THEMOVE - The Momentum has shifted ft. Sir Bradley Wiggins | Tour De France 2024 Stage 11 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

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With less than 30k to go, he had two teammates there, there was what, the group was down to eight or ten riders. All he had to do was conserve that lead, really. We're going to have harder days ahead of us. I don't know what he expected to gain from that. Maybe another 30, 40 seconds on his closest rivals, but it shows a weakness in his confidence. And that's quite a big statement to say about Tadej,

because we've become accustomed to him racing in this style, and that's what makes him so great, and that's why everyone loves him. But I tell you what, Jonas Vingegaard, he's a tough cookie. And today we, they asked the question at the end there to Taddei, did you,

have you lost a psychological battle today? And he says, no, I don't think I have. So it's on his mind, but his whole interview was full of contradictions. Yeah. All right, everybody, welcome back to the move podcast actually today i have

renamed the podcast today it's not called the move podcast today it's called the momentum podcast because the momentum folks i like it just shifted if you didn't watch the race, you probably felt it, but anyways, whatever you want to call the podcast each and every day, brought to you by ketone IQ. We'll get into that later. Talking about stage 11, Alan. Stage 11 from Evoliba to LeLorient. From Evoliba to LeLorient. From Évo LeBun to LeLorient. What? I just said it. The momentum shifted. Jonas Vingegaard, folks. Big day.

Maybe the biggest day of his tour career. This was a huge day. And since we're on Peacock today, I feel like I need to make a reference to an iconic American movie. Today was a Rocky Balboa heavyweight title fight. I mean, yes, Pogacar was throwing uppercuts, jabs the whole way through, drew some blood on Jonas on that third to last climb, attacked, rode away. We thought he was almost done. Jonas starts clawing back.

Roglic catches him. They work together. They close the gap. Gets the second to last time. Catches him. Let's him. Not lets him, but loses the bonus sprint. Eight seconds, which at the time, right now, is very important in sprint. Descends down with him, taking mad

risk. Obviously, Jonas took less risk on that third to last descent. But then comes down to the finish and we're wondering why is Jonas pulling well he had the energy sprints across the line for first place I in my mind I thought Jonas was about to start screaming Adrian I mean that's what I was thinking that was the type of day we witnessed today Bradley yeah I mean that was um it was a strange of day we witnessed today. Bradley. Yeah. I mean, that was, um, it was a strange stage as well. I did not expect that to happen. Nope.

Um, you got two teammates there, Adam Yates and Almeida 30 K to go. And we see him attack on that climb. And, um, we talk about burning matches, all this tour de France,

every tour, um, every, a lot of races. And, um, today I think that was a actually. And today, I think that was a man who I thought, I don't know,

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got plopped in and you hadn't paid attention, you would have thought he was a minute 14 behind. This just doesn't, I don't know what's going on in the team car. I don't know what's going on in the team meetings. He's got four riders in the top 10. It's a hard stage. It's a very hard stage, but this is not a make or break stage for the life of me. And I can only imagine what the Spangali, Johan Bernil, is thinking right now. The master tactician going, what is going on? This makes absolutely no sense.

It made no sense at all. Zero sense. Go ahead, Brian. No, it was just less than 30K to go. He had two teammates there. There was what, the group was down to eight or 10 riders. All he had to do was conserve that lead. We're going to have harder days ahead of us.

I don't know what he expected to gain from that. Maybe another 30, 40 seconds on his closest rivals, but it shows a weakness in his confidence. And that's quite a big statement to say about Taddei because we've become accustomed to him racing in this style and that's what makes him so great and that's why everyone loves him. But I tell you what, Jonas Vingegaard,

he's a tough cookie. And today, they asked the question at the end there to Taddei, have you lost a psychological battle today? And he says, no, I don't think I have. So it's on his mind. But his whole interview was full of contradictions. It was delusional. He said in the interview that I thought it was a good day.

