THEMOVE - Tour de France Stage 10 | The Sir Wiggo & Johan Show

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

Johan Bruyneel and Sir Bradley Wiggins peel back the curtain on the tactics, strategy, and pivotal moments that shaped Stage 10 of the 2025 Tour de France, offering sharp analysis and insider perspective you won’t hear anywhere else. NordVPN: Get your Exclusive NordVPN deal here → https://nordvpn.com/themove It’s risk-free with Nord’s 30-day money-back guarantee! Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120  https://ventumracing.com/themove/

It's funny when you watch Tadej, because we know what he's capable of doing, and when we've seen what he did last year and the spring campaign this year, when he gets to the position to launch like he did today, part of you is disappointing when he stops the attack and doesn't see it through, because it's entertainment. Tadej is entertaining, and it's a spectacle, and it's entertaining because he can do what none of us ever want, what we all dreamed of wanting to be able to do. It was the beauty of Marco Pantani, you'd watch Pantani in the mountains and it was entertaining because we all dream when we go on our bike of being able to do that on a climb and Taddei can do it on any

event, any stage in any part of cycling. So his reservation this year and him riding reserved and riding as a Tour de France leader should because this is the maturest version we've seen of Tadej over the years. I'm the 2012 Tour de France winner Sir Bradley Wiggins. And I'm Johan Bruniel. I directed my teams to nine Tour de France victories. Welcome to the Sir Wiggle and Johan show, our daily show where we dive deep into the tactics behind every stage of the Tour de France.

Hi everybody, welcome back to the Sir Wigo and Johan show talking about stage 10 of this year's Tour de France. 165 kilometers, first I would say first mountain stage, mid-mountain stage, 4,500 meters of climbing. This show is presented as every day by Keaton IQ. We're glad to have as every day Bradley Wiggins with us again. Bradley, what's your take of the day? What's Bradley's take of the stage? There was so much happened today, wasn't there? Obviously I'm split between two.

Ben Healy, taken yellow. What an amazing ride. And also my second take of the day is what Jumbo Visma were doing. So we'll get to that a bit later on. The tactics they deployed in order to somehow either isolate Tade, launch an attacker and leave him behind or what. I don't quite know, but we'll get into the beans of that. But first of all, I want to talk to you about one of our sponsors, NordVPN. I'm actually using NordVPN, Johan, to watch the coverage in the mornings here. It's a VPN you can safely access your favorite streams and other content from your home,

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It's risk-free with Nord's 30-day money back guarantee. Link is in the episode show notes. Money back guarantee. Link is in the episode show notes. Okay. So Bradley, as we expected, you know, very hard stage, maybe a bit, I would say maybe during the whole stage, maybe a bit disappointing because there was a big group going attacks from the start until there was a really big group going away. And as we expected, really strong riders in there. Just to name a few, Ben Healy, Leni Martinez, Ben O'Connor, Ava Philippe, who got dropped afterwards, Simon Yates, Mike Woods, Blackmore, name them, many others. I think at some

point they were 28 writers. Yeah. Four writers of EF education. That's, that was quite something. Yeah. And so, you know, if you look at what happened to UAE, and I want to ask your opinion about that a bit later, but UAE was setting a pace, in my opinion, a bit too fast. But it was clear that this group, or at least a remainder of this group, would stay away for the stage win.

And the fact that Ben Healy was in there and he's riding so strong. He's shown this already a few stages ago. He did an incredible performance. He was going for yellow. Yeah. And so I think you're right. I mean, he deserves to be in yellow. And so yeah, I mean, we had the situation that UAE starts to set the tempo. First of all, all the sprinters were dropped immediately and made a groupetto, actually. Something that I wouldn't have expected on a stage like this. You know, I thought it would be a longer fight to stay in the bunch, but all the sprinters around, I mean, the whole team of Little Trek was around Jonathan Bilal.

I don't know how far they were back in the end, 30, 35 minutes. Yeah, I think they were good 12 minutes inside the time delay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They had it under control, but UAE sets the pace. Surprisingly, Sivakov had a bad day today. He was an important guy that normally should have been there. It happens. It happens, as we know, when you're the team of the favorite, you have to do a lot of work. But the group initially got two minutes, three minutes. And I was thinking, why does UAE keep this so close? Vismar Liseberg had two riders in there, but none of those two were actually a threat for Bugacar or for UAE.

