THEMOVE - Tour de France 2025 Stage 3 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Lance, George, and Sir Bradley Wiggins break down Stage 3 of the 2025 Tour de France, which featured a sprint royale between Tim Merlier and Jonathan Milan, and a series of crashes that took down high...-profile riders like Jasper Philipsen and Remco Evenepoel. They discuss Merlier's win, the unsafe course conditions that led to the crashes, check in with Spencer Martin over at WEDŪ's race prediction show, OŪTCOMES, and discuss what to expect on tomorrow's tough stage, which could produce stage and GC fireworks. Catch Spencer & Johan on OŪTCOMES on THEMOVE feed and use our special link to see where you can bet in your area and claim the best sign-up offers https://nxtbets.com/betoutcomes/ Roka: THEMOVE listeners get 20% off. Just go to https://ROKA.com and enter code THEMOVE at checkout. LMNT: Get your free 8-count Sample Pack with any LMNT purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/themove Be sure to try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water.   Timeline: If you care about performance, recovery, or just want to stay strong as you age — check out Mitopure. Go to https://timeline.com/THEMOVE and you’ll get 20% off. Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove   Helix Sleep: Their FOURTH OF JULY / BEST OF WEB OFFER is ending: 27% off all orders on the site Go to https://helixsleep.com/THEMOVE. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you!   Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

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Starting point is 00:00:00 But what I am sure about is, poor Philipson, if you haven't broken your collarbone racing a bicycle, then you haven't raced enough. It just always happens. It is the most common injury. Hilliard He landed straight. Normally, you get an arm out and you get something to break the fall right down on that right shoulder. It was awful to watch because he got to the side of the road, guys stopped for him. So, you're thinking, okay, there's a little bit of hope.
Starting point is 00:00:34 And then the next thing you see is the guys, they just send the guys off. At that point, Bradley's like, he's out. And we are back. Welcome to the Move Podcast. I'm Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins, Mr. George Hinkappy down there, who has spent most of his morning not watching the Tour de France, however, instead watching Wimbledon. Wiggins I was multitasking, yes. We're covering stage three, won by Tim Merlier. We'll get into all that action. Alain, first, tell us. Where do we go? Alain Liget, stage three, from Valenciennes to Dunkerque. Love that. As is the case each and every day. Today's show brought to you by Ketone IQ. Real quick at a high level, Tim Merlier, second stage win. First stage win of the tour for Quick
Starting point is 00:01:32 Step. Third in a row for the Benelux region. Photo finish. I mean, it was close. It's always funny. The guys, as you watch on TV, you have no idea who won. They always know. He was right there. He merely signaled that he did won. He knew. Yeah, it was tight. From our angle, we had no idea that he won.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Super close, super tight. Interesting lead outs going on. I felt like Trek perhaps maybe dropped him off a bit too early on his own, but he jumped right on the post-picknick wheel, however you say it. He had a straight run-in. I'm sure he's going to take a lot of anger out of this loss and perhaps do things differently in the next sprint stage. Niu-Mas. He seems a little angry. He does seem angry. We're going to break down the sprint even more. Obviously, this is one of these days that on paper looked to be uneventful. It was not that at all. It was a very eventful
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Starting point is 00:05:35 That's timeline.com slash The Move gets you 20% off. Hill, we need some of that right now after that beatdown Mark gave us this morning. We hit up the gym. Back to the action now. This was one of these days that it's easy to say, relatively flat stage, you look at the profile, clearly going to be a field sprint here, let's go hit the gym. And Mark upstairs, boys putting the hurt on us. Then, of course, a lot happened. A lot happened. Quintessential sprint stage today.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Let's talk about the sprint, though. Tim Millier, a couple of fun facts. I did not know this, Sir Bradley filled me in. Of course, if you're watching the show, you can see his iPad here. He's got one sticker on One sticker on his iPad. That's a sticker of Frank Vandenbroek. For those old cycling fans, you will remember Frank Vandenbroek. You will remember the immense amount of talent that this man had. When this boy came on the scene, there was a moment where you're like, oh no, I guess we're all just going to be racing for second or let's find some other races. He had more talent in his pinky than most people had in their whole body.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Anyhow, the reason we bring this up, Tim Merlier is married to Frank Vandenbroek's daughter. Yeah, Cameron. Cameron. Yeah, pretty amazing. Anything else stand out about that sprint? Other than the photo finish, we do want to talk about Jonathan Milan. Curious about his style, your thoughts on his style. Yeah, just, I mean, his style, he looks like he's all over the bike. He kind of looks on arrow, but the guy comes from the track, team pursuiter.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Olympic champion. Olympic champion. Can win a prologue on many days as well. Has had an incredible couple of years. And this is his first Tour de France, I believe. You can see the nerves starting to get to him, the tension. He's gotten to do a couple of fights. But it's just a world of pressure mounted on his shoulders right now.
