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Episode Date: February 13, 2026

Spencer Martin and Johan Bruyneel break down Remco Evenepoel's dominant Volta Valenciana victory and what it tells us about the upcoming showdown with the sport's major stars. They also debate how Jonas Vingegaard's coach abruptly leaving the team at the start of the season will affect the GC star, and what it means when combined with Visma's mounting issues, before wrapping up by discussing the news that up-and-coming Hollywood star Austin Butler will be portraying Lance Armstrong in an Ed Berger director/Zach Baylin-penned biopic, including who they think should play Johan. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team Hims: For simple, online access to personalized and affordable care for Hair Loss, ED, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://Hims.com/THEMOVE Mint Mobile: Ready to stop paying more than you have to? New customers can make the switch today and for a limited time, get unlimited premium wireless for just $15 per month. Switch now at https://MINTMOBILE.com/THEMOVE Arey Hair: Slow the growth of greys and get 15% off by using code THEMOVE at https://Arey.com    

From our side, we've never been able to tell our story. And it's not that it's going to be all, I mean, obviously Lance is involved in the project. But it's going to be, you know, the good, the bad and the ugly. Don't get me wrong. And so should it be, you know. But at least I think with some nuances which I think are necessary. Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin.

with Johann Bernille, as usual for our weekly show, where we go through the recent racing action and then talk about a little bit of news. Today, Johan, we're going through the Tour of Oman, Christian Scaroni, winning that for SDX Astana with his teammate Christian Rodriguez second. Remko Evanipal wrapping things up at Volta Valenciana, just like you predicted at the end of, or I guess, yeah, at the end of last week. And we have a big debate coming up after that. We're going to debate what's going on at Vizma.

is Jonas Findergarde already in trouble for the Giro to tell you. Before we get into that, let's just quickly run through these races. So Tour of Oman, how much of this did you watch, Johan? It's kind of a funny race to watch because it's streamed on YouTube, on like the Omani Tourism channel. It's actually a pretty good race the way they do it because they have the Muscat Classic that starts it. And then it goes, that's a one-day race separate from the stage race.

And then it goes into the stage race. It finishes on Green Mountain. which is a very big almost laboratory type climb. Maro Schmid won the Muscat Classic and then actually won a stage later in it. And then the final stage, I honestly thought Adam Yates was going to roast everybody, but no, the XTS Astana crew beat up on him.

Scroni wins. I think we talked about Scrooney a few weeks ago that this guy is unbelievable at winning early season races. What did you think about this one? I mean, it looks like Astana has picked up. up where they left it in the spring. You know, like it's the same team. Yeah.

Maybe a bit stronger even, I would say. Obviously, Christian Rodriguez is a great addition to the team. He comes from Archaea, I guess. And he already did some really good rides, good performances there. I mean, one, two in the queen stage and then one two in the GC. And I checked, I saw somewhere at the same time. they also won the two Asian championship titles. I think Yevgeny Federov won both the road race and the time trial.

Because Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan belongs to Asia. And they got on one day 1,065 points. On one day. So they're now number one ranked. Are we sure about that? Because I'm looking at the UCI rankings. updated 11 p.m. at February 12.

So that was last night. And they are UAE team emmerits, number one, 2,600 points. Astana, basically 2,500. Okay, well, maybe, maybe, I don't know what, so what would have happened that you a point? Yeah, like what points, well, I guess. But anyways, I mean, they're up there. But the thing is that they got 1,065 points in one day.

Spencer. And that's like, that's like equal to, is it, is it equal to a top three in a grand tour or something? Well, I mean, I don't know the points. The points are actually a really good question. I mean, let's do tour to France. That's a big race. That's going to have the most points. I don't think that would be top three, but it would be, well, no, you said 1,000 points. 1,065 points in one day. Yonis Vinegarh last year got 1,040, UCI, points for second place at the Tour France. Look at this. This is pretty amazing. Obviously

listen, the Asian championships with all due respect, you know, the level is not as the European championships or something like that. But yeah, I mean, good for them, you know. I mean,

Federov is double Asian champion. Is he going to ride in that jersey then the whole season? I guess so. I guess what happens if you're a national champion and a continental champion? I'll actually, you know what? I'll actually find out really quickly because I mean, we're going to see feather off inaction a lot earlier than that. But my son's new team, so he's in juniors, and there's a guest writer who comes from April to September from Kazakhstan and he just won the junior Asian championships. So he's going to race in

that jersey here in Europe. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, listen, Astana, they, what a start man. And it's like everything, Spencer. I mean, last year we said, oh, wow, you know, they're not going to be able to maintain this. They did maintain that level. I was one of them who said, you know what, they're going

to fall apart in the middle of the season. You know, it was not even close for their survival in the world tour. They kept winning. And this sets the tone again at Astana to, you know, everybody's super motivated, great atmosphere. When things work out like this, it tends to keep going unless you get injuries and illness, which we will talk about a little bit later. But yeah, I mean, good on them, you know. they're off to a great great start. This actually shows you maybe there's some flaws in the UCI point system

because Federov got 250 points for winning that race and a tour at a front stage win is worth less than that. So they might need to retool that. He won two titles. He won the road race and the time trial. And the time trial and the time trial was 70 points. So that's over 300 points between those two races. interesting. I mean, it shows you there's, they're like still thinking about this,

which is smart because points now are equal. Like it doesn't, points ain't gained at the end of the three year period aren't worth any more than these. So you might as well get a, I mean, this is such. I mean, if you do it, if you do great in year one, I mean, look for example, let's take the example of, of Lotto last, last season, 2025. They were already, because they did a great second year. And they, uh, they were up there in the middle of the ranking. And last year, they were actually not good at all last season. And they got back into the world tour.

