THEMOVE - Predictions for Final Time Trial | Tour De France 2024 Stage 20 | JB2

Episode Date: July 20, 2024

Johan and JB break down today's final mountain stage and look ahead at the final time trial. Tadej Pogacar now has tied an interesting record. Johan will be joining THEMOVE tomorrow to share his parting thoughts on the 2024 Tour de France.

did you think for a moment, Pogacar might let Jonas have that win today? No, no, no. I mean, especially, I mean,

like I said, you know, I mean, and, and, and, and also, I mean,

I think we said it yesterday or two days ago. No, it could be that he wins the last three stages of the tour. Looks like it's going to happen. You know, he's, he's now also, uh, one stat I saw is that, uh, he's now won five mountain stages in one ground tour. And this it's only been done by one cyclist ever very long time ago in a Gino Bartali, you know, that must've been in the 40s, 50s, I guess. Yeah.

Yeah. Hello and welcome to JB Squared, second to last day. It's hard to believe. I'm JB Hager and Johan Brunel is here with me and we're going to talk about stage 20 of the 2024 Tour de France. It's all winding down. It feels like when you think about some of those early stage, it feels like it was a year ago.

It does. Does it feel that way as a writer and a director? Yeah. I, you know, like I have to, I have trouble now thinking back on where it started and who won and it's like, it feels such a long time ago. I know who won the first stage. Let's just try. Cause there were three French writers very early. Uh, yeah. Good. Good on you. Cause that does, it seems like it's a lifetime ago. Uh, before we get started, thank you to ketone IQ. This has been

fueling the whole team, this entire tour putting out, uh, four shows a day. We've been busy, busy, busy, a quick little shot here. I actually, this is the newer peach one with caffeine. Can't take that one now at this time of the day, because it's 9.15. You don't sleep anyway. Come on. I'm just going to go with the normal one. Yeah. You don't sleep anyway. I'm telling you. I do. I do. I do. Our listeners. Well, you sleep with one eye open then,

because it doesn't matter what time you send an email or a text and what time in the overnight Johan's right back, right back to you. Probably cause you have kids. I, you know, when your you're kids or you sleep with one eye open anyway, right? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Let's get into it. Today was an interesting stage for a couple of reasons. Let's go through, we thought it might be a breakaway. And I do think that UAE and Pagacha were willing to let it go. I would love your thoughts on that, but it,

but there were other initiatives by, uh, Sudal and Remco. So why don't you break that down for everybody? Initially JB, so 132 kilometers, 4,400 meters with four climbs, uh, very hard stage. Once again, um, super fast start. I guess everybody had seen the interview of saying, uh, we let the breakaway go. Uh, but it came to a point where there was one moment, there was like a, a really big group, um, of which then later on the, the, the final breakaway went, but there were like between 15 and 20 riders and number, number six, eight, nine, and 10 of the GC were in there. Um, so obviously, you know, then,

then finally it split and we got actually, uh, you know, a group of about, I think it was 10 riders or nine riders in total, but you know, with really, I mean, with really strong climbers, you know, Carapaz, Enric Mas, Wilco Kelderman, Romain Bardet, uh, Johanneson, and, and also surprisingly, Marc Soler from UAE was in there. So that was another reason for UAE to not chase, to get the breakaway back. Um, so what happened is that on those first two climbs, they set mainly on the second climb

because the break went on the first climb. Really an easy pace. They kept it around four or five minutes, I guess. So basically, you could also see that the breakaway was also not pushing it too hard because UAE was pulling with pushing it too hard, uh, because UAE was pulling with their, with their non climbers,

which are now all of us, which are climbers now also, by the way, because Nils Pollitt and Tim Wellens, uh, did a great job today. Uh, and then basically what happened,

JB was with the only way that it could happen that the breakaway didn't make it was that if another team had other plans, UAE was fine with it, but Sudak Quickstep had other plans. So they started to pace hard on the second to last climb, really hard with two riders, I guess with Gianni Moscon and Ilan van Wilder did a really good job. These guys. Um, and so you could see the break, the difference coming down, coming down. And, uh, yeah, then on the last time, 15 kilometers, I think they had about, uh, well, it was more or less the same. Like yesterday they had, I think they had just under three minutes

with the 15 kilometer climb to go. So, you know, if it would be an attack from Pogacar, you would say, okay, this is over, you know, but we kind of knew that Pogacar would not attack. And that Remco was, it was clear that when, when, when Sudakviks have started to up the pace and, and especially on the, at the bottom of the last climb, they had, uh, young here and then Michel Landa who really, really set a fast pace. Uh, the goal was for Ramco to try Jonas and try to get some time back on him. Um, at the same time, when those two guys started to pace the difference from three minutes went to two minutes to one and a half minutes.

