THEMOVE - Philipsen's Redemption Opens a Thrilling Battle for Green | TdF 2026 Stage 17 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 22, 2026

Lance, George, Sir Bradley, and Spencer Martin (aka The Professor) break down Jasper Philipsen's incredible stage win to score his first win at this Tour de France and get within seven points of the Green Jersey. They discuss Philipsen's tough path to the stage win, how Mads Pedersen potentially miscalculated the day, and what Adam Yates' illness means for Tadej Pogačar and Isaac del Toro heading into the Alps. They also preview tomorrow's tricky stage and take listener calls before answering yesterday's Ventum trivia with a new question to close. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Roka: The Move listeners get 20% off. Just go to https://ROKA.com and enter code THEMOVE at checkout.  LMNT: Get a free 8-count Sample Pack of LMNT's most popular drink mix flavors with any purchase at https://DrinkLMNT.com/TheMove David Protein: David is offering our listeners a special deal: buy 4 cartons and get the 5th free when you go to https://davidprotein.com/THEMOVE Ventum: Use code TheMove10 for 10% off anything at: https://ventumracing.com/ Eight Sleep: Use code THEMOVE at https://eightsleep.com/themove for up to $350 off. 30 days to try it at home. Free returns if it's not for you.

So do we think the Green Joe is going to come down to that final sprint in Paris? I think it could. Yeah. Yeah. Which will be fascinating. Yeah. And does it keep Vanderpul from going for the stage win? There's another question.

Because Vanderpul, you'd imagine it would be perfect for that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited. I can't wait for Paris. Matt's Patterson at his finish interview said, he said it, he thinks it comes down to Paris, which as spectators, as fans, as

viewers, that's pretty exciting. Well, good morning, everybody. What's going on here? Welcome back to the Moop. What are you laughing at? I was just a little bit louder than normal. I know. Is that good? No, because my thing, I was like,

whoa, I can't, I couldn't hear. Funny, like, yeah, never mind. I'm Lance. This is Sir Bradley. Patient number one. How is it post? It's good.

I'm a good patient. It sounds fine. Yeah. Went well. Your guy. Really just a great dentist. Took great care of me. Took great great care of me.

Took breaks in between. Did you get some gas? What? No, no gas. Just the local. Yeah. Local stuff.

Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Local stuff, right? Yeah. George has some local stuff from Colorado. I meant like localized. Did you get that, brother?

I did get that. the professor Spencer Martin boy it's wearing on we're over we got a half a week to go or something we of course

are talking about stage 17 Alan tell us where we go stage 17 from Chamberie to Vouron from Chamberry to Vouron

Incredible I don't know resilience grit But Jasper Philipson, we did not see that coming. I was thinking about you, Spencer, because this was, you posed the question yesterday, could this be a field sprint day? I think, or a sprint day.

This was kind of a hybrid, right? I mean, the story of the day is Jasper Phillips and this guy just hanging in there. And I did not see this coming. No, I think it was far from a field sprint. It was kind of like a mini tour of Flanders. I mean, these guys were coming in, crawling on their hands and knees, and Jasper Phillips and spoke about it in his interview, how he didn't know what was wrong with him at the first part of the tour,

but today he had a really great day. And thank his teammates, thanks to his staff of the team, just super emotional victory for him. Very, very impressive victory. Being a mate, like, he's a sprinter. Like, he is a hardcore sprinter, but making that breakaway today and having the legs for a sprint like that, winning by three or four bike lengths, it was incredible.

It shows you the range these guys have. like even OLAF Koi and third. Yeah. I think the average person is like, why do they even have sprint days? Why don't they just ride harder and they'll drop the sprinters? It's like these guys, people don't understand how versatile they are and how good they are in different types of terrain. I agree.

Yeah, the sprinters these days, they're just so well, they can do everything. I mean, they can do these 5K climbs just as good as anybody in the world now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the average speed today was 47.4 kilometers an hour. Insane. That's fast. It's like a boxing match.

at times today. Yeah. It was just people were hitting left, right, regrouping, different formations. I think it helped

with that sprint late on in the stage as well. It gave us a bit more of a spectacle. Is that, what was Philipson's

priority? I mean, certainly, when you listen to his post-race interview, he was really stressing the importance of getting that stage win.