You know, so you grade in year one and two, year three is, you know, you have a lot less stress, you know? Do you know who the third rank team is in the UCI points rankings? Has to be Red Bull. It's JECO. JECO. JECO. Yeah.

Like that is, That's important for them. Rebels 4th. That is big for Jako. As you say, to get off on a start like that, usually that sets the tone for the season. Yeah. Yeah.

And speaking of Jaco, Maro Schmidt, one. I mean, this might be the best I've ever seen Schmid. I know he won a Giro to tell you stage, but to win the Muscat Classic and then to win that stage, what was that stage three of the race, was really impressive. I mean, this guy is flying right now. He was already second in two down under also.

Yeah. Yeah. So, and he flew straight from true down under this race, I believe. Yeah, man. Nowadays, man, they're never home these guys, you know? No. No. I hope they flew in business class.

That's a tough flight. Yeah, I think so. I think so. And you imagine like middle seat economy. And it's like, are you ready to race? I hope you're ready, man. Adam Yates third. Do we read anything into this for you?

I actually thought it was a rare, non-win-filled weekend for UAE? I don't read anything into it. Adam Yates is obviously, you know, he's still good, but he's also at the end of his career, obviously, still good, but, you know, he didn't have that. I mean, he was trying and he was putting everybody in the hurt blocker. But, yeah, Scaroni just had that extra acceleration. Pretty impressive, actually.

Yeah. And then Adam Yeh just basically, you know, when he saw he could win, he got passed by Christian Rodriguez also. Still third. He is going to be one of the two protected guys, I guess, in UAE two or not, together with Del Toro. Yep. Which is obviously a bigger goal for them than Oman. But yeah, I mean, still up there. He's still third.

UA's last win was February 7th. A slump, a rare slump that they're in. Like three, four days ago. It's almost, we're getting up to a week. This is disaster at UAE headquarters. I'm curious to see. I mean, it shows you too, Christian Rodriguez. That's a smart little pickup.

Archaia goes under. They get this guy. He's really good. Like, seriously good rider. Yeah, now he's a very underestimated and undervalued rider. But he's able to be, I mean, not going to be with the top three, four guys, but when there's like 10, 15 guys left in the mountains,

he's usually there. Yeah, really good. So the Volt of Valenciana, you called this. I think last show was the day before the queen stage. You said Remko is going to destroy everyone, going to win. I wasn't so sure you can take a victory lap because he just destroyed everybody. In the most straightforward way possible, just had his team. The thing that impressed me the most about this was the team working together so seamless.

honestly. Like that's, they've not been together long and they look really cohesive and really good. Yeah. I mean, listen, they have full confidence in Remko. I guess this is already from the training camps that they did together. You know, they saw his level. I remember this one day in Majorca. They did, I don't know, I'm 270K or something at almost 40K an hour. This training ride. Do you remember that? Yeah. That's like really. really hard to do. Can you imagine being on that ride?

Yeah. I heard that the Belgians were obligated to COVID-Ramco. The Belgians on the team. The rest was optional. But yeah, listen, they have full confidence. And yeah, he just on Cumberdale Sol, which is this climb out of Morayra, which is where Van der Poole lives.

one of the pool lifts there on top I don't exactly know where but imagine having to go up there every day after your training rights I know yeah I don't know about that I want to live up there maybe he goes I mean maybe he has the car down

you know something after a seven hour ride having to go up there that's not that's not much fun no I was I was just on top of Mount Lemon in Arizona and I saw that at some point in the past, Mike Woods did on a training camp where he was on top of lemon and then doing rides where he would do like a hundred mile ride

and then have to finish up a two-hour climb. Which is what happens when you're on the Teida. Yeah. Or on Sierra Nevada. Same thing. You know, it's always, Sierra Nevada, I think you could also say it's probably,

it's probably also 30K. If you go come all the way down from Granada, it's probably a 30 kilometer climb. The Teida is, you know, either 30 or more, depending from which side you go up. And it sounds like if you're sitting here listening to the show, you're probably thinking, oh, I could do 30K climb and a 100 mile ride, no problem.

It's like I came back from that ride thinking, I don't know if I could do that. Like, it's got to be a sickening feeling, especially if you're shot, you got to climb 30K back. That's ridiculous. But obviously, it's a short. I think it's about 3K, maybe a little less 2.8K or, something but it's incredibly steep um and yeah ramco just it was you know nobody was surprised right so uh red bull started started to put the tempo from the very i mean the whole stage actually the whole

stage yeah it was a hard stage spencer i think it was 3400 meters of elevation total uh i mean for february that's early february that's uh that's hard and uh and yeah i mean then on the bottom of umbri d'esol they they they went full gas and remco took over at what one katev to the top yeah and he didn't even attack he just wrote everybody up his wheel didn't get out of his saddle and uh it was tiberi who could stay with him what like 150 meters probably and he was gone you saw it immediately because i mean there's a strong group it was ameda pelasari mignulty in that group and then tiber they didn't even try to go with them tiberi goes with them but you could tell within four seconds.

Yeah. It's like, this is not a good idea. Like, you're not going to make it. Yeah, I mean, you could ask yourself the question, you know, like, would it be better to not try? And then just create together these four guys and try to reel him in the last 10K. Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, but yeah, your Rensko goes fast also. That was the craziest part is, yeah, this guy rides everybody off his wheel.

doesn't even really stand up. And it's not a shoe. I knew I could have turned the TV off right there. Like I knew he was going to win, 13K to the finish. But in reality, it should not have been a shoe in because he has a group of four strong guys chasing him

and he's by himself. But I don't think he lost any time. Like, he was really impressive. He kept gain. I mean, he finished with 20-something seconds. On top, I think he was probably 10 seconds. And I'm made out a teammate with him, a strong teammate.

