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Episode Date: February 21, 2025

Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin break down the early-season stage racing over the past few days, including the implications of Tadej Pogačar's dominance at the UAE Tour while his teammates João Almedia and Jan Christen dropped Jonas Vingegaard and Primož Roglič at the Volta ao Algarve and the all-out racing at the Ruta del Sol, before getting into why we are seeing so many race incidents and dangerous courses and how it could give a Saudi Arabia-backed One Cycling an opening to take control of the sport. Become a WEDŪ Member today to unlock premium content, including select brand discounts (along with a free pass to Spencer's BTP Newsletter) and special Q&A access with THEMOVE hosts (link: https://access.wedu.team/).  OneSkin: OneSkin is the world's first skin longevity company, keeping your skin looking and acting younger for longer. Get started today with 15% off using code THEMOVE at https://oneskin.co

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and this podcast studio so i've got to make sure I take care of my skin through this trying time of the year. But Johan, have you been keeping up on this racing? We have three races going on three stage races, UAE tour. That's a world tour race. So there's some big names there. And Tati Pagaccio, one of them. Ruta del Sol, which is called Vuelta Andalucía, but is also confusing because a lot of the signage at the races roots of del sol they got to tighten that branding no one knows what that race is and then volta algarve which has jonas vindigo and primus roglic so we really have three of the world's four top stage racers in action this week i'm going to run through just where we are in the gc some recent results and then we'll get your take on it johan. Bear with me, everyone. There's been a lot of racing.

At the UA tour, since we last spoke on Monday, there's been one, two, three, four stages. There was a time trial on stage two. Josh Tarling won. Stefan Bissinger was second. Tadej Pogacar, third, 18 seconds back. Potentially the worst course you could ever like draft up for him and he did pretty well it crushed every other GC contender stage three summit finish Pogacar wins was basically sitting zone two the whole way up and put down like a thousand plus watt sprint to win pretty impressive Oscar Onley second Felix golf third both these guys looked really good stage four

cross wins as you would expect in the desert, comes back together. Pagacar was in the front split every time it split. Jonathan Milan wins an unbelievably long, like flat. It was like maybe the longest, flattest, straightest finish I've ever seen in pro cycling. You couldn't come up with a better course from Milan. He wins over Tim Malir and Jasper Phillips. And that's like the sprinters world championships right there. Today, a UA tour, another sprint, more technical. Taddy Pagacar bridges up to the early break. jasper phillips and that's like the sprinters world championships right there today's a ua tour another sprint more technical tady pagacar bridges up to the early break i think just to

just to get a workout in he's got he's got spring classic classics coming up camp he's sitting on that peloton but timur layer wins a little bit more technical mateo malalucci from astana second we'll talk a little bit about astana Maluchelli and these they're everywhere they're like a swarm of bees Jonathan Milan third Volta Algarve stage one there's no results because the stage was canceled after the fact because they sent the peloton the wrong way we'll talk about that a little bit more in depth stage two Jan Christian wins it was a really tough uphill finish really really good course actually fun racing Fun racing. His teammate, Jovalo Meda, exploded from, it was maybe 200 meters left,

and he just bridged out of the peloton up to his teammate. His teammate looked surprised and maybe not that pleased to see him. We'll talk about that, too. Stage three sprint finish today. Crash in the final kilometer, unfortunately, but Jordi Meos from Red Bull wins it pretty convincingly. Benjamin Grimae third, Arnold Dele convincingly, Benjamin Grimay third,

Arnold Dilley, sorry, Benjamin Grimay second, Arnold Dilley third. Andalusia slash Ruta del Sol. Stage one, Maxine Van Hills crushes everybody, like drops Tom Pidcock. Tim Wellens, Pavel Sivakov. I think Sivakov was up the road.

Wellens bridged up to him. They go to the line together. Van Hills wins. Sivakov finished seven seconds back, Wellens bridged up to him. They go to the line together. Van Hills wins. Sivakov finished seven seconds back, which at the time you're like, oh, well, Van Hills is going to win this GC. What does this matter? No, stage two rolls around.

Van Hills probably a little too active on the front. Pitcock takes advantage of that, attacks him about 43K from the finish line, rides a really impressive, rides away with a group on his wheel, including powerful civic off pickock wins a sprint civic off goes into the gc lead because heads up riding both those two days and am i missing any days i think there was a sprint finish today

christoph wins his some say his 97th victory in the pros. I've also seen somewhere it's his 99th. So I know that he wants to retire because it's his last year. He wants to retire with 100 victories at least. So he's good on the way. He's 37 years old. So good old Christoph still has it. Yeah, he's my age, which I told Lance the other day I was 37. He didn't believe me.

He thought I was like 50. Kristoff is the same way. I thought Kristoff was 50 years old too. So he's like, he suffers from the same ailment as I do. That's why we need one skin, Yoran. Get that one skin on us. But what have you, let's go back to UAE tour. Yeah.

I think Pogacar is going to win. First of all, yeah, for sure he's going to win, you know, because the hardest stage is on Sunday. That's the hardest climb. The first climb was hard, but not hard enough. Typically, it's a selection of like 10, 15 riders. The way he won that finish was impressive. You know, he got dropped off with like 200, 300 meters to go.

Then, you know, rode for 100 meters and then sprinted away from first position. Um, you know, I think, I think everybody understands that, uh, on the last day, it's going to be Pugacar. Uh, because the last, that, that climb is a lot harder and, and, and, you know, it's, it's normally, typically there's a lot more difference on that climb. No doubt, in my opinion, that Pogacar, barring accident or something else happening, wins Tour of UAE. I would say not even being, not even trying 100%. They do have a strong team. It's all, everything for Pogacar.