Very emotional, wasn't he? He was, he was, you know, I think it was weighing on him because the team had committed so much work in so many of those early stages or so many of the logical stages

to get the win for him. He was really down on himself. You heard him talking about it. You heard him he said a couple super interesting things. He said that he came into, at least they thought, as the team and his trainers and himself, came into the tour with the best condition of his life. So you imagine what that is doing to his mind where we remember those early sprint stages. He wasn't even close. So he's coming in saying, I've got the legs of my life. And he was just outmatched. I found that surprising.

Secondly, and I would just warn him not to do this. If I heard it right, he admitted that he was sort of going down this rabbit hole of reading comments on his social media. Now, kids, this is yet another public service announcement from Uncle Lance. If you're ever in the tour to France and don't read the comments. Ever. And don't read them. if you're doing great and don't read them if you suck.

But he, yeah, he was relieved. It was cool to see. And, I mean, that is a very, very tough thing that he did today. Obviously, tough physically, because of the stage, because of the boxing match. But tough mentally to hang in there and to come through.

Damn. Well, actually, and tactically, too, is super exciting to watch. I mean, they're going from playing defense all the way to basically 5K to go, 4K to go, then all of a sudden they jump on the office and they got a guy like Van der Poe

helping you out. That team wrote incredibly well today. I think they had four or five guys in that breakaway. And of course there was one guy following, what's his name? Plankart was following Mads Peterson in that early move, kind of flanked him for that sprint.

Mads went all in for that sprint. Obviously took a lot out of his finishing sprint by doing that and ultimately ended up losing points in the overall all lead there for the green jersey. I think it was a miscalculation because he bridged up to the breakaway that Ben Wiggins pointed out didn't have

any green jersey threats in it. But then he gases himself going for the, he's pulling, he's putting out so much work to get that sprint. But Philipson just finishes a few positions back. And then he's two gas in the final sprint to finish high enough up to limit the damage. He probably

just would have been better off following Philipson all day. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we can't talk about the stage of today without talking about yes for Stuyven I mean and I think we all have been around the sport enough of course he came through our development team

I don't know 15 long time ago one of the good guys and and boy he laid it all out there I thought he had it I thought he had too I was I was getting my

my thumbs ready for the DM and it just did this tour just catch up to you I mean you saw it I mean he just caked in salt and there was enough motivation and enough guys behind. I mean, it obviously

you know, you got a guy like Vanderpull back there. You can bring back in almost anything. But I thought he had it. And I was, I was cheering loud. Yeah, this port has no mercy. I mean, Jasper wrote an incredible race, super aggressive, well-time attacked. But it's just all the different dynamics that happened in the two groups behind them. Like, arguably, had they not gone caught,

had they not had four or five guys with Alpacine Phoenix, playing Matthews in the break. There was just too many sprinters back there, too much on the line for these guys that made them all work together, chased down Yaspers Stuyven, but it was a perfect move otherwise. What's interesting with Yaspers,

you know, he said in his post-race thing there, that he can't believe it's taken him to stage 17 to win a stage. And actually, the one who's gone home is the guy who won three stages who beat. I thought it,

you know, at one point, we thought it'd be the other way around, that Yaspur wouldn't make it through this tour. So, chapeau to him. Yeah, I mean, incredibly, gutsy right yeah yeah i mean this one's easy to root for as much as that stoivan was a heartbreaker but a man big shout out to a very matthew van der paul in that final the leader was sublime i mean how they

were how they get those guys to wait what's the sublime i'm gonna borrow that word yeah i thought there was a band well and vanderpool could have attacked over the climb he had the speed and he held back thinking about phillipson the way they work together is it's incredible you know and vdp sacrificing there. There was a few moments that where you could have thought that Vanderpocked one that stage. For sure.

