sprint. So you could clearly see in the beginning, they went easy. There was, you know, at some point, they were actually riding two by two,

just, you know, cruising. Then a few riders went away, but it was more, I think it was more intended as a joke because there was three Belgian riders, actually two Lottos and an Intermarché. riders went away, but it was more, I think it was more intended as a joke because there was three Belgian riders, actually two Lotto's and an Intermarché. They went away. They, of course nobody reacted and you could see on the, you know, all of a sudden they say, Hey, what are we doing here? You know? And then they just waited for the peloton. Um, but still,

if you look at, uh, the, the final average speed, um, for example, Remco, even a pool strava shows that he did 43 kilometers average over 187 kilometers uh i mean that's not an easy pace that's that's about 27 miles an hour for those of you listening uh yeah that's moving along pretty good. Yeah. But still, you can see that in the peloton, for those professional cyclists of nowadays, that's easy. Yeah. They were just cruising really easy. Nobody was suffering. And so you can see also, I've checked some of the profiles, their energy expenditure.

It was easy. They didn't have a hard day. It was, you know, whatever was hard was probably more because of the stress now and then in the peloton, because there was a threatening crosswind at some points. But other than that, it was not a difficult stage. Plus, everyone's thinking about tomorrow, too. I mean, I even the the Strava of Matteo Jorgensen said you know like they put these you know either a title on their on their

you know stage sauce and then Matthew Matthew Jorgensen said uh man so that shows how easy it was well let's talk about that spread it was a win for uh jasper phillipson uh you could see and know the frustration that they've had at alpacin in the first week in the first in nine days um it just i think you even said something's a little off something's a little off yeah and and so if people didn't see the sprint stage as we we mentioned, it was very mellow all day. So we said, you know, when it's time to sprint, that the trains are going to happen. It's going to be exciting. But from 1K out, at least for me, I was like, you could see Vanderpool in there and you could see Philipson right on his wheel.

And I was like like that's your winner right there i just knew it was just and it was you know i mean he won by a bike length which doesn't happen much anymore yeah yeah um so anyway uh give us your thoughts on that and you know what a relief for alpison yeah i mean it was it was a textbook lead out, you know, uh, by, by the whole team. And then especially his last man, you know, Matthew van der Poel. Um, it was,

you know, uh, it was tailwind. So very fast, very fast. So usually when you get your guys up there and you have two guys who can really go super, super fast.

And they did, you know, they had Robert Hayes, uh, first. And then, uh, it was a track rider.

He can ride tremendously fast. And then of course, Matthew van der Poel, who, And they did. You know, they had Robert Geis first, and then he was a track rider. He can ride tremendously fast. And then, of course, Mathieu Van Der Poel, who can go faster than anybody. And they had this, you know, there was no other train that could actually come close. So, you know, Philipson, I think Philipson's biggest effort and his most difficult part was actually keeping the wheel of Van der Poel once he started. When Van der Poel started, you could see Philipson was like,

oh man, I have to give it all here to keep that wheel. But now this time, he definitely timed it right. For the first time, I think he starts his sprint himself without looking at anybody else, which is what he's good at. Right. So because in the other sprints, there was something he didn't even either didn't have the confidence or was doubting or was looking too much at the other riders. Also, mainly because the sprints were not that fast in the lead out and he didn't have his lead out guy so um now this time you know once he once he was going it was like he calculated the distance to the finish perfectly and nobody was able to come next to him so um that must be an unbelievable relief for him you know he was frustrated i've seen an interview of him before this stage and, uh,

you know, there's, you could sense the frustration, you know, like if you're desperately trying to chase that victory and especially, you know, he won four stages last year. And then for some reason, yeah, for some reason, you know, you've done all the same work. You have the same team, the team is in great shape and it doesn't work out you start to think you know okay what's not what's not going right here and so i that's why i think that today's stage and this win will be a moment of change for opposite and for philipson um also it's also that you know there's always a little notice when something big is coming also he he won the intermediate Sprint dominantly against which has not happened yet until now so that was kind of

