THEMOVE - Tour de France Femmes winner Kasia Niewiadoma | Tour De France Femmes 2024 | THEMOVE

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

Our women's Tour de France coverage continues with an interview with TDFF winner, Kasia Niewiadoma. Find out what was going on in the final stage of this years tour when it looked almost certain Kasia would lose on the final day, but then win in the closest margin of victory in Tour de France history. OneSkin: Give your skin the UV protection, hydration, and cellular support it needs with OneSkin. It’s time to expect more from your skin care routine. Get started today with 15% off using code THEMOVE at https://www.oneskin.co. Buycycle: Unlock free seller protection when you sell a bike on buycycle with the code: THEFEMMES. https://buycycle.com/en-us?&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=brand&utm_content=wedufemmes&utm_country=us ZWIFT: Zwift Ride was just released and at $1299.99 is a fraction of the cost of other alternatives, so make sure you head to Zwift.com to pick yours up ASAP.    

It was a dynamic tour. If you go back and we laid out some of it, but the crash and the time, it was just to come down to Alpe d'Huez, which is, and we said it on the show, like what a place to end the tour. And to have it so close was, I mean, that's a spectator's dream. It may not have been your dream. I was going to say. In the end, it was your dream. It was a good dream for you. But as it was unfolding, it was in the end, it was your dream. It was a good dream for you.

But as it was unfolding, it was so fun to watch. It was a dream finale. Lowest margin and Tour de France history, both men and women for seconds. And Kasia, you we did talk about this on the show. She said she was listening to our show, by the way, Lance, during the tour. Oh, awesome. I know. I was like, when did she have time to do that? Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Move podcast.

Special edition. Golly. Very special edition. If you're watching, as you can see, joined by Allie and Mari and mari uh mari just real quick i'm trying to keep up with you like where now which part of the fancy part of the world are you in i'm in ventura now this is like back back in ventura until saturday then hawaii ali i know that backdrop you're in petaluma yes i am hey but and it is great to see y'all, but it is even better. What a special treat.

And we talked a whole lot just a couple of weeks ago about this lady. And I said it in the pre-show. I'm just curious how her mom would pronounce her name because I'm sure that everybody butchers it. But the winner of the 2024 Tour de France family bags with Kasia we say they were saying you would don't but mom would say yeah it's like you put emphasis on the first syllable in Poland Nie wiadomo. Jak się masz? Bardzo dobrze. Bardzo dobrze, bardzo dobrze. Dziękuję za zaproszenie. Oh, you lost me on that one. And I was telling the girls during

the tour, I have, I know those Polish expressions, those questions or those words because in the old days there was a Polish guy here in the United States who was a legendary cycling coach, Eddie Borsiewicz. And he would always you you know he would he would overhear him or you just kind of learned some Polish words over the years so I was I was telling those stories during the tour to France nice yeah I do believe

and indeed there is like some sort of polish american connection especially in cycling yeah big time yeah for sure uh well we're gonna get we have so many questions and again thank you so much uh for doing this this is uh um came down came down to the last day i mean that that was a nail biter uh certainly certainly for us but I'm sure it was for you. We'll get into all those questions. Before we do a little bit of business, today's show brought to you by Zwift. You guys are sponsored by Zwift. Zwift just released the Zwift Ride, an all-new smart bike that is changing the indoor game

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thanks to that. So hop on over there and use the code, the move. Oh, but okay. But drum roll, please. Our special guest. I mean, Lance, you were, I thought you were a little nervous, you know, coming onto the show. You're, you're a huge fan. Um, and you've been a fan for years and you've been tracking her career. And, uh, so huge congratulations. Well, there's, there's all these, there are, I mean, it's, it's not made up. I mean, it, it, there is a serious, there's a couple of things about your life. We've been following you for years and been talking about you for years, whether you know it or not, but there is the Polish connection in my history with Eddie Borsiewicz and AKA Eddie B here in the U S um, but there just hasn't been over the years, whether it's men's cycling, women's cycling,

you just don't see a lot of Polish riders, right? And in my early, in my career, you had Yaskula who was a fantastic rider and rode great tours and then Kwiatkowski now in recent times, but you don't see, I mean, there's tons of Italians and French and, and Belgians and Australians and Americans. You just don't see a lot. So it always catches my eye. And then you come along. And then even more sort of closer to you is the Finney connection. I've known the Finney family for many, many years, decades actually. And I've written a lot with Taylor.