I don't know how anybody sits back and looks on that day and says, you know, that was a good day. It wasn't. You noticed something, George, as well on the podium, didn't you? Well, yeah, before I go to that, I do want to elaborate on what you guys said. We're huge Tadej Pogacar fans. The guy is a freaking rock star stud. But just watching today from the beginning, 50 kilometers an hour,

in the first 80K, the ballers of breakaway ballers made the breakaway today. Caro Potts, Ben Healy, Tergiz, Lunsenko. the first 80k the ballers of breakaway ballers made the breakaway today carl potts ben healy turgese um lunsenco i mean the guys that spend their whole year thinking about making these breakaways in the tour de france winning the stage in a type of stage like today my point is you're pissing these guys off for no reason yeah you're keeping them at under two minutes you're in the yellow jersey you can just let some i mean not let this is a tour de france everybody wants to win but you're making enemies these guys are not going to want to help you in the next 10 days because why are you racing like

that secondly you're pissing your teammates off yeah like you pointed out you have three guys in the top 10 that can potentially easily stay there or move up you're burning them up riding away from them and then you're burning yourself up. I mean, the whole thing, we're watching it unfold. It was one of the most exciting stages. But who's making these calls? Is it Taddei or is it the manager? Pissing people off and losing a huge psychological battle, in my opinion.

Bradley, I think it's a fair question, right? Yeah. There's sort of three steps here right there's the team meeting right this is what we're going to do today now you can plan all you want there's 200 guys in the race it's an open road who knows what's going to happen they're going to start fast they're going to start slow who knows then there's what what happens real time right and they're saying you know that's where the mistake comes in because you can plan all you want and those everybody's really smart in the team meeting.

Everybody. They've got the perfect tactics. You get into the race, and when the shit happens real time, do they have control over him? Because they could say, you know, sit in, sit in. You have a one-minute 14 lead. Let Jonas open up the race. He's behind.

Let him attack. They can say that real time. Whether or not Tade has the self-control to do that, I think that might be the issue. Well, it's the responsibility of the director to have that control. I mean, yes, you had a ton of say on the team, but ultimately if Johan said, Lance, what the hell are you doing? Sit up, wait, you would do it.

We ran into one of his directors in Tour of Flanders last year. And the first thing he said is like, we can't control the guy. He wants to win every race. Well, a race like the Tour de France and the position you're in, you need to be in control. Yeah. You need to rely on your teammates and your, your support staff. Look, I think it's, I think I always think it's great to have a strong willed and strong headed leader, right? That partnership, that relationship between the leader of the team and the director of the team is a collaboration, right? So, but if there is an equal, if you're, if you sort of have a strong,

you have to default to the director. He's the, he's, it's his job to control the tactics. And let me remind everybody listening, right? Machin is in the car doing the tactics. When is the last time Tadej Pogacar rode a perfectly tactical tour to france it was when alan piper was in the car right so they had this collaboration but this the tactics were different what we saw on the road was very differently alan piper by the way he's right up there with johan bruniel yeah he really is yeah and so but he is not in the car, that to me is the single biggest difference.

Did you guys see how before the attack, Pogacar was trying to get some attention? I think he was maybe looking, he passed on water. He was maybe looking for some nutrition. And then, you know, then he attacks and yeah, it's just like, was he just bonking? That's when he was getting reeled in from Vingegaard. And I assume, I'm guessing he thought perhaps his team car was there. Look, the motorcycle with bottles is either water or some tour-provided hydration mix. That's not what he was interested in.

He had the stuff he's used to that he knows works. And that wasn't there. He couldn't get that at that point. And he waved off the motorcycle. Nonetheless, he was looking for something like I mentioned before. I mean, these guys have their nutrition so dialed in and so precisely planned that many times if they happen to miss a bottle from one of their staff on the side of the road, their whole game might be over. And he might have missed it. Who knows? But these guys are scattered throughout the whole day. They know exactly where they're going to be.

And like we mentioned before, if you're eating on the podium of the Tour de France with a mouthful of food, ham, cheese, whatever it was. While you're receiving the yellow jersey. You've never seen these guys eating while you're receiving the yellow jersey. Never been seen before. That means you completely cracked at the end and you're just trying to get whatever you can to recover. I mean, a mouthful of food on the podium.

He was chewing. He was chewing. Don't see a lot of folks chewing, putting on the yellow jersey. No. Wow. Wow. Wow. We're all speechless.

