THEMOVE - Tour de France 2025 Preview | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

Lance, Johan, George, and Sir Bradley Wiggins break down the 2025 Tour de France, which kicks off tomorrow in Lille, France. They delve into the looming GC battle between Jonas Vingegaard and Tadej Pogačar, how the flat and fast opening week will complicate things for the GC contenders, and identify which stages will be critical to the battle for the overall win. They also discuss how the historically stacked field of sprinters and Classics stars could produce a series of instant-classic stage win battles, the strong American representation in the field, and much more.   LMNT: Get your free 8-count Sample Pack with any LMNT purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/themove Be sure to try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water.   Roka: THEMOVE listeners get 20% off. Just go to https://ROKA.com and enter code THEMOVE at checkout.   Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/   Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove   Timeline: If you care about performance, recovery, or just want to stay strong as you age — check out Mitopure. Go to https://timeline.com/THEMOVE and you’ll get 20% off.

What's good with Jonas is he's coming to win the tour. Yep. That's the main thing. He's not coming here to finish second place. You know, he's going to take it to Taddei to try and win the race. Whereas Remco... With the team to support that. Yes. Whereas Remco, during the week, I saw his comments talking about what was success for him at this Tour de France. And he said a stage wins in the time trial and a podium place.

That kind of tells you his mindset coming into this, that having seen what he had at the Dauphiné, maybe he believes that the win is a little bit beyond him. So it could be, it will be a two horse race, wasn't it, this tour? All right, everybody, that was new. That was new. Welcome back to the Move podcast. Talking about the 2025 Tour de Francis. This will be the preview show. Of course, I'm Lance joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins to my left. All the way to the left, Mr. George Enkapi and via Zoom, our guy, Johann Brunel.

And do not be confused. Johann is not Bradley was a little confused. He is not in Paris. As has been the case for the last couple of years, Keto and IQ will be our presenting sponsor each and every day. A couple of other cool things to note and flashbacks. Alan, of course, will be here every day on audio telling us where we're starting, where we're finishing. And new for this year, we had a little bit of it last year. We had a dab. But new this year, we will be live each

and every day on Peacock here in the US. So what does that mean? That means if you're watching the race, I think you just keep it on, I don't know how all this stuff works, but you keep it on that channel. That'll then go into the post-race show with TJ Van Garderen, Brent Bookwalter, and then you just keep it on that channel and then it'll roll right in to us. The move. How's that? Great. I mean, it's pretty sick. Yeah. I think it was a little bit of an anticlimactic intro. I mean, we're back. 2025 Tour de France. We got Sir Bradley Wiggins with us for the whole time this year. I don't know about y'all, but I'm super excited and I know Lance is. He might not have come across that way just now. It's a long race. It's a long race.

It's a long race. We've got to ease into this thing. This is gonna be an interesting tour. We're gonna break it down. This is just at a high level and of course having Johan here is a real treat because he studies well Maybe not sir Bradley, but he studies this stuff a Hell of a lot more than George and I do right Yeah, correct. That's not very excited. Who's the one that's not excited? One other sorry one other housekeeping thing because we've gotten a lot of questions. We will be doing a daily episode of outcomes

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just your impressions of this first week, call it the first half. At a very high level, you sort of say first half, no uphill finishes, all the climbing concentrated into the back half, but for now, let's talk about this first half. Then you, sorry, you layer in potentially the weather element, wind, rain, tight roads, hectic first week.

It's going to be filthy. Filthy. That is the word you used. Yeah. It's going to be tough for everyone, whichever type of rider you are, but more so the GC guys, you know, splits, losing time, the wind and the rain if it happens the saving grace is that time to on stage five which You know is also an added pressure for guys that want to keep to the front that potentially can take yellow there I'm thinking specifically of Remco, but you sort of start to you sort out the pecking order