So I love that connection. It was cool to see him during the tour there in full hipster mode, you know yeah to be expected um so um but it was it was such a funny moment because he was running next to me but i was so gassed at that moment that i had no recollections of seeing him like i was completely in my tunnel and then the moment i arrived to the finish line i was like where is taylor like i want to see him and then like my pr person was like i think he's like still down the mountain and then he's still running we went towards the podium and then i see him like

crossing the fields with our friend david like running you know he arrived with me sorry he arrived with his shin like completely bloody because he was going through rose bush so and he explained me where he was at and i could see some pictures and videos and it's so funny because i just couldn't see him at all and he's a people yeah he's yes he is yep yep well i think it's super cool uh congratulations they eloped in may so you're married now um they have a honeymoon planned uh and you're going to bali this is what you missed out lance when your connection left we talked about hair honeymoons i'm headed to gerona this saturday for my honeymoon so um and you know cassie is going to bali so she's got some good plans for this celebration good plans you just well well deserved the first time i remember racing

against you and noticing you was 2014 ladies tour of ladies tour of norway that was like i felt like your big come out race um Yeah. It was incredible. Yeah. Bad conditions, which I feel like you always thrive in like the rainy, wet, hard races. But I think you were best young rider that year. Yeah. I think I also got the Polka Dot jersey. That was actually the first time where I was like really thinking or wondering why we don't have Tour de France.

Because like Polka Dot jersey is so well known for Tour de France. And I think that that was like the first time we started to really ask for it. And like, then of course we had La Course and it was slowly, slowly going to, going to happen. So yeah, it was a cool race. I think just your career trajectory, we've been talking about it. So you had that like a little bit of a hiatus of, you know, four or five years without a win and coming back to see your world champion, gravel world champion winning flesh this year. And like Lance has just been cheering you on for so many years because it's second at Strata Bianchi for like so many times.

So we know that win is coming. Like now you have like the we we know that win is coming like now you have like the the golden jersey for that win um but you've stayed so positive throughout your your career so like i mean what does this mean to you to be honest um i always could feel or see some sort of progress i was doing every year and i think i also was able to see that many times i would lose a bike race not because i wasn't prepared enough but like there were other factors like the teams were outnumbering me with the riders in the final especially as the works or i would puncture i would crash like there were so many factors stopping me from that final win so um also i felt like in some ways that the

fact that i couldn't get that win was motivating me to work harder and maybe that was helping me further on and to be honest like when i think about the tour de france fam i've experienced victory uh i think that like all those years when i was getting second or third or losing by something like awarded me with that with that win because um like there are so many moments that happen in the race and somehow i had a good sense of like calmness i felt like everything was going to be all right like even when damy gave me like 30 seconds during the ITT, like it didn't bother me in some ways. I felt like, okay, like I got this.

Like in some ways, the better stages are coming for me. So every day I was just like getting more confident in some weird ways. And I had this like feeling of like, it's going to be all right. Okay. in some weird ways and I had this like feeling of like it's gonna be all right okay maybe on uh on the last stage I had a moment of weakness where I was like okay goodbye GC goodbye Pauline goodbye everything um but yeah then it returned so um now when I analyze certain stages or moments in the race I just feel like everything is like a makeup for what happened in the past because like even last year when we were going up tourmalet when i broke away

and i was like in the valley on my own and starting tourmalet on my own when it's like not so super steep then marlin royser was chasing me for demi and now demi was in the valley on her own because paulina didn't want to work with her. So I felt like the roles were reversed this whole state race. And I must admit that in some ways, I mean, not in some ways, I know that Demi was a stronger climber

in this whole race. But I also feel like there were so many races I lost when I was the strongest and that allows me to like fully enjoy the the victory I my my question is about um it's a huge individual achievement you know winning the Tour de France and the what you went through to get there and over the years but you know the team has supported you for so many years and people don't talk about Canyon as the team to beat typically you know like SD works I mean but it was obvious that that support or I would think that that support that you've had from them and their confidence

through all these things has been really like it's interesting to me and I wondered how that factored into things yeah definitely to be honest um yeah can you from is very close to me it's not just like the team but also riders I think that we built such a nice bond of like chicas that just like to hang out together like I love being with them at the table I like getting back to racing and just like catching up on what happened in our lives. And like, they see me cry very often. They see me like celebrating. They see me like cracking or they see me just like in so many different shades. But I feel like I always have people to talk to and they accept and fuck who I am.