So why do you think they kept it so close? I'm not too sure, to be honest. We've questioned that on other days as well. I think it's just the nature of modern day cycling. I think it's hard when you've been so... I think it takes a lot of confidence and confidence as a director sportive to say look Let's get this let's let this gap go Let's let it go

But I do think in this day and age had they done that someone else would have took up the riding because there's always Something that someone else stands to lose And and somehow you you know you set the tone by from the start that we've seen the speeds from the start of these races And and there is an element of not knowing how much time you're going to lose. Plus two Visma riders were in there. Simon Yates, brilliant win by the way for Simon. I did say on the top of the show that that was my take of the day was the tactics from Visma. But at the same time on that, there's two races going on there. Simon's in the break. Simon having won the Giro, wins the stage today. Simon will be an important rider now from that with the confidence he's

gained in the next few weeks. But yeah, I don't think, I mean, Nils Pollet, he's done a great job this tour, hasn't he? He really has. And I think it's just, you know, you go from riding flat out every day. It's almost hard to readjust to come back to ride at a speed that allows the group to go. And if it goes too far also, I think there's a danger or a fear that we're going to have to pick the pace up later on in this stage. So it's almost better to let the brake drift out slowly. So I think, you know, going the days are gone when you guys would take the bottle and let the jersey go by an enormous mount. I don't think we're going to see that anymore in this modern day cycling. Yeah, I agree. I still think it would have been better. I completely, I'm on the same

point of view as you that if they would have let it go, they would have had Sudal, for example, for Remco would have come in. Let's say they let it go to 10 minutes, right? I mean, there's some guys in there that they say, oh, you know, we don't want to let them get back into the race, but actually none of them will be a threat for Pogacar. Because I think one thing that people forget, you know, like they look at the times and they say,

okay, well, this guy is seven minutes down and now he's gonna come back to two minutes. First of all, if they're seven minutes down, it's for a reason. It's because they're not in top shape unless they had a crash or something. So I think if they would have let it go further out, they would have had Soudal, they would have had maybe even Arkea for Voqolain, maybe even as we saw Decathlon for Felix Gall, even Picnic for Onley and Red Bull for Lipovits and Roglic. So I feel like they're not playing enough with these kinds of circumstances because

as we said already in other podcasts, the tour has this particular, it's so important that for now people think about people who can get in the top five, but soon after the first mountain stage, we're going to, we're going to see people who think about being in the top 10 who will come to the rescue sometimes of a team. Yeah. Yeah. And so, so yeah, I thought that they, I mean, listen to these guys, uh, Paul it and today, I mean, MVP for me, Tim Wellens and unbelievable what this guy has been doing today and other days. I mean, by himself, he kept this 28 rider group in check. Uh, but it just, I mean, it,

okay. Yes, tomorrow it's a rest day. And then the day after, it's an easier day, not a very easy day, an easier day. So that's maybe the way they think. But, but I, I'm still thinking that in the last, you need to think now about the last week for these teammates and any help you can get and any energy they can save, they should take it. And they're not, in my opinion, they were riding too fast. But anyways, you know, what to say about Ben Healey Bradley? I mean, this guy, it's, you know, I compare it with what's it called? The Duracell bunny, the Duracell bunny. You know, it's a guy, he just goes, goes, goes.

He, that was amazing today. He pulled for the last 30K by himself. He did, he did. And he only lost 30 seconds. He still finished third. Yeah, yeah. Do you know who he reminds me of? He reminds me, his style.

He reminds me of Fernando Escartin. Do you remember him? Yeah, there's another that I read today somewhere. There's another Spanish rider they compare him with. And you will, I'm pretty sure you will agree. I actually see him sometimes because his son raced with my son last year at least. It's Paco Mancebo. Mancebo, yeah.