So great. It shows the camaraderie. They have those guys. It's like clockwork orange. Make Little Trek watch this with their eyes open. Like Jonathan Milan, Matt's Pedersen, this is how you guys could be. Be interested to see what the eight sleep move of the day

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Sir Bradley your move of the day well my of course Yasper fantastic but Machia van der Poe I would not underestimate his presence and his influence on Jasper all day, the encouragement he would have been giving him, and just knowing that Machu is by your side. And I think Machu Van der Po is my move of the day. Yeah, I'm going to have to go give Jasper still even the love. He didn't get the win. Or none of them are going to agree. Yeah, in my mind, I think he just did an incredible ride. Went all in to try to get that victory.

He's the, like, the best teammate in the world as well. He's a huge factor for all three wins from Malir and still stage 17 going for the win and unfortunately got caught. Mine is Philipson. He's turned, as Lance would say,

he's turned chicken shit into chicken salad. People thought green was over. He gets the stage win. Green is back on. This is exciting stuff. Another way to say that is you go from the doghouse

to the penthouse. But, yeah, look, the Tour de France is, when I think about his win today, obviously the Tour de France is the hardest sporting event in the world. This has been an incredibly hard one.

It's been incredibly hot. But all that to say, we all know it's hard physically. What he pulled off today, I think, was a mental win. Like for this guy to get kicked around and have to face his teammates and face the staff day in and day out, think about the roller coaster. Again, I said at the top of the show, he was on the record of saying he thought he was coming into the tour with the best legs of all time. So now he comes in at a high. And then all of a sudden just keeps getting kicked and kicked and kicked.

Easily could have just slid out and said, I'm going home. You know, I'm maybe have one stage left. You know, I'm out. And he hung in there. And that's a mental win, right? And so for that, I think he is, it proves both parts of the tour. Proves how hard it is physically and also proves how hard it is. And he was a great example today to stay tough mentally and come through with the win.

So in my move of the day. So do we think the green. Joe's going to come down to that final sprint in Paris? I think it could. Yeah. Which will be fascinating. Yeah. And does it keep Vanderpul from going for the stage win?

There's another question. Because Vanderpul, you'd imagine, it would be perfect for that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited. I can't wait for Paris. Matt's Patterson at his finish interview said, he said it, he thinks it comes down to Paris. which, as spectators, as fans, as viewers, that's pretty exciting.

And there is an intermediate sprint. In Paris. That's going to be very exciting. Man, should we fly to Paris Saturday night? No. No. No, we should not. I'm down.

My six-year-old's going to be there. I keep getting yelled at here in Aspen, so I'm ready. Yeah, people have been, they have been yelling at you. George, you imagine this, folks. Right. You know, I mean, nobody likes me. We all let's get that out of the way. Bradley, you know, he's, he's, he's, um, prickly and, and, and a little bit edgy sometimes. But George, I mean, let's also all agree that everybody loves George. He has been getting just accosted. Yeah. On the bike paths, we're going five miles an hour. I mean, these whiny Texans or whatever they are, just slow it down. Yeah. I mean, I actually think it's hilarious. He's going six miles. He looks at his computer six miles now. And then what's even better, because you know the man. I mean, he won't react.

Like, I've never heard the man say anything bad about another human being, which secretly drives me crazy. Our neighbors in Snowmass watch the show every day. The cyclist, yeah. We see him every day. He helped Ben pump his ties up the other day. But he's from Wisconsin, and his accent is off the charge. Ben said all the serial killers from the U.S.

like Ted Bundy, you know, the other guy, who they made a Netflix about, they're all from Wisconsin, apparently. That's the, yeah, just that thought. I think Dahmer is.

I never thought about that. The funny thing was the first person yelled at me. I was going six miles an hour. I was with my 12-year-old son. And I actually stopped at, I'm going six miles an hour. The speed limit is actually 10,

and I was so far away from you. Like, why are you yelling at my son? He's like, oh, actually, I watch you guys a show every day. I'm sorry. Stop yelling at people on the body. bike pad. This is a bike path. Yeah. I just love it that you,

you know, you just get riled up. All right. Are what? That was that? I think that's cool. Like your neighbors and just the little factor. Wisconsin's quite a, it's quite a unique accent. It is. It's very. Americans will be like, oh yeah, we don't have accents.

And you're like, you are speaking to be the thickest accent. Americans say that? Hello. Anybody been to Alabama? Yeah. Mississippi. Even like, I don't want to throw my family under the bus, but they'll be like, oh, Ted Lassel. They don't really talk like that in Kansas. Like, you guys have thick accents.