And, uh, and yeah, I mean, then, uh, it was, it was almost sure that the breakaway would not make it. Although the last two riders of that breakaway were Richard Carapaz and, and Enric Mas, they were going really well. They did a really, really nice pace and, but still it was not enough. Um, so yeah, we, we expected that attack from Remco. He, he attacked the first time with seven kilometers to go. Jonas could follow straight away. Bogacar of course. And then two riders came back. I think it was Almeida and actually Matteo Jorgensen. We need to,

we need to mention him today he was with the five best climbers of the whole Tour de France not coming from a breakaway so I think that shows a little bit the level he has he's in really good shape he's tired but I think today was

a very very very nice test for Matteo Jorgensen for his future as a grand tour rider. Our audience, well, our American audience really likes to hear that. By the way, I'd say, you know, I've looked at a lot of demographics. Our audience is about half American and half around the rest of the world. You know what our number one city is? It's not a U S city. London, London, London, London.

Yeah. I'm surprised about that. Oh, yeah. It's pretty interesting. So, uh, yeah, this is,

man, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. Cause if, if you're saying, uh, Jorgensen is a, is a future, um,

uh, tour guy, then he's on the team with Jonas. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. He's, uh, he's, he's still discovering himself and I think he's super, super happy in the team he is on. I think today was a great statement from him. Um, you know, obviously he was super,

super disappointed yesterday about not winning the stage that performance today. I mean, although it may seem like, okay, maybe not very remarkable, but it means a lot. It means a lot because you're up there with the four or five best riders of the tour, uh, in stage 20, after having worked the whole three weeks for your leader, that says something about the qualities of a rider. I mean, and, and especially, I think, especially for a rider like Matteo, the Tour de France is probably the best of the three Grand Tours because the climbs are longer. They're not as steep as the Giro and the Vuelta.

And I mean, today that performance, um, for me, it's, I value it a lot, uh, in terms of his work as a writer. He's got to be pretty happy to finish in the top 10 as well, because when you're doing that kind of workload, and I think most of our audience knows this usually peel off and you're gassed and you're moving backwards. That, that tells me he continued after doing his work efforts to, to get across the line with a decent time and something else for our audience to look forward to with Jorgensen. He's on the Olympic squad for the U S. So if you're saying he's on good form.

Yeah. Well, the Olympic, the Olympic course is maybe not, I mean, yeah, I mean, he can be okay. It's, you know, it's, it's very explosive. So especially the final is going to be very explosive. So it's, it, it has Matthew van der Poel, Walt Van Aert written all over it. But, but listen, if you come out of the tour with a really, really good base and you're still have some reserves, you're going to be in front. I mean, it's a race of attrition. It's super, super long.

270K, I think, in Paris. It's going to be hot, probably also very hot. So, no, he'll be in front. He'll be in front in the Olympic Games. Let's talk about Remco for a second. I was really happy to see that him attack and try because, because he knew he had a five minute buffer or so in case it, what happened happened. If he tries to attack and blows up, he knows he has buffer and he's also very good at recovering and getting back

on pace. Yeah. He has to leave this tour thrilled with his results. And I want to get your thoughts on that. And you've been very open about how tough the Belgian press is on him. I imagine everyone is thrilled with this result. He's walking on water in Belgium. I mean, first of all, because it's clear that the two first guys are unreachable at this moment for him. And he actually also said it, you know, like today he said, you know,

it's I'm happy with my performance. I, I'm not at the same level as these two guys, but now I, I want to take that as a benchmark and see what I have to do to get to that level. The guy's super ambitious, you know? So that's also why he attacked today. He probably thought that Jonas, because Jonas didn't have a great day yesterday. So he said, okay, you know, he's going down, but, but Jonas bounced back today. I mean, he was, he, he was a lot better than yesterday, actually, was never in trouble when Remco attacked and on top of that,