Yeah. Well, he did. We should say Evanapole had Pelazari, his teammates sitting at the back of the group, which as we talked about a few weeks ago, does cause problems. Because what if they pull Remko back? They know that Pelazari is going to attack them. And they've just done all this work. So. By the way, Belizari, you know, really, really good impression. Looks really strong. Did the last lead out to launch Remco's acceleration, I would say? we're not going to call it an attack and then didn't flinch you know just stayed with the with with the next guys you know it's not like he did the lead out and exploded he just stayed there yeah yeah no he's really good like better he's 20 22 years old looked I thought better than last year when he finished what did he finish at the he finished sixth at the volta and at the ziro and so that's definitely someone I would keep an eye on at the jure to tell you this year looks yeah no it's gonna be I mean, he's co-leader with Jay Hindley.

But, I mean, last year already in the in the Gero, Spencer, in the last week, I think he was the top two or three best climber in the Gero. I think I said on the show, I was like, is he going to win the Gero? Like, that's how good he liked climbing. And then he kind of struggled a little on the last day, but he's 21 years old at the time. So, first time riding G.C. in a grand tour, I believe. So the final G.C. The last day was kind of interesting, too.

we go into stage five. Did you see, there's a two-hour stage. That's ridiculous. 90-something kilometers, right? Must have been. I don't know if they shorted or because they did, they did kind of neutralize the time trial because of the wind. There was a race, but didn't count for G.C. I don't know if it was planned.

I couldn't tell. Yeah, I thought that that was a really 94K for a stage would be really short. Yeah. But it was kind of a, if it wasn't planned, it should. be planned because it was a it was like an always on stage because it's only 95k it looked like we didn't really see it there was a super strong breakaway eneos had multiple riders in it and then they crashed out which oops that's probably not how they planned that um and then they had ben turner chasing trying to win the sprint from behind but it looked like you a maybe broke like split the field

up because it was a really small peloton chasing that breakaway at the end yeah they tried I think they tried to surprise Remko, but in a race like Valencia, that's going to be very difficult, especially the last stage. Yeah, and fortunate to see AJ August, who was again in the break crash. And then was it, was it Turner and I don't know who the other guy was. I thought they had another guy originally in the move. No, Hayduk, Kim Hayduk. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, those roads, man, they were shiny, you know, it could be, it can be greasy over there. So, yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't wet and they, they, they just slid out. And so final G.C. was Remko having to pull first. Almeida, a second, 31 seconds back. Pelazari third, 34 seconds back.

Which also, Riley Sheehan from Boulder, Colorado, ninth overall. Good little finish for him, keeping on him. He's recovering from his injuries. Which team is here? He's on Innocent. And it's that rebranded IPT.

But Almeida gets second but it's kind of a like these gaps look close but it's artificially close because the time trial didn't count. So it's even more impressive

if you think about it that way Almeida gets his I believe he was second here last year as well to Santiago Boutrago if I'm not mistaken and if you think well what did we learn here

Almeida he's got a lot of racing left before the Giro Pelazari. I would would say the big takeaway for the Gere d'Italya's, I'm not so sure, actually, that it's Vindigard versus Almeida. I would be circling Pellizari as someone to watch because this guy looks like he's putting it together really fast in Almeida.

It's like still was struggling at points of like not in the right place, getting caught out in splits. Yeah, but it's early. Almeida is a diesel. You know, if you look at his program also, I'm going to guess he's going to do Algarve. Then he's going to do, what is he doing? Peresis or Tyrene?

Yeah, it's like a packed schedule. It's Algarbe, Perinise, Catalonia. Yeah, I mean, he's going to be ready for the Gero. I have no doubt. I mean, I'm not, I'm not worried about Almeida. He's going to be ready for the Gero. So here, this is a little bit, let's just acknowledge, before we get into this, Remko doing great, six wins in one and a half weeks.

Like, season can have started any better. But, Johan, did he show us anything at this race? that we didn't already know. Like, it was it, do we, has he added anything to the arsenal that's going to let him compete with Bagachar and Vindigard in 2026? I think this is Remko's level, that we,

we expected, you know, he himself said that he's not in top shape. I don't know if it was, I think it was a, the Belgian media. He said, you know, probably 85% it's difficult to, 85% of his top. shape. I don't know how scientific. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. He says he's now what is. He's on his typical weight of the spring. So, and I do agree. He's not, he's not lean like to the France lean yet.

Like he was two years ago. And he knows that. He said he actually said the same. He said, I can still lose some weight for the tour. I think the main thing is that, you know, he came in with a bang. his team believes in him. The atmosphere in the team must be amazing. And, you know, up to the next one, which is going to be UAE tour, right, for Remko?

UAE tour, it is, I mean, it matters, but it doesn't matter. But it kind of matter. Let's say he doesn't win UAE tour. Like, how does that really affect his career? Probably not a lot, but mentally, I mean, I would say the thing I was most, my big takeaway from this is, obviously we know Remco is real strong on rolling stages. Like, we didn't really learn that, but the team just looks like they're clicking. We didn't see Sudol QuickStep look like that, in my opinion.

Like, this is Remko on a far better team that he's been on in the past. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. For sure. Having said that, he's got to be able to, I think if he wants to be, he's got to be able to get those like 10 watts per kilo for two minutes and then hold seven and a half watts per kilo for half an hour. I'm not quite sure he's there yet, but we'll see.

And as we've talked about, it's not really a race against Bagachar. That's the wrong question of my opinion. It should be, can you be second behind Bagachar? I think, I think Remko's in, obviously, he's in good shape. We're going to see now against Del Toro, who's the number two in the world, right? In UAE. Yeah. He is number two in the moment.