And I feel like with that uh, with that, you also learn how to be this kind of person for others. So I think we just purely, I think that everyone just like purely cares about each other. That's awesome. A quick question, go back to the, um, to when Demi went on the climb prior to alpe d'huez um because you just said you know you sort of set up well yeah there it goes but i'll never forget in your your interview right after the finish when you hit one by four seconds you said um you know let's not panic let's you were talking about consuming as much calories, as much energy as possible. And there was also just this like, hey.

You never know, like, let's get as much fuel in and not complete. Yes, I've been there where you're like, well, I guess that's it. But you're not going to pull over to the side of the road and stop. You just like, by the way, there's also other things. I mean, continue to fight for the podium or anything. Right. And so you didn't give up. You stayed in there and you were, at least according to the interview, quite surprised

at how you came around or started to feel better in the valley. And then obviously wrote a hell of an Alpe d'Huez, which is, um, I have a whole lot of questions about Alpe d'Huez and just the information that you were getting. Cause we were all sort of watching this, um, on the TV, which, you know, you can sometimes trust the time splits, but I often I'm skeptical if the time splits are accurate. Um I guess my question would be, how much information were you getting, right? This then becomes a game of math, right? I have this much time. She's this far ahead.

We're managing the difference between her and I. And then the math gets more complicated because you have time bonuses. Well, what if she wins or what if she gets second? That changes the whole equation how much information were you getting from the director on the splits and the different scenarios yeah so to be honest at the bottom of i just grabbed my mic and i said could you please stop talking now because I was like I need a moment to find my rhythm to like find the pace because there was just so much coming to me and I felt like all

I needed was just like the fuck to find the rhythm that would allow me to like do my best and it was so funny because they were talking so much to me and then i just said like stop talking to me please and they went dead silent and then i was like shit i actually need them a little you know right i was like okay you're like okay don't be totally silent just give me a little a little something yeah but they gave me enough time that I was able to just like find that nice rhythm and I was like okay now I got this I started to feel that my body is responding well that I'm connected that like every that I'm moving forward you know because on Glendone I felt like when Jamie attacked I felt that I was just like so unstable on the bike I put the hard gear on and I was like, oh, what am I doing?

I couldn't just like respond and like feel comfortable in the pain because we all suffered. It just felt off, weirdly off. But then, yeah, as I said in the interview, I just like ate so much sugar because I definitely didn't do it on the climb. And then as you go from Glandon, there is this very short, steep kick, like 1K, 10% plus. So on that climb, on that hill, I was like, oh, my power is back. Like I felt that, I mean, I'm feeling good again. So in that moment, I was like, okay, I need to stop the negative thoughts somehow and just like go until the finish line and I was

able to redirect my negative thoughts to gloves because like I was wearing gloves normally I hate wearing gloves so like I was like okay take the gloves off I took the gloves off and I was like yeah now I can go and it was like such a funny moment because I felt like I could just like get rid of the the bad thoughts or like something that was stopping me from going hard. And plus I was like, okay, don't talk to me anymore for a second. And then like, as I was going further up the climb, then it was, yeah, I, to be honest, I've never suffered as much on the bike as during Alpe d'Huez cause.

