THEMOVE - The Tour's Hardest Day Delivers Its Cruelest Finish | TdF 2026 Stage 20 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 25, 2026

Lance, George, Sir Bradley, and Spencer Martin (aka The Professor) discuss Richard Carapaz's incredible stage win on the Tour's second trip up Alpe d'Huez, which saw him get his second stage win of this Tour and seal the King of the Mountain Classification. They also break down yet another Mads Pedersen move to get over a massive climb in the breakaway to pile on his Green Jersey lead, and UAE's successful attempt to get two riders on the overall podium, as Remco continued to consolidate his second place overall. They also preview Sunday's stage in Paris, wonder how the passes of Montmartre will shape the race, and take listener calls before answering yesterday's Ventum trivia with a new question to close. Become a WEDŪ Member Today to Unlock VIP Access & Benefits: https://access.wedu.team   Ekoi: https://www.ekoi.com/en-us/?utm_source=partner&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=podcast-weedu_us Helix Sleep: Go to https://helixsleep.com/themove for 27% Off Sitewide Huckberry: Some of our favorite products found at: https://huckberry.com/themove Ventum: Use code TheMove10 for 10% off anything at: https://ventumracing.com/ Eight Sleep: Use code THEMOVE at https://eightsleep.com/themove for up to $350 off. 30 days to try it at home. Free returns if it's not for you. Hyperice: Get 15% off Hyperice products now with code THEMOVE15 https://Hyperice.com

I mean, Carapass, Bradley, I mean, this is, we said it yesterday. We essentially guaranteed that he was going to be a factor in this race today. We talked about it a week ago. You know, the week three of the tour always, you know, there's always stories. And we've had stories. He's very, very impressive, isn't he? Yeah, to me, he's the story of week three. We said when he gets, when he gets that win the other day, that he's on a role and he wouldn't rest there.

But the last three days, to finish twice first and third and secure the King of the Mountains, incredible. Yeah. Yeah, next to Pogocha, the best rider in the race. Yeah. It's the final week best rider. All right, everybody, we are back. This is the Move podcast. I feel like I rode the tour.

Stage 20. I am joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins, Mr. George and Kevin. It was still, boys are mad at me because we started early today. I got my mom is in town. Oh, nice. My parents. and obviously my son's here.

I've got to get to the golf course right after this, so we had to kick it off. We will be joined by the professor, Spencer Martin, but before we do, special guest, Alana Zizi. You hear him every day. This is the man who kicks off your day, tells us every day, because, God forbid, we try to pronounce some of these places,

although Sir Bradley, you could do it. Alan, just to start us off here, What happened here on stage 20? Oh boy. We thought, No, no. Jeez. Where did we get?

You don't want me to do it. Well, I'm going to, I'll talk to you for a second afterwards, but just pretend like you're not here. I mean, you know what I mean? Stage 20. What do we do? Okay. Stage 20 is from Le Bordeauxan to Alpe de U.S.

From Le Bordeauxs to Alpe de U.S. Even better in person. Isn't it? Just something. Alan, you've been just, how many years have you been doing this for us? It's been a lot. Seven, eight years, maybe? I think he was the second year you did the podcast.

And George and I were talking on the ride yesterday. How many? I'm thinking like 10. Is this the 10th year of the move or more? How do we not know the, I mean, I know we should know that. Anyways, Alain's been around a long time. You grew up in France. This is, by the way, sorry about the World Cup, how that all went down for you.

Oh, boy. I know. Yeah, let's not go there now. Okay. The first year was 14, like two hours, two years after, after I retired, I think. But I didn't do the first year or two with you. What is it, Boshka? 17, first year.

With me or I did, my first year was 18 then? Your first year was 18. So the first year of the move was 2017. So this is, that means this is the 10th year. Yeah. That's kind of cool. So I think I've been doing it for 10 years, actually. That's pretty amazing.

Well, it's become a mainstay. I just thought, and I think he came on last year, maybe the year before, too. Anyways, you're part of the family. You're part of the team. You grew up watching the tour? Yeah. You did? Yeah.

In Abignon in the South of France. What are you used to come and do the Vantou? Yeah. We miss it. Anyways. Alain, thank you for doing this. Well, thanks, guys. Yeah.

We'll have you back. Should we have him back for the 11th year? Yeah. You know, George's wife does the tour to France family of Ex-Swift. I know. She's doing the recording today. Okay, good. Paul's going over.