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Not shocking. Do you know who is second? Yes, for Philipson. Yes, for Philipson. That's pretty impressive. Do you know who's third? Tim Mirlier. Woutt, Van Arte.

Watt, Van Arte. Pretty good little rider there. Also, he's been out biking. There was some buzz that, you know, I tell you, if you're Visma, based on, and we haven't really talked about, I mean, there's some buzz around what Walt Van Art wants to do in the future. Jonas Fingeguard came out, but on one of the rest days and said he'd considered retiring.

Boy, you're looking at this going, hmm. Yeah, even Vanderbilt, I think he's saying he's going to go to like 28, 29. L.A. I think L.A. is the one that they were looking at it. Is this what we, I mean, we have always, as we were watching this sport get younger and younger, and the guys, young riders, men and women, getting more and more serious at a, younger age. So just observing that, but then also wondering, I mean, could, you know, we all

raced and so, I mean, you can't do it. You guys were kind of the outliers. Because remember he no, just walked away at like 32. He could have won another tour. Yeah. Merckst it as well. Merckst it. I think that's more that it's like soccer.

It's like that, too. I think you guys were the outliers racing. So I know, that's just my view. Well, I think, yeah. I mean, but as this, I mean, Paul Setschus 19 years old. I mean, is you imagine a world. I cannot actually imagine a world where we're talking about Paul Seishas in the tour

when he's 33 years old. Yeah, exactly. It's a long, long time. Back in our day, it was like 28 to 32 was like the peak years. And now it's kind of like on the older side, it seems. Yeah. It's interesting.

Look at Laminia Mall. The guy's like 18 and people are talking about, oh, he's in a slump. He's having a down. I've never even heard that name of my life. Who's that? He's probably the best player on the team that just won the World Cup on Spain.

Oh, I got done watch. I stopped watching soccer. I'm back to not liking soccer. But you guys know that... Once England lost, I mean, once the hurricane was out, true story. Remko and Jonas have the same number of tour wins. Is that not shocking to you?

Who's that saying to Remke? Jonas and Remco have the same amount of tour to front stage wins. Is that crazy? That is. I mean, that is so crazy. In fact, it's so crazy I never thought about it. We'll be back in two minutes and 32 seconds. And we are back.

one thing we didn't we didn't talk about the first half the show was Today Pokachar's amazing teammate Adam Eats was sung I guess sick we don't know just a cold or maybe you guys know

but he was very sick didn't he after the time trial I guess he was throwing up couldn't eat dinner at all so imagine doing a stage like today without dinner bad stomach not that's pretty horrible situation in the tort of hands he looked like he I mean, he had his teammate with him, but when he crossed the finish line, it was just like, wow.

But he shows you how fragile these riders are as well, because he's in the same team, of course, as Tadi Pogacar. And, God forbid, something like that happened to Tadai, and with such a relatively small lead, a four and a half minutes is quite a big lead, but with something like that structure, it's all of a sudden. It's wiped out. What do we think happened to him? Is it its stomach bug? It sounds like it. If he was throwing up after the time trial, yeah, something affected his stomach.

So they've got to like basically keep them totally separate from the rest of the team, quarantine them. And you can see today they really need them. Like they're like, you know, send a guy, but they send Tim Welland's back for him just to get him to the finish line in the hopes that, you know, he can be recovered for the next three very hard days. Yeah. And the stomach, you know, if it was some other type of illness that, I mean, a lot of times the stomach bug can come and go in 24, 36, 48 hours. You just just like, dude, you got to start. will put Welland's with you Just finished within the time cut

And then he starts You know he's got three or four days He can Think about it He's their number three guys Like Boguchar, Del Toro Adam Yates on the climbs Yeah

So without him that's you know Makes it Well and Del Toro is very difficult Offering up a lot of work It looks like because he's fighting for the podium And so is he going to be in his own hotel room Like how's that work? I mean certainly without a roommate

Probably not eat with the guys. I'm saying, yeah, they'd bring them the food. Yeah, they got to keep them isolated until he's healthier. I was going to say, did you have in any of your seven years,

any little scares that was unbeknownst to the rest of the Peloton or the world's media, like illness or anything like that that you had to go through in secret. Negative. No, no, that's interesting because. Did you? No.

