THEMOVE - Paris-Roubaix 2026 Breakdown | THEMOVE

Episode Date: April 12, 2026

George Hincapie, Johan Bruyneel, and Spencer Martin break down a thrilling edition of Paris-Roubaix, which saw Wout van Aert defeat Tadej Pogačar in the Roubaix velodrome, as the sport's top one-day riders, Mathieu van der Poel and Mads Pedersen, furiously chased behind. They discuss the chaos of the day, why so many favorites suffered so many punctures, and what, if anything, Pogačar could have done to turn the tables on Van Aert. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Henson Shaving: Visit https://hensonshaving.com/themove or use code themove to receive 100 free blades with the purchase of a razor (over 2 years supply). Just make sure both products are in the cart for the code to take effect. Upwork: Visit https://Upwork.com right now and post your job for free. That is https://Upwork.com to connect with top talent ready to help your business grow. Cheers: Take Cheers Restore after your last drink or before going to bed and wake up feeling at least 50% better — or your money back. For a limited time our listeners are getting 20% off their entire order at https://CheersHealth.com/THEMOVE  #Cheers #ad Lagoon: Use code MOVE for 15% off at https://LagoonSleep.com/THEMOVE Square: Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at https://square.com/go/themove! #squarepod  

And, you know, I mean, if you see how emotionally he was. We, I've never seen what Bernard so emotional after this. This is, you know, this for several reasons. But, man, imagine what a weight of his shoulders to win finally, Pari Rouba. You know, there's only two races that Bernard lives for. It's Flanders and Rubet. You know, and to win it and against Pulacha, I mean, let's not forget. You know, if you look, if you look back now in the last two, three years,

There's only one rider who has been able to beat Bogacha Fair and Fair, and it's Walt Van Art. Everybody, welcome back to the move. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Bernille and Mr. Perry Rubei himself. George Hencappy was in the team car for the race. He's coming in live from his hotel in Brussels. But, wow, Van Art won the race.

Spoilers alert, if you haven't seen it. While Van Art won the race over Tade Pagata, Pagacha, a thrilling edition of the race with a chase group, including Matthew Vinterbo, who had a mechanical problem in the forest of Arnberg, 98K earlier, coming in 15 seconds behind. Jasper Stoeven winning out of that group, so polishing off the podium. Van Ark gets his first monument win since 2020,

first win at either Perry Rubet or Tour of Flanders, which Johan can tell us is hugely important for a Flemish rider. But George, I'll go to you first. What is your impression of this race? You were on the ground for the race. What is your first takeaway coming out of this peri ruby? these guys are crazy they're warriors i mean what a crazy race seeing it from this perspective um just so fast from the gun i know we're going to break down a lot of the things that happen

but like no breakaway um the amount of chaos that happens between riders between directors um between the director's cars it's just it's kind of funny i know johan was going to ask me about being in the car i might as well tell you i mean i told i looked back and I said to Dustin, who was in the back seat and Ty Magner, who were driving, I did 17 Tour de Francis. There's no way I'm going to do 17 in the car because it was so stressful and like so nerve-wracking. And I mean, obviously it was a crazy fun experience as well. But like, Johan, I don't know how you did for so many years because there's just so much going on. Yeah. I was going to ask you about your experience.

because I know as a cyclist, it's obviously a very crazy race, but now you see that there's a whole other race going on in the back. Yeah. And it's even more crazy. I mean, it's insane, right? I mean, that's insane. Even the little things, like, we're a car 25. So as you know, you probably never had that position.

But like, you know how important it is to just try to get closer to the riders. Or if a rider needs a bottle or a rider needs, has a mechanical. Like, the cars don't let you go through because they're like, I'm not letting you in front of me before. before the section. It doesn't matter who's up there. And then another rider gets mechanical, and you can't go nowhere.

You're just stuck until they fix the problem. It was just so much going on. And how close the riders get to the cars. I remember, I mean, some of the movies we did back in the day on where some riders are punching the car because of the stress going on. You see it's just like, you know,

at one point one rider, and it was kind of cool. He stopped and he's like waving to the cars as he was on decathlon. And nobody stopped. And we're like, you know, we're not fighting for the wind. So we're like, you good? He's like, please, do you have a six millimeter Allen key?

Like my wheel is losing fall off. So I'm like, give him a key. So our mechanic tastes like, give him a key. He's like, thank you so much. Like it's just in so many ways, there's so many different races going on within that race. Of course, the guys want to win the race. Some guys want a podium. Some guys, their dream is to get top.