Alain, you're the man. You guys have a great day. We'll see at the pie at a party tomorrow night. All right. Now we get the professor back. The professor actually has some fun data for us today. He's living up to his title. He's got matching shoes.

shorts and t-shirt on. He's getting all like... I forget your ear things. Stage 20, another run-up, Alpdwez. Kind of been exciting. A lot happened. Queen stage, 18,000 feet of climbing.

Bodies everywhere. In fact, we're still just looking at the stage finishers from today. This just gives you an indication of just how hard this tour has been, just how hard today's stage was. Not sure it was totally necessary in hindsight. The 70th, well, to start, the time cut for today is 51 minutes.

The 70th place finisher today has just come in in almost 38 minutes. I'm not so sure that everybody's going to make the time cut, TBD on whether or not they let them in the race tomorrow. George, thoughts. Well, I've heard rumblins that this is the hardest for the grand stage ever. Yeah. I think that in terms of vert. V-O-M. Almost 18,000.

What's the V-O-M? The V-V-O-M is high. What is it? 119. And yesterday was 92. Yeah, because we haven't gone over 100. Yeah, until today. Very rare to go over 100.

But man, waking up at 4.30 a.m. I set my alarm. I wanted to, well, 420 because I wanted to watch this climb. It was unbelievable how hard they were racing at the start of this mountain. And unbelievable how much work Richard Carapas did the whole day. Yeah. I mean, he attacked with 4K to go to the top of Quadifera. The Quadifers is no joke, no panic.

It's very hard. One of the hardest climbs in the whole tour de France. And he just attacks all in for the mountain jersey. And then he even said in his interview, that was my goal, was to get that point sprint top of that mountain. Then he's like, I feel pretty good. Might as well go for the stage win now. Sadly, though, we did lose SEP Kusa, two crashes who arguably could have won the stage as well. Yeah, I mean, Sir Bradley, we kind of saw it all.

Yeah. Right? You had a great, I mean, Seth, I just thought it was in the bag. He was riding great. not only do you crash once he crashed twice on that downhill. I do think stages like this are far more exciting to watch than some of the other stages we've had in the mountains where it's been relatively flat with a final finish climb.

I think these classic stages, these classic climbs, the Gallibier, you always end up with the worthy winners. And there was so much happening today. Couldn't take your eyes off the race compared to some of the other days. But a big shout out to Mads Pedersen as well. I mean, he got dropped on the category one at the start, came back, didn't he? Yeah. And then attacked the Peloton, got across to the break and won the intermediate.

I mean, those two guys, the last three days Pedersen's had and the last three days at Carapassas had, they've really been brilliant to watch. Yeah, Metz Pedersen is, I mean, yesterday I sort of referred to him as a heavyweight champ or, I mean, he's just a junkyard dog. Yeah. He's like a, like a, like a USC fighter. I think we should. That's so tough. It's so. well, like we said, hardest stage of the tour maybe ever,

but like I know people probably out there watching Seth going, what's going on and crash twice? But like imagine being solo in a tour de France stage. You're not going downhill. You're still at altitude. Your heart rate's not recovering, even though you're going downhill. I mean, he was all in, and you almost get delirious in moments like that, and you saw it happen.

I think he had to have, look, this is a kid who grew up in Colorado. He's climbed big mountains. He's descended big mountains. He knows how to descend. I think the weight of the tour and the toll of the tour just caught up to him. You know, he might have been a little cross-eyed. By the way, if you go back and watch the first crash, that corner, if you watch it quickly, you may not notice what, they had a lot of padding up.

But then after the padding, they had just a, I don't know, 100 yards of netting. Yeah, netting. And he hit the very end of the netting. I mean, the netting is there for a reason. God forbid, you look over the edge. I mean, it's, you know, we've talked about this in the last week, especially in lieu of some of the shenanigans that have taken place. This is a very dangerous sport.

I mean, that net was, and then he unfortunately crashed again. I think he was just. The net was on the second crash. But like you're saying, I mean, devastating result for SEP, being in the hunt for the win, arguably probably could have made it because he was not riding really well. But the other outcome could have been absolutely horrible. So he's got to be thankful. I mean, we're all thankful that he didn't get hurt there.

Yeah. I mean, Carapass, Bradley, I mean, this is, we said it yesterday. We essentially guaranteed that he was going to be a factor in this race today. We talked about it a week ago. You know, the week three of the tour always, you know, there's always stories. And we've had stories. He's very, very impressive, isn't he? Yeah, to me, he's the story of week three.

We said when he gets when he gets that win the other day that he's on a role and he wouldn't rest there. But the last three days to finish twice. twice first and third and secure the King of the Mountains. Incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Next to Pogachar, the best rider in the race. Yeah.