Yeah, yeah, right And so guys are just be but this is you we all know right? That those weeks like this or halves like this, you have everything to lose and not a lot to gain. It's a, it's not a great scenario. It's great for fans. It's great for the spectators, cause a lot can happen, but the nerves will be high. It's back to like sort of old school start

of the Tour de France. I mean, the last couple of years, the first couple of stages were so hard that the GC guys were just focused on their climbing and potentially a lot less risk. Now my guess is these GC guys are going in a lot with a lot more nerves because a lot more bad luck can happen with the wind, the rain, guys risking their lives to win a stage, guys risking their lives to make the breakaways. So everybody can be there at the final. Like potentially a full peloton can be there. Or there could be splits and crashes. I mean there's just so many things that could happen in this first 10 days that it's going to be action packed, exciting to

watch but as a GC guy I would be super nervous. As our team I would be confident like back in the day because you have the guys in the wind, in the rain and the classic storage type guys like I think Visma is pretty packed in that in that sense, but still a lot of nerves. Johan, your impressions, but layer in you have, I think we all agree, I mean you have more intel so to speak when it comes to the Peloton and then races certainly like the tour, but layer that in. What the impressions of the tour overall and then specifically this first half?

Yeah, it's like Bradley says, you know, it's the first week, the first 10 days actually, except the time trial is hectic. We're going back to old school Tour de France scenarios. If you look at last year's Tour de France, we had hard stages in the first week. Stage four, I think, last year was already over the Galibier. The year before also was in the Pyrenees over Marie Blanc. So this is completely different. So I think in terms of stress for the GC riders, it's going to

be massive. The sprinters have a lot of opportunities. I think also in those first 10 days, there's a few stages which are really very, very ideal for breakaways. So we'll have to see what the sprinter's teams want to do. But you know, this is the tour, every single opportunity they have, they have to take it. So we see less and less breakaways, right? And since this tour, it's heavy loaded on sprinters, you know, the best sprinters of the world are here and these teams will obviously not let

any opportunity slip away. I think it's interesting to see that stage five, that time trial in the middle of those first 10 stages. That's really the key point where we're going to see the first real head to heads between the GCC guys. I don't think there's going to be any surprises. It's a 33 kilometer time trial, not very hard for specialists.

Normally Remco should win that. And I even see him take yellow there. And so, you know, from then on, of course, you know, if Remco's in yellow, he will try to defend it at least until stage 12. That's a little what I foresee. I also foresee that stage one will be won by Tim Merlir. He's very famous to win the first sprint in any Grand Tour he has participated in.

He has won already, I think, 10 races this year or 12, I don't remember now. So yeah, I mean, what's for sure, it's very, very nervous. You all, you guys know very well what it is the first week of the tour, but the way this Tour de France is designed, it's very stressful. Let's not, Johan, let's, I agree with you.

And historically, that's the way I think it would go, but the way they're racing these days, the way what we've witnessed in races like the Dauphiné, the top three, four, five guys now are so much stronger that They're able to make differences on category four climbs. We're back in the day. That was never happening These guys are taking the chances to attack When nobody's expecting it and they're they're able to ride away from the best riders in the world essentially So we're seeing a different style of racing

We're seeing a Jonas for instance in the press conference saying he's coming in a lot heavier than last year with a lot more muscle. Why? I think because he's getting ready for these first 10 days just to be able to battle out with the classics guys, make the differences on these normally non-essential climbs that don't make differences usually,

but they're making the differences now. Any chance they can get, They're racing so aggressively. So I think we're going to see more action than expected from these GC guys in the first couple of stages. And I also think that having, I mean, I don't know, it's always hard. You look at it, Jonas Winkler go and the kid says he's put on muscle. He's bulk quote unquote, bulked up. Hard to see.

Yeah. Right. I mean, we're talking about guys that weigh 60 kilos. I to see. Yeah. I don't see that. However, you know, we talk about if you've watched the news or watched the weather in Europe, it's it's been unseasonably and extremely hot. Right. A lot of places, 100 plus degrees Fahrenheit. Then you come to the start of the tour, obviously hectic, obviously hard. And we're talking about 60 degrees overcast, potentially rainy, windy. Then it doesn't hurt to have, you hard, and we're talking about 60 degrees, overcast, potentially rainy,

windy, then it doesn't hurt to have a little, I don't know if you want to call it an extra layer, but come in with some reserves. We're talking about professional cycling here. We're not talking about you and Bradley, you're all yoked up from the gym days. We're talking about one kilo, two kilos makes all the difference in the world. So if this guy's coming in one kilo more heavier, he knows that it's for muscle, so he's thinking it's power.