Some guys, their dream is to make it to the velodrome no matter what. And you just see the passion and the pain. these riders are going through. And it's just, it's a completely different experience in the car, but super, super fulfilling to watch it from that perspective. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I mean, you know, if you look at, if you look at the race, I mean, George, you've seen it from, from firsthand, but, you know, Spencer and I were watching.

You know, no breakaway. That's, that's very rare. Okay. The wind was, I mean, contrary to the reports three, four days ago, it was tailwind, basically. But if you look, the first. 100 kilometers they did it in one hour and 50 minutes. And that's before they have to start the cobblestones. And then you know, as always, it was this usual, you know, battle to the first,

to the first section. And basically that's already half of the riders eliminated, right? They never come back. Well, as you know, Johan, like, you know, more than half the teams, their one goal is to make that breakaway. Yeah. And and that first 100k is not flat. It's rolling very, very hilly for the fact that they went 50 kilometers an hour over that. It was just, it was so, so fast. And there was so many attacks. And of course, our big goal was to make the breakaway. And our guys did a great job, you know, trying to make that breakway and be super aggressive

and going with everything that was sort of significant. But nobody even had the chance to get close to get away. Yeah. And you mentioned the chaos, the mechanicals. I would say the big, we'll talk about the win, BenArts win, but the big thing today that I noticed is every major favorite, it seemed, had a mechanical problem. Some of the multiple ones, like that it, Pagachar, was this,

am I just misremembering the race or was this a lot of flats from key riders? I think I have this in my notes here, and I want to ask George about it. You know, I mean, we all know, you know, equipment has improved, right? I mean, wheels are better, tires are much better, the wider tires. I think the minimum, everybody writes 32 millimeter tires. Bogacha was riding a 35 millimeter tire in the front and a 32 in the back. But, you know, I read 38. I read 38, too.

That was that? The word was 38. I don't think so. I don't think so. I heard it on TV, but I heard an interview of Bogotchar. And he said himself, 35 in the front, 32 in the back. But anyways, it's much different. I remember when you were racing, George, we had maximum.

I was tubular back then, 27 millimeters. I mean, usually for the classic, it was 25. And then for Pari Roubaix was 27. But, you know, aren't we, I mean, so many punctures today, aren't we seeing and hearing and reading from all these brands, you know, that, you know, they keep improving their tires constantly? I don't know exactly what it was. But, for example, Little Trek, I saw something about Little Trek.

They were using something special. And I think I saw somebody from the management say, you know, well, before the race, our riders will not have a puncture. That was not true. Don't say that. Apparently, they had two valves. As soon as they punctured, the other valve would blow up the tire. They had an inflatable inner tube, like a layer inside, a liner inside.

That won't prevent the puncture, but it can keep you going until you actually get to a point where you can get a wheel. But why do you think, George, I mean, I'm with you, Spencer. I think they punctured much more than, than, I mean, it was obviously more obvious because the four or the five big guys all had punctures, you know. But what's going on? Why is this happening, George? I mean, the only thing I can put it to is I think the speed is so much higher that

they're having a harder time to actually picking and choosing the lines. and you can test these tires all you want, but like going 50, over 50 kilometers an hour into some of these corners, and you're not, you can't see the stone, you can't pick and choose the stones, you can't actually pick and choose the lines. So they're hitting these stones

probably a lot more, with a lot more intensity than they do in testing. I mean, these guys, the average speed was 48.9 kilometers an hour. That's crazy. I just think it's just a matter of speed and not being able to choose the lines like you would in a training ride. Like, yeah, you can go really fast in the training ride,

but you're able to choose your lines a bit better in a training ride than when you're going full gas, 200 heart rate with guys trying to pass you on the right, left guys in front of you. So I think it's just a matter of the speed and, you know, not being able to react to those super big stones that pop up once in a while. What's the tire pressure that you, what tire pressure did you guys use today? I knew you were going to ask me that. It was like in a 3-7 range.

Yeah. Fundre Poole was riding 3.0 in the front and 3.3 in the back on 32-millimeter tires. Let's talk a bit about what, I mean, obviously you guys had to watch it on a TV screen in the car, but we could see it properly. I mean, I think that's, that was a game changer in the whole race. We saw Pogacar, puncture early, had to do a massive pursuit, which he did successfully. on a different bike he was on the shermano bike he was on a shermano bike

and you know what it was actually fit pretty impressively well Spencer I heard Spencer I heard but George I don't know if you know this so Shimano they actually go around with the favor

they ask for their measurements so that mic was actually specifically for Pogacar and on top of that they did the new neutral bikes on the Shimano cars they all have a dropper seat, dropper pole. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah. But you could see the handleboards was super wide. It's obviously not, you know, not an ideal bike. But he was on that for like 2K, I guess, 2, 3K. Then he got his other bike. But I think the game changer in the race was basically the mechanicals of underpool in Ironwork Forest, no? Well, before you...