Yeah, we are. I mean, it kind of, and as we sit here and reflect, it was, we were speechless watching, but as we reflect on this, it's a head-scratcher. Yeah, but I'm going to say that that is going to be a decisive moment in the Tour de France. I agree. Yeah. I agree.

I think a lot of folks agree with that. I agree. And not to mention, right, if we had gone, we could have polled 100 people to follow the sport. You said, here's the finish, right? It's the last kilometer is five. You would have had to follow the sports. And you know, Pogacar is fast, very fast.

All right. So here's your hypothetical finish. The last kilometer is 5% uphill. There's two guys. There's Vingegaard and Pogacar. Vingegaard leads it out and venga guard wins yeah nobody would have taken that bet nobody well that shows i mean that that he that was another thing that he said wasn't it pogachar and he says i i did a pretty good sprint today you know after a

day like that there's nothing good about it he lost yeah not only not not only was he and he didn't lead it out yeah heart half-heartedly trying to maintain the gap between remco and uh and roglic by staying on the front yeah but he had the confidence he just kept looking back he was clearly going for the stage when thought you know i had the confidence in his legs to be able to pull off a really tough sprint after such a the longest stage of the tour de france thus, and be able to beat one of the best, well, definitely the best climbing sprinter in the world. Yeah.

And he rode Roglic off the wheel as well, didn't he? Yeah, he did. He got stronger as the stage went on there. He really found himself. But that was incredible. And I think that's, as I say, a decisive moment. Yeah. And let's back up a bit.

I mean, he did drop Jonas on the on that third the last climb he rode away from but we saw yonas claw back to like four or five seconds and then yonas put the time on the descent what does that mean the yonas risked his life going down that descent i mean not yonas sorry poca char risked his life going down the scent yonas perhaps went back went down a bit more conservatively uh obviously after all he's been through being in the hospital for so long and then just settle to a pace and brought him back slowly on that second climb. That was just, I mean...

And Taddei ended up sideways on that descent at one point, didn't he? He did. So he was taking a lot of risks. Yes. Look, there's tortoise in the hair. I never understood. Like growing up,

when they make you read about the tortoise in the hair, I said, there's no way. There's just no way. I mean, the tortoise has to lose every... Come on. I'm not stupid. Tortoise loses every time. Well, I don't know. If you keep reading the book, I guess the tortoise wins. I mean, you have

to... By the way, he was 11 seconds down at the top of that climb and he was 30 seconds down at the bottom. So yes, he rode conservatively, as he should. He's still scared to death. We saw the cannon he got shot of shot out of in the bass country he's he's cobbled together yeah and um but it's like he knew right let me just stay here by the way you have to i think you have to know and you also kind of have

to hope i mean if if pogachar hits that climb and lights it up like he did the other climb well then you lose a minute. Yeah. Right. But you kind of have to gamble, say, eh, let me just ride my tempo and I'll hope to bring him back. And as the time starts to come down, then you're just putting the jewel on the fire. But the other thing I think that contributes to that is we saw the little clips from the radio where we saw what the DSs were saying to him. Jonas's DS was very calm, very collected and said, Jonas, Jonas, still a few seconds down,

just keep at this pace, manage your effort. And I thought that was great direction from the DS. And that's the contrast to what we're talking about with Macha and Pogacar. You know, it's the differences.

And Jumbo and Visma have got, they're well-trained at this. They're skilled experts at this kind of leading grand tours and getting their guys over the line. And that might make

the difference as well, like we said. And maybe the disconnect, I mean, this is not a criticism of Benchim, the director. I think as we talk about this, it's pretty clear. The disconnect is between what goes on in the team meeting, what the direction is in the race, and how somebody listens. Like that's not...

But even his interview at the end with Christian Van Der Beek we were watching, and Christian even said it on the TV, didn't he? He said a lot, but he didn't really say a lot. And he stood there like a grinning Cheshire cat. It's all ego, and there's nothing. There's no context. There's no content to what he's saying. Yeah, and in the contrast, we saw the emotion coming out of Jonas.

I mean, just bawling, crying, thanking his family. I'm sure thinking about his time, about his time in the ICU, went through a lot of apparently mental issues, obviously as you would going through something like that, but just, we've watched them just every day, get a little bit stronger, a little bit more confident.