I don't hate it. Yeah, I like it. I mean, I'm gonna believe him and I don't hate it. I think he'll want it. Johan, just one note, and I do think it's, I just learned this yesterday. You talked about, or you mentioned that all the best sprinters in the world are here? I might just take A second to note that that Matt's Paterson is not here. So Trek has decided to bring Jonathan Milan

Not sure what to believe or think about that but apparently Matt's Paterson not entirely Content with that decision. Now, obviously he had a great Giro. That was always the plan. Just shows, you know, these guys, I mean, the Giro's great. Giro's fine, right? But the tour is the tour. Right. And so that's where did you hear he wasn't happy about that? I would. Our resident propeller had Spencer Martin

got that scoop. God, that's a scoop. That's a big year that he had the classics to Giro. I'm thinking he's content with his year so far. But let later season. Yeah, later season. And don't quote me on this, but I believe his view was something to the effect that I'm going to

I'm going to bankrupt the team by winning so many stages in the Giro. It's been I think I think he wasn't... We might be editing that out. I'm not entirely sure. I think he wasn't happy at the beginning of the season with the choice. He had to agree with it,

but I think if you look at his classic season and his Giro, and then he's going to go to the Vuelta again to try to win the points jersey. I think it's pretty good for Mats. Yeah, I don't think his season could be any better right now. And I mean, you know, the Grand Tour de France is the biggest show in cycling, but a guy

like that, that's essentially done everything you can do in the sport of cycling, he's probably okay with it. Wiggo, what is it to talk to us? It's been a second on the time trial, 33 kilometers. It's been a second since we had, you know, of course we come from this generation where you had two 50 kilometer time trials and you look at the way the sport has evolved and time trials have gotten shorter and shorter, but 33 kilometers, it's a bit of a throwback. Yeah, it's going to be 35 to 40 minutes of effort, which is nearly twice as long as the Dauphiné time trial was. And we saw the time differences there that Remco made. So I think it's considerable. And you also saw Vengogo put time into Pogatars.

And you also saw then you go put time exactly into poker to Very similar parkour to the dofina time trial The the route is pretty straightforward. It's an out and back of town So I think it's quite it's gonna be because I mean the way to Remco time trials You could see him coming away there with a minute plus lead it all stays together until we get to the time trial Which is considerable, you know, but I don't think, I think that will be more considerable and damaging for someone like Eunice. I don't think it really matters for Tadej

because I don't think it's gonna affect him psychologically how much time he loses there because we saw again, you know, as soon as it goes uphill, it'll just attack. So being the time trial specialist, you were a Bradley Olympic champion, Lance, obviously amazing time trialist. How would a Bradley Olympic champion, Lance, obviously, amazing time trialist. How would you guys go into these first four stages when you watched the way they have raced this year currently? Potentially some of these GC guys are going to try to slip

away on a category four climb and you're thinking of saving your legs for stage five, but how do you, I mean, how are you going to, how are these guys going to balance this? I know we, it was a very similar area to when 2012 and our approach was you and I crashed. Yeah. It was not in 2012. Oh, that was a two, 2012. We finished in Boulogne-sur-Mer. We started up in the North.

We finished the stage in San Quentin and it was very simple. We stay on the front and take the initiative and leave me as far to the front away from all the, and get to that time Troll zero time and but are you gonna go with the would you have gone with the GC guys condor attacking you or you never? Like you said before George, but they race differently now They do you know we didn't have that problem back then where we were concerned that a GC guy like constant would attack on these smaller Climbs now they were on the same mindset. Let's get to the time trial zero time. So we had the nerves are you always I was always nervous about those things Oh my god is a category four climber who knows what happens?