Yeah, Paco Mancebo, you know, the head tilted a bit and just going, going, going. Yeah, very similar. But Ben Healy, I mean, what a ride, yeah. And to take yellow as well, you know, for that team. Fourth Irishman, you say the last Irishman was Stephen Roach 38 years ago. So that was when he won the tour, right? Yes, Sean Kelly before that in 83 had it for, Sean amazingly only had it for one day in his career. Wow. Sean Kelly before that in 83 had it for Sean amazingly only had it for one day in his career

Wow Sean Kelly and then of course the great Shay Elliott who was Jack on Couture's teammate. Yeah Yeah, so it's amazing day for Ireland, but yeah, I mean but what unfolded behind then with Visma When it started for me with Visma what I started questioning I didn't question the tactics they were deploying when Sepkos and Matteo Jorgensen were riding on the front and the gap opened, it started stretching it, but then Jonas let the wheel go from them and stayed with Tadej, so they were both off the front on their own, which I couldn't understand. I mean, if they're going to do something like that, then you need to be on the wheel, but obviously, and then what followed was Sepp dropping back, Sepp attacking again, Mateo dropping back, Mateo attacking again. But they were like half-hearted attacks.

And I did agree with George on that. I think they were just testing the waters today to see what kind of... But what it wasn't doing, it wasn't making that group any smaller. That group still stayed intact. Yeah, they made... I mean, one thing you can say, okay, you know, first of all, Simvakov was not there, so they had to use Valens and Soler earlier than expected. And Adam Yates was there with Narvaez. I think the plan was probably for Adam Yates and Narvaez to be there with Pogacar on the last climb. So they accomplished that, that they put Narvaez and Adam Yates in trouble and that Pogacar was by himself.

So the only thing they accomplished, which could be a valid reason that Pogacar didn't have a lead out on that last climb. Does it really matter? It didn't make one, did it? It doesn't. What we did see again there was when Tade goes, I mean, there was a moment, Jonas started to get dropped, looked around to see if anyone was around, and then Tade at that same time backed off. Yeah. Because I assume he knew the gap was very close to him losing the jersey and wanted to let that jersey go.

But other than that, I think that was a saving grace of Jonas was Tade slowing down. was very close to him losing the jersey and wanted to let that jersey go. But other than that, I think that was a saving grace of Jonas, was Tadej slowing down. And we saw his attack. When he goes, it's devastating. To me personally, Bradley, the observation I have of today, and it's just from seeing the images on TV, right, is how unbelievably easy he looks. His face is relaxed.

Even when he was then with Jonas, of course he was not, he was not gonna, but Jonas on the wheel, he looked easy. And, and, you know, these guys also see that because they're watching the images after, after the race, right? They're analyzing the images. So, you know, you can say, okay, well, we need to,

we need to make the race hard. But as we said already several times, if they make it hard, they make it hard for everybody. And they're actually doing the job that normally Bogacar's team would be doing. They're doing it for him. So for the moment, you know, and of course, and I understand, you know, it's, it's a total strategy over three weeks, right? So I do acknowledge that Visma obviously won something today. They got a nice stage win.

They got Simon Yates, who is obviously feeling again in the front of the race, which is important. Personally, I think that after De Giro, he was first of all, super tired and probably, you know, he's a quality rider. It's probably a question mark of how good he will be in the second part of the tour, right? Another thing I also liked to see today in favor of Visma is that Sepp Goos,

his pedaling style, the way he looked on the bike is the one of the good days of Sepp Kuss, his pedaling style, the way he looked on the bike is the one of the good days of Sepp Kuss. Yeah, he was great. That's for sure. It was good to see. It was just good to see him back at the head of the race. Yeah.

My question, however, is with Sepp Kuss, what can he do to put the hurt on Pogacar? What can anyone do? That's the problem. And I think that it's how they use their efforts combined. You know, they've got great individual riders now. We've got Simon Yates, obviously, he's back in form, Mateo and Sep. And it's, but Jonas, it's, it's, it's, I mean, ultimately this is all going to come that they can do what they like.