So, and I really can't see anybody else who can beat him. On top of that today, I think two of the top four guys crashed, Felix Gall and Pablo Castillo. I think they were third and fourth in the GC. They crashed with three and a half kilometers to go. They lost some time. So that's came over for them, for the GC. So, yeah, I mean, there's one thing I would like to point out, Spencer,

about the Tour of UAE. And, you know, we're always talking about organizers, UCI, riders, teams. I don't know if you noticed the time trial. The time trial won by Josh Starling with an impressive performance. 12 kilometer time trial. Two things I want to point out. First of all, I'm really

shocked to see the gears they're using nowadays. I mean, Josh Starling was... Make sure you're sitting down. 68 chainring ring that is unbelievable 68 i mean uh of course you know and then in the back there i mean it's all the purpose is to have a chain which is in line you know and probably on the middle on the middle of the cassette but still uh it's impressive um now um not if you notice the order of the time trial.

Usually, in any stage race, if it's not the first stage the time trial, the time trial is to be the reverse order of the GC. For some reason, they changed

the rules in the Tour of the UAE because the weather report said that there was going to be a lot, a lot, a lot more wind at the end than in the beginning. Meaning that, I mean, and it would basically make it, and we saw that, we saw that with the last guys, nobody even came close to a minute, a minute and a half. We make a big difference if the favorites, who by the way, were kind of forced to be in the front on stage one, because there was a slight uphill.

So they had to try to be in the front of the peloton in case there was gaps. They would have to go at the end and they would be in a disadvantage. So, you know, knowing that the organizers of UAE or, you know, went to RCS, which were the logistic partner, the actual organizers, the tour of Italy organizers. And then the UCI approved this change in the rules that it was only the last, the winner who was normally going to be a sprinter, Jonathan Milan. He had to start last because he had the leader's jersey. But then the teams were free to put their riders at any moment. So they had slots, right?

So if there's 20 teams or 18 teams, it's every 18 minutes, one rider. And that's why the big riders for the gc they went all at the beginning uh like all the favorites for the gc they went early uh and it turned out that it was the case that the last 30 40 riders nobody could even get close because the wind came up and so you know another another you know example that the organizations uh and the organizers and the UCI, they can change the rules, bend the rules whenever it's in their best interest. This was against the UCI rules. The way it's written in the rules, it's, you know, it's the, it's the,

there's only, I think there's only one exception that can be made. If, for example, if there's a time trial and you have teammates that if, if you look at the GC, they're out there behind each other, then the organizers can put somebody in between. Because otherwise, if it's teammates, like at this time, then a minute behind and two minutes behind three teammates, they could in theory say, okay, you know, I'm going to wait for you. I mean, you can draft, you know, or you can, you can see my, you can see the other rider as a, as a goal and, and, and, you know, draft a bit, right. Then the organizers are allowed to put a rider in between. But it's the first time that I see this. I would, you know,

I mean, probably they're going to come up with some kind of explanation that it's an unforeseen circuit, whatever, you know. But anyway, they broke the rules for the good of the race because they want that one of the top riders wins the race. I mean, ideally, for them,

it's important that Pogacar wins the race. But since Pogacar was kind of forced to be in front, at least in the top 10 in stage one, ideally for them it's it's important that pogacha wins the race but since pogacha was we're kind of forced to be in front at least in the top 10 in stage one he was going to ride at the end and so they just changed the rules um that's you know i just want to point that out that uh they can do whatever they want i thought that was weird i didn't quite i couldn't quite figure it out because yeah pogacha went early and it was almost raining by the end, which I assume is very rare, but so there's UCI rules. And then this might fall under something called the golden rule, which is whoever has the gold makes the rules. So I assume they wrote a check to make sure

it's a little, I actually kind of don't like it because then I'd assume there's someone that could have, like, let's say Matthew Riccatello. I don't know where he started in that TT, but I don't think he got the preferential treatment and it probably hurt him quite a bit. But what'd you think about, yeah, the leading out from the front on the uphill finish, pretty impressive. If you ever have to lead out your own sprint and you can still win means you're doing pretty well who do you think is going to get second and third at this race if you had to pick um well you know since gal and castillo are now i mean i didn't check the the gc now but um well i think one itself looks looks pretty good you know he won last year

so you know it's a matter of who can stay close to Pogacar until whenever he decides to take off and then who you know who can ride their own tempo you know normally I would have said he must have lost time in one of those

stages with the crosswind but Jay Vine looked pretty good you know have lost time in one of those stages with the crosswind, but Jay Vine looked pretty good. He lost time or he crashed or I don't know what happened. So he's sitting fifth overall, great time trial. He did like a Mondo lead out for Pagaccio. They were pretty shorthanded on that uphill finish, and then he sat up and got passed. But second place is Josh Charling, 21 seconds back.

Third is Ivan Romeo, Romeo. up and got passed but second place is josh charling 21 seconds back third is ivan romeo romeo just one of these people that movistar is plucked out of obscurity and it's like hey now this is like a star and he's leading our team pretty impressive they keep doing that even romeo yeah how old is this guy like 20 years old yeah he's 20 years old. He's world champion under 23 time travel. You know, he's good. He's really, really good. Really good. I mean, looking at – wait, this is not – the day was stage five, right?

Yeah. So, let's see. The GC right now, Tarling, Romeo, Finn Fisher Black. I think he's the main contender. And then, yeah, Ciccone. Ciccone looks good. 1.8.12. Oscar Onley looked good also.

He didn't do a great time trial, but he looked good on that uphill finish. So, anyway, I think it's a race for second, right? I mean, whoever can be second is the best of the rest. Because Boracar is going to take off, in my opinion. You know, you should stop doing those crazy things like today, going in a breakaway. It's just for a joke, but, you know, you do spend energy, you know? Do you think it's a joke or do you think he's training? No, it was a joke.

It was a joke. I mean, there's no way. There is no way to, you know, listen, I mean, at the end of the day, he's there. He has to win this race, right? That's like, okay, not winning is a disaster. It's a catastrophe. You're having to watch out there. And if he doesn't win.

Well, they haven't won the last two years. So I'm sure there's a little bit of pressure. Yeah. He's that much better than the rest so he should win but hey you know don't do don't do those those you know jokes because uh it can explode in your face you know i'm not expecting it to explode in his face because he's that strong but uh um it's amazing it's amazing to see how he writes you know it's he's so much better than the rest, even in the bunch. I've seen some footage from inside the bunch on my cameras.