the first indication that okay you know this is coming this is coming and uh you know I mean and then at the end if you have this lead out of mati van der Poel, who, first of all, can ride incredibly fast with a bicycle. But also, it seems like they have a great relationship. You know, they understand each other really well. And there's a friendship there. Because, you know, let's face it, you know, to have the world champion and arguably one of the top three, four, five best cyclists in the world leading you out uh sacrificing your his own chances i mean that's okay you better deliver that win right the pressure to deliver when yeah when that man in particular is leading you out i thought about that too yeah you know we saw uh last week you know philipson slamming his handlebars and

then i'm not surprised you know he's a competitive sprinter he's he's got the talent and that's exactly what i thought evan i was like ah vanderpool is leading you out you just yeah you got to do it yeah absolutely absolutely but but also credit to vander Poel. You know, he's done it now already many times. I mean, let's not forget, you know, Milan-San Remo. Van der Poel helps Philipsen win Milan-San Remo. Of course, Philipsen had to be there, which is already a huge accomplishment for a sprinter to make that selection over the Poggio. But as soon as they got over the Poggio, Van der Poel,

instead of, you know, risking doing an incredible downhill to try to get away, he waited. And they bet everything on Philipsen and he won Milan-San Remo like that. So it's a great partnership. You know, I mean, it's like, I mean, that team is basically built on those two big champions,

on Van der Poel and Philipsen. You know, they also both have recently renewed until 2028 with the team. So they are the soul of this team. It's funny too, because they're Belgian and Dutch, right? Yeah. So that's normally more of a rivalry, isn't it? Well, yeah, but not these guys now. Not these guys.

Plus Van der Poel, he's born in Belgium. He lives in Belgium. He's been raised in Belgium. Yeah, that not these guys, no. Not these guys. Plus, Van der Poel, listen, Van der Poel, he's born in Belgium. He lives in Belgium. He's been raised in Belgium. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. So, no. I mean, they're from the same generation. They're just young kids having fun.

Yeah. We saw Guillaume get second again. He's keeping that points lead up. He's in the hunt all the time. I think we're going to – do you think he can keep green all the way to – I think so. Honestly, I think so, JB. I mean, I haven't looked at what the points are for a win and for second,

but he has a big lead. He almost had 100 points before today. Today, that's obviously with Philipson's win, both in the intermediate sprint and at the finish, that gap decreases a little bit, but it's going to be very difficult for anybody,

for Philipson to get to close that gap because even if Guillaume doesn't win, he gets second or third. And he's right there at the intermediates too. In my opinion, the only chance for Philipson to get closer and potentially getting green is if there's one stage where there's a sprint and he wins and Guilherme, for some reason,

gets boxed in and scores no points. You know, let's not forget, let's not forget, you know, the gap is actually really big because on that particular stage, Philipson got disqualified. I know I was thinking about that. If it comes down to had that relegation not happen and the points deduction, that's a shame. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is. that's a shame yeah yeah it is it is but hey it

is what it is so i think uh right now philipson is just going to focus on trying to win another stage or another other stages i think there's at least three more chances but you know uh the chances are you know also that from now on, certain stages that we think will be a sprint will actually be won by the breakaway. Because the peloton is getting tired. Certain teams are losing riders. There's some big teams that need to win also. Yeah. Well, that's always the case, right?

It's always the case. So the potential chances for sprints will not necessarily be, you know, if, if we say, okay, there's four more, well, that's not going to be, there's not going to be four more sprints. Two of them will be breakaways. Yeah. Cause you identified all those potential sprint stages for us at the beginning. And there were quite a few. And let's not forget that Girmay, in the shape he is right now, is able to go in breakaways.

Philipson probably also, but I think Guilherme overall is probably in a little bit better shape than Philipson whenever it's more difficult terrain. Another thing of interest is, you know, and he's still so young. How many yellow jerseys Pogacar has accumulated in his career? Yeah. Today is his 29th yellow jersey in his career.