That's kind of great. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. think is he are we already ranking him as a better writer than shawalamita probably i guess well there's more potential there's more potential they've both got second a grand tours last year we spoke last in the last show we spoke about him being in mexico at altitude um he's not at altitude he's uh i have a friend uh friend who sent me a message who listens to the show uh ex cyclist who uh i think think i think i remember him racing in belgium at some point um so he's he said he's been training all

winter at his hometown in senada at sea level hard trainings the local government has put at his disposal a van for his crew and a police car and a motorbike to accompany him every day of training jeez yeah that's pretty cool yeah that's really cool that's like then you're a star you're a star yeah That's a legitimate advantage too. Think of how easy it is for him to access. It's also a beautiful area. Like it just says. Yeah.

No stress. You know, like you train, you're in a bubble. Yeah. Which, you know, we see in Colombia, for example. You know, you see all these Colombian, right. We saw Uran and Niro and Bernal and they're all training with motorbikes around them because the fans are, it's like they're in a race. They're on the side of the road clapping, applauding. By the way, I don't know if you saw.

I mean, I watched the Colombian National Championship, Spencer. Wow. That was something else. Won by Egan Bernal. It was in his hometown, Zipakira. And it was at altitude. So there was a steep climb, 901 kilometer maybe, super, super steep parts of 20%. And it was above 2,500 meters.

the crowds were crazy. Like, not even the Tour de France. The Tour de France is nothing compared to the crowds. They were at the national championships in Colombia. It was unbelievable. Well, I guess remember like Tour of Columbia? Valta Colombia, it was a few years ago. And it would just be crazy crowds.

Yeah, like bigger than the Tour de France. Yeah, this was the same. This was insane. And then, you know, I mean, but now winning in his hometown was unbelievable. He was dropped, actually. He was dropped and it looked like he was not going to win because it was his ex-teamate, Ivan Sosa, who was the strongest on the climbs, dropped everybody. And then Bernal came back with three, four K to go. Let's say, man sprint.

Bernal's contract up at the end of the season. No. Well, yes. Actually, yes, but the negotiations are almost done for an extension. Well, yeah. Well, let's just say it's up. what would you offer him going forward he's 29 years old he's not a grant tour winner anymore but like eighth at lombardia uh won a stage of the welta 7th of the zero like on the open

market like if you just change his name to like i don't know like uh vindex d bar and he's a He's just a 29-year-old Anonymous writer. What is that guy worth on the market? You know, anonymous. You know, anonymous if you have those results. You're like, those are pretty good results. There's not many riders that can do that.

Yeah, but, you know, it's not, you're right. You know, like, it's there, the, the, the, I hope, I hope, you know, he could come back and I would love to see him on the podium of, for example, the Vuelta, you know, which I think he's aiming for, but yeah obviously his market price has gone down compared to for sure the this the long-term contract he had signed within aos a few years ago actually i think just before the accident he had yeah i think it was like months before the accident i think he had renewed for three years no yeah i don't know man i don't i have no idea i don't know what he's making i've heard he has a

really big contract uh north of two million but a lot more than 2 million. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to be disrespectful to Bernal. And, you know, I'm out of the market. You know, I don't know the prices anymore.

It's still going to be a really good contract, though. Because it's not just, it's not just, I don't think it's not just what he can bring in terms of results. I think it's also the respect Egan Bernal has within the team. he is extremely well respected and you know when when in hard races he's up there you know he's could be top five maybe podium winning is probably going to be difficult but you never know I think if we if you think about him as a grand tour winner or that is the goal it seems disappointing but what did we say a few weeks ago there's 40 riders won a grand tour stage last and he's one of those 40.

But, but, you know, Spencer, let's not forget, he won the tour and the Gero already. But that's almost like, that's a different person. You know, you always have to like separate that. If you look, Spencer, if you, okay, look at it this way in terms of Ineos. You look at the roster and I don't have it in front of me. So, but, but now you could say,

okay, it's very realistic to say, we're going to go either to the Gero or the Vuelta. And top five is a very realistic goal. Correct? Yeah. How many of those writers does Enaos have on their roster? There's not many. Like Oscar only.

Well, what about Rodriguez? It's been a while. Yeah. Yeah. You'd say it's a possibility. It's been top five in the tour, but last year was a disappointing season. Obviously, very, you know, very disturbed by a very complicated. collarbone fracture, which never seemed to heal.

You know, but I would put Bernal definitely in the same category as Rodriguez, if not better. I don't know. I think Bernal is still better. I don't know if they could get fifth of the tour. I don't know. Probably not. Probably not. there's also we we just longer so you know it's not because rodigis has had a bad season that

he cannot do it again you know he's definitely capable of being in the shape again when he was when he was fifth he was fifth no he was fifth yeah it's very good we also glossed over kevin bucklon who got seventh of the tour last year yeah so but even that like that's an exciting writer No, but listen, Bernal is better than Vuclain. Man, I don't know. He's, yeah, I think so. Bernal is a, what did he get at the wealth last year? 17th.

Seventh at the zero, seven to the zero. Seven to the zero. Well, I mean, Bernal got seven at the zero, Buckland got seventh at the tour. Okay. Probably seventh of the tour. You know, same thing with Vokalai. It's also younger, so definitely more room for improvement.

But I think Bernal is, they definitely keep him on the team and he's going to be on a really good contract out of respect for the writer he has been and out of the personality he is. He's a he's a demigot in Colombia. Do you almost not even have him, what's his worth as a stage racer versus. winning stages. He's actually a surprisingly good one day race or two. He's pretty good to get top 10 of the money. He knows how to race. He knows how to win races. He knows how to win a race. First of all, you have to be in front. Then you have to have that instinct to finish the job. And there's a lot of riders who are incredibly good. And they don't know how to win a race. A lot of riders like that. Yeah. To win, you know, this this winning smell, smell the moment.

of okay, this is it, you know? But now does have that instinct. Remember he was at the front of Class of Kayen and then crashed Broca's Colorado just last year? Like that's not an easy race to be at the front of it. I also accidentally cut it in front of him to make a coffee and he didn't say anything. So right there, pass the nice guy test.