The final week, best rider. Yeah. I mean, probably by time. If you just tallied it up, he's the best writer. And top 10. What you see now? Yeah. His last few results, first, third, first.

Almost gets the stage win yesterday. It's, I don't know if people understand how hard that is. Can you imagine yesterday getting that close to OptoS stage win? You don't get it. And then you're staring down the barrel at this. stage and you think, man, I'll just, I don't remember seeing a rider, a climber that can do these full gas for sprint attacks on every climb and still be able to have the endurance to make it to the finish line. Like, he's just on another level right now in terms of what he's doing.

Eighth overall, which is very good. The impressive thing about him is he probably, let's say, he put his whole heart into the GC and rode really conservatively. What's he finished? You think, fifth? No, I don't know. He's not that kind of rider, is he? Yeah. It would be way less exciting too. He's better off doing what he's done, getting 10th versus conserving, not getting stage wins and getting seventh. I don't know that he's a top five guy with this field, but. And it's great for EF. Like, he's always out there. That's such a better situation for them than him getting sixth and not winning a stage. Of course, this is the second time in two days that we finished on Alpdawe.

It's kind of an interesting, it's funny, if you just do the traditional Alptuaz, you can never even know that there's, you can never even know that there. There's other roads that come up and tie in to the main climb. Like, but I found out today. Yeah. I did get a fun picture from Jimmy Rickettello. Of course, the father of Matthew Rickettello. If you went on Outta West, they put your name and there's 21 switchbacks, so they put your name on the switchbacks.

And, of course, they've done it enough times. They're now having to double up and look at there. Oh. Look at the old man. turn 21. Did Jimmy take that photo? Jimmy took it. Yeah, he's over there right now.

And his son was in the breakaway. Son was in the break. Jimmy takes a group of people over there every year, a touring group, and they hang out for a few days and train and watch the race. Yeah, I think Matthew used to do those camps with him. So he knows that climate from being a kid. And unfortunately, you know, we have this perfect setup here at the studio, and we all sit here and we have the Huckberry Chill Chamber where we watch the race.

We've actually been watching the race on Flow Sports this year. year. But before we come over here, I'm at the house and the only thing at the house is peacock. So I'm watching, having to listen to Bob Roll, and he's sort of bigging up, Sep Kuse and Matthew Rickettel, which I think is amazing. And he says, you know, these two guys, they have the opportunity to be the first American to win on Out the West since Andy Hampston. And then Jimmy sent me that picture. I was like, wait a minute. What's going on here? I don't know either. Shout out.

We love flow. Shout out flow. Here's a question for you. If Taday hadn't ridden for Del Toro today, what were his chances of catching Carapest and winning the stage? I think of 10 out of 10. Yeah. So on that, what do we think about the way Tade played the stage today?

I don't like it at all. At all. Well, he only had Tadai or Del Toro left, so it was either Tade or Del Toro. in order to close down that four-minute gap on the valley, even though they got pretty close. I got sure, could have done it away. Yeah, he could have done it by himself. But you guys seemed to, as it was going down,

it wasn't popular in the Huckberry Chill Chamber. Everybody was. No, no, I think from my point of view, like I think you get used to being entertained by a Taday, you know, and it is exhilarating, watching him do what he does. So I think the more he gives you, the more you want of it. Yeah.

And so today he was a little bit like, Oh, he's not going for it. Yeah, but... What a shame. I would have done the same thing. I thought it was... I thought it was cool what he did. Having said that, he didn't need to do it.

No, he didn't. Seychas was dropped. Deltoro was going to be fine. He was going to secure third place. By the way, there was a lot going on in this bike race. When you think about all of the things at stake, being, you know, the third step on the podium, being one of them, Deltoro had it, so I can almost see what you're saying.

But I thought it was a good look. I thought, you know, for him. him that's a safe thing to do and it uh certainly builds um you know a lot of camaraderie and a lot of loyalty within the team yes um if he as if he didn't already have it uh i thought it was probably the regular fan eats that up too right they're not like us they're not mean people like me and bradley who want to see him drop his teammate and go crush care fast to win that's good and uh george and i now we're the nice guys but he on the on the glibia he must this comes to Bob Roll.

Let's talk about the move of the day. I forgot to do the move of the day. Of course, the move of the day is brought to you by 8Sleep. It is a smart mattress cover. They are the official sleep partner of Team UAE Emirates. You can heat or cool each side from 55 to 110. 8Sleep.com slash the move. Sir Bradley, move of the day.