Pretty incredible. Pretty incredible. Yeah. I mean, he looks good in yellow. I mean, what can you say? You know, and he has it and he's going to fight for it until he dies to keep it. So we'll see. We'll see. We'll see what happens. But yeah, I mean, I think before, I mean, two days ago they were they were equal um Jonas ringergard and and they both had 27 so yesterday was 28 for pogacha and today's 29 so that's that's another battle that's going on that's an interesting stat I don't think we've ever talked about most yellow jerseys we obviously the big storyline is most Tour de France wins yeah yeah but days in yellow do you know the record offhand i don't know the record but i'm pretty sure it's eddie marks yeah yeah i mean he's i mean one year he's

worn yellow from start to finish so that's 21 already on its own right yeah yeah i'll i'll do some digging on that but yeah it's probably mercs but i wonder what that number is if you look i mean it's it's it's uh so it's 40 it's 46 yellow jerseys in between two riders in the last four years gosh that's crazy and you know what we we touched on it a little bit and i want to touch on it before we talk about it tomorrow today on the move it came up there's a little bit of uh poking in the media amongst the top gc guys which we have not seen so we you know we've got four grand tour tour de france wins between pogacar and vingo and they've always been buddies like yeah we've never but extremely respectful towards respectful yeah that's probably you know they they congratulate each other buddies you can clearly see that buddy the buddies is for example i mean remco and today are very friendly with each other you know when you see

them you know cooling down uh they're you know they're always joking with each other telling little things of course Jonas is not cooling down there because he's at the bus he has no jersey so you can't see right but but it doesn't seem to me like I mean Jonas is more an introvert those two guys are extroverts you know so it's completely different personality yeah yeah Jonas could probably come across uh I can relate to that I just grew up extremely introverted and people think you're pissed off. You don't like them. You know, I really had to work hard to overcome that. But but people definitely perceive you as angry, closed off. And you get some of that with Jonas. But they a little, they had a little bit of sparring in the media. And I,

we've seen, we've seen Pogacar was frustrated after the gravel stage, you know, said that they're only looking at his wheel. And that's true. I mean, it's true. I mean, you know, they are only watching his wheel. They don't care about anybody, anything else. The team and Jonas. And I completely understand why, you know, I mean, they know that

there's, you know, he's the biggest rival. At the moment, they're in a situation that, you know, they're trying to follow him. And they know that at every corner when today sees the opportunity he's going to try to attack so why would you not try to follow that wheel and why would you collaborate if you know that the only goal of talebo gacha is to drop

you on a finger guard i mean it's you know it logical. So, I mean, at the same time as a cyclist, um, being in that situation, it, it's extremely frustrating, you know, because you know, that you can't do nothing like that. I mean, I said it in an earlier, like, I think in the second stage, I said, you know, like Jonas was like a fly on shit. It's still the same, right. It's still the same fly. It's still the same shit. you know, like Jonas was like a fly on shit. It's still the same, right? It's still the same fly. It's still the same shit. You know, they're still there. It's, I mean, it's a strategy.

I mean, I'm sorry if you don't like it. It's, it's a very solid strategy. Why waste any energy just to be, you know, just to show everyone that you can attack. It doesn't matter. Yeah. So we had that, you know, so, so today was, was voicing his, his frustration. And then on top of that, you have, you know, like Remco, who's, who's even more vocal and is not shy of making strong statements.

And he took it as one level up to saying, yeah, you need balls to write like this. And maybe Jonas didn't have the balls today. So obviously that's, I mean, that's quite the statement. Is that what he said? That was the quote. He didn't have the balls today so obviously that's i mean that's quite the statement is that what he said that was the quote he didn't have the oh yeah yeah literally literally literally he said it he said today and i we like to race hard and from far away it takes balls to ride like that and probably maybe you're not didn't have the balls to do that today oh oh shots fired shots fired you know i'd like i like uh pitcock is very colorful too and some of his post race yes he is he is but you know i mean

pitcock is in a different situation now you know he's not in the situation that he can make uh those kind of statements because he's i mean if if pitcock wins the stage trust me we're gonna get a great statement afterwards. I know. He's going to get on his, okay, I'm here. I'm one and this and that. And speaking of great statements, if you have not been listening to the move, you're missing out from the last stage. And today, Sir Bradley Wiggins has joined the show again.