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Raou Garcia, yeah. I mean, he was the strongest by far in that breakaway. It's a really strong rider. Also, you know, first year on Movistar comes from Arkega. Did already a really, a few really good races. Was, I think, a few years ago, he was Spanish champion time trial. He is, yeah, 2020. Yeah.

He's from Madrid. So I know because my son does a lot of segments and Raul has a lot of the KOMs. So my son, Christian, is always trying to get, you know, not obviously not close, but, you know, that's his, that's his benchmark, right? Raul Garcia is the KOM guy here. I mean, he has a brother who actually has a few KOMs also, Carlos Garcia. To be able to win a national championship time trial, but then fast. enough to finish off a race like that. Pretty good.

He knows how to race. The way he won that stage was pure like textbook. You know, like, waited when he had to wait. Whenever there was somebody going, was this German guy, no, Emil Gertzum, Herzog.

Herzog. Who was, I think, world champion juniors. Was it juniors? Yeah, world champion juniors, I think, in Australia, and Remko won. As a younger brother, who was one of the strongest juniors last season, by the way. But yeah, I mean, whenever that guy moved, he was there.

How do you remember the 2020 Junior World Championship? Am I right? You're right. How did you remember that? I even know who was second. Antonio Morgado. Yeah, that's right. You know, who was fourth?

Oof. No. Paul Monnier. Paul Manier, wow. Yeah. It's actually, if you want to lose an afternoon, go look at old junior world championship results. It's just, it's super interesting to look at. But third was Vlad van Mechler.

Van Mechler, who is now a professional on Bahrain. Bahrain. Yeah. Yeah. Is that, this is a Belgian guy, his dad runs the development. team of Bahrain out of Belgium. It's called Cannibal Barrein. Okay.

Cannibal victorious, it's called. Yeah. Yeah. But you know the last time Movis Star won a pro race before that? It's been a minute. It was the Dolphine June of last year. Was it the young guy, the Spanish champion? Yeah, like they're good writer.

What's his name? We can't remember. I know he's the boyfriend of Kate Ferguson. I didn't know that. Yeah. It's Ivan, well, Ivan Romeo. Ivan Romeo, yeah. World champion under 23 time trial in Switzerland.

Yeah. And then they also have not to be confused with Javier Romo, who also won a pro race, World Tour race last year. Yeah. Yeah. It's been since the Dauphiné. Wow. That's, wow.

Yeah. Yeah, but really, really good win of Faro Garcia. Really nice. And so our big debate, I'm going to make the case for why Visma Lisa bike and Jonas Vendegarde are doomed already. Obviously, I'm doing this a little tongue in cheek, but actually we kind of glossed over it last week and I went back and marked everything up and it's not going well so far. And I have concerns.

So let's the first thing that happened, Wattvinard crashed, broke his ankle in a cyclocross race. he actually seems to be recovering well. It might not be a big issue, but maybe won't be at full strength for the classics when he's going up against two of the best of all time. That's not great. Then Simon Yates, one of their key GC leaders

and domestiques in the mountains for Grand Tours, retires out of the blue. That's not great. And then Jonas Vindigard crashes on a descent, hurts himself enough that he pulls out of the UAE tour. How hurt is he? We don't really know. Is he sick?

what's really going on with the UA, like, that seems like we're still not at the UA tour. So it seems like if he's healthy, he could race it. I don't quite understand that decision. And then we find out this week is coach Tim, what's his last name, Hymskirk? Hemskirk. Yeah, yeah. He's employed by Vizumelisa bike, but he is the personal coach of Yonas Finnegard, leaves the team.

And Matthew Jorgensen. And the way this works, the team usually has coaches and each coach. coach has like a bundle of riders. Yeah. And most teams, including Bees and Malesa bike, have policies that you can't have an outside coach. So if he leaves, he can't continue coaching Jonas. Jonas has to have a new team issued coach now.

The reasons were a little, frankly, strange. This is not how I would have written the press release. His quote was over the past period. I've noticed I was struggling to continue applying my creativity and passion, which are important to me in my work as a coach. This is a moment for me to be honest with myself and the team. I look back with pride on the growth of the team, myself and the riders, including, of course, Yonis. In the coming period, I will take some time to myself and reflect on my future.

And he mentions Jonas there. He has coached Jonas to two Tour de France victories, a Volta victory, and three tour runner-ups, if I'm counting, right in my head, pretty successful tenure, and he's gone. At a really inopportune time of the year, and this means, along with Jonas's injury, His schedule going into the zero to Italia is he is now racing Volta Catalonia and then going straight to the zero to tell you. I went back. I cannot find a single rider with fewer race days before winning the zero in the history of the zero. The closest rider was Tadipagatra, 2024, who did one stage race, Catalonia, but he also raised two monuments in Remo and Lij, Beston Lij, plus Strata Bianchi, before that zero.

So there is a slight precedent, but this is not. this to me is a very blunted spring with a lot of disruption for Jonas Findergarde. What do you think about it? Yeah, I mean, listen, it's the two things that really stick out for me is, first of all, I mean, we've talked about it already a few weeks ago, is the sudden announcement of the retirement of Simon Yates. That was strange. You know, he must have his personal reasons.

and now at the beginning of the season, a trainer or, I mean, one of the key coaches who leaves the team. I mean, that press release reads a bit strange, I would say. We don't know. I absolutely, I have no information what's happening or what's going on. But it's strange. It's strange. You know, I can't, what do you say, can't get my creativity and my passion across or something like that. Yeah, struggling to apply his creativity and passion.