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Johann, Johann mentioned the Vanderpull mechanical in the Arnberg, but just to set this up. So with 100, to give people context, UA is super aggressive on the front from like very early, 150K to go. I turn it on, they're ripping on the front. 119K to go. Pagotcha gets a flat,

pulls over, of his teammates pull over with him. I don't know if you guys noticed that. He gets the Shimano bike. There's no teammate to give him a bike. He chases hard. They keep Florian Vermishe in the front group. Some people online,

a little upset about that. I thought it was kind of clever, though. He catches back on right before, like 98K to go. He's back in the front group. Also, while this is happening, Alpison's pacing, and then Matthew Vanderpil attacks.

Why is a question for Johann that hopefully he will answer in a few minutes? But he attacks, dumps his team, and then creates a group that Pagotcha can ride into, gets a little draft, catches back on. Unfortunately for Pagachar, he catches back on right before the forest of Arnberg. Wow, Van Arnert, right there, that's our first clue. This might be, I was thinking this could be Benard today. He looks good. He's leading into the Arnberg forest.

Matthew Vanderpull is second wheel, I believe. And then Pagachar struggling a little bit, I thought, because they're going all out in the Arnberg forest and he just chased for 20K. Vanderpull pulls over flat tire likely, tries to get on his teammate. Yes for Phillipson's bike. Cannot ride it because their pedals are different. What the heck is going on there? Teabirds O'Grasses over. He's shoving grass into the tire trying to get Van Art moving doesn't work.

Johan, what happened here? Yeah. Well, I mean, I also found out that so apparently Philipson is the whole year already riding new prototype Shimano pedals, which apparently have different leads. You know, you could say, well, it's not smart, but, you know, I don't think it will ever be, there will ever be, especially with the amount of riders that are on opposite the, opposite Premier Tech, you know, normally, von der Poohue would never take Philipson's bike because that bike doesn't fit him. You know, I think the big mistake, the mistake was made there, and this is in a

panic situation. Vanderpul knew that Del Grosso was not far behind. He should have straight gotten on the Grosso's bike. The Grosso is only behind him because he dropped him, right? Yeah. That's also debatable. But you know, you know that from that moment on, what's von der Poole's goal?

He needs to get out of the Arringworth Forest as soon as possible on whatever bike it is. But, you know, Philipson's bike didn't work. Apparently was Philipson's decision to give him the bike. because he didn't feel great, he said, but he had also protected status within the team. But I think that, I don't know, I mean, those things normally, George, you know, we would usually talk about that before, right?

Okay, if something happens, just wait until this guy is there, he's not going to be far behind. Vanderpul should have known and knew probably, but couldn't think clearly that the Grosso could not be more than 30 seconds behind him, which was... Yeah, but I mean... I've flatted in the Arnberg forest, run flat myself.

And one, it's impossible. You can't ride it. You cannot ride it no matter what. Two, it's like, yeah, it's hard to make those decisions to know exactly where people are. And you're right, if Phillips and Tandon on the bike, he probably thought, let me just get out of his forest. But to see him decide 50 meters later, this is not working,

get off his bike, walk back to where he started. It's just like, we've never seen anything like that. Kind of a wild sight. He was there for minutes. Yeah, he lost two minutes. He lost two minutes. I mean, he punctured again afterwards, right? So he got on the, on the, on his bike with the Grosso's front wheel, which was also.

I don't know why the Grosso didn't just give him the bike. Or was he also on those prototype pedals? I don't know. I mean, if that's the case, then that's obviously a big mistake because, you know, you, well, we had, listen, George, you remember. We had this, this, this, this issue with Lance. Because Lance was riding different pedals. And we always had Chetchew riding the same pedals as Lance in case something happened. And usually Chachu was the guy who was almost sure going to be there in any situation, right?

Yeah. And being a team of that stature, being the past winner of the race, you'd think they would have had like the emergency plan in place. Like do not take this bike, grab a wheel. But again, it's the Aeronberg Forests is thousands of spectators inside the road. It's hard to make a rational decision at that point. I think, I think also, you know, it's also a situation that Mathieu van der Poul is not used to deal with. Because if I, I mean, I would have to look back.