You never know what that man's going say and it is so entertaining it is so damn entertaining uh and i did see a lot of youtube comments after the last show with him they were like wait you had on sir bradley wiggins what and you didn't talk to him or interview him and all he's not going to be on all week we've got lots of time lots of stories are going to come up so patience yeah we're going to be on all week. We've got lots of time, lots of stories are going to come up. So patience. Yeah. We're going to get, it's great. It's great to have him, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm so happy that that worked out and that he got over to Colorado and, uh, that, um, yeah, that he's for the whole week, the special guest on the move. I think, uh, I think, you know, and, and, and, you know, first of all, he's a, he's a Tour de France winner. Uh, you know and and you know first of all he's a tour de france winner uh you know his his achievements on the bike are amazing but he is so knowledgeable about cycling in detail um you know

i i i got to experience that two years ago when he was on the move, Mallorca. And I found my match. He knew things that I didn't know. But then I also knew a few things that he didn't know. So we're kind of equal now. But it's great to have him on. Yeah, he's brought a new kind of energy to the team. That's for sure. We're having a lot of fun.

I think we're going to try to go to the rodeo tomorrow night. Oh, wow. Okay. With his wow. Okay. With his new cowboy hat. All right. Now let's talk about tomorrow's stage. This is a very important stage. Yeah. And you've got some interesting stats about how much work they've done so far and miles they've covered or kilometers they've covered. Share that with us and then let's go deep on why this stage is so important tomorrow yeah it's it's i mean it's it is it is a very hard stage first of all very long i mean considering nowadays distance is 211 kilometers it's a long stage um initially if you look at the profile

you could say ah you know okay for fourth third category, then a couple of second categories, one first category climb, but short five kilometers. But then I looked at the total elevation of the stage, and it's 4,350 meters. I mean, this equals a real mountain stage. So there's no real big mountains in that stage. So you can only imagine there's no flat tomorrow. It's up and down, and only imagine it's going to, there's no flat tomorrow. It's up and down and whatever you see in front of you,

it's like this. It's always, it's like, Oh shit. Well, another one and another one. It's, it's,

it's, I mean, and on those roads, I mean, every professional cyclist who has either ridden the tour de France or who has, you know, raced in that area is this is,

you know, this is not nice um it's not nice the roads did you say you were you were getting a little PTSD just thinking about those those stages are the worst you know I I have memories of having suffered like a dog there in that area and uh and I'm pretty sure everybody has it's just that part of france and if i mean and the speeds are you know um tomorrow on top of that there's there's two potential scenarios you know i mean this is this is an ideal uh stage for breakaway a strong breakaway because you know at this point you know from this point on in the second part of the tour, there's going to be this, there's 20 or 25 riders who are physically good enough still to be able to go in breakaways and actually stay in the breakaway.

I mean, go in a breakaway is one thing, stay there and make it to the finishes and other things. So if you look at the profile of tomorrow's stage, it's, you know, like until, until half the first,

the first 75, 80 K is it's hard, but that's going to be incredibly fast, incredibly fast. Probably a big group will go. And then it's a matter of, okay, which team can control. Obviously, UAE is in charge. But hopefully, there's nobody in there that's close enough to make it hard on the, on, on the defending the yellow Jersey. Um, I suspect they will, they will let a group go with somebody in there like a 15, 10 minutes

probably. And then it's, you know, then you need to, as a team, you need to write hard because if there's 15 riders up front and they're rotating um if there's a guy at 15 minutes uh they have 10 minutes you know in a heartbeat um so um we'll see we'll see but it's it's it's an important stage probably you know we're not going to see any we're going to see attacks between the gc guys but probably no separation. It's not hard enough. You know, and I think it would be... You just described 4,300 meters.

That's not hard enough. It's not hard enough to make a separation between the big four. You know, like if you look at today and Remco and Jonas and Primoz, I don't see anybody in trouble there. But it adds up. It's more fatigue, accumulated fatigue. And speaking of accumulated fatigue, I mean, I found this information. And this shows you what we still have in front of us.