It was funny when the gravel stage, when he got criticized for not pulling through from the riders near him. Well, I don't think that, I don't think that criticism makes any sense anymore because he's racing for the win. He's not racing for the podium. He's going for the win.

And it's all right, though. Like you said, that DS at Flanders saying, you know, we got no control over him. He wants to win every bike race. Well, at some point, you know, he's nearly an adult now. You could have rang him in and said, get your fucking head out of your ass. Because this is a Tour de France,

and you could win your third Tour de France. It's not a game. This is a juvenile racing. And by the way, could have won other tours. Yeah. Let's keep in mind. He's got two. This might have been the third.

The other two, we can go, everybody can go back and look and armchair these things. I mean, you could make the argument that he lost those tours by doing the very same thing. And he's on the verge of creating history. He could be the first rider

to win the Giro Tour double since Spantani. Yeah. So it's not a laughing game and someone's got to rein him in yeah wow strongly said sir bradley you mentioned while we were watching uh you know that the giro's in his legs yeah do you feel like that's well we don't know but he's certainly not helping that is he you know yeah uh let me try this with you guys because if you saw a pagachar cooling down he had a face a stone face like he was calculating probably all the mistakes he made that day do the best you can to say put yourself in his shoes and jonas's shoes what are they thinking right now start with pagachar both

i will if i can jump in that that second to last climb when pagacha made the the time gap to 32 seconds he's starting that climb with confidence you could tell he's starting to rock a bit more so perhaps losing a bit of energy starts looking back the directors tell him 30 seconds 29 seconds we're counting from the tv mentally that's a huge blow that's a huge blow and and you could just see in his face and at one point he sort of gave up and said at least I'm going to try to get this time bonus and a guy that has dominated

from the first stage of the Giro up until arguably now to all of a sudden not being able to ride away from anybody it changes a completely different mindset now moving forward for the rest of the Tour de France. And when he started looking around on that climb that's always a sign isn't it terrible yeah yeah look if if if you're fogachar on that cool down bike to your point jp and i'll add to it losing a sprint from the back right yeah

that's that's look this was an all-around terrible day for him i don't care what he says in the post race interview that interview was complete nonsense i get. He's a good guy, very lovable, likable guy, says all the right things. That was not a good day. If you're there cooling down, and if he's not thinking this, somebody needs to tap him on the shoulder and remind him this. You got a minute 14, right?

This race can still be won. And if you... I will say this. If he rides the perfect race from here on out he will win the tour de france if he rides like he saw today he will absolutely lose the tour de france it is not his job to attack the race he's in an excellent time trial he's gonna be fine in the time trial in nice by the way we're just halfway through this thing and i'm gonna get

into what the last 10 days hold it is i can't even believe what i'm reading is diabolical but it's not his job to open up the race if i'm him i'm going all right that didn't work the guy has recovered momentum has shifted now i'm going to sit it's a rope-a-dope i'm going to sit back and say you want to win the tour yonas okay put your team on the front and you attack i'll be right here let me know let me let me ask you both of you guys a question you guys have both won the tour de france in what scenario would you ever want to get rid of your best climbers before the last climb or the second and last climb why would you want to do that there's danger there's danger on the descents there's danger of having kinds of issues crashing well

he had three guys with him and they still had three climbs to go would you would you guys ever do that if you were that good you would make the way to the last time as far as 100 but i can tell you what he was thinking what he was thinking was he attacked on definitely the hardest climb of the day number one number two he knew that he would put time into him in the downhill and number three which was a mistake he thought he could keep that advantage or gain more time on a climb that was much easier than the one that he attacked on. Now, you know, it didn't work out. Right.

And then to Bradley's point, I tell you, folks, isn't yet another PSA from the move. When they start turning around and looking back, you got them. Yeah, we're coming. Yeah. And he needs to he's going to need his team more than ever now. And I just feel like if it was me and I was in that position, I'd be like, why are we doing this? Why are you attacking right now?

Why are you taking these chances away from us? You actually did say that a lot when we raced. I was never in that position. I wasn't riding with you to the end of the stage on the mountain. Special shout out to Remco. He suffered through and had a decent day, right? It looked like it was going to Roglic crash. Didn't seem like that bad of a crash.