Everybody's there fighting, stressed, suffering. He's just cruising. He's cruising and joking. He's really, really good. Stage four of the crosswinds, I think it was Sudol Quickstep trying to break it up, but it was too far out. It was like 60K out. Who's going to ride that whole way? And he was doing like 550, 600 watts, you know, at the front of that race, staying in there. So that is mind blowing to me that he's that small and then can push like spring classics contender numbers yeah

and then to give you an idea about how good he is josh charlene was race leader going into stage three gets dropped finishes 26 seconds back on that summit finish he did 500 watts for the last seven minutes so that's about 6.6 watts per kilo for seven minutes and it looks like he's standing still he doesn't look he's even going that fast so and i don't know if you've been looking at like some of these watts from milan like on stage one the guy did over a thousand watts for 45 seconds in the sprint it's unbelievable yeah yeah no it's it's crazy it's crazy uh i mean you know just darling did 500 watts i mean i don't know how much he weighs what do you think i mean like 70 74 kilos no no he weighs more than that he's you think i don't

know i picked him up at roller live i thought he was in the mid 70s i'm like i did not pick him up but he's he's quite slight it's funny because you think of like yeah big guy spencer all these guys you know like if you see them in normal clothes they all look tiny even tiny tiny no but i'm i i i mean i would like to check but i think he's closer to 80 than to 75 well maybe i mean that would explain why he's getting dropped too if he's 80 kilos doing 500 watts yeah that's more yeah um anyways you know he's tall and he's you know he's strong guy strong guy um but yeah i mean you know it's uh still it's bogacha you know and he's i don't even think he's 100 top shape yet um i mean he doesn't have to be with these kind of uh with this competition i mean not i mean not not disrespecting anybody but there's nobody nobody close to his level here in this race

yeah i mean i would hope he's not top shape that would be some mismanaged training probably if he came into this top shape i was surprised people on like the youtube comments on the highlights were like man clearly not as good as he was last year like washed up like what are you talking about he's easily winning this race and you would almost i mean the uphill finishes are good for him but like that time trial wasn't good for him yeah he was still dirt yeah like beaten by beaten by two, you know, ex-European champions. And, I mean, I don't know about Bissinger, but Tarling was, you know, third in the Olympics. I don't know if he was second or third in the –

no, no, the world championships didn't work – didn't go well for him, I think. But – I mean, he was the favorite for the opening time trial of the vuelta like hands down he didn't win it but the guy is like yeah he's a massive talent yeah yeah yeah since since a very young age by the way he's a time provost so you know getting that close to to charling was uh was pretty good some of the speeds to like coming in i think the stage four finish and it's like 80 they're going like 80 kilos and 80 kilometers an hour hour which is that's like sometimes and you know one two percent downhill and you know 56 58 chain rings you know it's

that's the way it is right now it's that are they dangerous the chain rings i was i was thinking about this how are you going to stop this spencer you know you can't you can't say that you you know you can't ride more than this i mean how are you going to do that they all roll out like juniors every race i mean professional riders you know you can't say hey yeah by way, you can't ride that fast. You have to ride slower. That's a difficult one, you know, a very difficult one. I do think, however, that there is something to it, to being dangerous and the high speeds in downhills, you know, because most of the guys can keep pedaling, you know. So they get over the over climb they keep pedaling

they're straight away super fast and then uh and then on on you know on false flat downhills it's crazy the speeds are crazy it's crazy i mean even in these crosswinds like there's there's crosswind sections on stage four where the front groups go in 75k hour. So if you want to try to bridge that, what are you going to do? 85 kilometers an hour? Like the bridge. And I think one, I think Merlier bridge,

but he just sprinted across. And yeah, I have a few seconds to do it. Yep. Almost made it. And then finally didn't make it. I mean, it's impossible.

It's impossible. It's yeah. It's, it's kind of a boring race. I kind of liked it. It's like laboratory racing. You know, it's like these perfectly like no variable roads and it's like this is what happens in crosswinds this is what a straight sprint looks like this is uh summit finish with absolutely no kilojoules in the leg before legs beforehand so they have stage six on

on saturday and then stage seven, the uphill finish. That's Jebel Hafid. Jebel Jais is usually the climb. That's a long climb. It's steeper at the end, but not steep enough to make a big difference. Jebel Hafid, that's a proper climb. There's going to be differences there. Let's take a quick break here from our sponsors.

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So, Johan, I want to talk about Ruta del Sol, Vuelta Andalucía, whatever you want to call it. If you remember last year, I was thinking... I always call it Ruta del Sol. It's been Ruta del Sol forever. Like when I was a young kid, it was Ruta del Sol. Since then, they've called it Vuelta Andalucía, Ruta del Sol. But any male and anybody who's been in cycling for a long time, it's Ruta del Sol. Do you think they get paid to do that?

Like why change the name? Is that a deal with? Well, I guess I think they started calling it Vuelta Andalucía because the region Andalucía is paying a lot. Yeah. To get the race. So that's why they call it Vuelta Andalucía Ruta del Sol. The region looks fantastic. Great time of year for it to be on TV.

If you're an American listener and you're wondering, what, where the heck are you guys watching these races? It's political at the moment, but Warner brother discoveries, max product in the U S has all three of these stage races this week. It's, it's fantastic. Cannot recommend it enough. Um, and you get other things on there too. It's not just cycling, but that no free ads, but I'm watching these on max, but Johan roots at El Sol. I'm not sure there's a Peloton in this race. I've watched pretty much every minute of televised coverage of it. I've, it looks fake. There's like six riders.

As soon as you turn it on, it's breaking up so early today. It was a sprint finish. It was still kind of a small sprint finish though. Like this is hard racing. Well, yeah. I mean, first of all, first of all, Spencer, it's not a big Peloton, you know? Let's see how they're not. I guess you're right.