We believe you on, we totally believe you yes that is not hard to believe and like in the radio they were just saying like it's possible we're still in yellow and then I was like what I was really surprised at first so I was like okay I have no choice I really had no choice other than giving my best. I didn't see like slowing down or doing less as an option. So in that way, it helped me to just like somehow make it to the finish line. And look, this brings up a good, a good, this is a thing that I think about quite often, you know, cause there's so much, what you just laid out and you telling the team, you know what, why don't you just shut the fuck up for a second? And then all of a sudden it's

too quiet, right? You know, cause there's always this debate in cycling. Well, the radios, they, they're bad for the racing. They're make it less exciting. And, and I watch all these other sports, primarily motor sports where the radio is public, right? You're listening to Verstappen talk to his crew chief and whatever. And so I've always said, look, instead of arguing about whether or not we should have them, let's just make it public. Like, I would have paid anything for you to be like, all right, I just need you to shut up for a little while. And then all of a sudden there's this silence because by the way, in full defense of the director and any director, you have to imagine you're in the car behind, you're not in the race. You're so excited. You feel like you have to talk

or you have to give information. So it's, it's, it's virtually impossible to not say something. So they get carried away and get ahead of themselves. But that would have been epic. Just listening to that dialogue of, Hey, you, you're still in yellow. Like, do not give up. I don't like to see what they said in the car though. Like that was not on the radio. Like, Oh God, after you said that, don't talk. Then they're like, Oh God.

They were smart because they gave me a moment to like, kind of, I don't know, just they gave me a moment that I needed. And then slowly they were introducing some pieces of information. So it wasn't like, go, go guys, have you got this? But it was like, okay, you're looking strong.

Like they knew what to say to motivate me. So I was like, okay, that's working strong. Like they knew what to say to motivate me. So I was like, okay, that's working now. That's great. They didn't say anything like, uh, Hey, Kasia, um, do you mind if we talk now? Cause that's probably what I would have said. Oh no, I got, I got yelled at. Um, do you mind if I just say something? Well, we are here, um, on the show celebrating your incredible victory. A long time coming. We cannot like even, I'm sure you know this, but you are a hundred percent like the people's

champion. Like I was getting texts from the top of the mountain that there was not a dry eye after those 21 switchbacks, you know, cheering you on. And so we do have a sponsor of the show that has a big congratulations to you. And it's Bicycle, B-U-Y, cycle.com. Bicycle. Bicycle. I know.

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just not deal with people. You know, I'm not going to deal with you today. Just talking to the radio. Cassie, you should also know this. My wife was very excited that you were coming on. I was, she was, I was out in the gym a second ago, getting something. She was out there and I said, I'm going to do this bike. And she's like, and she doesn't watch a ton of cycling, watches a lot, but not a ton. She was like, Oh my, but she knows. And she watches enough. She's like, Oh my God, she's so pretty. And I was like, Whoa,, but she knows and she watches enough. She's like, oh my God, she's so pretty. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, easy now. It was cute. We were talking about her hair for a bit.

It was cute. It was so cute. She got a kick out of that. And she loves Taylor. I mean, Taylor used to stay with us when he would come into Austin. And, you know, I mean, obviously, you know the guy better than anybody. I mean, he's just a complete character. So yeah, he says hi to you, by the way.

He immediately endeared himself to Anna. So that's tell him hi. People's champion and Anna's champion. I like that. You know, I mean, that's a, that's a hard one there. And I had a question for you as well. Taylor's mom's your mother-in-law, Connie Carpenter Finney. She won the first gold medal, Lance, you know, this in 1984 in the LA games. And then 40 years later, we have Kristen Faulkner winning the gold. I know that was a frustrating Olympics for you. I understand that crash was life changing for a lot of people, but Connie had a very important role in my, like when I first started racing, um, I didn't know whether or not to take the leap to try to be a professional cyclist or keep being in biotech and being a chemist. And I can't believe she actually answered my email, but, and she probably doesn't remember this, but Connie answered my email and she hopped on a phone call with me. And I was so scared to make this leap of quitting a chemistry job and going into professional

cycling. And Connie said this, something that I think about almost every day. She said, Al, if you have a chance to be better at something, why not try? And so I like, it still gives me the chills. Like it was so simply put, but like you have the opportunity to be better at something. So try it. And I said, well, what if I fail? And she said, you still have the chance to be better at something. And it was so beautiful. And I, I just adore her. I have a picture of her and my grandparents in Davis at the Colorado classic. But I'm curious, like what she always like posts beautiful things about you and Taylor. And I'm just curious what level of, um, how she's inspired you or how she's helped you.