But he never. I can't remember him flat, have it flat in any of the three last editions. Yeah. In any race? I mean, I was, I don't think I've ever, I've never seen him have a mechanical problem in a, except the flip in 2019 Flanders in an important point of any race, right? Yeah.

It probably speaks with bike handling, but yeah, it's fine. I mean, I was a friggin scrub. Like on these crappy teams I was on, we were not allowed to run different pedals than the teammates. I'm shocked that this happened. But if you say Lance was doing it, it must be, you know, it's a thing that happens at the top level. So, they get out of the Arnberg Forest. But did you see this

Johan Vanderpul gets on his bike with Dol Grasso's wheel and then has to pull over again it looked like there was something Oh, he had a flat. I thought Del Grasso gave him his wheel that was not flat. Yeah, and then he had another flat. He had another flat, okay.

In the Aramberg? In the Aramberg. The last 200 meters of the Aramberg. So he had, and then his, so he had to get off again and then he got, the team car was there, then he got a spare bike. Yeah. That's, that's insane.

I mean, the fact that he still was fighting for podium. That's crazy. It's just incredible. Yeah. It really is. And so my five-year-old son saying what Yohan was saying. He's like, just get out of the forest. Get out of the forest. What are you doing? So there's this elite front group exiting the forest, minutes in front of Vanderpull with Pagantjar about two minutes was two minutes at the exit of the forest. And we didn't see the, we really didn't really see any of the racing in the forest, unfortunately, because we just saw Vanderpull in the side of the road. And it's Laporte, the key, the key people are Laporte, teammate of Van Art.

in that group with Pagachar, with Mads Pedersen, and eventually they have Felipe Gana. So that's a strong group, but they don't have a lot of teammates left. So the pace is kind of stalling a little bit, and then there's a tax going on, Van Art, you know, it's thinning the group down as you want to minimize variables.

And Vanderpull's just on the front of this chase group, and he can't, no one can really help him because they all have, like Red Bulls got a situation up front. obviously little Trekis Pedersen up there UA is not going to help V's not going to help and he pulls for what

feels like 90 kilometers basically and gets within seconds so they're coming in to Spencer you left out Van Art also flatted right after the Irrmberg and he was 20 seconds behind on his own so Laporte's up there not really contributing to the

first the first group there I mean there was all kinds of things going on it Well, and then Van Arr... 30K section. I think Pagotcha flattered right before Van Arp flatted. Yes. Right?

It's like Pagot's second flat. He's chasing on Van Art flats. He's in chasing on, yeah, you're right. Laporte's up front not really being forced to do anything. Vin Art gets back on. There was a lot of flats now that we're talking about this. And then Van Ard starts to whittle it down. They end up dropping Matt's Pedersen.

Matt's Pettersen. Super analytical breakdown of that was, what do you think happened? They were stronger than me, which I think put it pretty well. And then, but I mean, by 44K to go, like exit of Manzo and Pavel, Venner pulls at 42 seconds, but it's kind of a fake 42 seconds because even if he catches them, he's been pulling the whole time. Like, what does he really have left to give?

Van Ars starts to play it super smart here. He's getting asked to pull through, but he knows Bagua. It's a trap because he's going to ask him to pull through, then attack him on the cobbles. Van Ars playing it very smart, knows he just has to hold his wheel. Fagotcher puts in some pretty good attacks. The Carfro de Labra almost crashes them out. Kind of an interesting move there. She's throwing the kitchen sink at Van Art.

I'll take us to the ground. We'll see what happens. But Van Art holds on. They get out of there. And the gap gets small. It's 15 seconds by the end, but it's enough. And then Van Art smokes them. I mean, it wasn't even close on the Belladrum.

You could see why Van Art felt confident that all he did get there. If you look, Spencer, if you look back now on the race, you know, Van Art, you know, they all had their fair share of punctures. I think in this case here, if you look at all the favorites, they had at least all minimum two punctures, some even three. In this race, it's just a matter of when do you have the puncture, right? I mean, when the second puncture of Pogacar was no big deal. He was back straight away.

The second puncture of an art was a bit bigger deal, but also he got back. but if you look from the moment in the Arlenberg Van Art was first guy so the strongest there by far and we don't know

because Van der Poole had a flat but then he is also the guy from that elite group who starts the attack was a really strong attack and it was it was Gajar and Pedersen

and Pedersen barely made it and then he got dropped straight away so I think you know, really well-deserved victory for Van Arte. I think the whole peloton is happy for Van Arte. Even his big rivals.