They can make it. All those guys can do really is get rid of Tadej's teammates and have Tadej on his own That's the best situation they can hope to be in and when that happens Ultimately, it's gonna have to fall on the shoulders of Jonas to try something at some point Because that's you know And and they have to hope at that time that it's been hard enough and they've Tadej's been isolated for long enough that he Has to do most of the work. And then Jonas, but we won't know that until we get to the bigger climbs like Hote Kam and things like that. That's where we know Jonas will shine. That's his domain.

And these smaller climbs, as we know Tadej is devastating on these smaller climbs, one big attack and it's over. And it's also what you clearly see is whenever Matteo Jorgensen, who is the only guy that of Visma that they needs to worry about except Jonas, whenever Matteo, Matteo is also first of all, he's not an explosive rider already. He's a diesel, you know, he's good. He can accelerate it. He's not, he doesn't have a lot of punch. But he doesn't even have to get out of the saddle to follow him. You know, he just looks and he just pushes twice and he's on the wheel. Yeah.

Yeah. And then, and then you could, okay, then they were at some point that's what they had, you know, they had Jürgensen, Pogacar on the wheel, then Jonas and a few others. But then what do you do? You kind of have to keep going because otherwise, okay, some Visma guys are going to get in, but some UAE guys are going to get in again also. So I think, you know, it's going to be more clear on the HOTACAM. You know, it's a hard stage and it's a hard climb.

So there we will see really who's the strongest, right? And education will, you know, that'll be their first day in yellow. They'll want to ride just to display the jersey. Yeah, it'll be their second day in yellow, yeah, because on stage 11, that's, you know, that's why I think if, for example, if Healy would have had a five or a 10 minute buffer. You'd imagine he would have expected to keep the jersey Hotecum, wouldn't you? Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Because with the gap he's got, I anticipate him losing it on Hotecum. On Hotecum he's done. He's done. There's no way he can keep it. Have you ridden Hotecum before? Myself, never.

No, because they did 94 when Miguel Prost could feel. Yeah, 94 they did it, I didn't do the tour and in 96 they also did it, but I had crashed already in the ravine and I had to abandon. And then Lance went up there, didn't he? Yes, yes, yes. That was in 2000 I think. 2000. Which is, you know, I'm actually going, I'm actually going to the

team in two days and I'm going to be at Hota Kamma for, I mean, for Belgian TV. I'm not going to be at the top, but I'm going to be there for that stage. So it's a hard climb. You're not signing riders for George's new team? No. Yeah, I think he'll need to wait for a few years to be able at that level. But yeah, it's going to be nice. It's the first time I'm going to be back at the tour since a very, very long time.

I mean, I'm going to be in with Belgian TV, but yeah, I'll go and say hi to some ex colleagues at the start. Also I don't know if you noticed until today, which is also something that I just found out today. So the first 10 stages, even for a difficult stage like today, Jonas has been riding every stage with a one-by, a single chainring in the front. Really? Really. That's also something special, right? Yeah. Of course, now I guess they have the 13th speed for SRAM. You can go from 10 to 46, so you can have it. But that's also something unheard of for a mountain stage. It eliminates the risk that you drop your chain and stuff like that.

But I still think the combination of two chainrings, you have much more possibilities, don't you think? Yeah, yeah. I prefer the double chainring. I'm not too sure the jump on the cassette from a 10 to a 46. I like a lot of a straight through block. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

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So ketone.com, enter demove20 at checkout. Let's get a bit closer to, I mean, we've talked about what happened during the stage, but the last 25 kilometers. So as we saw, you know, Visma and Lisebike they started with 25k to go they upped the pace with first of all with Benote and Sapkous and later on Jorgensen right obviously that was to try to as we said to isolate Pogacar and as we said you know the thing they accomplished is that Soelens was gone, of course, then Soler was gone, and Thaddei was with two guys. I don't really see the point. I mean, obviously, I don't see the point of what they were doing.

As I said on the move a little bit earlier, I think in Visma, and this is just my opinion, there's too many different inputs of information and they're trying to make the strategy too complicated. They have many directors. I mean, there's Grisha Niemann, who in my opinion is a bit the lead director, right, as we have seen in the Netflix series. He's the guy who was on the radio. We have Franz Maassen, who is also in the car, very experienced guy. I think personally a very good director because he's super calm.