Starting point is 00:07:40 They left Matt Peterson at home. So it's all on him. And some people react differently to that kind of pressure. Hilliard But we've gotten so used to the greatness over the years, the last almost two decades. Of course, this is the first tour in a very, very long time. Mark Cavendish is not here. But we got so used to his style. Low, punchy, very aero. And then you look at him, Milan, head all over the place, sitting up high, a big guy. Imagine the amount of watts that guy has to put out. And then compare and contrast. You can just go on YouTube and watch. He's not called
Starting point is 00:08:20 the Manx missile for nothing, but totally different styles. Mason- He's very unorthodox, but it seems to work for him. He gets it out. This is a guy who is the world record holder for the 4,000-meter individual pursuit, which is sub four minutes for four kilometers. So he's very diverse in the way he can switch disciplines and he climbs well as well, doesn't he? But he's now leading the green jersey competition for his efforts. He won that intermediate sprint today. And so far, although he hasn't won a stage, he's justifying his selection over Mudd's Pederson, which is, I'm sure, part of the pressure. Mason-Hill of curiosity, Sir Bradley. So his time, and just going back to the 358, and your best time ever?
Starting point is 00:09:09 For 12. Whoa. 20 years ago that was. He went 14 seconds faster? He's quick. What? Wow. I think we also need to point out what seemed so easy, how Tim Miller came
Starting point is 00:09:27 up in the finish there. 500 meters ago, he essentially came up on the side of the Peloton on his own and seemed to be going 10K an hour faster than the leadout train and just slotted in right behind Milan with a couple bumping and grinding there. The moment I saw that, I was pretty sure he was going to win. Because if you're able to do that when someone's full gas leading out of sprint, that means you've got a crazy amount of power, crazy amount of confidence. He was on his own. He didn't even need his teammates there. And then I think Remco was helping with like 10K to go.
Starting point is 00:09:58 They all got stuck in a crash, but man, he was just floating. And he found that wheel and just was able to come around the line. Not easily, obviously, because it was able to come around the line. Not easily, obviously, because it was a photo finish, but still. Hiller-Cotton-Dawson We're going to break all those down. Interesting fact, it has been 109 consecutive stages without an Italian victory. The last Italian victory was Nibali in 2019. We're an inch away today. Hill, there's no way you pulled that one out.
Starting point is 00:10:27 That must be Spencer, our guru, giving his feet. No, I was Chachi BT. No, I don't know. Yes, of course Spencer did. Thank you, Spencer. But think about that. For that country, 109 stage wins without a win. 109 stages without a win.