This came, you know, he gave a very emotional interview. I don't know if you saw it. I saw it in Flemish also. You know, he pointed at the sky. And this was for his teammate when the first time he did this race eight years ago, I think.

Was it eight years ago? Yeah. He was still, he was not on Visma yet. He was on this small Belgian team and he had a teammate die of a heart failure. Yes, I've forgotten about this. Michael Michael Gollards.

And he knows the family really well. He stayed in contact. He knows the family, you know, the parents, the wife, for the girlfriend. And this was, he said, you know, every time I come to Pariroube, I think about this. And this was, this was, you know, with him in mind.

So, and, you know, I mean, if you see how emotionally he was. I've never seen what Bernard so emotional after this. This is, you know, this for several reasons, but man, imagine what a weight of his shoulders to win finally, Paris Rouba. You know, there's only two races that Bernard lives for. It's Flanders and Rubet, you know, and to win it against Pugacca. I mean, let's not forget, you know, if you look back now in the last two, three years,

there's only one rider who has been able to beat. Bogacha fair and fair and it's Walt Garnart We could say okay Skilmosa beat him in Amsterdam gold race last year but but you know

one on one this is this is you know he's the only guy who put Pogacha in problems his last two wins against Pagotcher not only that but

tactically for for Vizma Liza Vaik he didn't have he had the best excuse in the world to not pull through at 100% He had Christopher Laporte right behind one of the best burners in the world. So tactically, they were in the best position. Like, they were in a dream scenario. Yeah.

And, yeah, even as they were coming onto the Belgium, like, we were not used to seeing Pagotra lose. So everybody's thinking, he's probably going to win this. But, I mean, in our, the guy who's gotten top four in the biggest race in the world consistently, always there. It was such a good thing for cycling, super exciting. to me it was just like a perfect, a perfect wind. And as a fan watching the race was as good as it gets. And I think, I think, you know, it was very obvious from, you know, seeing the way he could react to those accelerations of Pogacar.

You know, I know that last attack, it was, I don't remember which sector it was. He came back to Pogac. He had to stop pedaling. And he was so close to the wheel. Like, he was, he was in control. He was completely. Yeah. he was for a minute it almost looked like

pogatra was going to drop him but it looked like he was using his cycle cross ability to let a little gap go before the corner so he can take the corner exactly how he wanted without any risk and come back and without a big acceleration either you can tell he used that technique and it was just perfect and even pagetra said in the interview like he knew he couldn't drop him after that

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So Picotcha gets second. As you said, I thought he was going to win as well. And then the sprint starts like, oh, okay. Vinart's had this under control for a little while. here. What could like a why did he lose Johan and what could he have done differently from both of you to win this race?

Probably not flatting would be key right not much he couldn't have done much different you know in if you look at it in hindsight you know they were very aggressive on the first sectors basically he

he he blew up his I mean not blew up but he wasted all his guys there they wanted they want to be a hard race And then, of course, he had the flat. And then they were all of a sudden in a different position because the guys who have been pulling so hard were not there anymore to bring him back. I think that's obviously a key moment.

You know, the energy that Bogachar spent there, that pursuit of 20 kilometers to make it back. And then, you know, once you're back, no more teammates left. Florian Vermeer's was still there. But he also had a problem in Ardenberg Forest. So he was gone. And, you know, given what has happened in all the last races, everybody's just looking at him, it's all on him.

So there's not much he could have done differently, I think. Should they have done for Mishback? Let's not forget. He was on a different bike. I feel like it was more than two or three kilometers, Johan. I could be wrong. I know my coverage was in and out, but to me, it felt like almost 10 kilometers on a different bike. Well, you know, he didn't come back on the Shimano bike.

No, I know that. I know that. But like, so think about the stress. I wrote it down here. I think it was like four and a half kilometers. It was five kilometers. Five kilometers. Okay.

Yeah. Five kilometers in the middle of a hard section. At that point, I could attest I saw there was bodies everywhere. I mean, the group at that point was probably 10 minutes long or more. So imagine all the people he's got to go through groups, like big, big groups he had to go through, change bikes once again. He burnt a lot of matches there. Yeah, yeah. Should they have dropped Vermeche back to help him chase, Johan?

Was that a mistake? After the first flat. Yeah, the first flag. Because he chases a long time by himself. No, no, I don't think so. No. First of all, because you don't know if he's going to make it back. No, I think that was not a mistake.