Cause I just think she's such an icon and an amazing human and you are as well. So just, I want to know a little bit about that. Okay. Uh, yeah, we definitely have a very special relationship. Um, Connie. Yeah, of course I feel as if she was also my mom and it's very nice to have a person who knows what i'm going through i feel like i kind of completed a circle because like my parents give me love like the real her parents love and they like try to support me

emotionally yet they know a little less about cycling than Connie and Davis so like Connie and Davis they always share like the their experience in cycling and like those yeah as you said before small but very meaningful notes especially before the races or even after races like she always knows what to tell me so i don't get too hard on myself especially and um yeah i we always call her lady coca like she knows everything she does many things for us and um she's always in a good mood and um yeah she's a very special person it's hard to describe her or our relationship in just couple sentences but uh i'm very grateful for the fact also how much she cares about us our life and um how she like likes to be the part of us part of our life in europe and they always do

like their best to see us as much as possible and come to races and support. Like they were there during gravel world championships in Italy. So it was very beautiful to see them so emotional and like how much they cared. It's like, yeah, very special. That's so cool. I love it. I followed on the, on the grams. So I felt like it was special. I'm glad to hear it is. Think about the ancestry game there. I mean, I'm just playing this ancestry game, right? You've got Connie and Davis,

incredible endurance careers, legendary careers, right? That equals Taylor. Now, now, you know, I'm not trying to predict the future. I don't know what y'all's plans are, but we may want to reserve an interview here in another 20, 30 years with, uh, is that weird? I'm not trying to be weird, but I mean, this makes sense. Yeah. I mean, to be honest, we love, like we love cycling, but we love riding bikes more. So I think that our kids for sure will grow up with the bikes or just like

being active. I think that, yeah, because of course, cycling is one thing like going to races and competing, but exploring the world on the wheels, just like feeling free and feeling like a child again is a different game and i think that's what i would want to introduce to my family that we always just like you know that i mean i cannot force anything upon the kids that will arrive eventually but i really hope that that's gonna be just like what defines our family that's that's awesome um how is this going but i want to go back to the polish thing

for a second i mean this must have been no it's it's it's again there's just it's this must have been huge in poland like the reception the press the the all the coverage I mean, it must be incredible. Yeah, definitely. It was big. It was, it's still big because actually today I had this terrible blopper or blopper. That's how you say it when something went wrong. So I had a lot of phone calls coming to me and normally the journalists were asking for interviews and I got so tired that once the phone rung, I just picked the phone up and I said like, please stop calling me now.

Like delete my number. I don't want to talk to you. And I like just closed it and cut the call. And then I got a message like saying like, oh, I'm sorry, but I really wanted to talk to you. And he introduced himself and it's this Polish, very famous actor. And I was like like oh no one time i decided to be rude it was this actor that i would love to talk to i'm like calling back and wife is picking up the phone and she's like definitely not in the mood

to talk to me she's like yeah like he's sitting next to me maybe he can talk to you I don't know so then I had to apologize yeah but we ended up having nice conversation I made him laugh at least once so I think he likes me again you do have it in you there we saw it up the Altoes but I mean you you can you can be assertive I like this you always attack in races but Lance is like probably feeling a bigger connection now to pick up the phone and say, don't call me, delete my number. Lance, is that ringing a bell? That's me trying to get Lance to text me back. He's like, delete my number. Yeah. I think that's, I think you just got it. What is that? Like, you know got it from cassius what is that

like you know a new phone sorry new phone who's this yeah but you know i think something though that radiates and when i messaged you thank you so much for responding i totally slid into your dms um but huge hen and um but i think something that radiates what i what i wrote to you too is that i mean grit is definitely what was required to win this. And this is, I think you're obviously biggest win. Um, you are world champion, but this is huge, but I said that you do it with so much joy. And I feel like that radiates the way you ride you're aggressive, which is makes a lot of fans because you're tenacious. You're always trying, um, you're, You're beautiful inside out. And, but I am interested on this, like how you power so much with emotions and joy. And, and then you also,

I read a quote that you, you love setting goals, but one of your main goals is to be a better person, especially for the people around me, be more positive, loving, understanding, calm, helpful. Because I feel like the hardest job in all of that lays on Taylor's shoulders because he's the one that sees me in different moods. And I think that I'm capable of spreading joy and smiles only because of his help. Because there are days, like even after Olympics,