Starting point is 00:10:42 2019, Nibali. That puts even more pressure on Jonathan Milan. I mean, think about it. His whole team, the whole country is waiting for him to get a victory, especially after the years he's had. We've seen it in some of his actions in the first two, three stages. I can understand that. Hilliard You had a lot of crashes. I was looking at the Roadbook online. I saw the final and I thought, interestingly enough, Sir Bradley, you had pulled up a YouTube clip of the last time, when the tour finished here in 95. We'll touch on that in a second. But I saw these left bend, right bend. I'm thinking to myself, and of course, we have just watched a half a dozen crashes already
Starting point is 00:11:32 on the stage. I'm thinking, I don't feel great about this. This feels dangerous to me. Nonetheless, that was the run-in. And of course, there was another crash. But it just brings up this question again. And the other thing you noted, rightfully so, is that the width of the road in 95, it looked twice as wide as the finish today. What are we doing? Mason- Well, it's the same. They finished here in 2022 when Welt van Aert attacked in the final of those last few climbs. You remember, we rode solo to the finish. Greer Oh, and did the Red Bull.
Starting point is 00:12:03 Mason- Yeah. And even then, the road. And even then, there are roads available to the organizers to use. I find it hard. I thought we'd gone away from this. I thought we were making the sport safer. And this is from the same organizers that of course run Paris-Roubaix, that have put a chicanium before Arenberg to make the race safer, which I think has sanitized the race personally because that's part of what the joy of Roubaix is about. But in terms of Tour de France finishes and things, that finish straight today was something I haven't seen for a while. It reminded me of a Giro d'Italia finish and it made it extremely dangerous. And I think there was a few crashes because of that, certainly the crash in the finish straight. Hill, let me point out what went on today.
Starting point is 00:12:42 When we saw with 30, 40K to go, my man Tim Wellens, by the way, rode away and got your favorite jersey, the K1 jersey. Great guy. He's a, you know, we chat once in a while, but great to see him in that jersey, especially since he won the Belgian National Championships.
Starting point is 00:12:57 But they were essentially rolling along kind of slow. Headwind, the peloton was all spread out, which as I mentioned yesterday is some of the most tense moments in all of slow. Headwind, the peloton was all spread out, which as I mentioned yesterday is some of the most tense moments in all of cycling. But on top of that, they all know, there's no guessing game anymore in these finishes. They all knew how technical the finish was gonna be so that adds even more tension.
Starting point is 00:13:18 And the fact that, yes, they're rolling around relatively easy, that means that all these guys in the back are fresh. That means they're gonna start moving up, moving up, making it faster, making it more dangerous. What happens is people start crashing straightaways into road furniture, whatever. But there's more crashes because of that. Hiller I mean, you saw this within the last five, six kilometers. You bring up road furniture. I don't know if it was necessarily road furniture,
Starting point is 00:13:42 but it was narrowing of the road to funnel the riders a certain direction. These random barriers. Kline-Murray Yeah, random space barriers with tape between them. Greer But you know, there wasn't time. Greer It's easy for us to say. Kline-Murray It is. Greer But it shouldn't be that way. Kline-Murray But I also remember a time when ASO would remove road furniture in the last five or six kilometres. Anything that was an obstruction or a potential danger, they would
Starting point is 00:14:09 uproot, re-Tarmac, and make a safer passage. And we seem to have got away from that. And whether that's a financial implications of doing that, I imagine they're probably huge based on the amount of furniture in these villages now. But nonetheless, it's the riders that have to face the consequences of that. One thing I'll say as well is someone who seems to avoid these crashes like the plague is Tadej Pogacar. Remco, yet again, caught up today in a crash. And Tadej, it's part of his greatness. I mean, you know better than anyone, how many times did you crash in your seven victories? You know? Muckerman How many?
Starting point is 00:14:41 O'Reilly I think one was it. And that was in the mountains. But you know, on these stages- M stages, I did tip over one at a time. But, yeah, I get it. Kline Well, I think the fact that Remco went down is obviously not ideal. Two days away from the time trial, another hard stage tomorrow. Clearly, he's not happy with that. But, at the same time, Quick Step had a disastrous first two stages. They come away with a win today. I think the morale is going to be a lot higher at the dinner table tonight. It's going to motivate
Starting point is 00:15:12 Remco even more to go for the win. Do you think it will be the morale? I think so. Because I sort of see the team split a little bit. You've got Merlier in the front winning the stage, which is great. But their man for the GT is lying on the floor. There's no cohesion in terms of their objectives. The speculation is rife about him leaving the team. I don't think the camaraderie or the morale on the bus or at the dinner table is off. Hill, who better to ask than Sir Bradley Wiggins?
