THEMOVE - Tour Climbing Records are being crushed | Tour De France 2024 Stage 15 | JB2

Episode Date: July 14, 2024

Outside of the G.C. battle in this years Tour we are not only seeing the top 2-3 riders breaking records up climbs, but even up to 10-13 riders breaking records. Johan also breaks down what Tadej Pogacar has accomplished just this season and his win percentage when he pins on numbers.

it's mind-blowing okay you know listen it's 20 years ago and 26 years ago compared to compared to pantani right so a lot has changed right a lot has changed the pantani record today was was broken by the first three also jonas and remco broke that record yeah and lance's best time the first 10 riders of today went faster than lance you So I want to repeat that it's a general, I mean, the level has gone up so much that they just keep going faster and faster. You see it at all the different speeds. Nowadays, you see stages at 45, 46 kilometers per hour, which before were like, okay, 46, 47, that was like a top 10 of all time. That's just normal right now.

Hello and welcome to JB Squared. I'm JB Hager, joined by Johan Brunel, and we are going to look at stage 15 at the 2024 Tour de France. We're not only going to break down today's stage, but some interesting things that Johan has dug up it has to do with some of these record climbs we're seeing i think you're going to find it very very interesting and comparing it to 20 years ago or so there's a lot of that going on right now uh and it's very very interesting so we'll get to all of that in just a second before we do thanks to our title sponsor ketone iq um we spent last night going to dinner with Michael Brandt the CEO and a couple of his people had a good time hanging out with them and then if you are curious about ketones what they do and how they affect

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for the people in the breakaway well some of the same people in the breakaway but let's go back to how today unfolded first yeah i mean you know it was it was uh on paper was a harder stage than yesterday almost a thousand meters more of climbing five clients four cat one clients a horse category climb uh but especially uh the first seven kilometers from kilometer zero on uphill start at the bottom of perez surda we could see a bunch of attacks nobody really got away uh but finally um after the peter surde and a few other little climbs, we had a strong breakaway with, of course, in there some good climbers. Before you mentioned who's in the breakaway, I heard that four minutes into today's stage, Cavendish was off the back.

Yes. So Ian, did you see him go across the finish line? They came in they came in i think uh i mean they they calculated everything perfectly but they they basically rode as a team they was together all day my point is that's how hard this race started today yeah yeah i mean for sprinters this is a nightmare i mean you know you're going to get dropped on the first climb. You know, if you're in a day, if you have a day that you're a bit off, you're by yourself. I mean, for these type of riders, it's really a battle to not be alone on that first climb because then you don't know what's going to happen

right after the climb, if it's going to slow down, if you're going to get in a group or, um, anyway, bodies everywhere, but strong group of, of, of riders with, you know, like the typical sub tech suspects, you know, Ben Healy was in there, Carapaz, Jai Hindley, uh, Simon Yates, uh, Enric Mas, um, not his usual thing because usually he asked for GC, but not anymore. Um, Toby asked Johansson. So really strong riders.

But what we saw is that for a change, Visma took over the role of UAE and they started to pace. Visma paced the whole day. The whole day they paced. The break never got more than three minutes. And, I mean, you know, I guess their tactic or the thinking behind their tactic was that they would set a hard pace to wear out their rivals to kind of isolate Tadej Pogacar and have a high energy expenditure stage, which has worked in the past. The difference is that this year, Visma is weakened because of all the mishaps they had and the bad luck.

And they don't have the resources to do it. So I thought it was a bit risky with the team they have for the moment. And especially, it's a 200 kilometer stage and once you start to do this job as a team that's it you're there for the whole for the whole stage nobody's going to come and help you because you have you have a bunch of riders in the front uh if there's 12 riders or 15 riders at least there's six or seven who are there on purpose to win the stage. So you have those teams coming and complain, right?

To you, to the riders, but also in the caravan, between the cars. What are you doing? And then I guess, I mean, listen, Wismar, they had to try. They had to try, but was it really the best move? I don't think so? I don't think so.