I mean that that nothing was gonna happen now, but it's healthy to sit there and And and be worried about that and be stressed and be aware that something could happen But you're right. I mean, you just got to stay up front and the X factor, as is always the case in cycling, is the wind. Like you just, it takes in a seconds notice, this race can drastically change. And I think the team that will take the initiative to get on the front and will be Visma. Yep. Because Eunice will be the most nervous of the GC guys, I think, in those situations. And they have the team to do it. It has an excellent team. They have the team to do it. Yep. As does Boguchar. Yeah. Interesting tour. Now the throwback

of this tour, as you know, of course, many, many additions in the last, I don't know, 20, 30 years of venture outside of France, this one. This is a tour to France. There's nobody leaving France. Yeah. First time in a while, right? That's happened. I like it. I like it. I do too. Yeah. First time in five years that they haven't left. And by the way, you know who else likes it? The riders like it, right? We all, and we've touched on this in previous years, when the tour leaves France, it's so unique and so special. It doesn't matter where it goes. England, Ireland, Switzerland, Germany, Spain, Italy, it doesn't matter. It's so unique and so special doesn't matter where it goes England Ireland Switzerland Germany Spain Italy doesn't matter It's so special for those countries that there's it feels like there's ten times the amount of spectators on the sides of the road

You'll you guys will all remember this tour eventually rolls back into France still a lot of people but a lot less I was like I have that I mean they're right next door to Belgium That's gonna be there's nothing like staying in a hotel Campanile, is there? Or an Ibis. I mean, there's some good ones. Particularly the North of France. Yeah. You know, the best is when you see on your hotel list,

because you, you know, for those at home who don't know, these guys know everywhere they're staying every night for three weeks, right? And so you're looking down the list and you see the Campanile, right? And then say it's the Campanile next to the highway before the time trial, and you're like, shit, right? Sleep may not be great, but you're scrolling down

and you see the Novotel. Boy, you're like, baby, that's my day. And the Novotel's a dump. That was my point. When I would see, I would do that and I would do the Mosca move where I knew, I never had my own room like you always did. So if I saw a Novotel like stage five or six,

I would call out to my roommate, like I got the big bed because there's always one big bed in a little couch bed. That's right. So I'd call it early. That's right. And you can also tell the quality of the hotel you're gonna be staying at

by what other teams are staying there. So if you're with a one to go bear, you're not, you're not worth so, or Skill Shimano back in the day. Yep. You're not, you're not, you're doomed. Skill's back in it, aren't they, this year? Are they back in it? I thought they You know, you're doomed skills back in it. Aren't they this year? Are they back in it?

I thought they were co-sponsoring a Vismont. Nike back in there. They are together with Robbo bunk. Robbo bunk and skill is back. Yeah. And Nike. And Nike. I think it is.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Adidas actually Adidas back in with Ineos. Ineos with a new co-sponsor. Total Energy. Total Energy, which also has a team in the Tour de France, which we were commenting on that before the show,

how it's a bit odd, but apparently the same umbrella group that owns both of those companies are working together now. Yeah. And when it does start to go uphill, it really does, right? And you don't need to look any farther than the uphill time trial. We can stay in the vein of time trialing. This uphill time trial.

It's a tough one. Is disgusting, stage 13, pitches of 16%. It's, phew. That's really tough. It's really tough. Well, you mentioned also, we saw earlier that the first rest days until Tuesday, so they're going to go 10 days without a rest day. 10 days of stressful, hardcore racing.

And when I first, I just assumed the rest days were on Mondays as they always are. And just in my calendar head, I thought, well, that sucks for the French, right? They're going to have their a stay on Bastille day They can't can't dye their hair and change their handlebar tape and ride around on Bastille day. Well, you know what? ASO smarter than me. Yeah, they did they moved it. It's not on a Monday It's now on a Tuesday So they will actually race on that Monday for Bastille day, which is which is better and think about I mean the Tour de France is hard enough as is but think about the potential weather swings.

We're talking about starting in 60 degree temperature tomorrow and the next stage 10 and the rest there in Toulouse, which arguably could be 95 degrees down there. So the amount of weather change they're going to go through in the first week is going to be pretty epic and very tough on the body. I mean, these guys are all used to doing, as Johan mentioned, heat training now and getting prepared for these super hot, hard, long stages and they're starting off with 60 degrees, potentially wind,

completely different weather. It's hard for the body to react to that. What do y'all make of, I've just seen some of the comments and watched some of the other preview shows on YouTube. There's a lot of talk about, and this maybe this is a good, this is a question for you, Johan, there's a lot of references to some of these key stages almost pulling them out to, let me say it another way, these are stages that Poguchar has suffered historically, right?