But there's also other external advisors and influences. And I just don't think that that's working. I mean, you can get information, right? I mean, I think it's important in the team car that you get information because there's a lot of things that from the team car you don't see. I speak from my own experience. You know, you see the Peloton, you have to rely on TV,

and there's a lot of things you, you see, you see the peloton, you have to rely on TV and there's a lot of things you can't see, but the information you get from outsiders, in my opinion, needs to be from people who have been there, done that, know what it feels and know what to look for the signals. And in Visma, that's not the case. They have people who have never raised never put the number on their back, go off numbers, calculations, it's all fine and I think it's great to use that information but it's still the people in the race, the director and in most cases the rider itself who have to make their decisions.

What's your opinion on that Bradley? When you were on Sky. I agree. Yeah. I agree. And one thing I will always say is no matter how, no matter how much information you've got, external information with latest science and this

and people watching from a different angle, et cetera, you know, the race owners and the responsibility latest science and this and people watching from a different angle, etc. The race owners and the responsibility always falls with ultimately, first of all, you, the team leader, because you're out on the road feeling it in real time and you're the direct line of communication with the guys around you, your teammates. So you're saying, you know, he could be saying, look, don't attack here. This stupid save yourself. Just stay next to me until or, you know, Matteo, you're going you know, Mateo, you try something. And that communication between those guys in the

field. And second of all, the second responsibility falls with the DS, because that's the guy you have contact with each day. That's the guy you make a plan with in the bus before you go out on the road. That's the one, you know, you never go against the DS in some ways unless it's, you know, there's an explanation at the end of the day. But if the DS in the car says, look, guys, do this, I need you to do this now, this is my order. You don't go against team orders, you do that. So outside of that, if the DS is not confident enough or got enough knowledge and information

and enough confidence in his plan, having spoke about that with the riders, then there's too many people, too many cooks putting stuff in the pot. It gets confusing. It's not one for me. It's not one for me. And if I was Jonas out on the road, if they're getting told to do something, you know, attack or whatever, attack is a two, you start to lose faith in your DS and their tactical decision making. And I think that's a shame really. And maybe that is, again, I can't relate to it because it didn't happen in our day.

And we saw the issues that arose in Team Sky in 2012 when Froome went against team orders. And Sean Yates was the, you know, the disappointment in Sean Yates afterwards, not being able to comprehend what was happening. Obviously, we've discussed all that since then, but it is, you know, it's all you have is your, that's the whole reason for having a radio in. Yeah. So I find it hard that they, people like that. I mean, how many people during a Tour de France stage when Lance was doing his thing, would have a direct line to you during a stage

and say, Johan, I think you should do this. I mean, it goes against everything you're employed to do. It was two people and it was two people that I completely trusted who had been there, done that. But that was your personal choice, wasn't it? Yes, of course, of course, because I know, I mean, and it's also because, because nowadays, okay, technology has improved a lot.

They have all the information on the course, all the information on GPS data where every rider is. We had to rely on analog TV and sometimes in and out. But still, I personally think, but one thing that maybe could be an explanation for Visma, now thinking about it, is it also goes with the personality of the leader. If you have a leader, and I think in this way, Tadej and Jonas are two opposites. At least that's the way it seems to me from a distance. I don't know any of those two guys personally.

From what I see, Pogacar makes decisions sometimes on the go. And is a stronger personality. Jonas seems more like a guy who executes orders. And maybe he needs that. But then I think that sometimes, and again, you know, I'm just going off, for example, what I've seen in the Netflix series about, so when you see Tim Visma,

and also I know that's not reality, because it's pictured in a way to make the documentary great. But I've seen certain stages of Visma in the past, even the ones they won, that they were trying to do too many things in the same stage. Or let's win the stage or let's try to win the stage. Okay. Now let's go for a second with vote and let's do this.