Roglic tried. Roglic, you know, we were pretty excited. We like this guy. Can I ask you something about the Roglic crash? They gave him, they used the 3K rule and gave him the same time instead of losing 30 seconds. I didn't know they would do that on a mountain finish that will be adjusted that's that then that's normally just for sprints i mean look they did it it is not going to matter when it comes to winning the tour but um that saved

him 30 seconds i think that gets adjusted you think that i guess I guess, he'll end up losing that time? I mean, an uphill finish. I would. The race officials later adjusted the time. They're not adjusting it. If they readjusted it to the rim coast time. Okay. That's actually huge. That might come in or be a factor when it comes to this conversation about who ends up on the podium.

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G'day. Speaking of Captain Z's, the man over here took a two-hour nap the other day, which in itself is quite impressive. But for me, the more impressive thing was he set an alarm for two hours, and he actually used the whole two hours. Who sets a two-hour nap alarm? You give me shit for taking that. You set a two-hour nap alarm.

No, it's supposed to be 20 minutes, and you hit snooze over and over. I get 20 minutes, 30 minute timer. I get it. Two hours. No, no, no. Well, I, I, I can sleep any, anytime and anywhere. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter the surface.

If there's a pillow or not, but it doesn't matter. And, but I had a dinner meeting and I knew that I couldn't oversleep my nap. And so I just, as a safety net, I set the alarm. I said, well, I'll set it for two hours from now. And, of course, I go to sleep in a heartbeat. And sure enough, man, that alarm went off, and I was like, jeez, I just napped for two hours. That's actually called going to bed. You went to sleep.

That's not a nap. At that point, it's not a nap anymore. That's like my wife. She bed. You went to sleep. That's not a nap. At that point, it's not a nap anymore. That's like my wife. She's like, I had a great night's sleep. I was like, yeah, what's the sleep score? I slept two hours. I was like, that's a nap. Talk tomorrow? Well, we can talk about it.

Tomorrow's interesting. Yet another. Well, I think on paper they'll say this is a sprint stage. We can look at the pro ball, but I want to go into the second half of this tour just real quick because I think it's important in light of what we saw today in terms of matches burned, momentum shifting. I'll give you some stats on the back half of this tour that's going to blow you away.

But here's tomorrow's stage. Not short, 203 kilometers. And look at that start. That's a sucky start. Filthy start. Filthy. Not fun. These guys are tired.

A lot of guys sick. What did we see? Bradley, what did we see? Yeah, two riders withdrew today, covetous. Yeah. Fred Wright was outside the time delay. Yeah. Apparently something's going on.

Yeah, I assumed Fred is quite, must be sick of some reason. And there was a rumor that remco had something going on really yeah that was the rumor i heard this morning getting the scoops uh our profile went away sorry anyways do we see us maybe we see a breakaway stay away tomorrow normally yeah i mean that's normally the it's that's what he's gonna be but. Yeah, can we go back to the profile? Maybe you're going to keep it together. Yeah, I mean, certainly going to be a breakaway from the start. But if there's some good sprinters left, they're going to get together after 80K, after those hard little climbs,

and try to reel back that breakaway. It just depends how big it is, whether or not they catch them. I'm calling breakaway. It just depends how big it is, whether or not they catch him. I'm calling breakaway. I think one goes and stays. It's a hard day for some of them. I mean, Alpison going to get up there and ride. It's hard for those teams. This is a nasty stage.

I know on paper they're calling this a sprint stage, but maybe in week one this this has been such a. And yet again, just congratulations to ASO. I don't know if you designed this thing to me. This is. This shit's about to get real. Yeah. They asked Cav how many more sprint chances he said.

He only said one. He said one because he's probably ruling this out as a breakaway because he's going on after tomorrow. Let's get what he's, was he talking about tomorrow and the next day? Those are really, there might be another day mixed in there. The ones that Johan originally identified was tomorrow and then 15. Okay. So let's assume we have what we call easier days or manageable, more manageable days for the GC riders. That's Thursday, Friday. I'm just going to click off what starts Saturday, right?