he could counter attack and drop him. Um, so, but you know, hats off to Remco for trying, you know, and also, also, I repeat once again, the team around him was outstanding. Like today in the, in the, in the final of the race, they had still five riders. Uh, you know, they had, as I said, they had Moscona and Van Wilder and then they had Jan Hilt and, uh, and Landa, Mikel Landa, probably one of his best tours. He's going to be, he's going to finish fifth. Um, but, uh,

but the finishing fifth, but every time that Remco has needed him, he was there. So, um, Landa's on, on great, on great form because whenever he has finished his job, he keeps going and he is not very far behind Almeida, who in my opinion has does less work than, I mean, he's done work also today. Uh, but, uh, but L London has done the same kind of job for sure. So, I mean, uh, if you listen, if you look at the top five, uh, it's, it's, you know, watch our Jonas, uh, Almeida and London, I mean, it's five really, really good, good writers. So, you know, the tour puts to always everybody in his place, you know, And I'll say the same thing about your Jonas that I just said about Remco.

I know we all saw him get emotional. He was upset. He has to be thrilled with this performance. Uh, all things considered going back to his injury in the spring, he shouldn't, by all means should not have been in this tour de France and, and he's putting out his best numbers ever yeah yeah no for sure for sure i mean shows you what kind of what an athlete he is and uh i i would not have expected him to be on this level even with you know a little up and down um i mean but you know the times he was on the a little bit down he was not that down i mean he was still. He was still second in the stage, you know?

Yeah. Let me, uh, let me ask you this because for some of our audience, there may be some confusion about yesterday, which is the most comments we've ever had on the movement, JB squared ever. Um, the controversy of our Pugacar taking wins. we've ever had on the movement, JB squared ever, um, the controversy of our Pugacar taking wins, explain the difference of yesterday and today to our audience. Why yesterday people were like, some were unsure, not you, if he should have done that. Um, and then, but today's very different. It just explained the difference to people.

Yeah. I mean, for me, it's not different at all. I mean, for some people it's different, but, um, if you look at today, for example, yesterday you could say, yeah, you know, well, you know, why do they want to win all the stages with the team? The team didn't have to pull so hard. I explained my reasoning yesterday, today, for example, um, you could say, well, you know, Pogacar hasn't pulled one meter, you know, he's been sitting on the wheel and then he beats him in the sprint. But if you look back on, for example, if you look at last year, I want to compare it to last

year all the time. So if you take stage 20 last year, right. The, the, or the last mountain stage, I don't remember if it was stage 20, but anyway, Pogacar had this, he lost the seven minutes or eight minutes. Then he had a few days to recover. And then he wanted to win that last mountain stage. He attacked, attacked, attacked, could never drop Jonas. Jonas was always sitting on the wheel, not pulling, or at least when he was pulling, they were almost standing still. And then they get to the finish and it's a five man sprint, I think. And, and Pogacar wins,

but Jonas sprinted full gas. I mean, it's not like he was because he was leading with more than eight minutes. You could also say, okay, the difference is that Jonas didn't win, but he did try, he tried to win, you know? So to me, there's no difference, you know what I mean? These guys, when they're, and especially when they're riding against each other, they're not going to give any gifts today. For example, I mean,

you and I said, yeah, I, I, I, at first I thought maybe he would give me this, give me the stage or something, but I'm pretty sure that deep down, he doesn't really want that. He doesn't want to win a stage because Pogacar lets he wants to win because he beats him yeah and similarly early in this stage when when yonas won out sprinted pagacha pagacha said something to okay we know he's a hundred percent because pagacha knows his numbers and he got beat in a sprint. He made a comment. You may remember it better than I, but now we see he's a hundred percent. This is what I wanted. This is a good race. Yeah. Yeah.