He had his guys that he had Pollitt. He had Morgardo. he had Bjerk. I mean, they did a good job. And then he then he was basically,

there was other riders. There was a huge group. So, so yeah. I don't think. And this is Paris Rubei. After 180 kilometers after 200 kilometers, after 200,

it's not like your typical race where you can get guys, your teammates organized. Like at that point, after the air, like before the Arenberg, right after the Arenberg, like people are just on running on fumes.

So they probably just thought, Like, let's just keep him each there. Hopefully he can stay there as long as possible. It's not like it's fresh and I'm not going to wait for Pogachar and bring him back up. It doesn't work that way in Parasurbae, especially that far into the race. I think what happened. I mean, if you take out the mechanical, the first mechanical of Pogacar, I think their plan was just to, you know, make the race super, super hard.

And then Pogacha goes full gas in Hamburg. That was the plan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure, that was planned. And that's very, there's a lot easier said than done. I mean, to rally all your guys and that,

especially the way the race evolved in that first 100 kilometers where there's no breakaway. I mean, the fact that they were all there, all the, you know, Yohan, you know how hard that is to get those guys together. So yeah. But you're right. They use them up really early. You know, perhaps they could have relied on the master class of a positioner that Pugacher is to have them float that first part and then use them a bit more 150K in. and then perhaps would have been with him longer, but you know,

you can look back and say that. I would say that's the only difference I could have done is like they perhaps use their guys way too early. Yeah. What happened, well, I guess on that, watching it,

it did seem like by making the race so hard, first of all, that's just what they do every race and that seems to work pretty well for Baguachar. But it makes it easier. He can enter the cobblestone sectors in a better position because it's just so hard, there's so few people that can be up

there. But Johan, did you notice this? He's, he's riding in the group. He gets a flat. He pulls off. Did the team not know? Like, what happened with that? Why did no one? They just kept going. And then he's by himself. Listen, I mean, you ask, is there something he could have done differently? I mean, I don't understand why he stopped straight away. He just stopped. He didn't keep going because normally, usually after every sector, you have people standing there. So, or get a bike from a teammate. I mean, the thing is, I mean, the thing is, I mean,

The only guy I think he could get the bike from is maybe Morgado because, you know, Polit, forget it. Vermeers forget it. Who else is there? Bierke is also pretty tall. He's pretty tall. Yeah, that's the only thing is all those guys were super tall. I think Morgado is the guy and Morgado was dropped already. So, yeah.

And was it one of you guys that said this or somebody told me this yesterday a couple days ago that I think like 10 of the guys, 10 of the UAE guys were out with broken collar, bones, all kinds of injuries. So their team is not at their best in general. Their whole roster, a lot of their roster is injured or hurt or on the injured reserve list right now. So that perhaps could have affected the outcome as well. Yeah. Well, they still had a pretty strong theme.

Yeah. Yeah, of course. It's UAE. Yeah. But it's not, I guess, like, George's, if you think about the key classics people, they usually rely on, they don't really have them. And you could see like, Neil's Pollitt was yelling at people, like, hey, our guys off the back we got to stop and wait and physically having to scream at them yeah so yeah it wasn't maybe the

well-oiled machine that but the thing is also you know i mean and george you will you will testify to this there is no other race like pariubet where it's so much chaos everywhere and and so you know communication forget about it you know the cars are so far behind that you know the instructions don't come through um at that point i think the ua e car was probably out of So, you know, nobody could have told, you know, these guys, okay, Pogac, I mean, I don't, I found it really strange that Pogacar just stopped and it took such a long time for Bjork and Pollitt to come back. But, but I think the first, first of all, I don't understand why Pogacar just went to the site and didn't. Is that a little like lack of, I don't know, experience at Rubik? Normally, no.

I mean, normally as a teammate, you should always look, okay, if you don't see your leader, you know there's something going on. This is not, if he's not here, he has a problem. Yeah, no, for sure. A guy like that, I mean, if you see him, you have to stop and wait, especially if you have more than one guy. That's for sure. The guys want to hear. There's a crazy setup. So, Van Ar, wins.