And, you know, um, and I fear that that's, that's, they're going in the same direction again today, what we saw was in my opinion, they were a bit all over the place. Um, anyway, maybe we will have to, I would have to swallow my words in the same direction again. Today what we saw was in my opinion they were a bit all over the place. Anyway, maybe we will have to, I would have to swallow my words in the last week and they will be right, you know, who knows. We will, we will see. Anyway, then, you know, maybe let's talk a little bit about what happened on that last climb in the stage. I think it was clear that from that breakaway that Ben Healy was not going to win the stage. Because the moment he had four and a half minutes, he just went like all in for the yellow jersey. Logically, it was clear that Simon Yates was going to be the big candidate. He had been sitting back been sitting back passing now and then, but, um, and I don't know if

you saw his interview, uh, after the finish, you know, and that's why I think that when I said on the move, you know, this is a good Simon Yates, not a great Simon Yates. He had doubts on that last climb. Uh, he said, he said, I wanted to have a head start and took advantage of the corner because the moment we saw them coming into that last climb, he was already gone. Yeah, yeah.

And he did a great climb, you know? But I think it's also safe to say that Ben O'Connor is not the best Ben O'Connor we've seen and Arne Sman has been better already also and they were able to bridge up to him or come close to him. But anyways, you know, I mean, listen, great stage win. And it's what a, what a dream season or the last few months, you know, in, in, in, in one of the shows we did it in the off season, Bradley,

we talked about the trades and transfers of, of the season. And Lance and I said, both of us, the transfer of the season is Simon Yates from J.Cole to Visma. How true is that? One to zero. Jesus. I mean, one to zero. And now he will probably be the key rider, one of the key riders for Jonas. How many stage wins does he have now in stage wins? Four or five? Three in the Tour de France. Oh, three in the Tour.

Okay. Yeah, but obviously he's won the Vuelta, won the Giro. He's a... And it's funny how we talk about him at 32 years of age as being one of the older riders of the peloton. Now, one of the things that I have always... I mean, do you know these guys personally? They have a personal...

Yeah, I know them a little bit. I know them a little bit. Okay. So, how strange is this? Like the two biggest rivals, Visma UAE, they have two twin brothers who obviously I don't think have any secrets for each other as twin brothers. No. No. How does that work? How does that work? No. How does that work? How does that work?

Well, I think, yeah, I mean, one thing about the Yates brothers is they are extremely professional. Extremely professional. They always have been since a young age. And as close as they are as brothers, there's certainly no exchanging of tips. They will both want to win for their own riders on their own teams. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

And there will be no exchanging of altades doing it. They're not like that. They're just, when they're on the bike and in bike kit, they are the most consummate, loyal, professional cyclists and just great, incredible demeanor off the bike, incredibly professional in interviews and they're a credit to themselves and their parents and everyone around them. They really are.

Two amazing bike riders. Amazing bike riders. Phenomenal. Yeah. We have the other twins also, the Johannesons in the, Johanneson, Haaland Johanneson. Yeah. They're both on the same team. So that's a bit more easy and they're not in the same position. Another thing, I mean, and then we can, we can move on to our, to our event in trivia. Don't you think that I'm seeing a different Ale Pogacar than, than in the past years, more in control of himself. Maybe he's just going

to unleash everything he has on the first mountain stage and say, okay, enough of this shit. Here I am. Stop. Stop everything. You know, who knows? But until now, I see him riding a lot more calculated. What's your opinion? Yeah.

I mean, he's, it's funny when you watch Tally, because we know what he's capable of doing. And when we've seen what he did last year and the spring campaign this year, when he gets to the position to launch like he did today, and the spring campaign this year. When he gets to the position to launch like he did today, part of you is disappointing when he stops the attack and doesn't see it through because it's entertainment. Tadej is entertaining and it's a spectacle and it's entertaining because he can do what none of us ever want. What we all dreamed of wanting to be able to do. It was the beauty of Marco Pantani. You'd watch Pantani in the mountains and it was entertaining because we all dream when we go on our bike of being able to

do that on a climb. And Taddei can do it on any event, any stage in any part of cycling. So his reservation this year and him riding reserved and riding as a Tour de France leader should because this is the maturest version we've seen of Taddei over the years. He's no longer that sort of adolescent junior boy who couldn't, you know, and his demeanors changed off the bike. He's a bit more moody now at times and a little bit more getting irritated with certain things in a good way, not at the detriment to his bike riding ability. And even when Jonas put his hand out today and come across the line, Jonas was kind of, Tade's face, he didn't smile,

he just, you know, reciprocated the handshake, but it was cold, he was cold as ice. And I love this Tade. I think cycling needs this Tade. You know, it needs this. And he's growing in that. He's growing into that mold every year now. And it's great.