Do you know what I'm going to go a bit left field here. I'm going to give it to say. because I think the way he rode up till the first crash, I mean, he had the stage in the bag. And after the tour they've had, we said the other day, you know, be interested in what Visima do now that they have a, you know, free reign to do what they want to do and get in the break. And set was on for that. And I was a bit mean to him when they first crash. I was like, you wally, you know, you add it in the bag. And then the second crash happened.

And I was like, oh, you absolute tool, you know, and that was my, you know. But then I felt really sorry for him coming across the line. And I watched his interview and I was like, God, I was a bit mean about him. And the way he took it and it was just, it was really sad. So say, move of the day for me. You get a free mattress in the post for that. Bradley, I'm going to have to agree with you. Not only that, but just his whole team took the responsibility from the first climb.

They set tempo the whole way up the first climb with in mind that SEP was the leader of the day. And he really answered that call of team leadership and was going to, win the stage. Unfortunately, like I said, you're delirious, heart rate probably 200 at 7 or 8,000 feet of altitude. You're not recovering these downhills. And you're going all in. You've got carapads hunting down at 12 seconds. I mean, you're going to take

risk. That is cycling 101. And who knows if it's a fuel, it didn't work out. A fueling factor. Of course, yeah. Yeah, it kind of looked like. That climb was so steep. There's no way you're doing gels on that climb. Like, you're going all in. So this is horrible. I mean, cross-eyed is cross-side. Yep. These things are hard to do when you're cross-eyed.

I mean, he's such a good ride. He wins that stage of this year. And they need it. Like, hey, Seps, so Yonis, you want to try to win a stage? You can't sprint, you can't have time trial. Like, that's not so easy. He was right there yesterday, too. Yeah.

Having a great last week of the tour. Bradley and I were shopping around for new jobs for him. Oh, he needs to get out of that team. I think he needs a new Lisa life. I do it. He needs to go to either decathlon or Enios and just start over. Yeah, he's got so much potential. And I just feel like he's waste now.

Yes. His job is done in that team. That team is sort of on the downhill now. My move of the day is Mads Pederson. I don't know if I have. ever seen anything like that. Cold de la qua fere, just a sprinter. Like, I'm dropped.

Yeah. Oh, no, I'm just going to go back to the Peloton. You know what? I'm just going to bridge up to the break away. And he just sprinted across the break. Unbelievable. Yeah, he closed like a minute gap, 45 seconds. I mean, it's unreal what he did.

My move of the day, Richard Carapass. For the sheer fact that this man and this man alone actually made me appreciate the polka d'at jersey in 2026. Wow. I can't stand the jersey. They have not heard that in 10 years. Before today, I sort of was thinking about this, and I thought, you know what, this is stupid. Don't get points for this thing.

There should just be a committee that votes. I mean, because we can all see who is the best climber in the race. Nonetheless, there are points. He has convinced me that he is a worthy champion of the polka-doddye jersey in 2026. I also think that he will, at least he should be named the most aggressive rider in 2026. There could be some others that could make an argument there. but if you're thinking about this, he animated the race. And he, I love the way he rides.

Love it. Yeah. I mean, just watching him from that first climb today, thinking, he's going all in for the mountain jersey and still there at the finish, never giving up 10, 12 seconds behind and, you know, keeping that composure to catch it back up to step after the crash and win the stage. It's all right. Yeah, total badass.

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It's pretty shocking. Also, I've got to talk about tomorrow's stages. There has been some updates to the route. France, obviously, heat wave. Their fires seemingly all over the world. A lot of fires around Paris. Fires in the south of France. I know in my thoughts go out to the folks down in Capfarat where I lived for most of my career.

The entire peninsula has been evacuated. So none of the country has been immune to this heat wave and now the fires. And so there's been some changes to the route. That could be interesting. What else? Anyways. But before we do that, we'll be back in two minutes and 32 seconds. All right.

We are back. We were chatting on the break about our friends at Draft Kings. They had a prop bet yesterday on whether or not Tade wins by seven minutes or more, which I mean the smart money yesterday was like of course he's today's stage queen stage it's not going to lose time and then we saw this uh what we just talked about we saw this teamwork essentially that he did for isaac del Toro his lead is now success so whoever was the smart money lost money yeah because you're but you're watching this going no no screw the teammate no because you could have piled in that big piled thinking how is he going to lose time

It's a guarantee. Yeah. Honey, I put the house on it. We're not going to lose. And then you would have been watching in-hor. Somebody was watching in-horror as he sat up to ride with Isaac Deltoro. Why do you have to be such a good guy, a good teammate, who cares? And just watching the house.