I don't think so because very early in the stage, there was still 50 or 60 K to go and Jonas only had

two teammates left. It was Jorgensen and Wilco Kelderman. And he at least needed one guy for

the bottom of Plateau de Bay. Plateau de Bay is a long climb um so uh they did what they what they planned to do but but it was very very difficult that it would work especially you know having seen the performance of pogacar yesterday it's not like all of a sudden from one day to the other he's gonna crack and perform so much

less right so um i i got the impression they were hoping pogacar would overheat it seemed like a very very hot day the writers were yeah pretty cooked and and that could have very well happened if with that high pace yeah you know usually it can happen but you know i mean a guy who's really in top top top shape like pogacar has now shown he is uh it's very unlikely something's gonna happen even if it's super hot even if it's you know a super hard stage even if he's by himself i mean just you just you have to ride him off his wheel off the wheel's going to be very difficult. So I applaud their courage. Now, was it the smartest thing to do? I don't think so.

But then you could argue, okay, what else could they have done? Not much. Not much, right? Because as soon as you could say, okay, we let the stage win go, that would have been the case anyway, because if they brought the group back, it was almost sure that Pogacar was going to win the stage and not Jonas, because Jonas needed to attack. Do you think UAE was willing to let, at this point,

are they willing to let these stage wins go? Yeah, for sure. Right. So that has to be incredibly frustrating for all these teams looking for a win. Yeah. Especially going into the last week. The first day that UAE actually says, okay, for us, it's fine to break away goals. Then you have Visba chasing the whole day.

You know, and that breakaway, I mean, at the end um you know on on the last climb you have you have uh five riders you have enric mass ground tour stage winner ground tour podium two times in the world top joy hindley stage winner in the tour ground tour winner carapaz ground tour the ground tour stage winner and all three Giro winner. Then you have Laurence de Plus, who is like a super domestique in the mountains, and Tobias Johansson, ex-winner of the Tour de l'Avenir. So I mean, these five guys were definitely going, the five of them, with the intention to win the stage. They started Toto de Bay with a little bit over two minutes.

And then what I really want to point out is the amazing job that Matteo Jorgensen has done. He set a pace that put the hurt on anybody except Jonas and today. Everybody else was hurting. Adam Yates was hurting big time almeida 14 gc got dropped michelanda was hurting they were all hurting so um jurgensen set a very strong pace from the from the the bottom and for a very very long time which you know the thing is you know, the thing is, you know, if you have one guy, that attack of Jonas has to come. I mean, if it's 16K, Matteo is not going to be able to do half of the climb at that pace by himself, right?

He would have to slow down. And if he slows down, then it's not really very effective. So we saw Jonas attack with 10K to go. That's very effective. So we saw Jonas attack with 10K to go. That's very long. 10K to go in Porto Alto Bay, that's a long, long way to finish. I guess they were hoping that Tadej would probably have a bad moment. It has worked in the past,

but not today. And I fear not for the rest of the tour. It's remarkable how much of a gap Pogacar can put in, in a short amount of time. Yeah. Yeah. And he's, how many of those has he done now? Like, you know, I, for sure, three of them I can recall. It's just boom. Here's an extra 20 seconds. Here's another little gap. I think today was the, today was the, the, I mean,

it was the third time and it's the and it's the worst for Jonas. He took eight seconds in the last kilometer on the Galibier. He took 15 seconds, I mean 10, 15 yesterday on Plata de. Today, he put 20 seconds in one kilometer when he went. Plus a bonus. No, I mean, on that first. Oh, just that first surge. He took over a minute at the end.

But that first surge. So basically from five to go to four to go, he took 20 seconds. And there you could really see the difference compared to, I mean, the pace of Pogacar on the Galibier was fast. Jonas was, you know, he lost that gap, but he maintained that same pace, right? Then yesterday, Jonas maintained more or less the same pace, at least visually.