No. No. You'd think it would happen more. Well, yeah. Yeah, you would. I mean,

less so now with how controlled the food is and the kitchens we spoke about the other day, you know, back in the day when you were in a campanil and you were in the hands of the kitchen staff at the campanil in Bourgdazons, you know, or something like that. Didn't you notice like in the third week, you'd hear so many guys coughing, like, everybody's

kind of like it has a slight cold. They always blame the aircon. Yeah, it was like the set. Yeah, we did we had an illness going around the studio and week one, didn't we? The two. Yeah. It was a scare. We didn't know. It was.

It was. Everybody had like allergies or Yeah. Oh, well, the smoke was bad, too. Yeah. Fortunately, that's cleared out. Let's look at tomorrow stage. This one's, this one's an interesting one. Let's pull up the profile.

I zoomed in. Zoom, zoom. I mean, you look at it and you're like, okay, we can manage this. Now, what is not on this profile, if you're watching the show, is the total vert for this day is just under 4,000 meters. Yet another day. Just under 4,000 meter. If you look at that, that doesn't look like a 4,000 meter day. What that tells me is, well, two things.

One, from the start of the race to the finish of the race is obviously a net gain. But that stuff in the second half is just never flat. Like somehow you are accumulating. The final climb is not that tough. 7.1K at 6.7%. That doesn't stand out. Of course, you've got the cat 1 at the start, 11.4 at 5%. That doesn't necessarily stand out.

But somewhere along the way, we're getting 13,000 feet. 4,000 meters of vertical climb. There's virtually no flat is there really. None. Right. That first 20K. And we're seeing these massive breakways go. Like it's 20, 30, sometimes almost 50 guys getting up the road, which I think will be happening tomorrow as well, which makes it really interesting, exciting.

Who's going to, you know, be able to. What does Matt Spaderson do? Yeah, exactly. That was a question. Yeah. A legit question. He's got to try to get those points. Yeah, he's got to try to make that breakway for sure.

Ouch. I mean, also, before the big Alpdures days, this is the last opportunity for lots of people in this race that haven't done anything yet. Yeah, you see the guys like Carapas, not even really trying to have a great day. But tomorrow, I would guess we'd see him up there trying to get in that break. And what Bradley says is causing is, it's not really a breakaway, as you would imagine, happening ye olden days. It's just, it's so desperate to get in these moves. It's strung out. it's single file for an hour and a half.

And then eventually it cracks. Somebody opens up the gap. So it's not like a controlled breakaway formation. It's just chaos until someone cannot hold the wheel any longer, which is really bad if you're a GC team. Yeah. Taday was in a break at one stage day. And Deltaire was behind.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. What do you guys think wins tomorrow? Is it breakaway or GC day? Well, we know who George thinks. I think it's a breakway. tomorrow. It's actually a great,

great finish for Quinn Simmons. Yeah. It is. Yeah. Sure. He was up there again today. Working for Mads. Boy, I tell you.

He was good in the feet. Have you taken down the, who's, who's that dude you had a poster of it in your bathroom? I never had a dude. Was it Greg Ben Arvarmardt or the, I love Greg,

but who's the other one you had a poster of in your private bathroom? Bill, buddy. Because now there's a Quinn Simmons poster up in there. Yeah. Admit it. next to Chris Horner. Okay. You know what?

I'm at the bottom of the bathroom. I should go to the bathroom. Earlier in the show, I told everybody, just how sweet you are. So don't. Not anymore. We're not going to allow you.

This is the new me. I'm not going to take it and yell that on the bike bathroom. I heard Horner put him up to it. I'm shocked. You know what? Folks, we are two and a half weeks in. It's not just tiring for the men of the race.

It's also time for us. It's hard to hang out in Aspen, Colorado for three weeks straight. Expensive. Let's go to the callers. Call on line. Our number, we're running out of days, folks. Getting a lot of calls, which is cool, so we appreciate that. But not too late.

Call us 970-7-18-2736. Coltland. Call number one. This is Les Baker from South Carolina. Carolina. Shout out. Oh, yeah. Right.