And so they really highlighted. This is not surprising to us that we know that ASO likes to spice things up like this. It is their right to do it. It's their race. It's their route. But what do you make of this? That you say, boy, these are the four stages where he's either really suffered or even lost the tour. And we're going to highlight those in the 2025 tour. Yeah, I mean, you know, we have the Vantoux where he got dropped by Jonas and Wout Van Aert. I know by Jonas.

We have Otakam where Wout Van Aert actually dropped him while pulling for Jonas. And then we also have Col de la Lose where he lost eight minutes Which by the way, I did call those last year with our friend poppy Man, that is gotta be one of the hardest times I've ever done in the Alps 26 kilometers long I mean it is insane how long and how difficult it is at the top. I mean pitches of 14% I'm excited for that stage. Sorry, go ahead. I think for today Pogacar version 2025, it doesn't matter. I don't think I agree with that.

He's completely unfazed. And I actually think, you know, the way I mean, I've watched a few interviews of Pogacar, you know, and, you know, he comes across as, you know, Mr. Nice guy, but the guy is a killer. This guy is a killer on a bike. And I think he's going to want to make it a point to say, okay, I've suffered here, but I'm back guys and I'm making everybody suffer now. I'm not at all worried about Pogacar on those climbs. Yeah, it's this relaxed vibe he throws off, but I think we all can agree that he's very

calculated and they're very organized and he's Extremely motivated. So yeah, I don't I mean I get it but I don't buy it He's also a very different riders what he was two years ago. That's right. He's a better a better much better I agree, but I'm hoping that there is a lot of Planning there's obviously a lot of planning going on with Vismilliza Bike and I'm hoping that they have put Jonas' whole year around these first 10 days to get through and perhaps make small differences but really peak his, what really reaches peak fitness and weight stage post stage 10 of this year's Tour de France and be able to give him a battle. I mean he sounds super

confident in his pre-race press conferences where he feels better than ever. I like it. I like the way it's shaping up because we don't want a boring race where Tadej just rides away from everybody. Well, and Jonas says he's on record as saying, I am stronger than ever. Yeah, and that was so is today. Well, that's where I was going with this was great. That's awesome.

If you're five percent stronger, whatever the percentage is that you are stronger than previous versions the problem for him can be that if to your point Bradley that if Finger guards 5% better But that a 7% better. I mean, that's how this math works. Yeah, but what's good with Jonas is he's coming to win the tour Yep, that's the main thing.. Yeah. But what's good with Jonas is he's coming to win the tour. Yep. That's the main thing. He's not coming here to finish second place. You know, he's going to take it to Taddei to try and win the race.

Whereas Remco... With the team to support that. Yes. Whereas Remco, during the week, I saw his comments talking about what was success for him at this Tour de France. And he said a stage wins in the time trial and a podium place. That kind of tells you his mindset coming into this, that having seen what he had at the Dauphiné, maybe he believes that the win is a little bit beyond him. Um,

so it could be, it will be a two horse race, wasn't it? This, this tour, but there's something else we have to have in mind guys, you know, and I mean, unfortunately, I think this is very likely to happen. It always happens. Is that, uh,, is that with this relatively flatish start of the tour the first week, we are going to lose one of the contenders. That's right. That's right. Ready in week one. And you know, in that case, Remco needs to be ready. Yep. Yep. And those are not things that are pleasant to talk about. And I think we were all, I think collectively we were trying to avoid talking about.

That's the reality of professional cycling. All of these, certainly those two names we mentioned, there is a chance, and to my point a second ago, everything to lose, nothing to gain, or at least not much to gain. There is a chance we lose one of those. We're going to go to commercial break for our friends over at Peacock. We'll be right back. We'll pick it up there and then we'll talk about the last couple of stages including the final stage in Paris which is different. All right and we're back. Welcome back to the move. George, you had a point you wanted to say. Yeah we haven't. We've been talking about

Jonas, Tajay, Remco for a bit. We haven't mentioned Primoz Roglic. I know he's crashed a bunch in the Tour de France the last few years. I'm still a massive fan of his. Five-time Grand Tour winner. Has an amazing team behind him. I'm hoping he gets through these first 10 days as well. And we can have like a mono-mono battle

with all four of these guys. And I know Bradley, you mentioned the Dark Horse before our show started. I want to hear your opinion Wow, I mean, I don't have a dark horse for GC I think I think it's a pretty much a two horse race personally But a dark horse for the third weekend stage wins is the young Spanish the new Spanish champion Iban Romero Hmm. I really like this kid. He won a stage in the Dauphiné the toughest stage in the Dauphiné. Yeah I know Johan will know him quite well, but yeah, he won the Spanish title at the weekend. First Tour de France, the youngest rider in this Tour de France.