Because the race starts Saturday and now the momentum has shifted. Yes, Pogacar is up by 114. By the way, Remco is 106 down. He's in the conversation Saturday and I'm just just gonna i'm gonna speak total vert to me all that matters is total vert when i go out riding people ask how many miles you ride i don't even know who cares let's talk about vert total vert is what matters all right i'm gonna click these off saturday 4 000 meters 13 200 feet sunday 4 800 meters800 feet. I'm translating these from meters to feet for all you people in the U.S. America. A couple of chill days.

Wednesday, 2,850, which is 8,500. Thursday, 3,100, 10,200. Friday, 4,400, 14,500. Saturday, the final hard day before the time trial. Oh, by the way, on Sunday you get to to do a time trial. That isn't easy. That Saturday, 4,600 meters, 15,000 feet of climbing. That is the last week. Yeah.

Oh, I mean, if you're a Vista Melissa bike, you're going. I mean, what you know what they're also hoping is let's hope he keeps. Let's hope Pogacar keeps racing like this makes our job a lot easier. Yeah. It's going to be a lot harder if he if he harder if he does exactly what we told him to do. Visamilis bike has a hard job. Yeah, and like you pointed out, he's still a minute 15 behind Pogacar. Yeah, you got to make up time.

Pogacar dropped him on that one climb. I mean, Jonas wouldn't have let him ride away. He said it was just going too hard. Yes, he was able to claw him back, but if Pogacar can look at that attack and say, okay, I can drop him here. If I ride a bit smarter, maybe I can drop him at the end of a climb while saving energy. The race is far from over, but it's as exciting as it has ever been at this stage, at this point of the race.

Did we have any update on, well, Venat and his crush? He was okay, wasn't he? He got up. I think he was okay, yeah. He went down pretty hard. He did go down really hard. And they're in a perfect position. They don't have to control the race.

They just need to follow for now and attack when they see fit. You're talking about Wiesman? I'm talking about Wiesman. At some point, they're going to have to open up the race. Yeah. Right? So then, I mean, Tade does have the team. We said it.

Four guys in the top ten. Imagine a world where they say, okay, guys, you want to win the Tour de France? I'm in the lead. You want to win it? Go ahead. Go ahead. Go for it.

That's what they should do. That's exactly what they should do. Then Wiesma has to, they have to have the guys. Do they have the guys to get on the front and take it from 100 guys to 50 to 20 to 10? To five for that matter. To drop Almedia, to drop Yates, to drop yates to drop uh uso yeah i mean they're missing sepco's big time right now but the owners like you said it's got the momentum

right now so i think it's just going to get better and better as it has the momentum but he also will have the responsibility yeah which is a big responsibility minute 14 is a minute 14 he might make up a little time in the time trial if he rides a perfect TT, but, yeah, anyways. Quick update here from Aspen. You know, Sir Bradley's been here. How long have you been here? Four days? Four days, yeah.

And my sources told me last night, and I quote, this has been the best week of my life. It had only been three days. That's when you know it's good. When you can declare that one of the best weeks of your life, and it's only been three days. God forbid. Imagine it's a whole week. This has been a lifetime of good stuff.

I also, you know, this is kind of a hometown for me. So I have people everywhere. Yeah, of course you do. And I stay at home and work. What's your dateline? I love dateline. I crack that code every night. But I have people out in town checking.

And Sir Bradley has really made himself at home here in Aspen, Colorado. And as a matter of fact, so much so, you know, he's out in all the hipster stores where all the pretty ladies are hanging out. But I caught a little footage of Sir Bradley down at Kimo Sabe. Now this, hold on a second. Can we hit play on this? that's okay that's that's the start now um if you're this is a day you just have to watch because you have to see that but it wasn't enough to see that video i've got some images too so it starts with this you guys are clearly making a purchase at chemo so this i saw this picture from one of my sources george george looks like george um sir bradley i'm not sure what's but i i had to zoom in and take a screenshot of let's go a little tighter gabriel

they're my running shorts can i i understand i understand but but your balls are hanging out almost i mean they're not please lance come on what? We were swimming before that, and I left my swimmers on. True story. Okay, go back. Go back to the other picture. I mean, that's disturbing enough, and I just had to zoom in. I'll never. I can't unsee this.