It looked very similar. I think today what really strikes me is that the visual impression of both of those speeds was very, very noticeable. You could see that today was on a different speed. I mean, his leg speed was different, super high cadence. Jonas, good cadence also, but a little bit heavier gear. on a different speed i mean his leg speed was different super high cadence uh you want to ask good cadence also but a little bit heavier gear but the way they were actually you know going forward the speeds were different uh and at the end you could see i mean he takes takes over a minute in real time plus the bonification so i think it's like one 104 105 um so yeah we have a question at the end of this show about their cadence so we'll get

into that comparison a little bit more at the end because it's a very very good question and then obviously if you're listening to this you did not see it but gotcha one did you see his post race interview I did did. I did. Yeah. Okay. Completely different man today. Oh yeah. Different energy, different energy, different confidence, you know, all, all smiles.

Like I was looked at and I go, I don't think I've, I've seen his teeth yet. He's not even thinking, he's not even talking about, yeah, you know, we have to be careful. Have a, you know, he said, you know, we just need to stay together as a team. And basically he's not saying that, but he's saying it in between. Let's just bring it to Nice. Let's just bring it to Nice. I think in his motivation, in his mindset, it's done. And he just needs to be careful now how to manage.

I mean, listen, he has a more than three-minute gap. And every single crucial stage except that one stage where i mean he didn't really lose time but you know his plan didn't work out but other than that he has gained time every single time he he tried for it so uh what do you what are your thoughts on this, Jan? Because yesterday, Jan has said, tomorrow suits me better. It didn't work out that way. Because is he still thinking that if it's steeper and punchier, is that what he hopes gives him some kind of advantage?

I've tried to understand what he meant by that yesterday. Today's stage was very similar than yesterday. It was longer, and it was mountains from start to finish. Yesterday was different. There were three big mountains in the second part. But, you know, it's still the Pyrenees. They're very similar climbs, Plata de Bec, Plata de Bay. I mean, they're very similar climbs.

They're steep. They're not super, super high altitude. I don't know if you meant the temperature, maybe, that it would be hotter today. It was hotter, but it was not super hot. It was 28, 29, 30. That's not 36, 37. It's different.

So, listen, they definitely had a plan and they they had to try um but i i also think that if if jonas and uh and visma are or or realistic they must know that this is going to be very very difficult you know unless unless there's a bad day of pogacar which can happen which can happen but you know it's not the same thing as last year right i mean uh it's it's a i just think pogacar's on on a different level um all season all season by the way since he started since he started uh you know he was maybe a bit too enthusiastic you know a few stages in the tour but other than that he's been dominating everything so um and then on top of that you know we can we can we can safely say that this is not jonas at 100 he came to a very good level but this is not the same bingegaard

as last year right because i mean we know circumstances. So I think it's only logical. You know, I, I'm just going to throw this out there, like going back to your racing days, you know, before you were a director, like, do you recall a season where you were like, everything feels right. I'm on a team. I, I enjoy the, everything's hitting on all cylinders i'm healthy this is like because it's hard for all those stars to align right yeah injury just how you feel in general do you remember like man that year i just felt great everything was good yeah i mean personally maybe 95 you know we had a i had a great tour and i was i mean i I had a great tour. I had a great tour. I won a stage.

I took the yellow jersey. And then I finished third in the Vuelta later on. So that was not bad. But it was not the whole season. I was typically a rider. It took me a while. I needed until end of April, beginning of May to kind of get going. So it was completely different.

You know, we didn't, we, we came not in the season, super skinny. Uh, we raised ourselves into form. Right. Yeah. Which was common at that era. Yeah. Yeah. I was just curious.

But yeah, I mean, it, it, it does happen that, okay, this is the, this is the year. And you know, that year, everything works fine. You have no injuries, no crashes and everything seems to work well and then often when you're on a team where that goes you know success is contagious and uh everything works well um but definitely for today this year it is it is amazing since we're talking about uh today's year as a, you put together some numbers on what he's already accomplished just this year. Yeah. How many wins he has. Today was his 14th stage win in the Tour de France.

14. It was his 17th win of the season. And somebody made the calculation and he has 38 winning rate so far so so more than a third so one out of three races he's raced he started he's won and this includes 21 stages of the giro and 15 stages of the of the tour so, that's, that's 36 races of which the majority he has not won. Right. Because this is his third one. And, and, and the zero, I think, didn't he win four or five, five, I think. Uh, but anyway, the majority of those races, he didn't win and still he won one out of three.