Which for a team that the knock on the team is that it's no fun to be there, I don't know why they would. Well, not fun to be there. I think that's relative. That's relative, Spencer. But obviously, listen, they have their system and we don't know. To me, it smells like there's been a conflict. There's been a conflict between the head management and the coach or the head of performance.

Who is? What's his name? at this rate he's climbing the ranks it could be Patrick bro who is the head of hold on as i'm going to look this up anyways i don't know where the conflict has been there's a conflict between this coach and one of his either the head man the general manager richard plug or the head of performance. Okay, listen, it's not the end of the world.

At this point, also Spencer, the coach is there for Jonas, for example, a rider who has already many years of experience, he's there to accompany him and somebody that the cyclist, in this case, Jonas and Matteo, they are accountable to, right? He's not going to tell them or teach them any more secrets. they already know what they have to do. And any other coach will come in and they obviously share information on the team. So it's not going to change that much.

It's, you know, the only thing that could change is the way that the person who will now be in charge of those riders who are left behind from, I mean, who are left without a coach, there's going to be a new coach. The only difference will be that the interpretation of the performance is different. That's all. They know what they have to do. And whatever this coach was planning for his writers is shared with the other coaches. So I don't see it as a big, big problem.

You are correct that there's not. So Matthew Heiber. Matthew Hebu, and you're right that there's no material information loss with this. Like it's just the, in the coaches, it's more of a personal, almost a therapist for the writers. So it's like on a personal level, maybe it affects Jonas, maybe not. But you know, a coach you have confidence in and you have been working, it's it's somebody who listens, who knows how to, you know, pick up certain signs. You know, okay, this is a bit off. But usually it's, it's a constant communication between

the writer and the coach and, you know, an exchange of information. And based on that, plans are often modified or adapted. Whatever, I don't know, is it, was he not able to adapt? or was he not allowed to adapt the plans of certain riders maybe, you know, if a writer has a program already set out from the beginning of the season and the coach see certain things in a rider he's coaching and say, oh, you know what, maybe he should start earlier, you know, because he needs some more racing or he should probably take some time off. That still needs to be validated by the management. The head of performance, the head of the Ds, and the general manager ultimately.

Maybe that's where there was a conflict. I don't know. I'm just guessing out loud, but something must have been going on there. The bigger concern for me is, I think you're right. There probably was some conflict. This combined with, you know, Moraine Zamen stepping away, was that a year and a half ago at this point? And then with the Simon Yates, these are oddly timed. The Moraine Zeman one was it weird?

that was really well handled. It was at the end of the year. Made sense. Good press release. The Yates departure in this, so you could not come up with worse timing for it. Yeah. It just makes you wonder.

Yates, I think in the Yates situation, I think the team was also in the dark. I think Simon Yates was, if I'm not mistaken, he did one training camp, right? And after that training camp, he said, you know what? I've now won the Vuelta. I've won the Gero. I've never going to win the tour.

you know, I've made my career. I earned good money that this is it. You know, I don't want to do this another year, another two years. He walks away from a big contract, man. I mean, it's like Simon Yates didn't go to Visma for peanuts. You know, he was maybe making more at probably making more at Jekal. But not making peanuts. Yeah.

He's not making him a lot less. So it must be something personal that say, hey, you know what? And this is it. You know, I'm done. And the team didn't know. The team didn't know. What do you think about this buildup to the Gero? You were saying offline that you don't think this is a problem,

this super blunted preparation with the one stage race going into the Gero? No, I don't think so. Spencer, let's go back to two years ago when Jonas crashed in the bus country, he didn't do any races and showed up at the Tour de France in amazing condition. I think this fits perfectly into Jonas is obviously a rider from a distance. I have the impression he's a guy who was able to prepare himself with specific training. Listen, if you're going to go full gas for the Gero and then want to be the best possible you can at the Tour de France, this is the way to do it.

altitude camps. His wife is not going to be very happy. And then, you know, one race, get into the Gero, probably not 100%, but good enough to not lose time and be at your best in the last week. The Giro's always decided in the last week, typically.

And then, you know, have enough left in the tank for the Tour de France. I don't dislike it. Well, I mean, They're definitely, if you don't dislike it, I mean, you're obviously, you have authority on this. So you should be the one people listen to. And the other big clue should be Pagotcha did one stage race before he went to the zero and did the same stage race. Ended pretty well in 2024. So I did think, oh, that's going to be, there's going to be some outstreet camps in there.

The projects around the house are not going to be getting done. Could be lagging. This is going to be a issue. The kitchen is already done. I think it was like Bradley Wiggins was like, you know, there is an argument to be made that if you're making that much money to ride your bike, you probably should be at a training camp. That's not an unreasonable ask. And the more I think about that, the weirder, I still can't believe that happened. Oh, you actually should want to be at a training camp.

I'm just like, why was that an issue? Yeah, that was a weird. That was a really weird, really, really bad-timed interview. Yeah. But I mean, you could be on to something here that they just do Catalonia, out to do camps, no problem. Let's not forget. He was planned to do UAE tour.

That was the plan. I don't, I still don't understand the not doing UA tour. Unless he's more injured than we think from the crash. The thing is. Spencer, we've said it already many times, many times, you know, like these guys, these top guys, the races they go to, they only go to the races, they want to win, and they think they can win. If now Jonas has been derailed a little bit in his preparation with the crash, maybe he's been sick, we don't know. The thing about Vizma is that, you know, they're not the strongest in communicating

what's happening with the writers. I mean, it's their right, you know, I mean, it's, it's, It's their right to. They don't have to. They have no obligation to let anybody know what's happening with writers or with programs. Or it's, you know, you can do whatever you want. But we, the fans and the media, it opens more doors for speculation, right? Why are, why? And if something happens and there's no explanation in today's world, then, you know, social media goes crazy.