Even though this rivalry seems to be building, there's a mutual respect and they both, they want to compete healthy. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure. They respect each other tremendously. You know, this year it was a bit less obvious because, uh, they were not, they were, they were both not in jerseys. You know, last year we got to see the yellow jersey and the white jersey every single day behind the finish line. And they were cooling down and they were, you know, congratulating each other this year. We haven't seen that because Jonas was never in a Jersey, right. So it was always today behind the podium and Jonas next to the,

next to his bus. And we saw today with Remco. Yeah, exactly. Very similarly because of the white Jersey. Yeah. Yeah. Did you think for a moment Pogacar might let Jonas have that win today? No, no, no. I mean, especially, I mean, like I said, you know, I mean,

and, and, and, and also, I mean, I think we said it yesterday or two days ago. No, it could be that he wins the last three stages of the tour. Looks like it's going to happen because I think he's winning the time trial tomorrow. Um, but yeah, I mean, you know, he's, he's now also, uh, one stat I saw is that, uh, he's now won five mountain stages in one ground tour. And this it's only been done by one cyclist ever very long time ago. And then Gino Bartali, you know, that must've been in the forties, fifties, I guess. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. So, so yeah. Uh, I mean, he's breaking records after record after record. And, uh, I mean, you know, at 25 years old, he is tomorrow probably going to be, uh, already at 17 to the front stage wins Mark Cavendish. Here I come. It's very real. Yeah. What people thought it was impossible is now very, very real, but it's also, it seems like the, the, the, I hate to, you know, this is, I don't want to be negative,

but this sport is more dangerous than ever faster than ever. As we saw. Well, and also JB also, you know, he's not going to win every year five or six stages, you know, this is exceptional. Yeah. You know, he's, if he has a good tour and maybe he wins another one and he may be in two, two stages or one stage and when, you know, if he has a good tour and maybe he wins another one and he may be, he may win two, two stages or one stage and win, you know, although the way he races, I have my doubts if he's going to be able to do that.

Uh, yeah. One of the things I was thinking about this morning because he has accomplished so much by 25, 20 years ago, plus you weren't even the, the GC rider until you were older than 25, most likely. Right. It seems, it seems like they would hit their prime at like 27. Yeah. Except, except that's true. Except the really big champions. Like, you know, I think Eddie Merckx won his first tour at 23. Uh, Laurent Fignon won his first tour, his first two tours at 21 and 22. Um,

Bernard Hinault was I think 22 or 23 when he won his first tour to France. So the big, the really, the big engines, uh, are, are good straight away. Pogacar is one of them, of course. And now I want you to, to talk about the, uh, sprint that, that Pogacar put on. It was miraculous. It was, it was, we were watching them go to the line. I thought it might be similar to the head to head race they had earlier in the tour. But man, when Pogacar was ready to go, it was,

it was like a motorcycle. Yeah. I mean, there you could have thought, there you could have thought, okay, have they spoken to each other? Because normally if Pogacar would really say, okay, I'm going for the stage, he just stays at the wheel. Right. But so, so a little bit, I said, okay, he goes to the front. Maybe they've spoken and, and, and Jonas will win. Right. But man, he, he went to the front. I mean, you could, he was so easy. Uh, you know,

as I said, you know what I mean? I saw at least two guys they caught from the breakaway and Pogacar was kind of looking at them and joking. One of them was Johan Assam. Johan Assam got caught, went to the fifth or sixth position and they were, they were, Pogacar was laughing, like smiling. Now he was just, he was just outstanding. Uh, and when he, when he started that sprint, I mean, you don't also say, okay, just, okay, that's it. Can't, can't, can't go anymore. He has such a different looking sprint than anyone. His elbows are in, he's a little upright, but just very, very special style. Very special style. Very efficient. Yeah. But also, I mean,

you also have to say Jonas, his main goal of Jonas was to take more time on Remco. So obviously he has been pushing the pace. And at the end, I think he, 45 seconds. So of course that was his main goal, right? So he's been pushing it. Uh, and he just could not accelerate anymore. And watch our was just sitting on the wheel. I mean, we knew that he had another gear if he would have wanted. So, um, yeah, I mean, it shows that he's just above everybody else to be as simple as that. Uh, very much so. Let's talk a little bit more about Carapaz and how Wigo called it, you know, and maybe I think he called it very like middle of the tour. Um, we saw Ben Healy on the tack a lot and going back to get Carapaz. Carapaz was struggling. And, and when Wigo was here with us, he kept saying, you wait, you wait, Carapaz is coming

on strong. And he did. And he's, you know, huge tour for him to get a day in yellow, a stage when, and the polka dot Jersey. Yeah. Yeah. And today he needed to, uh, I mean, it was almost already sure yesterday because, but you know, he needed to be in the break and score points on the first two, on the first two climbs to have it mathematically sure so it switches what he did but then he's still in there and he's still in there for the stage win and he was actually together with enric must the strongest of the breakaway so um and you know i mean incredible that he could stay with jonas and today because when they when when these two guys caught them that I mean when you get

when you come from a breakaway you've been in a whole stage in the break and they catch you on the last climb I mean that's that's a different speed that's another speed

and to be able to get in there and stay in there and he only got dropped with 800 meters to go I mean at some point I said is Carapaz going to hang on here

and and it's not he wouldn't have won but that's pretty amazing. I mean, it shows you what kind of engine he has. He's a fighter.