Great. How old is he? 21. 21. And you know, I saw a stat about Ivan Romeo when Garen Thomas did his first Tour de France, Ivan Romeo was three years old. Wow. Still breastfeeding. And hopefully Movistar gives him a free card, Johan, and not, you know, sitting there working for Enrique Masso. Obviously, he's a top five, top ten potential candidate.

But we'd love to see this kid get some freedom, go for stage wins. I mean, what the stage he won in Dauphiné was incredible. Huge amount of power. And it's great that actually Spanish team has this Spanish star. And we'll let's see how long they can hold on to him for. Mm hmm. For sure. I thought you were going to say something, Johan.

No, I mean, Romeo is, I mean, he's a huge talent. He's world champion under 23 time trial last year. And you know, the way I've seen some interviews from him this week, I mean, this guy, this kid, you know, he has a really good head on his shoulders. He knows what he wants, very confident. He's never going to be a climber. He's super tall, he's a bit too heavy, but he can get over some middle mountains.

And he's a great, great, great ruler, a great time trialist. And yeah, I agree, Bradley. It's an interesting guy to follow in this tour de France. He's been on your radar. This is a Bradley question. Since the Spanish championships or just? No, before I watched it, Volta Andalucia early in the year,

he won a stage in February, I think it was. I like the way you put the lisp in there. Andalucia, yeah. I like that. That's what it's called, isn't it? It is. And yeah, yeah, he's a good kid, you know young Good you know it was well to Valencia. There we go. Well to Valencia. Yeah, this is

We with George and I were watching a few of these other preview shows on YouTube this morning one of them pointed out that the Winner of the Tour de France will get I think was five hundred and thirty thousand euros We wrote down, you know it we both sort of looked at each other and thought, well, hang on a second. That's what it was 20 years ago. 20 years ago. And it was in what sport? Now, this is honestly in what sport? Right. Wimbledon has started right here in a couple of weeks. We'll have the open, you know, in what sport? And not to mention that has not changed in 20 years.

20 years ago, Roland Garros was very similar to the cycling Tour de France prize money Which is at the time still is the biggest prize money in the sport of cycling now look at the prize money for Roland Garros It's millions of millions of dollars for both men and women and we're still stuck on the same Prize money that it was over 20 years In Wimbledon if you go out in the first round in Wimbledon, you get 120,000 pounds. Yeah. And this is just not, we are talking about it. You never hear this talked about.

No. I mean, and we wouldn't have been talking about it if they hadn't noted it in this other show. And it was just one of these moments where he looked at you and he's like, hang on a second. What? Back in the day that was good. Makes no sense.

Now it just makes no sense compared to the other sports. And we know that the sport of cycling has grown. It makes no sense. Now it just makes no sense compared to the other sports. We know that the sport of cycling has grown. We know that the viewership of the Tour de France has grown tremendously, arguably one of the biggest, most watched sporting events in the world. But the privacy of money remains the same. Johan? Yeah, and the same goes for what the Tour de France pays to the teams, you know, as like

their expense fee. It's been around 50,000 euros for the last 20 years, which, you know, doesn't even cover. That's, yeah, I actually read an article about it this morning, a Belgian journalist, our good friend, a good friend, Jonas Creteur, we have mentioned him already in the past. He did a really good analysis about the price money and expense fee of ASO and it hasn't changed. Same thing goes, for example, if you see how teams have grown, it's probably 45 to 50 people now

at the transfer to the team. They still only pay for 23 people. And that was like this already in your days, Lance. It was 23 people, you know, we, and we were fighting to bring 28 to the next or five people. It was always a struggle. I mean, the way teams are run now, it's, it's just, I mean, it's, it's at least 40, 45 people, but it's still 23. So I think that has to change. Yeah, yeah. Hopefully we start seeing some changes But we haven't as of yet. I think we need to shout out our American riders in the Tour de France We have five Americans in this year's Tour de France Quinn Simmons

Recent national champion recent recent stage winner of the Tour of Switzerland on a great season so far. I'm excited to see him Representing our Jersey, especially being at its fourth of July need to see him representing our jersey, especially being at its 4th of July. Need to shout him out. Not afraid to race. That not afraid, that boy's not afraid to race. No, no. Coolest looking guy in the Pelican. Cool.