Yeah. But they seem to be really good at distancing themselves from that and just keep focusing on their objectives. Listen, it's not a great start for Bisma, but for the moment, I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm a lot less worried than you are. What's funny is I'm often pretty critical of their communication and they're questioning their preparation. But if you really look at the stats, they just show up. Think of 2024.

Like not a lot of communication about Jonas shows up to the tour in pretty good shape. So it often works out for the best for them. Just sometimes I wonder about their communication. And yeah, maybe this won't be a problem at all. It is just a lot going on this early in the season. Let's take another quick break. And we're going to talk about another team having a hard time. And then who's going to play you in the Lance Armstrong movie that was just announced?

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but we said it at the top of the show. We said, oh, how you're doing now sets the tone for the rest of the year. I assume that works both ways. If you start off on a bad foot, it can be tough to come back from it? Man, when I saw that list, I just saw it on social media. It's unbelievable. 14 injured riders. That's, wow, you have 16 left. And, you know, usually what happens is that the beginning of the season is usually very heavy

because, you know, lots of races. Everybody wants the race. So they have double programs all the time and sometimes triple programs. grams. So, yeah, if you have only 16 riders left, that's going to be a problem. Now, we don't know if all those riders are now inactive or, you know, some have been some are sick. I mean, some of them have fractures, so they're out, right?

That's not good. So, yeah, I mean, that's definitely not a great situation to be here. Like Lawrence, Lawrence Rex, is that his first name? Yeah. Like he's one of the, he's one of their top one day riders and he's a, he's a fracture. So presumably he won't be in the classics. He was in that horror crash in Alula tour going, you know, crash. Yes, the super high speed crash.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, that was not good. Yeah. I mean, he got, he got eighth at Bruges de Pena last year, 10th at Perraubé. and that's a key writer that they don't have.

He was on Intermarshey. Yeah, he's a new signing. That's not great. Tim Merleer, you don't like to see this knee issues. That's never good. Yeah. And that's a key, key, key writer for them. Like, they're almost their whole team centers off of him.

So this, it's going to be tough to come back from that. I don't know. We have no notes on how to prevent this. It's just, I guess, unfortunate things on, it's an unfortunate byproduct of starting the season. Also, maybe we didn't. mention on the recording, but you'll notice where are all the big stars? Well, Remko Evanapult's out there racing. Mads Pedersen tried, got hurt, none of the other big stars have raced yet. This is

maybe partly why to limit the chances of crashes, my guess. Yeah, I mean, if you look at the, you know, all the, I mean, if you call the six, the six big names that say you have Bogacha, Jonas, Remko, Mathieu, Van der Poo. Wout I still count him as one of the big names and who else do we have left and del Toro?

We used to count Primos but he's now the forgotten man. Wow. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, wow. Yeah. Yeah. He's been quiet. He's been quiet. He's been very quiet. Yeah. Very quiet. Too quiet. We're surprised if all of a sudden

he shows up and just, you know, like pulls one out of the bag, you know. Yeah, me too. Anytime you don't hear from Primos, you should be expecting big things. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, they all chose to, I mean, it's only Remko who has started the season for the moment. I mean, soon it's going to change, right? Although, I mean, now with Jonas delaying his start, Polachar, not starting his, the first race is Strada Bianca, right? Yeah.

Yeah. That's still almost a month. What about Vanderpul? Yeah. I mean, he plays it by ear, man. There's no races listed on his program. I think was it last year or two years ago, all of us like three, four days before this race in Belgium Grand Prix summit,

he said, yeah, I know, I'll start. It just shows up and wins, you know. So it's going to be the same. I heard somewhere. or read somewhere that he might actually start his newsblood as his first race. That would be cool. That would be cool. Yeah.

Very cool. That would give us some spice to the early season. The Lance movie, it's kind of funny because we've known about it for a while. And then now it's in public and it's a big deal. Obviously, it is a big deal because those are big actors, big personality being portrayed. Big story. I'm sure. Big director. Great writer as well.

well, super nice guy. And obviously, Austin Butler is a very popular actor at the moment, moment, too. Oh, Austin Butler is just to confirm, Austin Butler is going to portray Lance in the movie. Lance, but that's all we know in terms of actors so far, that Austin Butler is portraying Lance. We don't know any other actors. Who do you want to portray you, Johan? I don't know, man. I haven't even thought about it.

I mean, I have no say in it anyway, so. I don't know. All I know is that... George Clooney. No, no, no. All I know is that the movie is going to be the story from... told from another perspective.

And because, you know, there's been a lot of writing documentaries, whatever in documentaries, so-called documentaries. Then this movie there that Walsh made, based on his book, you know most of them i haven't watched them but i do know i do know that there's a lot of uh facts and events that haven't been told or they have been told but not in the right way um you know so i think this is uh i'm excited for this man it's it's it's going to be it's going to be a really really big big production and uh yeah i mean then afterwards people people can think what they want, right? But let's say from our side, we've never been able to tell our story.

And it's not that it's going to be all, I mean, obviously Lance is involved in the project. But it's going to be, you know, the good, the bad and the ugly. Don't get me wrong. And so should it be, you know. But at least I think with some nuances which I think are not, necessary to really give the people. Because, you know, and I see this every day. I mean, I've never seen it in person, but if I think about myself, for example, you know, I've also been portrayed by this famous USADA report, the reason, I call it the unreasoned decision.