I mean, even there you see how much of a fighter he is just before they got caught. Like literally, you could see them coming for sure. He was hearing in the earpiece, they're coming, they're coming. We're still two kilometers, two and a half kilometers to go.

He's still attacked. He's still attacked. And it must. Yep. I liked that. I liked that. Yeah. So, I mean, I think, you know, if it's not one of the GC guys to win the pocket of Jersey, I mean, a guy like Carapaz, obviously it's, it's great. It's great for him and great for the race also to have, you know, if you, if so, the four jerseys, JB will be, will be won by ground tour winners. All four of the jerseys. Jonas. No, no, no, sorry. Sorry. No, no, no, no, not the green Jersey. Of course. The today and, uh,

Remco and got a pass all three grand tour winners and all the jerseys. Okay. Anything else from today before I wanted you to tell us about this time trial tomorrow? Cause when I look at the map of it, it looks kind of gnarly. Like there's some, a lot of hairpins and stuff like that, but was there anything else from today? No, no. Okay. All right. Well, let's talk about the time trial. Um, you know, cause I, my initial thought, and I love your thoughts on this is like,

you don't, you don't. So you, you all, obviously these top three guys want to win the time trial right but there's also a lot of risk on a time trial bike you don't want to go down and blow the whole thing so my question is to you will they be going 100 100 yeah i mean i, I guess today is probably going to go, he's going to not risk it all in the corners. He's going to go fast. I mean, he knows the roads, he lives there. I mean, he lives in Monaco, so that's where it starts. Um, and, um, and anyways, they all know this course and, uh, they are so used to their time trial bikes also that there's 15, 10, 15 years ago, you could say, well, you know, the, the, they didn't ride that much on their time trial bike, but nowadays they,

I mean, you can see it in the, in the cool down, they're always on their time trial bikes just to get used to it. Um, so no, those three guys are going to go. Um, so no, those three guys are going to go full gas, full gas. Yeah. This wins. I'm sure they earmarked this win. They've reconned it. It's also a prestige. It's a prestige victory. You know, like I'm, I'm going to predict Bogota for the wind. I mean, he's going to win the time trial.

It's just sheer numbers. They can't get close. I mean, they close, but I'm cool. When the first time trial, um, this time trial is harder. I'm especially seeing the speed on the climbs of Pugachar. It's just, there's nobody can match it. Um, so, so yeah, I think Pugachar will win and then Jonas and Remco will be second and third or, or depending in which, depending on which order, sorry, you could flip flop those two, maybe tomorrow. You don't know. Normally. I mean, listen,

you want us to destroy everybody in the time trial last year, right? Like destroyed everybody. It's not the same Jonas. That's not going to happen now, but, uh, he could still be up to me, especially because it's a hard time trial and he was not that far off the first time trial, which was more for pure specialists. So, you know, if you would have asked me yesterday and two days ago, I was, I would say Remco beats Jonas in the time trial. Now after today, I don't know. I saw a finger guard recover really well. And, um, I mean, he was, he was really, it was better than, than Remco today. So it's going to be interesting. Uh, any wild cards to watch for tomorrow, like Campanards,

maybe now another level. It's too hard. It's too hard. Too hard. Uh, plus, uh, I mean, what's also going to happen is because tomorrow you will see, um, I mean, I have no, uh, confirmed information. So, you know, on the, on the equipment, I don't know if they're, if they're going to do, uh, bike changes or, uh, because you know, the first 17 kilometers are basically uphill, but not steep uphill. You know, there's one steep uphill, it's about a kilometer long.