It's like one 14 starters. Yeah. So there's still, uh, there's still 105 riders in the race. Um, so it's not a big Peloton. Uh,

and also those roads, they're hard. I mean, even a flat stage, it's terrible there. I mean, it's all, it's even the stage that Pitcock won, you know, that was, I think there was two or three

categorized clients, but the amount of uncategorized clients that have stretches of 10, 15%, it's crazy. It's all the time up and down. It's very, very hard. It's hard riding. The road surface is not great. as soon as you take secondary roads as you can see it's narrow there's it's rough uh plus usually it's also hot uh and for this time of the year it's probably forever for anybody who hasn't been either in uh tour down under or oman or alula it's the first real heat, which also sometimes is a struggle for a lot of people. Although, you know, nowadays

they all do a lot of heat training, so they probably are used to it. But it's hard. It's rough terrain. And then on top of that, you have a few strong teams who really put the hurt on the peloton.

It's a race. As soon peloton. So, you know, it's a race. As soon as it's really, really hard, there's 25 candidates. So, do you know who the defending champion of this race is? I could not... I was thinking, man, I don't remember this race happening last year. It's Max and Van Hills.

And there was only one stage because there was a strike. Five kilometer long time stage because there was a strike of the farmers. And I do remember that the race in the other stages had to be canceled because the police was not available in front of the area because they were all focusing on the strike of the farmers. Yes. There's one stage, a five-kilometer uphill time trial. And I guess Van Gilds, and Ayuso was second, and Tim Wellens was third or something. Yeah, and we don't know what's going to happen here,

but stage one, if you have time, go back and watch stage one and two. Pretty interesting stages. But Van Gils was on fire. He got away with Wellens and Sivakov, and it looked like they were just like, we're going to do whatever we can to stay with you. They tried to attack through some roundabouts. Didn't really work, held onto him. And then stage two, pretty interesting.

Like after looking that strong and then pickup got worked over on stage one, just couldn't hold the wheel, got dropped, lost time, comes back. I think, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's going through his mind, but Van Hills was feeling himself maybe a little too much like 50 K out on the comes back i think i mean i don't know i don't know what's going through his mind but van hills was feeling himself maybe a little too much like 50k out on the front a lot on these roads that you're talking about up down always difficult and pickock attacks and drops him he didn't have a lot he didn't have any choice also because he was isolated you know he had no teammates left yeah

well my wife asked if he was racing this this if pickhawk was racing alone at this race because she's not seeing i mean i mean uh van gils van gils didn't have his left when he was when he was isolated so he had to start uh he had he had to start riding did a lot pitcock was you know collaborating quite a bit but then at you know the last uh kilometer last 500 meters actually of the last categorized climb pitcock just went with enric mass on the wheel and valgils couldn't couldn't hold the wheel and then in the downhill couldn't make it back when he was just right there like they kind of went over and it was flat it was like seven seconds seven seconds but he had the bad fortune of having i feel like the cathlon 82r it like, they're all over the place.

They had a rider up the road and that only person with Van Hills was a Cathlon rider. So he just was on his wheel. Yeah. Kind of had to sit up and wait for his team. Didn't have it. Once he couldn't make that bridge, he didn't really have a choice. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think there, I mean, Van Hills lost the race there. He was super strong on stage one. The stage that Pitcock won, he was strong also, but isolated, had to do too much work,

and finally had to surrender against, I have to say, a very strong Pavel Sivakov because Sivakov was already doing a lot of work on stage one for Tim Wellens, who was, I guess, faster than Sivakov. Still couldn't beat Van Gils. But yesterday, Sivakov was crazy strong. Crazy strong. He was basically dropping everybody. There was only two guys who could follow him. And then finally, Pitcock and Henrik Maas joined after the last climb. But Sivakov was basically racing for GC, driving that five-man breakaway and, I mean, well-deserved leader.

Yeah, the irony is like Pitcock, if you just were mildly paying attention, you'd be like, well, Pitcock's in the race lead, obviously. He was very active on stage one. One stage two, it's like, well, pick ox in the race lead. Obviously he was very active on stage one, one stage two. It's like, no, civic off is probably good. I mean,

he's got a decent lead 23 seconds on second 32 seconds on pick cock and third, no time trial, I believe. So yeah, they could be UAE could win all three stage races this week. Just before we move on to the last one, which I think is probably the most interesting one.

What happened to Enric Mas on stage one, Johan? You finished. Seven minutes down. Seven minutes down. And then was in the break, got caught, and then finished with the leaders on stage two. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, first race of the year.

I don't know what happened. You know, they all react differently to their first competition. So I don't know. It was, it was obviously, you know, I think, I guess,

I guess once, once Eric must saw that he was not in group one or group two, he probably sat up and didn't insist for the GC, right? I mean, seven, he's not seven minutes worse than these guys. Uh,

but, uh, and then said probably, okay, okay i'm gonna try for a stage win or something um but yesterday he looked okay he was he was he was in pretty good pretty good yeah it's like movistar another team having a surprisingly good recovery from you could say a tough offseason losing riders not signing big names but they've had a lot of people step up volta algarve. The one I've been wanting to talk about stage one, let's talk about stage one for a second. It's supposed to be a sprint finish.

I think that's going to be the joke of the season that this stage Spencer, I don't know what else can go worse to be, to be more of a joke than what happened in the final of stage one. Well, so to give people context, you should watch this if you haven't seen it. They're coming into the sprint. They go through a roundabout with, what would you say, like 500 meters to go maybe? And they go around the right side. Some of them do.

And I still don't fully understand what the plan was because there's one guy that's kind of pointing the other way, but it's open. There's two sides of the road that are both open. They just naturally stay on the right. Almost the entire peloton goes. It's where the crowd is supposed to be. Super dangerous. And there's a car park there. The police car has to move.

And they're going through full tilt because they think it's the sprint finish. Filippo Ganna is one of the only riders that goes on the correct side of the road, wins the race while riding parallel to the sprint finish, which is like getting more and more into crowded areas. And they see the finish line is on the other side. They probably realize, oh, no, this isn't the finish. Ganna wins. But unfortunately, it's revoked. Do you think Ganna should have been able to keep that win?