Um, that's, that's just incredible, uh, for, for, you know, for a rider who there's a lot of races that either it's a breakaway or a bunch print and he won't win right uh that that's that's just incredible but what we see jb is i mean today's performance you know i've seen a lot of calculations on on the internet and on social media um and you know to come back on what we discussed already yesterday or the day before of how fast they're going and they keep going faster but today's performance it has been already now by certain by spy by several people who analyze the performance uh has been uh the greatest climbing performance of all times I mean that's something uh just to give you

a little a little background uh and we have this we have this picture here to to to show um he broke the record of Marco pantani who was until today the fastest rider up, uh, a plateau, the bay. Um, I think that was in, yeah, it was in 98. Um,

so Marco Pondani was, uh, 43 minutes, 28 seconds. He did not break the record. He destroyed it, destroyed it, you know,

like literally, uh, three and a half minutes faster, three and a half minutes faster than the fastest ever time at Plateau de Bay. If you compare it with Lance, Lance won twice on Plateau de Bay. His fastest time was 45 minutes, 40 seconds.

That's five minutes, 40. Five minutes, 40 seconds faster than Lance five minutes, 40, five minutes, 40 seconds faster than Lance, almost six minutes. You know, it's mind blowing. Okay. You know,

listen, it's 20 years ago and 26 years ago compared to, compared to Pantani. Right. So a lot has changed, right. A lot has changed. And,

and to come back on, on, you know, what we said before, the Pontani record today was broken by the first three. Also Jonas and Remco broke that record. Yeah. And Lance's best time,

the first 10 riders of today went faster than Lance. So I want to repeat that. It's a general, I mean, the level has gone up so much that they just keep going faster and faster you see it at all the different speeds you know uh in all the different categories you know nowadays you see stages at 45 46 kilometers per hour which before were like okay 46 47 that was like a top 10 of all time. That's just normal right now. So far in this tour, we had

a new record on the stage two on San Luca, new record by Pogacar and Jonas. On the Galivier with Headwind, new record by Pogacar. On the Col du Pertus, which is where Jonas was catching today,

new record by Jonas. O Plata de, yesterday, new record by today, and today, Plata de Be, new record by Pogacar. And we still have one week to go. So I think there's going to be at least two or three more new records, because it's just going to be at least two or three more new records because it's just going to keep going you know if you now i have this this stat here from uh i mean this is a really good uh twitter account called cycling graphs um and they said bogacar did 6.98 so watts per kilo for 39 minutes and 50 seconds uh at sea level this would translate into 7.27

watts per kilo best climbing performance ever jonas vingergaard despite losing one minute eight seconds did the second greatest plan of performance of all times it's just mind-blowing it is mind-blowing okay you have some thoughts on Jonas and what he's been through having to do a speedy prep for the Tour de France yeah. Share with everybody what your thoughts are on, one, it's already miraculous what he's accomplished, but it comes with a price, right? Yeah. And I think today it starts to show, you know,

we are all getting caught up into this incredible story. You know, Jonas going down so hard, terribly injured, maybe not making the start of the tour, then making it to the tour. And then bit by bit, he shows that he is a surprisingly good level. And so we all went into that hype of, oh, wow, you know, he's there. You know, he's going to improve. Which, you know, I think that's true to a certain point because i think one thing that has improved incredibly for jonas between stage 1 and stage

13 or stage 12 is his confidence you know he started with doubts and he started to feel better and better and better and obviously you know his, you know, his morale, the morale of the team, his confidence has improved tremendously. His physical form also a little bit. But then if you really think and, you know, you stop thinking and you distance yourself a little bit from all this enthusiasm, you know, you know that first you could, you come into the competition, you kind of feel a lot better than you expected. You, you improve a little bit, but at some point it's, it'll stop, you know, because this is, this,

this is not a training camp. This is the Tour de France where you have to go deep every single day. And you know, the non-crucial days, you know, the stages that are not time trials and not mountain stages, you go on the limit. So you don't have, you're not in a training camp where you can decide, okay, I do three days of hard work. I take a recovery day. This is different, right?