Starting point is 00:15:49 I mean, the same thing happened in 2012 with Mark Cavendish, who was world champion, best sprinter of the world at the time. You're going for the OO. Talk about how you guys worked through those dynamics. Kline That caused a lot of friction within the team. We had the dynamic with me and Chris Froome. But not only that, we had the split in terms of objective of Cav wanting to win stages in green. And it caused friction within the team
Starting point is 00:16:10 and certain members of the team and certain DSs in the team, which has been well documented. But at some point, riders like me, I intervened and said, I do the lead outs as a friend of Cav and sort of active mediator, which we did. And it was the safest place for me to be in yellow was being on the front leading Cav out. Also the sacrifices he'd made for my yellow Jersey competition. So that, that kind of, that's how that played out. That obviously is different in every team. Well, talk about the, I would talk about the lead outs because I was also a lead out man for Cav. And I would never follow him from like seven kilometers ago until two kilometers ago because he was crazy. I mean, the shit he would do in the Peloton, I would never follow him from like seven kilometers ago till two kilometers ago, because he was crazy.
Starting point is 00:16:45 I mean, the shit he would do in the Peloton, I would always just try to find him with about 2K to go and then get in front of him with 1500 meters. How did you do it when you were leading? I had a very specific role in that my job was always from the two kilometer banner to about 800 to go. And that would give me enough time to swing off and then get back in somewhere down the line.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Now, Cav would always say to us, you do your job, I'll find you. Do not look back for me. Do not try and find me. I will get to you. And he would have Bernie with him or Ed Vald. We would just focus on looking ahead, never looking behind. But Cav was very vocal. Cav would always be sure to hear him 10 riders back shouting, right, right side of the road. And kind of so you'd listen to those instructions. You'd go, right. So Cav would break sprints down like no other rider I'd ever met. And you knew, you know, he would be calculating all the time, but he would somehow always find you. And I think that was the key to Sky's train anyway. You were very different. Your job is to sit behind Cav as long as possible, I guess.
Starting point is 00:17:45 Well, no, like I mentioned before, I told Cav the same thing he told you guys. Don't look for me from 7K to 2K to go. I will find you. And I would slot into their train because I would kind of try to stay near them, but there's no way I would go through the holes they were going through. I would go on the right side of the road. All those years of Shepard and you in the win at the finals, I think helped me, especially for those types of stages. And then I would slot into their train once we got clear and we were ahead of the group and we would do our thing.
Starting point is 00:18:13 But I did not want any part of their 5K to 2K to go. Niu-Mas. By the way, I'm on the sidelines here, just like everybody else listening or watching. That was fucking amazing. That was cool. I'm just sitting here going, whoa, I didn't know any of this. Hiller It was funny, too. I remember 2012. Go ahead, finish where you're saying that. Muckerman I appreciate what we all just heard.
Starting point is 00:18:40 That's some inside stuff that I have no idea. It's super cool. Hiller Klinekula So, Cav would go by. At that time, I was on BMC. He'd come by our dinner table and say, Anybody need a Sprinter? Anybody looking for a Sprinter? With his head down. He was world champion. He's always super emotional and dramatic. He was trying to be funny as well. He was going around asking other teams if they needed a Sprinter. Moser Well, of course, speaking of sprinters, and crashes, it was a very eventful day for Jesper Phillips. We saw the intermediate sprint.