We have 10 stages done now, so we're halfway. In terms of distance, they've covered more than 50% of the Tour de France, of the total Tour de France distance, they've covered more than 50%. Yet in terms of elevation, they only covered one third. We still have two thirds of the total de france elevation in front of us you know this if you look at the total elevation it's 52 000 meters what's that in feet hang on 52 000 meters uh or 50 so only 52 000. that's how many they've done so wow no. 52,000 is the total elevation of the tour. Okay. Okay. So, so they've only done 18,000 right now. So that's only a third. And so they still have,

I mean, yeah, they still have 34,000 meters in front of them in, in, you know, in 10 stages, in 10 stages or 11 stages. So, you know, we've seen nothing, like we've seen nothing right now in terms of accumulated difficulty. This is, with that being said, this makes it more interesting if Jonas is really gaining strength. Yeah. Well, that's the other question, right? JB, that everybody's debating on and making

assumptions. What I see from Visma and their interviews and the way they know, the way they, they, they, they talk and, and they do have a lot of belief that Jonas will get better. Um, getting better in, in, in a ground tour is, is a big word. You know what I mean? It's also, it's also possible you stay the same and the, and the others get more tired, you know, and that, that translates in seeming that you get better um what i think is uh you know obviously right now um jonas is trying to follow today right he's succeeded on stage two on a on a one and a half kilometer two kilometer climb. He's lost time on the Galibier, on an attack of one kilometer, less than one kilometer. And he's lost time in the time trial.

You know, going from that to trying to follow, losing a bit of time, to staying comfortably with Tadej is one step, right? That's a step that I think he can get to now. Going from there to dropping him, that's a huge step. Right. And I don't know if that's a realistic expectation. I know.

That sounds like, you know, that extra one or 2% that you always talk about. That's it. That's it yeah that makes having in mind also for example that you know if if and that's why i said you know at the beginning of of the tour i said pogacar's biggest enemy his biggest rival is called palipogacar it's himself Like right now, if I analyze the situation, he's 115 ahead of his biggest rival. Let's say, okay, Remco's there. He's at 33 seconds. Let's not forget about him. But

until now, Remco has never shown that he can be at the level of Sade and Jonas in the high mountains in the third week of a Grand Tour. So let's say, to make it simple, it's Pogacar versus Vingegaard, right? Right now he has 1.15. There's a lot of stages where they could, in theory, come together, get together. And the bonus seconds will always be in the favor of pogachar because he's

faster so you know it could be that at some point you know you there's a pogacha can build up a little difference of another 20 seconds because of bonuses and then it comes down to the last time trial uh so that could be i mean that would be the ideal scenario for us actually that's what everyone's hoping for that right because everyone thinks about 1986 and all that drama um hey why don't you give a sort of your uh midway evaluation of the the the top gc guys in their teams and performance yeah um because we found out today that that that Primo's lost Blasov. That's a big hit. Yeah, it is. It is. Uh, I mean, first of all, incredible actually to see that loss of, I mean, he crashed really hard. We saw the pictures of his broken bike, got back on a

spare bike, finished the stage. And then they find out that his ankle is broken. I mean, that's like, wow, how can you do that? You know what I mean? How much can you suffer and how, and it also shows JB how important the tour de France is. This happens in any other race. Yeah. You go home. There's no way he goes to the finish. It's the tour. You want to go to the finish and look at the damage. Once you have crossed the finish line. You, you, yeah, you work hard all year with the, you know, you're going to be going to the tour. That at the damage once you have crossed the finish line you you yeah you work hard

all year that with the if you know you're going to be going to the tour that's all you're thinking about all year right and actually vlasov you know he was he was great in the dauphiné in my opinion when he did he did an amazing job for uh primos rogelich in the dauphiné um primos wins the dauphiné thanks to lassoff he was I think in my opinion on the same level except in the time trial so I think he could have been also up front in the GC

you know in the third week anyways Red Bull I have to get used to calling the team Red Bull Red Bull, I mean, I have to get used to calling the team Red Bull Bora. Red Bull Bora loses a very important rider. At the same time, it's not dramatic because Roglic is not in a position that he needs to control the race or even set tempo

on any of the climbs. He just needs to control the race or even set tempo on any of the clients he just needs to try to follow as long as he can the these big guys and then you know whenever whenever he can't follow just limit the damage in that case then Vlasov could could have come in handy but um it's not um I mean Primoz you know in in the situation he's right now he even if he doesn't have lassoff it won't change his potential good result in the end because if he has the legs and he can follow them as long as possible he will get a good result um so i think you know it's it's obviously you know a bummer to lose a guy like that, but things like that happen in the Tour de France. And your thoughts on the other top guys, Pogacar, Remco, Jonas?