So I think that at some point, and maybe Jonas is there a little bit now, that his condition could, his physical condition could go backwards a little bit. Because especially after he has worked so hard on what I call an accelerated plan to find his form, race against the clock to get ready. At some point, you get to a point where you kind of plateau a little bit. You reach a limit and say, okay, now my body needs to kind of take a step back to assimilate, you know, all the, all the efforts I've done to kind of take it on board and take the next step. You know, typically that would include a little recovery period.

That's not possible in the Tour de France. I think that's what we're seeing with Jonas. You know, he's going to stay at a good level, but he does not have that super punch that we use from him. Plus, he's up against Pogacar, who's on a different level. I wrote down that Jonas built an express type of form on an unstable foundation. Usually, you have to have the foundation, and then you build your form on that. And that's not there.

It can work, but usually it doesn't last for a long time. And so- And what I'm hearing is he could crack. Well, I don't think he's gonna crack. He's smart enough and they know how to manage their efforts. I mean, I don't think he's going to crack. Listen, he's smart enough and, you know, they know how to manage their efforts. You know, I mean, I don't think he'll crack. But what I saw today was a different speed, really a different speed in both Pogacar.

And I was surprised to see Pogacar attack with 5K to go. You know, he didn't need to. So, obviously, when he decided that, and also looking at all the interviews I've seen, it was not part of the plan. Their plan was just to manage and control Jonas and attack at the end and take a bit of bonification. Now, Pogacar has felt that Jonas was pushing hard. Pogacar was kind of, okay, not going say comfortable but he was he was okay in the wheel of jonas and when finally jonas looks back he goes uh my first reaction said why why are you

doing this because 5k is long you know do it with two and a half k to go or something don't just don't take the risk but But he must have felt something. It's the same like when I said the other day when they were taking pulls, Jonas and Pogacar. Jonas was feeling that Tadej was empty. You feel this. You're so close. You're looking at his style. So, I mean, I think it's only normal what happened Jonas could fade away a

little bit but he's not gonna crack I don't think he's gonna crack if he fades away significantly it could open the door for Remco it's possible Bradley seems to think so. You know, I have doubts. I have doubts because I think from now on, what we might see is, you know, at some point Jonas and Rizmo are going to have to accept that that's their level and that Tade today is a step above and and protect that position they're gonna they're gonna need to manage that you know because if he keeps if he if i i fear i really fear i mean it's it's a great spectacle but i fear that we're going to see a race for seconds and that pogacar is going to win another stage easily uh because if he goes, Jonas is not even going to react. He's going to ride his own pace.

And then usually what we've seen is that Remco can't follow that. Now, we'll see. I mean, for the moment, Remco is a little bit over two minutes behind Jonas, I guess. He's a great time trialist. The last day is a time trial. We'll see. I mean, I think the podium is sealed. These are the top three. Nobody else comes close to the podium. Let me, I haven't heard anyone talk about this. Let me ask you if this is a psychological effect or it's a non-factor. So when your yellow jersey wearer is also the polka

dot word jersey wearer which pogachar is they because of the sponsors they want that jersey on somebody so you loan it to the next person so if i'm yonas i don't want to have to wear a jersey on loan from my biggest rival. He hates that jersey. Right. No one's talked about that. I wanted to get your thoughts on that. Let me see the points. I mean, of course, today it's even, I mean, listen,

it's the first three in the GC also. Bogacar, 77 points. Jonas, 58 points. And Remco, 42 points. So those are the three. That's not going to change it's over it's over

that's not going to change anymore so Jonas is stuck with that jersey it's not it's not really a jersey you want to wear if you're not if you're actually not

winning it if you have to wear it on behalf of your biggest rival. That's not fun. No. No. Okay. I mean, listen, at least he keeps it classy.