Starting point is 00:19:10 This is when we were in the gym, and all of a sudden, it just happened. Debatable on who was to blame. I think Cokard got a lot of the blame on television, certainly got a lot of the blame on the road. As you watch this overhead angle, I'm not so sure. But what I am sure about is poor Phillipson, man. Bike racers, if you haven't broken your collarbone racing a bicycle, then you haven't raced enough. It just always happens. It is the most common injury. Hiller-Patek Argambore- injury. Hill, I hope that's all it was.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Barker, maybe it could be something else, but he landed straight. Normally, you get an arm out and you get something to break the fall right down on that right shoulder. It was awful to watch because he got to the side of the road, guys stopped for him. So, you're thinking, okay, there's a little bit of hope. And then the next thing you see is the guys, they just send the guys off. At that point, Bradley's like, it's out. It's over. Niu Wintle-Morris Look, I think I'd have a hard time blaming Cokard for that. I think it was just the perfect storm where he went to hit out to the right. The guy that was passing him on the left was leaning towards the left of him.
Starting point is 00:20:24 Hill O'Reilly The wanty guy. Niu W towards the left of him. The wanty guy. The wanty guy leaned into him. They hit each other at the same time. I mean, there was nothing for Cokard to do. The fact that Cokard didn't crash was remarkable. Clipped out of the pedal, sitting on his top tube. But, at the same time, Phillipson did not have the same luxury to react as quickly as Cokard. He hit the ground hard.
Starting point is 00:20:45 Like you said, he couldn't even put his hand out or react right on the shoulder. Hiller But if you break it down, Cokard got moved by the wanty guy on his right. And that's what moved him. You have to look at where this started. Kline I don't think anyone's to blame. I think it's an occupational hazard of what those guys are doing. And these guys are making micro adjustments to micro movements at those speeds that the next person reacts at. It's over-exaggerated movement from the first guy. And it's just, it's hard to explain what it's like sprinting at those speeds. Muckerman I'm glad I never had to do it. But that wasn't the view of team Alpecin. I mean, you saw one of their riders coming down on go guard and essentially blaming him, at least from what we
Starting point is 00:21:34 could tell. It was filling those moments. Someone's got to be to blame for it. And as a rider, there's an emotion attached to that. I would guarantee you that rider that was yelling at him, he's going to watch the high leg go, oof, that probably wasn't his fault. He'll probably go up to him tomorrow and be like, hey, man, sorry about that. It's very understandable. High pressure. These guys' heart rate is 200. They see their leader crash on the floor. They saw a guy bump into him.
Starting point is 00:22:00 They make their assumptions right away. That's just part of the sport. It happens all the time. Hill, man. And these intermediate sprints matter now, as I learned yesterday. Kline They do. We're seeing quite the battle unfold between Milan and Germain already. They're separated by four points. Moller's creeping in there. Hill Yeah. And they lost, arguably, their biggest favorite, I think, at this point. I mean, he looked great. Awful to see. It'll be interesting.
Starting point is 00:22:29 If a guy like Matthew Vandepoel wants to get the green jersey, he can probably get the green jersey. Because he can make it up all these climbs. Yep. Because tomorrow's stage is nasty. Yeah. But we'll talk about that. We're going to take a quick station break.
Starting point is 00:22:44 You know, like you grow up and you watch TV and the people say stuff. You're like, that sounded cool. Station break. That sounds dope. Grew up watching Love Connection, Chuck Willoughby throwing it out to commercial 2 and 2. That was cool. You're like, one of these days in my life, maybe I'll get to do that. I get to do it now.
Starting point is 00:23:05 We'll be back in 2 and 32. All right, welcome back, everybody. Tomorrow looks interesting. But before we get to tomorrow, a few things. I think we have a slide for this. This might seem a little bit self-congratulatory, but this is a big damn deal for all of us here at The Move. This just popped up yesterday. I was on the golf course, of course. And the team sends me this. Here's the top charts in the podcast world. Now, if you're watching, you can see it if you're not. The Move, No. 1 podcast in sports. In front of Bill Simmons, Dan Levitard, Andy Roddick's coverage
Starting point is 00:23:46 of Wimbledon, pardon my take, and the Kelsey Brothers. Now, that has never happened. Hill, Jr. That's a big deal. Moser We've been No. 2, we've been No. 3, we've never been No. 1. That was a day-maker. Hill, Jr. For all of us. We're very proud to be part of this. That's good.