I felt that like all the hard work i put into training and preparation was not rewarded and i felt like i ended up so many times like not being rewarded that like that feeling got tired i got tired of that feeling and i was so done and um yeah i felt very low actually i was like i don't want to try anymore and just like everything seemed weird so he sees me from this other perspective but even yeah nobody else sees me so he always knows how to talk to me and how to give me time and kind of bring me up or sometimes when i'm ready to fight because sometimes i feel like I need a little explosion he leaves me so okay now I need to deal on my own with those feelings what am I gonna do I just need to get over it so

are the gloves on or off during that point you know I love these like fighting words with the gloves so they aren't off when you're in that mood yeah exactly sometimes you need something to just like be able to move on yeah but definitely tay is a big um like big part of everything because yeah he also he's changed so much ever since he quit sacking he became so much more happy and positive and he's just calm and chill you know he's definitely chill exactly anybody watches his instagram you know the boy is chill the one the one does he still do the the pretends to be an australian trail builder he in the woods mate i'm like what what what is what is he doing

is it partially that he helps you find a balance or is it like i mean when you're in that mode where you're just kind of tunnel vision and getting down is what is he bringing the what is he bringing out that makes it so that you can kind of regroup again and get going because it seems like maybe it's a like a type of a balance that he brings back to you to center again because you know he was there he knows the feeling and now he's outside he gets a completely different perspective of what we cyclists see at a certain moment because sometimes when you spend a lot of time on your own preparing for something like having all the sacrifices, you see like this, you know, your perception is very narrow. And I think that because he experienced that and then he like also failed

and then he like got out of it, he just sees the world differently. And sometimes I need to hear that, like, that it's not as bad as it looks from my side. He kind of like opens the view for me. And also at the end of the day, he makes me feel like loved. So that makes me feel like, okay, actually nothing bad is happening, you know?

Like simple as that, I think. Yeah. I love that. I know, I know. I might've just. Lance has a tear in his eye I mean look I tell people all the time and I don't think this is a

we don't have to convince anybody of just how hard the Tour de France is like average sport fans they're like wow that seems like that sounds like the hardest thing in the world. Like it just is. So it, you can't have, it can't be an athlete in such a hard game without having a life and having people to come home to and to support that. And furthermore,

having somebody that's been there, it's, it's, uh, you you know that doesn't fall on deaf ears in any way like they they can relate and it's this is a tough game a very tough game because actually it's interesting what cycling gives us right because we go for bike races and you experience so many different emotions and feelings like you're happy you're angry you fight for something then you get disappointed and like it's like this all the time and then you like when it's all over it's like everything quiets and then you have to kind of adapt yourself to just like stability which in some ways feels weird and maybe that's what also turns us off or puts us off in some ways well you know what now i get to start all over you got to go back and uh there's gonna be it look it'll be it's and we've we've talked we talked a lot about this um during the tour

to france family of eggs with there's gonna be changes in the peloton right demi is i guess you know if you believe all the reports leaving to a new team and we had Paulina on, she's going to make road cycling and the tour. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's the, the dynamic here, uh, is going to change for everybody. So it's, um, it'd be exciting. Yeah. I think it's going to be very interesting next year. Yeah. Yeah. Even better. Let's go to different teams. Yeah. And you have world championships coming up as well. So you're prepping for that. And so is the, is the, is the honeymoon in Bali,

please tell me it's after the world championships. Yes, it is after. Okay. I was like, cause when Ali, when you said they're going on their honeymoon in bali i immediately thought well she's not doing this she's not doing the worlds then no no i'm gonna do the worlds um actually we're driving because we're in poland right now and we're driving from poland to swiss to do the recon so great you go into it feeling less, less pressure because of you've accomplished your goals at the tour or are you going into it with high expectations? To be honest, it's a, it's a difficult one because I'm racing Tour de Romandie next week, but I really took it easy

the last day. So I started to have this little, like's not anxiety but just this little feeling that oh I hope that people don't expect me to win because I want to go there and like help my young teammates because they're very strong as well so sometimes it's nice for me to be in that helping role because I feel like I just don't need to like stress about every second so I was actually thinking about I wonder if like the people will expect me to win because I want to continue having just nice time when racing and not feeling like I have to, because I know that I want to win worlds. Like this is the pure goal of mine,

but I don't want to go through every race thinking that I also have to perform to the best possible shape or result because it's impossible to be able to carry on such a high shape for two months for example right yeah well you'll figure it out yeah advice lance's advice you'll figure it out no my my advice would be um uh i don't. I mean, I, I, based on my experience, I mean, I felt like after the tour, then everything was, it was not, it wasn't ceremonial, but there's no pressure. I mean, that, that, that I wouldn't and I, and it, and it perhaps affected, I mean,