Go back tight. Come on. Oh, no. Come on. The marathon shorts. Yeah. Marathon. Well, I'll tell you what.

They went down a treat in Kimisabi. What? They went down a treat in Kimisabi. What? They went down a treat in Kimisabi. What's that mean? Just biblical, weren't they? Yeah. Shorts, they'll be remembered forever in that store. For sure, 100%. 100%. Oh, Lord.

I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. Yeah, best week of my life. Halfway through. Not even halfway through. Well, we're all having fun. Listeners are enjoying it, so stick around. After this Ventum trivia. And then we'll have the other thing.

Oh, we've got more. The Ginsu knife is coming back. Gift that keeps giving. But now let's do Ventum trivia. We're giving away a brand new NS1. Free bikes. Free bikes. Free bikes. But you've got to answer the question and submit it.

Yesterday's question was, what fitness competition did Lance recently get first place in his age group? That was Hydrox, New York City. Hyrox. Hyrox. Today's question, what year and city and country did Lance win UCI road race world championships Oslo Norway oh no

sorry but that was the view he's gonna win have I won the bicycle you're making it easy for our listeners to submit the answer so I don't mind vintomracing.com slash the move submit your answer okay by the way i just did a little troy camoing and uh uh chance of rain uh quite over 50 chance of

rain tomorrow so um uh jb i thought you we have some um from our friends down there i was so curious we do i was so curious what uh and i said it yesterday and i asked folks i said you know what's i got to imagine y'all are sitting it's almost like what it seems like when some countries or fans are watching the world cup like what is going on in eritrea when binyan garme is winning and we got some footage which is this came from this is exactly what i expected yeah this came from hanuk hanuk he'll be our tour guide when we go. This was in a bar. Wow, look at that.

Wait, it's going to get rolling. It's a video. Wow. Okay. You know what? Wait, it goes out on the streets here in a second, too. Look at them ripping paintings off the wall, I think. That is awesome. Wow oh that's brilliant all right that that and then this is outside in the streets amazing you know what i mean that all right i i thought that was happening now i didn't that that made the hair on the back of my

neck stand up yeah that is oh we're on peacock today baby that is so cool that we coming all right now y'all in air trad that we our coach here in colorado university colorado is deon sanders we call him coach prime and he has expression. And you can look it up down there, over there, over there. And he says, we coming. I see stuff like that, and all I got to say is, we coming. That is so cool. That is so cool. I got chills.

Yeah. Super cool. My God. I want more of that. We do have another video coming in a second that's pretty cool, pretty historic for Tour de France. But here's a few comments from youtube john writes sir wiggo looks more american than you lot maybe with the cowboy hat robert writes i followed this podcast since its inception absolutely love it and didn't think it could possibly get any better but you've outdone

yourself again with Sir Bradley Wiggins. Unbelievable. Never disappointed. Keep up the great work. Translation, George. They're getting sick of us. One more. One more about Sir Bradley. Jeff writes, Sir Brad is dialed in on placing

his cowboy hat crowned down. Lance showed me that. So is never to spill the luck. Must have had a friend or two in the rodeo circuit. Lance, you showed me that. So as never to spill the luck. Must have had a friend or two in the rodeo circuit. Lance, you showed me that, didn't you? Which I think Sir Bradley is going to the rodeo tonight. I'm going to the rodeo tonight. If I'm not mistaken.

Oh, my gosh. I'll be there. I will not be. I'll be watching Columbia play Uruguay. So sorry to miss that with you guys. What time is that game? 6 p.m. today. I'm doing that mutton fumbling thing.

Vamos, Columbia. Mutton busting. Mutton fumblingm. today. I'm doing that mutton fumbling thing. Vamos Colombia. Mutton busting. Mutton fumbling. Mutton tumbling. Is it mutton fumbling? Mutton busting. That will surely make the paper.

You know, we've had a, the Sheriff's Department has called and we had a grown man insist that he was told by Lance Armstrong

that he's allowed to do the mutton busting. Why are you with a mutton? They might let you do it if you wear those shorts to the video. You wear those. Let me tell you something. Okay.