It was more written like a novel or like a sensational report. And this was not an objective report. You know, I've been portrayed as a really, like the devil. And I know I'm not, first of all. And I know, anyways, whatever people think, there's a, there's a, there's a small minority who keep thinking that. I've struggled with that for a while, for example, but, but, you know, I've turned that page. And as long as I know that the people who know me and who are around me and who I care for and who care about me know who I am. know who I am and how I am.

That's usually the way it is. And with Lance is the same thing. So obviously the haters are not going to like the movie, right? We already know that on beforehand. But that's not the point. I'm excited about this. I'm really excited about it. I think it's going to be really good.

But I don't know who's going to portray me. I have no idea. Johann Bernal confirmed not the devil. I can vouch. I would say that's a fair representation. It's kind of funny. You mentioned that. Before I met either you or Lance,

I was like, man, these guys are going to be jerks. Like based on, you know, just based on the reason decision. Yeah. No,

not true. More nuance in real life. Who knew? I will say probably the template would be Wolf of Wall Street. Jordan Belfort, polarizing character. But the story's told from his perspective.

And you just add nuance by doing that. I think you could walk away from that movie thinking many things about Jordan Belfort, but you have a clear picture of his life. I would assume that's the same thing they're going to try to do. I think something people don't fully realize is how young you guys were when this happened. I was hearing the Lanchun Rouge podcast talk about the casting. I don't think they understand unless my calculations are wrong. You were 41 years old in the last Lance Tour de France win. Is that right? Yeah, I guess I was 34 when I, when, when, when, uh, my first-year director.

Wonder boy. That is crazy. That's unbelievable. I also listen to that, to that part because it had been pointed out to me that they had been debating in the Lentern Rouge podcast. I think they're a bit off topic. They've been naming names, characters who they think are way too important in the big picture of our story.

But we'll leave that for later. and probably true no comment i would also say they're way off i think they're just miscalculating the ages like of how old everybody is like george hincappy they were like oh george cluny's going to play george hincappy yeah cluny's probably older than george hinkabby currently special effects i would love to see like cluny from oceans 11 just the this character ever playing George and Cappy, that would be unbelievable. And I am actually quite curious to see he's going to play you guys. I think it's going to be people we don't know because we don't know that many actors that age.

You know, I think it's going to be cool to see who they unearthed. Also, it's why actors are actors and we're not, they can pick someone that doesn't necessarily, like they don't have to look like someone and they just become them. It's super impressive. Sure. Yeah. And the guy who played you in the program, pretty good. Shout out him.

That's actually funny. I mean, I have a funny story about that, Spencer, because, you know, that's a whole different movie. But I think it's probably more than 10 years ago now. Yeah, it's definitely more than because I was still living in London. So this person who was portraying me a French actor called Denny Menoschet, who was also, who had also a role in glorious bastards, for example. Yeah. He actually contacted me before they started shooting.

And he wanted to have a meeting with me because he says, you know, I usually do this. I want to really get into the personality. So we made an appointment that we were going to have a meeting. And he was actually two days before the meeting was, and this was him personally reaching out to me. And the, And the whole crew or the production team didn't know anything about this.

And two days before the meeting, he messaged me, he said, hey, we can't meet because they found out and I'm not allowed to meet with you. Which he was really pissed off. And then afterwards, I spoke to him after the movie. after the movie came out already. And he told me that he had refused to watch the movie. He didn't agree with the script because he had done his own research, right? And he didn't agree with the script. He just played his professional role, but he refused to watch the movie.

Coincidentally, exactly the same thing happened with Ben Foster, who portrayed Lance. Interesting. He did not. Ben Foster hasn't, didn't want, I mean, maybe he watched it later, but straight after when it came out,

didn't want to watch the movie. The guy did, for not meeting with you, they're pretty good job. It's pretty weird. It's weird to watch it. He's that good. And another actor that I don't think was that big at the time,

but as big now is Jesse Plemons, played Floyd Landis. And pretty good in his, I mean, he kind of looks like him, I guess, which helps. But yeah, like that, looking back,

like, that's quite a stroke of luck for the production to get Jesse. Yeah, I mean, one thing is, you know, find lookalikes, but, you know,

Spencer, with all due respect, and I, I'm allowed, and again, I'm allowed to say it. If the movie is shit and that movie was shit, it's not going to be a good movie.

You know, it's been, it was a failure. And, you know, it was based on, on completely David Walsh's story. It was him.

one-sided and it was a it was a shit movie so uh this one's going to be much better much better yeah i mean it's hard to to think about the premise of that movie to like lance is the center point of the movie but then there's nothing from his perspective really which is going to be a tough assignment to make a good movie that way yeah um yeah i'm excited to see it i'm excited to see who plays you. Can't wait. When I find out, I'll tell you. Are you guys going to be like, I hadn't really thought about this at a movie premiere? I have no idea.

You know, I know very little about it, Spencer. I mean, I spoke to Lance a bit about it, but I have no details. So I don't know. And I don't know if we said it, but the director, Ed Berger, just directed Conclave, which was a massive movie. But he also did a show, a German, show called Deutsche Land 83. This is a long time ago, like 10 years ago.

Very good show. I highly recommend watching that. Great director. Yeah. Anything else, Johan. And we have, we should update people. We have racing coming up. We've been talking about, I feel like we've been talking about the UAE tour for four weeks at this point.

We've toured El-Provance over the weekend. And then UAE tour starts on Monday. The Rimcoe-Havenopold Ezekd-Dal-Toro showdown with Adam. Yes. Also there. And then it gets busy. It's UAE tour. and then in the middle of the UA tour,

Algarve and Andalusia start. They all finish on the same day, Sunday the 22nd, and then we'll have a show wrapping that all up on the 23rd. But we'll talk next, at the end of next week, and we'll be in the middle of the UA tour,

so we'll have Jason to talk about them. Okay. Thanks, Spencer. Speak soon. Thanks. Bye.