Starting point is 00:24:07 Hill, Jr. We're just thankful and grateful. I know George probably downloads it a lot and listens to himself, but that's not enough to get us up there. It's a big damn deal. No, actually, I was quite impressed. You said you were listening to it the other day on your hike. Hill, Jr. I listened. I'll get to that in a second. But thank you to anybody and everybody. We really, really appreciate it. And I did. I did listen to the preview show for the very
Starting point is 00:24:34 reason that as I listened, and I will say, you were right. I was accused early on in the show of having low energy. You were quite offended by that statement. It was very tough. You know, we're just starting. I mean, who wants to start anything with low energy? Yeah, exactly. That means you're just guaranteed to suck.
Starting point is 00:24:54 And so I went back and listened and I was like, I have to do better. Can y'all take note of this? The man is agreeing with me. It's very seldom that he actually agrees with me. I agree with you. All right. Thank you. I'm happy and I'm glad that you called me out on it. I was just doing a little bit of homework and research and reflection.
Starting point is 00:25:17 I've tried to up my energy. It's been great the last two days. Really good. Thank you very much. I have another fun story. Everybody that's listened to the show for years has gotten used to these personal stories. But it never fails. Every year, I learn something new about somebody on this team. Every single, this man to my far left, I have known. Hill, Melanie, please put your earmuffs on.
Starting point is 00:25:52 I have known since 1989. I've known this man, whatever that is, 36 years, right? Yeah, a long time. No, longer than that. My math is... whatever. It's a long time. This first week of the tour, before his family gets here, and hopefully they're not listening, he stays with us in the house. I watch a lot of the news, a lot going on. I watch a lot of golf. But every night, it never fails. I come home home and the man is parked on the couch obsessing and watching Love Island. That's all he watches. Hill, Do I get a rebuttal?
Starting point is 00:26:34 Muckerman No, hold on. Hold on. And he binge watches Love Island. Do you know what Love Island is? It's really heavy in the UK. But this But this is unwatchable. Yeah, it's trash. Before you finish the story, can I say one thing? Sure. It's trash. Kolan, hook me up over here on the big screen. Let's see something kind of funny. Since we're talking about love, look at my man engrossed with Love Island.
Starting point is 00:26:59 Look at the attention he's giving this show right now. You need to be careful in your own household lands because I'm always watching. Okay the focus you had on that no, this is show was Very indicative of how much you actually liked watching it and listen we have to be careful. Okay, cuz We're really psyched and proud to be on peacock. It's a peacock show. I'm with you, Sir Bradley. Kline- Poe Dunk trash. Kline- Trash. Kline- Poe Dunk trash. Barker- But the man, look, you can pull up all the fake clips you want. That's a look of disgust. How would anybody watch this? How could anybody go on this?
Starting point is 00:27:37 Kline- It was entertaining. Barker- But that's not the big learning. That's not the big learning from the first few days of the tour. As we're watching this, Mr. Hincap, the man to my far left reveals that in the early 2000s, he was one of the original candidates to be on The Bachelor. Before he's married, so Mel, this is pre-Mel, he was in the running to be on The Bachelor. Hill, I actually made the finals. I could have done it had I wanted to. Moser Okay. That's all fine and good. However, keep in mind, in the early 2000s, we were winning the Tour de France. So, this man thinks it's a good idea to submit his name, enter into the process, make it to the finals
Starting point is 00:28:27 of The Bachelor, and you're on a team that's winning the tour. Which, Bradley? Which part of this makes sense? Kline- Hey, I was going to go to LA for six weeks, training in the mountains. I had it all figured out. But I decided, ultimately, not to do it. Hilliard Was it? Awful. And in fact, I'm still recovering. I am. It's not funny. Can we have at some point, can you like walk us through like the day
Starting point is 00:29:38 in that show looked like? Let me just sum it up this way. All right. Thank God for Marshawn. If it wasn't for Marshawn, somebody was going to get hurt. It might have been myself. My mental health is good, except for those two weeks. I was like, wow, so this is what it feels like, huh?