I think so. I think so. I think so too. I don't think they should have canceled the result because you know, they should have put everybody in the same time for sure. Right. So nobody, nobody loses their chances, but Ghana and 10 or 20 other riders took the wrong, the right side of the road. So the left side of the road, but you know, the correct side of the road. Um, so the left side of the road, but you know, the correct side of the road, I would say. Um, and they, they, I mean,

Ghana won the stage. The rest of the riders made a mistake. Um, you could argue, okay, you know, this is obviously an organizer's mistake. I would say, yes, it's true. This, this exit should have been closed off. You know, that it should not have been possible for any rider to go there. Because if you look at the images, there's a policeman, they're standing and he's waving, you know, kind of waving this, it's this way, but, but the whole peloton anyways. Well, and the moto goes through, which is like the deviation,

right? It's the deviation. It's a deviation, which is kind of far from the finish. But, you know, the irony is that, uh, well, first of all, the, the, the UCI and the commissars and the, and the organization says, okay, it's the writer's fault. Technically it is the writer's fault, right? Because if you look at the rules, the rules clearly say that the rider is supposed to know the course uh if it's not themselves it's the it's the you know now ironically uh it's the rider of lotto

uh who is the first guy who was leading out the league, who takes this wrong side of the road, and then the whole peloton follows. Now, the league gave an interview and said, and blames his teammate, his own teammate. You know, I mean, first, I don't think he knew when he gave the interview. I don't think he knew it was his teammate. He didn't probably see it. But he says, yeah, you know, this one guy takes their own side and the whole Peloton follows him being one of them, by the way.

The funny thing is that he, in that same interview, he says, well, yesterday we came to check out the finish, you know, and we knew it was on, it was to the, to the left. You know, it's, it's to prove that when the riders really, because sometimes they say, riders have to be more careful. They have to check if there's an obstacle or not.

You know, when you're full gas and when your heart rate is 180, 190, right, and you know you're there, I mean, you just go wherever there's a place. You know, in that case, it needs to be more guided. There should not have been this possibility to take this,

this right side of the road. Um, it should have been blocked off, uh, very simple, but even in the case of, of, of, of stage one, you know, Lotto and a lot of other teams, because they're for sure, they were all close by. They went to check out the course. Even the guys who are not going to check it now with all the technology, with Google Earth, with Veloviewer, they know in detail

what's going to happen. In the team buses, every team with a sprinter and a sprinter and a sprinter's train, they have it up there and on a big screen. This is the way we're going. We're kind of here. We've got a roundabout.

It's to the left. They all know. And still, they went the wrong way. So it was weird to see. Again, I think it should have been closed off and nobody should have had the option to go there because because you know there was just there should have been like a gradual because obviously they came from two times two lanes to one time two lanes right so but they should be gradual and that they should they shouldn't have

been the option to get on the right side of the roundabout should not have existed that would have been that would have solved the problem yeah it does show you that all this preparation can be completely useless because once the blood's flowing once you're in it you're just you're like you're not even thinking you're just following these printers i mean look your dma was the guy who won the stage today he was i think he was like the first of the peloton of on the right side of the road uh i mean i'm sure they have checked out the course they have in the meeting in the morning studied the course but yet one guy takes their own way and everybody just follows because there's no time to react you know you're with the adrenaline you're fighting with the knife between the feet so to speak uh and you just follow the wheel in front of you.

It's kind of a strange precedent because you're right. Technically, the riders just went off the road, off the course. Ghana wins. They strip the win, but what happens if someone's in a breakaway with 15K left and the breakaway goes off the road the wrong way? Do they nullify that now? I don't really the whole thing is kind of weird no consistency in in applying the rules it's a pure

interpretation in the moment i think the fact the fact that the the the victory was stripped off of ghana is is not right you know he did nothing wrong. He won the race. That's it. And circumstances are part of bike racing. Yeah, like, didn't, like, Marco Pantani won a Tour de France where half the peloton didn't finish and they didn't strip it. It's just that he won against the people that were there.

Yeah. Shockingly, and before we move on, are there more weird things happening or are we just seeing more of these races that aren't as buttoned up as like, let's say the Tour de France? Well, you know, we see, obviously we spoke about, we spoke about the Etoile de Bessèges, you know, where the car, then Speedbump in Tour de la Provence. Now, Algarve, today, even in today, I also saw in Tour of Ruta del Sol, it was a bunch sprint and also, you know, 200 meters before the finish on a straight. There was a real speed bump. Nothing happened, but because it's a small bunch and everybody is lined up already,

but you can't know that. I mean, it can be 10 wide, you know, you don't know. So I don't know. I don't know. I keep, I keep, uh, repeating. And I've actually seen, I don't know if they're listening to our podcast or not. I'm going to guess not, but I've seen comments, uh, identical to what I said, uh, in our former podcast that this safe arting has to be completely independent of everything. And I think John Degenkolb and another guy, I forgot who it

was now, have given an interview about that, that they want a really independent organization to check out, control and approve the courses. And I think that's what needs to happen. It needs to be completely independent of the UCI. Yeah. And it would, in some ways, I mean, my, my pushback is like, why would the UCI do this? It's a pain in their butt. No, one's going to care, but like it would have helped Algarve because they would have said, I don't know about this finish. Maybe let's,

let's retool this and they wouldn't have had the embarrassment they had. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to answer you, Spencer. I mean, you know how critical I am of the UCI. So I have to take the opportunity to say that. You say, why would the UCI want to do this? It's very simple. They want complete power.