And then the other ones is like five, 6%. So especially the way these top guys have their time trial bikes dialed in and they're super light. I think they're going to go on a time trial bike, uh, the top three. Um, but you will see a lot of riders tomorrow on the normal bike a lot because they just want to, you know, relax, take it easy. It doesn't matter anymore. Uh, you know, usually, I mean, for somebody who is not a real time trial specialist and hasn't spent a lot of time on the time trial bike, you go better uphill on your normal bike and you go better downhill. You know, you're, you're, it's more safer.

So, uh, I think we'll see a lot of riders on a normal bikes tomorrow, but riders that are not going for results. You know, what's funny is usually a time trial late in the tour, you know, it's, it's usually the guys going last that are going to be the top competitors. Right. But tomorrow, if you want to set your alarm and get up early and watch Mark Cavendish, he'll be going off second. Yeah. And that's something I want to see. I mean, I know they're going to pull highlights and stuff like that, but I want to watch Mark Cavendish on the course. And that's something I want to see. I mean, I know they're going to pull highlights and stuff like that, but I want to watch Mark Cavendish on the course. And it's, one of our listeners asked if his teammate would try to help him be last

lantern Rouge so that he could go first. Okay. But it's a, it's a sauna teammate Bartoli who's actually going to go off first. So that's something fun to watch tomorrow. I'm so, I'm happy. So happy for that, man. Maybe we can get them on the show soon for an interview. Like it'd be good. Yeah. Yeah. You know, your legends, your legend series, maybe this winter, he he's going to be, he's going to be in a great mindset. He's going to, I mean, he's going to be retired. So he is,

we can call him now officially a legend, you know, because as long as you're not retired, you're not a legend. So yeah, that would be good. I'd love to hear from him. So, uh, okay. So there you go. Let's jump into Ventum trivia. The last one, this is going to take a little research. It's a tricky question. Uh, but yesterday's question was named five American cyclists, men and women competing in the road race and time trials and the upcoming Paris Olympics. Uh, Brandon McNulty,

Magnus Sheffield, Matteo Jorgensen, and for the women, Chloe Dygert. And I think it's pronounced Taylor nib, K N I B B. And she's also doing the Olympic triathlon. So that's quite, that's quite a hunter. Yeah. I'll have to do some research. Of course, we're going to be covering doing Olympic coverage too, but for road race and time trial. Today's question is in what country you might have to jump on socials and you can probably figure this out. In what country did Ventum CEO Dia Noir get married? It was just last year. So maybe go look at

his socials and scroll back i know i know i know the answer yeah send that answer to ventumracing.com slash the move it's the last day to enter deal will be with us on the show uh tomorrow to draw the name if you are in the market for a bike can't wait you want it you've been maybe shopping online and building it out you can do it now and save 20 20 off a new road or gravel bike it's a big savings and they have great tri bikes too if that's what you're into uh it's at ventumracing.com use the code the move20 and it'll automatically uh it by 20% there you go a couple of quick first a quick comment and then a one question for you Johan it says this is from mark he says hi on JB squared yesterday a listener asked for a book

recommendation the the best must-read book for any cyclist is called The Rider by Tim Crabbe. K-R-A-B-B-E. If you want to search for it. It's about a single race in Belgium and goes to the core of what it means to be a bike racer is how they described it. I know of the book. I haven't read it, but I'll check it out. Here's another one. There's one just started uh that i'm enjoying it's called it's called sprinting through no man's land endurance tragedy at the rebirth of the 1919 tour de france oh wow it's about 19. yeah so

basically they were it's about the promoter trying to put together the tour. The war had just ended. Yeah. Yeah. World War I. And even it's, it's, it's, it's daunting to think about because some of the writers who were going to compete, um, got killed in action. And then the ones that did compete, they only had like a month to prepare because they had been off. They had been off fighting. Yeah.

It's it's it's mind blowing to think about. So anyhow, that's by Aiden Dobkin, D-O-B-K-I-N, if you're interested. And one more question here. Patrick in California writes, Greetings, JB Squared. The source, the source of tour stage analysis. What the question is, what was the HC classification? Oh, I'm sorry. When was the HC classification introduced into the tour?

Johan showed a course profile from a previous tour and an HC climb from stage 19 of this year was listed as a cat one. Then did something change in HC classifications? Again, that's from Patrick. Interesting question, but you guys don't miss anything, do you? That's an answer. I don't know. I don't know. Um, I don't know. Um, I would, I would think, because I guess, I guess he's talking about the stage to, uh, he's a lot 2000 of 93. Uh, let me quickly get that profile. I'll tell you, uh, let me just see.