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Starting point is 00:33:20 or somebody reminded me about the stars on Mars. I wish we had more of a reminder. Let's look at tomorrow's stage. This is as a fan and as somebody who wakes up early in the morning to watch these stages. This one gets me excited. This is the overall profile. 174km. If you're a vertical nerd, it's about 6,500ft of climbing. But look at the finish. Ooh, Cat 4. Oh, sorry. There it is. This is the last 21km. Cat 4, Cat 3, and then an uphill finish. But this looks... Hill, this is a breakaway stage for me.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Kline You think so. Huckabay I mean, think about all the work that Alpecin and Phoenix has done these last three days. They just lost one of their leaders. I mean, their morale is probably a bit down. A great, don't get me wrong, amazing stage for Matthew VandenViel, no doubt. But are they going to continue to use up all their matches this early in the Tour de France when this is a very, very clear stage for a breakaway? I think a strong breakaway of 10, 15 guys, a strong guy that will be able to hold the yellow jersey for a while to help UAE and perhaps Leesma do a lot of control. I see a breakaway going to the finish tomorrow. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. Just this Monday cycling, man.
Starting point is 00:34:48 I don't know. I think it's just going to be a field sprint again of some sort. Like we had in Bloensheim. A group getting into this final, tricky final 20k. I mean, after the time trial, Van der Poel's race is, aside from Muir de Bretagne, he wants to get as much out this first week. I mean, they may do. They may do. I don't know. I see that, look, we got the time trial coming up. We got a lot of people,
Starting point is 00:35:11 their only chance is to make, to win the stage through a breakaway. I mean, today was a relatively easy day. Headwind, they weren't going that hard. They're fresh. They're not going to want to save anything for the time trial. I'm seeing a big breakaway going and getting a couple of minutes. Big break. Pre-time trial. I'm thinking 10, 15 guys. Pre-time trial. Pre-time trial. Hill I'm thinking 10, 15 guys. Kline Pre-time trial. Hill Pre-time trial.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Kline I think so, but Tadeu Guindemar? Hill Yeah, I mean, if it's together, no doubt. Kline Tadeu or Vennepal. Hill Just pull it back up real quick, Gabriel. There's some pieces. I'm with you, Bradley. Keep in mind, too... Hill What's Johan think? Or Spencer? Hill Well, we're going to throw to Spencer in a second because I want to talk about outcomes. They just lost Phillipson.
Starting point is 00:35:49 What a stage for them to keep it together. Tip of the cap to him. Honor him. This is a perfect stage for Matthew Vanderpool. But look at some of these 15% sections there, the second to last little climb. That's a nasty finish. I think it's perfect ground. I don't see a break going. Frankel If a guy like him wants to win the stage, he's going to rally his troops and be like, hey, even if a breakaway goes, keep them close.
Starting point is 00:36:14 We'll bring them in. It all depends on what Alec Pettit and Phoenix have to say tomorrow in terms of the breakaway, getting away or not. Hiller Weather looks perfect. Totally sunny, 70 degrees. Slight crosswind most of the day until they make that final turn and then get into the hills. FYI. We will get, actually, Spencer's opinion. I do want to talk about outcomes. Obviously, he does the show each and every day with Johan, the sports betting show. Spencer, you're putting up some numbers. I think everybody should be in the IRR game, whether you're
Starting point is 00:36:48 buying stocks here and there, whatever you're investing in. Let's just talk about how you're doing. Hilliard You've got to stay humble. That's the most important thing. My pick for the day was Timmerleer, plus $190. It's funny, Johan picked Jasper Philipsen. I think he was plus $320. I was a little jealous. I was like, I don't know how I feel about this. But let's go Merlier. Worked for the second day in a row, if you didn't listen yesterday. Plus $190, plus $200 would be you get $200 of profit on betting $100. I nearly tripled my money again. I'm up. I've returned $570 on an initial investment of $360.