I know, I wanted you to, I was going to let you take that one. I know you're a big fan of the look. Right? The facial hair, the look, you know? Yeah. But the attitude, he's definitely, he's great. Yeah, great. And we also have Will Bartha on Movistar,

Matteo Jorgensen, and Sepp Kuss on Vismillisibike, and Nielsen Palace on EF Education. All of these guys, I mean, incredible climbers. Can impact the race. Stage win potentially, even though we have a very small representation of the country, we got a solid representation. That's right.

Any one of those guys can win a stage or be a big part. We talked about certain cyclists in the past and we call them a couple things, panic-cooking, there's a lot of panic-cooking. I call them pack-fill. And they're just out there filling the pack. Our five guys, no panic-cooking, no pack-fill.

I think all five of them can can impact the race. I love, you know, Mateo, I watched. We also watched this morning. Jonas's press conference, just watching. Mateo was sitting right beside him, didn't have a lot to say. Wasn't getting a lot of questions, but you just kind of watch a guy. Yeah, right. Just sitting there as as the team leaders getting all these questions. Look good. Yeah, he looks ready. He looks ready. He had the stash. I know you're a big fan of this

And you know both you guys what the fuck is going on? I'm gonna have to up my face game very facial writer in the sense that he can win a classic in Belgium and in the Top three climber in the world Nielsen Palace. Yeah, another boy likes to race. Yeah, where's the numbers? Classic's right where's the number put the numbers on my back while those were start line. Yeah. Another boy likes to race. Yeah. Where's the numbers? Classics. Where's the numbers? Put the numbers on my back. Where's the start line? Yeah. I'm ready. All right. Yeah. Sick. America, baby. America. It is. Yeah. Happy birthday. July 4th. George will be in town. For anybody in Aspen listening to the show, George will be rolling around town

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But we all know how kind of horrible these first days leading into the Tour de France actually is media health checks. You're you're away from your training road. You're trying not to gain weight. You're not able to ride much. They're finally like, thank God this is all over. It's race time now. Even though they're all nervous, they know that all of that bullshit is done. And then they can just focus on their job and get ready to race.

And that's where their headspace is right now. Like tomorrow morning, it's go time. Do you spend the day getting your reserve bag ready for the truck? Yeah, exactly. You're not going to see for the first rest day, you know, all this stuff you're not going to need during the first week. You're putting your reserve sack. Correct.

I mean, we're driving down here to the set and talking about this first week, this first half, Sir Bradley's calling it filthy. We're driving a car in Aspen, Colorado, and we're sitting here thinking about it. We don't have to do shit. No, but it's going to be exciting. These boys are thinking. We've lived it. This is what this is. No, I know. But I mean, you're you're in. The other thing you're doing is you're looking around, right?

You're in a team hotel. There's four or five other teams there. You're the difference is just checking them out of the three of us. If George had the opportunity to be back there in a heartbeat doing that That's true. We wouldn't that's that's also true. Yeah There is a zero because you love it. Don't you George you love it? I would say that and you know that brings up a good point because I George and I had this it's been a couple years Or it might have been last year one of the days you weren't here. So Bradley We have this almost a debate. I said to George, I said, do you think that whatever,

if you gave us six months, nine months, 12 months of full training, training like these guys, could we finish the Tour de France? No, I couldn't. And he immediately said, George immediately said no. And you are now saying no. I looked at George, I said, you are crazy. Of course I could finish. I've

changed my mind. I don't think there's any way that I could finish. Yeah. I think you're right. I thought you were gonna say can you finish a stage? That's what I thought. Come on bro. No chance. No chance. I still I you know yeah I'm with you now I don't like it. I don't like admitting that but but that like it. I don't like admitting that. But but that's it. I don't think we could. No, I agree. Damn.