You know, he just wore the jersey. No polka dot shorts, no polka dot socks. Right. Right. Right. I like that. I like that. Oh, if his team showed up, like his support staff showed up with all the Polkadot stuff, he'd have been like, no.

You know, JB, this is something you could see from a smaller team, even if it's on loan. They would still. They would do that. Polkadot it out. They would do that, yeah. Because it's huge publicity, you know, but obviously visma and jonas uh are used to something else so yeah that kind of listen at least at least uh if everything stays like this the last time trial the top three riders are going to be in their non-team issued skin suits, which is fair. That's, that's a very good point. Yeah. If, if, cause if,

let me remind listeners, if they weren't listening, uh, in week one that UAE skin suit apparently can save, uh, you know, maybe a second per kilometer. And so that that's a, that's a if yeah they're all being equal but bisma has the same type of technology um you know they all have super special skin suits which are probably you know better quality in terms of aerodynamics than uh than the tour de france issues that's a very good point no but that's a very good point. No, but that's a very good. I'm not saying that, you know, it's, I think it's Santini, the brand. I'm not saying, I mean,

they're obviously providing their fastest possible fabric, but it's not their usual fabric that the guys are used to. So, so yeah. No, that's an interesting point. It'll be a level playing field on the last day. Yeah. Very good. Any other top 10 shuffle

catching your eye? Well, yeah. We saw, let's see, Mikel Landa jumps over Carlos Rodriguez. Carlos Rodriguez loses one spot. Amazing performance of Mikel Landa, actually. Being the domestique for Remco and finishing fourth in the stage, only a minute behind his leader.

But, you know, if you look at it, massive gaps, right? I mean, okay, Jonas is 1.08, and then Remco is almost three minutes. The third one, the fourth one is four minutes, and then the fifth and the sixth are almost five minutes down. Today, just today, just today. Massive gaps, massive gaps. I mean, crazy. But no, I mean, we're going to see an interesting battle for the top 10.

You know, Derek G hangs on to his hangs on to his ninth place. Matteo Jorgensen lost two spots, which is, I think, normal.

You know what I mean? He's not here to do top 10. He's here to do a job. Right. Yeah, when he peeled off, he was blown. Yeah.

Yeah. So we're going to see there, you know, Ciccone, Derek G, Buitrago, and Felix Gall. Those four guys

are going to battle it out for, you know for places 8, 9, 10, 11. I said something. Top 10 in the Tour de France is something. It's an accomplishment for a rider. Especially for some of these young guys. Yeah. I said something while we were watching. I said, would Healy be doing better if he wasn't having to go back and help carapaz and because he's he's an

aggressive right but brad uh sir wiggins was like uh he's like no carapaz is is gaining strength he's gonna have a good last week it looks like it yeah definitely yeah he wrote himself into form in the studio france yeah um he's gonna be in a lot himself into form in the Tour de France. Yeah. He's going to be in a lot of breakaways in the mountain stages. Yeah. If these GC guys let them go one day. He's going to be in the break. The question is, will the break make it to the finish?

I mean, one day it's going to have to happen, you know? Yeah. It's going to have to happen. And then, you know, it's up to these guys like Henrik Maas, like Jay Hindley. Simon Yates today tried it a few times. So, uh, so we'll, we'll, we'll see. Okay. I think that covers everything from today, unless you have anything else and you know, we're going into. Yeah, that's, that's about it. Uh,

going into a rest day and then tomorrow. And then we have a, in theory, the last opportunity for the sprinters which most likely will be a bunch print i mean i don't see why these teams would stay in the race if it's not if they let a breakaway go uh but it's going to be a battle i mean it's we're going to have the work cut out so with the the sprinter teams will be doing a lot of the work tomorrow i'm guessing uh The day after tomorrow. The day after tomorrow. Sorry. Rest day tomorrow.