Starting point is 00:37:26 That's a 58% return annually. That's 7,000%. We might raise a few billion, start a fund based solely around two to front sprint stages at this point. Niuentz It's not a terrible idea. Hiller I think you might run into limit issues on some of these books if you put six bill down. Hilliard No disrespect at all to Milleer, but I think if Phillipson was there, he probably still would have won today. Moser I agree with that. Hilliard The way he won the first stage, you've got
Starting point is 00:37:54 a guy like Matthew Vanderpool taking you to 200m to go. It would have been, I think, a big different sprint. Moser Just FYI, George, Johan sent a message here on the group chat. He does not think there'll be a breakaway thing, because it's either Vanderpool or Mr. Poguchar. Hilliard Nobler Well, Johan shouldn't be burning that. That should be in outcomes. Hilliard Nobler That should be in outcomes, but he can't help himself.
Starting point is 00:38:16 He's listening live, and he couldn't help himself. We got the stage right, and then this is just a fun thing about the show. By the way, we're on the Moves podcast feed and YouTube channel, so if you're watching this on Peacock and you're like, hey, I want more of this, that's where you can find us. We do head-to-heads at the end of every stage. I just do rapid fire, Johan has to answer. One of them was Tadej Pogacar versus Jonas Vindegard. You bet on one of those to finish in front of the other.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Kind of funny because they're not really racing on a day like today. They finished 70th and 71st. Jonas finished in front. Johan got that one right. And then an even like, odder one, Matthew Vanderpool versus, I'd never heard of this writer before, I apologize, Stein Friedheim. And that was another one where they finished, I think, four spots apart. Vanderpool finished ahead. Johan got that one right. So there's a lot of fun stuff on the show outside of just the stage winners. Hill, you can bet on that as well. When are we doing our fun? We're supposed to get that going. Let's work on that today.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Barker I've already been back in Spencer, so I don't... Sorry, Johan. As we do each and every day, Ventum Daily Trivia. The question yesterday was, what was the distance of the longest ever tour? The answer? 5,745 km. You can do the math on whatever that is in miles. 5745 km. Here it is, right here. 3, 3570 miles. That was completed in 1960. That's insane. Kline I think it was shorter. I think that was over 17 stages as well. I might be wrong on that. Not 21 stages.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Jon Moffitt Wow. Kline So that's quite a lot. Jon Moffitt See, I mean, imagine how hard the bikes, the weight of the bikes, the clothing. Niuenmaiwetseke Everything about it, man. The hotels, the food. All right. Question for Stage 3 in the Ventum Daily Trivia. History was made at the finish of Stage 3 of the 2024 Tour de France. What happened? Hill, that's easy.
Starting point is 00:40:27 Kline, that's easy. There you go. We'll give you the answer. It's easy. That's so easy. All right, epic fireworks. Tomorrow's going to be good. Tomorrow's going to be good. And then we're off. It's been exciting. I did want to play a little homage to your reality TV debut. Koltun, you put that up there for me as we're saying goodbye until tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Koltun Wow. What are we doing here? Sex sells. Here we go. Frankelman Look at that. Was that comfortable in that seat? No. We don't. Colton, good night. On that note, I hope everybody has a great day. And on that note, take care of your mental health.
Starting point is 00:41:18 Honestly. Thanks for tuning in. We really appreciate it. We'll see you all tomorrow.

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