They want to give nothing out of their hands. And anything that is not under their total control will not be approved as being valid. You know, what does that mean? Like, what if we, what if the move like launched a tour of Germany and we had $600 million in funding and it wasn't sanctioned by the UCI,

like what would be the downside of that? Here, I'm going to tell you exactly what's going to happen. You know, there's plenty of initiatives been like that in the past. It's still going on with OneCycling, for example. Anything that is not sanctioned by them, controlled by them, licensed by them and approved by them, they will say very simple, okay,

every rider who participates in that race cannot participate in our races. They're going to be fined, and then they're going to put pressure on their direct members, which are the national federation. They're going to say, these riders who participate there are not allowed to take part in the world championships, for example, because that's the race that they organize and they own. So it's going to be a whole list of pressure and blackmailing and bullying to make sure that nobody participates unless they get brought to the table and ultimately get total control of any other parallel event that's what's really the king on the chess board here is the tour de france because if you bought the tour and you could create your own racing series

who cares that you're not okay i can't go to the world championships like and you're paying people let's say pagacha gets 30 million euros a year to race in this new series and it includes the tour he's gonna do that he's not gonna do the uci's calendar but yeah well i mean i think it's gonna take some time ultimately i mean it's always been said in cycling in cycling it's not it's not possible it's not gonna happen you know it's always impossible until somebody makes it possible right so i think then that's why i think that in the long term, a project like OneCycling will succeed eventually, especially because it's Saudi money. And we all know how much money they have, unlimited amounts of money.

And also what they have is patience. They know that money ultimately, if you are there pushing with the money, ultimately somebody is going to bend over. And I think that one cycling is going to start at some point, initially as a subdivision with, you know, kind of the approval of the UCI. But ultimately, I think the Saudis are going to get to a point where they buy the Tour de France. That's going to happen. But it's in the next five or 10 years, but ultimately that's going to happen. It's probably not going to be the Saudis directly.

It's probably going to be a subdivision. It's going to have to, it's going to need to be a French company because the, you know, France is not going to want that a foreign owner is a proper, proper, like owner of the Tour de France, but probably the Saudis are going to, that a foreign owner is a proper proper like owner of the tour de france but probably the saudi is going to you know have a french company make a deal with them and have them buy it that's what i foresee will happen in the next five to ten years pretty interesting

prediction because if you've been paying attention to golf live is what i just described basically like the moves tour of germany but you're banned from all the uci races well just for us i mean for me let's say lance and i do it we don't care because we're already banned for life you're already banned but i wonder if the riders would mind but it is kind of an interesting thing to think about it because that was what live was like it was like a scene as a joke they paid people in spurning but if you've been paying close attention the saudis were just patient and now i don't know why i don't want to get too political here like their their person is now in charge of approving the deal like they're going to essentially buy the

pga tour but it's in a sort of convoluted way where they're merging with the PGA tour and giving them a cash injection. But they're going to have, I think the majority of board votes on the PGA. They're going to control the organization and they're going to get what they wanted. And it took, it took long and it took a long time and it took a lot of money. I mean, it didn't take that long, Spencer. I mean, four or five years. That's nothing.

But most organizations would not have the freedom to be like, we're going to burn a billion dollars. It's going to look bad. They can. Yeah. And they will. Yeah. I mean, I think Liv got clowned quite a lot, quite hard. But I think it's going to end up being quite uh a deft

investment and they're going to end up controlling what they wanted to control so if you think about live for example i mean i don't know i don't remember all the details now but didn't all the players who participated in that were were threatened to be to be you know not be able to participate in any other events they yes yes same thing yeah it was yeah it's very similar very similar yeah and they had to create new events that had no prestige and no one no one watched them and it still is going to work out which is impressive but so stage two algarve pretty so this is a summit finish and it has primimoz Roglic, Jonas Vindigo. You're thinking, well, I know how this is going to go.

Roglic is going to win. Jonas is second. No, that's not what happened. It was really undulating. It was not a straightforward summit finish. Very interesting to watch. Jonas was isolated quite early. Primoz was isolated.

Jan Christian attacks from UAE. If you don't, i think he's 20 years old he's like one of yeah they're like they just keep pumping out these crazy like stars that are 2021 and it looks like he's gonna win he's dropping lawrence de plus from eneos who was also up the road it looks like well you're gonna have the main contenders finish seven or so seconds back and we're gonna move on to the next few stages shawala made a flies out of this Peloton so fast. Like it almost looked fake, like CGI. That was really impressive because if you look at the time differences,

the last kilometer, you say, okay, nobody's coming back. It looks impossible. I think it was still about 15, 20 seconds. There,

Kristen is obviously a winner. When he attacked. You can see that was for the win. I think probably in the last 300 meters, Spencer, I think Almeida made up 100 meters in 300 meters time.

Yeah. Yeah, so he essentially rode 400 meters in the same time that his teammate rode 300 meters which is almost impossible he comes up to him so fast christian looked confused he's like what the heck's happening i think he thought that almeida was going to pass him and almeida could have passed him i was wondering like is he gonna push him like we gotta we gotta keep going man they're coming behind like i don't even know if that's legal to do. He let him win. I think Christian was thinking, hmm, it's kind of a bummer.

I was hoping to win this overall. No, no, no. Because Christian said before, you know, after he said that Almeida is the number one leader. Logical. You know, he's a really good writer. It's in Portugal. But Christian, today, I heard his interview after, after the stage. And that was a different interview. You know, he said that tomorrow, uh,

you know, probably going to keep the Jersey and then he's going to give it all in the time trial. You know, it's the last time, the last day is a time trial, right? Yeah. It's a hard time 17k undulating of course you know it's his it's easy you know it's his it's his right you know he's in the leader in the lead and individual time trial you know you would think you would think that uh made us a better time trialist than young kristen on top of that he's in portugal. Yesterday's performance at the end proves that he's in super good shape. So I think he's the favorite.

Although, you know, guys like Primoz and Jonas are not that far off, knowing that it's, you know, 20K, the last three kilometers uphill. We don't know. We don't know who's going to win. I'm still thinking Almeida is in the pole position to win. So he's four seconds back of his teammate. He's probably going to take those four seconds on him. De Plus is 13 seconds back on the lead.

I don't know about that. Morgado, 20 seconds back. Vindigo, 20 seconds back. That's a lot. That's a lot to make up and so that's 16 seconds on almeida uh yeah 16 seconds on almeida it's it's not a lot at the same time you know i mean hey if you if you honest does the time trial that he did in the tour two years ago it's game i know but he's on the picture you know yeah well you're gonna bring me to my last

it is so it's the last 2k of that tt is 9.3 so that's where the race is going to be decided whoever has the legs is going to win it it does like jonas is clearly not on tour level primos roglic in the past i'd say 2023 to 2019 probably would have blitzed this, won this. Yeah. Since he made the move, and I mean, he also has just gotten older. He's like 30. What is he? 35 years old now.