Obviously, Remco is a bit in the same situation as Primoz. He has a good team around him. He has a really good team to keep him safe on the flats. And then he has Mikel Landa and uh Ilan van Wilder uh for the mountains especially Mikel Landa was was really really good on the Galibier um the guy with a lot of experience both on and off the bike so very very good uh to have him next to Remco so I'm not really worried there because also because Remco doesn't need that much

horsepower regarding teammates in the mountains. He just needs to try to follow the guys. And you know, in case he's in trouble, then if Mikel Landa is there, well, great. Then we have Pogacar and Jonas, right? And Visma. There I would say Then we have Pogacar and Jonas, right? UAE and Wismar.

There, I would say definitely, and definitely in the mountains, advantage UAE compared to Wismar because we all know that Wismar lost a lot of riders in the lead-up. Until now, we've seen that the only guy who can be in the top 10 if there's a selection is Matteo Jorgensen. Maybe Wilko Kelderman at some point if he gets better. And we've seen that Wout van Aert is not at the same level as he used to be in the Tour de France. We all know the reason why um but but uh

what we have to have in mind is that the weight of the race is on uae tomorrow for example the breakable will go it's going to be all for uae all the work so that they'll be wearing themselves out because they have to take the responsibility of the race visma is in another situation they can sit back they don't have to chase anything now um so um i would say you know it's it's kind of it's kind of evened out you know uh if obviously if you have the yellow jersey in like in the case of pogacar that comes with a huge responsibility and in the last week you that. Now, they also have a very well-balanced team. You know, they have three guys for the mountains,

which is, you know, Adam Yates, third of the Tour de France last year, Joao Almeida and Juan Ayuso. And then they have four riders. They have Paulit, they have Marc Soler, they have Tim Wellens and Sivakov. I mean, four big engines, right? Who can do a big job and control a breakaway. So,

it's going to be interesting to see right now. I mean, it looks like these four. And then we have Carlos Rodriguez and we have some other guys that are like there, you know, just behind that third, fourth spot. And they may come into the game because you know a rider like carlos rodriguez especially carlos rodriguez is a guy that

usually gets better and is a specialist for the high mountain so um you know but it's it's nice to see that initially we talked about the big four and the big four are there they're one two three and four right can you imagine if a world where any us goes home empty handed from the tour to France? That's wild. It's possible. It's possible. I mean, it's come extremely, extremely competitive and it's, it's, you know, it's possible. You have to work. I mean, anything you want to accomplish in the tour, it's, it's, it's really, really super competitive. You have to work hard for it.

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Your answer will get you another submission into that drawing. One more question for you. We were just talking about UAE and Christina writes, Ayuso and Almeida of UAE are currently highly ranked in the overall gc is there a scenario where uae would send one of them into a breakaway or have them attack in the mountains as a decoy i can't imagine jonas and visma chasing but would remco or rogelich thanks long time listener never miss it christina good question good question and the answer is yes it's possible um i would have to think that that's why they want to keep uh ayuso and almeida up there otherwise it makes no sense i mean it's always handy to uh to have a spare guy

you know just in case things get out of control. So I could, you know, for example, it stays like tomorrow. Tomorrow, all of a sudden, big groups, it's completely out of control. Hey, Almeida and Ayuso just cover the moves. You know, it's okay for us. There's going to be hesitance in the breakaway because as soon as there's 10 riders and they riders and they see that almeida issues there that they say well we're not going anywhere so there's going to be hesitant there uh plus it puts the pressure on the other teams and i would i would expect that in that case um sudok quickstep and uh red bull and even visma work together to bring that breakaway or to bring it close

enough until either Ayuso or Almeida gets back to the peloton. Thanks again, Christina, for sending in your email and you can send any questions for Johan to themoveatwedo.team. And thanks again to Keytone IQ, our title sponsor for all of JB squared for this tour. 30% off your first subscription order plus a free six pack. If you use this link, Ketone, K-E-T-O-N-E, not a Y in there, ketone.com slash the move. Johan, thanks again for your expertise today. And we'll talk tomorrow after this rough rough looking stage for sure see you tomorrow