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hospital two months ago and is in second place by minutes in the hardest race in the world what an amazing race but feel we missed out on a great competition between Remco and Primos. Thanks for the great show. And I didn't clip your name. I am sorry. Sorry about that. Richard writes, wondering what shifting mode the pros whose bikes are on Dura on durace equipped uh do they use synchronous semi-synchronous shifting or manual mode that's from richard i have no idea i have i have that

durace electronic and it's in manual and i've never even thought to change that i i mean i i have two i have one bike on on shima on the race and one one bike on fram the one i have on on shimano i have it semi uh but it's out of you know out of just for comfort uh i i'm not gonna bet money on it but i'm pretty sure every single professional had it on manual they want to decide themselves yeah uh'll ship uh you know everybody knows i mean semi is good because you know it doesn't let you go all the way up when you're on the big chain ring and you know it doesn't it it shifts for you to keep the chain in the middle somewhere right but uh experienced riders prefer manual yeah i prefer that with cars too, by the way.

Manual shifting. Oh yeah. I need to buy. Oh yeah. And it's going by the wayside, you know, even, even with high end sports cars, paddle shifting. Come on, come on. Here's another one. This is the one that I was telling you to hold on to the cadence conversation. I have a question for Johan. It's not a strategic question, but more technical from all the recent footage of today attacks and Jonas following them. We can see clearly a big difference in their cadence today, spinning it much faster than Jonas.

Now we know their crank arm selection is very different. Jonas is on 172 and a half and today is on 165, but they're almost the same height respectively, according to the internet. It looks like today's high cadence played a big role in the attacks. What do you think about that? That is from Guy in Tel Aviv. Yeah.

Today has an incredible high cadence. You know, he's on 165 since this year or since the offseason he changed. Something that actually I had really trouble understanding it until somebody explained me the reason why they're doing it because usually I mean I was thinking old school you know longer lever more power uh it's it's actually different completely differently because it it decreases the angle of between your torso and your hip your you know you it opens the it opens the angle up more up so basically you are able to generate more power and at least and especially at a higher cadence but

if you look at today's cadence look at just for example i just opened his strava from from yesterday that he hasn't uploaded today yet but over over the whole ray over four hours. He did an average cadence of 94, 94 RPM average. And it's so, so mathematical. You know, I remember Strada Bianche, he won Strada Bianche in his first race, super hard race, you know, like with gravel sections, 96 RPM average. That's high for a road race um and um and you can see also today today

he had a higher cadence than jonas jonas is a different kind i mean jonas has a pretty high cadence also but it is not as high as as today i think it also it depends on the rider uh for for for today it seems to work really, really well. You would say if you have a super high cadence, you can maintain that effort for longer. When you're a bit overgeared, then you kind of push at, let's say, 85, 88, compared to 92, 93. You could say, okay, 88 compared to 92, 93,

you could say, okay, you can't maintain it so long. And it's more fatigue over time too. Yeah, well, but there's no theory. There's no ideal cadence, you know, unless it's really way too low. I mean, if it's below 70, then that's ridiculous. But, you know, 85, 90, 95, it depends on the rider really and how they train and how,

what they feel most comfortable with. Where does Rimco fit in on that? Oh yeah. High, pretty, pretty high cadence. Yeah. Yeah. He's up there with, he's up there with today, if not higher. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Great question. Thank you. I know who doesn't fit in there is, I mean, he's, he's a bit off now, but, uh, uh, Geraint Thomas is the opposite. Big ears. Super low cadence. It works for him.

Yeah. You know, Roglic, super high cadence, you know, extremely high. Yeah. Okay. Well, great question. And if you have a future question, send it in to the move at wedo.team. And enjoy your rest day. Although you'll be doing outcomes, right? Yeah, but yeah, there's going to be, it's fine now. I want to get a really good ride in tomorrow.

So I'll wake up early and go early. Oh, by the way, if you're not listening to outcomes, you should. It's in the same podcast feed. We just do audio only, so we don't have it on YouTube. but i guess you got all these head-to-heads right today from your predictions yesterday spencer spencer sent me the the graph and yeah every single head-to-head we uh we got it right so good day yesterday yeah yeah it's a really good show if you're not listening to johan and spencer on outcomes you are missing out. Trust me. Cool.

On that note, I'm going to let you go and we'll talk on Tuesday. Okay, JB. Thanks.