But he moved to Red Bull last year. Not been as strong, like in quotes in these early season races. I got 10th at Perry Neese last year. Clearly was fine. Went on to win the Vuelta volta we don't know what he would have done on the tour but he didn't finish because he crashed like just hasn't been as sharp in the early season races but if you look back to 2019 i mean he was maybe the strongest i've ever seen anyone in the early season one week races races he was unbeatable and then he wilted at the giro d'italia yeah the tail end

of it so it's possible that these guys have that there's some strategy they have i probably wouldn't read too much into it i don't i'm pretty down on almeida after the uh the most recent valencia yeah just that i feel like highlighted some problems that he's not really addressed but he's probably he could win this race and then everyone will be talking about, Oh man, what's, what's Almeida going to do? Is he going to win the tour?

Having said that, that was unbelievable yesterday. That was crazy in the last few hundred meters. And then Jordy Mayos wins the sprint finish today. Pretty technical. There's a big crash into a concrete wall. I mean, in a perfect world,

they'd put some pads on there. Binium, you're my second, Arnaud Delis, third. And Wout van Aert kind of looked like he was contesting it, but was pretty far back. Yeah. Finished seventh. Well, we'll see.

I mean, tomorrow actually is interesting. There's no more summit finishes. I feel like in the past, there was a second summit finish. In the past, there was two hard stages. Yesterday's stage like in the past there was a second. In the past there was two, two hard. Yeah. This yesterday's stage was the hardest one of the whole race. Tomorrow.

Normally it's bunch print and then it's all down to the time trial. So there, yeah, there's a climb. It's not really that big of a climb though. Like 20 kilometers from the finish line, probably, especially with the,

how good some of these sprinters are climbing at this race probably will be a bunch sprint but let's take a quick break johan and then let's talk about astana and then viviani signing for lotto well today there was also another race was a classic var tour de var johan in france and it was won by an astana rider i can't find his name at the moment yeah not not a prolific winner you'd say but it highlights they haven't this is their first race win of the year they haven't won a lot but they have scored a lot of points they're like forrest gump you look back through all this footage of the season so far and there's like four or five astana riders in every league group.

They're not even really trying to win a lot of races. They're sprinting for like third through sixth because they want to rack up points because they are, if we look at the relegation standings right now, this is the most up-to-date too. So this is even including their strong start to the season. Cofidis is the last place team with 19,215 points. Astana is the 21st place team with 15,600 points.

They'll have more because they just won today. It's not tallied yet, but that means they have a lot, like nearly 4,000 points to make up on Astana to get to 18, which is the last spot. Going to be difficult. But if we look at the rankings just from this year, the second, oh no, I've moved away from my rankings. I'll tell you just off the top of my mind.

But the second place team is Astana. First place is UAE. Third place, Movistar. Fourth place, Red Bull. So that's pretty impressive, especially since they've only won one race. It shows you how effective they are poaching these points without winning. Yeah. You can see all the races, Spencer, every single race, they have the opportunity.

They have two or three guys going for it. You know, winning is actually not the main goal. It's having three guys scoring as many points possible. You know, for the moment, they've made up, if they had 5,000 points, if they were 5,000 points behind Kofidis, who's their main rival, you know, for the relegation, they've made up 1,000 points already. So they have 4,000 points behind them now. They started off crazy strong in every single race. I don't think that they can keep that pace

and that finally they're not going to unless something really bad happens to Cofidis. But I think it's Astana and Arkea who are going to fall down to second division. And the Cofidis will remain in the first division. Obviously, they are trying everything they can. At the same time, they also know that if they are relegated, they want to make sure they're first or second of the pro team category. There they have rivals as Tudor, as Unilex, as Q36.5 with Pitcock now. So they want to be in the top two because the top two gives automatic entry. Even if you're not in the world tour,

you get automatic entry to all the grand tours and all the world tour races. So basically it's a cheaper way to be in the World Tour without being a World Tour team. I think that's really their main goal. Now, if the new sponsor is going to be happy

with that, I don't know. I've heard, and this is a rumor, it's not confirmed. So there was a lot of talks about XDS, what is it? XDS Carbon Factory or? Yeah, XDS Carbon Tech maybe. Yeah, Chinese carbon manufacturer coming on as the main sponsor

and actually trying to buy the license of Astana and becoming a Chinese team. If you look, that hasn't happened yet. It's still a Kazakh team. So the Kazakh owners of the license haven't sold the license yet to the Chinese. I think that's going to be in a second phase, depending on how hungry this Chinese new investor is. I think the fact that they started with Astana, they're probably going to stay with Astana. Now, I've also heard that the license has not been sold.

It's still a Kazakh team. I've also heard, and this is even more a rumor, not confirmed at all, but that the deal is only for one year for the moment, and that afterwards they would see or renegotiate whether they're in the world tour or not. So I don't know what Vinukurov has promised them that say, okay, we're going to be in the world tour. Don't worry about it.

Or, you know, I don't know what the deal is there, but it's for sure that they're trying everything they can to get every point. They're doing a good job for the moment, but I do think, however, that they cannot keep this pace through the whole season and that it's not going to be enough to be in the top 18 and be a World Tour team in 2026 and 2027 and 2028

because that's the whole thing right if you're world tour you have your license for three years guaranteed if you're relegated to the pro teams you need to fight every single year to be top two now if you have a good enough

team of course you would say okay it's doable but it's not a guarantee every year you have to prove yourself again. You need to be top two, you know, and then the competition of Tudor and, you know, X and Q36.5 is definitely tough. tactics that we're talking about where they stack i don't know the last half of the top 10 that becomes less effective as the season goes on it just becomes harder to do that um there's just not as many lower level races where you can rack up a bunch of points relative to the top level races and they probably don't have the top talent to like i was saying to you off mike johan they would to surpass us to pass kofidis who's having a good season by the way they're ninth in the world rankings currently yeah this year they would have to have roughly the same season points wise that Alpecin to Konak had last year which was they won multiple monuments

three monuments multiple tour stages that's if Kofidis had the same season they had last year and a bad season probably have a better season so yeah if if vinikurov told them that they're going to be in the world tour i think that i hope they didn't believe it because they have i'm sure they have calculators at xds headquarters and they could figure out that was going to be difficult but does this vinikurov own the team he doesn't own the team team. No, he's the manager. Anyways, the status of Vinokurov in Kazakhstan is untouchable. He's God. He's Olympic champion.