In a lot of other sports, they have these throwback days or throwback games. Would you like to see a throwback stage at the Tour to France where some of the teams adopt past teams, jerseys and colors? And if so, what would be some of the ones that you would most like to see? Thank you. Love the show. That's a great idea. I was for a second. Well, first of all, several thoughts before.

And then I'm going to, because I know you, I mean, you have an incredible jersey collection. so I'd love to hear your answer, Sir Bradley. But just real quick, because you were saying something about Americans don't think we have accents. I don't know what you're talking. Exhibit A, ladies and gentlemen. But I thought it was a good question. Yeah, shout out to my fellow South of Marylandian. I'll point out one thing, I think it was two years ago.

Uno X went as 7-Eleven in Perry Rebbe, which I thought was awesome. They won all the 7-Elevens in Norway. and obviously that's an old iconic American team and they race in the 7-11 kit. I have never seen it in Tour de France though. Yeah, but it is a great idea. I saw Alpacin, I think on the rest day, rode in another sort of jersey

that was a nod to Raymond Pulido, the grandfather of Mathieu. And of course, they rode a stage or they wrote a race a few years ago in his old Hutchinson. It was like Vanderpull's first tour. Yeah. Yeah, that was.

Favorite jersey? Favorite jersey? I mean, if you were, let's just say you were... Well, from my teens, my Motorola was my favorite team. I love that jersey. I mean, that first documentary in 91 where they followed the Motorola team around the classics, you know, and you had Bob Row and, you know, all those guys. Yeah. Lance Armstrong.

Henny, you know, the speed skater who was on the team then as well. Eric Hayden. Eric Hayden. But my favorite jersey of all time, it has to be Molteni. Yeah. You like them clean. Do you remember Atala? Remember the Atala jersey?

Yes. That's a cool one, like the blue and white stripes. It would be interesting to see the modern peloton, if we're doing throwbacks, riding on 70s equipment, 70s jerseys, and see how they'd get on. No helmets. Well, and this is, I think I realized towards the end that he was talking about just sort of throwing back on the jersey. But at first I thought throwback gear, I mean, that would be. You imagine?

No, I cannot imagine. Or even a time troll on road bikes. Yes. Current position. You see it sometimes at these overseas races. Qatar used to do a prolog on their bikes. And I love it when they have to do it. I think one of the best jerseys might be controversial.

Original Team Sky. Clean jersey. It was a bit of a telecom rip-off with the three Adidas stripes. Well, the telecon, that's a great choice too. Yeah. Yeah. And Mapai. Mapi.

Classic Mapi. Yes. Carrera. Carrera with the Ging. The Jorts. The Jorts? The Jorts. That was kind of, that was going to bother.

These motherfuckers were jorts. Before even anybody ever said the word jort. That was amazing. I mean, Kipucci and denim, spandex. Gatorade. Johnny Bunyan and Gatorade. That was clean. He's got us going here.

You're your boy in South Carolina. Yep. The no helmet thing. I have not talked about that this year, but that is, we got to go back there. We've got to go back there. On these climbs, look, we're going to finish. Look, I'm looking at the. The finish tomorrow.

It's uphill. Okay. These guys on their bikes are going to be going slower than the gentleman that ran 159. That climb by like 30K now or now. Yeah. Helmets got to come off on the final. I was thinking about this. I don't think it would work because you guys would go back to the team car and drop your helmets.

No, you'd throw them. There was a zone. Man, it's so fast going to these climbs. It's so fast. It makes absolutely no sense. Look, I'm just, this is how, look, Marco Pantani, who I think we could all agree, was one of the biggest and greatest personalities

in the history of the sport. He was, he was, he was an incredibly complicated guy, and I certainly had a complicated relationship with him. And by the way, may he rest in peace. And by the way, part two, I wish I didn't have this complicated relationship with him. When I look back on him and look back on his career, I want more time with him, not less time. But he would not be the character that I am now talking about.