We're talking about Teddy Pugatchez. The guy who didn't win a lot because he commands all of our attention. but Pagotra wins second monument first since 2020 this is crazy I don't look this up in the second moment webinar yeah yeah wellvinar wins second monument first since 2020 which was San Remo he's done 15 monuments since then he's not finished outside the top 10 a single time is that crazy and then 12 and then eight podiums in that time as well which is wild like wildly consistent so it's great that he finally gets a win here and then also this so Pagachar and Vanderpull used to be equal in one like they were winning moni like one would win a monument the other

would match them we're now a pagatra has won five major one day races since the last time van derpool won a monument which was last year at ruby if we count world championships and monuments what's the like i'm not saying van derpool's in trouble here but what's the forecast for for van derpool like wins his next it's it seems like the roads getting tougher for monumptuble wins. I don't know. I don't know about that. There's three monuments he can win the loss and Raymonders and Drewbeth. So we're going to have to wait until next year. He's not going to win Leash and he's not going to do Lombardy because he's not going to participate. Yeah. Yeah. But here's another. Here's another interesting fact, Spencer and George. So, you know,

we have Visma Lisa bike, which is, you know, a team like historically, all the former editions, you know, going back to Robobunk. And we had. Belkin and then Blanco and I don't know what else, Lotto Jumbo. And then before Rabobank, I think it was, was it. Skil, Skil, Shamano? No, no, no. No, no. That's, it was novel and word perfect.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. 41 years of existence of this team in different forms. First time they win Pari dube. Wow. First time. Yeah. That's huge.

That's huge. I heard a crazy stat that DeCathlons never won. a monument before or HG2R or whatever yeah yeah which is kind of crazy to think about it no um well so yeah van art wins that's big johan big season made probably right huge in belgium huge unfortunately i think this is what walt van art needs needed to you know get his confidence back in his belief in himself you know i think and he said it and he said it in and in the interview He said he doubted many, many times. I mean, this is not just one time coming back.

This guy came back 10 times already from whatever. You know, let's not forget, Walt Vonart has had some very serious career changing crashes and injuries. Yeah. And the fact that you even saw. Yeah. You even saw Vanderpull go up to him at the finish line. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like immediately. Congratulations. Yeah. Yeah. Which is cool. Yeah. And so I think, you know, obviously it's great for his. morale, his belief in himself.

I think we're going to see Walt Bernard again that we used to see, you know. And especially, I mean, okay, we're always talking about, you know, one-day races, but for some reason we always go to the Tour de France. I mean, man, with this in his back pocket now, what a teammate Jonas is going to have in the tour again, you know, with Walt Vonart, if he stays healthy. I agree. It was great. It was great for the sport.

Obviously, you don't want to see all these punctures and mechanicals happen. But the finish of today's race, you know, seeing another guy win a big monument, I thought it was incredible to watch, really good for the sport. And while Vinar, I mean, he's still there. He's always been so close, but to come away with Paris Rubei, like now any of these other fourth place, they don't matter anymore. I mean, he won Rubei. And here's another thing I saw George, I mean, and you know, you know, I mean, there's probably no other race that can, that you can get to the finish and I'll be after the fin to be so empty, like completely done.

You know, an interview, an interview today with Matthew von der Poul, it was funny. And, you know, he had to, it was in English. So, you know, you have to translate. He was so empty, basically. Yeah, yeah. They couldn't find the words. You know, like, he had to stop. He had to, he wanted.

to say something about what vonard that you went there walked away he could not say it it it did just didn't come out of his you know it was that's how empty pari ruby makes you know he was he was completely done done done and it's not only uh venerpool it's the guys finished 50th place too they're in the same mental state it is like they put everything on the line george to finish finish it off talk us a little bit about your guys what did they say how did they finish and what i mean you were on the bus now on the trip to after the rate to the hotel uh what was their experience well they we had five out of seven guys finish which is a huge deal for us i mean we i guess we we sort of proved that we deserved the invitation uh we were really aggressive at

the start trying to make that breakway unfortunately didn't happen we lost riley pickerel early on due to a crash and then a couple of mechanicals after that sean christian wasn't on a great day but all of our other guys, Cole Kessler, Ezra, Mark Stewart, Robin Carpenter, who just flew over from the U.S. They finished in a group behind with a decent group. And they were just, there was all kinds of emotions. I mean, the young guys were like, I love this, I want to come back, which for me made me really happy to hear because in a lot of ways,

Paris Rubé can define their career for the rest of their lives. And they finish today's race and they want to come back and they want to get better. So for me, particularly for the young guys, it was great to see them how they finished. Of course, a completely exhausted and in shock about how hard that race actually is. But that's not unexpected at all. And then we had Ben Oliver up there and like fighting for top 30 until the very end. And he did a great race. And I always have to remind every bit, it's Ben Oliver's fifth race ever in Europe.