He was a great tackler, right? I mean, he won a lot of big races. And he is God there. Cannot do anything wrong. Whatever he has done wrong has been forgiven multiple times. I always say, I don't know how many, how many lives a cat has. Seven lives, a cat. Yeah. Nine lives, nine lives. Vinnie Kurov has more lives than a cat. Um, but you know,

he's there and, uh, I don't know if I think there, uh, I think they're holding on to this license so much. And Vinokrov is probably pushing towards that because listen, who wants the Chinese have ownership of the team, they're going to bring in their own people gradually. And, you know, sooner or later, Vinokrov is going to be out. That's, that's sure. You know, that's, that's the way it works so i think that's why he is you know kind of navigating a fine line he's doing a good job for the moment in protecting his own position i have to say

yeah it's really impressive i thought he was done like two years ago when the canadians coming in about 10 years ago i mean that's still unbelievable when that when you were running the team and i was like vinnie krav is never coming back and then he came back i mean but one thing that can and they are they probably they're doing a good job of getting points they have a good chance of finishing in the top two which is good because as you said you get auto invites to all these races but you you don't have to go so you can turn down invitations to preserve money and just the energy of your team. It's actually a pretty good place to be.

Israel Premier Tech has done a really good job. It's worked out well for them. Same thing with Lotto. It's worked out really well for them. But the thing that really insulates you from problems is money. Think about Ineos. They had a terrible season last year. The worst season ever

they still finished ahead of every pro team so as long as you're investing in the team which i assume xds is willing to do based on statements they probably could survive three years in the second division and never finish outside the top two that's not sure that's not sure uh again you know both we know that uh both especially those two teams you know and actually the three you know q36.5 two door and unix are three really ambitious and really ambitious projects and also with deep pockets also with a lot of money i want to see i want to see once they're not in the in the world tour anymore if xds is really gonna put all that money keep all putting all that money down well that is a problem i'm not sure yeah because that's how you get to a death spiral because you're not scoring points thus you're not getting invitations

and then you're there's a team you're not getting invitations and then you're there's a team i'm thinking of i don't want to say their name but this happened to a team recently and then they shut the team down because what's the point you're still spending quite a bit of money but you're not in any race that anyone cares about well i mean i i do think however that vinokurov is is in a good spot with the chinese because you know he's you know Chinese because he's still very active as an athlete. I think he's won the world championship striathlon in his age category a few years ago. So he's super, super

fit and he is very, very fond of his status of Olympic champion. He was when they were on Specialized, when they were on I would say they were they were on, I would say they went on really a right until last year or really, he made it a point that he always had to get a golden bike.

And then my information says that, uh, the XDS, they have produced a golden bike for him. So he's, he's still, he's still highly considered. If I want an Olympic gold medal, it's the first thing you would hear. I would talk about it nonstop. So I sympathize with that. That was an amazing win by the way. I like, we, we should ask Bradley about it, but the team GB was so confident. Like we're going to control this race. It's going to be a sprint.

No matter what. It's like, you guys only have, they only have like how many people on an olympic team five people like what was the plan that seemed a little overconfident wasn't that the olympics that uh well that was actually it was in london right yeah yeah in london wasn't that the olympics that uh we're on all of a sudden with two people looked on the right side on the wrong side of the road and... Seemed to forget where he was. Seemed to get lost in the West. He lost his,

he lost his control of the race, but his wallet was wide open. He might've been reaching back to like give his routing number to someone that he was in the breakaway with. We don't, this is a joke we don't know if this is true don't sue us for goberto please um and then one bit of news before we leave i thought this was interesting i didn't know this happened you had to tell me ellie viviani who

had not signed the contract was on indios last year they let it lapse you know he didn't it just expired he didn't sign with anyone signed by lotto right now what do you make of this um well you know it's first of all i think it's a cheap way to get a pedigree high pedigree rider um he can still win races probably not top races anymore uh But I think above all, I think he can be of high value in the sprint train for Arnold Lee. Whenever he's not sprinting for himself, he can probably teach the lead, calm him down,

give him good guidance in races and lead up to the sprint. And I think it's a cheap option to have a well- you know uh a well well recognized uh rider sprinter with a with a big palm rs yeah i i didn't i think i saw that like q36.5 was rumored to be signing him i didn't love that because if you sign him and you're like okay let's go score points we need points i don't know if that's going to be a great relationship but for what they need from them like lotto does kind of has a year off they don't have to score a lot of points because they're so far ahead they're going to get promoted

the pressure's not on well spencer yes and no let's not forget one thing you know it's not because you're in like that first year starts to count for the three years. Yeah. Because if like, like 2025, uh, you know, the points you score, uh, the, the, the licenses are going to be given, but you need, you know, it's going to again be, you know, the next three years. Wait, is that right? Wait, no, no, no. Sorry. Sorry. They do reset.

Yeah. They do reset. Yeah. reset yeah yeah you're you're right you're right yeah yeah mistake my mistake yeah but you're yeah you're if they weren't going to get promoted exactly yeah it wouldn't matter because yeah but they're so far ahead no they're getting promoted for sure yeah they're the gun the pressure's not really on them and yeah if they just want to develop to lee and they think he's a good lead out rider i like it yeah i'm sure they got a good deal by waiting news but uh you know if you look at it it's it's not it's not a bad idea well do you have anything else johan we have all these races we talked about are running saturday and sunday and then we'll be back on Monday to discuss this. We'll be back on Monday to talk about UAE Tour and a roundup of all these races.

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