But he is riding, you know, more reserved. But I do think him riding reserved is from years now of experience riding. I mean, you know, this is, this is, this has come from experience. This is a different Tade to the one who won on Plage de Belfort when he won his first Tour de France. Oh, yeah, for sure. The maturity that he's grown into now. And I think he's...

I personally, it's a different Tadej than we saw last year. Last year, he was doing things that say, wow, I mean, OK, great. But man, dude, it's three weeks, you know? Yeah. And I think all this reservation and all this riding conservatively and and making the efforts at the right time will ball down again i think this and i don't know if i'm wishful thinking this but i think it's all boiling down to one big kill the tour de france off with one move one day yeah and. And that could be on Hotecam. He might not do it. He might just defend this one minute 30 lead over Jonas. But I don't think so. I think Jonas will tell me. Yeah. Yeah. And at the end of the day, you know, in Bogacar's case, it's Jonas who has

to attack now. So, you know, if he wants to use this strategically, it's, it's, it's actually very, very easy. You know, he just follows, let Jorgensen and let Tsep Guz and let Simon Yates make it hard. It's not going to be hard enough for today. And then Jonas normally has to attack. You follow Jonas and then if you can, you counter attack. That's it, you know? Yeah. One thing we've forgotten to talk about,

I don't wanna close off the show before we talk about Lennie Martinez. Lennie Martinez today in the breakaway, he was my choice. I picked him yesterday to win the stage for outcomes. Spencer picked Ben Healy. But I mean, he didn't win the stage, but he got the polka dot jersey. I think it's a really nice story. You know, he, Lenny Martinez, his dad is

Miguel Martinez. He was also a professional cyclist, well known to be Olympic champion mountain biking. And his granddad is Mariano Martinez, who actually won the final Pogadao jersey in the Tour de France. You remember the year? 1978. 78, 78. Yeah.

So I've read certain interviews and apparently his granddad, Mariano Martinez is getting problems with his, I mean, he must be in his late seventies or early eighties now. And you know, he's getting problems with his eyesight. He's slowly going blind and his wish is to see his grandson in the pocket of Jersey before he loses completely his eyesight. So that's something that he accomplished today.

So, yeah, chapeau to Lennie Martinez. That was great to see. We'll close off with our momentum trivia as every day. The question of yesterday's stage was, Sir Mark Cavendish became the winningest rider in the history of the tour. Why has stage 9's finishing town Chateau-Roux been dubbed Cavendish town? The answer was it's where he won his first Tour de France stage in 2008 and he also won there in 2011 and in 2021. What a time span from 2008 to 2021. So that was the correct answer. Today's question for stage 10 is the first mountain stage of this year's Tour de France was on Bastille day. Who was the last Frenchman to win a stage of the Tour de France on France's national

holiday? Send your best guess or if you know the correct answer, send it to VentumRacing.com and you can enter into the contest. We will draw a winner at the end of the tour for $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike you want to buy. If you don't want to wait until the end of the tour, Ventum is also offering a standing discount during the whole duration of this Tour de France. You get 10% off the whole site using the code DEMOVE10 and you get 20% off if you want to buy an NS1 road bike with the code NS120. Tomorrow

rest day, transfer. I haven't really checked the details if they do the transfer today or tomorrow. It's going to be half a rest day. And then we go into stage 11 for Toulouse. It's a loop. It's starting to lose, comes back to Toulouse. Not particularly a straightaway sprint stage. I think there's like three or four climbs at the end, one of which is a third category climb in the final.

It's very steep. It's like a kilometer at 12%. We've seen that already in the first few days. So could be breakaway, could even be at the day stage. Who knows? Well, anyways, thank you, Bradley. We'll be back. Not tomorrow, but the day after.

Thanks, speak soon. See you then. Bye.