If you just covered him up with helmets and sunglasses and in the climbs, he became tantani because you saw him. You saw everything about it. Finian, you saw. You saw the ponytail. You saw it all. Tunisa, remember the old Piedin, these guys, I mean, that's your like, holy shit. shit. Look this guy. I mean, I'm just saying

Jacques Concatil used to carry a comb in his back door. As soon as he crossed the line, he would comb his hair back for the interview. Come on. I mean, I adore. What days? Call her two. Hi, guys. This is Rod from Monterey.

Calling specifically about Remko, with his lack of racing leading into the tour, do you think he's timing it perfectly? First week, building up and actually coming good for the last week of the tour. I just want to hear comments on that and join the show. Thank you very much. Bye. He actually mentioned in an interview that once they saw the time trial was stage 14, right?

Or 15? 16. 16. 16. That they knew that they had to arrive at stage 16 in top form. Like, they knew they could win it. So, yeah, arguably, I think maybe we're going to see the best of Remko in this final week. Yeah.

The thing I noticed with Remko, I've seen them little clips of him giving the talks in the evenings to the team, thanking everyone with the champagne is when things are going well for Remco, he looks happy and a happy Remko rides out of himself. Yes. And I'm noticing that of the last few years, when things aren't quite going his way. And, you know, as we've seen last year in getting off.

And I think he's coming into his own this year. And I think, you know, you have to say that the season he's had up to this point has allowed him to be in this state, you know, in the third week. And actually saw, I read some, somebody sent me something today, which was quite interesting.

Will the tour start trying to make, it more exciting by adding longer time trials, 60K time trials. So two of them, one in the beginning, one at the end, where a guy like Markko has a chance. I have no idea. I would love that. I have no idea. I would love that.

I have no idea who sent you that. But this was three or four days ago, I had the very, I said, what would happen if just, you don't have to do it forever. But you went, let's say in 2027, you go back and say, all right, we're going to do two 55 kilometer time trials. Now, I understand why they went away from that. They were trying to keep it tighter and animate the mountains. But at some point, you have to say, and you could even, by the way, throw in a 50 kilometer team time trial where time counts for individual classification.

What I'm describing is a throwback. But give us 250K individual TTs. Give us a 55K team time trial that counts for individual GC. You could make the argument that it would animate the mountains, actually even more. I mean, it's not, look, we don't know, but. You pointed out, tomorrow's it's sort of, sort of a mid-mountain stage. It's over 4,000 meters of climbing. Like, when is that a mid-mountain stage?

Like, they've added so much climbing elevation that perhaps they start rethinking that. It's a great point. You know, you always get the critics that say, you know, you only won the talk because of the time travels that were in there. You know, imagine if they had no time trials, you went to one, you know. Are these the comments who say? Oh, you just, it's a general, you know, and I had that. Indrain had it. Well, people want to go back and watch Indrain in the mountains, you know.

if they think that. But Bernaino, he won five Tour de France. He won 20 of his stage wins in the Tour de France with time trials. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Think about that. That's the implication of Remco not, he just didn't race for months. Is that mean people are just going to stop racing if he does well in this third week? Isn't there a limit to how many days you can race anyway? Is it now 70? I haven't heard that one. I've not heard that. No. I'm sure I'm sure you're now not allowed to race more than 70 days a year. I might be wrong on that. But let me ask, um, Because I mean, I don't really care about that. But, but, and I actually want to ask the question before I forget, because I'm 55. I'm going to forget these things quickly.

Dementia. Go ahead. Sorry. Listen. I don't think so. All right. Anyways, I still remember. What would have?

Here's a question for you. Like, throw, and let's just use this year's race and the condition that you see. And let's just use Pocachar and Remko. throw those two guys with current condition into a throwback tour that has a prologue. So factor that in. And then four or five days give the sprinters, you know, sprint stages. And then boom, a 55 kilometer time trial before we have climbed anything, before there has been a selection on a climb. So pound, you know, pound for pound, apples and apples.

What does Remcoe, and this is, again, Tadie not being conservative. this is Todi having to ride the best time trial that he can ride. How much time does Rimco, based on these two guys today, how much time does he put on him? Well, based on last... And it's 50 kilometers. Yeah, based on last year's time trial, which I think was 35 kilometers. He took 16 seconds.