This is why you should always gamble responsibly. Because you would think there's no way. There's no way. But. Yeah. And they're actually looking a little bit, like on the Ghibia, it looked like Delooro was having a bad day. Like he looked like he got to try to back off. I forgot to have to back off.

But then on the last climb, he was really good to him. Yeah. Well, I guess the guy could, could, you know, really hope that he has a day that he potentially could have tomorrow on Walmart. Take back another 30, what, 32 seconds. I think it's 628. Do we think they do live time tomorrow? Well, that's, that's, we, last year, what, there was some confusion and frustration because of the weather that they stopped the time. not a lot of fans of that,

certainly here at the desk. So who knows, I haven't checked the weather for Paris. A few days ago, it was calling for rain in Paris, which no matter what the stage is, no matter what the circuit is in Paris, that just sucks. That sucks for everybody there,

all the families that come to see the guys that are finishing. It's just, but hopefully that's not the case. Might not be raining now. Okay, good. We'll see. Yep. Let's talk about that. We have spent a lot of time talking about how this peloton and the best guys in this peloton are just getting younger and younger and younger. And of course, the poster child for this is Paul Seishas.

He's 19 years old. He's the youngest writer in the race since 1937. He's kind of end up fourth in the tour to France. We've watched Dadey Pogachar in his early 20s, you know, go on and become the greatest of all time. This would have been unheard of. I mean, I made a comment today. I was like, Seishasa, I don't know, it's just, he has, I mean,

Del Toro is very, you know, Bradley says, well, what were you doing at 19? I was like, oh, getting drunk and acting like an idiot. Very different. But the whole thing is younger and younger, right? The average age, and you have the other years, the, the average age for this year's top 10 is 25.9 years old. That would have been unheard of in our generation.

Yeah. And then if you go back, Yeah, so here's, this is what's interesting. So I was going through every year last night. Average age of the top 10, let's just say it's 25. Average age of the Peloton at this tour, 29 years old. It's like, well, quite a bit younger, almost four years younger. You go back to 2018.

Garant Thomas wins the tour de fronts. Average age of the top 10, 29.3. Average age of the Peloton, roughly the same. 29. And then you go back to 2005, 2002, that average age of the top 10 never really leaves the 29, you know, because the winner was usually between, what, 26 and 32 about, and everyone in the top 10 was between 28 and 32. So you're landing in this 29 years of age for the top 10 average with the average in the Peloton, always around 29 or 30. So it used to be the same.

But now what's interesting to me is the Peloton's not really getting that much younger, but the top 10 is getting. a lot younger. Yeah. That is. And back to the Seychas, I mean, being 19 years old, yes, I know the team's goal was for him to be on the podium, but for him to finish fourth place, not have a crack to show, he's shown that he has the foundation to ultimately one day be a Tour de France winner. George, you know, you were very serious at 16, 17 years old.

I mean, you were great, and you were already, I don't be serious. I mean, you were, you were on your way. And now you have Enzo who's the same age. Like if you can, if you can think back to, and I can imagine what you're training and what life was like as a 17-year-old want to be professional bike racer, compare that to Enzo. And I think where I'm going with this is I think this points to why this is trending lower. I mean, his life. Sure. Yeah.

I mean, I had zero nutritional guidelines just eat like crap, junk food, and then just go ride hard. But now it's like. You rode on feel. Yeah, road on feel. Now they like every ride is measured. They'll have coaches. They send in their training. The trainings analyze they have, of course they train really hard, a lot more specific,

but they also have a lot more breaks as well. You know, they'll go full on for six weeks to eight weeks and they'll get a week off the bike several times a year. We never did that. And their nutrition is completely dialed in. There's no guesswork anymore. Everything's measured out. They know exactly what they spend on the bike, exactly what they need to replace, exactly what they need to replace. place exactly what they need to replace if they want to lose weight, if they want to maintain weight.

I mean, it's insane the knowledge they have now. Same for Ben. I mean, is he saving stuff in daily to the team and they're analyzing everything? Weighing food, all that sort of stuff. But the thing I would say is, what's the longevity of someone like sexass? 19. How many years now has he got at the Tour de France at this level, at this, how meticulously is to try and win the race?

Do you think he's done by 29? Yeah, I think they go to, I mean, I feel like the trend is like they go until 30 and then they're like, I'm good. That was 10 years, full gas. The only thing about, so usually if you go back throughout history, a rider has 10 years from their first big win to their last big win. Almost Lance is an outlier. Eddie Merck's is a little bit of an outlier, but it's almost always 10 years.