I mean, he came, he was racing criteriums last year. So for him to be out there, battle out for top 30 in Paris, Bates for me, It was super, super fun to watch. And I was really proud of the guys. And Johan, I know how much effort you guys put, you guys put into planning when I was racing with you guys. And I see it now firsthand. I mean, we had like 30 people on the sides of the roads. And that's probably on the smaller side of how many the other big teams have.

But from people handing out water bottles, the people having wheels, to people knowing what to do to wheels. Some of the people just say, just give the rider a wheel and just give them, give him an all and let them do it. because it might take more time for you to screw it up than having a rider actually do it. So it's just so much planning that goes into this race that you know quite well, Johan. And now I'm learning it, that it's just,

it's unlike any other race in the calendar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And to finish it off, Spencer and George, hey, congrats to the Hinkapie family, sixth place. Oh, thank you. His place, Andrew, in the junior race, right? How was that?

Yeah, sixth place. He was a little disappointed. He was fighting for the win there. right until the very end, had to make a huge effort to try to catch the breakaway. Ended up getting sick so he didn't get podium. But I reminded him the last year he ran onto the Belladro in like 80th place. And I had to find a bike for him so he can finish the last 200 meters on a bike. Yes, yeah.

So fast forward one year and fighting for the podium, I ended up sixth place. I mean, I was super happy to see it. And he's happy. He's motivated. It was a great day for him. That's today, right? That runs on the same day. Same day.

with U19, U23 pros and the women. Yeah, what the finish there. I don't know if you guys saw it. So three riders in front to Visma, Lisa Bike, two of the best riders ever, Mariana Vos and Pauline Ferrand-Provo

and the German, what's her name, Francesca Koch, from FDG? Francickeg. And a little side note to that story. Riley Pickerel, that's it, that their, their boyfriend and girlfriend. Oh, wow. So, Raleigh was in the bus, took a shower, and he's like, I got to go, I got to go.

And his girlfriend won the race. So it was pretty awesome. Funny story, yeah. That team's on a hot run, by the way. Amlu, Strata, Ronda, Bon, Flander, and Perrupe. Yeah. Listen, if you saw her ride, if you saw her ride in Flanders, what she did for, for Demi Volering, she was so strong.

Yeah. She was so strong. Yeah. It was a surprise, though, that she beat Mariana Vos. in the sprint, but still, Maria Vos comes back from a very long time without races. She had, you know, sadly her dad passed away a month ago or something.

And so it was her first race back, but still, I mean, she's, you know, the greatest female rider ever. 240 plus wins in her career. So, yeah, that was quite the win for the German rider. Yeah. What do you guys think about this world we're living in where there's aerobikes now at Perry Rubei. Like, UAE will ride the same bike for every race.

Gone are the days of, do you remember all these specialized bikes, not the company, just. The pioneer, the pioneer with that trend is George. He, you know, he started, I mean, and everybody thought he was crazy. George started with high-profile wheels. The first ever rider to ride carbon high-profile wheel. What year was that, George? That's a good question.

What year was that, you know, like 0-4 maybe? 0.3 or 4, I don't remember. 0.3 or 4, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, let's not forget how it has changed because not that long before that, George. You know, there was, okay, there was steel bikes. And actually, a lot of riders were riding rock shocks. Rock shock.

Yeah. Yeah. In Paris, Loubet. I mean, obviously, the tires were a lot thinner instead. So, yeah. I mean, Visma and UAE were riding aerobikes. Van der Poole wasn't riding an aerobikes. Well, what's funny about that is his company, Canyon just came out with a new bike.

He didn't ride it. Oops. Yeah, he did. He did ride it. I thought he was on the Arrow Road. No, he was not. He was not. I don't know.

He may have started on the aerobike. I don't know. Maybe for the first 80K or did you see a bike change of Fonderpool in the beginning? I did not. No, no. That's another thing back in the days. I mean, now that's not, because back in the days, you know, you had a little rider starting on high profile wheels,

skinnier tires, higher pressure, and then hopefully there was a moment where they could change like 20K before the first couple and they went onto another bike, but that's not happening. Yeah,

I mean, that's crazy to be. I am riding that same bike and I can't imagine riding it on the cobbles. It's nuts. I mean, they do have a lot of clearance. They can put big tires in there,

which is kind of interesting, but poof, respect to those guys for riding that. the whole time. But George, we'll let you get to dinner. It's late. Y'am. Okay, guys. Thank you. We will talk. All right, guys. Thank you. See you next week. All right. Bye. Bye.