JB, that's an excellent point. You should roll up. You can wear your hat. You should roll up in them shorts. All right. They're going to be a bunch of five and six and seven year olds. And if they say, sir, you can't do it. You say, well, why not?

I'm wearing the shorts that I had when I was six years old. Doesn't that allow me so what you got to pick a sheep up and bad body slam it is that pretty much you just gotta hold on you're just gonna hold it yeah you gotta wear the helmet kill the sheep all right this is a really good uh email and i think you'll and i you know you're being the historian wiggle you'll like this uh i'm enjoying watching the move podcast daily and i have a trivia question of my own for And I think you'll, you know, being the historian, Wiggle, you'll like this. I'm enjoying watching the Moot Podcast daily, and I have a trivia question of my own for Sir Bradley, George, and Lance. When did the era of drinking raids at the Tour de France, when riders used to stop at the cafes and take whatever they wanted,

finally come to an end? Enjoy the rest of Le Tour, And thanks for the insight and commentary. That is from Martin in Toronto. We have a video to show everybody what these raids used to be like back in the day when they needed food and drink. That is one of the most important moments of the Tour de France. It is the hunt for the can. Oh, coming in. Blashing into the convenience store.

Cafe. I think it's a cafe. It isn't quite looting. That's called Pano. That's like six different wines. Champagne and beer. And I bet the store or cafe owners are honored, right? They have everybody run in and grab food.

Oh, no. Oh, man. I think they had, early in that clip, you had the lady who clearly looked like she worked there. She was walking the guys in like, it's right here. Look at that. Champagne, beer. That is wild. He had a bottle of champagne in his jersey.

But there's a good excuse, the caption says. On a hot day of the Tour de France, a racer can lose up to eight pounds. Mon Dieu. And up to a gallon of sweat. So you have to drink. Popsicles. Oh, yeah. Look at this. This is so cool.

Wool jerseys. That is cool. But imagine if that happened. This is so cool. Wool jerseys. That is cool. Uh-huh. They still, yeah. But imagine if that happened. I mean, Julian Bernard got that 100 Swiss franc fine for kissing his wife. Boy, if you pulled that off today, they may give you a 200 Swiss franc fine. Do you guys know the answer to when it ended? I would say late 60s, early 70s, when that stopped.

When the Merck's era came in, I would say. But I don't know for sure. But that's real footage. Yeah, yeah. Right? I mean, that's kind of nothing. I mean, if you go back to... That's mid-60s.

That's Raphael. You go back in the early 1900s, this was like going to Disneyland. The crap they pulled back then was... And the stages were longer, and they didn't have any gears. They had to change their own flats. Well, there's one story of a gentleman in the early 1900s who stopped and welded his forks back together, didn't he? There's a story.

Yeah. Before the last climb because he broke his forks on the descent. Wow. Yeah. Incredible. Send your questions in the move at wedo.team. Yeah. What a day.

Just to recap, I mean, I think to recap it, we're speechless. But all is not lost. We're going to see. We're going to see if there's a disconnect between Pogacar and whoever's dictating tactics. This is going to be really interesting. He has the lead. Through me, I'd fly in Alan Piper. Is he on the race, Alan? No, he's not not i don't even know if he's with the team i know he's very close still very close to pocahontas

i'm sure there's some communication there i you would think alan would just be like hey buddy yeah this is stop doing that this is what you have to do and what hey we're gonna find out we're halfway through we got an exciting final half. Maybe we could get Alan on the show. Well, I'm sure they'll talk to Johan. It's quite possible. Yeah, that would be great. It's quite possible we get to that final TT and they're within a minute of each other. I think about that.

It needs to be closer. Yeah. I don't think if you're saying that Pogacar has a minute. They're within a minute of each other. I don't think that's that exciting. I think we need it to be 20, 30 seconds. Yeah. And we might see it.

Yeah. We might see it. Look, that's the thing about burning matches. You can go home and try to replenish and refuel. But when you chop down that tree, it's tough to get that thing to grow back. I'm talking about glycogen stores. That's the thing. And when the guy's eating on the podium he's he's starting he's

trying he's like i gotta fuel this thing and get that tree to grow and yeah we shall see all right everybody thanks for tuning in we'll see you tomorrow