So probably, yeah, that that will remain. Like if your first big win is 19, your last might be 29. But with the amount of money on the line, do you guys really think people are going to just disappear? Do you think they're going to hang on and not be as good as they were? like if you could make an extra 12 mil a year by hanging on you might hang on for a little bit especially for that guy at draft kings who took the seven minute bet yeah he's taking all the money like by the time paul's exhaust is 29 the average salary you don't know you don't know who comes who comes up under them and behind them like that's you might you may not be a 12 million

dollar rider if if the next i mean there is another and the next generation is inzo's generation right It's crazy to think that we could look at Enzo and say, well, we have five, six, seven years before we even see him in the tour. I don't think we can say that anymore. All of this kind of hyper focus on performance recovery, training, data, analytics, all the other stuff off the bike, you're going to see younger and younger guys. Do you think, like, Begacha's 27. Do you think he'll be usurped by a younger rider or he'll just retire? because it doesn't seem like the younger generation is pressuring him at all. No, I think it were talking about.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Let's look at tomorrow stage, which has been amended before we do. Of course, next stage preview brought you by Hyper Ice. They have the Norma Tech Elite Legs, deliver sequential pressure throughout the legs, helping them feel refreshed, lighter, and ready for the next ride.

Get 15% off Hyper Ice Products now with the code, The Move. 15 at hyperice.com slash discount slash the move 15. Okay. Remind me again. This is Montmart. Uh-huh.

Tomorrow's a yeah, yeah. But last year was the first year we went up, Moort. I'll get confused because we had the Olympics there. Yeah. In the Tour de France, it was the first year. And then we did the Olympics year before. Yep.

By all accounts, and I think the news is still sort of coming in due to these wildfires. in this area in the first 50 kilometers in the stage. Professor, you said they're gonna basically shorten the stage to 86 kilometers. Yeah, well, they're gonna do the presentation in the start town.

They gotta collect that check, right? That's the important thing. And then you put everybody on the bus. The bus drives them to the green S. So they park there. And then they're gonna get out and race for 86K. They've added a lap of the Champs-Lise, I think at the beginning.

Maybe the sprint points right after that. I don't know what they're gonna do about that. And then three laps. of the climb, the three passes of the climb, that's going to be really intense. I think more intense than the original route. So then you make it shorter, it makes it even, yeah. Like arguably no ceremonial start where they spend their first hour. No, yeah.

That's bad. You have to do, you have to get the photos out of the way. Yeah. Tade needs a photo with, yeah. Didn't George, he's a photo with the team. You crash one. You did.

Really. I always worry about that when I see the guys. I did crash. A little bit of everything. But. And then I guess the other question is where do they stop the time? Or is this a real bike race? They're saying it's real bike race.

They don't normally say it's not a real bike race, though. That's the thing you can ever trust. And then if they neutralize the time, they do it right at the start or right after the start. Yeah. Do you guys think it should be live? Yeah. Real time. Of course.

Yeah. Why go up there? Why do it? Every year I've done it, it's always been live. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I add something is, is, is, is, is, is, in. I mean, Montmart is kind of sacred for the city of Paris.

Don't go up there if you're not going to race it. Yeah, I mean, technical course, it could be like a little, only 90K, but I would envision the classics guys Vanderpull, Matt Peterson's, those type of people going all in for tomorrow. Yeah. A real shot for a stage one. Who do you guys think is going to? I mean, the way Matt's is going right now, unless he's like,

I got the green jersey, I'm done. Like, who knows where he is mentally? but like if he wants to go for the win tomorrow i think with the team that he has he can certainly win tomorrow not you that you i kind of think vanderpool the only thing is has he it's just hard to know where his form is like it's yeah he's been taking it easy in the guppetto yeah or can he just dial it up whenever he wants yeah i think a guy like that can do this last week super chill in the group but can he dial it past his mads petters on a level like basically a superhuman, maybe God level.

Like, what he's doing? I don't know if I've ever seen anything like. You saw the way Vanderpull won that stage. Well, that seems like a year ago, but like he's on the same level and arguably had a much easier a week, well, not arguably, definitely had a much easier a week than Matt Peterson. So if he's wants to go for the win

tomorrow, I think it'd be a really good battle. And Quinn Simmons is bolted to Matt's Patterson just to support him or he's given a little free reign? Yeah, I mean, 90K is kind of hard to envision like a breakaway getting away. Yeah. I mean, maybe from the climb second and last time up but before that I would imagine it's going to be a shit show battle to get to the bottom of the first time up in line what about pagotcha i mean you know bagauchess you would think he's done like he's he's he's he's won the tour de france he's won

what five stages i can't see him uh going for the win tomorrow you guys they're five yeah the classic stocks reminded me weird thing at the tour of flanders only two riders under 30 in the top ten how weird is that Yeah, that is weird. So then you have this, there's no young generation in the classics, it seems like. Classics are all old guys. Remko's the up-and-coming classics writer. Yeah. Yeah.