Yeah. This is something we just talked about on yesterday. It was yesterday, yesterday. So, so so yeah i have the profile here so uh hey i'm glad you guys are observing these graphics i put up all the bars so called i guess i guess he's speaking about call the vars which is strange because if you if you look at that profile uh i mean it's here it doesn't say hc but for example, called the Labo net is qualified. E that's good. And I guess, okay, now I see, uh, the profile is in Spanish. It's a Spanish profile. So E is a special, so special category. Oh, so it's called the Labo net, but called the vars, which was horse category or HC yesterday, is category one here.

I'm going to take a guess. I don't know exactly if it's true or not, but could it be that we came from the other side? That we did it from the other side. That could be potentially because of the steepness, because it looks steeper from the other side. That's the, that's the only thing I can think of, but I know again, it doesn't make any sense because in that particular stage that I showed, we did the cold Elisa war. Um, and that always has to be a HC climb and here's the cat one time. Um, so I, I really, I'm, I'm a bit, uh, I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Um, is it true? Like I've always, I always thought it was just a rumor, but maybe, you know, better than the way they came

up originally with the classifications was the gear the car was in. Is that a true story? That is true. That is true. So, uh, it was based on, uh, on a special, um, model, uh, Citroen car, uh, French car, right? French car, uh, deux chevaux, deux chevaux, deux chevaux means two horsepower. So this is a car. It had two horsepower. Um, there was plenty of them in, uh, how can a car move on two horsepower? If you would look it up, if you would look it up, uh, uh, Citroen, uh, car racing, these cars were actually also used to do, uh, on, on, on, on, on racetracks to do races backwards, backwards, because in reverse, because they go the same speed forward and backwards. So, so the, the qualification of, uh, of a climb was depending on which gear you have to be in to climb that, to go up that, uh,

at plan. So if you could go in third, that's it. That got three climb. If you have to be in to climb that, to go up that, uh, at plan. So if you could go in third, that's a cat three climb. If you have to be in first, it's a cat one climb. Makes sense. I guess the HC was the ones that they didn't get up. That's why then you just go backwards down the mountain. It's a really cool story. Cool looking car. It looks like a kind of like a Volkswagen kind of car. Uh, cool stuff. You don't see those in the U S I remember, I remember when I was a kid in

Belgium, we, we, we, we called it a goat, but a goat, like the animal. Okay. For some reason, somebody thought that that car looked like a goat or something. I don't know, but it was a goat. Not the greatest of all times, but the animal goat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Patrick, thanks for your question, Johan. Thank you very much. Um, you know, we'll, we'll, I think people should tune into the move tomorrow. Uh, cause we'll,

we'll get you on there. Cause I really want you on there with Lance and George kind of going through recapping this whole three weeks. I'll be there. I'll be there. Some of the best moments, some of the, you know,

who are the winners, the losers? Like I hate using the word losers, but you know what I mean? Who's walking away disappointed. Uh, there, there's,

there's a lot of teams that are leaving with nothing. Some big, big teams too. So you're, you're part of, I know two, I know two, I know three big I know two, I know three

big French teams that leave disappointed. I mean, Groupama, FDG, Decathlon, AG2R and Confidus. How soon when a tour ends, do you have to answer to management and sponsors? They have constant communication. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen, I've seen an interview of Mark Madu and he's already whining. So we can talk about that tomorrow. Okay. Favorite DS. Yeah. So catch that on. Is he the real animated one? Matty? He's just, he's yeah. Whenever you see a clip of him in the car or whatever, it's insane. No control. Okay. All right. Thank you everyone for tuning in with us this entire tour.

It's been a blast. Um, and we'll, Johan will be on the move. And then if we feel like there's anything additional we need to do on JB squared after that happens, we may or may not do that. Like if we cover it all in the move, uh, that's one thing, but if you think of things and like, ah, we should, we will jump on not do that. Like if we cover it all in the move, uh, that's one thing. But if you think of things and like, ah, we should, we will jump on and do it. We don't mind. And thank you, uh, Johan for all your, your great work this past few weeks. And we'll talk tomorrow first on the move. Okay. Thanks.