By the way, to the second half, and if we're talking about traditional tours and this throwback to sort of pushing the the selective stages later in the race, but what is traditional would have been, you know, the day before Paris just one of these You know the days where you may as well go organize your sock drawer. That's not the case, right? The penultimate stage 3000 meters of climbing then we roll into Paris. We're all used to what we see in Paris

Thank God the tour is back finishing in Paris with the Olympics gone But you know, I don't know eight to ten laps on the Champs-Elysees, a very ceremonial. It's it's it is very special as a writer. And it's also special to watch here. You're talking about one of the most storied and beautiful streets in the world, boulevards in the world. But no, the tour to enter wrench into those plans. And and I like it. All right.

And we get I don't love it. But and I well, it is it's different. Right. And and Johan, you and I spent time up on previewing last year when we were in Paris together, previewing the Olympic road race, climbing up the Montmartre. I'd never been there. Whoa. This is in Paris, cobbled streets, a climb, a beautiful obviously the church on top.

They have incorporated pieces of the Olympic road race into this final stage. Now the debate is, obviously, is that the right fit? But also, does that, is that a race? Well, to back up just a skosh, nobody races the stage in Paris necessarily until the last lap and a half. Does this then make it a race and or does it impact the results coming in? It's going to have to be a race. And I think the rider in me doesn't like it because historically the Tour de France is the hardest sporting event in the world.

I mean, let these guys enjoy the last stage and then the race the last hour or whatever it is. Now it's going to be a full on stress battle where potentially a podium guy can lose his spot on the last stage of the Tour de France. Exciting for the fans, but as a rider, I don't like it. I think it's disrespectful to the history of the Tour de France and to the riders. Those are big words. Big words. Those are big words. I mean, it's very narrow. It's narrow, one kilometer, 6%.

It lends itself to crashes and all sorts and six kilometers from the summit to the finish. God forbid it rains. We know what happens when it rains on the Champs-Élysées. It's like ice skating. And a couple times up, several times up, three times up, is it, I think? So four times.

Four times up. They can't not race it they're gonna have to race it because if you get stuck in the back you can never see the front in those last six case so they're essentially forced to race this stuff it's gonna be a completely different last stage of the Tour de France excited as I said exciting for the fans but as a rider I don't like it correction three times up three times up three times up you spoke to Mark Cavendish got his thoughts on Mark thought

It was an interesting. I mean, he's not racing now, obviously So it's it has a different take on it But he thinks you know, you've you've got to make tough decisions sometimes order to grow the race change things, you know change traditions I do agree with George on this one. I do think that the Sean's at ESA should remain as it is But all changes for the sprinters Yeah You know exactly also a day to celebrate as it is. World championships for the sprinters. Yeah, exactly. Also a day to celebrate the fact that you made it to the Tour de France, that you made

it to the top ten, that you made the yellow jersey. You graciously let me riding to the Tour de France in the front to honor my retirement. I mean, that's what the last stage of the Tour de France is all about. This is a completely different thing. You know, I mean, again, it's their race, it's their route. They can do what they want. This is not a 10 year contract. This could be.

But on that, if they want to do that and mix up the end of the race and then they're going to expect a different energy and a different level of nerves at the start, so they can't then necessarily expect the whole sort of pomp and ceremony. Nobody's drinking a champagne before that. Before a stage like that. So they're going to have to accept that it might change the energy at the star Right and where I was going was that this could be one and done. Well, we're obviously we're gonna find out we're fine and and I don't think you guys are alone and

And wishing that they had the traditional run in here to Paris I by the way, if you if I had to pick pick I would I would agree with you guys. It's very special. All right, well, hey, we don't have to wait long. We'll see y'all tomorrow. We got stage one, let's go. And if at some point we'll do a little fun, little walkthrough for y'all. We've bolstered the Move studio.

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I don't know, we gotta walk like five steps. It was very important, you know, because it's difficult to organize people like George and even at Times Sir Bradley. So they can't run far. I'm right here, they're right there. I got them. We're on NBC every day. We got a time clock.

We're not on our own time anymore. This is it. All right, boys. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see NBC every day. We got a we got a time clock. We're not on our own time anymore. Hmm Our boys, thanks for tuning in. We'll see you guys live