Strange. Which we didn't even mention Remko today. Amazing, right. Shout out. He's confirmed his G.C. World-class status, riding away from a guy like Del Toro. Obviously, Pocchar probably didn't try to go with him. But finishing off the Tour de France, very strong.

Second place in the tour, best ever, Tour de France result. It's super impressive ride. Maybe good one. that stage. Yeah. Had he gone earlier. When do you think we miss Lipovich, didn't we, this last week? We also missed Jonas.

And I kind of wonder how much of a different race it would have been the last few days. Yeah. With those guys there. Taday would certainly have to have raced in a different way today. Yonis probably would have blown up the group yesterday because he would have tried to follow. Yeah. Let's take your calls.

We got two more days. Two more days of calls, actually, and you actually have one more day to call and leave a message. It's that number 9707182736. Caller number one. Hey, guys. This is Matt from St. Paul, Minnesota. We all love listening to Lance talk about his favorite jersey in the tour. We'd just like to hear your thoughts on what we could do to make the climbing competition a little more exciting and better reward the best climber in the tour.

I mean, how weird is it that, I mean, of all these questions, I'm assuming the questions or the calls that Colton picks are before we start the show. This mad guy's got like ESP or something. I mean, we talked about it. I don't know. I mean, I just think the best climber in the race should be awarded that jersey. But I also said earlier, I mean, I'm not going to argue with Carapass. I mean, he's a tough guy.

He's a bike racer. I know it's not. It's been a long time since I was rude, you know, was sort of sitting there applauding the polka dot jersey and the guy who wore it. I mean, you saw the guy who had it two days ago, Perry Pontre, the guy had his reverse lights on today on the Gallibia. You can't have that. That doesn't make sense.

Yeah. And so, and I probably have a lot of just old stuff with, you know, Vranck would always, it was all he cared about. And I'm like, man. Yeah, the way. You can't climb with me. Carapaz is not the fastest climber at this tour, but is he the best climber day after day? It's coupled with the aggressiveness. I mean, like today, he had to pretty much go all out on all three climbs and still made it to the finish line.

I mean, when he, and he got, he did get a little lucky with the crash of Sepkouz. By the way, we do not know what would have happened in the final three, four, five kilometers of Alpdawest today to the finish because it was a hard one. Because Kerapas was going. Yeah. Like you saw him out of these. corners. I mean, this guy was not just holding on. He was accelerating. So that

might have been an amen. Maybe he knew also, he also knows that he's a better dissender than Sep Kus. Maybe that was the plan, but that's a good question. I feel like he kept riding, riding away from him and holding that gap at like 12, 15 seconds. It would have been closed, but I think

my money would have been on set to make it. Because Pagachar, as great as he is, set the record on Opto. It's probably the best climate performance we've ever seen. He's not out there doing what Carapagap. Like what Carapaz is doing, like he's respecting every climb, like attacking every climb. To me, that is a worthy winner, even if he might not be the fastest climber. Yeah.

Are you, Bradley, are you, you're sitting there looking at him? I mean, how are you? Oh, I just, are you a fan of the, am I, am I being mean or? I mean, you have a different perspective on it. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But I, you know, the King of the Mountains is always, it. It has had years where it's not had a worthy winner.

Yeah. You know, I'm thinking of like Jimmy Young, you know, a few years ago, there was a guy called one with a big telecom we want it. Not Voklao, the other one. But, you know, it's a funny one. It really is. But, I mean, I come from an age where, when I was watching it as a kid, and Claudio Kiyo Kiyo Poochie would be winning it and, you know, Robert Miller and people

like that. And back then, you know, the best climber tended to win it. Well, I, yeah, Kipucci was a great climber. Miguel Enderine was a better climber. Morphish, yeah. If they had to climb, it said, that's it, your life depends on at the top of the mountain. Indurine's getting there

first. I mean, Indurine. They would agree with that. He's a better climber. Yeah. I mean, it is the Tour de France. Stage wins are massively important for teams. Jersey's on the final day of Paris. Very important for teams. So I think, I think even though it's

maybe not, he's not a better climber than Pochart, it's still a very incredible win to take that jersey to Paris. No, I'm going to be with you on that one. All right, caller number two. Hey, this is Jimmy Casper here from Cicardie Brands. No, just kidding. This is David from Montreal.