I never performed well at the Olympics or, and I really never went back to the world championships, but if you won the tour, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't blame you if the honeymoon was in Bali next week. Like my job's done. Like guys, what, what do you, what do you want? Like I just won the tour of France. Like it's, it's so. I need to embrace it more. I think that's the case. I would embrace it. I would. Yes, absolutely. We are here for that. You just won the biggest goddamn bike race in the world. So crazy. Actually. That's why I did the queen K cause I think that's what Taylor painted on the

road. So I was like, it was really cute. But you are such a champion with this power. And, um, you always say there's like a power inside of me to like push yourself to victory and you always try your best. And I think that's why the fans love you so much. And we like love watching you race is, is that you, you were always satisfied with what you gave because you know, like what you do is like, you always go as hard as you can and do your best. So what is your, yeah, you got that power inside of you. And I think that's really cool. But is there a secret to that besides Taylor? Maybe the fact where I grew up, I think that the whole like Southern Poland is a special place that people are called Gurala, which means like the, it it actually the direct translation is climbers and i think that that's our just like mindset or that mentality how we grew up like always working hard and then like feeling that once you do your best and like be happy with it because i mean what else can you do in some ways and i think that once i know that like i i always need to know that i prepared

myself to the race in the best possible way i don't like showing up at the race feeling like i should have done something more so once i'm arriving to that place and then i race my bike then yeah i and also i actually love racing bike love finals. And that always gives me good feelings. I always feel satisfied. There you go. Love it. Well, I have one final question. And this is from Blaze.

He wants to know what your favorite color of gummy bear is. That's actually a great question. What's your favorite color of gummy bear oh uh i don't know red came to my mind yeah red yeah it has to be red it has to be red you didn't ask me but my favorite color is red my favorite color is red too i said red mari i'm i'm with you guys. Red is my favorite, too. Yeah. Like you get the green one, the yellow. I just picked through there and get just red. Of course it's red.

Come on, Blaze. Well, everybody listening to themselves, they were like, before we even got to, they were like, red. Yes. I'm like telling him, I'm like, we have like the have like the tour de france farm of ex with champion like this woman i've been cheering on for years like what should i ask her and that's what he said what is her favorite color of gummy bears you know that was valuable that that is information people need to know lance yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. She's, she's just like everybody

else. Everybody else said red too. Thank you so much, Cassie. This has been such an honor, such an honor. And we were, it was so fun to, uh, it was a dynamic tour. I was, if you'd go back and, and we laid or laid out some of it, but the crash and the time it was just to come down to Alpe d'Huez, which is, and we said it on the show, like what a place to end the tour and to have it so close was, I mean, that's a spectator's dream. It may not have been your dream. I mean, in the end, it was in the end, it was your dream. It was a good dream for you, but as it was unfolding, it was so fun to watch. It was a dream, uh, finale. Lowest margin and tour de France history, both men and women for seconds. And, and Kasia, you,

we did talk about this on the show. She said she was listening to our show by the way, Lance, during the tour. I'm like like when did she have time to do that she's like i've been listening to it maybe when she told her director to be quiet she put it i think she would have gotten even like one by more if she heard what you were saying when we were watching that i mean you've never seen Lance crunch so many numbers, Kasia. Like he was he was a computer. He was just like, so what if she gets third? What if she gets second? He's just

calculating. He knows all those switchbacks so well. And I was getting real sweaty. We all were crying. You know, it was great. That's cool. All right. Well, everybody have a great day. Kasia, thank you. You're a legend.

Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. And tell T-Pain we said hi. Okay. Thank you so much for being on our show. Don't hang up just yet because these girls, this is what I have to put up with all the time. They do this thing.

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