He took 16 seconds. And that was relatively flat. That was after about four or five sprint stages, wasn't it? Yeah. So, yeah. Well, he took almost 30 this time throw. Yeah, but he got a set up. But he wrote conservative.

Yeah. Okay, I was curious because if it's... If there was some world where it's a minute, you know, if you're RIMCO, you say, okay, look, I have my minute. And then we're not, we're not factoring in a potential team time trial. You know, it starts to, that's, yeah. Well, let's say. But if it's 30 seconds, I mean, the Pochuchar sees 30 seconds is like, all right. But that's on a 50K, so I'm trying.

A throwback would be 75 kilometers. Well, that would. Yeah. We never did one of those. Well, imagine 100K of initial. We definitely had 60Ks, though. Yeah, mid-90s. I mean.

like injuring, there was a 75, lack de Vasvier. If there's two 50s, let's say Remko gets two minutes. That's pretty interesting for the mountains. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think you're pulling out the right strings here. But that makes Taday more angry. Yes, and it would be more exciting to watch. I think by limiting the time trials, they've incentivized sitting in on the mountain stages.

Yeah, right? It punches everything together. And that has become evident. Yeah. Right? That this idea of minimizing the TTs, incentivizing guys to attack more animating the mountains. I don't think it's happened. I agree.

And you're, you look, we're leaving out this really, really important part that nobody can mess with Taday Pogachar. I mean, he's... He's the man. He's the man. It would force him, though, in a position where we'd have to show us more of his talents, which would be more fun.

Yeah. As if we ain't seen enough of them. Rubez-Rébezzar-D. Yeah. Kind of a limited writer. He's a goat. He's a goat. That's two voicemails. Cool. Let's do our trivia.

And then we'll get out of here and rest up for tomorrow's day. George, go home and ice his tooth. That's right. I was very concerned. And I'm very surprised that you're here today. And I'm very, very surprised that you can actually speak. You were so concerned that he told me to text him once I was done. I text him, zero response.

Hey, man, everything went well. Thanks for that. No response. I didn't reply? No. It was on a golf course with my son. Ventim trivia for the day. By the way, head on over to ventumracing.com slash the move to answer the question, enter to win.

$5,000 credit towards the Ventim bike of your choice. Could be anything. Could be the NS1. Could be the GS1. Yesterday's question. Sir Brad Lewiggins won the 2012 Tour to France and then went on to win Olympic gold in the time trial just days later. What made this feat historically unique? answer. It was the first writer to win the tour and the Olympic TT gold in the same year.

But you were saying there's a copy out there. Yeah, I think it's unfair because up until 1996, which was the first time professionals were allowed to take part in the Olympics. Before that, of course, it was amateur. We haven't got a full picture of, you know, if Indraim won the tour in 92, which where he won the dominated the time trials in that edition of the race. I think he won in Luxembourg by three and a half minutes. If he'd gone to Barcelona, you'd imagine he would have won the time trial. There was no individual time trial in the Olympics until Atlanta, which was the first one. There wasn't an individual time trial.

And so I think Lance was the only other tour winner that got a medal in Sydney. Well, for a while. Yeah. It is a hard double, we should say. Yeah, but it's a useful stat. You know, had Merck's in his prime, been able to do the Olympics as well as winning them tours. You'd imagine he would have won Olympic gold in the world. the time, Joe.

Here's today's question. Young riders have been a force in this year's tour. In what year was the best young rider competition, the white jersey, introduced into the race? We were talking about this earlier in the tour, I think, offline. Young riders have been a force in this year's tour. In what year was the best young rider, aka the white jersey, introduced into the tour. Head on over to ventumracing.com slash the move. Is it interesting to think that Paul Sajas could win seven white jersey?

he's not eligible for the competition. That is crazy. That, I mean, look, I mean, yeah, I think you have to. 7 on that. Caboan t-shirt. I think, I think they're probably, you could see them lowering that. Oh, they have to. What is the race age?

It's 25 and under, yeah. So U-26. Yeah, so I think it's got to go to 22 or 23. Maybe 23? U-23 is a category in itself? Yeah. Look at that. It's ridiculous.

To be 26 and to be just aging out of the white jersey is absurd. All right, everybody, thanks for tuning in. We will see you tomorrow for stage 18.