I was just wondering as the World Championships are coming here, what are you picks? That's it, guys. I love the show. Thank you guys. David, I'll be there. I'll be there the whole week for the World Championship. Did you hear what he said? I'll be there too.

Really? This is Jimmy Casper calling. Oh, that's not Jimmy. what our pick was or yeah you're pick for worlds that course is tailor made for a poker char yeah so

what third year and it'll be it's third year in a row I kind of agree with you George but Johan claims that it's not he thinks that it's going to be an open race I feel like though pagra could turn the the historic champs Lise finish into a selective race

if he really wanted to yeah agreed I do think it's probably going to be pagach three years in a row the last person to do that was do you guys remember Ors get for it. No.

So, Sagan. Yeah. Peter Sagan. Yeah. Peter Sagan. Oh, cool. So he could win the next year. Because it said his home course in the UAE.

Yeah, but it's all dead flat next year. I don't, I think they're probably going to add some climbs. No, they're talking about doing it, but then they change their mind. They're going to build the climbs? They should. They should just go ahead. They're building climbs now in the, the Houdarati track. Like you can do like a full-on 1K-500-meter climb up to sand dunes with like switchbacks and stuff.

wild. Come on. Yeah. And there's a whole course around it. It's like a 20K course. We did the time trial than the UAE.

Well, I don't, yeah, I would pick Pogachar. However, the race that I am the most interested in is the U-23 time trail. Yeah.

Our man Ben Wiggins. Yeah, he'd be there. He's definitely going to be there. And I am not, said another way, I'm only watching one race

of the World Championships. And it's Ben Wiggins. You're not going to watch, you're not going to watch Zoe? Oh. I'm going to, I'm going to watch two races. I'm going to watch.

What is that? Is it categorizes Junior? U-19, yeah. U-19? I'm going to watch the U-19 road race or is the time trial. Both. Yeah. So I'm going to watch.

Okay, then that's shit, that's three. Is he in the, has Ben in the road race too? Yep. Okay, so I'm watching four races. The U-19 time trial and road race and the U-23 time trial and road race. Basta. That's enough for me. I'm going to be there with so much pioneer pastures for Ben.

Yeah. At the finish line. Are you there as a journey? Are you there with a team or? Journalist. Yeah. Who are you there with journalism? Journaling.

Maybe we should talk about this. Yeah. Hopefully with We do if they don't cancel it after watching this. What? What did we say? Well, I just don't want. I don't want to draw attention to any submissions of cycling news. Prescadences.

Yeah. You know. Just want to be going, just put it across the table, get stamped. I'm good to go. I just thinking about something this morning. I was Googling, and I can't say it. I'm not going to say it. I can't.

Let's put the Google search. Offline. Just throw it up on the big screen. I'll say it offline and see if it's safe, if you guys think I should talk about tomorrow. Because tomorrow we are going to have, I think, and I think we should have just our reflections on this. tour. Whether it be the course, whether it be the writers, whether it be the stories, the controversies, whatever, I think that's a good idea. So I'll run this by, I'll let you guys edit my reflections of 2026. Today's Ventum trivia, of course, yesterday's question,

stage 20 crosses Coldaglibri, which earns what distinction in the 2026 race? The answer is, it is the highest point of the entire tour at 2,642 meters. Today's question, which, of course, you head on over to ventum racing.com slash the move to enter your answer. You get five, if you win or get picked or whatever, you get $5,000 credit towards the Ventum bike of your choice. Today's question, the iconic AlptuS climb is defined by Bradley, we need you doing these questions. Yeah. Well, I did say that week ago. Okay.

What happened? I don't know. Spencer. Stop giving me the job. The iconic Gulf of West Climbus is a gimmee for people who haven't got it right. Yeah, we want people to win. Yeah. The iconic AlptuWest Climb is defined by how many numbered hairpin bends.

And if you're watching earlier in the show, you have your answer. Head on over to ventumracing.com slash the move. Anything else? No. Somebody did comment on, I think, on one of the social. It was one of the pictures A lady said, you know, Sir Bradley looks bored.

And I almost replied, well, because he is. There has just been some times that it's just been boring. We've talked about that. We've talked about it on this show. It's not, I thought it was kind of funny, though. Well. It's my ADHD, you know.

I just have been out when it gets bored. I'm back now. It's back. What are we doing? What are we doing? I'll see you tomorrow. We will see you guys tomorrow. Have a great day.